Cyclist fighting for her life after two crashes brought rush hour chaos to York

York Press: The scene after the collision between a cyclist and bus in Fulford, York, last night The scene after the collision between a cyclist and bus in Fulford, York, last night

Updated: A WOMAN cyclist from York is today fighting for her life in Leeds General Hospital after she and a bus collided on a major York road.

Police are appealing for witnesses who were in the area at the time.

The cyclist, a 40-year-old local woman, sustained serious head injuries in the collision and is in a critical condition in Leeds General Infirmary.

Traffic sergeant Julian Pearson, of North Yorkshire Police’s Road Policing Group, said: “The police would like to speak to anyone who saw the collision or the cyclist prior to the incident.

“We are also keen to trace any motorists who were leaving the city towards Fulford around the time of the collision. They may have seen the cyclist at the junction of the army barracks with Fulford Road just before the collision occurred.”

The crash, in Fulford Road, was one of two accidents that brought traffic chaos to yesterday evening's rush hour with huge queues of traffic forming in Heslington, Fulford, the city centre and near the Poppletons.

The cyclist was rushed by ambulance to York Hospital at 5.25pm.

She was riding a blue bicycle when it collided with the York Pullman No 55 service heading into the city centre from Fulford.

The accident occurred in the northbound bus lane as the cyclist was turning right out of Imphal Barracks on Fulford Road and collided with a bus.

Major safety work has recently been carried out in Fulford Road, including new bus and cycle lanes.

Scenes of crime investigators were at the scene yesterday evening as police closed Fulford Road closed in both directions between Cemetery Road and Broadway while police investigations were conducted.

Traffic was diverted along Heslington Lane and through the University of York campus until the road was reopened at around 10.30pm.

Huge queues rapidly built up and spread backwards along the inner ring road.

Anyone with any information that could help the investigation is urged to contact Traffic Sergeant Julian Pearson on 0845 60 60 24 7, quoting reference number 12100085300.

About half-an-hour earlier, firefighters had rescued a person who was trapped when three vehicles, a silver Citroen C3 taxi and a white Vauxhall Movano van, and a Toyota collided about 500 yards from the Poppleton turn-off on the A59 near the Wyevale Garden Centre. The man driving the Toyota and the man in the Vauxhall were not injured, but the female passenger in the Citroen C3 taxi sustained minor injuries.

North Yorkshire Fire and Rescue crews used cutting equipment to remove the door of the car and she was assisted out of the vehicle and taken to hospital by ambulance.

A mile-long queue of stationary traffic developed on the A59 York-bound carriageway. The A169 at Low Marishes between Malton and Pickering was also closed and a woman was airlifted to Harrogate Hospital with neck and leg injuries following a road crash there. A road ambulance took a second injured person to York Hospital.

Three vehicles were involved in the crash, a silver Range Rover, a blue Nissan Micra and a red Renault Clio.

Firefighters had to free one person, who was trapped in the wreckage.

More to follow.

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9:56am Fri 28 May 10

sheps lad says...

Hope the lady is OK but it begs the question whether the safety improvements recently carried out have had any influence on events. Lots of negative posts about roads changes on previous article.
Hope the lady is OK but it begs the question whether the safety improvements recently carried out have had any influence on events. Lots of negative posts about roads changes on previous article. sheps lad

11:34am Fri 28 May 10

Jim says...

I think you'll find that the cycle lane is on the road. In some places along there it's difficult to workout which bit of the road you're on because there are so many white lines - short dashes, long dashes, solid ones and bollarded pedestrian refuges in the stranges of places.
There's also a large number of places where the road and pavement are being dug up for utility work which doesn't help.
I think you'll find that the cycle lane is on the road. In some places along there it's difficult to workout which bit of the road you're on because there are so many white lines - short dashes, long dashes, solid ones and bollarded pedestrian refuges in the stranges of places. There's also a large number of places where the road and pavement are being dug up for utility work which doesn't help. Jim

11:39am Fri 28 May 10

anastasia says...

This is a terrible thing to happen and I pray she makes a full recovery! I really hope however, that this leads to an investigation into the attitude of bus drivers towards cyclists. The buses regularly jump lights, and drive too close to bikes, bullying them and hitting their handlebars. This behaviour has to STOP.
This is a terrible thing to happen and I pray she makes a full recovery! I really hope however, that this leads to an investigation into the attitude of bus drivers towards cyclists. The buses regularly jump lights, and drive too close to bikes, bullying them and hitting their handlebars. This behaviour has to STOP. anastasia

11:50am Fri 28 May 10

ScaryDave says...

Basically she had to go through the bus lane to get to the cycle lane, she wasn't able to see the bus nor was the bus able to see her. It was a freak accident caused by a ridiculous bus lane and chances are it will happen again.
Basically she had to go through the bus lane to get to the cycle lane, she wasn't able to see the bus nor was the bus able to see her. It was a freak accident caused by a ridiculous bus lane and chances are it will happen again. ScaryDave

11:51am Fri 28 May 10

smudge1 says...

The speed these buses drive up Fulford Road is disgusting with many having to cross the white line at the junction of cemetery road coming up from town as they are going to fast and the council have put so many new bollards and cycle lanes and bus lanes that the whole road has become a minefield for locals as you have to weave in and out of all these obstacles.It was better left as it was as we had a lot less accidents as everybody knew the road.
The speed these buses drive up Fulford Road is disgusting with many having to cross the white line at the junction of cemetery road coming up from town as they are going to fast and the council have put so many new bollards and cycle lanes and bus lanes that the whole road has become a minefield for locals as you have to weave in and out of all these obstacles.It was better left as it was as we had a lot less accidents as everybody knew the road. smudge1

12:06pm Fri 28 May 10

BL2 says...

Hope she recovers! I was told that she was coming out of Maple Grove rather than the other road and the she didn't see the bus which hit her head on. I'm not sure if the person saw this or was told this second had though...
The new road layout is appalling regardless and has already been described as an accident waiting to happen by more than one person (myself included).
Hope she recovers! I was told that she was coming out of Maple Grove rather than the other road and the she didn't see the bus which hit her head on. I'm not sure if the person saw this or was told this second had though... The new road layout is appalling regardless and has already been described as an accident waiting to happen by more than one person (myself included). BL2

12:14pm Fri 28 May 10

Guy Fawkes says...

I don't know if this could have been an issue here, but on Water End and Clifton Bridge pedestrians routinely walk in the bike lane, forcing the bikes onto the road (i.e. the motor vehicle lane). Because the road has been narrowed to accommodate the cycle lane, that does not leave enough room for cars to overtake bikes safely, resulting either in long traffic queues or dangerous overtaking. The pedestrians' behaviour is a classic example of the law of unintended consequences when they installed those cycle lanes along Water End, I guess.
I don't know if this could have been an issue here, but on Water End and Clifton Bridge pedestrians routinely walk in the bike lane, forcing the bikes onto the road (i.e. the motor vehicle lane). Because the road has been narrowed to accommodate the cycle lane, that does not leave enough room for cars to overtake bikes safely, resulting either in long traffic queues or dangerous overtaking. The pedestrians' behaviour is a classic example of the law of unintended consequences when they installed those cycle lanes along Water End, I guess. Guy Fawkes

12:16pm Fri 28 May 10

mystic_genius says...

BL2 wrote:
Hope she recovers! I was told that she was coming out of Maple Grove rather than the other road and the she didn't see the bus which hit her head on. I'm not sure if the person saw this or was told this second had though... The new road layout is appalling regardless and has already been described as an accident waiting to happen by more than one person (myself included).
But the new road serves it's purpose entirely.
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Now the council will say "look how dangerous vehicles are" and such like. Therefore, the council ploy of removing all vehicles from the road can be served effectively.
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It's a shame someone had to become seriously hurt and I hope she makes a full recovery, however in the council's grand old scheme of things, they must be giggling that more of their appallingly thought out ideas are feeding the masses who call for an end to all motorised transport because it's too fast, too dangerous and too numerous.
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: Hope she recovers! I was told that she was coming out of Maple Grove rather than the other road and the she didn't see the bus which hit her head on. I'm not sure if the person saw this or was told this second had though... The new road layout is appalling regardless and has already been described as an accident waiting to happen by more than one person (myself included).[/p][/quote]But the new road serves it's purpose entirely. ` Now the council will say "look how dangerous vehicles are" and such like. Therefore, the council ploy of removing all vehicles from the road can be served effectively. ` It's a shame someone had to become seriously hurt and I hope she makes a full recovery, however in the council's grand old scheme of things, they must be giggling that more of their appallingly thought out ideas are feeding the masses who call for an end to all motorised transport because it's too fast, too dangerous and too numerous. mystic_genius

12:31pm Fri 28 May 10

Minsterview says...

Please don't jump to conclusions on this.
There has been an accident.
We all hope that the lady recovers.
There will be an investigation.
But remember that there are traffic signals at these junctions which should minimise the risk of conflict.
Please don't jump to conclusions on this. There has been an accident. We all hope that the lady recovers. There will be an investigation. But remember that there are traffic signals at these junctions which should minimise the risk of conflict. Minsterview

1:34pm Fri 28 May 10

JOHNYBOY says...

Guy Fawkes wrote:
I don't know if this could have been an issue here, but on Water End and Clifton Bridge pedestrians routinely walk in the bike lane, forcing the bikes onto the road (i.e. the motor vehicle lane). Because the road has been narrowed to accommodate the cycle lane, that does not leave enough room for cars to overtake bikes safely, resulting either in long traffic queues or dangerous overtaking. The pedestrians' behaviour is a classic example of the law of unintended consequences when they installed those cycle lanes along Water End, I guess.
Hope she makes a recovery - though souds as though she was taking notice of traffic on the road if she pulled out of side street into oncoming traffic.

As regards pedestrians walking in cycle lanes - swhat about the opposite cyclists cycling on paths with n cycle lanes - such as undertaking buses on the footpath on lendal bridge forcing pedstrians to scatter....cycling in pedestrian lanes on clifton moor where there is a cycle lane - so they can ride side by side - telling you as a pedtsrian to do one!! So Guy Fawkes its a 2 way street if cyclists observe the rules of the road there will never be a problem....but maybe because they dont care pedestrians are doing the same!!!
[quote][p][bold]Guy Fawkes[/bold] wrote: I don't know if this could have been an issue here, but on Water End and Clifton Bridge pedestrians routinely walk in the bike lane, forcing the bikes onto the road (i.e. the motor vehicle lane). Because the road has been narrowed to accommodate the cycle lane, that does not leave enough room for cars to overtake bikes safely, resulting either in long traffic queues or dangerous overtaking. The pedestrians' behaviour is a classic example of the law of unintended consequences when they installed those cycle lanes along Water End, I guess.[/p][/quote]Hope she makes a recovery - though souds as though she was taking notice of traffic on the road if she pulled out of side street into oncoming traffic. As regards pedestrians walking in cycle lanes - swhat about the opposite cyclists cycling on paths with n cycle lanes - such as undertaking buses on the footpath on lendal bridge forcing pedstrians to scatter....cycling in pedestrian lanes on clifton moor where there is a cycle lane - so they can ride side by side - telling you as a pedtsrian to do one!! So Guy Fawkes its a 2 way street if cyclists observe the rules of the road there will never be a problem....but maybe because they dont care pedestrians are doing the same!!! JOHNYBOY

2:01pm Fri 28 May 10

Guy Fawkes says...

As some who walks and drives as lot but does not cycle, I agree. My point was that the combination of more cycle lanes being built (or demarcated) but cyclists and pedestrians refusing to their designated patch of tarmac is causing more congestion and provoking idiots (of the walking, cycling and driving variety) into taking risks. None of this would happen in The Netherlands, where no pedestrian would dream of setting foot in a bike lane, vice versa and cyclists also keep off the carriageway intended for trams and motor vehicle. The three-carriageway system (i.e. separate ones for pedestrians, bikes and motor vehicles) works, because everyone uses it as it is intended. That doesn't happen here, but thanks to political correctness only motorists are likely to face any penalty for breaking the rules. Cyclists and pedestrians know that they are untouchable, and behave accordingly.
As some who walks and drives as lot but does not cycle, I agree. My point was that the combination of more cycle lanes being built (or demarcated) but cyclists and pedestrians refusing to their designated patch of tarmac is causing more congestion and provoking idiots (of the walking, cycling and driving variety) into taking risks. None of this would happen in The Netherlands, where no pedestrian would dream of setting foot in a bike lane, vice versa and cyclists also keep off the carriageway intended for trams and motor vehicle. The three-carriageway system (i.e. separate ones for pedestrians, bikes and motor vehicles) works, because everyone uses it as it is intended. That doesn't happen here, but thanks to political correctness only motorists are likely to face any penalty for breaking the rules. Cyclists and pedestrians know that they are untouchable, and behave accordingly. Guy Fawkes

2:06pm Fri 28 May 10

kenny noy says...

smudge1 wrote:
The speed these buses drive up Fulford Road is disgusting with many having to cross the white line at the junction of cemetery road coming up from town as they are going to fast and the council have put so many new bollards and cycle lanes and bus lanes that the whole road has become a minefield for locals as you have to weave in and out of all these obstacles.It was better left as it was as we had a lot less accidents as everybody knew the road.
Bus drivers are a law unto themselves, arrogant miseries who think they own the road.
[quote][p][bold]smudge1[/bold] wrote: The speed these buses drive up Fulford Road is disgusting with many having to cross the white line at the junction of cemetery road coming up from town as they are going to fast and the council have put so many new bollards and cycle lanes and bus lanes that the whole road has become a minefield for locals as you have to weave in and out of all these obstacles.It was better left as it was as we had a lot less accidents as everybody knew the road.[/p][/quote]Bus drivers are a law unto themselves, arrogant miseries who think they own the road. kenny noy

2:57pm Fri 28 May 10

sheps lad says...

It has not been determined whether speed had anything to do with this accident. Let's not castigate bus drivers too readily!
It has not been determined whether speed had anything to do with this accident. Let's not castigate bus drivers too readily! sheps lad

3:30pm Fri 28 May 10

fulfordphilosopher says...

Some of the comments on here are unbelievable
If you don’t know exactly what happened don’t jump to conclusions and don’t go pointing an accusing finger at anyone
Some of the comments on here are unbelievable If you don’t know exactly what happened don’t jump to conclusions and don’t go pointing an accusing finger at anyone fulfordphilosopher

3:43pm Fri 28 May 10

silverjub says...

My thoughts go out to the lady and her friends and family. I cannot believe all the silly self important comments here. Rather let's await the findings of the professionals, i.e. the traffic police. All we are getting here is opinions and not fact. For example I use Fulford Road a lot and I have yet to see these so-called speeding buses!! In fact as a rule they are travelling slower than most other vehicles in my experience. Hysteria Hysteria!!
My thoughts go out to the lady and her friends and family. I cannot believe all the silly self important comments here. Rather let's await the findings of the professionals, i.e. the traffic police. All we are getting here is opinions and not fact. For example I use Fulford Road a lot and I have yet to see these so-called speeding buses!! In fact as a rule they are travelling slower than most other vehicles in my experience. Hysteria Hysteria!! silverjub

4:00pm Fri 28 May 10

Pedro says...

There are various places in York where cyclists are in great danger. Fulford Road is very busy, but nothing like the middle-lane-madness (with traffic missing you by inches both sides) of Foss Islands and Exhibition Square. Cycle lanes do encourage two-abreast chatting and that nullifies the advantages of them.
Like others I only hope the lady makes a full recovery.
There are various places in York where cyclists are in great danger. Fulford Road is very busy, but nothing like the middle-lane-madness (with traffic missing you by inches both sides) of Foss Islands and Exhibition Square. Cycle lanes do encourage two-abreast chatting and that nullifies the advantages of them. Like others I only hope the lady makes a full recovery. Pedro

4:03pm Fri 28 May 10

again says...

Agreed. I have my views on matters connected with this incident, but this is not the report to which they should be attached. Why does the Press allows comments on stories where the known facts are completely inadequate for any conclusions to be reached?
Agreed. I have my views on matters connected with this incident, but this is not the report to which they should be attached. Why does the Press allows comments on stories where the known facts are completely inadequate for any conclusions to be reached? again

5:39pm Fri 28 May 10

pedalling paul says...

A pity that this was opened for comment. Let's all wait until investigations are completed by the Police and other agencies.
A pity that this was opened for comment. Let's all wait until investigations are completed by the Police and other agencies. pedalling paul

6:00pm Fri 28 May 10

Lamplighter says...

As someone who cycles daily so is used to traffic I am too frightened to cycle down Fulford road as it's dangerous.
I really hope this lady recovers fully, my blood goes cold when I hear of accidents of this kind.
Mystic_genious your comments about the council wanting to get rid of all traffic and giggling to themselves about this unfortunate incident playing into their hands are idiotic to say the least.
As someone who cycles daily so is used to traffic I am too frightened to cycle down Fulford road as it's dangerous. I really hope this lady recovers fully, my blood goes cold when I hear of accidents of this kind. Mystic_genious your comments about the council wanting to get rid of all traffic and giggling to themselves about this unfortunate incident playing into their hands are idiotic to say the least. Lamplighter

6:10pm Fri 28 May 10

WA says...

Bus drivers are not worse than drivers of other vehicles. If they were worse then we would hear of far more accidents involving buses.
Bus drivers are not worse than drivers of other vehicles. If they were worse then we would hear of far more accidents involving buses. WA

6:58pm Fri 28 May 10

tcrown says...

A colleague of mine was a few cars back from this accident and saw it happen. She says it looked as though the cyclist pulled out from the side road and didn't seem to notice that the bus had pulled out. She appeared to more or less cycle into it then fell and hit her head. I must say it's a shame that some commentators on here have used this horrible accident to support their own agendas. I really hope she makes a full recovery.
A colleague of mine was a few cars back from this accident and saw it happen. She says it looked as though the cyclist pulled out from the side road and didn't seem to notice that the bus had pulled out. She appeared to more or less cycle into it then fell and hit her head. I must say it's a shame that some commentators on here have used this horrible accident to support their own agendas. I really hope she makes a full recovery. tcrown

7:08pm Fri 28 May 10

Cycling Car Driver says...

I sincerely hope this woman makes a full recovery. I have been told by cyclists who use this road, that it is now much more difficult to turn right out of the barracks. Prior to the bus lane being installed, cyclists could get half way across the road which made it safer for them to cross. Anyone exiting the barracks now has to cross the traffice leaving town & the bus lane before reaching the cycle lane.
I sincerely hope this woman makes a full recovery. I have been told by cyclists who use this road, that it is now much more difficult to turn right out of the barracks. Prior to the bus lane being installed, cyclists could get half way across the road which made it safer for them to cross. Anyone exiting the barracks now has to cross the traffice leaving town & the bus lane before reaching the cycle lane. Cycling Car Driver

8:10pm Fri 28 May 10

LizM says...

I really hope that the lady involved in this accident recovers quickly.

There have been so many stories about the disregard by bus drivers in York and whilst we can't assume that the driver's at fault on this occasion, surely it's time that the level of incidents and accidents in York involving buses is investigated?

Myself and my child were almost hit by an FTR a few weeks ago and I haven't even received a response from my email to First!
I really hope that the lady involved in this accident recovers quickly. There have been so many stories about the disregard by bus drivers in York and whilst we can't assume that the driver's at fault on this occasion, surely it's time that the level of incidents and accidents in York involving buses is investigated? Myself and my child were almost hit by an FTR a few weeks ago and I haven't even received a response from my email to First! LizM

9:05pm Fri 28 May 10

Get-a-grip says...

The buses regularly jump lights

Unlike pedal cyclists?
[quote] The buses regularly jump lights[/quote] Unlike pedal cyclists? Get-a-grip

9:28pm Fri 28 May 10

sheps lad says...

pedalling paul wrote:
A pity that this was opened for comment. Let's all wait until investigations are completed by the Police and other agencies.
Quite agree for once. The thread has got lost again.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: A pity that this was opened for comment. Let's all wait until investigations are completed by the Police and other agencies.[/p][/quote]Quite agree for once. The thread has got lost again. sheps lad

9:36pm Fri 28 May 10

nowthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
A pity that this was opened for comment. Let's all wait until investigations are completed by the Police and other agencies.
Mr Hepworth I too hope that the unfortunate lady recovers.However the maze of cycle lanes which stick to the side of the road and then jump out into the middle of the road near parking areas and strangely appearing and disappearing strangulating bus lanes are a recipe for disaster. Your lobbying for a cycling city has gone too far. forcing the incoming and outgoing motor traffic onto what was the out going lane will cause accidents . I sincerely hope that CoYC contemplate not only cyclists but also motor traffic. We the citizens of York are fed up of the minority dictating to the majority. Bring on the elections.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: A pity that this was opened for comment. Let's all wait until investigations are completed by the Police and other agencies.[/p][/quote]Mr Hepworth I too hope that the unfortunate lady recovers.However the maze of cycle lanes which stick to the side of the road and then jump out into the middle of the road near parking areas and strangely appearing and disappearing strangulating bus lanes are a recipe for disaster. Your lobbying for a cycling city has gone too far. forcing the incoming and outgoing motor traffic onto what was the out going lane will cause accidents . I sincerely hope that CoYC contemplate not only cyclists but also motor traffic. We the citizens of York are fed up of the minority dictating to the majority. Bring on the elections. nowthen

12:24am Sat 29 May 10

rattydriver says...

smudge1 wrote:
The speed these buses drive up Fulford Road is disgusting with many having to cross the white line at the junction of cemetery road coming up from town as they are going to fast and the council have put so many new bollards and cycle lanes and bus lanes that the whole road has become a minefield for locals as you have to weave in and out of all these obstacles.It was better left as it was as we had a lot less accidents as everybody knew the road.
Bus drivers are a law unto themselves, arrogant miseries who think they own the road.

Kenny your a ****, Im guessing your one of these knobs that drive a van, while using ya phone and not giving a shi t about anyone else on the road
smudge1 wrote: The speed these buses drive up Fulford Road is disgusting with many having to cross the white line at the junction of cemetery road coming up from town as they are going to fast and the council have put so many new bollards and cycle lanes and bus lanes that the whole road has become a minefield for locals as you have to weave in and out of all these obstacles.It was better left as it was as we had a lot less accidents as everybody knew the road. Bus drivers are a law unto themselves, arrogant miseries who think they own the road. Kenny your a ****, Im guessing your one of these knobs that drive a van, while using ya phone and not giving a shi t about anyone else on the road rattydriver

7:56am Sat 29 May 10

pedalling paul says...

nowthen wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: A pity that this was opened for comment. Let's all wait until investigations are completed by the Police and other agencies.
Mr Hepworth I too hope that the unfortunate lady recovers.However the maze of cycle lanes which stick to the side of the road and then jump out into the middle of the road near parking areas and strangely appearing and disappearing strangulating bus lanes are a recipe for disaster. Your lobbying for a cycling city has gone too far. forcing the incoming and outgoing motor traffic onto what was the out going lane will cause accidents . I sincerely hope that CoYC contemplate not only cyclists but also motor traffic. We the citizens of York are fed up of the minority dictating to the majority. Bring on the elections.
The principal issue is the sheer volume of private car traffic, much of it short distance and single occupancy. That is a grossly inefficient use of our finite highway capaity, and if unchallenged will lead to gridlock. That WILL be bad news for those who need to use cars, as opposed to those who want to.
The main driver for change is not the City's cycling lobbyists, but successive national Governments acting through the DfT via the Local Transport Plan system. This makes Whitehall grants available to Local Authorities who wisely invest in altternative travel choices. Cycling is one of these.
The local cycling lobbby groups are primarily involved in commenting on the overview and detailed design of individual proposals. The latest one "on the cards" being Fishergate Gyratory.
Again, I suggest that it is not appropriate to speculate publicly on the Fulford Road collision, until all formal proceedings are completed.

I notice that no-one has commented on the second collision, on the A59. Perhaps that's because no cyclists were involved.
[quote][p][bold]nowthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: A pity that this was opened for comment. Let's all wait until investigations are completed by the Police and other agencies.[/p][/quote]Mr Hepworth I too hope that the unfortunate lady recovers.However the maze of cycle lanes which stick to the side of the road and then jump out into the middle of the road near parking areas and strangely appearing and disappearing strangulating bus lanes are a recipe for disaster. Your lobbying for a cycling city has gone too far. forcing the incoming and outgoing motor traffic onto what was the out going lane will cause accidents . I sincerely hope that CoYC contemplate not only cyclists but also motor traffic. We the citizens of York are fed up of the minority dictating to the majority. Bring on the elections.[/p][/quote]The principal issue is the sheer volume of private car traffic, much of it short distance and single occupancy. That is a grossly inefficient use of our finite highway capaity, and if unchallenged will lead to gridlock. That WILL be bad news for those who need to use cars, as opposed to those who want to. The main driver for change is not the City's cycling lobbyists, but successive national Governments acting through the DfT via the Local Transport Plan system. This makes Whitehall grants available to Local Authorities who wisely invest in altternative travel choices. Cycling is one of these. The local cycling lobbby groups are primarily involved in commenting on the overview and detailed design of individual proposals. The latest one "on the cards" being Fishergate Gyratory. Again, I suggest that it is not appropriate to speculate publicly on the Fulford Road collision, until all formal proceedings are completed. I notice that no-one has commented on the second collision, on the A59. Perhaps that's because no cyclists were involved. pedalling paul

10:04am Sat 29 May 10

sheps lad says...

If the local lobby group were involved in the design of this nonsensical layout in Fulford I suggest they and the planners go back to the drawing board!
If the local lobby group were involved in the design of this nonsensical layout in Fulford I suggest they and the planners go back to the drawing board! sheps lad

4:05pm Sat 29 May 10

pedalling paul says...

sheps lad wrote:
If the local lobby group were involved in the design of this nonsensical layout in Fulford I suggest they and the planners go back to the drawing board!
No we were not involved in the design. That was carried out by Halcrow, on behalf of CoYC, but working to national highway design standards laid down by the Dept. for Transport.
The cycle lobby groups were one of several organisations that were invited to comment on the outline, then detailed design.
[quote][p][bold]sheps lad[/bold] wrote: If the local lobby group were involved in the design of this nonsensical layout in Fulford I suggest they and the planners go back to the drawing board![/p][/quote]No we were not involved in the design. That was carried out by Halcrow, on behalf of CoYC, but working to national highway design standards laid down by the Dept. for Transport. The cycle lobby groups were one of several organisations that were invited to comment on the outline, then detailed design. pedalling paul

5:59pm Sat 29 May 10

Get-a-grip says...

Get-a-grip, says...
1:31pm Tue 25 May 10

Believe what you wish but do you honestly think that the number of cyclists has increased as a result of all the pretty painted lines and green boxes on our roads?

I'm sure no one with a grip on reality does.

The pedal cycle is early 20th century and no solution to any problems we have today. On the contrary, in York as I have said above, it is cycling provision that causes congestion.

What we need to do is find out exactly how many actually use the cycle lanes which have cost hundreds of thousands of pounds to provide.

Mentioning these things is always a good way of shutting up the pedalling pillock.

Chumpy, says...
3:27pm Tue 25 May 10

You will find Pedalling pillock will return a day or so later so he can get the final say, when the story is tomorrows news, he normally does!

He did a runner on this one.
[quote] Get-a-grip, says... 1:31pm Tue 25 May 10 Believe what you wish but do you honestly think that the number of cyclists has increased as a result of all the pretty painted lines and green boxes on our roads? I'm sure no one with a grip on reality does. The pedal cycle is early 20th century and no solution to any problems we have today. On the contrary, in York as I have said above, it is cycling provision that causes congestion. What we need to do is find out exactly how many actually use the cycle lanes which have cost hundreds of thousands of pounds to provide. Mentioning these things is always a good way of shutting up the pedalling pillock. Chumpy, says... 3:27pm Tue 25 May 10 You will find Pedalling pillock will return a day or so later so he can get the final say, when the story is tomorrows news, he normally does![/quote] He did a runner on this one. Get-a-grip

6:50pm Sat 29 May 10

Ben Guela says...

I hope that the lady is safe.
As for some of those bus drivers...legallise thugs.
Pedalling Paul...many of the accidents are cause by the cavallier attitiude of cyclists and motor-bikers..and some bus drivers.
I hope that the lady is safe. As for some of those bus drivers...legallise thugs. Pedalling Paul...many of the accidents are cause by the cavallier attitiude of cyclists and motor-bikers..and some bus drivers. Ben Guela

7:03pm Sat 29 May 10

Taken for a Mug says...

I have not seen this road layout but it seems to have followed a similar pigs ear layout to the rest around York.

All the different transport lanes give rise to confusion and a perception of a free safe unhindered run to their very end, unfortunately it seems to absolve their users of any basic road sense.
As has been shown buses travelling at speed down the side of induced stationary traffic is a recipe for disaster.

I hope this person makes a full recovery and will see these schemes removed.
I have not seen this road layout but it seems to have followed a similar pigs ear layout to the rest around York. All the different transport lanes give rise to confusion and a perception of a free safe unhindered run to their very end, unfortunately it seems to absolve their users of any basic road sense. As has been shown buses travelling at speed down the side of induced stationary traffic is a recipe for disaster. I hope this person makes a full recovery and will see these schemes removed. Taken for a Mug

7:39pm Sat 29 May 10

nowthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
nowthen wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: A pity that this was opened for comment. Let's all wait until investigations are completed by the Police and other agencies.
Mr Hepworth I too hope that the unfortunate lady recovers.However the maze of cycle lanes which stick to the side of the road and then jump out into the middle of the road near parking areas and strangely appearing and disappearing strangulating bus lanes are a recipe for disaster. Your lobbying for a cycling city has gone too far. forcing the incoming and outgoing motor traffic onto what was the out going lane will cause accidents . I sincerely hope that CoYC contemplate not only cyclists but also motor traffic. We the citizens of York are fed up of the minority dictating to the majority. Bring on the elections.
The principal issue is the sheer volume of private car traffic, much of it short distance and single occupancy. That is a grossly inefficient use of our finite highway capaity, and if unchallenged will lead to gridlock. That WILL be bad news for those who need to use cars, as opposed to those who want to.
The main driver for change is not the City's cycling lobbyists, but successive national Governments acting through the DfT via the Local Transport Plan system. This makes Whitehall grants available to Local Authorities who wisely invest in altternative travel choices. Cycling is one of these.
The local cycling lobbby groups are primarily involved in commenting on the overview and detailed design of individual proposals. The latest one "on the cards" being Fishergate Gyratory.
Again, I suggest that it is not appropriate to speculate publicly on the Fulford Road collision, until all formal proceedings are completed.

I notice that no-one has commented on the second collision, on the A59. Perhaps that's because no cyclists were involved.
NO Mr Hepworth ! the principal issue here is the safety of all road users! The only reason that no-one has commented on the other accident is because it hasn't had " Major safety work has recently been carried out in Fulford Road, including new bus and cycle lanes. " Your chums in the council may have money to squander in the form of grants but that doesn't give them the green light to impose Water lane fiascos on every entry into the city.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: A pity that this was opened for comment. Let's all wait until investigations are completed by the Police and other agencies.[/p][/quote]Mr Hepworth I too hope that the unfortunate lady recovers.However the maze of cycle lanes which stick to the side of the road and then jump out into the middle of the road near parking areas and strangely appearing and disappearing strangulating bus lanes are a recipe for disaster. Your lobbying for a cycling city has gone too far. forcing the incoming and outgoing motor traffic onto what was the out going lane will cause accidents . I sincerely hope that CoYC contemplate not only cyclists but also motor traffic. We the citizens of York are fed up of the minority dictating to the majority. Bring on the elections.[/p][/quote]The principal issue is the sheer volume of private car traffic, much of it short distance and single occupancy. That is a grossly inefficient use of our finite highway capaity, and if unchallenged will lead to gridlock. That WILL be bad news for those who need to use cars, as opposed to those who want to. The main driver for change is not the City's cycling lobbyists, but successive national Governments acting through the DfT via the Local Transport Plan system. This makes Whitehall grants available to Local Authorities who wisely invest in altternative travel choices. Cycling is one of these. The local cycling lobbby groups are primarily involved in commenting on the overview and detailed design of individual proposals. The latest one "on the cards" being Fishergate Gyratory. Again, I suggest that it is not appropriate to speculate publicly on the Fulford Road collision, until all formal proceedings are completed. I notice that no-one has commented on the second collision, on the A59. Perhaps that's because no cyclists were involved.[/p][/quote]NO Mr Hepworth ! the principal issue here is the safety of all road users! The only reason that no-one has commented on the other accident is because it hasn't had " Major safety work has recently been carried out in Fulford Road, including new bus and cycle lanes. " Your chums in the council may have money to squander in the form of grants but that doesn't give them the green light to impose Water lane fiascos on every entry into the city. nowthen

8:59pm Sat 29 May 10

pedalling paul says...

I find it quite incredible that a commentator should seek to place blame for this collision, on one member of the city's cycle lobby groups.

If you re-read my previous contribution, you will understand the role that we actually play, in helping York like other UK cities, to avoid future gridlock.

We do not have any "chums" on the Council. I and colleagues have a long record of either supporting or opposing various proposals. Our formal comments are always submitted via public consultation, and also by registering to speak at relevant CoYC Committee meetings. We strive to maintain this ethical working relationship.

So far as the awful incident on Fulford Road is concerned, I suggest again that we all respect the sensitivities of the injured lady and her family, and await the outcome of Police investigations.
I find it quite incredible that a commentator should seek to place blame for this collision, on one member of the city's cycle lobby groups. If you re-read my previous contribution, you will understand the role that we actually play, in helping York like other UK cities, to avoid future gridlock. We do not have any "chums" on the Council. I and colleagues have a long record of either supporting or opposing various proposals. Our formal comments are always submitted via public consultation, and also by registering to speak at relevant CoYC Committee meetings. We strive to maintain this ethical working relationship. So far as the awful incident on Fulford Road is concerned, I suggest again that we all respect the sensitivities of the injured lady and her family, and await the outcome of Police investigations. pedalling paul

9:18pm Sat 29 May 10

Get-a-grip says...

and await the outcome of Police investigations.

If it's anything like the tragic case near Terry's, that's two years in the future. Note also, it was another pig's ear of a cycle route designed by an clueless idiot.
[quote] and await the outcome of Police investigations.[/quote] If it's anything like the tragic case near Terry's, that's two years in the future. Note also, it was another pig's ear of a cycle route designed by an clueless idiot. Get-a-grip

9:36pm Sat 29 May 10

moneyforwhat says...

it is a shame that some commentators have used this incident to support their own agendas, as was the decision to have this open for comment. However it does shine through all remarks that everyone is deeply affected by the fact that someone was badly hurt and that everyone offers their sincere good wishes to this lady for her recovery. I also believe that it is showing that the majority are concerned with the way that things are NOT shaping up as one would hope with regard to road safety, we are all after all road users. It is not fair to make a remark without being fully aware of the circumstances. Some bus drivers are not always as you would hope for, some car drivers are not always as you may hope for - but overall they are more regulated due to a variety of constraints than the cyclist or the pedestrian. Perhaps there is a more radical way to resolve what is a bad situation. We are stuck with the fact that the UK is small and overcrowded and that when the basic planning for towns and roads took place it was on a much smaller scale that present day demands. We cannot place the petrol engine in quarantine and I'm not attempting to say that we can manage without four wheels or that cycles are the future but clearly the current introductions are not effective. Overall I take some satisfaction that four wheels are governed by tests and insurances so it shouldn't really be the case that two wheels or two feet may always blame the former. For something to work the basic requirement is for awareness. As there are so many 'bits' in the equation it somehow needs to go back to basics. OK so roads are roads and footpaths are footpaths....just maybe the safe way for the cycle is for a new way to be devised for their road usage which will allow for them to take priority within a time zone on the road which are constant time zones, perhaps half hourly, throughout the day. Something which could be written in to the highway code (a new code to encompass all manner of road usage... pedestrians - the lot) for ALL to understand and adhere to...and if they didn't an appropriate fine should be issued as a reminder that we all must be aware. This is no place for rants when someone has been so badly hurt in a road accident, and an accident in an area where perhaps the undergoing improvement isn't really the improvement which is needed.
it is a shame that some commentators have used this incident to support their own agendas, as was the decision to have this open for comment. However it does shine through all remarks that everyone is deeply affected by the fact that someone was badly hurt and that everyone offers their sincere good wishes to this lady for her recovery. I also believe that it is showing that the majority are concerned with the way that things are NOT shaping up as one would hope with regard to road safety, we are all after all road users. It is not fair to make a remark without being fully aware of the circumstances. Some bus drivers are not always as you would hope for, some car drivers are not always as you may hope for - but overall they are more regulated due to a variety of constraints than the cyclist or the pedestrian. Perhaps there is a more radical way to resolve what is a bad situation. We are stuck with the fact that the UK is small and overcrowded and that when the basic planning for towns and roads took place it was on a much smaller scale that present day demands. We cannot place the petrol engine in quarantine and I'm not attempting to say that we can manage without four wheels or that cycles are the future but clearly the current introductions are not effective. Overall I take some satisfaction that four wheels are governed by tests and insurances so it shouldn't really be the case that two wheels or two feet may always blame the former. For something to work the basic requirement is for awareness. As there are so many 'bits' in the equation it somehow needs to go back to basics. OK so roads are roads and footpaths are footpaths....just maybe the safe way for the cycle is for a new way to be devised for their road usage which will allow for them to take priority within a time zone on the road which are constant time zones, perhaps half hourly, throughout the day. Something which could be written in to the highway code (a new code to encompass all manner of road usage... pedestrians - the lot) for ALL to understand and adhere to...and if they didn't an appropriate fine should be issued as a reminder that we all must be aware. This is no place for rants when someone has been so badly hurt in a road accident, and an accident in an area where perhaps the undergoing improvement isn't really the improvement which is needed. moneyforwhat

10:01pm Sat 29 May 10

Get-a-grip says...

Some prophetic comments here -

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Some prophetic comments here - www.yorkpress.co.uk/ features/readerslett ers/8183384.New_layo ut_at_Fulford_Road/# commentsList Get-a-grip

9:14am Sun 30 May 10

nowthen says...

Did you support this one Mr Hepworth ?
Did you support this one Mr Hepworth ? nowthen

9:35am Sun 30 May 10

nowthen says...

Mr Hepworth you wrote " I and colleagues have a long record of either supporting or opposing various proposals" Did you support this one Mr Hepworth ?
Mr Hepworth you wrote " I and colleagues have a long record of either supporting or opposing various proposals" Did you support this one Mr Hepworth ? nowthen

7:09pm Sun 30 May 10

beecroft says...

I cycled past the accident after it had happened. The police had shut the road and they were directing traffic at Hospital Fields and at Broadway.
When I reached Broadway, the policeman held up his hand to stop us, so I stopped and waited while traffic was let out of Broadway West.
When he then stopped them, pointed at us and waved us through, I was nearly knocked off by an idiot driver coming out of Broadway who hadn't even seen the policeman and must have been going on the lights.
The driver kicked right off with me because obviously if I'm on a bike I'm doing something wrong. I tried to show him the policeman directing the traffic but he was having none of it, just kept on being angry at me.
If drivers can be so dim and behave as arrogantly as that in full sight of a policeman and only minutes after a serious incident then what hope is there for any sanity on the roads?
I cycled past the accident after it had happened. The police had shut the road and they were directing traffic at Hospital Fields and at Broadway. When I reached Broadway, the policeman held up his hand to stop us, so I stopped and waited while traffic was let out of Broadway West. When he then stopped them, pointed at us and waved us through, I was nearly knocked off by an idiot driver coming out of Broadway who hadn't even seen the policeman and must have been going on the lights. The driver kicked right off with me because obviously if I'm on a bike I'm doing something wrong. I tried to show him the policeman directing the traffic but he was having none of it, just kept on being angry at me. If drivers can be so dim and behave as arrogantly as that in full sight of a policeman and only minutes after a serious incident then what hope is there for any sanity on the roads? beecroft

9:02am Mon 31 May 10

jacquistephenson says...

my thoughts and prayers go out to this lady and her family .lets hope that she makes a full recovery.
Before blaming the bus drivers ,lets wait and see what the results of the police investigation are ......... remember the evidence never lies .
my thoughts and prayers go out to this lady and her family .lets hope that she makes a full recovery. Before blaming the bus drivers ,lets wait and see what the results of the police investigation are ......... remember the evidence never lies . jacquistephenson

10:55am Mon 31 May 10

Get-a-grip says...

remember the evidence never lies .

Meanwhile, back on planet earth .....
[quote] remember the evidence never lies .[/quote] Meanwhile, back on planet earth ..... Get-a-grip

5:51pm Mon 31 May 10

greenmonkey says...

Becroft makes a good point - too many people have forgotten the notion of using the road according to prevailing conditions rather than on auto-pilot assuming that everyone follows the rules, signs and signals. If there is a sudden downpour, an accident, or a new road layout we all have to adjust and take extra care - for others as well as ourselves. Whatever the rights and wrongs, everyone can do their bit to look out for others and hopefully avoid further tragedies.
Becroft makes a good point - too many people have forgotten the notion of using the road according to prevailing conditions rather than on auto-pilot assuming that everyone follows the rules, signs and signals. If there is a sudden downpour, an accident, or a new road layout we all have to adjust and take extra care - for others as well as ourselves. Whatever the rights and wrongs, everyone can do their bit to look out for others and hopefully avoid further tragedies. greenmonkey

5:54pm Mon 31 May 10

greenmonkey says...

tcrown wrote:
A colleague of mine was a few cars back from this accident and saw it happen. She says it looked as though the cyclist pulled out from the side road and didn't seem to notice that the bus had pulled out. She appeared to more or less cycle into it then fell and hit her head. I must say it's a shame that some commentators on here have used this horrible accident to support their own agendas. I really hope she makes a full recovery.
Traffic sergeant Julian Pearson, of North Yorkshire Police’s Road Policing Group, said: “The police would like to speak to anyone who saw the collision or the cyclist prior to the incident.

“We are also keen to trace any motorists who were leaving the city towards Fulford around the time of the collision. They may have seen the cyclist at the junction of the army barracks with Fulford Road just before the collision occurred.”

Please encourage your colleague to help the police and council to gather information about events leading up tothis accident
[quote][p][bold]tcrown[/bold] wrote: A colleague of mine was a few cars back from this accident and saw it happen. She says it looked as though the cyclist pulled out from the side road and didn't seem to notice that the bus had pulled out. She appeared to more or less cycle into it then fell and hit her head. I must say it's a shame that some commentators on here have used this horrible accident to support their own agendas. I really hope she makes a full recovery.[/p][/quote]Traffic sergeant Julian Pearson, of North Yorkshire Police’s Road Policing Group, said: “The police would like to speak to anyone who saw the collision or the cyclist prior to the incident. “We are also keen to trace any motorists who were leaving the city towards Fulford around the time of the collision. They may have seen the cyclist at the junction of the army barracks with Fulford Road just before the collision occurred.” Please encourage your colleague to help the police and council to gather information about events leading up tothis accident greenmonkey

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