Big wheel set to return to York in the Museum Gardens

York Press: An artist’s impression of the new wheel behind the York Art Gallery in Exhibition Square An artist’s impression of the new wheel behind the York Art Gallery in Exhibition Square

A BIG wheel is set to return to York after plans were announced to site the huge tourist attraction in the Museum Gardens.

The 60-metre high wheel would offer stunning views of York Minster, the city centre, the River Ouse and St Mary’s Abbey in the gardens.

It would also provide a huge boost to the city’s crucial tourism sector – particularly the evening economy, as the wheel is set to stay open until 10pm.

A planning application for a three-year stay will be submitted next week to City of York Council by York Museums Trust and wheel operators Great City Attractions (GCA). If permission is granted, the wheel should be carrying passengers by next Easter.

Some of the profits from the wheel will go to the Trust, which will put the money towards a proposed £6 million revamp and expansion of York Art Gallery. Those plans, which would probably require lottery funding, include an extension into adjacent rooms occupied by the City Archives, which are moving elsewhere.

The wheel is set to be sited on a hidden area of land behind York Art Gallery, where derelict former Canadian air force huts are currently situated and would need to be demolished.

It will be similar to the one which was sited at the National Railway Museum between 2006 and 2008, which attracted hundreds of thousands of visitors.

The structure will be subtly lit with white lights and virtually silent in operation, and have 21 fully enclosed, air conditioned and heated capsules seating up to eight people each.

Visitors will be able to listen to a commentary about the views they can see and the history of the city, said trust chief executive Janet Barnes.

She said a new entrance would be created from Exhibition Square along the side of the gallery building, with access also provided from the abbey area.

She said the development was in line with the trust’s aims of connecting up the various buildings in the area to create what had been termed a “cultural quarter”.

A spokesman for GCA said it was the world’s leading owner and operator of giant observation wheels, and it was “really excited” about having one once again in York.

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9:37am Thu 2 Dec 10

pedalling paul says...

Sounds like an excellent compromise, which is deserving of Planning Consent. A useful income stream too, for the YMT which will benefit the Art Gallery.
Sounds like an excellent compromise, which is deserving of Planning Consent. A useful income stream too, for the YMT which will benefit the Art Gallery. pedalling paul
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10:26am Thu 2 Dec 10

Darren W says...

surely york council can think of something better than a ferris wheel what we going to do about all the businesses in york that are closing
surely york council can think of something better than a ferris wheel what we going to do about all the businesses in york that are closing Darren W
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10:41am Thu 2 Dec 10

Boatie says...

How will that work then? do the Trust own this most valuable site in Yorkl? a I don't think so. To give planning permission on this site would be crazy.
This plan by the trust shows a total disregard for the City as they are proving with their plans for the Castle Museum, how long must their antics be put up with by the City Council? Enough is enough.
How will that work then? do the Trust own this most valuable site in Yorkl? a I don't think so. To give planning permission on this site would be crazy. This plan by the trust shows a total disregard for the City as they are proving with their plans for the Castle Museum, how long must their antics be put up with by the City Council? Enough is enough. Boatie
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11:27am Thu 2 Dec 10

Maquis says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Sounds like an excellent compromise, which is deserving of Planning Consent. A useful income stream too, for the YMT which will benefit the Art Gallery.
*****NEWSFLASH******
*
He11 must have frozen over!,
I agree with Paul!
I need a sit down......
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Sounds like an excellent compromise, which is deserving of Planning Consent. A useful income stream too, for the YMT which will benefit the Art Gallery.[/p][/quote]*****NEWSFLASH****** * He11 must have frozen over!, I agree with Paul! I need a sit down...... Maquis
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11:31am Thu 2 Dec 10

notmyrealname says...

Will ANY visitors come to York because of this - concentrate on Yorks history and beautiful buildings ( such as the classic St Leonards place which is starting to look very run down ) and not this theme park tat - just climb the Minster Tower if you want a view of York
Planning must be refused ! IDIOTS
Will ANY visitors come to York because of this - concentrate on Yorks history and beautiful buildings ( such as the classic St Leonards place which is starting to look very run down ) and not this theme park tat - just climb the Minster Tower if you want a view of York Planning must be refused ! IDIOTS notmyrealname
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11:32am Thu 2 Dec 10

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Huh! There goes my television reception...
Huh! There goes my television reception... Ignatius Lumpopo
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11:35am Thu 2 Dec 10

Soothsayer17 says...

notmyrealname wrote:
Will ANY visitors come to York because of this - concentrate on Yorks history and beautiful buildings ( such as the classic St Leonards place which is starting to look very run down ) and not this theme park tat - just climb the Minster Tower if you want a view of York Planning must be refused ! IDIOTS
Fully agree.
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York should be trying to buck up its ideas and compete with places like Prague and Bruges - not Blackpool FFS.
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Can the council provide ANY evidence to back up their theory that people will come to York just to go on the wheel?
[quote][p][bold]notmyrealname[/bold] wrote: Will ANY visitors come to York because of this - concentrate on Yorks history and beautiful buildings ( such as the classic St Leonards place which is starting to look very run down ) and not this theme park tat - just climb the Minster Tower if you want a view of York Planning must be refused ! IDIOTS[/p][/quote]Fully agree. . York should be trying to buck up its ideas and compete with places like Prague and Bruges - not Blackpool FFS. . Can the council provide ANY evidence to back up their theory that people will come to York just to go on the wheel? Soothsayer17
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11:47am Thu 2 Dec 10

terranova says...

So the council supported uglification of York continues. Put it at the Designer Outlet like the skating Rink!

If It's as subtly lit as the last one it will again outshine the Minster.

Let's concentrate on what we have - be imaginitive - don't import this tat.
So the council supported uglification of York continues. Put it at the Designer Outlet like the skating Rink! If It's as subtly lit as the last one it will again outshine the Minster. Let's concentrate on what we have - be imaginitive - don't import this tat. terranova
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11:54am Thu 2 Dec 10

maybejustmaybe says...

Can someone explain to me where exactly the wheel is going? Cross examining google maps with the photo and knowing the size of the wheel, it seems to suggest it is being sited on Marygate, as there is no room behind the Art Gallery!
Can someone explain to me where exactly the wheel is going? Cross examining google maps with the photo and knowing the size of the wheel, it seems to suggest it is being sited on Marygate, as there is no room behind the Art Gallery! maybejustmaybe
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12:05pm Thu 2 Dec 10

York Fox says...

maybejustmaybe wrote:
Can someone explain to me where exactly the wheel is going? Cross examining google maps with the photo and knowing the size of the wheel, it seems to suggest it is being sited on Marygate, as there is no room behind the Art Gallery!
There is loads of wasted space behind the gallery.

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How can a free attraction like this be a bad thing when all it replaces are derelict prefab buildings? Even if it doesn't attract a single visitor then it is FREE and draws money for the Trust and to neighbouring businesses. Brilliant compromise.

Get it up!
[quote][p][bold]maybejustmaybe[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain to me where exactly the wheel is going? Cross examining google maps with the photo and knowing the size of the wheel, it seems to suggest it is being sited on Marygate, as there is no room behind the Art Gallery![/p][/quote]There is loads of wasted space behind the gallery. http://maps.google.c o.uk/maps?f=d&source =s_d&saddr=53.963332 ,-1.087046&daddr=&ge ocode=&gl=uk&hl=en&m ra=mift&mrsp=0&sz=19 &sll=53.963285,-1.08 6834&sspn=0.001166,0 .002406&ie=UTF8&t=h& z=19 How can a free attraction like this be a bad thing when all it replaces are derelict prefab buildings? Even if it doesn't attract a single visitor then it is FREE and draws money for the Trust and to neighbouring businesses. Brilliant compromise. Get it up! York Fox
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12:06pm Thu 2 Dec 10

York Fox says...

There is loads of wasted space behind the gallery.

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How can a free attraction like this be a bad thing when all it replaces are derelict prefab buildings? Even if it doesn't attract a single visitor then it is FREE and draws money for the Trust and to neighbouring businesses. Brilliant compromise.

Get it up!
There is loads of wasted space behind the gallery. http://maps.google.c o.uk/maps?f=d&source =s_d&saddr=53.963332 ,-1.087046&daddr=&ge ocode=&gl=uk&hl=en&m ra=mift&mrsp=0&sz=19 &sll=53.963285,-1.08 6834&sspn=0.001166,0 .002406&ie=UTF8&t=h& z=19 How can a free attraction like this be a bad thing when all it replaces are derelict prefab buildings? Even if it doesn't attract a single visitor then it is FREE and draws money for the Trust and to neighbouring businesses. Brilliant compromise. Get it up! York Fox
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12:09pm Thu 2 Dec 10

Soothsayer17 says...

York Fox wrote:
There is loads of wasted space behind the gallery. http://maps.google.c o.uk/maps?f=d&so
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amp;t=h& z=19 How can a free attraction like this be a bad thing when all it replaces are derelict prefab buildings? Even if it doesn't attract a single visitor then it is FREE and draws money for the Trust and to neighbouring businesses. Brilliant compromise. Get it up!
But it looks sh!t.
[quote][p][bold]York Fox[/bold] wrote: There is loads of wasted space behind the gallery. http://maps.google.c o.uk/maps?f=d&so urce =s_d&saddr=53.96 3332 ,-1.087046&daddr =&ge ocode=&gl=uk& ;hl=en&m ra=mift&mrsp=0&a mp;sz=19 &sll=53.963285,- 1.08 6834&sspn=0.0011 66,0 .002406&ie=UTF8& amp;t=h& z=19 How can a free attraction like this be a bad thing when all it replaces are derelict prefab buildings? Even if it doesn't attract a single visitor then it is FREE and draws money for the Trust and to neighbouring businesses. Brilliant compromise. Get it up![/p][/quote]But it looks sh!t. Soothsayer17
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12:17pm Thu 2 Dec 10

whitehorse says...

I want to know what happened to the reconstructed Globe Theatre that was going to go there. Much more use and a better income generator than a wheel which could go elsewhere. Anyone know where the theatre vanished to?
I want to know what happened to the reconstructed Globe Theatre that was going to go there. Much more use and a better income generator than a wheel which could go elsewhere. Anyone know where the theatre vanished to? whitehorse
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12:26pm Thu 2 Dec 10

Garrowby Turnoff says...

I give in. It's like a nagging kid whining "can we have one dad?" OK OK. But only as a test. If it causes rows - then down it comes... do you hear?
I give in. It's like a nagging kid whining "can we have one dad?" OK OK. But only as a test. If it causes rows - then down it comes... do you hear? Garrowby Turnoff
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12:39pm Thu 2 Dec 10

xpgold says...

notmyrealname, york says...
11:31am Thu 2 Dec 10
Will ANY visitors come to York because of this - concentrate on Yorks history and beautiful buildings ( such as the classic St Leonards place which is starting to look very run down ) and not this theme park tat - just climb the Minster Tower if you want a view of York
Planning must be refused ! IDIOTS

the last time it was here more than a million tourists came to see it..over the years we missed the chance to have an IMAX,(armstrong oilers site),an airport(elvington) and an ice rink(forsselius garage) we would be foolish to miss this oppertunity!!
notmyrealname, york says... 11:31am Thu 2 Dec 10 Will ANY visitors come to York because of this - concentrate on Yorks history and beautiful buildings ( such as the classic St Leonards place which is starting to look very run down ) and not this theme park tat - just climb the Minster Tower if you want a view of York Planning must be refused ! IDIOTS the last time it was here more than a million tourists came to see it..over the years we missed the chance to have an IMAX,(armstrong oilers site),an airport(elvington) and an ice rink(forsselius garage) we would be foolish to miss this oppertunity!! xpgold
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12:57pm Thu 2 Dec 10

TooRelaxed says...

I like Garrowby's analogy. *Someone* has indeed been very insistent.
Personally I think it's a bit tacky.
I went on the other one and my capsule description of the experience? Meh.
I like Garrowby's analogy. *Someone* has indeed been very insistent. Personally I think it's a bit tacky. I went on the other one and my capsule description of the experience? Meh. TooRelaxed
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1:07pm Thu 2 Dec 10

Jazzper says...

sheer madness to put it up there!, far too near the minster, can you imagine the picture postcards of york with that thing stuck there..o.m.g.
sheer madness to put it up there!, far too near the minster, can you imagine the picture postcards of york with that thing stuck there..o.m.g. Jazzper
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1:53pm Thu 2 Dec 10

meme says...

Great idea as another weapon in Yorks touristic armoury. Most major cities have a wheel to view the city from without I assume the huge fuss we have had about where it should go. What harm does it do?
Plus some of the monies go to the Gardens trust etc which has to be good for them
However we need more and I agree what happened to the roundhouse theatre as that would be another great draw to York
Great idea as another weapon in Yorks touristic armoury. Most major cities have a wheel to view the city from without I assume the huge fuss we have had about where it should go. What harm does it do?[Q. aimed at those who think its a bad idea] Plus some of the monies go to the Gardens trust etc which has to be good for them However we need more and I agree what happened to the roundhouse theatre as that would be another great draw to York meme
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2:50pm Thu 2 Dec 10

Boatie says...

It isn't the Council who is floating this crazy idea it is The Museum Trust and it certainly won't be free.

The Museum Trust should get on with what they were set up to do and manage the Museums and Art Gallery not become a Fair Ground Operator or would they be better at that rather than what they are currently doing? and planning to make a mess of the Castle Museum.
It isn't the Council who is floating this crazy idea it is The Museum Trust and it certainly won't be free. The Museum Trust should get on with what they were set up to do and manage the Museums and Art Gallery not become a Fair Ground Operator or would they be better at that rather than what they are currently doing? and planning to make a mess of the Castle Museum. Boatie
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2:54pm Thu 2 Dec 10

arg says...

No! No! No! No! No! thrice No! ad infinitum. It is an EYESORE and does not repeat NOT belong either in the Museum Gardens nor in York in any way shape or form. Lets start the oppose the wheel movement today.
No! No! No! No! No! thrice No! ad infinitum. It is an EYESORE and does not repeat NOT belong either in the Museum Gardens nor in York in any way shape or form. Lets start the oppose the wheel movement today. arg
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2:55pm Thu 2 Dec 10

arg says...

No! No! No! No! No! thrice No! ad infinitum. It is an EYESORE and does not repeat NOT belong either in the Museum Gardens nor in York in any way shape or form. Lets start the oppose the wheel movement today.
No! No! No! No! No! thrice No! ad infinitum. It is an EYESORE and does not repeat NOT belong either in the Museum Gardens nor in York in any way shape or form. Lets start the oppose the wheel movement today. arg
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3:03pm Thu 2 Dec 10

Kirksghost says...

Is this smoke and mirrors... a new York Museum trust venture announced to hide what they plan to do to the Castle Museum (see mondays news) ... close the top floor and remove even more objects for the public to see... people go to a museum to see objects... nearly 2,500 objects were removed to make way for empty spaces in the cells... did any go back in! Will any of those removed objects ever see the light of day again... workshops like that no longer exist. What was Kirks vision, to show people a fast disappearing past. I know its a hard choice but York Castle Museum is known for its wonderful and vast collection... will anyone see it in the future if you close bits down. Oh isn't all lottery money going to the Olympics?
Is this smoke and mirrors... a new York Museum trust venture announced to hide what they plan to do to the Castle Museum (see mondays news) ... close the top floor and remove even more objects for the public to see... people go to a museum to see objects... nearly 2,500 objects were removed to make way for empty spaces in the cells... did any go back in! Will any of those removed objects ever see the light of day again... workshops like that no longer exist. What was Kirks vision, to show people a fast disappearing past. I know its a hard choice but York Castle Museum is known for its wonderful and vast collection... will anyone see it in the future if you close bits down. Oh isn't all lottery money going to the Olympics? Kirksghost
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3:05pm Thu 2 Dec 10

yo30 dan says...

Is it going to go slower than last time? You could barely see the skyline if you blinked...
Is it going to go slower than last time? You could barely see the skyline if you blinked... yo30 dan
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4:03pm Thu 2 Dec 10

oldgoat says...

terranova wrote:
So the council supported uglification of York continues. Put it at the Designer Outlet like the skating Rink!

If It's as subtly lit as the last one it will again outshine the Minster.

Let's concentrate on what we have - be imaginitive - don't import this tat.
Best place for it is floating down the river, slowly sinking, never to be seen again.
Please, it was a novelty while it was here, but you really couldn't see much compared to tthe London Eye.

Let Designer Outlet have the think. About the same level of tat and tack there....
[quote][p][bold]terranova[/bold] wrote: So the council supported uglification of York continues. Put it at the Designer Outlet like the skating Rink! If It's as subtly lit as the last one it will again outshine the Minster. Let's concentrate on what we have - be imaginitive - don't import this tat.[/p][/quote]Best place for it is floating down the river, slowly sinking, never to be seen again. Please, it was a novelty while it was here, but you really couldn't see much compared to tthe London Eye. Let Designer Outlet have the think. About the same level of tat and tack there.... oldgoat
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4:11pm Thu 2 Dec 10

Boatie says...

Kirksghost wrote:
Is this smoke and mirrors... a new York Museum trust venture announced to hide what they plan to do to the Castle Museum (see mondays news) ... close the top floor and remove even more objects for the public to see... people go to a museum to see objects... nearly 2,500 objects were removed to make way for empty spaces in the cells... did any go back in! Will any of those removed objects ever see the light of day again... workshops like that no longer exist. What was Kirks vision, to show people a fast disappearing past. I know its a hard choice but York Castle Museum is known for its wonderful and vast collection... will anyone see it in the future if you close bits down. Oh isn't all lottery money going to the Olympics?
It seems to me that the Museum Trust have no sense of York's history and scant regard for Kirk's memory. What really should happen is for the trust to be wound up and management of our City's historic collections be given to York Archeological Trust who are an exemplor of what a trust in the history and collections business should do.
[quote][p][bold]Kirksghost[/bold] wrote: Is this smoke and mirrors... a new York Museum trust venture announced to hide what they plan to do to the Castle Museum (see mondays news) ... close the top floor and remove even more objects for the public to see... people go to a museum to see objects... nearly 2,500 objects were removed to make way for empty spaces in the cells... did any go back in! Will any of those removed objects ever see the light of day again... workshops like that no longer exist. What was Kirks vision, to show people a fast disappearing past. I know its a hard choice but York Castle Museum is known for its wonderful and vast collection... will anyone see it in the future if you close bits down. Oh isn't all lottery money going to the Olympics?[/p][/quote]It seems to me that the Museum Trust have no sense of York's history and scant regard for Kirk's memory. What really should happen is for the trust to be wound up and management of our City's historic collections be given to York Archeological Trust who are an exemplor of what a trust in the history and collections business should do. Boatie
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4:57pm Thu 2 Dec 10

yorkandproud says...

This rancid idea rears its ugly head yet again. The company who own the wheel seem to be very, very insistent. This site is far to close to the gem, that is York Minster. I say No, No No, but my palm is not wide open waiting to be greased. Museums Trust hang your short sighted heads in shame, and you too COY council, if you pass this unnecessary eyesore, right in the centre of out beautiful city.
This rancid idea rears its ugly head yet again. The company who own the wheel seem to be very, very insistent. This site is far to close to the gem, that is York Minster. I say No, No No, but my palm is not wide open waiting to be greased. Museums Trust hang your short sighted heads in shame, and you too COY council, if you pass this unnecessary eyesore, right in the centre of out beautiful city. yorkandproud
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5:01pm Thu 2 Dec 10

euroinforitnow says...

notmyrealname wrote:
Will ANY visitors come to York because of this - concentrate on Yorks history and beautiful buildings ( such as the classic St Leonards place which is starting to look very run down ) and not this theme park tat - just climb the Minster Tower if you want a view of York Planning must be refused ! IDIOTS
Presumably St Leonard's Place looks the way it does because the council are waiting to move out and see little point in refurbishing something which they will vacate soon. As for the wheel, why not if it generates cash which will be used for the Art Gallery ?
[quote][p][bold]notmyrealname[/bold] wrote: Will ANY visitors come to York because of this - concentrate on Yorks history and beautiful buildings ( such as the classic St Leonards place which is starting to look very run down ) and not this theme park tat - just climb the Minster Tower if you want a view of York Planning must be refused ! IDIOTS[/p][/quote]Presumably St Leonard's Place looks the way it does because the council are waiting to move out and see little point in refurbishing something which they will vacate soon. As for the wheel, why not if it generates cash which will be used for the Art Gallery ? euroinforitnow
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5:06pm Thu 2 Dec 10

euroinforitnow says...

Boatie wrote:
How will that work then? do the Trust own this most valuable site in Yorkl? a I don't think so. To give planning permission on this site would be crazy. This plan by the trust shows a total disregard for the City as they are proving with their plans for the Castle Museum, how long must their antics be put up with by the City Council? Enough is enough.
I believe that the Museums Trust actually do own the Gardens as successors to the Yorkshire Philosophical Society. They are responsible for the maintenance and planning of the gardens.
[quote][p][bold]Boatie[/bold] wrote: How will that work then? do the Trust own this most valuable site in Yorkl? a I don't think so. To give planning permission on this site would be crazy. This plan by the trust shows a total disregard for the City as they are proving with their plans for the Castle Museum, how long must their antics be put up with by the City Council? Enough is enough.[/p][/quote]I believe that the Museums Trust actually do own the Gardens as successors to the Yorkshire Philosophical Society. They are responsible for the maintenance and planning of the gardens. euroinforitnow
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5:13pm Thu 2 Dec 10

GBTYZ says...

once again how many times do we have to say WE DO NOT WANT YOUR WHEEL as a city centre deweller I dont want to look out of my window at this monstrosity it will detract from Yorks historic skyline if you want to see York with the angels climb the Minster or if your not that fit book a helicopter ride. Mrs Barnes should concentrate on doing what she is contracted to do and not become a fairgroung ride operator she need to clean up the museum gardens a pig sty at the best of times a haven for louts, drug adicts, street drinkers and liter bugs. I agree with Boatie lets get rid of the muesum trust and let York Archeological Trust run the muesum and art gallery.
once again how many times do we have to say WE DO NOT WANT YOUR WHEEL as a city centre deweller I dont want to look out of my window at this monstrosity it will detract from Yorks historic skyline if you want to see York with the angels climb the Minster or if your not that fit book a helicopter ride. Mrs Barnes should concentrate on doing what she is contracted to do and not become a fairgroung ride operator she need to clean up the museum gardens a pig sty at the best of times a haven for louts, drug adicts, street drinkers and liter bugs. I agree with Boatie lets get rid of the muesum trust and let York Archeological Trust run the muesum and art gallery. GBTYZ
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5:23pm Thu 2 Dec 10

euroinforitnow says...

Soothsayer17 wrote:
notmyrealname wrote: Will ANY visitors come to York because of this - concentrate on Yorks history and beautiful buildings ( such as the classic St Leonards place which is starting to look very run down ) and not this theme park tat - just climb the Minster Tower if you want a view of York Planning must be refused ! IDIOTS
Fully agree. . York should be trying to buck up its ideas and compete with places like Prague and Bruges - not Blackpool FFS. . Can the council provide ANY evidence to back up their theory that people will come to York just to go on the wheel?
Bruges has a funfair between the station and city centre. Anyway, York can't compete with it, nor should it try. It's twice the size of York, was the artistic capital of Europe, and is one of the major cities of Belgium. As for Prague, forget it. Not only the capital city but arguably Europe's most beautiful city. York is in a different league, more like Troyes or Avignon in size and character. Anyway, as for bucking its ideas up, York is already number three in weekend visits in the UK after London and Manchester, though for different reasons I suspect and had seven million visitors last year.
[quote][p][bold]Soothsayer17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notmyrealname[/bold] wrote: Will ANY visitors come to York because of this - concentrate on Yorks history and beautiful buildings ( such as the classic St Leonards place which is starting to look very run down ) and not this theme park tat - just climb the Minster Tower if you want a view of York Planning must be refused ! IDIOTS[/p][/quote]Fully agree. . York should be trying to buck up its ideas and compete with places like Prague and Bruges - not Blackpool FFS. . Can the council provide ANY evidence to back up their theory that people will come to York just to go on the wheel?[/p][/quote]Bruges has a funfair between the station and city centre. Anyway, York can't compete with it, nor should it try. It's twice the size of York, was the artistic capital of Europe, and is one of the major cities of Belgium. As for Prague, forget it. Not only the capital city but arguably Europe's most beautiful city. York is in a different league, more like Troyes or Avignon in size and character. Anyway, as for bucking its ideas up, York is already number three in weekend visits in the UK after London and Manchester, though for different reasons I suspect and had seven million visitors last year. euroinforitnow
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5:43pm Thu 2 Dec 10

Mr John says...

I wish the Council would concentrate on encouraging the generation of real jobs so that we don't have to travel to West Yorkshire for work everyday.

It seems the Council are only interested in generating minimum wage jobs for the tourist trade and the supermarket industry.
I wish the Council would concentrate on encouraging the generation of real jobs so that we don't have to travel to West Yorkshire for work everyday. It seems the Council are only interested in generating minimum wage jobs for the tourist trade and the supermarket industry. Mr John
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7:34pm Thu 2 Dec 10

Boatie says...

euroinforitnow wrote:
Boatie wrote: How will that work then? do the Trust own this most valuable site in Yorkl? a I don't think so. To give planning permission on this site would be crazy. This plan by the trust shows a total disregard for the City as they are proving with their plans for the Castle Museum, how long must their antics be put up with by the City Council? Enough is enough.
I believe that the Museums Trust actually do own the Gardens as successors to the Yorkshire Philosophical Society. They are responsible for the maintenance and planning of the gardens.
Quite correct the Museum Gardens are managed by The Museum Trust although still owned by the City Council. However the land behind the Art Gallery where it is proposed to site this "Big WQheel" is not in the Museum Gardens, it is behind the Art Gallery currently the home to some derelict (or semi derelict) world war 2 buildings, my information is that this land was not transferred to be managed by the trust when the trust was formed by thre City Council. It is probably the most undeveloped piece of land in the City Centre and surely must be used for a far better project.

How this will contribute to the "Cultural Quarter" as suggested by the trust's Chief Executive is to devalue the whole concept of a "Cultural Quarter"as Scrooge would say" Bah Humbug"
[quote][p][bold]euroinforitnow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boatie[/bold] wrote: How will that work then? do the Trust own this most valuable site in Yorkl? a I don't think so. To give planning permission on this site would be crazy. This plan by the trust shows a total disregard for the City as they are proving with their plans for the Castle Museum, how long must their antics be put up with by the City Council? Enough is enough.[/p][/quote]I believe that the Museums Trust actually do own the Gardens as successors to the Yorkshire Philosophical Society. They are responsible for the maintenance and planning of the gardens.[/p][/quote]Quite correct the Museum Gardens are managed by The Museum Trust although still owned by the City Council. However the land behind the Art Gallery where it is proposed to site this "Big WQheel" is not in the Museum Gardens, it is behind the Art Gallery currently the home to some derelict (or semi derelict) world war 2 buildings, my information is that this land was not transferred to be managed by the trust when the trust was formed by thre City Council. It is probably the most undeveloped piece of land in the City Centre and surely must be used for a far better project. How this will contribute to the "Cultural Quarter" as suggested by the trust's Chief Executive is to devalue the whole concept of a "Cultural Quarter"as Scrooge would say" Bah Humbug" Boatie
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7:56pm Thu 2 Dec 10

Really wanna be a baaaad boy says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Sounds like an excellent compromise, which is deserving of Planning Consent. A useful income stream too, for the YMT which will benefit the Art Gallery.
Paul, can this be reached on the orbital cycle route?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Sounds like an excellent compromise, which is deserving of Planning Consent. A useful income stream too, for the YMT which will benefit the Art Gallery.[/p][/quote]Paul, can this be reached on the orbital cycle route? Really wanna be a baaaad boy
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9:46pm Thu 2 Dec 10

pedalling paul says...

Yes if you pedal along Water End and at Clifton Green, divert right along Clifton/Bootham with its advisory cycle lanes.
Yes if you pedal along Water End and at Clifton Green, divert right along Clifton/Bootham with its advisory cycle lanes. pedalling paul
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11:14pm Thu 2 Dec 10

Really wanna be a baaaad boy says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Yes if you pedal along Water End and at Clifton Green, divert right along Clifton/Bootham with its advisory cycle lanes.
Fabulous. I will be able to mow a few of the pests down in my giant 7 seater 4x4 then when im off city centre shopping.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Yes if you pedal along Water End and at Clifton Green, divert right along Clifton/Bootham with its advisory cycle lanes.[/p][/quote]Fabulous. I will be able to mow a few of the pests down in my giant 7 seater 4x4 then when im off city centre shopping. Really wanna be a baaaad boy
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11:58am Fri 3 Dec 10

again says...

Really wanna be a baaaad boy wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Yes if you pedal along Water End and at Clifton Green, divert right along Clifton/Bootham with its advisory cycle lanes.
Fabulous. I will be able to mow a few of the pests down in my giant 7 seater 4x4 then when im off city centre shopping.
Ooohh ! Aren't you the bad little boy!

Anyway, I am agin this ludicrous idea. Clearly what York needs to liven it up is a monster statue of Mickey Mouse to remind us of the council.
[quote][p][bold]Really wanna be a baaaad boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Yes if you pedal along Water End and at Clifton Green, divert right along Clifton/Bootham with its advisory cycle lanes.[/p][/quote]Fabulous. I will be able to mow a few of the pests down in my giant 7 seater 4x4 then when im off city centre shopping.[/p][/quote]Ooohh ! Aren't you the bad little boy! Anyway, I am agin this ludicrous idea. Clearly what York needs to liven it up is a monster statue of Mickey Mouse to remind us of the council. again
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12:31pm Fri 3 Dec 10

Lizzie Browning says...

What a lot of fuss. I think its a good idea and of course it will attract visitors. Its not here forever, its a helping hand to the tourist trade in these difficult times - get over it.
What a lot of fuss. I think its a good idea and of course it will attract visitors. Its not here forever, its a helping hand to the tourist trade in these difficult times - get over it. Lizzie Browning
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2:02pm Fri 3 Dec 10

meme says...

What is all the fuss about
its a great addition to York
Only temporary and all helps in todays world
How shortsighted of the detractors to knock it. is it because its change and all change is bad?
No one uses the gardens here and its a good use for effective waste land
Look beyond the wheel.We need tourists and work York needs to evolve to compete.Its already losing trade as the new Coppergate/Piccadill
y scheme has been delayed for years and we cannot compete against Leeds/Harrogate etc. Now there is talk of a huge out of town extension at Monks Cross that will hurt City Centre even more unless it constantly attracts new people
We ahve to change and frankly I for one would support a funfair in the gardens if it would attract more people to York
What is all the fuss about its a great addition to York Only temporary and all helps in todays world How shortsighted of the detractors to knock it. is it because its change and all change is bad? No one uses the gardens here and its a good use for effective waste land Look beyond the wheel.We need tourists and work York needs to evolve to compete.Its already losing trade as the new Coppergate/Piccadill y scheme has been delayed for years and we cannot compete against Leeds/Harrogate etc. Now there is talk of a huge out of town extension at Monks Cross [as the stadium seems to be more important politicaly for Councillors than its potential effect on the majority] that will hurt City Centre even more unless it constantly attracts new people We ahve to change and frankly I for one would support a funfair in the gardens if it would attract more people to York meme
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2:09pm Fri 3 Dec 10

GBTYZ says...

well said againyork but wouldn't a giant statue of a clown be better suited to remind us of the council
well said againyork but wouldn't a giant statue of a clown be better suited to remind us of the council GBTYZ
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2:14pm Fri 3 Dec 10

GBTYZ says...

meme of Skelton if you want a ferris wheel lets put it in your garden and see how you like it. The wheel will detract from Yorks unique skyline and its unique because we dont have a wheel and long be it so.
meme of Skelton if you want a ferris wheel lets put it in your garden and see how you like it. The wheel will detract from Yorks unique skyline and its unique because we dont have a wheel and long be it so. GBTYZ
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3:22pm Fri 3 Dec 10

moneyforwhat says...

we've had a wheel...couldn't we concentrate on something different and rather more permanent. I would love to see a mini Beamish type musem grow in the buildings around the Railway museum. There are some fantastic red brick buidlings in the area which are so in keeping with the railway theme. Could provide for some good shops too, especially due to the excellent neighbour of the Railway Museum. Elsecar Heritage centre have done theirs well.
we've had a wheel...couldn't we concentrate on something different and rather more permanent. I would love to see a mini Beamish type musem grow in the buildings around the Railway museum. There are some fantastic red brick buidlings in the area which are so in keeping with the railway theme. Could provide for some good shops too, especially due to the excellent neighbour of the Railway Museum. Elsecar Heritage centre have done theirs well. moneyforwhat
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3:48pm Fri 3 Dec 10

Big Bad Wolf says...

arg wrote:
No! No! No! No! No! thrice No! ad infinitum. It is an EYESORE and does not repeat NOT belong either in the Museum Gardens nor in York in any way shape or form. Lets start the oppose the wheel movement today.
So you're against the idea then Arg?
[quote][p][bold]arg[/bold] wrote: No! No! No! No! No! thrice No! ad infinitum. It is an EYESORE and does not repeat NOT belong either in the Museum Gardens nor in York in any way shape or form. Lets start the oppose the wheel movement today.[/p][/quote]So you're against the idea then Arg? Big Bad Wolf
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6:57pm Sat 4 Dec 10

Duck in the hedge says...

Great idea, great location, and great for York's tourist industry. It will draw people into the bars, restaurants and shops in the city centre, and just what the local economy needs. It's a win win situation.
It's got my vote !
Great idea, great location, and great for York's tourist industry. It will draw people into the bars, restaurants and shops in the city centre, and just what the local economy needs. It's a win win situation. It's got my vote ! Duck in the hedge
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10:01pm Sat 4 Dec 10

LizM says...

We don't want the wheel - it won't enhance York or bring any more tourists to it, just give profits to the company who have repeatedly tried to bring it to York.

Re the Canadian huts - is there any heritage value there? I know York is teeming with history but surely it needs to be looked at as to whether they should be kept, and maybe restored and used as a memorial/museum of York during the war.

In order for York to keep bringing in the tourist pound/dollar/yen/eur
o etc. it has to have a unique selling point which encourage tourists to choose to visit rather than go elsewhere. Look around at other cities and you'll see wheels - maybe by being wheelfree, we can have that little something special. Tourists only have so much cash to spend, and if there's a wheel, they might go up it rather than spend money going up the Tower in the Minster - that's money lost to keep our most impressive monument for current and future generations. We need to keep our tourist money for the fabric and culture of York, not for the pockets of businesses such as GCA. There must be quite a bit of money to be made, otherwise they wouldn't keep trying to dump their monstrocity.
We don't want the wheel - it won't enhance York or bring any more tourists to it, just give profits to the company who have repeatedly tried to bring it to York. Re the Canadian huts - is there any heritage value there? I know York is teeming with history but surely it needs to be looked at as to whether they should be kept, and maybe restored and used as a memorial/museum of York during the war. In order for York to keep bringing in the tourist pound/dollar/yen/eur o etc. it has to have a unique selling point which encourage tourists to choose to visit rather than go elsewhere. Look around at other cities and you'll see wheels - maybe by being wheelfree, we can have that little something special. Tourists only have so much cash to spend, and if there's a wheel, they might go up it rather than spend money going up the Tower in the Minster - that's money lost to keep our most impressive monument for current and future generations. We need to keep our tourist money for the fabric and culture of York, not for the pockets of businesses such as GCA. There must be quite a bit of money to be made, otherwise they wouldn't keep trying to dump their monstrocity. LizM
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2:29am Mon 6 Dec 10

Magicman! says...

^ - who is this 'we' that LizM is talking about? I am not aware that my opinion was being put forward for me, without my being consulted on this matter!!

about time it came back! York hasn't felt the same without a wheel on the skyline. It's another thing that can be added on a list of things that people's friends want to do when spending the day/weekend in the city. Plus the wheel gives out brilliant night views of York (and think too what the view would be like with everywhere covered on snow!).
^ - who is this 'we' that LizM is talking about? I am not aware that my opinion was being put forward for me, without my being consulted on this matter!! about time it came back! York hasn't felt the same without a wheel on the skyline. It's another thing that can be added on a list of things that people's friends want to do when spending the day/weekend in the city. Plus the wheel gives out brilliant night views of York (and think too what the view would be like with everywhere covered on snow!). Magicman!
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10:05am Mon 6 Dec 10

Duck in the hedge says...

I agree with Magician - the wheel is indeed magical !
It's an attractive piece of engineering, and like the London eye, it adds interest to York's dull skyline (with the exception of the Minster).
These are clearly popular tourist attractions and generate income for the landowner, and tax, mostly from tourists many of whom will be from overseas.
I think detractors are being both shortsighted and snobbish.
I agree with Magician - the wheel is indeed magical ! It's an attractive piece of engineering, and like the London eye, it adds interest to York's dull skyline (with the exception of the Minster). These are clearly popular tourist attractions and generate income for the landowner, and tax, mostly from tourists many of whom will be from overseas. I think detractors are being both shortsighted and snobbish. Duck in the hedge
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11:21am Mon 6 Dec 10

LizM says...

Read the other comments and you will see that I'm not the only person who feels that the wheel would be an unnecessary eyesore.

I'm certainly not shortsighted nor snobbish - please reread my comment to appreciate my opinion and argument.

I thought the comment facility was to give readers the opportunity to put forward their opinion, not to be rude or belittle other readers
Read the other comments and you will see that I'm not the only person who feels that the wheel would be an unnecessary eyesore. I'm certainly not shortsighted nor snobbish - please reread my comment to appreciate my opinion and argument. I thought the comment facility was to give readers the opportunity to put forward their opinion, not to be rude or belittle other readers LizM
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2:46pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Mr Udigawa says...

Really wanna be a baaaad boy wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Yes if you pedal along Water End and at Clifton Green, divert right along Clifton/Bootham with its advisory cycle lanes.
Fabulous. I will be able to mow a few of the pests down in my giant 7 seater 4x4 then when im off city centre shopping.
Absolutely priceless. Top post of the year.
Reel em in eh Paul? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Really wanna be a baaaad boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Yes if you pedal along Water End and at Clifton Green, divert right along Clifton/Bootham with its advisory cycle lanes.[/p][/quote]Fabulous. I will be able to mow a few of the pests down in my giant 7 seater 4x4 then when im off city centre shopping.[/p][/quote]Absolutely priceless. Top post of the year. Reel em in eh Paul? ;-) Mr Udigawa
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11:12pm Mon 6 Dec 10

york_chap says...

OPening til 10 at night - the only people round the art gallery at that time are tramps and drunks. Get them on the wheel an they'll be puking like nobody's business.
OPening til 10 at night - the only people round the art gallery at that time are tramps and drunks. Get them on the wheel an they'll be puking like nobody's business. york_chap
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2:30pm Wed 8 Dec 10

YorkDavid says...

So the Yorkshire Wheel when next to the Railway museum was rated 46th out of 72 attractions in York (TripAdvisor), with comments that ‘York is much much prettier at ground level’, what visitors would appear to enjoy are the ‘Ghosts’ and history of the City.
How would this be changed by the planned 60metre high wheel, which would be:
• only 250metres from the West Front of the Minster and it’s 56metre high towers,
• surrounded by buildings of note like Kings Manor, St Marys, and the Hospitium within the Museum Gardens an area of calm and quiet within central York,
• next to busy main road (Bootham A19) which could cause traffic problems, perhaps even accidents, along with possible further access problems to Marygate,
• overlooking a school, and residential properties.

There would appear to be little sensitively and consideration been taken, and it is seriously threatening our city’s visual heritage.

‘Attractions’ are welcome in any city, along with the financial gain that they can bring, but they do need to be sited sensitively within consideration on the visual impact they would have on the skyline.

Surely the best view of our city and the surrounding countryside is given from the minster itself and the 71metre high lantern tower.
So the Yorkshire Wheel when next to the Railway museum was rated 46th out of 72 attractions in York (TripAdvisor), with comments that ‘York is much much prettier at ground level’, what visitors would appear to enjoy are the ‘Ghosts’ and history of the City. How would this be changed by the planned 60metre high wheel, which would be: • only 250metres from the West Front of the Minster and it’s 56metre high towers, • surrounded by buildings of note like Kings Manor, St Marys, and the Hospitium within the Museum Gardens an area of calm and quiet within central York, • next to busy main road (Bootham A19) which could cause traffic problems, perhaps even accidents, along with possible further access problems to Marygate, • overlooking a school, and residential properties. There would appear to be little sensitively and consideration been taken, and it is seriously threatening our city’s visual heritage. ‘Attractions’ are welcome in any city, along with the financial gain that they can bring, but they do need to be sited sensitively within consideration on the visual impact they would have on the skyline. Surely the best view of our city and the surrounding countryside is given from the minster itself and the 71metre high lantern tower. YorkDavid
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