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12:00pm Monday 30th August 2010 in News
Exclusive By Jennifer Bell, jennifer.bell@thepress.co.uk
CAMERAS could be placed in the cars of cab drivers in York who fear for their safety.
City of York Council is to bid for funding from Safer York Partnership to buy a “bank” of the tiny devices, which cost about £400 each and will provide female drivers with extra protection against threatening passengers. The move follows a six-month trial where one of the cameras, which are small enough to fit into a car’s cigarette lighter, was fitted in a cab.
Women drivers will get priority.
If cash is provided, it would mean drivers no longer having to pay for the added safety measure out of their own pockets.
John Lacy, the council’s licensing manager, said: “A number of months ago, there were several incidents in York and, as a result, we approached the Safer York Partnership to trial a camera in a cab.
“The cab drivers are very concerned about their personal safety in vehicles as a number of assaults have occurred in their cars.”
Mr Lacy said the trial had been an “extremely good” way of tracking aggressive behaviour and harassment in cabs, which had led to the application for funding to roll the cameras out further among the city’s fleet of cabs.
Two years ago, the council gave its approval for fixed cameras to be placed in taxis and private hire vehicles as long as they met a number of rules, such as letting passengers know they were being filmed, and passed safety regulations. The guidelines also stipulated the footage from the cameras could only be downloaded by council or police officers.
“The cab drivers already have approval to install cameras in their cars, but unfortunately because of lack of funding they have to be funded by themselves,” said Mr Lacy.
York taxi driver Graham Phillips said: “There are a lot of woman cab drivers out at night, especially in the private hire trade, who feel vulnerable.
“Imagine a day such as after the York Races when a man or a group of men want to be taken somewhere miles away such as Hull. Female drivers feel tentative about taking a fare such as this on.
“It is a great concern to the trade and is worrying to both sexes, but especially women, because they have the double jeopardy fear of being both attacked and assaulted sexually. The council should be looking at funding cameras for all taxi drivers.”
Earlier this month, The Press reported how one taxi driver was robbed by passengers who asked him to take them from the city centre to a village near York.
In March, The Press revealed how a taxi driver was punched by passengers while driving through York, less than a week after one of his colleagues was robbed at knifepoint.
Comments(44)
Little Connie
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12:09pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Get-a-grip
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12:10pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Council Care Worker
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12:24pm Mon 30 Aug 10
PKH
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12:49pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Council Care Worker wrote:Could not agree more, they should get together so they have some purchasing clout and buy them themselves, not expect money to be taken from more desrving causes
Unbelievable!!!!! Whilst the council are making massive cuts that are having a serious impact on societies most vulnerable people it would seem that they are also considering throwing tax payers money at others! Whilst I acknowledge that taxi drivers, bus drivers, people who walk/cycle to work alone etc etc are at risk from muggers/attackers/lo w-life scum attacking them, arent we all? If taxi-drivers feel the need for cameras then they should pay for them! The banks pay for their security systems, as do the the little corner shops and those of us who carry personal attack alarms purchase ours out of our own funds! Is there a remote chance that one day each and every person will realise that we are all responsible for our own safety?
TooRelaxed
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12:58pm Mon 30 Aug 10
yorkshirelad
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1:05pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Taxi Drivers wife
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2:03pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Council Care Worker
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2:18pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Taxi Drivers wife wrote:I provide a service to the general public, as do the people at Nestle who make the choccie bars that I eat to keep me going, as does the little man who owns a corner store that I buy my milk from, as does .................. need I go on?
Why shouldn't the Council fund this scheme? The charges alone for an annual taxi license would more than cover this rather than the Council profitting for each and every individual taxi driver in the area. Therefore, it is a FACT that the money would NOT come out of the tax payers pocket. Taxi drivers provide a service to the general public - it is the general public who are committing such aforementioned crimes more often than not, after getting THEMSELVES overly drunk. Any taxi driver would feel tentative taking on a long journey such as Hull - my husband has had several non payers and "runners" on long journeys and even the shortest of journeys. Why should he be threatened with a knife? Why should his children not have a father should someone actually kill him? Why should justice not be done in catching such low lives? It is not every individual person of the public who are committing these crimes - and it is certainly not every taxi driver who drives as dangerously as the previous comment stated - seems like a typical case of stereotyping to me. Maybe also FACTS could be gained before comments that are completely untrue are made.
Taxi Drivers wife
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2:24pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Council Care Worker
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2:31pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Taxi Drivers wife wrote:You stated that your husband provided a service to the general public. I am merely pointing out that the vast majority of us provide a service to the general public in some way, shape or form. If we need extra security it is up to ourselves or our employers to provide that! If your hubby is self-employed it unfortunately his problem to resolve and pay for! It certainly isnt down to the tax-payer! As far as I can see your hubby isnt employed by the state.
Im sorry, I can not recall any story of Nestle workers being attacked by the people who buy their chocolate bars? Security is already provided by the council in the way of street cameras for market traders?? need I go on?.........
Guy Fawkes
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3:08pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Women drivers will get priority.
Tkmax
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3:50pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Council Care Worker
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3:53pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Tkmax wrote:Thanks for that Tkmax! I am making a huge assumption but as you care so little, have the tax payers paid for a bottle of cider for you?
What a moaning bunch of people u all are get a life
Council Care Worker
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3:53pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Tkmax wrote:Thanks for that Tkmax! I am making a huge assumption but as you care so little, have the tax payers paid for a bottle of cider for you?
What a moaning bunch of people u all are get a life
Council Care Worker
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3:53pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Tkmax wrote:Thanks for that Tkmax! I am making a huge assumption but as you care so little, have the tax payers paid for a bottle of cider for you?
What a moaning bunch of people u all are get a life
Ben Guela
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4:08pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Guy Fawkes wrote:I totally support this post.
I agree with Council Care Worker. Why should York's council tax payers be covering the operating expenses of a private business (i.e. a taxi cab firm or self-employed driver)? They don't pay for the burglar alarm in my house, nor do they provide me with a bodyguard when I walk home late at night, so why should they foot the bill for taxi drivers' security measures?Women drivers will get priority.And this is completely wrong. Equal opportunities means equal responsibilities. No-one forces women to become cab drivers, and I see no reason why they should take priority for any benefit of the job. No taxi driver, male or female, should have to put up with abuse or worse from their customers, and if the police gave greater priority to this kind of crime (which really does have a victim), and less to nicking drivers doing 31mph on a deserted city street or putting their wheelie bin out on the wrong day, there would be less of it. But I'm sorry; I don't see why women should take priority. They don't pay higher taxes than men and no-one forces them to take a job in which they might find themselves having to deal with the dregs of society on a Friday or Saturday night. Furthermore, crime statistics show clearly that men are an order of magnitude more likely to be the victim of violent crime than women.
retrorigg
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4:20pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Tkmax
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5:40pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Council Care Worker wrote:No actually they have not mate I pay my taxes like any other hard working person but u all make assumptions all taxi drivers are idiots if it wasn't for all u idiots that can't handle ur drink and cause trouble for the taxi drivers then they would not need them would they the taxi drivers pay there tax just like any other person so all they are doing is asking for a little bit of that back to improve there place of work and make them safe
Tkmax wrote:Thanks for that Tkmax! I am making a huge assumption but as you care so little, have the tax payers paid for a bottle of cider for you?
What a moaning bunch of people u all are get a life
ak7274
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5:52pm Mon 30 Aug 10
matroom
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6:21pm Mon 30 Aug 10
PKH
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6:27pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Taxi Drivers wife wrote:Taxes do not pay for cctv on trains or buses providing a public service so WHY are taxis any different, neither do the council provide cctv for the small independant corner shops which have to pay business rates and whose owners have to work all hours to make ends meet they have just as much chance of being attacked and robbed.
Why shouldn't the Council fund this scheme? The charges alone for an annual taxi license would more than cover this rather than the Council profitting for each and every individual taxi driver in the area. Therefore, it is a FACT that the money would NOT come out of the tax payers pocket. Taxi drivers provide a service to the general public - it is the general public who are committing such aforementioned crimes more often than not, after getting THEMSELVES overly drunk. Any taxi driver would feel tentative taking on a long journey such as Hull - my husband has had several non payers and "runners" on long journeys and even the shortest of journeys. Why should he be threatened with a knife? Why should his children not have a father should someone actually kill him? Why should justice not be done in catching such low lives? It is not every individual person of the public who are committing these crimes - and it is certainly not every taxi driver who drives as dangerously as the previous comment stated - seems like a typical case of stereotyping to me. Maybe also FACTS could be gained before comments that are completely untrue are made.
matroom
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6:37pm Mon 30 Aug 10
PKH wrote:Calm down mate, youll give yourself a heart attack(with any luck). Whats wrong, did a taxi driver run off with your wife, taking your house and car with him, takingyou to the cleaners, leaving you penniless and with a bitter, bitter taste in your mouth with anything to do with Taxis ?? Warm bath and a razor blade is what you want pal !!
Taxi Drivers wife wrote:Taxes do not pay for cctv on trains or buses providing a public service so WHY are taxis any different, neither do the council provide cctv for the small independant corner shops which have to pay business rates and whose owners have to work all hours to make ends meet they have just as much chance of being attacked and robbed.
Why shouldn't the Council fund this scheme? The charges alone for an annual taxi license would more than cover this rather than the Council profitting for each and every individual taxi driver in the area. Therefore, it is a FACT that the money would NOT come out of the tax payers pocket. Taxi drivers provide a service to the general public - it is the general public who are committing such aforementioned crimes more often than not, after getting THEMSELVES overly drunk. Any taxi driver would feel tentative taking on a long journey such as Hull - my husband has had several non payers and "runners" on long journeys and even the shortest of journeys. Why should he be threatened with a knife? Why should his children not have a father should someone actually kill him? Why should justice not be done in catching such low lives? It is not every individual person of the public who are committing these crimes - and it is certainly not every taxi driver who drives as dangerously as the previous comment stated - seems like a typical case of stereotyping to me. Maybe also FACTS could be gained before comments that are completely untrue are made.
Tkmax
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6:59pm Mon 30 Aug 10
matroom wrote:MAtroom Clifton caravan site person thank u for speaking some sense into these idiots
PKH wrote:Calm down mate, youll give yourself a heart attack(with any luck). Whats wrong, did a taxi driver run off with your wife, taking your house and car with him, takingyou to the cleaners, leaving you penniless and with a bitter, bitter taste in your mouth with anything to do with Taxis ?? Warm bath and a razor blade is what you want pal !!
Taxi Drivers wife wrote:Taxes do not pay for cctv on trains or buses providing a public service so WHY are taxis any different, neither do the council provide cctv for the small independant corner shops which have to pay business rates and whose owners have to work all hours to make ends meet they have just as much chance of being attacked and robbed.
Why shouldn't the Council fund this scheme? The charges alone for an annual taxi license would more than cover this rather than the Council profitting for each and every individual taxi driver in the area. Therefore, it is a FACT that the money would NOT come out of the tax payers pocket. Taxi drivers provide a service to the general public - it is the general public who are committing such aforementioned crimes more often than not, after getting THEMSELVES overly drunk. Any taxi driver would feel tentative taking on a long journey such as Hull - my husband has had several non payers and "runners" on long journeys and even the shortest of journeys. Why should he be threatened with a knife? Why should his children not have a father should someone actually kill him? Why should justice not be done in catching such low lives? It is not every individual person of the public who are committing these crimes - and it is certainly not every taxi driver who drives as dangerously as the previous comment stated - seems like a typical case of stereotyping to me. Maybe also FACTS could be gained before comments that are completely untrue are made.
PKH
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7:26pm Mon 30 Aug 10
matroom wrote:I am calm, however taxi drivers are always moaning about their lot and think they are a special case and deserve special treatment. If their lot is so bad why do they do the job?? All I was doing was pointing out that they are not a special case, what's wrong with that?? And no I don't hate taxi drivers I am friendly with one but he doesn't half moan and nothings ever right for taxi driver's besides that he's fine.
PKH wrote:Calm down mate, youll give yourself a heart attack(with any luck). Whats wrong, did a taxi driver run off with your wife, taking your house and car with him, takingyou to the cleaners, leaving you penniless and with a bitter, bitter taste in your mouth with anything to do with Taxis ?? Warm bath and a razor blade is what you want pal !!Taxi Drivers wife wrote: Why shouldn't the Council fund this scheme? The charges alone for an annual taxi license would more than cover this rather than the Council profitting for each and every individual taxi driver in the area. Therefore, it is a FACT that the money would NOT come out of the tax payers pocket. Taxi drivers provide a service to the general public - it is the general public who are committing such aforementioned crimes more often than not, after getting THEMSELVES overly drunk. Any taxi driver would feel tentative taking on a long journey such as Hull - my husband has had several non payers and "runners" on long journeys and even the shortest of journeys. Why should he be threatened with a knife? Why should his children not have a father should someone actually kill him? Why should justice not be done in catching such low lives? It is not every individual person of the public who are committing these crimes - and it is certainly not every taxi driver who drives as dangerously as the previous comment stated - seems like a typical case of stereotyping to me. Maybe also FACTS could be gained before comments that are completely untrue are made.Taxes do not pay for cctv on trains or buses providing a public service so WHY are taxis any different, neither do the council provide cctv for the small independant corner shops which have to pay business rates and whose owners have to work all hours to make ends meet they have just as much chance of being attacked and robbed.
PKH
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7:39pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Tkmax wrote:If talking common sense makes me an idiot then so be it. At least I don't resort to insults!!!!!!!!!!!!
matroom wrote:MAtroom Clifton caravan site person thank u for speaking some sense into these idiotsPKH wrote:Calm down mate, youll give yourself a heart attack(with any luck). Whats wrong, did a taxi driver run off with your wife, taking your house and car with him, takingyou to the cleaners, leaving you penniless and with a bitter, bitter taste in your mouth with anything to do with Taxis ?? Warm bath and a razor blade is what you want pal !!Taxi Drivers wife wrote: Why shouldn't the Council fund this scheme? The charges alone for an annual taxi license would more than cover this rather than the Council profitting for each and every individual taxi driver in the area. Therefore, it is a FACT that the money would NOT come out of the tax payers pocket. Taxi drivers provide a service to the general public - it is the general public who are committing such aforementioned crimes more often than not, after getting THEMSELVES overly drunk. Any taxi driver would feel tentative taking on a long journey such as Hull - my husband has had several non payers and "runners" on long journeys and even the shortest of journeys. Why should he be threatened with a knife? Why should his children not have a father should someone actually kill him? Why should justice not be done in catching such low lives? It is not every individual person of the public who are committing these crimes - and it is certainly not every taxi driver who drives as dangerously as the previous comment stated - seems like a typical case of stereotyping to me. Maybe also FACTS could be gained before comments that are completely untrue are made.Taxes do not pay for cctv on trains or buses providing a public service so WHY are taxis any different, neither do the council provide cctv for the small independant corner shops which have to pay business rates and whose owners have to work all hours to make ends meet they have just as much chance of being attacked and robbed.
Guy Fawkes
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8:37pm Mon 30 Aug 10
pedalling paul
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8:38pm Mon 30 Aug 10
TooRelaxed
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8:45pm Mon 30 Aug 10
on the bright side!
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9:06pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Guy Fawkes wrote:Great comment GF I'd be happy to pay up front in fact I'd rather know the cost first
No-one (not me, at any rate) hates taxi drivers. They do a vital and valued job. Many's the time I've arrived in an unfamiliar city and regarded the money I spent on the taxi from the airport as money well spent for a quick, efficient and safe transfer. If they're prepared to work antisocial hours to offer this service, then of course they should be paid at a rate that reflects that fairly. All I'm objecting to is part of the running costs of their business being passed on to the taxpayer. If, as Taxi Driver's Wife claims, the cost of a cab licence is a ripoff (and given that it's CoYC doing the charging, I can certainly believe that!), then that's fundamentally a separate issue: that of to what extent should taxis in York be regulated and how should the regulation be paid for. As for the problem of 'runners', surely there's a very simple answer to that - for the driver and passenger to agree a fare (based on the mileage) which is paid in full before departure? Modern satnav technology enables the distance to destination to be calculated very accurately at the start of a journey, so why don't taxis just start to do the same thing as all other public transport and collect the fare from the passenger at the start of the journey?
PKH
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9:33pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Guy Fawkes wrote:GF I agree whole heartly with your comment, one thing that has not been mentioned is that drivers should be able to claim for the cost against their tax therefore they should not bear the full cost.
No-one (not me, at any rate) hates taxi drivers. They do a vital and valued job. Many's the time I've arrived in an unfamiliar city and regarded the money I spent on the taxi from the airport as money well spent for a quick, efficient and safe transfer. If they're prepared to work antisocial hours to offer this service, then of course they should be paid at a rate that reflects that fairly. All I'm objecting to is part of the running costs of their business being passed on to the taxpayer. If, as Taxi Driver's Wife claims, the cost of a cab licence is a ripoff (and given that it's CoYC doing the charging, I can certainly believe that!), then that's fundamentally a separate issue: that of to what extent should taxis in York be regulated and how should the regulation be paid for. As for the problem of 'runners', surely there's a very simple answer to that - for the driver and passenger to agree a fare (based on the mileage) which is paid in full before departure? Modern satnav technology enables the distance to destination to be calculated very accurately at the start of a journey, so why don't taxis just start to do the same thing as all other public transport and collect the fare from the passenger at the start of the journey?
King Edward
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10:30pm Mon 30 Aug 10
DropsOfJupiter
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10:35pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Silver
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10:50pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Silver
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10:53pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Silver wrote:After all after this recession if any of us was told you'd have to spend £5 a month to maintain your current standing of living? I'd happily pay per month so I could offer my girlfriend a house and mortgage as a permanent future. I sympathise with the taxi drivers but we all know the government is so skint. In the taxi driver viewpoint if I could guarantee my absolute safety that someone who acted out of line would be recorded should it be needed. I'd pay a tiny fee per month for that and call it an investment.
Why not just have the independents form a cooperative that they pay a small fee too each and this covers the cost for all the cameras. After all if they (All independant taxi drivers) Paid like £10 a month each they get a camera for one of them but the deal is all members of this cooperative have to have a camera installed and then they stop paying?
After all how much is a taxi drivers plate alone worth? Wasn't there a story about something the taxi drivers had to have and some cost more then a car. Not quite sure on the details. So a cooperative is minor part of their profits for extra security? As they are answerable only to themselves and generate their own income it would perhaps mean an extra half hour of work a week for a set period of time?
Not denying as a group they don't need this security but it's an effective tax payer free measure with a guaranteed result. They'd all pay the money but not lose out on anything big from loss of earnings.
Guy Fawkes
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11:32pm Mon 30 Aug 10
CCTV would seriously breach and compromise our Civil Liberties if installed to film us all in Taxi's.
keepitshut
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12:07am Tue 31 Aug 10
Silver wrote:Silver, i believe a taxi plate issued by the council is free, it is when the owner of the plate "rents" it out that problems arise!
Why not just have the independents form a cooperative that they pay a small fee too each and this covers the cost for all the cameras. After all if they (All independant taxi drivers) Paid like £10 a month each they get a camera for one of them but the deal is all members of this cooperative have to have a camera installed and then they stop paying? After all how much is a taxi drivers plate alone worth? Wasn't there a story about something the taxi drivers had to have and some cost more then a car. Not quite sure on the details. So a cooperative is minor part of their profits for extra security? As they are answerable only to themselves and generate their own income it would perhaps mean an extra half hour of work a week for a set period of time? Not denying as a group they don't need this security but it's an effective tax payer free measure with a guaranteed result. They'd all pay the money but not lose out on anything big from loss of earnings.
TooRelaxed
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12:47am Tue 31 Aug 10
TooRelaxed
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12:49am Tue 31 Aug 10
DropsOfJupiter wrote:Where did the quote go?
No, No, No.
CCTV would seriously breach and compromise our Civil Liberties if installed to film us all in Taxi's. Or so Nick Clegg would lead us to believe.
Yosser Hughes
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10:54am Tue 31 Aug 10
Taxi Drivers wife wrote:Taxi Drivers Wife - Its your husbands career choice. Nobody forced him to drive taxis for a living. I am self employed and have a work vehicle. Should the taxpayer pay for me to have a £400 camera? No they should not. Taxi drivers make a decent living, especially hackney drivers so they should pay for their own tools with which to do their jobs.
Im sorry, I can not recall any story of Nestle workers being attacked by the people who buy their chocolate bars? Security is already provided by the council in the way of street cameras for market traders?? need I go on?.........
Get-a-grip
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11:28am Tue 31 Aug 10
moneyforwhat
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1:39pm Tue 31 Aug 10
Jam tomorrow
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7:41pm Tue 31 Aug 10
moneyforwhat wrote:I think your on to it.
On reading the story it seems that YCC is doing the research and this is not something actively sought by drivers. taxi/pre-booked drivers are self employed, therefore this would be a legitimate business expense and obviously the best way forward if there are those who feel they are vulnerable. I do not know this for a fact but it is my belief that the records on the CCTV can only be accessed by the council and the police in the event of a complaint made by a driver who has been threatened/robbed etc. Therefore no ones rights would be infringed, other than identifying who has behaved illegally.
bass
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4:06pm Thu 2 Sep 10
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Get-a-grip says...
12:08pm Mon 30 Aug 10
Why should the council tax payer have to fund this? Taxi drivers/plate owners should buy their own cameras, not us.