Results of York transport survey revealed

Results of the transport survey have been revealed

Results of the transport survey have been revealed

Published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , mark.stead@thepress.co.uk

YORK is split on whether congestion- charging should be introduced on the city’s streets.

The results of a public consultation exercise on how to stop York becoming gridlocked have been revealed, with almost 7,300 people having their say.

Almost four in ten of those who responded – 39 per cent – said they would prefer the traffic issue to be tackled without resorting to installing a London-style tax on drivers.

However, 28 per cent say they would favour such a scheme if it meant more cash being available for transport initiatives.

Options for addressing traffic flow around the city and the number of commuters entering and travelling through the heart of York, both of which could involve charging, were backed by 20 per cent and 13 per cent respectively.

The findings will next week go before City of York Council’s cross-party congestion scrutiny committee, which commissioned and agreed the consultation.

Businesses gave congestion charging a resounding no, with only 12 per cent choosing it as their favoured scenario.

The two most popular individual measures for cutting congestion were improving local bus services (69 per cent) and creating a freight depot on the edge of York to reduce the number of delivery trucks entering the city (66 per cent).

Coun Steve Galloway, the council’s executive member for city strategy, said: “While I welcome some of the background information provided by the survey, it is unfortunate the options tabled by the committee for addressing congestion relied so heavily on charging for access.”

“I am not surprised the only option which did not involve charging was favoured by the majority of respondents. This reflects the view revealed by our private surveys and petitions, while supporting the decision taken by the council not to support the introduction of a local road-pricing system.”

Coun Dave Merrett, who chairs the scrutiny committee, said: “The results are very interesting with some important messages.

“The largest single group of respondents favour a no-charging solution in terms of funding higher transport investment, but the three options involving charging actually received more support.”

He said the “logical next step”

would be to draw up detailed long term proposals reflecting the results of the survey, with a particular focus on making bus travel more attractive.


More views about city congestion

• Those who do not use buses said the main barriers to travelling that way were cost, poor frequency of service and reliability.

• Those who do not use bikes, apart from those who do not own one, said the chief deterrents to cycling were safety concerns, health problems or age, the need to carry equipment or bags and the weather.

• Those who do not travel on foot said the main reasons they shied away from walking were because their journeys are too far or take too long, and the need to carry bags or equipment.

• After improving bus services and creating a freight depot, the most popular single measures for cutting congestion were improving the Outer Ring Road junctions, investing in bus infrastructure, opening an extra Park&Ride site on Wetherby Road and providing more space for buses and cyclists.

• Men were more likely to travel around the city by car, with women being more likely to walk to work.

• Over-55s are more likely to use Park&Ride services than younger residents.

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10:10am Mon 10 May 10

UsernameNotAvailable says...

Don't you just love how statistics can be manipulated. I would say that the BBC's headline http://news.bbc.co.u
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'York residents reject congestion charge plan' is a more accurate summary.
Don't you just love how statistics can be manipulated. I would say that the BBC's headline http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/england/north _yorkshire/8671090.s tm 'York residents reject congestion charge plan' is a more accurate summary. UsernameNotAvailable
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10:20am Mon 10 May 10

pedalo paula says...

Why does Steve "I've done so much for York" Galloway persist with these consultations? He will do whatever he feels like regardless of what the people think. The libdems in York are a disgrace to the national party and something that Cleggy could do without.
Why does Steve "I've done so much for York" Galloway persist with these consultations? He will do whatever he feels like regardless of what the people think. The libdems in York are a disgrace to the national party and something that Cleggy could do without. pedalo paula
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10:36am Mon 10 May 10

LibDem says...

pedalo paula wrote:
Why does Steve "I've done so much for York" Galloway persist with these consultations? He will do whatever he feels like regardless of what the people think. The libdems in York are a disgrace to the national party and something that Cleggy could do without.
Actually in this case Steve Galloway had nothing to do with this survey.
It was written by opposition Labour Councillors under the direction of Dave Merrett. It is Labour who favour congestion charging and the questions were slanted towards getting a public endorsement for their views.
Local congestion charging is opposed by Liberal Democrat Councillors.
[quote][p][bold]pedalo paula[/bold] wrote: Why does Steve "I've done so much for York" Galloway persist with these consultations? He will do whatever he feels like regardless of what the people think. The libdems in York are a disgrace to the national party and something that Cleggy could do without.[/p][/quote]Actually in this case Steve Galloway had nothing to do with this survey. It was written by opposition Labour Councillors under the direction of Dave Merrett. It is Labour who favour congestion charging and the questions were slanted towards getting a public endorsement for their views. Local congestion charging is opposed by Liberal Democrat Councillors. LibDem
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11:51am Mon 10 May 10

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

The whole problem with with traffic in the centre of York has been caused over many years of destroying the A1237 with silly roundabouts and developments such as Clifton Moor.
The only way out of this problem is to build our way out of it with a proper dual carrige way that can carry the amount of traffic needed to either by pass the city or feed into the outskirts.
The whole problem with with traffic in the centre of York has been caused over many years of destroying the A1237 with silly roundabouts and developments such as Clifton Moor. The only way out of this problem is to build our way out of it with a proper dual carrige way that can carry the amount of traffic needed to either by pass the city or feed into the outskirts. NoNewsIsGoodNews
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12:46pm Mon 10 May 10

Hydrazine says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
The whole problem with with traffic in the centre of York has been caused over many years of destroying the A1237 with silly roundabouts and developments such as Clifton Moor.
The only way out of this problem is to build our way out of it with a proper dual carrige way that can carry the amount of traffic needed to either by pass the city or feed into the outskirts.
Meanwhile back on planet Earth...
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: The whole problem with with traffic in the centre of York has been caused over many years of destroying the A1237 with silly roundabouts and developments such as Clifton Moor. The only way out of this problem is to build our way out of it with a proper dual carrige way that can carry the amount of traffic needed to either by pass the city or feed into the outskirts.[/p][/quote]Meanwhile back on planet Earth... Hydrazine
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1:05pm Mon 10 May 10

meme says...

How can this article start with... york is split etc..........
Its clear a majority voted AGAINST conjection charging. It was not 50/50% or even near that. If it was an election the NO vote won even with possible proportionate representation
Please YEP do not mislead.Report facts not your wishes!!
How can this article start with... york is split etc.......... Its clear a majority voted AGAINST conjection charging. It was not 50/50% or even near that. If it was an election the NO vote won even with possible proportionate representation Please YEP do not mislead.Report facts not your wishes!! meme
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4:49pm Mon 10 May 10

Ben Guela says...

How much of OUR money is wasted for this report?
The people would give a honest and accurate view without a "report".
More of OUR money wasted by York Council members.
How much of OUR money is wasted for this report? The people would give a honest and accurate view without a "report". More of OUR money wasted by York Council members. Ben Guela
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5:18pm Mon 10 May 10

Eric Style says...

'York is split' - the council says yes the public say no!
'York is split' - the council says yes the public say no! Eric Style
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5:38pm Mon 10 May 10

Caecilius says...

meme wrote:
How can this article start with... york is split etc.......... Its clear a majority voted AGAINST conjection charging. It was not 50/50% or even near that. If it was an election the NO vote won even with possible proportionate representation Please YEP do not mislead.Report facts not your wishes!!
"Almost four in ten of those who responded – 39 per cent – said they would prefer the traffic issue to be tackled without resorting to installing a London-style tax on drivers."

Which means 61% said either that they agreed with, or that they were indifferent to, congestion charging.

Elsewhere, we're told that 20% and 13%, respectively, agreed with two suggestions that involve imposing a charge. That suggests that most of the people completing the survey simply don't care one way or the other. It appears that only a minority said they were actively opposed to charging.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: How can this article start with... york is split etc.......... Its clear a majority voted AGAINST conjection charging. It was not 50/50% or even near that. If it was an election the NO vote won even with possible proportionate representation Please YEP do not mislead.Report facts not your wishes!![/p][/quote]"Almost four in ten of those who responded – 39 per cent – said they would prefer the traffic issue to be tackled without resorting to installing a London-style tax on drivers." Which means 61% said either that they agreed with, or that they were indifferent to, congestion charging. Elsewhere, we're told that 20% and 13%, respectively, agreed with two suggestions that involve imposing a charge. That suggests that most of the people completing the survey simply don't care one way or the other. It appears that only a minority said they were actively opposed to charging. Caecilius
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6:08pm Mon 10 May 10

bloodaxe says...

Just close Eboracum intra muros except for St. Leonard's Place, Museum Street and Station Road to all non-resident and Permit traffic after 11 a.m. and stop messing about.
Just close Eboracum intra muros except for St. Leonard's Place, Museum Street and Station Road to all non-resident and Permit traffic after 11 a.m. and stop messing about. bloodaxe
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6:15pm Mon 10 May 10

bloodaxe says...

Caecilius wrote:
meme wrote: How can this article start with... york is split etc.......... Its clear a majority voted AGAINST conjection charging. It was not 50/50% or even near that. If it was an election the NO vote won even with possible proportionate representation Please YEP do not mislead.Report facts not your wishes!!
"Almost four in ten of those who responded – 39 per cent – said they would prefer the traffic issue to be tackled without resorting to installing a London-style tax on drivers." Which means 61% said either that they agreed with, or that they were indifferent to, congestion charging. Elsewhere, we're told that 20% and 13%, respectively, agreed with two suggestions that involve imposing a charge. That suggests that most of the people completing the survey simply don't care one way or the other. It appears that only a minority said they were actively opposed to charging.
Absolutely. Rather like the Countryside Alliance's posters saying that 70% say Keep Hunting. A minority are pro, a minority are against and the balance are indifferent.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: How can this article start with... york is split etc.......... Its clear a majority voted AGAINST conjection charging. It was not 50/50% or even near that. If it was an election the NO vote won even with possible proportionate representation Please YEP do not mislead.Report facts not your wishes!![/p][/quote]"Almost four in ten of those who responded – 39 per cent – said they would prefer the traffic issue to be tackled without resorting to installing a London-style tax on drivers." Which means 61% said either that they agreed with, or that they were indifferent to, congestion charging. Elsewhere, we're told that 20% and 13%, respectively, agreed with two suggestions that involve imposing a charge. That suggests that most of the people completing the survey simply don't care one way or the other. It appears that only a minority said they were actively opposed to charging.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Rather like the Countryside Alliance's posters saying that 70% say Keep Hunting. A minority are pro, a minority are against and the balance are indifferent. bloodaxe
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7:13pm Mon 10 May 10

TooRelaxed says...

Perhaps most people, like me, received their consultation form excitedly hoping to have their say.
Then, like me, they read it and realised that all the questions were weighted heavily in favour of charging, skewed and not representative of all possible options.
So, like me, they decided it would be a waste of time cos the authority would just do what they want anyway and claim the public voted for it thanks to the specious forms we all filled in.
Guess that's why only 7300 people out of the whole city bothered to respond.
Sham-tastic!
.
A hundred tons of blessings, matey-peeps!
Perhaps most people, like me, received their consultation form excitedly hoping to have their say. Then, like me, they read it and realised that all the questions were weighted heavily in favour of charging, skewed and not representative of all possible options. So, like me, they decided it would be a waste of time cos the authority would just do what they want anyway and claim the public voted for it thanks to the specious forms we all filled in. Guess that's why only 7300 people out of the whole city bothered to respond. Sham-tastic! . A hundred tons of blessings, matey-peeps! TooRelaxed
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11:23pm Mon 10 May 10

Cost Accountant says...

The City has a population of something in the region of 160000 and only 2044 (28% of 7300) of these were in favour of congestion charges.
Hardly the city being split on this subject.
More like a resounding NO.
The City has a population of something in the region of 160000 and only 2044 (28% of 7300) of these were in favour of congestion charges. Hardly the city being split on this subject. More like a resounding NO. Cost Accountant
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7:40am Tue 11 May 10

pedalling paul says...

Cost Accountant wrote:
The City has a population of something in the region of 160000 and only 2044 (28% of 7300) of these were in favour of congestion charges. Hardly the city being split on this subject. More like a resounding NO.
Asking car users to vote in favour of congestion charging, is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a brewery...!
Our Council receives so-called public opinion in one ear, and professional advice from its Transport Planners in the other ear.
If the Council rejected its Officers advice, and responded solely to so-called public opinion, there would be a transport free for all, on York's finite road space. This would quickly precipitate gridlock.
57% of peak car journeys to/from York are short distance. Suburban residents who use a car through desire rather than neccessity, should consider travel alternatives, so that more road capacity is available for those who need to use it.
The new and rebuilt P&R sites are being equipped with cycle access and lockers, so that pedal and ride will be a viable option from areas like Dringhouses and Poppleton.
Bus priority infrastructure, combined with "wedding car" technology to give buses priority at traffic lights, will offer a far better travel option, for those who are unwilling to pedal right into York.
[quote][p][bold]Cost Accountant[/bold] wrote: The City has a population of something in the region of 160000 and only 2044 (28% of 7300) of these were in favour of congestion charges. Hardly the city being split on this subject. More like a resounding NO.[/p][/quote]Asking car users to vote in favour of congestion charging, is like asking an alcoholic to blow up a brewery...! Our Council receives so-called public opinion in one ear, and professional advice from its Transport Planners in the other ear. If the Council rejected its Officers advice, and responded solely to so-called public opinion, there would be a transport free for all, on York's finite road space. This would quickly precipitate gridlock. 57% of peak car journeys to/from York are short distance. Suburban residents who use a car through desire rather than neccessity, should consider travel alternatives, so that more road capacity is available for those who need to use it. The new and rebuilt P&R sites are being equipped with cycle access and lockers, so that pedal and ride will be a viable option from areas like Dringhouses and Poppleton. Bus priority infrastructure, combined with "wedding car" technology to give buses priority at traffic lights, will offer a far better travel option, for those who are unwilling to pedal right into York. pedalling paul
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8:42am Tue 11 May 10

AnotherPointofView says...

"TooRelaxed, Happytown says...
7:13pm Mon 10 May 10

Perhaps most people, like me, received their consultation form excitedly hoping to have their say.
Then, like me, they read it and realised that all the questions were weighted heavily in favour of charging, skewed and not representative of all possible options.
So, like me, they decided it would be a waste of time cos the authority would just do what they want anyway and claim the public voted for it thanks to the specious forms we all filled in.
Guess that's why only 7300 people out of the whole city bothered to respond.
Sham-tastic!"

Couldn't agree more! I did vote (against congestion charge) but felt frustrated at the lack of realistic alternatives to vote for. They did not really reflect the options I wanted.
"TooRelaxed, Happytown says... 7:13pm Mon 10 May 10 Perhaps most people, like me, received their consultation form excitedly hoping to have their say. Then, like me, they read it and realised that all the questions were weighted heavily in favour of charging, skewed and not representative of all possible options. So, like me, they decided it would be a waste of time cos the authority would just do what they want anyway and claim the public voted for it thanks to the specious forms we all filled in. Guess that's why only 7300 people out of the whole city bothered to respond. Sham-tastic!" Couldn't agree more! I did vote (against congestion charge) but felt frustrated at the lack of realistic alternatives to vote for. They did not really reflect the options I wanted. AnotherPointofView
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9:13am Tue 11 May 10

yorkandproud says...

This is a clear example of City of York Council ignoring the wishes of the residents. The figures have obviously been doctored. Galloway and Merrett alike have been doing as they wish for far too long. Your parties have wasted millions of pounds of taxpayers money on your pathetic and unwanted ideas, and consultancy fees. Yet we still are no nearer getting important issues passed like a Community Stadium for York. Move over now, Galloway and Merrett you are "old hat", and let some of the young blood on the council have a chance.
This is a clear example of City of York Council ignoring the wishes of the residents. The figures have obviously been doctored. Galloway and Merrett alike have been doing as they wish for far too long. Your parties have wasted millions of pounds of taxpayers money on your pathetic and unwanted ideas, and consultancy fees. Yet we still are no nearer getting important issues passed like a Community Stadium for York. Move over now, Galloway and Merrett you are "old hat", and let some of the young blood on the council have a chance. yorkandproud
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11:41am Tue 11 May 10

meme says...

So pedalling paul why bother to do the survey if the majority vote is to be ignored? The result was clear and cannot be manipulated because some did not vote Only those who vote can be counted and we cannot presume to imagine what was in the minds of those who did not.
I guess if the vote had been in favour then CoYC would be saying it was all legit but as it was against, and easily, we start the political way of weaseling out of a result CoYC and some of their representatives do not like. This is exactly why politicials are held in total disregard. You are supposed to represent the wishes of the populace not twist things until you get the result you want.
When politicians wake up and realise that they do serve the people and not their own views/ends then perhaps they will start to gain respect again
So pedalling paul why bother to do the survey if the majority vote is to be ignored? The result was clear and cannot be manipulated because some did not vote Only those who vote can be counted and we cannot presume to imagine what was in the minds of those who did not. I guess if the vote had been in favour then CoYC would be saying it was all legit but as it was against, and easily, we start the political way of weaseling out of a result CoYC and some of their representatives do not like. This is exactly why politicials are held in total disregard. You are supposed to represent the wishes of the populace not twist things until you get the result you want. When politicians wake up and realise that they do serve the people and not their own views/ends then perhaps they will start to gain respect again meme
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