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9:31am Tuesday 5th January 2010 in News
By Mike Laycock, Chief reporter
AN INVESTIGATION is being launched into City of York Council’s gritting of roads and pavements, as the Arctic blast tightens its grip on the region.
With further snow expected tonight and tomorrow, York MP Hugh Bayley says he is concerned about the ‘lethal’ state of some pavements and wants to meet with the authority to discuss how it can improve its gritting service.
York Hospital says its emergency department has seen an increase in activity as a result of the snow and ice, including more patients arriving with fractures and sprains.
Meanwhile, almost 2,000 children who returned to school in York yesterday went home again within hours – because of heating problems.
Fulford School said it had to close at lunchtime because the recent unprecedented cold weather, combined with the Christmas closure of its fuel supplier, meant it had used up its reserves of oil. It said a delivery was expected today and some children facing exams would return today, with the rest able to return by tomorrow.
Westfield Primary School closed at mid-morning yesterday because of boiler problems, with head teacher Tracey Ralph saying she hoped it would be able to re-open by tomorrow.
Coun Denise Bowgett, the Labour chairwoman of the council’s Safer City Scrutiny Committee, said it was going to investigate the authority’s current gritting policy, which she said had let down many residents and needed overhauling as quickly as possible.
“Judging by the number of telephone calls/complaints I have received over the Christmas holiday period, this is clearly an urgent and important issue,” she said.
“I would invite residents from all over the city to contact me and tell me their story and the problems they have faced so that my committee can understand the extent of the council’s failure.”
Another Labour councillor, Ken King, claimed the snowy weather of the past fortnight had taken the council by surprise and it had still not caught up.
“Many pavements remain treacherous, and seem to be secondary to the road when it comes to the safety of their users.”
Green councillor and York Cycling Champion Andy D’Agorne said he was pressing for key off-road cycle routes to be gritted and made safe. “Only two days ago, I looked at the one through the barracks to the university and it was a sheet of packed ice,” he said.
Mr Bayley said he felt local authorities had “taken their eye off the ball” over the New Year bank holiday, when gritters had been slow off the mark.
But City of York Council said full grit runs had been made at 3pm, 6pm and 11.30pm on December 31, and at 3am, 5.30am, 3pm and 6pm on January 1.
Coun Ann Reid, executive member for neighbourhood services, dismissed Mr Bayley’s comments and said the council had a process for interpreting specialist weather information it received and it gritted roads whenever those processes dictated that they should.
She said she would be happy if there was a review of the council’s gritting policy “in the light of the exceptional conditions we have been experiencing”.
COUNCIL chiefs say they have spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on gritting this winter – and further bills are likely later for repairs to roads damaged by frost and salt.
City of York Council said it spent £302,000 on salting and ploughing roads last month, and has already spent a further £56,000 this month.
North Yorkshire County Council and East Riding of Yorkshire Council said they did not yet know how much they had spent, although the former said its winter highways budget was in the region of £7.5 million and variations from this could be catered for.
“We are receiving salt supplies and have been assured by our salt supplier that we will get all that we need,” said a spokeswoman, adding there would be damage to the road network once the snow had cleared and the scale of this was being assessed.
Meanwhile, Yorkshire Water is urging visitors to stay well clear of frozen reservoirs, saying they may be tempted to walk on thin ice below which there is likely to be very deep and extremely cold water.
City of York Council's gritting information>>
Including details of which roads and footpaths are gritted, and the location of salt bins in York.
Comments(49)
Minsterview
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10:09am Tue 5 Jan 10
Bishlad
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10:15am Tue 5 Jan 10
Sandycove
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10:23am Tue 5 Jan 10
Jassy
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10:36am Tue 5 Jan 10
redr
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11:05am Tue 5 Jan 10
Minsterview wrote:I’m not so sure that I’d agree about householders clearing the snow. Personally I find it much easier to walk in a couple of inches of fresh snow than many of the partially cleared sections of path. The simple truth is however since the first major snowfall of the winter a few days before Christmas I’ve not seen a single gritter in my area of Huntington.
No amount of salting is going to keep side roads and footpaths clear with snowfall at its present levels. The snowploughs will be out soon. Hopefully with the latest heavy fall householders will on this occasion clear the paths in front of their own homes and those of any disabled neighbours.
bjc
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11:37am Tue 5 Jan 10
redr wrote:I agree redr.
Minsterview wrote: No amount of salting is going to keep side roads and footpaths clear with snowfall at its present levels. The snowploughs will be out soon. Hopefully with the latest heavy fall householders will on this occasion clear the paths in front of their own homes and those of any disabled neighbours.I’m not so sure that I’d agree about householders clearing the snow. Personally I find it much easier to walk in a couple of inches of fresh snow than many of the partially cleared sections of path. The simple truth is however since the first major snowfall of the winter a few days before Christmas I’ve not seen a single gritter in my area of Huntington.
Gromit
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11:41am Tue 5 Jan 10
meme
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11:51am Tue 5 Jan 10
MrsHoney
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11:53am Tue 5 Jan 10
Man with a view
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12:00pm Tue 5 Jan 10
tonezzzznoddedoff
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12:09pm Tue 5 Jan 10
bjc wrote:Agree with this, I have never known the paths as treacherous as they have been this year. Once upon a time council workers used to throw grit from lorries onto the paths by shovel but alas nice new technology takes over and bu****s it up as per usual.
redr wrote:I agree redr.
Minsterview wrote: No amount of salting is going to keep side roads and footpaths clear with snowfall at its present levels. The snowploughs will be out soon. Hopefully with the latest heavy fall householders will on this occasion clear the paths in front of their own homes and those of any disabled neighbours.I’m not so sure that I’d agree about householders clearing the snow. Personally I find it much easier to walk in a couple of inches of fresh snow than many of the partially cleared sections of path. The simple truth is however since the first major snowfall of the winter a few days before Christmas I’ve not seen a single gritter in my area of Huntington.
At least with fresh snow the soles of your boots get a bit of purchase.
I can't remember the footpaths being as bad as they have been - packed with ice and absolutely no grit whatsoever. I also can't ever remember people having to walk on main roads, and risk being knocked over by traffic, because the paths render you incapable of staying upright!
The bottom line is we're not prepared for winter weather.......just plain silly.
yawn..
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12:30pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Minsterview
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12:43pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Vauxhall Viva
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12:57pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Gromit wrote:I pay council tax for the council to do it. Why should I? Also, im not so bothered down my street as it is a fairly quiet street, but when places like front street in acomb are unwalkable there is a major problem with the councils strategy for things like this.
Get up off your bums and clear the snow away like your parents and grandparents used to do, don't wait around for the council to do it.
anastasia
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1:11pm Tue 5 Jan 10
1speedisalluneed
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1:23pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Vauxhall Viva wrote:I live on a hill which has not been gritted and I very much doubt it ever will be however I am quite happy to make an effort and keep the piece of footpath outside my house clear. If a few more people did get off their bums and make a little effort then the paths of York would be a safer place right now. Some people simply want everything done for them.
Gromit wrote: Get up off your bums and clear the snow away like your parents and grandparents used to do, don't wait around for the council to do it.I pay council tax for the council to do it. Why should I? Also, im not so bothered down my street as it is a fairly quiet street, but when places like front street in acomb are unwalkable there is a major problem with the councils strategy for things like this.
tell the truth
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1:41pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Vauxhall Viva wrote:...because you're community spirited?
Gromit wrote: Get up off your bums and clear the snow away like your parents and grandparents used to do, don't wait around for the council to do it.I pay council tax for the council to do it. Why should I? Also, im not so bothered down my street as it is a fairly quiet street, but when places like front street in acomb are unwalkable there is a major problem with the councils strategy for things like this.
tell the truth
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1:45pm Tue 5 Jan 10
bjc wrote:...and then when the compacted snow freezes it becomes dangerous. Much better to clear it
redr wrote:I agree redr. At least with fresh snow the soles of your boots get a bit of purchase. I can't remember the footpaths being as bad as they have been - packed with ice and absolutely no grit whatsoever. I also can't ever remember people having to walk on main roads, and risk being knocked over by traffic, because the paths render you incapable of staying upright! The bottom line is we're not prepared for winter weather.......just plain silly.Minsterview wrote: No amount of salting is going to keep side roads and footpaths clear with snowfall at its present levels. The snowploughs will be out soon. Hopefully with the latest heavy fall householders will on this occasion clear the paths in front of their own homes and those of any disabled neighbours.I’m not so sure that I’d agree about householders clearing the snow. Personally I find it much easier to walk in a couple of inches of fresh snow than many of the partially cleared sections of path. The simple truth is however since the first major snowfall of the winter a few days before Christmas I’ve not seen a single gritter in my area of Huntington.
Jezza49
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2:24pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Sandycove wrote:Don't know where you get the forecasters prediction thing from, I clearly remember warnings from as far back as June last year, that this winter would be the coldest we have had for some time. Even Francis Wilson was one of the forecasters predicting this!
Supposedly this freezing weather system, with much worse still to come, will be locked in over us & the rest of Europe until the end of February. Gritting needs to be used wisely before the country comes to a standstill in the long term. Weather forecasters predicted a barbecue summer & milder than average winter!! No wonder the country is not prepared. We all need to do our bit & revive the community spirit.
Jassy
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2:39pm Tue 5 Jan 10
sukh
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2:59pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Silver
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santa claus
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akuma
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4:20pm Tue 5 Jan 10
scooterboy
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4:31pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Jassy wrote:i blame winter,we have just forgot what winter was like,lets hope the summer follows
I blame global warming
scooterboy
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4:31pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Jassy wrote:i blame winter,we have just forgot what winter was like,lets hope the summer follows
I blame global warming
scooterboy
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4:31pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Jassy wrote:i blame winter,we have just forgot what winter was like,lets hope the summer follows
I blame global warming
scooterboy
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4:32pm Tue 5 Jan 10
oldgoat
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4:46pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Jezza49 wrote:Long term predictions are notoriously dodgy, and the Met Office website makes that very clear.
Sandycove wrote:Don't know where you get the forecasters prediction thing from, I clearly remember warnings from as far back as June last year, that this winter would be the coldest we have had for some time. Even Francis Wilson was one of the forecasters predicting this!
Supposedly this freezing weather system, with much worse still to come, will be locked in over us & the rest of Europe until the end of February. Gritting needs to be used wisely before the country comes to a standstill in the long term. Weather forecasters predicted a barbecue summer & milder than average winter!! No wonder the country is not prepared. We all need to do our bit & revive the community spirit.
This council, along with many others, had several months to get in supplies of grit, when prices were low, and formulate their strategies. They have failed miserably, and should be removed from office for gross incompetence.
50+
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4:59pm Tue 5 Jan 10
50+
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rentonsewell
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jt
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brianmaiden
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6:09pm Tue 5 Jan 10
anastasia wrote:got to disagree with you there. just the other day i saw one of the councils mini gritters doing the cycle lanes in clifton, NOT the footpaths......
NONE of the cycle tracks have been gritted or cleared throughout this cold spell. They have all been completely LETHAL and much worse than most footpaths. Even the cycle routes which go along roads and through bollards (eg Aldwark) where they could have sent a gritter. It is OUTRAGEOUS. How dare they even hint that they are a cycle friendly city when they have treated cyclists so appalingly this month.
H8r
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6:13pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Man with a view wrote:I was there on 18th Dec and they hadn't cleared the paths then either....yet Bootham Hospital was perfectly clear.....I know they're not the same but if one can do it, why couldn't the District?
York Hospital says its emergency department has seen an increase in activity as a result of the snow and ice, including more patients arriving with fractures and sprains. - York hospital wants to look at itself first - i was there first thing this morning and none of the access point into the foyers had been gritted or cleared - wonder how many NHS staff have fallen whilst accessing the building
TooRad
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6:48pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Vauxhall Viva wrote:You pay council tax for the council to do it? Hah! The retail model doesn't apply to tax.
Gromit wrote:I pay council tax for the council to do it. Why should I? Also, im not so bothered down my street as it is a fairly quiet street, but when places like front street in acomb are unwalkable there is a major problem with the councils strategy for things like this.
Get up off your bums and clear the snow away like your parents and grandparents used to do, don't wait around for the council to do it.
TooRad
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6:52pm Tue 5 Jan 10
brianmaiden
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7:00pm Tue 5 Jan 10
TooRad wrote:yeah, it'll be nothing to do with this cold spell/snowfall being worse than the last one will it?
You know, it was pretty funny today to see council workers in hi-viz falling over themselves to be seen gritting today. They were everywhere, in mini-gritters, flat-bed pick-ups, on foot with wheelie bins, everywhere. Looks like everyone being up in arms has had an effect at least...
genghis khan
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7:25pm Tue 5 Jan 10
GailForSwins
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8:29pm Tue 5 Jan 10
uglyboy
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8:31pm Tue 5 Jan 10
Jezza49
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10:44pm Tue 5 Jan 10
oldgoat wrote:If the council had bought in large amounts and not used it all, then that would actually save money in the long term, so why complain?
Jezza49 wrote:Long term predictions are notoriously dodgy, and the Met Office website makes that very clear. Now, had CYC bought in a massive stock of salt, and it stayed mild, you'd have been moaning about the massive waste of money. You cannot have it both ways.Sandycove wrote: Supposedly this freezing weather system, with much worse still to come, will be locked in over us & the rest of Europe until the end of February. Gritting needs to be used wisely before the country comes to a standstill in the long term. Weather forecasters predicted a barbecue summer & milder than average winter!! No wonder the country is not prepared. We all need to do our bit & revive the community spirit.Don't know where you get the forecasters prediction thing from, I clearly remember warnings from as far back as June last year, that this winter would be the coldest we have had for some time. Even Francis Wilson was one of the forecasters predicting this! This council, along with many others, had several months to get in supplies of grit, when prices were low, and formulate their strategies. They have failed miserably, and should be removed from office for gross incompetence.
Vauxhall Viva
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TooRad wrote:The front of my house isnt a problem. Im talking about public footpaths in a major shopping area in York where thousands of people shop most days. Yes, I do pay council tax for this service, and if the council cant do it, where has the money gone that has been put aside for this service?
Vauxhall Viva wrote:You pay council tax for the council to do it? Hah! The retail model doesn't apply to tax. Consumer capitalism has you so brainwashed that you think a compulsory payment is a transaction for goods and services. So much so that it has clouded your ability to function socially. Stop moaning about the council and get yer shovel out!Gromit wrote: Get up off your bums and clear the snow away like your parents and grandparents used to do, don't wait around for the council to do it.I pay council tax for the council to do it. Why should I? Also, im not so bothered down my street as it is a fairly quiet street, but when places like front street in acomb are unwalkable there is a major problem with the councils strategy for things like this.
laughingboy
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sukh
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2:43pm Wed 6 Jan 10
Vauxhall Viva wrote:I agree with Vauxhall Viva wholeheartedly!
TooRad wrote:The front of my house isnt a problem. Im talking about public footpaths in a major shopping area in York where thousands of people shop most days. Yes, I do pay council tax for this service, and if the council cant do it, where has the money gone that has been put aside for this service?
Vauxhall Viva wrote:You pay council tax for the council to do it? Hah! The retail model doesn't apply to tax. Consumer capitalism has you so brainwashed that you think a compulsory payment is a transaction for goods and services. So much so that it has clouded your ability to function socially. Stop moaning about the council and get yer shovel out!Gromit wrote: Get up off your bums and clear the snow away like your parents and grandparents used to do, don't wait around for the council to do it.I pay council tax for the council to do it. Why should I? Also, im not so bothered down my street as it is a fairly quiet street, but when places like front street in acomb are unwalkable there is a major problem with the councils strategy for things like this.
trac
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1:34pm Thu 7 Jan 10
laughingboy wrote:What a great idea get all these people on the dole who are fit and able to report to the council depots give them shovels and wheel barrows full of salt and send them off clearing the paths of the elderly/disabled and churches and if they dont turn up stop there money
i dont see what the problem is,all these people on benefits because they supposedly cant find work, nows there chance to do some, but i think not with all there free money
laughingboy
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2:54pm Thu 7 Jan 10
mystic_genius
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9:32am Sat 9 Jan 10
meme wrote:It's well documented that the climate of the UK will be considerably colder as a result of global warming.
This story was around sometime ago
These are unusual conditions
YCC have done okay, Not perfect, but okay. We need to accept they cannot solve all the problems and we must take responsibility ourselves
Clear paths where we can ourselves, wear sensible shoes not stupid high heels or flat soled shoes and be more careful on ice. its all common sense and like an earlier contributor I am not supporter of our council but I think that they have done a reasonable job in very difficult circumstances
Why waste time and money on an investigation? Accept times are extreeme and all take more responsibility for our own actions.
I think this weather may however make a mockery of the global warming arguement .Hardly a warm summer followed by a freezing winter. Doesn't feel like Global warming to me
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runnermatt says...
10:02am Tue 5 Jan 10