Monks Cross named as preferred site for York's community stadium (From York Press)

Monkey2 wrote:
Erm, aren't the athletics club moving out to Heslington? I thought this had been mentioned in quite a few articles now, though I suppose I might have got the wrong end of the stick.
I do know that it was never ever the intention to have a track in the community stadium though

Lizzie Browning wrote:

Monkey2 wrote:
Erm, aren't the athletics club moving out to Heslington? I thought this had been mentioned in quite a few articles now, though I suppose I might have got the wrong end of the stick.
I do know that it was never ever the intention to have a track in the community stadium though

This is correct, with the chairman of York Athletics saying he is pleased with what will be an upgrade in track facilities.
Meanwhile - yeah, just maybe things are moving in the right direction. Hope so.

Lizzie Browning wrote:
All depends on the sort of facilities. Out of town stadia are the way just about all clubs are going and many, Doncaster, Scunthorpe, Burton for example, have made successes of such moves.
Just hope this one isn't to be scuppered by York's infamous NIMBY culture. Will people kindly remember games will be once a fortnight and usually involve a few dozen away fans. We play Forest Green and Barrow nowadays, not Man Utd!

velcro wrote:
Its the first positive,constructiv

e step towards ensuring the future of our clubs.
I dont give a flying **** about the location of the proposed build.
They could build the stadium in scarborough for all I care,as long as I,ve still got a city match to attend!

York Fox wrote:
I think attendances are normally sub 100. I wish I could get this gnawing doubt to go away, but I really don't like the idea of a souless out of town stadium where every visitor, home or away needs to spend an hour travelling to it (with traffic and waiting for busses etc). Also gone are your pre and post match drinks, and the atmosphere that city-centre stadium produces. It also means many people can't simply "pop along" any more, and all will have to shell out for transport costs to get there. God, someone cheer me up!?

WA wrote:
If numbers of away fans are expected at the railway station the Monks Cross P&R bus service could be extended to and from the station. For afternoon matches it would increase patronage on the quieter outward journeys and likewise on the quieter inward journeys

Monkey2 wrote:
Sorry Darren, I've got to disagree. The away turnouts are always low, it's rare to get over 100 as far as I can see. How many did Luton/Oxford bring (for the league games) I don't think even they brought four figures, though would be happy to be proved wrong.

DarrenMiles wrote:

Lizzie Browning wrote:
All depends on the sort of facilities. Out of town stadia are the way just about all clubs are going and many, Doncaster, Scunthorpe, Burton for example, have made successes of such moves.
Just hope this one isn't to be scuppered by York's infamous NIMBY culture. Will people kindly remember games will be once a fortnight and usually involve a few dozen away fans. We play Forest Green and Barrow nowadays, not Man Utd!

To be fair the away crowds even in this league are very rarely low (and we lost those teams at the end of last season). Now we have the likes of Darlo and Grimsby, who will bring four figures. Regardless, the idea would be to get out of this division. I do understand your point though. The trick is to convert the big crowds we got just last season (i.e. over 6,000 on the last game, 4,500 to Stoke as an away following and five figures to Wembley) to go more regularly. Huntington isn't on the other side of the planet, but it needs to be a good stadium to be a focal point, and I agree it needs to be multipurpose for use every day of the week.

velcro wrote:
Nimbys are alive and kicking in downtown Huntington!
You already got a stadium,n.yorks biggest retail park and one of yorks biggest employers on your prairie!
What sort of difference will extending/rebuilding a stadium make ,to the busiest,and might I add most overrated little suburb?
Would a croquet lawn be more palatable to you genteel folk?

wilow412 wrote:
This quote had me in hysterics as you obviously have never been to watch football or rugby in the town as I don't know the last time the knights had a 1000 fans never mind thousands, so I would say your the joke here. You also don't really know much about sport as the track at the uni is currently a cinder track which was lst used before the war. Try and get your facts right

Monkey2 wrote:
I stand corrected then, sorry Darren.

Must say I'm surprised to learn that more than 100 come from any of Eastbourne, Barrow, Crawley, FGR, Gateshead, Hayes & Y, Histon, Tamworth.

Where do you find out the away attendances? I'd be quite interested to see those

velcro wrote:
Nimbys are alive and kicking in downtown Huntington! You already got a stadium,n.yorks biggest retail park and one of yorks biggest employers on your prairie! What sort of difference will extending/rebuilding a stadium make ,to the busiest,and might I add most overrated little suburb? Would a croquet lawn be more palatable to you genteel folk?

corporal jones wrote:
Mr Sunbed can't truly believe this is the best option. Or is he as deluded as Galloway?

Woody Mellor wrote:
I'd be happy to start a petition to put a stop to the whole waste of money. Anyone interested?

DarrenMiles wrote:
This is about the popular sports in York, football and rugby, not jogging used by a few hundred people and mainly none York council tax paying people. It really shouldn't be even discussed in the same breath. You already have a track you can use at the Uni, now please go away and let the sports that have thousands of York council tax payers as supporters sort the stadium out.

HULLMINSTERMAN wrote:
Upset with decision to say the least,
Leaving Bootham Crescent will be strange.
It is now the responsibility of everyone to make sure we get the type of stadium that a City the size of York deserves.
This includes decent food and drink outlets, TV's etc in the concourses and please give us a decent capacity,
6000 is a joke. Make it 10,000 which would be filled for major cup games if away end catered for 3000.

Woody Mellor wrote:
I'd be happy to start a petition to put a stop to the whole waste of money. Anyone interested?

BL2 wrote:

DarrenMiles wrote:
This is about the popular sports in York, football and rugby, not jogging used by a few hundred people and mainly none York council tax paying people. It really shouldn't be even discussed in the same breath. You already have a track you can use at the Uni, now please go away and let the sports that have thousands of York council tax payers as supporters sort the stadium out.

I see lack of knowledge has not stopped you posting rubbish City of York (then Rowntrees Athletics club) DID put money into the current track and I was one of the athletes who helped raise money at the time. It has held local meets and champoinships in the past. Not sure how much is done there any more as I had to give up athletics quite some time ago. At the time there were plenty of athletes training there and almost every one was from York or the surrounding villages.

Why don't you go away and take your pointless comments with you?

DarrenMiles wrote:

BL2 wrote:

DarrenMiles wrote:
This is about the popular sports in York, football and rugby, not jogging used by a few hundred people and mainly none York council tax paying people. It really shouldn't be even discussed in the same breath. You already have a track you can use at the Uni, now please go away and let the sports that have thousands of York council tax payers as supporters sort the stadium out.

I see lack of knowledge has not stopped you posting rubbish City of York (then Rowntrees Athletics club) DID put money into the current track and I was one of the athletes who helped raise money at the time. It has held local meets and champoinships in the past. Not sure how much is done there any more as I had to give up athletics quite some time ago. At the time there were plenty of athletes training there and almost every one was from York or the surrounding villages.

Why don't you go away and take your pointless comments with you?

Jog on sonny. Jog on.

JohnnyByrne wrote:

corporal jones wrote: Mr Sunbed can't truly believe this is the best option. Or is he as deluded as Galloway?

First class C***!

sciencefan wrote:

DarrenMiles wrote:

BL2 wrote:

DarrenMiles wrote:
This is about the popular sports in York, football and rugby, not jogging used by a few hundred people and mainly none York council tax paying people. It really shouldn't be even discussed in the same breath. You already have a track you can use at the Uni, now please go away and let the sports that have thousands of York council tax payers as supporters sort the stadium out.

I see lack of knowledge has not stopped you posting rubbish City of York (then Rowntrees Athletics club) DID put money into the current track and I was one of the athletes who helped raise money at the time. It has held local meets and champoinships in the past. Not sure how much is done there any more as I had to give up athletics quite some time ago. At the time there were plenty of athletes training there and almost every one was from York or the surrounding villages.

Why don't you go away and take your pointless comments with you?

Jog on sonny. Jog on.

Jog on yourself. Barely more than a few hundred come and watch york city on a regular basis and the athletics club as an amateur outfit are a much more worthy cause than a professional football business who should be paying for their own flippin stadium. So why don't you come and run

Lizzie Browning wrote:

sciencefan wrote:

DarrenMiles wrote:

BL2 wrote:

DarrenMiles wrote: This is about the popular sports in York, football and rugby, not jogging used by a few hundred people and mainly none York council tax paying people. It really shouldn't be even discussed in the same breath. You already have a track you can use at the Uni, now please go away and let the sports that have thousands of York council tax payers as supporters sort the stadium out.

I see lack of knowledge has not stopped you posting rubbish City of York (then Rowntrees Athletics club) DID put money into the current track and I was one of the athletes who helped raise money at the time. It has held local meets and champoinships in the past. Not sure how much is done there any more as I had to give up athletics quite some time ago. At the time there were plenty of athletes training there and almost every one was from York or the surrounding villages. Why don't you go away and take your pointless comments with you?

Jog on sonny. Jog on.

Jog on yourself. Barely more than a few hundred come and watch york city on a regular basis and the athletics club as an amateur outfit are a much more worthy cause than a professional football business who should be paying for their own flippin stadium. So why don't you come and run

A few hundred!!? If you are going to spout your usual self-opinionated rubbish, at least get your facts straight. City's average attendance last season was about 2600 and that's in the Conference with little or no away support for some games. Add about a thousand to that if/when we get back in the league. So over the course of a season, even playing in the Conference, that's over 100,000 paying spectators who will bring money to the stadium and into the coffers of the Council. That's without all the retail, conference, community, rugby league and various other uses bringing income in. You also conveniently forget that YCFC will be bringing about £3m to the party for this COMMUNITY facility. Sciencefan - either do some research in future before you post or stop wasting people's time. Its becoming more than wearing having to correct this disinformation and perhaps something for the moderators. If they even exist.

wilow412 wrote:

Lizzie Browning wrote:

sciencefan wrote:

DarrenMiles wrote:

BL2 wrote:

DarrenMiles wrote: This is about the popular sports in York, football and rugby, not jogging used by a few hundred people and mainly none York council tax paying people. It really shouldn't be even discussed in the same breath. You already have a track you can use at the Uni, now please go away and let the sports that have thousands of York council tax payers as supporters sort the stadium out.

I see lack of knowledge has not stopped you posting rubbish City of York (then Rowntrees Athletics club) DID put money into the current track and I was one of the athletes who helped raise money at the time. It has held local meets and champoinships in the past. Not sure how much is done there any more as I had to give up athletics quite some time ago. At the time there were plenty of athletes training there and almost every one was from York or the surrounding villages. Why don't you go away and take your pointless comments with you?

Jog on sonny. Jog on.

Jog on yourself. Barely more than a few hundred come and watch york city on a regular basis and the athletics club as an amateur outfit are a much more worthy cause than a professional football business who should be paying for their own flippin stadium. So why don't you come and run

A few hundred!!? If you are going to spout your usual self-opinionated rubbish, at least get your facts straight. City's average attendance last season was about 2600 and that's in the Conference with little or no away support for some games. Add about a thousand to that if/when we get back in the league. So over the course of a season, even playing in the Conference, that's over 100,000 paying spectators who will bring money to the stadium and into the coffers of the Council. That's without all the retail, conference, community, rugby league and various other uses bringing income in. You also conveniently forget that YCFC will be bringing about £3m to the party for this COMMUNITY facility. Sciencefan - either do some research in future before you post or stop wasting people's time. Its becoming more than wearing having to correct this disinformation and perhaps something for the moderators. If they even exist.

You have obviousley never been to a training night at the athletics club where they regularly have well over a 100 people a night, they also now have a disabled section and all this without funding. I am also positive that the club has over 500 members and provides well for a lot of youngsters in the York area providing them with a good outlet on a evening and its healthy. As a ex thrower and now coach there maybe you should come down and see for yourself without making comments that you know nothing about

redr wrote:

York Fox wrote: I think attendances are normally sub 100. I wish I could get this gnawing doubt to go away, but I really don't like the idea of a souless out of town stadium where every visitor, home or away needs to spend an hour travelling to it (with traffic and waiting for busses etc). Also gone are your pre and post match drinks, and the atmosphere that city-centre stadium produces. It also means many people can't simply "pop along" any more, and all will have to shell out for transport costs to get there. God, someone cheer me up!?

BC is hardly in the city centre and MC is hardly at edge of the universe. It's a two minute walk for me and the thousands who now live in the suburb of Huntington. I may well just pop along some time.

Phantom1974 wrote:

wilow412 wrote:

Lizzie Browning wrote:

sciencefan wrote:

DarrenMiles wrote:

BL2 wrote:

DarrenMiles wrote: This is about the popular sports in York, football and rugby, not jogging used by a few hundred people and mainly none York council tax paying people. It really shouldn't be even discussed in the same breath. You already have a track you can use at the Uni, now please go away and let the sports that have thousands of York council tax payers as supporters sort the stadium out.

I see lack of knowledge has not stopped you posting rubbish City of York (then Rowntrees Athletics club) DID put money into the current track and I was one of the athletes who helped raise money at the time. It has held local meets and champoinships in the past. Not sure how much is done there any more as I had to give up athletics quite some time ago. At the time there were plenty of athletes training there and almost every one was from York or the surrounding villages. Why don't you go away and take your pointless comments with you?

Jog on sonny. Jog on.

Jog on yourself. Barely more than a few hundred come and watch york city on a regular basis and the athletics club as an amateur outfit are a much more worthy cause than a professional football business who should be paying for their own flippin stadium. So why don't you come and run

A few hundred!!? If you are going to spout your usual self-opinionated rubbish, at least get your facts straight. City's average attendance last season was about 2600 and that's in the Conference with little or no away support for some games. Add about a thousand to that if/when we get back in the league. So over the course of a season, even playing in the Conference, that's over 100,000 paying spectators who will bring money to the stadium and into the coffers of the Council. That's without all the retail, conference, community, rugby league and various other uses bringing income in. You also conveniently forget that YCFC will be bringing about £3m to the party for this COMMUNITY facility. Sciencefan - either do some research in future before you post or stop wasting people's time. Its becoming more than wearing having to correct this disinformation and perhaps something for the moderators. If they even exist.

You have obviousley never been to a training night at the athletics club where they regularly have well over a 100 people a night, they also now have a disabled section and all this without funding. I am also positive that the club has over 500 members and provides well for a lot of youngsters in the York area providing them with a good outlet on a evening and its healthy. As a ex thrower and now coach there maybe you should come down and see for yourself without making comments that you know nothing about

Ah, so you're one of the lazy sods who don't replace the divets in the pitch causing the rugby league players to get injured all the time as they go into the potholes left by the ignorant athletics mob?

Monkey2 wrote:
To be honest Woody Mellor, I'm not that bothered about the Art Gallery, or swimming pools, and I'm not that fussed about sunbathing in the museum gardens- so what use are they to me?

If you ask me, we should just sell them off to Persimmon, get a bit of extra cash, and stop wasting council taxpayers' money. I don't really drive in the centre of York either, so we should stop wasting money on repairing the roads.

I do like football though, so we should build the stadium.

As a newly built stadium it will be a lot more suitable for concerts and community events than Bootham Crescent or Huntington Stadium. I'd imagine- seeing as there'll be a funding gap- that the clubs involved, and the council, will be looking at closing that gap with as many, non sporting and cash generating events, as possible.

Minsterview wrote:
There is as much chance of outdoor concerts at the new stadium as there are at other similar facilities nationwide. Fact of the matter is though that there are few (affordable) music acts that can fill even a 6000 capacity stadium and those that can are likely to go the Sheffield arena which eliminates the risk of poor weather. I understand that the Barbican auditorium will reopen next year so we should avoid too much duplication or both will fail financially. I understand that there are some good examples of community activities taking place at the new Chestefield Football ground.Might be a clue there for York?

Monkey2 wrote:
I don't know if there's an official line as to exactly what community activities will be catered for, but I'd imagine that concerts and so forth would be amongst them. York's community stadium is obviously a much smaller project than Wembley- but one only has to look at the amount of non sporting events they're putting on there to recoup some of their losses, to see that something similar would be an effective way of raising revenue. And, having read Woody's post again, I'll admit that I totally went over the top- sorry about that. It just gets quite tiresome for me to read some of the comments on here, from people who'd quite happily see York City go to the wall, whilst thousands of people who love the club, lose the community asset that's most important to them

AngryandFrustrated wrote:
I don't want to pee on the bonfires of most of the posters on this story, but consider the following statement, "although funding gaps running into millions of pounds must be bridged." Exactly how do the "YCFC at all costs" brigade propose that this gap is bridged? The chances of the funding coming from this Council are very thin indeed - they are not a bottomless pit of money and with the Palace of York, swimming pool at the uni etc all there to empty the coffers, there is no money left. To his credit, even Galloway is being non-commital in his comments and refers to maybe a loan but reading between the lines, it will not be a loan to bridge the totality of the funding gap. I suspect that given the current economic climate, there will be no major sponsor to step in and put up funds, so you YCFC die-hards best start arranging something akin to the National Lottery to raise the funds, otherwise this stadium will be nothing more than a good idea which turns into nothing.

Woody Mellor wrote:

Woody Mellor wrote: I'd be happy to start a petition to put a stop to the whole waste of money. Anyone interested?

Guess not then. I was only kidding! Sheesh!!!

Monkey2 wrote:
Zebedee, much as I'd love to stay at BC, the reason we can't do as you suggest is that it would cost considerably more to do it. Pure and simple, it all boils down to money, as it always does

JohnnyByrne wrote:

Woody Mellor wrote:

Woody Mellor wrote: I'd be happy to start a petition to put a stop to the whole waste of money. Anyone interested?

Guess not then. I was only kidding! Sheesh!!!

Nobody's interested in what you have got to say or your petition fella soooooooo what next for Woody Mellor?

JohnnyByrne wrote:

corporal jones wrote:
Mr Sunbed can't truly believe this is the best option. Or is he as deluded as Galloway?

First class C***!

HULLMINSTERMAN wrote:
Upset with decision to say the least, Leaving Bootham Crescent will be strange. It is now the responsibility of everyone to make sure we get the type of stadium that a City the size of York deserves. This includes decent food and drink outlets, TV's etc in the concourses and please give us a decent capacity, 6000 is a joke. Make it 10,000 which would be filled for major cup games if away end catered for 3000.

Woody Mellor wrote:

Monkey2 wrote:
To be honest Woody Mellor, I'm not that bothered about the Art Gallery, or swimming pools, and I'm not that fussed about sunbathing in the museum gardens- so what use are they to me?

If you ask me, we should just sell them off to Persimmon, get a bit of extra cash, and stop wasting council taxpayers' money. I don't really drive in the centre of York either, so we should stop wasting money on repairing the roads.

I do like football though, so we should build the stadium.

As a newly built stadium it will be a lot more suitable for concerts and community events than Bootham Crescent or Huntington Stadium. I'd imagine- seeing as there'll be a funding gap- that the clubs involved, and the council, will be looking at closing that gap with as many, non sporting and cash generating events, as possible.

Thanks for the last paragraph. As for the rest of it, well,.....

Monkey2 wrote:
Do you not see my point Woody?

Just because you don't use a particular service in the City, it doesn't mean that it's not an invaluable asset for thousands of others. That's kind of the thing about community you see, and I'm a little fed up with selfish people not quite grasping that

Woody Mellor wrote:

JohnnyByrne wrote:

corporal jones wrote:
Mr Sunbed can't truly believe this is the best option. Or is he as deluded as Galloway?

First class C***!

Ah, just seen one of your more intellectual posts John. Clever boy!

Lizzie Browning wrote:

Woody Mellor wrote:

JohnnyByrne wrote:

corporal jones wrote:
Mr Sunbed can't truly believe this is the best option. Or is he as deluded as Galloway?

First class C***!

Ah, just seen one of your more intellectual posts John. Clever boy!

Bit ironic when the post you make above calls someone a 'little sh£t'. What a pleasant person you are.....

Lizzie Browning wrote:
Sorry Woody - feminine mystery - one moment your pal, the next scratching your eyeballs out. Will be nice tomorrow, promise. :-)
The 'don't want my taxes to pay for x,y,z' thing will always sharpen my claws though - council tax pays for a whole community's needs and that will always include stuff we all don't like.
But sorry again. Purrrrrrrrr. :-)