Meat off the menu for Morrissey at York Barbican (From York Press)

I think it's a bit rich him pushing his personal beliefs on his audience and the venue. p.s. I drove past this morning and I believe there were fans outside already!

Well done Morrissey. If he is a vegetarian and a campaigner then it does not make sense to sell meat at his venues.

At least he has the integrity to stick up for his beliefs. Nice one.

pathetic barbican kow towing to him.why let him impose his views on others and why does he want to impose those views.

Overproof wrote:
Well done Morrissey. If he is a vegetarian and a campaigner then it does not make sense to sell meat at his venues. At least he has the integrity to stick up for his beliefs. Nice one.

Now if Pete Doherty does get out early and plays at the Barbican as reported yesterday, does this mean his personal preferences will influence the menu?

roskoboskovic wrote:
pathetic barbican kow towing to him.why let him impose his views on others and why does he want to impose those views.

pot kettle black roskoboskovic. Your imposing your opinion and we all do on a daily basis .
Everything we read, look at, listen to or do is the views and opinions of somebody whatever that is.
So this is no different.
Your opinion is that the barbican should not take the opinion of somebody, well that would also include your opinion then in that case.

Didn't Hitler also impose his beliefs everywhere that he went?

West wrote:

roskoboskovic wrote: pathetic barbican kow towing to him.why let him impose his views on others and why does he want to impose those views.

pot kettle black roskoboskovic. Your imposing your opinion and we all do on a daily basis . Everything we read, look at, listen to or do is the views and opinions of somebody whatever that is. So this is no different. Your opinion is that the barbican should not take the opinion of somebody, well that would also include your opinion then in that case.

Actually Morrissey isn't simply imposing his beliefs, he is forcing them. If The Barbican don't play by his rules he simply won't show up.

Sounds like a great opportunity for one of those Turkish-run kebab wagons to park up nearby and make a few quid.

Biggest name? Bigger than Tom Jones? Everyone in the civilised world has heard of Tom Jones. Couldn't say that about the ex Smiths singer.

Well Done Morrissey! The day will come when every vile animal industry is a thing of the past. In the meantime we have to show the public what a positive step veganism is for humanity, animals and the environment. As Paul McCartney once said, ‘If slaughter houses had glass walls everyone would be vegetarian!’ Anyone with a normal functioning conscience would at least. But as it stands, the masses remain unconnected from the link between the food on their plates and the immense suffering its production involves. This needs to be addressed. The status quo doesn’t make a practice morally right.

To anyone who complains about the ‘imposing of personal beliefs and ’being denied ‘choice’; put yourselves in the animals’ shoes! YOU’RE ‘imposing’ YOUR views on them in the most horrific way!

We are quite rightly denied ‘choice ‘in many areas of life. The law does not allow us the ‘choice’ to burgle someone’s house, or otherwise harm our fellow man! As sentient beings, animals deserve the same respect!

There is a world of difference between Hitler ‘imposing his views’ destructively and a food venue respecting a compassionate stance!

THREE CHEERS FOR MORRISSEY! A BIG THANK YOU TO THE BARBICAN!

Catherine Heckford-Dickinson, HU8 7TW says...
6:54pm Sat 25 Jun 11
Well Done Morrissey! The day will come when every vile animal industry is a thing of the past.

And when that day comes, pigs, cattle, sheep and hens will become redundant and hence become extinct.
Humans have been predators since before we climbed down out of the trees.
In most parts of the world vegetarianism is viewed as a form of mental disorder.
If Morrissey got some black pudding down him, then heaven knows, he might not be so miserabel now.

Morrissey has campaigned heavily for freedom of expression and opinion. Which is great.
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Shame he doesn't believe in other people being allowed freedom in what they eat.
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Either he believes in personal freedoms or believes in control.

Catherine Heckford-Dickinson wrote:
Well Done Morrissey! The day will come when every vile animal industry is a thing of the past. In the meantime we have to show the public what a positive step veganism is for humanity, animals and the environment. As Paul McCartney once said, ‘If slaughter houses had glass walls everyone would be vegetarian!’ Anyone with a normal functioning conscience would at least. But as it stands, the masses remain unconnected from the link between the food on their plates and the immense suffering its production involves. This needs to be addressed. The status quo doesn’t make a practice morally right. To anyone who complains about the ‘imposing of personal beliefs and ’being denied ‘choice’; put yourselves in the animals’ shoes! YOU’RE ‘imposing’ YOUR views on them in the most horrific way! We are quite rightly denied ‘choice ‘in many areas of life. The law does not allow us the ‘choice’ to burgle someone’s house, or otherwise harm our fellow man! As sentient beings, animals deserve the same respect! There is a world of difference between Hitler ‘imposing his views’ destructively and a food venue respecting a compassionate stance! THREE CHEERS FOR MORRISSEY! A BIG THANK YOU TO THE BARBICAN!

What a contorted piece of claptrap. The whole of nature is composed of autotrophs at the bottom of the food chain that make food (almost wholly from energy from the sun) and then layers of heterotrophs that fill the different niches above that consume the food. This is the fundamental structure of life on Earth! Like it or not, mankind is now top of the food chain.

What a total load of cr@p. I hope he chokes on his lettuce sandwich and we don't have to hear anymore of his self centred depressing songs.

Does he ban all meat eaters from buying tickets for his concerts or buying his albums and merchandise?
Would he personally make any money out of any meat sold at his concerts.
The answers are all no so what a hippocrite he is.

So what, its his gig, his choice.. not enforcing his views, just passionate about what he beleives in. I could see more clearly why people actually care, if they were going to the gig?
Hes not usually my cup of tea, but I watched him on Glastonbury yesterday and so far he has clearly been the most impressive artist iv watched on the coverage, he really was fantastic and I wish I could have been at the gig tonight.
If I didn't like the food at the gig, I would go elsewhere and not cry about it or kick up a fuss.
Hes a miserable sod yeh, but I totally respect his views.
The other year he refused to play a concert in Canada until the brutal and sadistic seal cull is ended. To my knowledge it didnt end it however its another example of a man thats not scared to **** people off, sticking to his guns and standing up for what he beleives in. It also created greater awareness worldwide of the completely pointless slaughtering of living creatures.

PDH wrote:
Does he ban all meat eaters from buying tickets for his concerts or buying his albums and merchandise?
Would he personally make any money out of any meat sold at his concerts.
The answers are all no so what a hippocrite he is.

How would you ban meat eaters from buying your products exactly?

So what if he banned meat from the restaurant for ONE DAY! It's not going to kill people to eat some vegetables is it?

If the Barbican have to bend over a little to accommodate a big name like him, then so what?

It's great that we can have a big star like Morrissey in York at all!

Before i read these anti Morrissey comments on this forum, I was happy in the haze of a drunken hour, but heaven knows i'm miserable now.

Well tell you what then, why not just eat at the Barbican one of the 364 other days of the year when it does serve meat. If a risotto offends you so much, eat elsewhere. Were you actually planning on eating there tonight? Thought not. He and his band are all vegetarian, most of his fans are vegetarian and usually the choice of veggie options at restaurants is woeful, be grateful that someone so big even considereded coming anywhere near York! Maybe you should eat more vegetables, raise your zinc levels to reduce your aggressive argumentative streak . . . it's just a risotto and pizza - chill!

ash88888888 wrote:
Well tell you what then, why not just eat at the Barbican one of the 364 other days of the year when it does serve meat. If a risotto offends you so much, eat elsewhere. Were you actually planning on eating there tonight? Thought not. He and his band are all vegetarian, most of his fans are vegetarian and usually the choice of veggie options at restaurants is woeful, be grateful that someone so big even considereded coming anywhere near York! Maybe you should eat more vegetables, raise your zinc levels to reduce your aggressive argumentative streak . . . it's just a risotto and pizza - chill!

Oh so we must all be grateful that some miserable Manc comes to our city to make some money? Go forth and multiply mate!

Mr Anderson wrote:

ash88888888 wrote:
Well tell you what then, why not just eat at the Barbican one of the 364 other days of the year when it does serve meat. If a risotto offends you so much, eat elsewhere. Were you actually planning on eating there tonight? Thought not. He and his band are all vegetarian, most of his fans are vegetarian and usually the choice of veggie options at restaurants is woeful, be grateful that someone so big even considereded coming anywhere near York! Maybe you should eat more vegetables, raise your zinc levels to reduce your aggressive argumentative streak . . . it's just a risotto and pizza - chill!

Oh so we must all be grateful that some miserable Manc comes to our city to make some money? Go forth and multiply mate!

Yes, we should be greatful, hes a fantastic artist, and York is desperate to attract artists of his type. Like I said in an earlier post, im not really a "fan" however if you watch him on the Glastonbury coverage this weekend, any music lover fan or not, would realise hes been the stand out performance so far.
I just hope the Barbican pull their finger out and book more artists who sell out the venue the same way he did in such a tiny space of time.
Its these sorts of bookings that will make the venue attractive to surrounding areas, towns, cities and therefore make it a huge success. If I was going to see him play, ... I really wouldnt care about not having some processed meat on my pizza to be honest...

Everyone should throw hotdogs at him while he's onstage - he'll be ok with it, afterall he'll have had bottles full of p**s thrown at him @ Glasto on Friday night.

Good for him, he's a man of principle. A vegetarian menu for one night won't do anyone any harm whatsoever, and will be a chance for people to try some new foods. Its strange that some people see this as an outrage against their freedom! Its just one night and its just food. When I do dinner parties, I never serve meat, and people don't even notice and really enjoy themselves, second helpings all round followed by lots of cake!

petethefeet wrote:

Catherine Heckford-Dickinson wrote:
Well Done Morrissey! The day will come when every vile animal industry is a thing of the past. In the meantime we have to show the public what a positive step veganism is for humanity, animals and the environment. As Paul McCartney once said, ‘If slaughter houses had glass walls everyone would be vegetarian!’ Anyone with a normal functioning conscience would at least. But as it stands, the masses remain unconnected from the link between the food on their plates and the immense suffering its production involves. This needs to be addressed. The status quo doesn’t make a practice morally right. To anyone who complains about the ‘imposing of personal beliefs and ’being denied ‘choice’; put yourselves in the animals’ shoes! YOU’RE ‘imposing’ YOUR views on them in the most horrific way! We are quite rightly denied ‘choice ‘in many areas of life. The law does not allow us the ‘choice’ to burgle someone’s house, or otherwise harm our fellow man! As sentient beings, animals deserve the same respect! There is a world of difference between Hitler ‘imposing his views’ destructively and a food venue respecting a compassionate stance! THREE CHEERS FOR MORRISSEY! A BIG THANK YOU TO THE BARBICAN!

What a contorted piece of claptrap. The whole of nature is composed of autotrophs at the bottom of the food chain that make food (almost wholly from energy from the sun) and then layers of heterotrophs that fill the different niches above that consume the food. This is the fundamental structure of life on Earth! Like it or not, mankind is now top of the food chain.

The argument that we should eat meat "because it is natural" is clearly a logical fallacy. Nature is also composed of rapists and cannibals, but that doesn't mean we should be raping and eating each other. Besides, mankind is (supposedly) more intelligent than other animals, allowing us to make decisions based on ethics, rather than mere instinct. Of course, we need to be part of the food chain in order to exist, but we can get everything we need nutrionally from non-meat sources.

Put in front of me a nice rare fillet steak and a plate of vegetables. The steak I'll consume happily, the veg can go to the rabbit so as to fatten it up for the roasting tin. If there is one thing I cant stand its bloody vegetarians and even worse vegans! Hypocrites the lot of them!

There's an old saying "Put a baby in a crib with an apple and a rabbit, if it eats the rabbit and plays with the apple I'll buy you a Porche"
So a man asked a restaurant to cook a certain type of food, big deal. Did it affect you life in any way whatsoever? No. Did your arms and legs drop off as a result of a place (a place you, incidentally, weren't eating at) not serving a particular type of food? No. Did it inconvenience you or cause you physical harm whatsoever? No. Are there bigger things to get upset about in the world? Yes. Go and use this anger and unpleasantness to right some of the wrongs in the world, not whinge about a singer wanting some vegetables.
What started out as an interesting side-note of an article a mere 5 paragraphs long has stimulate such a huge and unproportional 'debate' about about what people choose or choose not to eat. Calm yourselves people!!
Vegetarians and vegans are not hypocrites nor are we fascists or arseholes.
Chill the rock out and go about life as before.

There's an old saying "Put a baby in a crib with an apple and a rabbit, if it eats the rabbit and plays with the apple I'll buy you a Porche"
So a man asked a restaurant to cook a certain type of food, big deal. Did it affect you life in any way whatsoever? No. Did your arms and legs drop off as a result of a place (a place you, incidentally, weren't eating at) not serving a particular type of food? No. Did it inconvenience you or cause you physical harm whatsoever? No. Are there bigger things to get upset about in the world? Yes. Go and use this anger and unpleasantness to right some of the wrongs in the world, not whinge about a singer wanting some vegetables.
What started out as an interesting side-note of an article a mere 5 paragraphs long has stimulate such a huge and unproportional 'debate' about about what people choose or choose not to eat. Calm yourselves people!!
Vegetarians and vegans are not hypocrites nor are we fascists or arseholes.
Chill the rock out and go about life as before.

Now that I have calmed down. I'd just like to say that it would not be very nice for vegetarians if they were intending to go see a band at The Barbican and have a meal, only to be told that the performing artist has "specifically" requested that meat only (Burgers/hot dogs etc) will be served in the restaurant. Although I'm a meat eater I would definitely think that was unfair to the vegetarians.

personally i think morrisey is too far up himself to be relevant, but he has his views and best of luck to him. but some of the nonsense on here is ridiculous. you would assume that those buying tickets to his concert would be of simillar thinking otherwise they probably wouldnt go, so it is really not offending anyone, only those of you that like to read the paper each day just to be offended. also to the veggies, i eat meat because i like it. but if we were to all become vegetarian how many species would become extinct. so you could stop the slaughter but watch animals become extinct. also like it or not we are designed to eat meat not just because we like it but to keep nature in order, that is why there is a food chain, you get rid of a part of it and then every thing becomes unbalanced.

thelostshoe1977 wrote:
personally i think morrisey is too far up himself to be relevant, but he has his views and best of luck to him. but some of the nonsense on here is ridiculous. you would assume that those buying tickets to his concert would be of simillar thinking otherwise they probably wouldnt go, so it is really not offending anyone, only those of you that like to read the paper each day just to be offended. also to the veggies, i eat meat because i like it. but if we were to all become vegetarian how many species would become extinct. so you could stop the slaughter but watch animals become extinct. also like it or not we are designed to eat meat not just because we like it but to keep nature in order, that is why there is a food chain, you get rid of a part of it and then every thing becomes unbalanced.

Cows aren't generally eaten in India, and they haven't gone extinct there. People could keep chickens for their eggs. They might keep pigs as pets. We don't eat cats and dogs, but they haven't gone extinct.

Excessive meat consumption is contributing to climate change and has contributed to the destruction of the rainforests. A huge amount of land is used to grow plants to feed farm animals. It seems likely that overconsumption of meat has already caused many extinctions. Of course, this doesn't *necessarily* apply to *all* meat, but much meat available in the UK has been fed on grains and soy grown on rainforest land.

It can hardly be claimed that farming is a part of the natural food chain, especially not factory farming. Even if it was natural, that would not necessarily make it right.

Woody Mellor wrote:
Now that I have calmed down. I'd just like to say that it would not be very nice for vegetarians if they were intending to go see a band at The Barbican and have a meal, only to be told that the performing artist has "specifically" requested that meat only (Burgers/hot dogs etc) will be served in the restaurant. Although I'm a meat eater I would definitely think that was unfair to the vegetarians.

For a start, if that happened then the vegetarian would be unable to eat anything, but the other way round the meat-eater could eat anything off the menu (whether they liked it would be a different matter). Secondly, this happens all the time to veggies! The amount of times I've been looking for somewhere to eat only for there to be nothing vegetarian on the menu, which amazes me in this day and age.

The other thing is, that there is also a difference between animals out in the wild, killing something to eat. That is their instinct, that is what they are designed to eat, that is nature. What humans do is specifically breed animals in captivity in order to kill and eat them. You can say 'aren't we very clever to be able to do this?' or you could say it goes against nature and compassion. The animals have no chance. As for the argument they wouldn't have a life at all, would you really want to live for a year and then be slaughtered, particularly if it was in poor conditions. I wouldn't, I'd rather not have lived at all. We don't need to eat meat, we can eat it, but we don't need to, in fact in many ways it's healthier for us not to.

And lastly, anyone that thinks it's funny to be rude and abusive to people for being kind and compassionate are the ones who are mentally unstable. I personally think it's born out of guilt as you're too selfish to care about anything than your own stomach.

If the baby was listening to Morrissey, he'd be too depressed to eat the apple and hang himself with the rabbit.

The Smiths actually had some really up-beat songs, I think it's a generalisation that Morrisey's songs are all just miserable. I'm sure most people have only heard a couple if that on which to judge.

Woody Mellor wrote:
I think it's a bit rich him pushing his personal beliefs on his audience and the venue. p.s. I drove past this morning and I believe there were fans outside already!

It's not pushing his views on anyone. Everybody eats vegetarian food already. Don't be so indignant for no reason!

I like Gordon Ramsay's attitude (and other top chefs) towards vegetarians. Which is "Get out and eat somewhere else!".

Woody Mellor wrote:
Put in front of me a nice rare fillet steak and a plate of vegetables. The steak I'll consume happily, the veg can go to the rabbit so as to fatten it up for the roasting tin. If there is one thing I cant stand its bloody vegetarians and even worse vegans! Hypocrites the lot of them!

When you end up with cancer of the colon, don't come crying.

I've been a veggie since my teens, I'm now in my early forties, I'm just under 12 stone (5'11" male), and have good skin complexion. People often comment that I look in my late twenties to early thirties. All due to healthy eating and lifestyle.

And before you think I must have a boring lifestyle, I can tell you I'm very active, travel a lot, and spend a lot of time out and about.

I personally don't care whether you choose to eat meat or not, but to cause such a fuss over one night is ridiculous. At least you have been forewarned, and can choose whether to eat a vegetarian meal in the restaurant or go elsewhere.

morrissey you are SO OVER! saw a great t.shirt in Glasgow MEAT IS MURDER TASTY TASTY MURDER! maybe i will send him one but he has got his head so far up his rear end i do not think he would notice - BORING!

Blah Blah... how dare they push there views on others.... blah blah blah you bunch of old wingers go get a life!

O. MyLord wrote:

Woody Mellor wrote:
Put in front of me a nice rare fillet steak and a plate of vegetables. The steak I'll consume happily, the veg can go to the rabbit so as to fatten it up for the roasting tin. If there is one thing I cant stand its bloody vegetarians and even worse vegans! Hypocrites the lot of them!

When you end up with cancer of the colon, don't come crying.

I've been a veggie since my teens, I'm now in my early forties, I'm just under 12 stone (5'11" male), and have good skin complexion. People often comment that I look in my late twenties to early thirties. All due to healthy eating and lifestyle.

And before you think I must have a boring lifestyle, I can tell you I'm very active, travel a lot, and spend a lot of time out and about.

I personally don't care whether you choose to eat meat or not, but to cause such a fuss over one night is ridiculous. At least you have been forewarned, and can choose whether to eat a vegetarian meal in the restaurant or go elsewhere.

I'm not one to get ill, in fact very rare. As for all my veggy friends, they are frequently ill with colds etc and I must say pretty pasty complexions. Just my observations and they openly admit to it themselves. And as I keep saying, I dont have anything against veggys as long as its not being preached to me.

Woody Mellor wrote:

O. MyLord wrote:

Woody Mellor wrote:
Put in front of me a nice rare fillet steak and a plate of vegetables. The steak I'll consume happily, the veg can go to the rabbit so as to fatten it up for the roasting tin. If there is one thing I cant stand its bloody vegetarians and even worse vegans! Hypocrites the lot of them!

When you end up with cancer of the colon, don't come crying.

I've been a veggie since my teens, I'm now in my early forties, I'm just under 12 stone (5'11" male), and have good skin complexion. People often comment that I look in my late twenties to early thirties. All due to healthy eating and lifestyle.

And before you think I must have a boring lifestyle, I can tell you I'm very active, travel a lot, and spend a lot of time out and about.

I personally don't care whether you choose to eat meat or not, but to cause such a fuss over one night is ridiculous. At least you have been forewarned, and can choose whether to eat a vegetarian meal in the restaurant or go elsewhere.

I'm not one to get ill, in fact very rare. As for all my veggy friends, they are frequently ill with colds etc and I must say pretty pasty complexions. Just my observations and they openly admit to it themselves. And as I keep saying, I dont have anything against veggys as long as its not being preached to me.

You can be a veggie and still eat unhealthily, pizza and chips every night would surely make you ill. I would also say eating nothing but meat, as your earlier post suggested, would eventually lead to illness too. A good balanced diet (including meat if you wish), is undoubtably the best way to go. Your choice either way, I'm not trying to preach, as I said in my previous post, I'm not bothered what people eat.

I just don't think there was any need for so much fuss regarding Morrissey's request (not 'demand' as someone's earlier comment suggested).
Let's face it, how many of the people moaning actually had tickets to the concert anyway? Thought not....

ps. possibly your friends should get out a bit more if they're looking so pasty, it's pretty nice outdoors at the moment. ;)

Wish I'd known about this earlier. Could've been the world's first SAUSAGE ROLL TOUT.

I'm not a vegetarian but I have no problem with putting together a meal which doesn't include meat, and frankly (Mr Shankley) I find it baffling that there are people in the world whose brains shut down at the idea of a flesh-free dinner. You won't automatically turn into a whey-faced 7-stone weakling, nor will people assume you are gay. Why all the macho, chest-beating responses??