John Lewis to open York store

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RETAIL giant John Lewis has announced plans to open a department store costing more than £15 million at the planned Monks Cross retail park.

A planning application has been submitted for a 100,000sq ft store which is expected to create about 300 new jobs at the out-of-town park, which developers Oakgate (Monks Cross) Ltd say will create 1,600 jobs in total.

The “flexible format” department store, which will be slightly smaller than the chain’s major department stores, will sell clothes, home and electronics goods.

John Lewis will join a new Marks & Spencer store as well as a community stadium for York City and York City Knights at the site, if the plans are approved.

Tim Harrison, head of format development for John Lewis, said: “These new smaller department stores allow us to open in places we’ve wanted to trade in for years.

“Our local customers have been travelling to our regional stores at Sheffield and Newcastle, and the new shop in Monks Cross will plug the gap in that regional offer. We have long wanted to have a presence in York”.

Richard France, managing director of Oakgate, said the chain’s development was a boost to the economy of the city.

He said: “By agreeing terms for the Monks Cross development, John Lewis has given York a massive vote of confidence in what is a challenging time for retail. Its participation in our proposed scheme will enable a new community stadium and facilities to be built for the people of York, while bringing the best retail the UK has to offer to add to the already immensely diverse shopping experience the City provides. This high quality development will bring a range of high quality local jobs across an extremely wide spectrum. Something that should be welcomed by all.”

But critics have said the retail park will “slowly destroy” the city centre by diverting business out of town. Peter Brown, director of York Civic Trust, said: “I find it completely hypocritical because only a few weeks ago John Lewis were reported in the national press as saying out-of-town retail developments would damage the high streets. On the one hand they are suggesting the current legislation will damage the high streets and on the other they are doing exactly the same themselves.”

Oakgate has admitted that the city centre’s turnover on items such as electrical equipment, furniture and clothing will fall by £38.9 million in 2016. Such spending currently totals £422 million in the city centre and will rise to £581.1 million by 2016, Oakgate believes.

However, the news has been welcomed by the York and North Yorkshire Chamber of Commerce and City of York Council.

A spokesman for City of York Council said the announcement was a “huge boost” to York”.

Coun James Alexander, council leader, said: “This announcement follows discussions with the retailer by the council and those involved in the Community Stadium scheme and brings us another step closer to delivering a Community Stadium for York; benefiting local residents and professional and amateur sports clubs across the city.”

A spokeswoman for the York and North Yorkshire Chamber of Commerce said: “We definitely support the John Lewis development and think it’s great news for the community.”

The scheme is set to go before York’s planning committee in January.

In the pipeline

THE announcement of John Lewis’ plans to move to York comes after the owners of the Coppergate Centre revealed they hope to bring top-name stores to the city centre.

The Press reported last week how LaSalle Investment Management and its development manager, Centros, are looking at creating a £100 million to £150 million shopping scheme on the Castle Piccadilly site, possibly including an enlarged Fenwick store and other major national retailers.

Meanwhile, Dartstone Properties have called for City of York Council to give the go-ahead, in principle, for a new stadium for York City and York City Knights as part of a 34-acre sporting village next to the Outer Ring Road at Huntington.

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Store plan vote of confidence

ONE of the biggest names on the High Street, John Lewis, has confirmed it hopes to come to York. If all goes according to plan, it will open a new store at Monks Cross, next to Marks & Spencer and beside the city’s new stadium.

The news is a huge vote of confidence in York’s economy, although some retailers worry about the impact a John Lewis store at Monks Cross would have on the city centre.

The retail giant says it will invest more than £15 million in its new store, and create about 300 new jobs.

Such investment is welcome: as is the fact that such a top name is keen to come here. Tim Harrison, a spokesman for the chain, said local customers had been travelling to Sheffield and Newcastle. If the Monks Cross store goes ahead, more shoppers would come to York.

Nevertheless, despite the benefits to this city, we recognise the concerns of city-centre retailers. They fear the growth of Monks Cross, with its free parking and easy access, puts them at a disadvantage, and that their livelihoods could be at risk.

We believe the city centre, with its historic buildings, medieval streets and boutique shops, will always be a draw, to locals and visitors.

But the concerns of traders are real. That is why the city council must continue to do everything in its power – including look at the thorny issue of city centre parking – to ensure shops in the centre are not at a disadvantage.

Developing city-centre shopping must also remain a priority, which is why plans for the Castle Piccadilly area are so important. As we reported last week, those plans are still very much alive. We look forward to progress there.

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10:42am Wed 2 Nov 11

FLOWEROFSCOTLAND says...

Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.
Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone. FLOWEROFSCOTLAND
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10:54am Wed 2 Nov 11

Dobkin says...

FLOWEROFSCOTLAND wrote:
Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.
That's brilliant, you'll really upset lots of people with that one. Well done.
[quote][p][bold]FLOWEROFSCOTLAND[/bold] wrote: Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.[/p][/quote]That's brilliant, you'll really upset lots of people with that one. Well done. Dobkin
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10:54am Wed 2 Nov 11

duffy says...

Good news for the city and the community stadium. Another huge step closer to realisation. Some of the numpties who post on here will be crying in the readybrek this morning.
As the song goes "ain't no stopping us now"
Good news for the city and the community stadium. Another huge step closer to realisation. Some of the numpties who post on here will be crying in the readybrek this morning. As the song goes "ain't no stopping us now" duffy
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10:56am Wed 2 Nov 11

redbluelion says...

your just an idiot from scotland by sounds of it..york needs sport..and a new stadium...
your just an idiot from scotland by sounds of it..york needs sport..and a new stadium... redbluelion
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10:58am Wed 2 Nov 11

duffy says...

Dobkin wrote:
FLOWEROFSCOTLAND wrote:
Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.
That's brilliant, you'll really upset lots of people with that one. Well done.
I know it does make you laugh. You would think he could have least have tried to be a little more subtle and put some thought into it. Just leaves the post as looking like a joke.
[quote][p][bold]Dobkin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FLOWEROFSCOTLAND[/bold] wrote: Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.[/p][/quote]That's brilliant, you'll really upset lots of people with that one. Well done.[/p][/quote]I know it does make you laugh. You would think he could have least have tried to be a little more subtle and put some thought into it. Just leaves the post as looking like a joke. duffy
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11:06am Wed 2 Nov 11

oldgoat says...

So that'll be more empty shops in York....
So that'll be more empty shops in York.... oldgoat
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11:12am Wed 2 Nov 11

ISeeEverything says...

I'd be very surprised if many people from York make a special journey to shop at John Lewis in Sheffield. For one thing, Sheffield City Council have made it almost impossible to drive to.
I'd be very surprised if many people from York make a special journey to shop at John Lewis in Sheffield. For one thing, Sheffield City Council have made it almost impossible to drive to. ISeeEverything
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11:24am Wed 2 Nov 11

Anonymoose says...

Great news that JL has put it's support behind the Community Stadium vision by committing to opening a Store.
Great news that JL has put it's support behind the Community Stadium vision by committing to opening a Store. Anonymoose
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11:25am Wed 2 Nov 11

MrsHoney says...

Are there really that many people that love John Lewis so much they'll stop shopping in the city centre?! Can't say it's my cup of tea at all, I hate department stores. Plus, isn't it supposed to be tourists that are the life blood of York? They mostly go to the city centre, I can't see them thinking 'I've come all this way but I won't bother because there's a John Lewis at Monk's Cross!!!' Woohoo!!!
Are there really that many people that love John Lewis so much they'll stop shopping in the city centre?! Can't say it's my cup of tea at all, I hate department stores. Plus, isn't it supposed to be tourists that are the life blood of York? They mostly go to the city centre, I can't see them thinking 'I've come all this way but I won't bother because there's a John Lewis at Monk's Cross!!!' Woohoo!!! MrsHoney
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11:37am Wed 2 Nov 11

Micklegate says...

'Great news that JL has put it's support behind the Community Stadium'

......yes indeed, I am sure they are looking to open n York to be seen to be supporting the stadium, millions in hoped for sales and profits will be a secondary consideration.
'Great news that JL has put it's support behind the Community Stadium' ......yes indeed, I am sure they are looking to open n York to be seen to be supporting the stadium, millions in hoped for sales and profits will be a secondary consideration. Micklegate
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12:07pm Wed 2 Nov 11

roskoboskovic says...

more good news.bring it on,the sooner the better.
more good news.bring it on,the sooner the better. roskoboskovic
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12:23pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Sawday2 says...

Brilliant news. So eco friendly as well as I'll only have to travel to Monks Cross not to Cheadle. Like Waitrose, JL is a haven for shopping; calm atmosphere, fantastic knowledgeable staff, great prodcuts and no chavvy customers. I never travel to York to shop anyway so the city centre won't be losing any of my non-existant custom (though if it reduce parking charges I might go in more often!).

Bring it on!!
Brilliant news. So eco friendly as well as I'll only have to travel to Monks Cross not to Cheadle. Like Waitrose, JL is a haven for shopping; calm atmosphere, fantastic knowledgeable staff, great prodcuts and no chavvy customers. I never travel to York to shop anyway so the city centre won't be losing any of my non-existant custom (though if it reduce parking charges I might go in more often!). Bring it on!! Sawday2
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12:33pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

FLOWEROFSCOTLAND wrote:
Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.
Congratulations, the truth will out as they say.
Looking at some recent JL Christmas promotional literature I was struck by the relatively high prices JL quote compared with the image they like to create.
As for electrical and household items, prices on the Web can undercut many local retailers by a large margin. I can see where perhaps fashion could benefit ;but looking at their food outlet on Foss Island Road I find them over rated and expensive!
[quote][p][bold]FLOWEROFSCOTLAND[/bold] wrote: Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.[/p][/quote]Congratulations, the truth will out as they say. Looking at some recent JL Christmas promotional literature I was struck by the relatively high prices JL quote compared with the image they like to create. As for electrical and household items, prices on the Web can undercut many local retailers by a large margin. I can see where perhaps fashion could benefit ;but looking at their food outlet on Foss Island Road I find them over rated and expensive! Older Sometimes Wiser
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1:15pm Wed 2 Nov 11

duffy says...

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
FLOWEROFSCOTLAND wrote:
Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.
Congratulations, the truth will out as they say.
Looking at some recent JL Christmas promotional literature I was struck by the relatively high prices JL quote compared with the image they like to create.
As for electrical and household items, prices on the Web can undercut many local retailers by a large margin. I can see where perhaps fashion could benefit ;but looking at their food outlet on Foss Island Road I find them over rated and expensive!
I live in Glasgow, we have I think 5 large out of town shopping centres. Say hello to 2011 York. Why should the residents of York be denied these facilities. Marks and Spencer's and John Lewis will be absolutely mobbed by the residents of York as they are in every other city. People really need to get over this whole out of town thing and effecting the city centre. Every large city now have them and they all still prosper by offering a range of other options. Of course some city centre businesses don't want them it's competition and all they care about anyway is the tourists,
[quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FLOWEROFSCOTLAND[/bold] wrote: Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.[/p][/quote]Congratulations, the truth will out as they say. Looking at some recent JL Christmas promotional literature I was struck by the relatively high prices JL quote compared with the image they like to create. As for electrical and household items, prices on the Web can undercut many local retailers by a large margin. I can see where perhaps fashion could benefit ;but looking at their food outlet on Foss Island Road I find them over rated and expensive![/p][/quote]I live in Glasgow, we have I think 5 large out of town shopping centres. Say hello to 2011 York. Why should the residents of York be denied these facilities. Marks and Spencer's and John Lewis will be absolutely mobbed by the residents of York as they are in every other city. People really need to get over this whole out of town thing and effecting the city centre. Every large city now have them and they all still prosper by offering a range of other options. Of course some city centre businesses don't want them it's competition and all they care about anyway is the tourists, duffy
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1:29pm Wed 2 Nov 11

AngryandFrustrated says...

duffy wrote:
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
FLOWEROFSCOTLAND wrote: Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.
Congratulations, the truth will out as they say. Looking at some recent JL Christmas promotional literature I was struck by the relatively high prices JL quote compared with the image they like to create. As for electrical and household items, prices on the Web can undercut many local retailers by a large margin. I can see where perhaps fashion could benefit ;but looking at their food outlet on Foss Island Road I find them over rated and expensive!
I live in Glasgow, we have I think 5 large out of town shopping centres. Say hello to 2011 York. Why should the residents of York be denied these facilities. Marks and Spencer's and John Lewis will be absolutely mobbed by the residents of York as they are in every other city. People really need to get over this whole out of town thing and effecting the city centre. Every large city now have them and they all still prosper by offering a range of other options. Of course some city centre businesses don't want them it's competition and all they care about anyway is the tourists,
Well if you live in Glasgow, you may want to update yourself as to the up to date shopping habits of the residents of York, who live several hundreds of miles away, and indeed the shops of York. If you knew anything about this city you would realise that there are already 2 Marks and Spencers at Monks Cross as well as 2 in the city centre and contrary to your comments, none of them are "mobbed" by the residents of York. In fact, the stores in the city centre appear to be significantly busier than the ones at Monks Cross so it blows a bit of a hole in your assumptions.

I must also confess that I do not feel "denied" by the lack of a John Lewis store in York - the combination of Browns and Fenwicks (both of which are privately owned BTW) do more than enough to satisfy my department store fetish.

You wouldn't perchance have anything to do with the developers that appear to want to push this thru' at all costs by "persuading" us that our lives are not complete without yet another store from yet another chain?
[quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FLOWEROFSCOTLAND[/bold] wrote: Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.[/p][/quote]Congratulations, the truth will out as they say. Looking at some recent JL Christmas promotional literature I was struck by the relatively high prices JL quote compared with the image they like to create. As for electrical and household items, prices on the Web can undercut many local retailers by a large margin. I can see where perhaps fashion could benefit ;but looking at their food outlet on Foss Island Road I find them over rated and expensive![/p][/quote]I live in Glasgow, we have I think 5 large out of town shopping centres. Say hello to 2011 York. Why should the residents of York be denied these facilities. Marks and Spencer's and John Lewis will be absolutely mobbed by the residents of York as they are in every other city. People really need to get over this whole out of town thing and effecting the city centre. Every large city now have them and they all still prosper by offering a range of other options. Of course some city centre businesses don't want them it's competition and all they care about anyway is the tourists,[/p][/quote]Well if you live in Glasgow, you may want to update yourself as to the up to date shopping habits of the residents of York, who live several hundreds of miles away, and indeed the shops of York. If you knew anything about this city you would realise that there are already 2 Marks and Spencers at Monks Cross as well as 2 in the city centre and contrary to your comments, none of them are "mobbed" by the residents of York. In fact, the stores in the city centre appear to be significantly busier than the ones at Monks Cross so it blows a bit of a hole in your assumptions. I must also confess that I do not feel "denied" by the lack of a John Lewis store in York - the combination of Browns and Fenwicks (both of which are privately owned BTW) do more than enough to satisfy my department store fetish. You wouldn't perchance have anything to do with the developers that appear to want to push this thru' at all costs by "persuading" us that our lives are not complete without yet another store from yet another chain? AngryandFrustrated
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1:35pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Sawday2 says...

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
FLOWEROFSCOTLAND wrote:
Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.
Congratulations, the truth will out as they say.
Looking at some recent JL Christmas promotional literature I was struck by the relatively high prices JL quote compared with the image they like to create.
As for electrical and household items, prices on the Web can undercut many local retailers by a large margin. I can see where perhaps fashion could benefit ;but looking at their food outlet on Foss Island Road I find them over rated and expensive!
I think the term you are looking for is "Highly rated" - and not without good reason.

"Expensive"? Well that's relative and no one is forced to shop there.
[quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FLOWEROFSCOTLAND[/bold] wrote: Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.[/p][/quote]Congratulations, the truth will out as they say. Looking at some recent JL Christmas promotional literature I was struck by the relatively high prices JL quote compared with the image they like to create. As for electrical and household items, prices on the Web can undercut many local retailers by a large margin. I can see where perhaps fashion could benefit ;but looking at their food outlet on Foss Island Road I find them over rated and expensive![/p][/quote]I think the term you are looking for is "Highly rated" - and not without good reason. "Expensive"? Well that's relative and no one is forced to shop there. Sawday2
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1:50pm Wed 2 Nov 11

duffy says...

AngryandFrustrated wrote:
duffy wrote:
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
FLOWEROFSCOTLAND wrote: Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.
Congratulations, the truth will out as they say. Looking at some recent JL Christmas promotional literature I was struck by the relatively high prices JL quote compared with the image they like to create. As for electrical and household items, prices on the Web can undercut many local retailers by a large margin. I can see where perhaps fashion could benefit ;but looking at their food outlet on Foss Island Road I find them over rated and expensive!
I live in Glasgow, we have I think 5 large out of town shopping centres. Say hello to 2011 York. Why should the residents of York be denied these facilities. Marks and Spencer's and John Lewis will be absolutely mobbed by the residents of York as they are in every other city. People really need to get over this whole out of town thing and effecting the city centre. Every large city now have them and they all still prosper by offering a range of other options. Of course some city centre businesses don't want them it's competition and all they care about anyway is the tourists,
Well if you live in Glasgow, you may want to update yourself as to the up to date shopping habits of the residents of York, who live several hundreds of miles away, and indeed the shops of York. If you knew anything about this city you would realise that there are already 2 Marks and Spencers at Monks Cross as well as 2 in the city centre and contrary to your comments, none of them are "mobbed" by the residents of York. In fact, the stores in the city centre appear to be significantly busier than the ones at Monks Cross so it blows a bit of a hole in your assumptions. I must also confess that I do not feel "denied" by the lack of a John Lewis store in York - the combination of Browns and Fenwicks (both of which are privately owned BTW) do more than enough to satisfy my department store fetish. You wouldn't perchance have anything to do with the developers that appear to want to push this thru' at all costs by "persuading" us that our lives are not complete without yet another store from yet another chain?
My parents live in York and I've been using the city for 50 years.People in York shop like people in Glasgow, Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield, it's the same the whole country over apart for the fact York has been taken over by the bloody tourists. You do realize when you say the shops in York are busier than the out of town developments already there that you just blew the whole "it will kill the city center argument " out of the water. If the Marks in the centre get more trade why the worry about the out of town one killing the city centre ? By the way I wish I was one of the developers, I would be on far more money that working in the field of learning difficulties.
[quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FLOWEROFSCOTLAND[/bold] wrote: Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.[/p][/quote]Congratulations, the truth will out as they say. Looking at some recent JL Christmas promotional literature I was struck by the relatively high prices JL quote compared with the image they like to create. As for electrical and household items, prices on the Web can undercut many local retailers by a large margin. I can see where perhaps fashion could benefit ;but looking at their food outlet on Foss Island Road I find them over rated and expensive![/p][/quote]I live in Glasgow, we have I think 5 large out of town shopping centres. Say hello to 2011 York. Why should the residents of York be denied these facilities. Marks and Spencer's and John Lewis will be absolutely mobbed by the residents of York as they are in every other city. People really need to get over this whole out of town thing and effecting the city centre. Every large city now have them and they all still prosper by offering a range of other options. Of course some city centre businesses don't want them it's competition and all they care about anyway is the tourists,[/p][/quote]Well if you live in Glasgow, you may want to update yourself as to the up to date shopping habits of the residents of York, who live several hundreds of miles away, and indeed the shops of York. If you knew anything about this city you would realise that there are already 2 Marks and Spencers at Monks Cross as well as 2 in the city centre and contrary to your comments, none of them are "mobbed" by the residents of York. In fact, the stores in the city centre appear to be significantly busier than the ones at Monks Cross so it blows a bit of a hole in your assumptions. I must also confess that I do not feel "denied" by the lack of a John Lewis store in York - the combination of Browns and Fenwicks (both of which are privately owned BTW) do more than enough to satisfy my department store fetish. You wouldn't perchance have anything to do with the developers that appear to want to push this thru' at all costs by "persuading" us that our lives are not complete without yet another store from yet another chain?[/p][/quote]My parents live in York and I've been using the city for 50 years.People in York shop like people in Glasgow, Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield, it's the same the whole country over apart for the fact York has been taken over by the bloody tourists. You do realize when you say the shops in York are busier than the out of town developments already there that you just blew the whole "it will kill the city center argument " out of the water. If the Marks in the centre get more trade why the worry about the out of town one killing the city centre ? By the way I wish I was one of the developers, I would be on far more money that working in the field of learning difficulties. duffy
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1:51pm Wed 2 Nov 11

marvell says...

Just watched that intellectual vacuum James Alexander trying to claim credit on Look North for something that was started well before he took office.
He didn't seem to have answer when the sharp reported asked about the impact on central York shops. When asked why shoppers wouldn't just drive to Monks Cross, shop and then drive back home again he said "why wouldn't people want to come into York"
Simple James (about right!) - if they can get everything they want in MC then why come into the city if they don't need to?
Just watched that intellectual vacuum James Alexander trying to claim credit on Look North for something that was started well before he took office. He didn't seem to have answer when the sharp reported asked about the impact on central York shops. When asked why shoppers wouldn't just drive to Monks Cross, shop and then drive back home again he said "why wouldn't people want to come into York" Simple James (about right!) - if they can get everything they want in MC then why come into the city if they don't need to? marvell
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2:00pm Wed 2 Nov 11

rogue84 says...

AngryandFrustrated..
..you've obviously not been to the Monks Cross M&S stores for a while, they are both as busy as ever, especially the food & drink store.
I don't understand the argument as regards the city centre etc? Surely if there's already M&S stores in town, people will continue to go to those rather than go out to Monks Cross....so why is there going to be such a huge change in income for the city centre?? nobody goes into town JUST to shop at M&S, therefore there'll be hardly any difference.
when was it that the Metro Centre was built? 1980s?? can't see Newcastle city centre shutting down due to that creation. White Rose in Leeds....still crazy going shopping in the city centre there.
If people don't like football/rugby, just say, don't pretend that it's to do with revenue for other faceless mult-national corporations that take up most of the space in York town centre.
AngryandFrustrated.. ..you've obviously not been to the Monks Cross M&S stores for a while, they are both as busy as ever, especially the food & drink store. I don't understand the argument as regards the city centre etc? Surely if there's already M&S stores in town, people will continue to go to those rather than go out to Monks Cross....so why is there going to be such a huge change in income for the city centre?? nobody goes into town JUST to shop at M&S, therefore there'll be hardly any difference. when was it that the Metro Centre was built? 1980s?? can't see Newcastle city centre shutting down due to that creation. White Rose in Leeds....still crazy going shopping in the city centre there. If people don't like football/rugby, just say, don't pretend that it's to do with revenue for other faceless mult-national corporations that take up most of the space in York town centre. rogue84
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2:05pm Wed 2 Nov 11

duffy says...

rogue84 wrote:
AngryandFrustrated.. ..you've obviously not been to the Monks Cross M&S stores for a while, they are both as busy as ever, especially the food & drink store. I don't understand the argument as regards the city centre etc? Surely if there's already M&S stores in town, people will continue to go to those rather than go out to Monks Cross....so why is there going to be such a huge change in income for the city centre?? nobody goes into town JUST to shop at M&S, therefore there'll be hardly any difference. when was it that the Metro Centre was built? 1980s?? can't see Newcastle city centre shutting down due to that creation. White Rose in Leeds....still crazy going shopping in the city centre there. If people don't like football/rugby, just say, don't pretend that it's to do with revenue for other faceless mult-national corporations that take up most of the space in York town centre.
His whole argument is completely flawed and he was its own downfall with his own statement. Betty's tearoom puts in a formal complaint about it. Who the hell is going to stop going to Betty's to go to Monks Cross ? York is probably busier now than I remember it in the 70s and we now have Monks Cross, Clifton moor among others. The whole thing is a nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]rogue84[/bold] wrote: AngryandFrustrated.. ..you've obviously not been to the Monks Cross M&S stores for a while, they are both as busy as ever, especially the food & drink store. I don't understand the argument as regards the city centre etc? Surely if there's already M&S stores in town, people will continue to go to those rather than go out to Monks Cross....so why is there going to be such a huge change in income for the city centre?? nobody goes into town JUST to shop at M&S, therefore there'll be hardly any difference. when was it that the Metro Centre was built? 1980s?? can't see Newcastle city centre shutting down due to that creation. White Rose in Leeds....still crazy going shopping in the city centre there. If people don't like football/rugby, just say, don't pretend that it's to do with revenue for other faceless mult-national corporations that take up most of the space in York town centre.[/p][/quote]His whole argument is completely flawed and he was its own downfall with his own statement. Betty's tearoom puts in a formal complaint about it. Who the hell is going to stop going to Betty's to go to Monks Cross ? York is probably busier now than I remember it in the 70s and we now have Monks Cross, Clifton moor among others. The whole thing is a nonsense. duffy
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2:14pm Wed 2 Nov 11

was york now rotherham says...

ISeeEverything wrote:
I'd be very surprised if many people from York make a special journey to shop at John Lewis in Sheffield. For one thing, Sheffield City Council have made it almost impossible to drive to.
if out park up at meadowhall and jump the supertram like most people do if you car'nt work out the traffic signs ok they have bus gates all over the place but the trams are more direct
[quote][p][bold]ISeeEverything[/bold] wrote: I'd be very surprised if many people from York make a special journey to shop at John Lewis in Sheffield. For one thing, Sheffield City Council have made it almost impossible to drive to.[/p][/quote]if out park up at meadowhall and jump the supertram like most people do if you car'nt work out the traffic signs ok they have bus gates all over the place but the trams are more direct was york now rotherham
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2:51pm Wed 2 Nov 11

PKH says...

The Press are saying 1,600 jobs however the BBC website says JL will create 300 jobs, which I think is a much more realistic figure.
The Press are saying 1,600 jobs however the BBC website says JL will create 300 jobs, which I think is a much more realistic figure. PKH
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2:54pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Tug job says...

Fantastic news and good to see another major retailer get behind this vital development. Many people seem to overlooked individual choice, which is an important part of market economics. Just because I will shop at John Lewis on, say, a Thursday doesn't mean I won't shop in the City centre on other days of the week - it all depends on what I want to buy. The risk to the out of town stores is that they are unlikely to pick up the impulse buyer; the upside is that they rely on the brand loyalty of people who coose to shop there. As the saying goes, "you pays your money and takes your choice". Of course, one could also make a case that increasing the shopping diversity available within and around the city could actually increase tourism to the area. IT's not just about shopping as a single issue, it's more to do with the whole leisure experie.nce
Fantastic news and good to see another major retailer get behind this vital development. Many people seem to overlooked individual choice, which is an important part of market economics. Just because I will shop at John Lewis on, say, a Thursday doesn't mean I won't shop in the City centre on other days of the week - it all depends on what I want to buy. The risk to the out of town stores is that they are unlikely to pick up the impulse buyer; the upside is that they rely on the brand loyalty of people who coose to shop there. As the saying goes, "you pays your money and takes your choice". Of course, one could also make a case that increasing the shopping diversity available within and around the city could actually increase tourism to the area. IT's not just about shopping as a single issue, it's more to do with the whole leisure experie.nce Tug job
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3:07pm Wed 2 Nov 11

BigDog-LittleDog says...

was york now rotherham wrote:
ISeeEverything wrote:
I'd be very surprised if many people from York make a special journey to shop at John Lewis in Sheffield. For one thing, Sheffield City Council have made it almost impossible to drive to.
if out park up at meadowhall and jump the supertram like most people do if you car'nt work out the traffic signs ok they have bus gates all over the place but the trams are more direct
Pardon?
[quote][p][bold]was york now rotherham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ISeeEverything[/bold] wrote: I'd be very surprised if many people from York make a special journey to shop at John Lewis in Sheffield. For one thing, Sheffield City Council have made it almost impossible to drive to.[/p][/quote]if out park up at meadowhall and jump the supertram like most people do if you car'nt work out the traffic signs ok they have bus gates all over the place but the trams are more direct[/p][/quote]Pardon? BigDog-LittleDog
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3:37pm Wed 2 Nov 11

villgeidiot says...

Some of us live in villages just outside York and can't afford to park in York every time we want to go shopping for a couple of hours. also the traffic congestion is such that I have to allow 45 minutes for a20 minute journey. monks cross is particularly useful and John Lewis will make it even more so. the attraction of the city centre is the independent retailers who will never be at Monks Cross. most of my Christmas shopping will be done down Gillygate in Shine, Snow Home and the toy shop. food and daily necessities will be bought at Monks Cross.
Some of us live in villages just outside York and can't afford to park in York every time we want to go shopping for a couple of hours. also the traffic congestion is such that I have to allow 45 minutes for a20 minute journey. monks cross is particularly useful and John Lewis will make it even more so. the attraction of the city centre is the independent retailers who will never be at Monks Cross. most of my Christmas shopping will be done down Gillygate in Shine, Snow Home and the toy shop. food and daily necessities will be bought at Monks Cross. villgeidiot
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4:36pm Wed 2 Nov 11

pedalling paul says...

Sawday2 said ".....though if it reduce parking charges I might go in more often!"

You've obviously not cottoned onto the fact that car parking charges are being used as a mechanism to discourage unnecccessary car travel into York, and instead encourage greater use of P&R.
Sawday2 said ".....though if it reduce parking charges I might go in more often!" You've obviously not cottoned onto the fact that car parking charges are being used as a mechanism to discourage unnecccessary car travel into York, and instead encourage greater use of P&R. pedalling paul
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5:59pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Sillybillies says...

You've obviously not cottoned onto the fact that car parking charges are being used as a mechanism to discourage unnecccessary car travel into York, and instead encourage greater use of P&R.

One part of that's working a treat, hence a dying city centre with so many empty shops and left to the tourists. Meanwhile we who live here spend our money at Clifton Moor, Monk's Cross and the Designer Centre, avoiding the city centre like the plague.

Hence -
Sawday2 said ".....though if it reduced parking charges I might go in more often!"
[quote]You've obviously not cottoned onto the fact that car parking charges are being used as a mechanism to discourage unnecccessary car travel into York, and instead encourage greater use of P&R.[/quote] One part of that's working a treat, hence a dying city centre with so many empty shops and left to the tourists. Meanwhile we who live here spend our money at Clifton Moor, Monk's Cross and the Designer Centre, avoiding the city centre like the plague. Hence - [quote] Sawday2 said ".....though if it reduced parking charges I might go in more often!"[/quote] Sillybillies
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6:04pm Wed 2 Nov 11

fastypants says...

Don't know who it was that mentioned about already 2 stores of m and s in the city centre,my understanding is when the monks cross one opens,coppergate will be closed.Hopefully a primarni will take up that lease.
Don't know who it was that mentioned about already 2 stores of m and s in the city centre,my understanding is when the monks cross one opens,coppergate will be closed.Hopefully a primarni will take up that lease. fastypants
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6:05pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Woody Mellor says...

FLOWEROFSCOTLAND wrote:
Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.
Excellent post! No, I'm not being sarcastic either. York IS virtually a sport free zone. Lets keep it that way.
[quote][p][bold]FLOWEROFSCOTLAND[/bold] wrote: Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.[/p][/quote]Excellent post! No, I'm not being sarcastic either. York IS virtually a sport free zone. Lets keep it that way. Woody Mellor
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6:11pm Wed 2 Nov 11

fastypants says...

The only sport i think we need a stadium for. is "slay a chav" what fun that would be .
The only sport i think we need a stadium for. is "slay a chav" what fun that would be . fastypants
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6:25pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Johanne says...

A John Lewis and new M&S will devastate the retail sector in York City Centre. It is a huge error and we will all regret it if we lose vital shops such as Browns and Fenwicks. Johanne Spittle.
A John Lewis and new M&S will devastate the retail sector in York City Centre. It is a huge error and we will all regret it if we lose vital shops such as Browns and Fenwicks. Johanne Spittle. Johanne
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6:39pm Wed 2 Nov 11

yorkonafork says...

PKH wrote:
The Press are saying 1,600 jobs however the BBC website says JL will create 300 jobs, which I think is a much more realistic figure.
To be fair it does quote the separate figures in the first bit. Unless they added it after you said.
[quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: The Press are saying 1,600 jobs however the BBC website says JL will create 300 jobs, which I think is a much more realistic figure.[/p][/quote]To be fair it does quote the separate figures in the first bit. Unless they added it after you said. yorkonafork
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7:03pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Ageing Hippy says...

FLOWEROFSCOTLAND wrote:
Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.
LOL at a scot commenting about football and rugby, its a bit like Dawn French commenting on Slim Fast Shakes!
[quote][p][bold]FLOWEROFSCOTLAND[/bold] wrote: Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.[/p][/quote]LOL at a scot commenting about football and rugby, its a bit like Dawn French commenting on Slim Fast Shakes! Ageing Hippy
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7:56pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Even AndyD says...

Great news - good for everyone. Simple as that.
Great news - good for everyone. Simple as that. Even AndyD
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8:16pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Johanne says...

Even AndyD wrote:
Great news - good for everyone. Simple as that.
It will be anything but good news for anyone if businesses close down in York as a result.
[quote][p][bold]Even AndyD[/bold] wrote: Great news - good for everyone. Simple as that.[/p][/quote]It will be anything but good news for anyone if businesses close down in York as a result. Johanne
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8:25pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Even AndyD says...

Johanne wrote:
Even AndyD wrote:
Great news - good for everyone. Simple as that.
It will be anything but good news for anyone if businesses close down in York as a result.
But why should that happen? Why should two more shops ruin something that three whole retail parks couldn't?
There are over 300 out of town shops, why should two more make a difference? In fact, I turn the question round to you - why should we not have what residents want, just because four or five local retailers are worried about their profit line? York Chamber of Commerce is for the changes, its just the band of brothers that is Mulberry Hall, Browns, Barnetts and Betty's that are up in arms. Isn't that what competition is supposed to be about? When did people serve the needs of business rather than the other way round????
[quote][p][bold]Johanne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Even AndyD[/bold] wrote: Great news - good for everyone. Simple as that.[/p][/quote]It will be anything but good news for anyone if businesses close down in York as a result.[/p][/quote]But why should that happen? Why should two more shops ruin something that three whole retail parks couldn't? There are over 300 out of town shops, why should two more make a difference? In fact, I turn the question round to you - why should we not have what residents want, just because four or five local retailers are worried about their profit line? York Chamber of Commerce is for the changes, its just the band of brothers that is Mulberry Hall, Browns, Barnetts and Betty's that are up in arms. Isn't that what competition is supposed to be about? When did people serve the needs of business rather than the other way round???? Even AndyD
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8:27pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Even AndyD says...

Have you a sister called, Sarah btw? :-)
Have you a sister called, Sarah btw? :-) Even AndyD
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8:46pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Even AndyD says...

AngryandFrustrated wrote:
duffy wrote:
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
FLOWEROFSCOTLAND wrote: Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.
Congratulations, the truth will out as they say. Looking at some recent JL Christmas promotional literature I was struck by the relatively high prices JL quote compared with the image they like to create. As for electrical and household items, prices on the Web can undercut many local retailers by a large margin. I can see where perhaps fashion could benefit ;but looking at their food outlet on Foss Island Road I find them over rated and expensive!
I live in Glasgow, we have I think 5 large out of town shopping centres. Say hello to 2011 York. Why should the residents of York be denied these facilities. Marks and Spencer's and John Lewis will be absolutely mobbed by the residents of York as they are in every other city. People really need to get over this whole out of town thing and effecting the city centre. Every large city now have them and they all still prosper by offering a range of other options. Of course some city centre businesses don't want them it's competition and all they care about anyway is the tourists,
Well if you live in Glasgow, you may want to update yourself as to the up to date shopping habits of the residents of York, who live several hundreds of miles away, and indeed the shops of York. If you knew anything about this city you would realise that there are already 2 Marks and Spencers at Monks Cross as well as 2 in the city centre and contrary to your comments, none of them are "mobbed" by the residents of York. In fact, the stores in the city centre appear to be significantly busier than the ones at Monks Cross so it blows a bit of a hole in your assumptions.

I must also confess that I do not feel "denied" by the lack of a John Lewis store in York - the combination of Browns and Fenwicks (both of which are privately owned BTW) do more than enough to satisfy my department store fetish.

You wouldn't perchance have anything to do with the developers that appear to want to push this thru' at all costs by "persuading" us that our lives are not complete without yet another store from yet another chain?
Conspiracy theory-fantasy of the decade. Well done! Where do you want me to send your prize?
[quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FLOWEROFSCOTLAND[/bold] wrote: Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.[/p][/quote]Congratulations, the truth will out as they say. Looking at some recent JL Christmas promotional literature I was struck by the relatively high prices JL quote compared with the image they like to create. As for electrical and household items, prices on the Web can undercut many local retailers by a large margin. I can see where perhaps fashion could benefit ;but looking at their food outlet on Foss Island Road I find them over rated and expensive![/p][/quote]I live in Glasgow, we have I think 5 large out of town shopping centres. Say hello to 2011 York. Why should the residents of York be denied these facilities. Marks and Spencer's and John Lewis will be absolutely mobbed by the residents of York as they are in every other city. People really need to get over this whole out of town thing and effecting the city centre. Every large city now have them and they all still prosper by offering a range of other options. Of course some city centre businesses don't want them it's competition and all they care about anyway is the tourists,[/p][/quote]Well if you live in Glasgow, you may want to update yourself as to the up to date shopping habits of the residents of York, who live several hundreds of miles away, and indeed the shops of York. If you knew anything about this city you would realise that there are already 2 Marks and Spencers at Monks Cross as well as 2 in the city centre and contrary to your comments, none of them are "mobbed" by the residents of York. In fact, the stores in the city centre appear to be significantly busier than the ones at Monks Cross so it blows a bit of a hole in your assumptions. I must also confess that I do not feel "denied" by the lack of a John Lewis store in York - the combination of Browns and Fenwicks (both of which are privately owned BTW) do more than enough to satisfy my department store fetish. You wouldn't perchance have anything to do with the developers that appear to want to push this thru' at all costs by "persuading" us that our lives are not complete without yet another store from yet another chain?[/p][/quote]Conspiracy theory-fantasy of the decade. Well done! Where do you want me to send your prize? Even AndyD
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8:50pm Wed 2 Nov 11

duffy says...

Woody Mellor wrote:
FLOWEROFSCOTLAND wrote:
Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.
Excellent post! No, I'm not being sarcastic either. York IS virtually a sport free zone. Lets keep it that way.
3/10 must do better.
[quote][p][bold]Woody Mellor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FLOWEROFSCOTLAND[/bold] wrote: Better to wait for a real JL in Leeds than have a JL-Lite which will be no better than Barnitt's in effect and may well lead to job losses in the centre. As for York City and The City Knights, who cares ? Clearly no more than the handful of people who go through the turnstiles at the moment. The great thing about York is that it's virtually a sport-free zone.[/p][/quote]Excellent post! No, I'm not being sarcastic either. York IS virtually a sport free zone. Lets keep it that way.[/p][/quote]3/10 must do better. duffy
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8:52pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Tug job says...

Johanne wrote:
A John Lewis and new M&S will devastate the retail sector in York City Centre. It is a huge error and we will all regret it if we lose vital shops such as Browns and Fenwicks. Johanne Spittle.
Why will this devastate the retail sector in the city centre? You appear to be accepting this as a matter of blind faith. Why should those of us who live across the northern areas of York, or in rural communities, have to travel into the centre, or down to Fulford, to do our shopping? My wife and would rather shop at John Lewis than Fenwick's or Brown's any day of the week - far better quality and far better customer service. If they can't handle a little competition they shouldn't be in business. I hope that when John Lewis opens it undercuts the prices being charged by similar stores - that would be a great benefit for local shoppers.
[quote][p][bold]Johanne[/bold] wrote: A John Lewis and new M&S will devastate the retail sector in York City Centre. It is a huge error and we will all regret it if we lose vital shops such as Browns and Fenwicks. Johanne Spittle.[/p][/quote]Why will this devastate the retail sector in the city centre? You appear to be accepting this as a matter of blind faith. Why should those of us who live across the northern areas of York, or in rural communities, have to travel into the centre, or down to Fulford, to do our shopping? My wife and would rather shop at John Lewis than Fenwick's or Brown's any day of the week - far better quality and far better customer service. If they can't handle a little competition they shouldn't be in business. I hope that when John Lewis opens it undercuts the prices being charged by similar stores - that would be a great benefit for local shoppers. Tug job
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9:09pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Alber Tross says...

Micklegate wrote:
'Great news that JL has put it's support behind the Community Stadium'

......yes indeed, I am sure they are looking to open n York to be seen to be supporting the stadium, millions in hoped for sales and profits will be a secondary consideration.
Spot on Micklegate; the two are not connected. If we reject the stadium because of some planning obstacle like match day gridlock but pass the shopping complex part, then all the retail outlets will still be begging to be at Monks Cross. The developers will be delighted too as they won't have to bother with the profit draining stadium.
[quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: 'Great news that JL has put it's support behind the Community Stadium' ......yes indeed, I am sure they are looking to open n York to be seen to be supporting the stadium, millions in hoped for sales and profits will be a secondary consideration.[/p][/quote]Spot on Micklegate; the two are not connected. If we reject the stadium because of some planning obstacle like match day gridlock but pass the shopping complex part, then all the retail outlets will still be begging to be at Monks Cross. The developers will be delighted too as they won't have to bother with the profit draining stadium. Alber Tross
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10:11pm Wed 2 Nov 11

PKH says...

yorkonafork wrote:
PKH wrote:
The Press are saying 1,600 jobs however the BBC website says JL will create 300 jobs, which I think is a much more realistic figure.
To be fair it does quote the separate figures in the first bit. Unless they added it after you said.
But as M&S are shutting other stores on Monks Cross and probably Piccadilly M&S will not be creating many if any new jobs so were does the 1,600 come from
[quote][p][bold]yorkonafork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: The Press are saying 1,600 jobs however the BBC website says JL will create 300 jobs, which I think is a much more realistic figure.[/p][/quote]To be fair it does quote the separate figures in the first bit. Unless they added it after you said.[/p][/quote]But as M&S are shutting other stores on Monks Cross and probably Piccadilly M&S will not be creating many if any new jobs so were does the 1,600 come from PKH
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10:17pm Wed 2 Nov 11

rose_of_york says...

Johanne wrote:
A John Lewis and new M&S will devastate the retail sector in York City Centre. It is a huge error and we will all regret it if we lose vital shops such as Browns and Fenwicks. Johanne Spittle.
No we won't. If they're so afraid of the competition they shouldn't be in business. And if the customers prefer to go to John Lewis or the new Marks and Spencer then it's because they are offering what the customer wants. Browns and Barnitts and the like, good as they are, are not owed a living.
[quote][p][bold]Johanne[/bold] wrote: A John Lewis and new M&S will devastate the retail sector in York City Centre. It is a huge error and we will all regret it if we lose vital shops such as Browns and Fenwicks. Johanne Spittle.[/p][/quote]No we won't. If they're so afraid of the competition they shouldn't be in business. And if the customers prefer to go to John Lewis or the new Marks and Spencer then it's because they are offering what the customer wants. Browns and Barnitts and the like, good as they are, are not owed a living. rose_of_york
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10:26pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Even AndyD says...

Well quite, Rose. Its the arrogance that gets me. As though we owe these people a living. As though the York public are some sort of slaves who have no choice but to shop at Browns and Mulberry Hall. That isn't how business works - I'm sorry, but it isn't. Not that I think an extra couple of stores will make one iota difference to city centre trade. Rowntrees has gone, the Carriage Works, Terry's, Ben Johnson's, sugar beet factory, etc. I'm sure if we can survive that lot as a city, we can endure a bit of competition for a handful of small family run stores that appear to be doing quite all right thank you very much!
Well quite, Rose. Its the arrogance that gets me. As though we owe these people a living. As though the York public are some sort of slaves who have no choice but to shop at Browns and Mulberry Hall. That isn't how business works - I'm sorry, but it isn't. Not that I think an extra couple of stores will make one iota difference to city centre trade. Rowntrees has gone, the Carriage Works, Terry's, Ben Johnson's, sugar beet factory, etc. I'm sure if we can survive that lot as a city, we can endure a bit of competition for a handful of small family run stores that appear to be doing quite all right thank you very much! Even AndyD
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10:32pm Wed 2 Nov 11

yorkonafork says...

PKH wrote:
yorkonafork wrote:
PKH wrote: The Press are saying 1,600 jobs however the BBC website says JL will create 300 jobs, which I think is a much more realistic figure.
To be fair it does quote the separate figures in the first bit. Unless they added it after you said.
But as M&S are shutting other stores on Monks Cross and probably Piccadilly M&S will not be creating many if any new jobs so were does the 1,600 come from
No idea, I was just stating what The Press wrote. I'm lead to believe that most of though are actually temp jobs in the building of the shops, stadium etc. They'll still be creating jobs (as in a higher number even after this switching) in all this but certainly not 1,600 permanent ones.
[quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkonafork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: The Press are saying 1,600 jobs however the BBC website says JL will create 300 jobs, which I think is a much more realistic figure.[/p][/quote]To be fair it does quote the separate figures in the first bit. Unless they added it after you said.[/p][/quote]But as M&S are shutting other stores on Monks Cross and probably Piccadilly M&S will not be creating many if any new jobs so were does the 1,600 come from[/p][/quote]No idea, I was just stating what The Press wrote. I'm lead to believe that most of though are actually temp jobs in the building of the shops, stadium etc. They'll still be creating jobs (as in a higher number even after this switching) in all this but certainly not 1,600 permanent ones. yorkonafork
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10:50pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Dan Parkinson says...

It's good to see this finally taking shape and I hope it works out for the best. Luckily the clear majority do want this (why is it always the moaners who have the loudest, repetitive voices I wonder? Sad lives maybe who knows...).
There's a number of factors both positive & negative in this of course but all in all it will help York be better, it's as simple as that.
I must have a word on the attitude on a minority of shops such as Betty's and Browns who keep up with their free-publicity stunt in all this. Their attitude stinks and I hope they do go down the pan if this is how they treat our City. If business A and Business B can't handle Business C being create then that's not our problem. There's 1,000s of businesses in York, some thrive, some do ok, and yes, some go bust which is always sad to see. To suggest 2-3 shops 7 miles away will kill local trade is frankly farcical. York is a fantastic City and it's a shame the selfish attitude of some are bringing down a City that is now, has been and will forever be a wonderful place.
It's good to see this finally taking shape and I hope it works out for the best. Luckily the clear majority do want this (why is it always the moaners who have the loudest, repetitive voices I wonder? Sad lives maybe who knows...). There's a number of factors both positive & negative in this of course but all in all it will help York be better, it's as simple as that. I must have a word on the attitude on a minority of shops such as Betty's and Browns who keep up with their free-publicity stunt in all this. Their attitude stinks and I hope they do go down the pan if this is how they treat our City. If business A and Business B can't handle Business C being create then that's not our problem. There's 1,000s of businesses in York, some thrive, some do ok, and yes, some go bust which is always sad to see. To suggest 2-3 shops 7 miles away will kill local trade is frankly farcical. York is a fantastic City and it's a shame the selfish attitude of some are bringing down a City that is now, has been and will forever be a wonderful place. Dan Parkinson
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12:47am Thu 3 Nov 11

bagpuss73 says...

Only one retailer would make me go back into York City Centre to shop

PRIMARK

Till then i'll stick with the odd day trip to Harrogate & do my main at Monks Cross , Clifton Moor & Designer outlet thanks & leave it to the fools who pay to park in the city centre
x
Only one retailer would make me go back into York City Centre to shop PRIMARK Till then i'll stick with the odd day trip to Harrogate & do my main at Monks Cross , Clifton Moor & Designer outlet thanks & leave it to the fools who pay to park in the city centre x bagpuss73
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2:02am Thu 3 Nov 11

TheYorkRose says...

I actually, despite broadly supporting the proposal and thinking it won't really affect the city centre, disagree on that point: I'd rather see a York without John Lewis than a York without Barnitts, though I could live without most of the independent city centre shops personally, as I rarely do anything other than food shopping. Independent shops are better than horrible national chain stores, not least because people would come from Leeds to visit a great independent shop whilst they wouldn't for a chain store.

But I still reject the idea that a John Lewis will stop people going into the city. It seems a bit much, perhaps.
I actually, despite broadly supporting the proposal and thinking it won't really affect the city centre, disagree on that point: I'd rather see a York without John Lewis than a York without Barnitts, though I could live without most of the independent city centre shops personally, as I rarely do anything other than food shopping. Independent shops are better than horrible national chain stores, not least because people would come from Leeds to visit a great independent shop whilst they wouldn't for a chain store. But I still reject the idea that a John Lewis will stop people going into the city. It seems a bit much, perhaps. TheYorkRose
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8:42am Thu 3 Nov 11

Sawday2 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Sawday2 said ".....though if it reduce parking charges I might go in more often!"

You've obviously not cottoned onto the fact that car parking charges are being used as a mechanism to discourage unnecccessary car travel into York, and instead encourage greater use of P&R.
Thanks for that PP. Next time I want to do a full weeks shop, buy gardening equipment, a tv, compost, camping gear, mattress, furniture etc I must remember to use the Park n' Ride and not even think about using my car.

Time you got off your saddle and into the real world!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Sawday2 said ".....though if it reduce parking charges I might go in more often!" You've obviously not cottoned onto the fact that car parking charges are being used as a mechanism to discourage unnecccessary car travel into York, and instead encourage greater use of P&R.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that PP. Next time I want to do a full weeks shop, buy gardening equipment, a tv, compost, camping gear, mattress, furniture etc I must remember to use the Park n' Ride and not even think about using my car. Time you got off your saddle and into the real world! Sawday2
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8:54am Thu 3 Nov 11

pedalling paul says...

Sawday2 wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Sawday2 said ".....though if it reduce parking charges I might go in more often!"

You've obviously not cottoned onto the fact that car parking charges are being used as a mechanism to discourage unnecccessary car travel into York, and instead encourage greater use of P&R.
Thanks for that PP. Next time I want to do a full weeks shop, buy gardening equipment, a tv, compost, camping gear, mattress, furniture etc I must remember to use the Park n' Ride and not even think about using my car.

Time you got off your saddle and into the real world!
A great many retail journeys involve purchases which can be carried on buses and bikes. Many retailers offer a home delivery service for bulky items.
Shoppers who choose these travel options are sensibly helping to reduce demand on York's finite road and parking capacity.
[quote][p][bold]Sawday2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Sawday2 said ".....though if it reduce parking charges I might go in more often!" You've obviously not cottoned onto the fact that car parking charges are being used as a mechanism to discourage unnecccessary car travel into York, and instead encourage greater use of P&R.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that PP. Next time I want to do a full weeks shop, buy gardening equipment, a tv, compost, camping gear, mattress, furniture etc I must remember to use the Park n' Ride and not even think about using my car. Time you got off your saddle and into the real world![/p][/quote]A great many retail journeys involve purchases which can be carried on buses and bikes. Many retailers offer a home delivery service for bulky items. Shoppers who choose these travel options are sensibly helping to reduce demand on York's finite road and parking capacity. pedalling paul
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9:31am Thu 3 Nov 11

Tug job says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Sawday2 wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Sawday2 said ".....though if it reduce parking charges I might go in more often!" You've obviously not cottoned onto the fact that car parking charges are being used as a mechanism to discourage unnecccessary car travel into York, and instead encourage greater use of P&R.
Thanks for that PP. Next time I want to do a full weeks shop, buy gardening equipment, a tv, compost, camping gear, mattress, furniture etc I must remember to use the Park n' Ride and not even think about using my car. Time you got off your saddle and into the real world!
A great many retail journeys involve purchases which can be carried on buses and bikes. Many retailers offer a home delivery service for bulky items. Shoppers who choose these travel options are sensibly helping to reduce demand on York's finite road and parking capacity.
Paul, I acknowledge what you say about some retailers offering home deliveries for bulky items, but what happens when you want to purchase bulky items from a retailer who does not offer this service, or if you want to purchase multiple bulky items? But all of this is a red herring. John Lewis opening at Monk's Cross will have no impact on Betty's. Mulberry Hall had no qualms whatsoever about opening their specialist outlet at Fulford - they were not concerned about the impact on city centre traders then. If there is a demand that is not currently being met, then markeet economics dictate that someone will step forward to meet that demand. If I want to take my disabled mum shopping, it is far easier for me to go to Clifton Moor or Monk's Cross than find a space near the city centre and then navigate the variable pavement heights, dog mess, discarded chips and kebabs, litter, etc. Plase God, let this scheme go ahead, so those of us who want to can shop at a liesurely, enjoyable pace in clean surroundings and with easy access to transport. Those who prefer to shop in the city centre are welcome to do just that. This issue is being portrayed as being antagonistic when it should be seen as being complementary, offering greater choice for local residents.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sawday2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Sawday2 said ".....though if it reduce parking charges I might go in more often!" You've obviously not cottoned onto the fact that car parking charges are being used as a mechanism to discourage unnecccessary car travel into York, and instead encourage greater use of P&R.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that PP. Next time I want to do a full weeks shop, buy gardening equipment, a tv, compost, camping gear, mattress, furniture etc I must remember to use the Park n' Ride and not even think about using my car. Time you got off your saddle and into the real world![/p][/quote]A great many retail journeys involve purchases which can be carried on buses and bikes. Many retailers offer a home delivery service for bulky items. Shoppers who choose these travel options are sensibly helping to reduce demand on York's finite road and parking capacity.[/p][/quote]Paul, I acknowledge what you say about some retailers offering home deliveries for bulky items, but what happens when you want to purchase bulky items from a retailer who does not offer this service, or if you want to purchase multiple bulky items? But all of this is a red herring. John Lewis opening at Monk's Cross will have no impact on Betty's. Mulberry Hall had no qualms whatsoever about opening their specialist outlet at Fulford - they were not concerned about the impact on city centre traders then. If there is a demand that is not currently being met, then markeet economics dictate that someone will step forward to meet that demand. If I want to take my disabled mum shopping, it is far easier for me to go to Clifton Moor or Monk's Cross than find a space near the city centre and then navigate the variable pavement heights, dog mess, discarded chips and kebabs, litter, etc. Plase God, let this scheme go ahead, so those of us who want to can shop at a liesurely, enjoyable pace in clean surroundings and with easy access to transport. Those who prefer to shop in the city centre are welcome to do just that. This issue is being portrayed as being antagonistic when it should be seen as being complementary, offering greater choice for local residents. Tug job
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12:51pm Thu 3 Nov 11

bolero says...

Doesn't Pedalling Paul talk a whole load of tripe? For goodness sake man waken up, get off your flipping two wheeled velocipede and come into the real world. It is not possible to carry everything on a P+P bus. Apart from anything else you can't move for buggies anyway. Delivery costs money, adding to the cost of the purchase which is probably inflated anyway because one is in York. This poor deluded soul lives in cloud-cuckoo land. And Barnitts make me laugh with their two ticket sales system; one red,and one yellow, trying to make you believe that everything in the shop has been reduced from a ridiculously high starting price. I can buy identical goods at Clifton Moor and Monks Cross far cheaper and park for free.
Come on John Lewis,bring it on and fast.
Doesn't Pedalling Paul talk a whole load of tripe? For goodness sake man waken up, get off your flipping two wheeled velocipede and come into the real world. It is not possible to carry everything on a P+P bus. Apart from anything else you can't move for buggies anyway. Delivery costs money, adding to the cost of the purchase which is probably inflated anyway because one is in York. This poor deluded soul lives in cloud-cuckoo land. And Barnitts make me laugh with their two ticket sales system; one red,and one yellow, trying to make you believe that everything in the shop has been reduced from a ridiculously high starting price. I can buy identical goods at Clifton Moor and Monks Cross far cheaper and park for free. Come on John Lewis,bring it on and fast. bolero
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1:04pm Thu 3 Nov 11

Tug job says...

Indeed, although I will miss the aroma of cider and chips when I no longer shop in Barnitts!
Indeed, although I will miss the aroma of cider and chips when I no longer shop in Barnitts! Tug job
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7:00pm Thu 3 Nov 11

bolero says...

Nearly as bad as the smell of cigarette smoke in the doorway of ASDA at Monks Cross.
Nearly as bad as the smell of cigarette smoke in the doorway of ASDA at Monks Cross. bolero
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2:40am Fri 4 Nov 11

Magicman! says...

I thought that unit next to the proposed M&S was going to be a Primark... oh well, if it's a John Lewis then I can still buy a box of Lucky Charms from there when I'm feeling nostalgic!
I think though it'd be better for John Lewis to open a full sized store in the CastlePiccadilly development if that were to go ahead, even if it's in addition to the Monks Cross store.... Having just a "John Lewis Zero Sugar" at Monks Cross for the whole of York seems a bit odd.
I thought that unit next to the proposed M&S was going to be a Primark... oh well, if it's a John Lewis then I can still buy a box of Lucky Charms from there when I'm feeling nostalgic! I think though it'd be better for John Lewis to open a full sized store in the CastlePiccadilly development if that were to go ahead, even if it's in addition to the Monks Cross store.... Having just a "John Lewis Zero Sugar" at Monks Cross for the whole of York seems a bit odd. Magicman!
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7:44am Fri 4 Nov 11

helzwash says...

Oh for goodness sake. York isn't going to shut down because they've opened up a new department store!
Ha as if Barnitts is in any danger. No one will sell out on Barnitts to go shop at John Lewis, Barnitts is legendry and everyone knows it.
It'll help generate more jobs for those struggling to find some too.
I've visited the John Lewis in Edinburgh and yes it is a good shop and I will visit there for a browse but it's nothing special. I love Browns and go there all the time - I'm not going to suddenly never shop at them again.
Oh for goodness sake. York isn't going to shut down because they've opened up a new department store! Ha as if Barnitts is in any danger. No one will sell out on Barnitts to go shop at John Lewis, Barnitts is legendry and everyone knows it. It'll help generate more jobs for those struggling to find some too. I've visited the John Lewis in Edinburgh and yes it is a good shop and I will visit there for a browse but it's nothing special. I love Browns and go there all the time - I'm not going to suddenly never shop at them again. helzwash
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1:07pm Fri 4 Nov 11

Saywhat says...

Wish they'd built an ice-skating rink instead or another shop.
The rink at christmas is fine, but York would really benefit from one all year round.
Wish they'd built an ice-skating rink instead or another shop. The rink at christmas is fine, but York would really benefit from one all year round. Saywhat
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3:46pm Fri 4 Nov 11

bolero says...

EH!
EH! bolero
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6:59pm Fri 4 Nov 11

bagpuss73 says...

i have 6 Children in my household at the moment so can peddlingPaul please tell me how I can ...
A - use bikes for us all as a mode of transport when shopping
B - afford the bus fair for us all &
C - justify paying for parking in town when nearer to where I live I can get everything i need free parking
i have 6 Children in my household at the moment so can peddlingPaul please tell me how I can ... A - use bikes for us all as a mode of transport when shopping B - afford the bus fair for us all & C - justify paying for parking in town when nearer to where I live I can get everything i need free parking bagpuss73
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5:48pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Sawday2 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Sawday2 wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Sawday2 said ".....though if it reduce parking charges I might go in more often!"

You've obviously not cottoned onto the fact that car parking charges are being used as a mechanism to discourage unnecccessary car travel into York, and instead encourage greater use of P&R.
Thanks for that PP. Next time I want to do a full weeks shop, buy gardening equipment, a tv, compost, camping gear, mattress, furniture etc I must remember to use the Park n' Ride and not even think about using my car.

Time you got off your saddle and into the real world!
A great many retail journeys involve purchases which can be carried on buses and bikes. Many retailers offer a home delivery service for bulky items.
Shoppers who choose these travel options are sensibly helping to reduce demand on York's finite road and parking capacity.
Ah so it's OK for heavy delivery lorries to negotiate Yorks narrow streets but not my little car. That makes sense.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sawday2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Sawday2 said ".....though if it reduce parking charges I might go in more often!" You've obviously not cottoned onto the fact that car parking charges are being used as a mechanism to discourage unnecccessary car travel into York, and instead encourage greater use of P&R.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that PP. Next time I want to do a full weeks shop, buy gardening equipment, a tv, compost, camping gear, mattress, furniture etc I must remember to use the Park n' Ride and not even think about using my car. Time you got off your saddle and into the real world![/p][/quote]A great many retail journeys involve purchases which can be carried on buses and bikes. Many retailers offer a home delivery service for bulky items. Shoppers who choose these travel options are sensibly helping to reduce demand on York's finite road and parking capacity.[/p][/quote]Ah so it's OK for heavy delivery lorries to negotiate Yorks narrow streets but not my little car. That makes sense. Sawday2
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11:58am Tue 8 Nov 11

Capt. Dobie says...

"Just watched that intellectual vacuum James Alexander"

LMAO!!! Please can I use that phrase more?


This post: "helzwash says...
7:44am Fri 4 Nov 11" I agree. York won't implode.

Who referred to them as 'bloody tourists'? No need really seeing as they add a significant amount to the York economy. As I now live >25 miles from my home town but visit frequently, am I a 'bloody tourist' too?

I come to York to see friends&family and spend my money. Shall I spend it elsewhere?

All York City Centre needs is much reduced car parking fees; YCC can make up the deficit by halving the number of councillors stifling progress (as per another thread).
"Just watched that intellectual vacuum James Alexander" LMAO!!! Please can I use that phrase more? This post: "helzwash says... 7:44am Fri 4 Nov 11" I agree. York won't implode. Who referred to them as 'bloody tourists'? No need really seeing as they add a significant amount to the York economy. As I now live >25 miles from my home town but visit frequently, am I a 'bloody tourist' too? I come to York to see friends&family and spend my money. Shall I spend it elsewhere? All York City Centre needs is much reduced car parking fees; YCC can make up the deficit by halving the number of councillors stifling progress (as per another thread). Capt. Dobie
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