York Station traffic flow under spotlight

COUNCIL chiefs will decide next week if they are to launch a review of traffic flows around York Station.

The problems in that area include the time it takes taxis to make their way around Tea Room Square, and hazards posed by cars emerging from the station.

Councillors will now choose whether it should be the focus of a full-scale analysis when they meet next Tuesday.

Taxi firms have met with Couns Ian Gillies and Sian Wiseman, who suggested the topic for a review, as well as engineering heads at the council. There were concerns about the length of time needed to get out of the square was putting “a significant fare on the meter” before vehicles even make it onto Station Road.

“This frustrates the passengers and does not give a good impression to visitors,” said a report which will go before the meeting.

“They also commented on the high flow of pedestrians across the two pedestrian crossings, problems turning left and right out of Tea Room Square and car passengers being dropped off in the short-stay car park, causing tailbacks.

“They report a significant problem with race-day buses, special event buses and rail replacement buses, as they indiscriminately park at bus stops displacing the regular services, which further contributes to the traffic congestion in the area.”

Among the suggestions put forward were creating more space for vehicles to turn left out of the square or providing a new lane into it, giving taxis a priority exit measure and putting signal controls in place for the short-stay car park.

The report said discussions had been held with Network Rail and East Coast, who were keen to see what could be done to improve traffic flows.

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8:40am Tue 6 Jul 10

Victor Smythe says...

Why do our so-called leaders have such a talent for designing ridiculous traffic systems - Clifton green, York station, A64 roundabout.....?
Why do our so-called leaders have such a talent for designing ridiculous traffic systems - Clifton green, York station, A64 roundabout.....? Victor Smythe

8:50am Tue 6 Jul 10

agabbiecabby says...

Why don't they just close the short stay carpark thats inside the station, it the traffic going in and out of there that is causing all the problems.
Its not as if there is no other alternative for parking, is there!
Why don't they just close the short stay carpark thats inside the station, it the traffic going in and out of there that is causing all the problems. Its not as if there is no other alternative for parking, is there! agabbiecabby

8:56am Tue 6 Jul 10

peepod says...

How about making more use of the rear entrance to the station. Building a taxi rank here, improved road layout etc. Although it works fine as it is now if YCC start messing about with it they will spend a load of tax payers money making the roads as small as possible, making provisions for cyclists and cause chaos!
How about making more use of the rear entrance to the station. Building a taxi rank here, improved road layout etc. Although it works fine as it is now if YCC start messing about with it they will spend a load of tax payers money making the roads as small as possible, making provisions for cyclists and cause chaos! peepod

9:00am Tue 6 Jul 10

Taken for a Mug says...

What...?? Taxi drivers that are worried they are charging to much??

Seriously we need to convey a meeting of consultants, traffic management bods, air pollution experts and councillors to confirm the the last project in the area was a resounding success.
What...?? Taxi drivers that are worried they are charging to much?? Seriously we need to convey a meeting of consultants, traffic management bods, air pollution experts and councillors to confirm the the last project in the area was a resounding success. Taken for a Mug

9:18am Tue 6 Jul 10

corporal jones says...

Knowing this council they will ban all cars at the station and make it a cycling only zone.
Knowing this council they will ban all cars at the station and make it a cycling only zone. corporal jones

9:31am Tue 6 Jul 10

Victor Smythe says...

CYC seem to go out of their way to make the traffic flow as bad as possible. Some solutions are so simple. Take the junction on Clifon Moor with the Toyota garage on the corner. There is a small traffic island just after BMW. At peak times a large queue of traffic forms as cars wait for the filter to turn right to go past Toyota. Traffic wanting to go straight on to the Bumper Castle can't get through due the the constriction caused by this functionless island and the right turning traffic. It would be such a simple solution to remove the island - but do the council do it? No.
CYC seem to go out of their way to make the traffic flow as bad as possible. Some solutions are so simple. Take the junction on Clifon Moor with the Toyota garage on the corner. There is a small traffic island just after BMW. At peak times a large queue of traffic forms as cars wait for the filter to turn right to go past Toyota. Traffic wanting to go straight on to the Bumper Castle can't get through due the the constriction caused by this functionless island and the right turning traffic. It would be such a simple solution to remove the island - but do the council do it? No. Victor Smythe

10:10am Tue 6 Jul 10

PKH says...

The area around the station was much better before the last revamp, and as for the cycle lane on the opposite side of the road its a joke as it is nearly always obstructed by the rear end of buses. The bus island build for the stupid bendy things encourages pedestrians to cross the road at the wrong point, and as for tea-room square layout words fail me.
The area around the station was much better before the last revamp, and as for the cycle lane on the opposite side of the road its a joke as it is nearly always obstructed by the rear end of buses. The bus island build for the stupid bendy things encourages pedestrians to cross the road at the wrong point, and as for tea-room square layout words fail me. PKH

10:26am Tue 6 Jul 10

hifive says...

Sorry to simplify this, but it has only recently been changed and they should have addressed any potential issues then. We can't afford to alter it again so soon and in this economic climate. There are more pressing matters. If people are paying too much taxi fare, they will simply have to get the bus, walk, or book a taxi with a different company who will pick them up in a place.
Sorry to simplify this, but it has only recently been changed and they should have addressed any potential issues then. We can't afford to alter it again so soon and in this economic climate. There are more pressing matters. If people are paying too much taxi fare, they will simply have to get the bus, walk, or book a taxi with a different company who will pick them up in a place. hifive

10:39am Tue 6 Jul 10

Bishlad says...

hifive wrote:
Sorry to simplify this, but it has only recently been changed and they should have addressed any potential issues then. We can't afford to alter it again so soon and in this economic climate. There are more pressing matters. If people are paying too much taxi fare, they will simply have to get the bus, walk, or book a taxi with a different company who will pick them up in a place.
Absolutely spot on hifive, for God's sake the Council must stop wasting our money. Live with it, it really is not a problem. The station forecourt and the road around the station were never deigned for the type and amount of traffic now using the area, just messing about-at great expense-will only create the problem in another way. Leave it alone!!
[quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: Sorry to simplify this, but it has only recently been changed and they should have addressed any potential issues then. We can't afford to alter it again so soon and in this economic climate. There are more pressing matters. If people are paying too much taxi fare, they will simply have to get the bus, walk, or book a taxi with a different company who will pick them up in a place.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on hifive, for God's sake the Council must stop wasting our money. Live with it, it really is not a problem. The station forecourt and the road around the station were never deigned for the type and amount of traffic now using the area, just messing about-at great expense-will only create the problem in another way. Leave it alone!! Bishlad

11:09am Tue 6 Jul 10

peepod says...

Bishlad wrote:
hifive wrote:
Sorry to simplify this, but it has only recently been changed and they should have addressed any potential issues then. We can't afford to alter it again so soon and in this economic climate. There are more pressing matters. If people are paying too much taxi fare, they will simply have to get the bus, walk, or book a taxi with a different company who will pick them up in a place.
Absolutely spot on hifive, for God's sake the Council must stop wasting our money. Live with it, it really is not a problem. The station forecourt and the road around the station were never deigned for the type and amount of traffic now using the area, just messing about-at great expense-will only create the problem in another way. Leave it alone!!
This amount of traffic WAS here before. The point is that the council has messed about with the layout, with so called improvements without carrying out a basic risk assessment. Like always, it's mistake after mistake with this council and at the expense of the tax payer. They have made silly modifications to so many of our junctions and road layouts, reducing them in size, adding single lanes, creating more space for cyclists, all little one off projects without having some kind of masterplan and a wider traffic management project.
[quote][p][bold]Bishlad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: Sorry to simplify this, but it has only recently been changed and they should have addressed any potential issues then. We can't afford to alter it again so soon and in this economic climate. There are more pressing matters. If people are paying too much taxi fare, they will simply have to get the bus, walk, or book a taxi with a different company who will pick them up in a place.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on hifive, for God's sake the Council must stop wasting our money. Live with it, it really is not a problem. The station forecourt and the road around the station were never deigned for the type and amount of traffic now using the area, just messing about-at great expense-will only create the problem in another way. Leave it alone!![/p][/quote]This amount of traffic WAS here before. The point is that the council has messed about with the layout, with so called improvements without carrying out a basic risk assessment. Like always, it's mistake after mistake with this council and at the expense of the tax payer. They have made silly modifications to so many of our junctions and road layouts, reducing them in size, adding single lanes, creating more space for cyclists, all little one off projects without having some kind of masterplan and a wider traffic management project. peepod

11:13am Tue 6 Jul 10

Unctuous says...

The only long-term solution to this never-ending tinkering is development of the tear drop site behind the station. Although the chances of the bike-obsessed council using the land to ease congestion / provide extra parking are surely less than nil.
The only long-term solution to this never-ending tinkering is development of the tear drop site behind the station. Although the chances of the bike-obsessed council using the land to ease congestion / provide extra parking are surely less than nil. Unctuous

12:01pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Despairing Yorkie says...

Sorry, there are much higher priorities for expenditure than fiddling with this junction again. Whatever arrangement is adopted the traffic will just grow until it is congested again. However, if the taxi-drivers are genuinely concerned about how much fare goes on the meter whilst they are inching around Tea Room Square, all they have to do is adopt a policy of not switching on the meter until they emerge onto Station Road. I'm not holding my breath...
Sorry, there are much higher priorities for expenditure than fiddling with this junction again. Whatever arrangement is adopted the traffic will just grow until it is congested again. However, if the taxi-drivers are genuinely concerned about how much fare goes on the meter whilst they are inching around Tea Room Square, all they have to do is adopt a policy of not switching on the meter until they emerge onto Station Road. I'm not holding my breath... Despairing Yorkie

12:55pm Tue 6 Jul 10

puffingbilly says...

Despairing Yorkie wrote:
Sorry, there are much higher priorities for expenditure than fiddling with this junction again. Whatever arrangement is adopted the traffic will just grow until it is congested again. However, if the taxi-drivers are genuinely concerned about how much fare goes on the meter whilst they are inching around Tea Room Square, all they have to do is adopt a policy of not switching on the meter until they emerge onto Station Road. I'm not holding my breath...
i think you will find that Taxi's are required by law to use their meters as soon as they are hired, and cannot travel without the meter switched on

security words. cash cow
[quote][p][bold]Despairing Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Sorry, there are much higher priorities for expenditure than fiddling with this junction again. Whatever arrangement is adopted the traffic will just grow until it is congested again. However, if the taxi-drivers are genuinely concerned about how much fare goes on the meter whilst they are inching around Tea Room Square, all they have to do is adopt a policy of not switching on the meter until they emerge onto Station Road. I'm not holding my breath...[/p][/quote]i think you will find that Taxi's are required by law to use their meters as soon as they are hired, and cannot travel without the meter switched on security words. cash cow puffingbilly

1:19pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Henry Swanson says...

Taxi Drivers shouldnt get priorty right of way anywhere, they are not public transport they are private hire..... and my cabbie, if you think we are being changed to much how about charging less, because it sure as heck dosent cost £8.50 in petrol from the centre of town to Clifton Moor!!!!
Taxi Drivers shouldnt get priorty right of way anywhere, they are not public transport they are private hire..... and my cabbie, if you think we are being changed to much how about charging less, because it sure as heck dosent cost £8.50 in petrol from the centre of town to Clifton Moor!!!! Henry Swanson

1:26pm Tue 6 Jul 10

yawn.. says...

I'm sure there are much higher priorities in spending, so why doesn't the council stop wasting money on so called improvements to the roads that only seem to get peoples backs up!
I'm sure there are much higher priorities in spending, so why doesn't the council stop wasting money on so called improvements to the roads that only seem to get peoples backs up! yawn..

4:30pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Barstool Knowall says...

The biggest short sighted mistake the Council made in relation to the traffic flow around the Station environs was to reinforce the redundant Queen Street bridge with concrete instead of pulling it down.
This would have made easy access to a large area at the southern end of the Station that could have been used as either a Bus to Train interchange or as a dedicated area for taxi's or short stay/drop off/pickup parking.
The biggest short sighted mistake the Council made in relation to the traffic flow around the Station environs was to reinforce the redundant Queen Street bridge with concrete instead of pulling it down. This would have made easy access to a large area at the southern end of the Station that could have been used as either a Bus to Train interchange or as a dedicated area for taxi's or short stay/drop off/pickup parking. Barstool Knowall

6:21pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Garrowby Turnoff says...

Just get it sorted. It wouldn't cost a fortune to correct the current gormless aptitude test.
Just get it sorted. It wouldn't cost a fortune to correct the current gormless aptitude test. Garrowby Turnoff

9:54pm Tue 6 Jul 10

MarkyMarkMark says...

PKH wrote:
The area around the station was much better before the last revamp, and as for the cycle lane on the opposite side of the road its a joke as it is nearly always obstructed by the rear end of buses. The bus island build for the stupid bendy things encourages pedestrians to cross the road at the wrong point, and as for tea-room square layout words fail me.
Agreed!
And if they returned the 5 spaces in the middle of the Tea Rooms square bit to public use (the ones the Tranport police took over just after the last rework) with a 15 minute limit, then you'd get a whole lot less drivers using the short stay car part for very short stays when they go to buy tickets, collect passengers etc.. Which would free up the single carriageway into the carpark, removing the queue which obstructs traffic.
[quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: The area around the station was much better before the last revamp, and as for the cycle lane on the opposite side of the road its a joke as it is nearly always obstructed by the rear end of buses. The bus island build for the stupid bendy things encourages pedestrians to cross the road at the wrong point, and as for tea-room square layout words fail me.[/p][/quote]Agreed! And if they returned the 5 spaces in the middle of the Tea Rooms square bit to public use (the ones the Tranport police took over just after the last rework) with a 15 minute limit, then you'd get a whole lot less drivers using the short stay car part for very short stays when they go to buy tickets, collect passengers etc.. Which would free up the single carriageway into the carpark, removing the queue which obstructs traffic. MarkyMarkMark

8:13am Thu 8 Jul 10

m dee says...

What about closing the short stay car park and reversing the current flow allowing taxis to back up into the existing short stay park area ,the entry point for taxis and drop off's would be the existing exit with taxis entering the end of the queue using the right hand lane next to the hotel.with a box junction at the exit area near the long stay car park.
What about closing the short stay car park and reversing the current flow allowing taxis to back up into the existing short stay park area ,the entry point for taxis and drop off's would be the existing exit with taxis entering the end of the queue using the right hand lane next to the hotel.with a box junction at the exit area near the long stay car park. m dee

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