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Osbaldwick residents' concern over student home application


VILLAGERS are calling on York council chiefs to use new powers to control the growth of student households with a “test case” in Osbaldwick.

Local residents and Osbaldwick Parish Council say an application to turn a semi-detached home in Thirkleby Way into a house of multiple occupation should be turned down. They claim student lifestyles can be incompatible with working families and elderly residents, and say there are already a number of student rental properties in the immediate vicinity.

One resident, Laurie Pye, said: “We’re concerned that if any more student properties are allowed, there will be a domino effect, with people selling up because they don’t like it, which will allow more homes to become student houses.”

He said a couple had already decided to put their house on the market after discovering about the application. The parish council said in a letter to York council that it had concerns about the potential for late-night disturbance and parking problems. But it also claimed the loss of any further family housing to the student-let market would add to development pressures on the area’s green belt.

The applicant, Heather Richardson, said she had changed her original proposals to meet concerns. For example, she had reduced the number of students from six to five, to create a garage where wheelie bins and bikes could be stored so they were not left out at the front. She claimed one “problem family” could cause more nuisance than a group of students.

The Government announced in January that landlords could be forced to apply for planning permission to establish a new house of multiple occupation.

The Press reported earlier this year how new figures showed the extent to which some York neighbourhoods were now dominated by student tenants, with more than half of all houses in one street solely occupied by them.


Nine more schemes

CITY of York Council has revealed that the Thirkleby Way proposal is one of nine such applications received, with the others being in Newland Park Drive, Ingleborough Avenue (two schemes), Barstow Avenue, Stanley Street, Melrosegate, Derwent Avenue and Danum Road.

“It’s anticipated that the majority of applications would be determined by officers under delegated powers, unless specific applications are ‘called in’ for a committee decision by a councillor,” said a spokeswoman.

“The new legislation merely brings the occupation of dwellings by three or more unrelated people within planning control, and applications can be approved as well as refused.”


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SensibleSimon, YORK says...
8:40am Wed 26 May 10

Yeah well I don't like living near chavs, but what can you do? Rodents breed quicker than humans.

Students really aren't that bad.

redr, York says...
8:49am Wed 26 May 10

Firstly can I say that I have nothing against students I think they bring fresh life to an area and on the whole add to the quality of life. The main problem for me is greedy landlords. The buy to let landlords are cramming as many students as possible into each property changing every room, even garages into bedrooms. The students are therefore left with no communal living space and are expected to live a cell like existence. With so many people crammed into such a limited environment, with the best will in the world, they are going to create more noise, generate more waste and have transport issues. If a three bed roomed house were to be used by three students there wouldn’t be a problem. Unfortunately the landlords simply see these properties as cash cows providing minimum accommodation for maximum profits. Please don’t blame the students they just need somewhere to live whilst they study. It’s the greed is good mentality of the property owners that cause the problem.

gerry merryweather, Osbaldwick says...
9:28am Wed 26 May 10

Hmmmm, how many of these people will have it written into their wills that when they've passed on their executors have to sell the property for 'family housing' rather than just to the highest bidder.

Let's not pretend that this doesn't happen, when we were looking to move to the area we were out bid a number of times by sellers more interested in making more money by selling for lets than preserving the 'character of the area'.

Here's a suggestion to the people of Osbaldwick, maybe if the vocal few didn't try to keep house prices high by doing everything they could to stop new 'family' houses being built in the area, 'families' would be able to afford the houses, rather than only BTL landlords.

That said, not bothered by students, the houseful near us seem really nice. It's the multi car 'senior' households who think they've a god given right to park on the footpath.

Henry Swanson, Little China says...
9:29am Wed 26 May 10

All this will be irrelevant soon anyway, the government are clamping down on 2nd properties and buy to lets, so this kind of scheme will cease to make money and will fizzle out, sit back, chill, highly doubtful that people are going to fill your areas with student housing if there is no profit

yorkandproud, york says...
9:34am Wed 26 May 10

SensibleSimon wrote:
Yeah well I don't like living near chavs, but what can you do? Rodents breed quicker than humans. Students really aren't that bad.
Is your comment from experience, or just from the "top of your head". Community life, in Hull Road, Heslington Road, Badger Hill, Thief Lane, and Tang Hall areas, plus some others, are being ruined by student houses and the problems they bring.
"Yeah well what can the residents of Osbaldwick do". They can take their concerns through the correct channels, and do all they can to keep their community as they like it. Good luck to the Osbaldwick folk.

sheps lad, york says...
10:39am Wed 26 May 10

Whilst not agreeing with your terminology I accept that there are families who cause more trouble than students. We have several houses near us which are student lets, the students themselves are not a problem. The property owners who do not maintain the houses and gardens create the ghetto effect.

hifive, says...
12:03pm Wed 26 May 10

They're worried this will mean less family homes, yet they oppose the ongoing affordable housing proposal?! Do the Osbaldwick Parish council simply oppose change?

Unctuous, York says...
12:57pm Wed 26 May 10

hifive wrote:
They're worried this will mean less family homes, yet they oppose the ongoing affordable housing proposal?! Do the Osbaldwick Parish council simply oppose change?
No. They oppose building on green belt land and also the spread of "studentification" - and who wouldn't in their right mind?

fate, york says...
1:02pm Wed 26 May 10

No problem with students as such but any transient population will not have the care or respect for something (their house) that they know they will only be in for 8 months or so. They clear out their belongings at the end of this period, the landlords clear out that years flat pac furniture, which has now fallen to bits, and the rubbish piles up. Perhaps Universities should be made to provide adequate accommodation at a fixed (reasonable) price for students? Or perhaps a stringent licensing of any house of multiple occupancy should be enforced. This would also give rights to the occupants and catch those 'landlords' who rent houses out but forget to declare the rent to the tax man. - rant over.

anonyork, York says...
1:36pm Wed 26 May 10

I currently live in Osbaldwick, in a street where there are a lot of houses rented out to students. I can't say the students have ever caused a problem - in the 6 years that the house next door to us has been rented, there have been two parties which went on late into the night and both times we had a note through the door warning us of the possible noise and inviting us not only to the party but promising that if we told them it was too noisy, they would make sure it was turned down! On the whole, they have been thoroughly thoughtful, considerate neighbours. We have just sold our house and our buyer is a parent trying to put his child through university and having the income from the other rooms in the house will no doubt help him afford this, as well as providing him with an asset to sell at the end of the child's university time. You can't blame parents for that - so they're not all greedy landlords who own the student houses!

andr523, York says...
10:17pm Wed 26 May 10

anonyork wrote:
I currently live in Osbaldwick, in a street where there are a lot of houses rented out to students. I can't say the students have ever caused a problem - in the 6 years that the house next door to us has been rented, there have been two parties which went on late into the night and both times we had a note through the door warning us of the possible noise and inviting us not only to the party but promising that if we told them it was too noisy, they would make sure it was turned down! On the whole, they have been thoroughly thoughtful, considerate neighbours. We have just sold our house and our buyer is a parent trying to put his child through university and having the income from the other rooms in the house will no doubt help him afford this, as well as providing him with an asset to sell at the end of the child's university time. You can't blame parents for that - so they're not all greedy landlords who own the student houses!
I do feel so sorry for this parent that he is so poor that the only way he can afford to put his child through university is by buying a house for his child to live in. Get real this poor parent would already have substantial assets to enable him to get a buy to let mortgage. Also since you do not live on planet earth may I just remind you that his destitute child will be able to receive loans, grants and bursaries. Although saying that, since the childs dad has enough income to enable him to finance a but to let property this destitute dad will have to pay for most of the childs living expenses. I can not believe that you was so stupid to fall for such blatant lies by this poor destitute father and child. Did they turn up in rags on your doorstep?

harrimus, Tang Hall says...
9:38am Thu 27 May 10

I am fed up with being tarnished with this 'students = loud, messy, uncaring' brush. Get a grip. Yes, there will always be a minority of people in all groups who set a bad example, but don't blame the majority for their behaviour.

I find it incredibly rude when people say students don't care about their environment. I do, I have always kept my garden tidy and weed free, I chat to the 'local' neighbours, I have friends round but we are civilised people and don't need blaring music, and every vacation I have stayed in York and worked.

And how about this for a concept: some students after graduating STAY in York, because they love the city, have friends here. Some stay to do postgraduate degrees, and some get jobs, thus contributing to the local economy.

Please widen your narrow minds just a fraction.

anonyork, York says...
9:56am Thu 27 May 10

andr523 - I do live in the real world actually, I'm clearly just a lot more tolerant of others than you and if I'm honest, I wouldn't have care WHO bought our house, I was just relieved to have sold it. Yes, the guy who bought our house must have a bit of cash but I don't knock him for putting it towards his child's education. He may make money on the sale of the house after his child finishes uni but I don't really care either way! I don't think I said he was destitute but as a parent myself, I can appreciate that this is a cost-effective way of affording to put your child through higher education. All I said was that I didn't blame him for that and that not all student houses were owned by greedy landlords cramming in as many students as possible!

If we're talking about who is stupid "you was so stupid" is incorrect grammar so don't label me as stupid when you can't even write proper English!

harrimus, Tang Hall says...
10:27am Thu 27 May 10

andr523 - "may I just remind you that his destitute child will be able to receive loans, grants and bursaries."

Only if when means tested their parents income falls into the lower categories will this child be able to receive grants and bursaries.

And at any rate, with the exception of the Uni provided bursary, any grants from the student loans company have to be paid back, despite being called a grant, it's just another loan, which in the end, leaves them worse off because they are in more debt.

andr523, York says...
10:59pm Thu 27 May 10

harrimus wrote:
andr523 - "may I just remind you that his destitute child will be able to receive loans, grants and bursaries."

Only if when means tested their parents income falls into the lower categories will this child be able to receive grants and bursaries.

And at any rate, with the exception of the Uni provided bursary, any grants from the student loans company have to be paid back, despite being called a grant, it's just another loan, which in the end, leaves them worse off because they are in more debt.
You are correct on most of your points however students like myself who have very limited income and no rich parents, do receive a maintenance grant currently £2,906 which do not have to be repaid.

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Laurie Pye and residents at the house in Thirkleby Way, Osbaldwick, which is to be rented to students Laurie Pye and residents at the house in Thirkleby Way, Osbaldwick, which is to be rented to students

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