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York campaigners vow to carry on 20mph residential speed limit campaign

DEFIANT campaigners have vowed “we’re not giving up” after hitting another roadblock in their battle to kill speed on York’s residential streets.

City of York Council has rubber-stamped the rejection of a blanket 20mph speed limit being imposed in the city’s residential areas – despite being given the chance to ask the man who turned the idea down to think again.

Calls for a U-turn came from the Twenty’s Plenty group, whose hopes for a city-wide restriction were boosted when the authority’s scrutiny and management committee called in the decision to ditch the scheme, and held a meeting in the Guildhall to rule on whether it could be reconsidered.

But they were left disappointed as a wafer-thin outcome – decided only by committee chairman Coun Paul Healey’s casting vote – meant the council stood by the original view of its executive member for city strategy, Coun Steve Galloway, that the idea of blanket 20mph zones across York should be abandoned.

Coun Galloway’s preferred route was to single out particular streets with speed problems and urge police to use mobile speed cameras.

However, Twenty’s Plenty leader, Anna Semlyen, insisted it would not sound the death knell for the campaign. She said: “Survival statistics show that, at 20mph, 95 per cent of pedestrians or cyclists survive a crash with a car – at 30mph, only 55 per cent do.

“A city-wide 20mph residential limit, without humps, is so better than 30mph for safety, community-building, walkable neighbourhoods, active lifestyles, green travel choices, traffic reduction, pollution and much more.

“Evidence from other cities is that a blanket 20mph area, with a concerted public education campaign, is more effective than orders for isolated road sections. It will soon be standard where people live – York must not lag behind.”

Coun Ruth Potter, along with Coun Dave Merrett, backed calls for the 20mph proposals to be reconsidered. She said: “The decision by Coun Galloway was called in because it was seriously flawed.

“The most serious flaw is that a variety of speed limits tend to undermine drivers sticking to 20mph limits where they have been agreed – 20mph in all residential streets removes all doubt.

“We know residents want this to happen in York, so they can cycle or walk on the streets in safety. We will keep pressing people that this is the right decision.”

Comments(9)

mystic_genius says...
8:14am Wed 17 Jun 09


The last quote is very decisive.

Who said that? Presumably the Twenty's Plenty campaigner(s). I for one am a York resident, and I have not been asked my opinion on this. please provide me statistical evidence that York's population "want this to happen".

Also, "walk on the streets". What on earth is the point in the lovely raised bit of tarmac/paving known as a PAVEMENT or FOOTPATH if you want people to walk on the street?! Unless it means to cross the road which is a differnt point entirely, and CYC are determine to ensure that no single stretch of road longer than 14ft is without pedestrian crossing measures.

Whilst I must agree with Anna Semlyen's stats (in lieu of the fact I don't have any to counteract this), what is the survival rate of people driving and colliding at 10mph? It's bound to be safer than 20mph, so why stop at reducing to 20? 30mph is a realistic speed to be driving in built up areas. 20mph is plain ridiculous.

meme says...
9:10am Wed 17 Jun 09

We know residents want this to happen in York, so they can cycle or walk on the streets in safety. We will keep pressing people that this is the right decision.”
I have not been asked about this and I am a York resident and I DO NOT want a blanket 20mph limit
Some streets should be but NOT all


BL2 says...
12:00pm Wed 17 Jun 09

I certainly have not being asked about this and think a 20mph blanket speed limit is complete rubbish! There is simply no need for it whatsoever.

Mullarkian says...
12:02pm Wed 17 Jun 09

I am a resident and I don't want this to happen. It means vehicles grinding along in low gear, more pollution, longer journey times. And for what coping with pedestrians who do not or will not look before crossing a road. Roads ar not to play games in, they are tehere for access or through traffic.
Semolina will want the 'Red Flag' act brought back before long.

TooRad says...
12:52pm Wed 17 Jun 09

Anyone who has ever seen one of those "Yoga in York" leaflets on noticeboards and in shops and magazines (which will be evryone cos they are everywhere!) will realise that the woman spearheading this campaign is as tenacious as a Jack Russell.
She's not about to give up just because she's wrong or because no-one at all wants this plan.

Jassy says...
1:07pm Wed 17 Jun 09

TooRad wrote:
Anyone who has ever seen one of those "Yoga in York" leaflets on noticeboards and in shops and magazines (which will be evryone cos they are everywhere!) will realise that the woman spearheading this campaign is as tenacious as a Jack Russell.
She's not about to give up just because she's wrong or because no-one at all wants this plan.
She should become a lib dem councillor or maybe even replace Galloway. Seems she has all the relevant character traits.

Stu Pidd says...
1:16pm Wed 17 Jun 09

This is an idealistic but ultimately impractical idea. It's actually quite tricky trying to maintain your speed at 20mph unless there are traffic calming measures such as humps. Stick to 30 and introduce some cameras in proven blackspots.

inyourface says...
9:35pm Wed 17 Jun 09

would this blanket speed apply to bikes too? I have seen bikes going faster than cars in York

mystic_genius says...
7:50am Thu 18 Jun 09

Stu Pidd wrote:
This is an idealistic but ultimately impractical idea. It's actually quite tricky trying to maintain your speed at 20mph unless there are traffic calming measures such as humps. Stick to 30 and introduce some cameras in proven blackspots.

And I think that you've hit the nail on the head there.

Where are the black spots in York? This is being proposed to protect children, so assumedly outside the schools. Anyone managing higher than 10mph outside All Saints school deserves a medal let alone a fine/points. Same story at Huntington School, Manor School, Bootham school. Burnholme School. Copmanthorpe school. I can't think of any others off hand, but dare suggest there are another dozen or so examples.

It is clearly apparent that a blanket limit would be stupid. What worries me though, is that the councillors only voted against this by one vote. That is very worrying.

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