Rioting Hull City fans barricade themselves in York's Lendal Cellars pub (From York Press)

yorkred wrote:
Should have got the taser guns out,
again.
Cant have gangs of people singing and drinking in York can we.

(except at night, of course)

Littlepoo wrote:
The Hull idiots barricaded themselves in the pub (hate to think of the damage they must have done inside) and then the report says that the police escorted them back to the station? Are you telling me they were NOT arrested???!!!

Littlepoo wrote:
The Hull idiots barricaded themselves in the pub (hate to think of the damage they must have done inside) and then the report says that the police escorted them back to the station? Are you telling me they were NOT arrested???!!!

the commentator wrote:
Just got back from town and it's chaos at that end of Coney Street! We got thrown out of Blacks by the police as they shut the surrounding shops down. I saw these hooligans walking down Station Rise, at least 50 of them and it was obvious they were hell bent on trouble, drinking at 10.00am! There's a lot more of them still in the city centre not trapped in Lendal Cellars as I saw them in the crowds outside texting their mates inside. Should have released tear gass in there

LANGY1990 wrote:

the commentator wrote:
Just got back from town and it's chaos at that end of Coney Street! We got thrown out of Blacks by the police as they shut the surrounding shops down. I saw these hooligans walking down Station Rise, at least 50 of them and it was obvious they were hell bent on trouble, drinking at 10.00am! There's a lot more of them still in the city centre not trapped in Lendal Cellars as I saw them in the crowds outside texting their mates inside. Should have released tear gass in there

Before people post comments why dont they know the story properly before posting it on here! There was 50 fans but there wasnt more scattered about! DONUT

Thrasher wrote:
A more pertinent question may be to ask who in their right mind would organise a friendly against Hull anyway? Hull have always had an inferiority complex anyway and it was obvious that trashing York would appeal to these cod-headed morons. It's a shame they hadn't barricaded themselves in Yates', then the place could have simply been burned down and done everyone a favour.

bloodaxe wrote:
Oh good. The football season again. Why do people get so passionate about something we're patently no good at. It's even made the national news on Radio 4. This dismembers a vast amount of hard work by the city authorities in promoting the city. I doubt that any visitors caught up in this will be back.

YorkCityLuke wrote:

bloodaxe wrote:
Oh good. The football season again. Why do people get so passionate about something we're patently no good at. It's even made the national news on Radio 4. This dismembers a vast amount of hard work by the city authorities in promoting the city. I doubt that any visitors caught up in this will be back.

At least it's something for York residents to actually get passionate about. Contrary to what you seem to be suggesting, this town is not just about entertaining tourists.

bloodaxe wrote:
Oh good. The football season again. Why do people get so passionate about something we're patently no good at. It's even made the national news on Radio 4. This dismembers a vast amount of hard work by the city authorities in promoting the city. I doubt that any visitors caught up in this will be back.

Lizzie Browning wrote:
Oh and Sciencefan - BBC report says Hull City fans were fighting amongst themselves - no suggestion of York fan involvement. You need to recall that 'small mindedness' in no defence to the laws of libel.

sciencefan wrote:

Lizzie Browning wrote:
Oh and Sciencefan - BBC report says Hull City fans were fighting amongst themselves - no suggestion of York fan involvement. You need to recall that 'small mindedness' in no defence to the laws of libel.

It is absolutely the fault of York City. The Hull fans would not be here if a game of football was not to be played, so yes of course YCFC must carry blame for what occured. If you invited a group of Thugs round to your home and they kicked off in tue streets I'm quite sure your neighbours would blame you.

I have no interest in some other football club, just what happens in York and today was disgusting. Like it or not I am one of the majority in this city, that is to say someone who has no interest in the fortunes of YCFC. You now have to pray that the residents of Huntington haven't seen the local or national news!!

And before you start flinging personal insults around you may want to try reading the story you are commenting on which clearly states that York Fans "clashed" with Hull fans. And I do expect a retraction!!!

Up with the partridge wrote:
"Come to Yorkshire" it says on the TV ad so we did - unbelievable. How the hell was this allowed to happen? The chairman of York football club should be prosecuted for gross negligence - the shop keepers and residents of York must be as livid as I am. Who on earth sanctioned a football match on a summer Saturday afternoon and with the interbreds of Hull? the chief constable of North Yorks also has some answering to do. Was it only a couple of weeks ago that all these illiterates called football fans were all standing shoulder to shoulder - now ther are rioting. These are the same under class who will have been supporting Rauol Moat.

Lizzie Browning wrote:
Sciencefan:
Okay - lets look at this seriously.
How could YCFC have predicted that 40 or 50 Hull fans would get drunk and cause trouble in central York over 3 hrs before the game kicked off? Are you suggesting that all Hull people are louts? I hope not - this kind of collective grouping is the sort of thinking which spawns racism.
Secondly - you made this personal, you mentioned my name first.
Third - I did read the story, the BBC however make no mention of York fan involvement and certainly not in St Helen's Sq where the main problem was.
Four - you seem to suggest that a club with a near 90 yr history should be shut down because of the actions of 40 - 50 people from Hull? Does this not strike you as an over-reaction?
Finally, this kind of over reaction seems to characterize your posts. I would suggest, that like the rest of society, you need to accept that not everyone has the same interests as you. You have ranted about football fans this week caravan users last week and I seem to recall countless other groups of individuals. People like different things and have different interests. And thank goodness for that. You, I seem to recall like rugby. I do not. But I don't want to stop your enjoyment - perhaps there is a lesson in toleration there for you.
Now grow up!!!!

DarrenMiles wrote:

sciencefan wrote:

Lizzie Browning wrote:
Oh and Sciencefan - BBC report says Hull City fans were fighting amongst themselves - no suggestion of York fan involvement. You need to recall that 'small mindedness' in no defence to the laws of libel.

It is absolutely the fault of York City. The Hull fans would not be here if a game of football was not to be played, so yes of course YCFC must carry blame for what occured. If you invited a group of Thugs round to your home and they kicked off in tue streets I'm quite sure your neighbours would blame you.

I have no interest in some other football club, just what happens in York and today was disgusting. Like it or not I am one of the majority in this city, that is to say someone who has no interest in the fortunes of YCFC. You now have to pray that the residents of Huntington haven't seen the local or national news!!

And before you start flinging personal insults around you may want to try reading the story you are commenting on which clearly states that York Fans "clashed" with Hull fans. And I do expect a retraction!!!

Done some searching through the comment section. "Up with the partridge", and "sciencefan" have both previously noted they are NOT from York, but from outside, affliated with Selby Athletics and wanting the good people of York to pay for a new athlectics track or upgrade the one at Huntington. They do not pay York City Council Tax, yet they are are anti-York City FC, anti York rugby and anti-York. Seriously, look through their previous comments on other stories.

Remember that when reading their moronic rants.

LANGY1990 wrote:

the commentator wrote:
Just got back from town and it's chaos at that end of Coney Street! We got thrown out of Blacks by the police as they shut the surrounding shops down. I saw these hooligans walking down Station Rise, at least 50 of them and it was obvious they were hell bent on trouble, drinking at 10.00am! There's a lot more of them still in the city centre not trapped in Lendal Cellars as I saw them in the crowds outside texting their mates inside. Should have released tear gass in there

Before people post comments why dont they know the story properly before posting it on here! There was 50 fans but there wasnt more scattered about! DONUT

LANGY1990 wrote:

the commentator wrote:
Just got back from town and it's chaos at that end of Coney Street! We got thrown out of Blacks by the police as they shut the surrounding shops down. I saw these hooligans walking down Station Rise, at least 50 of them and it was obvious they were hell bent on trouble, drinking at 10.00am! There's a lot more of them still in the city centre not trapped in Lendal Cellars as I saw them in the crowds outside texting their mates inside. Should have released tear gass in there

Before people post comments why dont they know the story properly before posting it on here! There was 50 fans but there wasnt more scattered about! DONUT

Lizzie Browning wrote:
The backtracks to end all backtracks, Mr Sciencefan. Nice to see you realize the error of your rants.
But yes - enough is enough. But think before abusing others in future. We all have difference interests and hobbies; tolerance is everything.
Goodnight!

sciencefan wrote:

DarrenMiles wrote:

sciencefan wrote:

Lizzie Browning wrote:
Oh and Sciencefan - BBC report says Hull City fans were fighting amongst themselves - no suggestion of York fan involvement. You need to recall that 'small mindedness' in no defence to the laws of libel.

It is absolutely the fault of York City. The Hull fans would not be here if a game of football was not to be played, so yes of course YCFC must carry blame for what occured. If you invited a group of Thugs round to your home and they kicked off in tue streets I'm quite sure your neighbours would blame you.

I have no interest in some other football club, just what happens in York and today was disgusting. Like it or not I am one of the majority in this city, that is to say someone who has no interest in the fortunes of YCFC. You now have to pray that the residents of Huntington haven't seen the local or national news!!

And before you start flinging personal insults around you may want to try reading the story you are commenting on which clearly states that York Fans "clashed" with Hull fans. And I do expect a retraction!!!

Done some searching through the comment section. "Up with the partridge", and "sciencefan" have both previously noted they are NOT from York, but from outside, affliated with Selby Athletics and wanting the good people of York to pay for a new athlectics track or upgrade the one at Huntington. They do not pay York City Council Tax, yet they are are anti-York City FC, anti York rugby and anti-York. Seriously, look through their previous comments on other stories.

Remember that when reading their moronic rants.

I am indeed from York, nothing to do with athletics in Selby or anywhere else for that matter, so probably not the best research you've ever done..... Enough for now I feel. Good night

east hull pride wrote:
a few lads cause a bit of bother in your upper class city and you think every one in hull are scum you dont know your born mate at least living in hull you know what your getting and as for been a small club how you clowns doing not a lot yet again i guess i was at the game and it was the usual banter with the decent york boys and a decent beer with them after the game all i know is that a few hull lads got out of hand and as usual your lot panicked get over it city till i die - hull kingston rovers till i die

DarrenMiles wrote:

sciencefan wrote:

DarrenMiles wrote:

sciencefan wrote:

Lizzie Browning wrote:
Oh and Sciencefan - BBC report says Hull City fans were fighting amongst themselves - no suggestion of York fan involvement. You need to recall that 'small mindedness' in no defence to the laws of libel.

It is absolutely the fault of York City. The Hull fans would not be here if a game of football was not to be played, so yes of course YCFC must carry blame for what occured. If you invited a group of Thugs round to your home and they kicked off in tue streets I'm quite sure your neighbours would blame you.

I have no interest in some other football club, just what happens in York and today was disgusting. Like it or not I am one of the majority in this city, that is to say someone who has no interest in the fortunes of YCFC. You now have to pray that the residents of Huntington haven't seen the local or national news!!

And before you start flinging personal insults around you may want to try reading the story you are commenting on which clearly states that York Fans "clashed" with Hull fans. And I do expect a retraction!!!

Done some searching through the comment section. "Up with the partridge", and "sciencefan" have both previously noted they are NOT from York, but from outside, affliated with Selby Athletics and wanting the good people of York to pay for a new athlectics track or upgrade the one at Huntington. They do not pay York City Council Tax, yet they are are anti-York City FC, anti York rugby and anti-York. Seriously, look through their previous comments on other stories.

Remember that when reading their moronic rants.

I am indeed from York, nothing to do with athletics in Selby or anywhere else for that matter, so probably not the best research you've ever done..... Enough for now I feel. Good night

Seriously, you need to hide your tracks better, troll.

sciencefan wrote:

Lizzie Browning wrote:
The backtracks to end all backtracks, Mr Sciencefan. Nice to see you realize the error of your rants.
But yes - enough is enough. But think before abusing others in future. We all have difference interests and hobbies; tolerance is everything.
Goodnight!

No backtrack here, try reading what I write. You might learn something, something your thoughts in writing haven't shown much of so far. I stand by what I say, you just seemed to need it explaining. Goodnight

DuckGravy wrote:

LANGY1990 wrote:

the commentator wrote:
Just got back from town and it's chaos at that end of Coney Street! We got thrown out of Blacks by the police as they shut the surrounding shops down. I saw these hooligans walking down Station Rise, at least 50 of them and it was obvious they were hell bent on trouble, drinking at 10.00am! There's a lot more of them still in the city centre not trapped in Lendal Cellars as I saw them in the crowds outside texting their mates inside. Should have released tear gass in there

Before people post comments why dont they know the story properly before posting it on here! There was 50 fans but there wasnt more scattered about! DONUT

I ain't being funny lad, but I was around there, There was "ULL" Dotted all over the shop. Mainly in the City walls where they knew York Lads were told i they went within the city walls they'd be arrested. Also there were groups of Four "ULL" lads following York lads, dotting in around pubs also trying to cause a fuss in a couple of bars. Especially the white horse but nothing came of it. To be honest ULL only did that to the place they smashed for one reason... They couldn't Hide behind Old Bill while trying to have it with York. York did offer it out as I saw and a few others. York stood there while ULL were throwing things from bottles to glasses. York stood offering them it and EVEN 10 - 20 ULL broke their three policeman/woman barricade. But they stayed near by while a cocky must of been 15 year old wearing a bucket hat thinking he is Liam Gallagher doing a stroll who was hit by a "ULL" bottle. And even when the old bill took the Hull lot onto the train, I counted at least 15 - 20 LADS on the proul in their small groups. So... "Before People post comments why don't they know the story properly before posting it on here!"

Lizzie Browning wrote:

sciencefan wrote:

Lizzie Browning wrote:
The backtracks to end all backtracks, Mr Sciencefan. Nice to see you realize the error of your rants.
But yes - enough is enough. But think before abusing others in future. We all have difference interests and hobbies; tolerance is everything.
Goodnight!

No backtrack here, try reading what I write. You might learn something, something your thoughts in writing haven't shown much of so far. I stand by what I say, you just seemed to need it explaining. Goodnight

You don't like football, you don't like caravans, you don't like X, you don't like Y. You rant against them - using weak, reactionary arguments such as shutting a football club down (YOUR argument, why else the nightclub analogy) because of the actions of a few dozen people from Hull. No, I don't think I need to learn lessons from you. I, unlike you, recognize that they world isn't something I can bend to my will, something that should only do the things I like. Following your line of argument, we should ban York Races as it is entirely the organisers fault that occasionally people get drunk, fight and litter. We should ban cyclists because like caravan folk they too clog the road and delay your journey by a few minutes. Presumably we should shut down the automobile industry too, because some people speed and its all the fault of Renault, Ford etc.!!?
I aren't continuing this further - I suspect I am banging my head against something rather unyielding! But my last message is tolerance, tolerance, tolerance. Its a well populated world out there and you can't bully us all!

TERRIER3 wrote:
why do clubs organise friendlys against teams with known troublemakers? i remember going to see halifax with a mate in a friendly against huddersfield years ago, and huddersfield fans trashed the place, they learnt there lesson and said they would never play a friendly against them again

Lambrettaman wrote:

DuckGravy wrote:

LANGY1990 wrote:

the commentator wrote:
Just got back from town and it's chaos at that end of Coney Street! We got thrown out of Blacks by the police as they shut the surrounding shops down. I saw these hooligans walking down Station Rise, at least 50 of them and it was obvious they were hell bent on trouble, drinking at 10.00am! There's a lot more of them still in the city centre not trapped in Lendal Cellars as I saw them in the crowds outside texting their mates inside. Should have released tear gass in there

Before people post comments why dont they know the story properly before posting it on here! There was 50 fans but there wasnt more scattered about! DONUT

I ain't being funny lad, but I was around there, There was "ULL" Dotted all over the shop. Mainly in the City walls where they knew York Lads were told i they went within the city walls they'd be arrested. Also there were groups of Four "ULL" lads following York lads, dotting in around pubs also trying to cause a fuss in a couple of bars. Especially the white horse but nothing came of it. To be honest ULL only did that to the place they smashed for one reason... They couldn't Hide behind Old Bill while trying to have it with York. York did offer it out as I saw and a few others. York stood there while ULL were throwing things from bottles to glasses. York stood offering them it and EVEN 10 - 20 ULL broke their three policeman/woman barricade. But they stayed near by while a cocky must of been 15 year old wearing a bucket hat thinking he is Liam Gallagher doing a stroll who was hit by a "ULL" bottle. And even when the old bill took the Hull lot onto the train, I counted at least 15 - 20 LADS on the proul in their small groups. So... "Before People post comments why don't they know the story properly before posting it on here!"

There were "ULL" here, there were "ULL" there, there were "ULL" everywhere and we offered 'em out.

And you have the nerve to call us inbreeds ? (or interbreds as I notice some ill-educated, grammatically challenged halfwit called us).

There are some views posted on here, that as a Hull resident and a Hull City fan I find rather offensive. Rarely, have I seen so many simplistic, ill thought through garbage posted on a single article.

Hull City have not have trouble at football matches for years(other than some visiting idiots from Millwall last season), despite having a very large away following.

I'd recommend, that to avoid this sort of incident happening in future, you simply disband your football club. It's not as if anyone would care, barely anyone bothered to turn up today and you could only muster a coach load for a game at Wembley stadium, disgracing a county.

Every city has it's idiots, without them Jeremy Kyle would be unemployed, though I suspect he could probably put together a week long special, using only the posters on this thread !

yo30 dan wrote:

Up with the partridge wrote: "Come to Yorkshire" it says on the TV ad so we did - unbelievable. How the hell was this allowed to happen? The chairman of York football club should be prosecuted for gross negligence - the shop keepers and residents of York must be as livid as I am. Who on earth sanctioned a football match on a summer Saturday afternoon and with the interbreds of Hull? the chief constable of North Yorks also has some answering to do. Was it only a couple of weeks ago that all these illiterates called football fans were all standing shoulder to shoulder - now ther are rioting. These are the same under class who will have been supporting Rauol Moat.

Contray to popular opinion, York is a fully functioning city. It exists not only to serve tourists with the living museum they so deseprately crave, but also to carry out the functions of any other town/city.

Lizzie Browning wrote:
Sciencefan: Okay - lets look at this seriously. How could YCFC have predicted that 40 or 50 Hull fans would get drunk and cause trouble in central York over 3 hrs before the game kicked off? Are you suggesting that all Hull people are louts? I hope not - this kind of collective grouping is the sort of thinking which spawns racism. Secondly - you made this personal, you mentioned my name first. Third - I did read the story, the BBC however make no mention of York fan involvement and certainly not in St Helen's Sq where the main problem was. Four - you seem to suggest that a club with a near 90 yr history should be shut down because of the actions of 40 - 50 people from Hull? Does this not strike you as an over-reaction? Finally, this kind of over reaction seems to characterize your posts. I would suggest, that like the rest of society, you need to accept that not everyone has the same interests as you. You have ranted about football fans this week caravan users last week and I seem to recall countless other groups of individuals. People like different things and have different interests. And thank goodness for that. You, I seem to recall like rugby. I do not. But I don't want to stop your enjoyment - perhaps there is a lesson in toleration there for you. Now grow up!!!!

east hull pride wrote:
all i am reading is that hull fans are scum and trolls and that they were fighting amongst themselves well if the rest of the york fans are like you losers that write on here then the hull fans would have nobody to fight with we know what we are in hull but you upper class muppets make me sick hull city - hkr forever

Up with the partridge wrote:

yo30 dan wrote:

Up with the partridge wrote: "Come to Yorkshire" it says on the TV ad so we did - unbelievable. How the hell was this allowed to happen? The chairman of York football club should be prosecuted for gross negligence - the shop keepers and residents of York must be as livid as I am. Who on earth sanctioned a football match on a summer Saturday afternoon and with the interbreds of Hull? the chief constable of North Yorks also has some answering to do. Was it only a couple of weeks ago that all these illiterates called football fans were all standing shoulder to shoulder - now ther are rioting. These are the same under class who will have been supporting Rauol Moat.

Contray to popular opinion, York is a fully functioning city. It exists not only to serve tourists with the living museum they so deseprately crave, but also to carry out the functions of any other town/city.

WRONG! It has no industry to speak of an were it not for tourism it would be no better than Bradford - come to think of it Bradford might just have the edge if this is what we get when coming to York.

TooRelaxed wrote:
Well who would have thought it? Turns out there's something even more divisive and conducive to blind abusive hatred than cycling. Football. Whoever would have thought it.

yo30 dan wrote:

Up with the partridge wrote:

yo30 dan wrote:

Up with the partridge wrote: "Come to Yorkshire" it says on the TV ad so we did - unbelievable. How the hell was this allowed to happen? The chairman of York football club should be prosecuted for gross negligence - the shop keepers and residents of York must be as livid as I am. Who on earth sanctioned a football match on a summer Saturday afternoon and with the interbreds of Hull? the chief constable of North Yorks also has some answering to do. Was it only a couple of weeks ago that all these illiterates called football fans were all standing shoulder to shoulder - now ther are rioting. These are the same under class who will have been supporting Rauol Moat.

Contray to popular opinion, York is a fully functioning city. It exists not only to serve tourists with the living museum they so deseprately crave, but also to carry out the functions of any other town/city.

WRONG! It has no industry to speak of an were it not for tourism it would be no better than Bradford - come to think of it Bradford might just have the edge if this is what we get when coming to York.

I can totally see how it's justified for a tourist to comment so in-depth on my own city. Oh, hang on... May I suggest that if you didn't like what you saw, then you don't come back? Simples.

SUPERTIGERS wrote:
Muppets! Typical Yorkshire Republic mindset- st , East Riding of Yorkshire- the clues in the name. Riding is an old viking word meaning third. East, West and North Yorkshire. There never was a south Yorks. It was created in 1974 from parts of west Yorks and Derbyshire around the time when they made Humberside. Of course Hull is Yorkshire. More Yorkshire than Rotherham, Barnsley Sheffield etc. You should hate them more than us. A founder member of Yorks. However, we do not care for the Yorks mindset you York village idiots adapt and are pleased to be different. Don't forget Hull has a royal charter and is a Royal town. Kingston upon Hull (Kings town upon Hull) You posh upper class twits/****! Jealous that Nomads are an embarrasment and we are Yorkshire's top boys. I seem to recall a few yrs ago Hull boys coming to help York when playing Grimsby! Anyway, rant over. Altogether now. We all hate Leeds, scum!

Up with the partridge wrote:

east hull pride wrote: all i am reading is that hull fans are scum and trolls and that they were fighting amongst themselves well if the rest of the york fans are like you losers that write on here then the hull fans would have nobody to fight with we know what we are in hull but you upper class muppets make me sick hull city - hkr forever

Enjoy relegation!! You'll be another Barnsley and Bradford City and indeed Leeds. Premiership then obscurity!!

sciencefan wrote:
Paul, I may not agree with your comments (most of the time) as with Lizzie Browning, but at least they are interesting and make for a good debate. Shame the same can't be said for the likes of phantom1974 and mackem_yorkie, who as the seemingly cant muster something that actually equates to an argument stick to chucking abuse and insults. Perhaps they should stick to what they know best. Counting to ten. I think this thread has reached it's conclusion. So long.

shiftywillow wrote:

Up with the partridge wrote:

east hull pride wrote: all i am reading is that hull fans are scum and trolls and that they were fighting amongst themselves well if the rest of the york fans are like you losers that write on here then the hull fans would have nobody to fight with we know what we are in hull but you upper class muppets make me sick hull city - hkr forever

Enjoy relegation!! You'll be another Barnsley and Bradford City and indeed Leeds. Premiership then obscurity!!

And Norwich?
.
Ipswich is a much nicer city!!!

Lambrettaman wrote:

TERRIER3 wrote:
why do clubs organise friendlys against teams with known troublemakers? i remember going to see halifax with a mate in a friendly against huddersfield years ago, and huddersfield fans trashed the place, they learnt there lesson and said they would never play a friendly against them again

And the last time there was any trouble involving travelling Hull City fans was when exactly ?

I think there was some trouble in a pub in Lincoln about eight years ago, then of course there was the eighties !

Clown.

Yorkfrog wrote:
Im not reading all thats above. So can someone tell me if the York Nobhead's sorry the Nomads were involved?

westyorkie wrote:

Yorkfrog wrote: Im not reading all thats above. So can someone tell me if the York Nobhead's sorry the Nomads were involved?

Probably - Lendal Cellars is one of their meet-up places. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=2udl0TGyb Ec To be fair, on the few occasions York have been privileged to play Hull, there are no problems at all. A very small minority of those traveling from Hull seem to target pre-season friendlies to cause trouble. I suppose they think these matches are not well policed and they think they can get away with it.

duffy wrote:

sciencefan wrote:
Paul, I may not agree with your comments (most of the time) as with Lizzie Browning, but at least they are interesting and make for a good debate. Shame the same can't be said for the likes of phantom1974 and mackem_yorkie, who as the seemingly cant muster something that actually equates to an argument stick to chucking abuse and insults. Perhaps they should stick to what they know best. Counting to ten. I think this thread has reached it's conclusion. So long.

Please promise this is the last time you join in yet another York City thread. Why do feel the need to constantly try and wind people up with a subject you have no interest in other than trying to see the back of the only professional football club in North Yorkshire. I honestly don't know what the club has done to you but it has certainly left a scar. There was trouble in York so the Club should fold, jesus there would be no football clubs left in Britain if they all did that.
As for the tourists my god the city is overrun with them and that's half the problem. The city is here for the tourists and not for the residents.
At the end of the day you don't want the council to support a community stadium full stop.No doubt you are happy the council is spending 43 million on new offices for itself. The fact council's throughout the country see the benefits and do support their residents seems to hold no sway with you

duffy wrote:

sciencefan wrote:
Paul, I may not agree with your comments (most of the time) as with Lizzie Browning, but at least they are interesting and make for a good debate. Shame the same can't be said for the likes of phantom1974 and mackem_yorkie, who as the seemingly cant muster something that actually equates to an argument stick to chucking abuse and insults. Perhaps they should stick to what they know best. Counting to ten. I think this thread has reached it's conclusion. So long.

Please promise this is the last time you join in yet another York City thread. Why do feel the need to constantly try and wind people up with a subject you have no interest in other than trying to see the back of the only professional football club in North Yorkshire. I honestly don't know what the club has done to you but it has certainly left a scar. There was trouble in York so the Club should fold, jesus there would be no football clubs left in Britain if they all did that.
As for the tourists my god the city is overrun with them and that's half the problem. The city is here for the tourists and not for the residents.
At the end of the day you don't want the council to support a community stadium full stop.No doubt you are happy the council is spending 43 million on new offices for itself. The fact council's throughout the country see the benefits and do support their residents seems to hold no sway with you

.perhaps they should have been made to cycle home, instead of inflicting further distress on train customers...?

sciencefan wrote:

duffy wrote:

sciencefan wrote: Paul, I may not agree with your comments (most of the time) as with Lizzie Browning, but at least they are interesting and make for a good debate. Shame the same can't be said for the likes of phantom1974 and mackem_yorkie, who as the seemingly cant muster something that actually equates to an argument stick to chucking abuse and insults. Perhaps they should stick to what they know best. Counting to ten. I think this thread has reached it's conclusion. So long.

Please promise this is the last time you join in yet another York City thread. Why do feel the need to constantly try and wind people up with a subject you have no interest in other than trying to see the back of the only professional football club in North Yorkshire. I honestly don't know what the club has done to you but it has certainly left a scar. There was trouble in York so the Club should fold, jesus there would be no football clubs left in Britain if they all did that. As for the tourists my god the city is overrun with them and that's half the problem. The city is here for the tourists and not for the residents. At the end of the day you don't want the council to support a community stadium full stop.No doubt you are happy the council is spending 43 million on new offices for itself. The fact council's throughout the country see the benefits and do support their residents seems to hold no sway with you

In a word, NO. I have lots of interest in the football club, however it is in terms of making them face up to their responsibilities as a business and to stop hidin behind the cloak of "sport". The football club gets away with much that many other businesses in this city do not and provides little real benefit for the local economy in general. I have no problem with the council funding a community stadium, however I have strong reservations as to whether it will truly be "for the community". Like it or not the economy in York is driven by two factors tourism and the finance and business services sector. So those tourists mean alot to Yorks economy and without them you can be are there will be no stadium. There seems to be much excuse making amongst some of the posters on here and little acknowledgement that the events of yesterday will, like it or not, have significantly tainted YCFC's reputation with many residents of this city. They do not see Hull fans or York fans, they see football fans causing alarm to Saturday shoppers. When someone asks them in the future do you want this down your road? What do you think they will say? Sorry if that upsets you but it is a simple observation of the facts and not a "rant". I hope I'm proved wrong and YCFC flourishes but as someone who has no strong feelings either way objectively I don't see it.

east hull pride wrote:
all i am reading is that hull fans are scum and trolls and that they were fighting amongst themselves well if the rest of the york fans are like you losers that write on here then the hull fans would have nobody to fight with we know what we are in hull but you upper class muppets make me sick hull city - hkr forever

billy shears wrote:

east hull pride wrote: all i am reading is that hull fans are scum and trolls and that they were fighting amongst themselves well if the rest of the york fans are like you losers that write on here then the hull fans would have nobody to fight with we know what we are in hull but you upper class muppets make me sick hull city - hkr forever

Get back to your third world city and leave us toffs alone scumbag

duffy wrote:

sciencefan wrote:

duffy wrote:

sciencefan wrote: Paul, I may not agree with your comments (most of the time) as with Lizzie Browning, but at least they are interesting and make for a good debate. Shame the same can't be said for the likes of phantom1974 and mackem_yorkie, who as the seemingly cant muster something that actually equates to an argument stick to chucking abuse and insults. Perhaps they should stick to what they know best. Counting to ten. I think this thread has reached it's conclusion. So long.

Please promise this is the last time you join in yet another York City thread. Why do feel the need to constantly try and wind people up with a subject you have no interest in other than trying to see the back of the only professional football club in North Yorkshire. I honestly don't know what the club has done to you but it has certainly left a scar. There was trouble in York so the Club should fold, jesus there would be no football clubs left in Britain if they all did that. As for the tourists my god the city is overrun with them and that's half the problem. The city is here for the tourists and not for the residents. At the end of the day you don't want the council to support a community stadium full stop.No doubt you are happy the council is spending 43 million on new offices for itself. The fact council's throughout the country see the benefits and do support their residents seems to hold no sway with you

In a word, NO. I have lots of interest in the football club, however it is in terms of making them face up to their responsibilities as a business and to stop hidin behind the cloak of "sport". The football club gets away with much that many other businesses in this city do not and provides little real benefit for the local economy in general. I have no problem with the council funding a community stadium, however I have strong reservations as to whether it will truly be "for the community". Like it or not the economy in York is driven by two factors tourism and the finance and business services sector. So those tourists mean alot to Yorks economy and without them you can be are there will be no stadium. There seems to be much excuse making amongst some of the posters on here and little acknowledgement that the events of yesterday will, like it or not, have significantly tainted YCFC's reputation with many residents of this city. They do not see Hull fans or York fans, they see football fans causing alarm to Saturday shoppers. When someone asks them in the future do you want this down your road? What do you think they will say? Sorry if that upsets you but it is a simple observation of the facts and not a "rant". I hope I'm proved wrong and YCFC flourishes but as someone who has no strong feelings either way objectively I don't see it.

You say you don't have strong feelings either way but I cant remember one constructive posting by yourself regarding York City.You seem an intelligent individual but all we see is you following every York City thread in order to post something negative. The aim is for a community facility that will benefit the residents of York, how would you like that to be ?
The fact regarding the trouble is it happens in every city in the country at one time or another, York has actually had very little over the years. I don't see how you can state York City are responsible for the actions of a group of individuals that have no connection to the club. Unless you want to ban every local team from playing York you can never make any form of a guarantee,we have played local teams every pre-season for years with no problems, this was a group of 40-50 people who had no interest in the football, there is a potential risk with every football match that is played up and down the country.
I've said it before and I will again York is third world when it comes to facilities for it's residents and the tourists flocking to York have never changed that. They might as well just put a huge wall up around the city and start charging an entrance fee if they want to start using money from tourists for the good of the residents of the city and not individual businesses.
I will ask again, are you in favor of 43 million of taxpayers money been spent on the new council offices,a figure that dwarfs that needed for the community stadium?

sciencefan wrote:

duffy wrote:

sciencefan wrote:

duffy wrote:

sciencefan wrote: Paul, I may not agree with your comments (most of the time) as with Lizzie Browning, but at least they are interesting and make for a good debate. Shame the same can't be said for the likes of phantom1974 and mackem_yorkie, who as the seemingly cant muster something that actually equates to an argument stick to chucking abuse and insults. Perhaps they should stick to what they know best. Counting to ten. I think this thread has reached it's conclusion. So long.

Please promise this is the last time you join in yet another York City thread. Why do feel the need to constantly try and wind people up with a subject you have no interest in other than trying to see the back of the only professional football club in North Yorkshire. I honestly don't know what the club has done to you but it has certainly left a scar. There was trouble in York so the Club should fold, jesus there would be no football clubs left in Britain if they all did that. As for the tourists my god the city is overrun with them and that's half the problem. The city is here for the tourists and not for the residents. At the end of the day you don't want the council to support a community stadium full stop.No doubt you are happy the council is spending 43 million on new offices for itself. The fact council's throughout the country see the benefits and do support their residents seems to hold no sway with you

In a word, NO. I have lots of interest in the football club, however it is in terms of making them face up to their responsibilities as a business and to stop hidin behind the cloak of "sport". The football club gets away with much that many other businesses in this city do not and provides little real benefit for the local economy in general. I have no problem with the council funding a community stadium, however I have strong reservations as to whether it will truly be "for the community". Like it or not the economy in York is driven by two factors tourism and the finance and business services sector. So those tourists mean alot to Yorks economy and without them you can be are there will be no stadium. There seems to be much excuse making amongst some of the posters on here and little acknowledgement that the events of yesterday will, like it or not, have significantly tainted YCFC's reputation with many residents of this city. They do not see Hull fans or York fans, they see football fans causing alarm to Saturday shoppers. When someone asks them in the future do you want this down your road? What do you think they will say? Sorry if that upsets you but it is a simple observation of the facts and not a "rant". I hope I'm proved wrong and YCFC flourishes but as someone who has no strong feelings either way objectively I don't see it.

You say you don't have strong feelings either way but I cant remember one constructive posting by yourself regarding York City.You seem an intelligent individual but all we see is you following every York City thread in order to post something negative. The aim is for a community facility that will benefit the residents of York, how would you like that to be ? The fact regarding the trouble is it happens in every city in the country at one time or another, York has actually had very little over the years. I don't see how you can state York City are responsible for the actions of a group of individuals that have no connection to the club. Unless you want to ban every local team from playing York you can never make any form of a guarantee,we have played local teams every pre-season for years with no problems, this was a group of 40-50 people who had no interest in the football, there is a potential risk with every football match that is played up and down the country. I've said it before and I will again York is third world when it comes to facilities for it's residents and the tourists flocking to York have never changed that. They might as well just put a huge wall up around the city and start charging an entrance fee if they want to start using money from tourists for the good of the residents of the city and not individual businesses. I will ask again, are you in favor of 43 million of taxpayers money been spent on the new council offices,a figure that dwarfs that needed for the community stadium?

Whether there is hardly any trouble or lots of trouble, it is still too much. Whilst YCFC are clearly not directly responsible for any violence, the simple fact remains that had the football match not been taking place we would not have had this criminal element brought to York. Please also remember, as is mentioned in the story above, YCFC fans were involved in this episode too. This is their connection to the club. This was YCFC's event and they carry a responsibility for those attending. I sorely hope those involved, on both sides will never be welcomed at a football match in any city again. You may feel my posts have been negative in relation to the stadium however I feel they have been realistic and not tainted by the "passion" of the football "fans" and not what they want to hear. If the stadium is developed (which will be, in my opinion a minor miracle given the amounts of money involved and the planning complexities) then if it is supported by the Council it must genuinely meet the needs of 'York as a whole'. Bearing in mind that on a normal weekend YCFC gets a gate of 2000, that means that the the other 90% of the population must be served by the development. I'm not yet convinced that the current proposals achieve this. I'm sure you disagree, as is your right. Whether you like it or not last year tourism generated over £400 million for York. This is a huge income stream for the council from Parking, business rates and rents and without it there would absolutely be no stadium! You may feel that you have seen little benefit, but these are the facts. Whilst the Council is spending an enormous amount of Money on developing new offices, that money is coming from the sale of existing buildings which will no longer be required and on rent and maintenance saved by the move. The new council offices are therefore cost neutral to the taxpayer. The proposed stadium would require the Council to take out loans to pay for their share of the costs, which in theory would then be repaid from operating profits, however the risk is significantly higher, particularly if YCFC were to fold at some point in the future (yes pessimistic I know, but no one can claim this is not a possibility). So the argument in respect of the council offices is pretty mute.

DarrenMiles wrote:

bloodaxe wrote: Oh good. The football season again. Why do people get so passionate about something we're patently no good at. It's even made the national news on Radio 4. This dismembers a vast amount of hard work by the city authorities in promoting the city. I doubt that any visitors caught up in this will be back.

HA. Doesn't like football? Admits to listening to Radio 4. Big weekend for you is when Songs of Praise is on? Jeez, I'm shocked you have access to the internet, given the "evils that lurk in a google search". I assume you don't spew comments on here when 100s of morons wreck streets around the city center on racedays? I've never had my door 'poo'ed' on when there's been a football match, but I have, three times, all on the night of a race day. Pick your target properly. Idiot Hull scum are a minority. No York fans involved. And you whine about football. Quick, Aled Jones is probably on the radio. J

Guy Fawkes wrote:

.perhaps they should have been made to cycle home, instead of inflicting further distress on train customers...?

Agreed. So here we have a group of drunken thugs who trashed a pub and, instead of being arrested and having the book thrown at them, are escorted to the station, still in a drunken state, and back onto a train. Yet another reason why I shall avoid using any sort of public transport wherever possible.

Jambuttie wrote:
read all this 99 comments & wonder what planet u all on ! lived at back of racecourse for about 20 years then back of football ground for 10 years & then back of racecourse again for 10 years & yeah its loud & busy at times & occasionally trouble happens but in my 40 years very rare so get a grip all u moaners until u live in the areas u have no idea that the well behaved far out weight the slight hic up here & there

Lizzie Browning wrote:
Ah ha Sciencefan. 'Lived by Bootham Crescent for 4 yrs!' I am not re-lighting our tussle from earlier, but honestly, do you think you might just have a tiny grudge against the club? Or at least be not entirely impartial?

Oh and I've attended matches for about thirty years, so no fibbing or I will know!

As for that area, it seems to have problems 24/7 doesn't it judging by incidents reported in the Press? Nothing to do with football that tires get slashed, bins set alight and those poor people forced out of their corner store by repeated raids.

ScaryDave wrote:
sciencefan i think what everyone is trying to say is please stfu you are boring everyone and just want to have the last word.

sciencefan wrote:
Interesting twist in this very, very long discussion. One person has been charged with public order offences in association with this mess and he's from York!

Beagleboy wrote:
York City Nomads from Haxby and Bishopthorpe and Knaresborough other nice places who really really really want to be bad boys - who watch the football factory film in their fake stone jumpers that are four sizes too big! They just want to be bad boys. Real bad boys and when they are in gangs of 20 - frightening shoppers they feel super hard!

sciencefan wrote:
Interesting twist in this very, very long discussion.

One person has been charged with public order offences in association with this mess and he's from York!

Phantom1974 wrote:
It amazes me how many people not only betray their own community by going to support someone else's, like those who profess their love for Leeds or Hull, but also how quick some fools are to condemn York City, the club who represent the City of York. What a weird place we live in. What a depressing lack of pride and backbone.

Phantom1974 wrote:
It amazes me how many people not only betray their own community by going to support someone else's, like those who profess their love for Leeds or Hull, but also how quick some fools are to condemn York City, the club who represent the City of York. What a weird place we live in. What a depressing lack of pride and backbone.

Platform 9 wrote:

Phantom1974 wrote: It amazes me how many people not only betray their own community by going to support someone else's, like those who profess their love for Leeds or Hull, but also how quick some fools are to condemn York City, the club who represent the City of York. What a weird place we live in. What a depressing lack of pride and backbone.

Bit of a narrow-minded view? You may as well say that the football Manager and the Players must all come from York in order to play for them. I'm into my 50's and supported Leeds all my life, York City wasn't for me and I'm glad we have freedom of choice in this country. It doesn't matter who you support as long as you pick your team for life and not chop and change when success dictates. Exprienced the violent times of the 70's and 80's so can spot the trouble makers a mile off and they are not there for the football - the Police should be able to spot them straight away and round them up before trouble starts and keep them in order. Sometimes it's very difficult to do this if the "fans" involved come from nearby (they don't all arrive enmasse on the same train from the same departure point for example). There is always trouble at local games and the York vs Hull game should have been avoided as a friendly.

oldgoat wrote:
Midnight news on Radio 4 - football riot in York - couldn't believe it. If this is what the 'beautiful game' brings us, I don't want to know. Strange you never see this kind of attitude around most sports. Give me F1 or cricket any day. Oh, you'll have spotted I listen to Radio 4. But then I listen to a fair bit of heavy metal too. Does that for or against me?

Phantom1974 wrote:

Platform 9 wrote:

Phantom1974 wrote: It amazes me how many people not only betray their own community by going to support someone else's, like those who profess their love for Leeds or Hull, but also how quick some fools are to condemn York City, the club who represent the City of York. What a weird place we live in. What a depressing lack of pride and backbone.

Bit of a narrow-minded view? You may as well say that the football Manager and the Players must all come from York in order to play for them. I'm into my 50's and supported Leeds all my life, York City wasn't for me and I'm glad we have freedom of choice in this country. It doesn't matter who you support as long as you pick your team for life and not chop and change when success dictates. Exprienced the violent times of the 70's and 80's so can spot the trouble makers a mile off and they are not there for the football - the Police should be able to spot them straight away and round them up before trouble starts and keep them in order. Sometimes it's very difficult to do this if the "fans" involved come from nearby (they don't all arrive enmasse on the same train from the same departure point for example). There is always trouble at local games and the York vs Hull game should have been avoided as a friendly.

If you're from York you support York simple as that, whatever sport you follow. This "freedom of choice" rubbish is just an excuse for being lily-livered. I suppose these Hull fans were exercising their "freedom of choice" by choosing to smash up Lendal Cellars? Violence and treason are not freedoms that should be afforded to anyone whoever they think they are.

Phantom1974 wrote:

Platform 9 wrote:

Phantom1974 wrote: It amazes me how many people not only betray their own community by going to support someone else's, like those who profess their love for Leeds or Hull, but also how quick some fools are to condemn York City, the club who represent the City of York. What a weird place we live in. What a depressing lack of pride and backbone.

Bit of a narrow-minded view? You may as well say that the football Manager and the Players must all come from York in order to play for them. I'm into my 50's and supported Leeds all my life, York City wasn't for me and I'm glad we have freedom of choice in this country. It doesn't matter who you support as long as you pick your team for life and not chop and change when success dictates. Exprienced the violent times of the 70's and 80's so can spot the trouble makers a mile off and they are not there for the football - the Police should be able to spot them straight away and round them up before trouble starts and keep them in order. Sometimes it's very difficult to do this if the "fans" involved come from nearby (they don't all arrive enmasse on the same train from the same departure point for example). There is always trouble at local games and the York vs Hull game should have been avoided as a friendly.

If you're from York you support York simple as that, whatever sport you follow. This "freedom of choice" rubbish is just an excuse for being lily-livered. I suppose these Hull fans were exercising their "freedom of choice" by choosing to smash up Lendal Cellars? Violence and treason are not freedoms that should be afforded to anyone whoever they think they are.

Phantom1974 wrote:

Platform 9 wrote:

Phantom1974 wrote: It amazes me how many people not only betray their own community by going to support someone else's, like those who profess their love for Leeds or Hull, but also how quick some fools are to condemn York City, the club who represent the City of York. What a weird place we live in. What a depressing lack of pride and backbone.

Bit of a narrow-minded view? You may as well say that the football Manager and the Players must all come from York in order to play for them. I'm into my 50's and supported Leeds all my life, York City wasn't for me and I'm glad we have freedom of choice in this country. It doesn't matter who you support as long as you pick your team for life and not chop and change when success dictates. Exprienced the violent times of the 70's and 80's so can spot the trouble makers a mile off and they are not there for the football - the Police should be able to spot them straight away and round them up before trouble starts and keep them in order. Sometimes it's very difficult to do this if the "fans" involved come from nearby (they don't all arrive enmasse on the same train from the same departure point for example). There is always trouble at local games and the York vs Hull game should have been avoided as a friendly.

If you're from York you support York simple as that, whatever sport you follow. This "freedom of choice" rubbish is just an excuse for being lily-livered. I suppose these Hull fans were exercising their "freedom of choice" by choosing to smash up Lendal Cellars? Violence and treason are not freedoms that should be afforded to anyone whoever they think they are.

leninwasright wrote:

Phantom1974 wrote:

Platform 9 wrote:

Phantom1974 wrote: It amazes me how many people not only betray their own community by going to support someone else's, like those who profess their love for Leeds or Hull, but also how quick some fools are to condemn York City, the club who represent the City of York. What a weird place we live in. What a depressing lack of pride and backbone.

Bit of a narrow-minded view? You may as well say that the football Manager and the Players must all come from York in order to play for them. I'm into my 50's and supported Leeds all my life, York City wasn't for me and I'm glad we have freedom of choice in this country. It doesn't matter who you support as long as you pick your team for life and not chop and change when success dictates. Exprienced the violent times of the 70's and 80's so can spot the trouble makers a mile off and they are not there for the football - the Police should be able to spot them straight away and round them up before trouble starts and keep them in order. Sometimes it's very difficult to do this if the "fans" involved come from nearby (they don't all arrive enmasse on the same train from the same departure point for example). There is always trouble at local games and the York vs Hull game should have been avoided as a friendly.

If you're from York you support York simple as that, whatever sport you follow. This "freedom of choice" rubbish is just an excuse for being lily-livered. I suppose these Hull fans were exercising their "freedom of choice" by choosing to smash up Lendal Cellars? Violence and treason are not freedoms that should be afforded to anyone whoever they think they are.

If you don't come from York are you allowed to support your home club or is that treachery ? Or should everyone stay put and live in the town of their birth ? I love York, the city but don't support the team, nor do I wish them harm. On a related point, just how many non-lily-livered people support York City in person ? About 2,500 out of (?)130000 adults living within the city boundaries. I bet more people actively support York Minster than York City.

Platform 9 wrote:

Phantom1974 wrote:

Platform 9 wrote:

Phantom1974 wrote: It amazes me how many people not only betray their own community by going to support someone else's, like those who profess their love for Leeds or Hull, but also how quick some fools are to condemn York City, the club who represent the City of York. What a weird place we live in. What a depressing lack of pride and backbone.

Bit of a narrow-minded view? You may as well say that the football Manager and the Players must all come from York in order to play for them. I'm into my 50's and supported Leeds all my life, York City wasn't for me and I'm glad we have freedom of choice in this country. It doesn't matter who you support as long as you pick your team for life and not chop and change when success dictates. Exprienced the violent times of the 70's and 80's so can spot the trouble makers a mile off and they are not there for the football - the Police should be able to spot them straight away and round them up before trouble starts and keep them in order. Sometimes it's very difficult to do this if the "fans" involved come from nearby (they don't all arrive enmasse on the same train from the same departure point for example). There is always trouble at local games and the York vs Hull game should have been avoided as a friendly.

If you're from York you support York simple as that, whatever sport you follow. This "freedom of choice" rubbish is just an excuse for being lily-livered. I suppose these Hull fans were exercising their "freedom of choice" by choosing to smash up Lendal Cellars? Violence and treason are not freedoms that should be afforded to anyone whoever they think they are.

I'm from York and I support Leeds simple as that. Cyber warriors - Pah!

leninwasright wrote:

Phantom1974 wrote:

Platform 9 wrote:

Phantom1974 wrote: It amazes me how many people not only betray their own community by going to support someone else's, like those who profess their love for Leeds or Hull, but also how quick some fools are to condemn York City, the club who represent the City of York. What a weird place we live in. What a depressing lack of pride and backbone.

Bit of a narrow-minded view? You may as well say that the football Manager and the Players must all come from York in order to play for them. I'm into my 50's and supported Leeds all my life, York City wasn't for me and I'm glad we have freedom of choice in this country. It doesn't matter who you support as long as you pick your team for life and not chop and change when success dictates. Exprienced the violent times of the 70's and 80's so can spot the trouble makers a mile off and they are not there for the football - the Police should be able to spot them straight away and round them up before trouble starts and keep them in order. Sometimes it's very difficult to do this if the "fans" involved come from nearby (they don't all arrive enmasse on the same train from the same departure point for example). There is always trouble at local games and the York vs Hull game should have been avoided as a friendly.

If you're from York you support York simple as that, whatever sport you follow. This "freedom of choice" rubbish is just an excuse for being lily-livered. I suppose these Hull fans were exercising their "freedom of choice" by choosing to smash up Lendal Cellars? Violence and treason are not freedoms that should be afforded to anyone whoever they think they are.

If you don't come from York are you allowed to support your home club or is that treachery ? Or should everyone stay put and live in the town of their birth ? I love York, the city but don't support the team, nor do I wish them harm. On a related point, just how many non-lily-livered people support York City in person ? About 2,500 out of (?)130000 adults living within the city boundaries. I bet more people actively support York Minster than York City.

Lizzie Browning wrote:
2600 at present in the Conference, yes. But in fairness, its not the same bloomin 2600 going to each game! The 12,000 willing to make Wembley trips would give an indication of those with at least a passing association with the club, plus all those like my father who always look out for the results and listen on the radio. As for the support/home city thing - well people are free to choose. Never seen the point of people claiming to be 'more of a fan' than the next person. Madness.

Lizzie Browning wrote:
Mr Sciencefan:
As the leader of Hull council, Carl Minns has seen fit to apologize for the incident on behalf of his city, I think we can assume that as reported by the BBC, Press, YCFC communications and Yorkshire Post - this was an incident caused by a minority of Hull supporters bent on rebel rousing.
Whilst such occurrences are unfortunate and not something any of us want to see, perhaps there needs to be context too. Declaring the whole COMMUNITY stadium project is in danger because of a few dozen idiots who have nothing to do with the club is, in my view, totally out of proportion and reactionary. As is wishing the death of the club.
We go back again to the root of our disagreement, that we ALL have different pastimes and tastes and must accept that taxpayers money cannot just be used on the things we personally like. I don't decry money used for theatre, or cycle lanes (no really), or municipal golf (yuck) courses and its no different with this. The stadium will be used for a multiplicity of community uses - don't sidetrack people with over blowing an isolated incident which had nothing to do with the football club.

Phantom1974 wrote:

leninwasright wrote:

Phantom1974 wrote:

Platform 9 wrote:

Phantom1974 wrote: It amazes me how many people not only betray their own community by going to support someone else's, like those who profess their love for Leeds or Hull, but also how quick some fools are to condemn York City, the club who represent the City of York. What a weird place we live in. What a depressing lack of pride and backbone.

Bit of a narrow-minded view? You may as well say that the football Manager and the Players must all come from York in order to play for them. I'm into my 50's and supported Leeds all my life, York City wasn't for me and I'm glad we have freedom of choice in this country. It doesn't matter who you support as long as you pick your team for life and not chop and change when success dictates. Exprienced the violent times of the 70's and 80's so can spot the trouble makers a mile off and they are not there for the football - the Police should be able to spot them straight away and round them up before trouble starts and keep them in order. Sometimes it's very difficult to do this if the "fans" involved come from nearby (they don't all arrive enmasse on the same train from the same departure point for example). There is always trouble at local games and the York vs Hull game should have been avoided as a friendly.

If you're from York you support York simple as that, whatever sport you follow. This "freedom of choice" rubbish is just an excuse for being lily-livered. I suppose these Hull fans were exercising their "freedom of choice" by choosing to smash up Lendal Cellars? Violence and treason are not freedoms that should be afforded to anyone whoever they think they are.

If you don't come from York are you allowed to support your home club or is that treachery ? Or should everyone stay put and live in the town of their birth ? I love York, the city but don't support the team, nor do I wish them harm. On a related point, just how many non-lily-livered people support York City in person ? About 2,500 out of (?)130000 adults living within the city boundaries. I bet more people actively support York Minster than York City.

The dominance of people in York who are not from the City and who have too much influence and too much to say over what goes on is a whole other depressing weight on the York man's yoke. Like I said, weird place this is let me tell you.

Lizzie Browning wrote:
2600 at present in the Conference, yes. But in fairness, its not the same bloomin 2600 going to each game! The 12,000 willing to make Wembley trips would give an indication of those with at least a passing association with the club, plus all those like my father who always look out for the results and listen on the radio. As for the support/home city thing - well people are free to choose. Never seen the point of people claiming to be 'more of a fan' than the next person. Madness.

Lizzie Browning wrote:
I was born in York and despite the clubs lowly status, have derived years of pleasure from supporting MY local club. However, people support clubs for lots of reasons, for example, following their fathers lead. Or maybe a family moved etc. Sometimes its something else. Whilst that isn't my route, I still respect those whose affections for a team have grown in a different way. Like I said before - tolerance, life is so much better if we don't automatically take a them/us stance over every bloomin' thing!

Phantom1974 wrote:

Lizzie Browning wrote:
I was born in York and despite the clubs lowly status, have derived years of pleasure from supporting MY local club. However, people support clubs for lots of reasons, for example, following their fathers lead. Or maybe a family moved etc. Sometimes its something else. Whilst that isn't my route, I still respect those whose affections for a team have grown in a different way. Like I said before - tolerance, life is so much better if we don't automatically take a them/us stance over every bloomin' thing!

You mean like some of the idiotic bellends on here do every time York City is mentioned?

GemmaN wrote:
It was about 11:00. Me and my friend were going to York for the day, to do some shopping and watch a film. I was walking past Betty's cafe to go round the corner, when suddenly i saw a massive crowd of people talking and staring at a building. They all were taking pictures and filming it. I remember wondering what an earth was going on! Police vans, ambulances and police dogs were everywhere. I felt so shocked! I kept trying to think about why this was happening. A police officer suddenly got out of his van and stubbonly said to the herd of people "There is nothing at all to see here! Get out of the area now!" This made me feel more insecure, i thought of the worst things, a gang with guns, people having a fight and all sorts. My thoughts got even worse when i saw all of the police officers putting on their security jackets and weapons. I decided to leave. I tried to go down a shorter route to get to the city screen cinema, when i heard people saying the street was blocked off. I didn't know what to do. I am just glad it was not something even worse. I have to say, however, that I thought the police were extremly well prepared. Gemma Newbury, 12.

sciencefan wrote:
Ok, so City supported by a few hundred - depends on how you define a few, normal attendances of 1500-2000ish would fit my definition, apologies if not yours That they are badly run - you sort of answered the question for me, I don't really know or care who was the chairman and when, the company is in a less than brilliant financial position so to the outsider which, yes I am, would not reflect well on the management. We can't control our fans - unless you work for YCFC I cant see how this has anything to do with you personally. The club however has both a moral and legal responsibility and as someone else (other than me) said on this forum this episode would not have happened if there was not a football match on. The same goes for Fans leaving the ground and dropping litter etc. Reading the councils proposals - I have read the councils proposals, in detail, I won't go into why it simply remains to say that you and I have different definitions of community benefit. Football fans are all hooligans - of course not! Never tried to claim any such thing. Simply wanted to know if you or anyone else would actually turn around and admit what a dark day it was for football in this city. Big Screen - I think I took the mick out of the on off big screen debacle - my bad sorry if I offended you! However I really can't see how I have backtracked anywhere. I stand by my statements and you've done little to try and counter the arguments just offer excuses and call me reactionary. Its hardly good debate! a good reasoned argument wins out every time, but when your argument against "the club is in a financial mess" is "it was the previous blokes fault" your onto a loser from the off. Nontheless I have enjoyed the debate with those that chose to join in and be civil. That, I think, is that for this feed. Good night all.

YorkCityLuke wrote:

sciencefan wrote:
Ok, so City supported by a few hundred - depends on how you define a few, normal attendances of 1500-2000ish would fit my definition, apologies if not yours That they are badly run - you sort of answered the question for me, I don't really know or care who was the chairman and when, the company is in a less than brilliant financial position so to the outsider which, yes I am, would not reflect well on the management. We can't control our fans - unless you work for YCFC I cant see how this has anything to do with you personally. The club however has both a moral and legal responsibility and as someone else (other than me) said on this forum this episode would not have happened if there was not a football match on. The same goes for Fans leaving the ground and dropping litter etc. Reading the councils proposals - I have read the councils proposals, in detail, I won't go into why it simply remains to say that you and I have different definitions of community benefit. Football fans are all hooligans - of course not! Never tried to claim any such thing. Simply wanted to know if you or anyone else would actually turn around and admit what a dark day it was for football in this city. Big Screen - I think I took the mick out of the on off big screen debacle - my bad sorry if I offended you! However I really can't see how I have backtracked anywhere. I stand by my statements and you've done little to try and counter the arguments just offer excuses and call me reactionary. Its hardly good debate! a good reasoned argument wins out every time, but when your argument against "the club is in a financial mess" is "it was the previous blokes fault" your onto a loser from the off. Nontheless I have enjoyed the debate with those that chose to join in and be civil. That, I think, is that for this feed. Good night all.

There is neither need, nor purpose for debate on the subject. York City FC is a part of this city, it is a way for local people to get together and enjoy themselves, and in fairly recent years the citizens of York have worked hard to save and maintain their club. So what if there's a bit of trouble occasionally? The races cause trouble, drinking in the town center causes trouble... the list of potential things (in any large urban area) which can 'cause trouble' is almost endless. Why is it that you only take exception to the football club? Or is it just that YCFC are not solely around to cater for tourists and make us all rich?

Phantom1974 wrote:
You have to wonder if the Press will be phoning and getting a quote from James Brennan when there is a big fight in town after the races on Friday night?

shiftywillow wrote:

SUPERTIGERS wrote: Muppets! Typical Yorkshire Republic mindset- st , East Riding of Yorkshire- the clues in the name. Riding is an old viking word meaning third. East, West and North Yorkshire. There never was a south Yorks. It was created in 1974 from parts of west Yorks and Derbyshire around the time when they made Humberside. Of course Hull is Yorkshire. More Yorkshire than Rotherham, Barnsley Sheffield etc. You should hate them more than us. A founder member of Yorks. However, we do not care for the Yorks mindset you York village idiots adapt and are pleased to be different. Don't forget Hull has a royal charter and is a Royal town. Kingston upon Hull (Kings town upon Hull) You posh upper class twits/****! Jealous that Nomads are an embarrasment and we are Yorkshire's top boys. I seem to recall a few yrs ago Hull boys coming to help York when playing Grimsby! Anyway, rant over. Altogether now. We all hate Leeds, scum!

I'm seriously underwhelmed following this history/geography lesson. Whilst it may well be true (but you're still regarded as Humberside), nobody really cares about Dull, being on the edge of nowhere on the East Coast. No one wants to go there, Bansholme has no history. Even BT have not wanted to put their phones in the place. Oh and the tears folllowing the demise of Dull's world cup bid. . And as for jealousy, it looks like you view Leeds as your main rivals, but Leeds don't give a toss about Dull (as we pass each other in the leagues going in opposite directions). Remember, remember the 9th of November. .

deathwatch wrote:
"North Yorkshire Police, who arrested two men from Hull and one man from York for disorder offences, said the incident had been 'dealt with robustly'..."
Three arrests is dealing with it "robustly"?!! and what happens to the three individuals? a token paltry fine? A 'slap on the wrist' for 'public order offence'? If they were in Turkey, for example, they'd be thrown in a filthy cell, after a thorough beating and probably raped by the other inmates. then they'd be crying for their mummies. In this country we afford them 'civil human rights'. Pathetic. Police should shoot them dead. They're a waste of oxygen anyway. If Police can beat an innocent man to death in London (Ian Tomlinson), and shoot an innocent Brazilian in a tube station, why not simply shoot these vermin. Then when the do-gooders start whining, shoot them too...