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York politicians ‘sick’ at BNP European election win

Coun David Scott Coun David Scott

MAINSTREAM politicians from York have been left sickened after the far right BNP in Yorkshire won its first seat in the European Parliament.

Andrew Brons, 61, a retired Harrogate College politics lecturer, took a seat previously held by Labour’s Richard Corbett, leaving Linda McAvan as the party’s sole representative in Brussels.

The Tories kept their two Yorkshire seats, with sitting MEPs Edward McMillan-Scott and Timothy Kirkhope both being returned, while UKIP’s Godfrey Bloom and Liberal Democrat Diana Wallis also retained their seats.

Mr Brons claimed that his party, which won 120,000 votes – almost ten per cent of the total votes cast – was not racist, argued that he had survived “lies and misrepresentation”, and claimed that his victory was the first step towards Britain removing itself from an “EU dictatorship”.

But York’s Labour MP, Hugh Bayley, said the BNP’s victory left him feeling “sick in the stomach.”

He claimed the BNP was a party was “full of prejudice and hatred for minorities”, and said it had won the seat not because of an increased vote but because Labour’s vote had collapsed.

He said Labour needed to rally its support to marginalise the far right.

York’s Liberal Democrat council leader, Coun Andrew Waller, claimed Mr Brons’s victory would harm Yorkshire’s image, adding: “I am sure that there will be many thousands of people in the region who now wished that they had turned out to vote for other parties to prevent an extremist MEP being elected.”

He said it was now more essential than ever that the mainstream parties should work hard to connect closer with the electorate.

He said MPs’ expenses had dominated the campaign, and it was essential that MPs did not leave Westminster for their summer holidays before they had sorted out reforms needed to restore public confidence in the system.

The council’s Labour’s group leader, Coun David Scott, claimed the BNP had gained the seat not because of an increase in its vote but because voters had stayed at home. “The BNP do not represent me, my views or those of the residents of York at the European Parliament,” he said. “If Mr Brons thinks otherwise, let him come to York and debate with me.”

The council’s Tory leader, Ian Gillies, claimed the BNP’s victory was a direct result of proportional representation (PR).

“The number of votes for the BNP went down from the last Euro election, but due to the collapse of the Labour vote, the BNP percentage rose, resulting in the gain of the seat,” he said.

“PR brings in minority parties, which often represent views that are offensive to most people, as in the case of the BNP, but those are the rules.”

* Election officials put the turnout for the European elections in Yorkshire and Humber at only 32.33 per cent.


Rally pledges to reverse party’s poll success

DOZENS of protesters gathered in York to show their disappointment at the success of the far-right British National Party (BNP) in the European Elections.

Members of the York branch of Unite Against Fascism (UAF) held a rally in the city’s Exhibition Square last night.

Ben Drake, chair of the York UAF, said: “I think people across Yorkshire will be horrified about being represented by the BNP.

“We want to make it clear that although a low turnout meant the BNP were able to scrape together enough votes to win a seat, the vast majority still oppose them and we will work to unseat them.”

City of York councillor Dave Taylor, who represents the Greens, attended the rally to display his opposition to the BNP.

“I’m shocked and horrified that Yorkshire and Humber has voted to return a BNP candidate to the European Assembly,” he said. “It’s due to people not turning out to vote.”

Comments(54)

plangy says...
9:30am Tue 9 Jun 09

As a former Tory voter who left the country due to ridiculous migration policies by the UK Govt. and the socio-economic problems these are now causing. I do feel that both the major parties now should take a good hard look at themselves and how they have managed to allow all the native britons to become disenfranchised and marginalised by their foolish migration policies over the past 20+ years.

Miss Ottis says...
9:45am Tue 9 Jun 09

Of course they will be sick, someone else will be filling their pockets instead of them.I am not a BNP supporter but I'm not surprised at the election results. Politicians rarely listen or give a straight answer.

mztripps says...
9:47am Tue 9 Jun 09

LOL you complete hypocrite. I hope Australia offers you the warm welcome that you seem to be offering to migrants in the UK. Or does you criticism of the UK migrant policy only extend to brown people and not the literally thousands of Aussies who overstay their UK visitors visas every day? Aussies are the biggest illegal overstayers in Britain and the UK's biggest expense for finding and sending back home; you can check that with the Foreign office.

Pedro says...
9:49am Tue 9 Jun 09

plangy wrote:
As a former Tory voter who left the country due to ridiculous migration policies by the UK Govt. and the socio-economic problems these are now causing. I do feel that both the major parties now should take a good hard look at themselves and how they have managed to allow all the native britons to become disenfranchised and marginalised by their foolish migration policies over the past 20+ years.
So you believe that everyone in the country you moved to welcomed you and thought it was great that you had moved there?

Alan Lineker says...
9:49am Tue 9 Jun 09

What a HUGE turnout last night.

Mr Happy says...
10:09am Tue 9 Jun 09

plangy wrote:
As a former Tory voter who left the country due to ridiculous migration policies by the UK Govt. and the socio-economic problems these are now causing. I do feel that both the major parties now should take a good hard look at themselves and how they have managed to allow all the native britons to become disenfranchised and marginalised by their foolish migration policies over the past 20+ years.
The irony in your first sentence is astounding!

Deniston says...
10:14am Tue 9 Jun 09

When you try and break down nationalism and make it illegal for people to be who they are. When you embrace people who were not born here nor contribute here. When you invent pathetic terms such as positive discrimination. When people feel as though its take, take and take and give to people who do not contribute. When you see crime rise through the roof in areas where there is a massive influx of foreigners. When you see a failing NHS and English language a barrier in hospitals in the same article. When the council tells you that you have been in this coutnry for longer than two years and are entitled to nothing. When you are basically a second class citizen in your own country. That is when you vote BNP. I saw this coming 10 years ago. The left and far left have done nothing but destroy the people of this country, this is simply the result of socialist/borderline Communist ruling that simply wants this country destroyed. Immigration is good, but not on the levels we have seen and not at the expense of the collapse of the very fabric of the nation. I didn't vote BNP, but I can well understand people who did. This is exactly how the Nazis got into power and still people are failing to acknowledge the deeper problem that has given the BNP a voice!

Jassy says...
10:26am Tue 9 Jun 09

Yorks sickened politicians need look no further than the mirror to find the correct people to blame.

who are ya says...
10:31am Tue 9 Jun 09

It will intersting to see how the Goverments new Immergration policy works out ( similar to Autralia I Believe). I think it can only work on Non -EU as EU civilians have the freedom to habitat in any EU state I believe. Imigration is a neccesity as we have an ageing population and smaller birth rate which seems to be forgeten by party's like BNP.

addynuff says...
10:47am Tue 9 Jun 09

as soon as the results were declared the procession of beaten candidates bleating about their defeat and berating the BNP has gone on and on.the BNP candidates won fair and square and they are a legitimate totally legal political party so wake up to the fact that your own particular gravy train has come off the rails

sun seeker's says...
11:09am Tue 9 Jun 09

Jassy wrote:
Yorks sickened politicians need look no further than the mirror to find the correct people to blame.
Very true! They need to get a grip and sort this country out. We are on the verge of losing the "Great" from Great Britain!

Guy Fawkes says...
11:11am Tue 9 Jun 09

Of course they will be sick, someone else will be filling their pockets instead of them.


Precisely. They just don't get it, do they?

Firstly, I'd be interested to hear Coun Waller justify his description of himself as a 'mainstream' politician, when probably only around 4-5% of UK citizens eligible to vote supported his party last Thursday.

Secondly, him and his ilk should consider what their self-righteous moralising sounds like to those on the receiving end. He could have opposed the BNP by examining their stated policies and putting up a rational argument as to why they wouldn't work and/or cause harm. But instead, we get moralistic rhetoric of the 'sickened' variety, coming at the end of a month the 'maintream' attempt to emotionally blackmail voters into supporting a political establishment that's spent the last few years feathering its own nest while the country goes to ruin (another 1,500 jobs lost today at Cheltenham and Gloucester thanks to Gordon's economic miracle, coming after 800 at LDV yesterday).

Soothsayer12.0 says...
11:21am Tue 9 Jun 09

addynuff wrote:
as soon as the results were declared the procession of beaten candidates bleating about their defeat and berating the BNP has gone on and on.the BNP candidates won fair and square and they are a legitimate totally legal political party so wake up to the fact that your own particular gravy train has come off the rails
Those who couldn't be bothered to get off their backside and vote yet bemoan the BNP's success are hypocrites.

Anyone who blames the Westminster sleaze for their stay-at-home "protest" ought to cease their rants at the fascists. If you don't use your vote (and 65% of Yorks & Humber folk didn't) then those that do will prosper, particularly under PR.

The next five years of shame is all down to sheer bloody idleness.

bobby_spray says...
11:51am Tue 9 Jun 09

The BNP vote increased by a tiny amount. Nu Liebours vote crashed by a huge amount. I don’t think you can blame the BNP for that mess.
I am sick to the back teeth with the establishment using pejorative language against the legally elected BNP. If you hate them so much tackle their arguments head on. Defeat them with rational debate. To see politicians walking off stage any time one of the BNP come onto it reminds me of a spoilt child taking home his ball. This has no place in grown up politics. You are effectively saying to 10% of the electorate ‘we hate you and all that you stand for” Not even in NI at the height of the troubles did this happen. Name calling and mock indignation only fuels the felling by their supporters of alienation and being sidelined by mainstream politics.

Hieronymous says...
11:52am Tue 9 Jun 09

plangy of Perth - the "native britons" were disenfranchised by the Romans and subsequently by the English!

HeworthSapper says...
11:54am Tue 9 Jun 09

Deniston, Bexley, Kent YOU ARE SPOT ON!

onlyme123 says...
12:04pm Tue 9 Jun 09

It would help if we knew what we were voting for, there has been minimal campaigning for the Euro parliament and the majority of people dont know what the MP's are campaigning for. Very easy to blame those that didnt vote but it is not our fault that 120,000 which is a lot of people by the way voted for a right wing organisation says a lot about those currently in power.

KarenWhite1978 says...
12:15pm Tue 9 Jun 09

Well, unless there's a major fissure about to break up this island, I think you'll find that Great Britain is here to stay for few thousand years at least.

It's a geographic term, nothing to do with the evolved ape species that live on the island (except Acomb, and BNP headquarters where they are semi-evolved).






BL2 says...
12:24pm Tue 9 Jun 09

who are ya wrote:
It will intersting to see how the Goverments new Immergration policy works out ( similar to Autralia I Believe). I think it can only work on Non -EU as EU civilians have the freedom to habitat in any EU state I believe. Imigration is a neccesity as we have an ageing population and smaller birth rate which seems to be forgeten by party's like BNP.
Not taking sides either way, but a smaller birth rate is no bad ting! This country and the entire world is already overpopulated and using more resources than the planet can sustain...

Bishlad says...
12:37pm Tue 9 Jun 09

Blame the Telegraph!!

redr says...
1:03pm Tue 9 Jun 09

Did Deniston really describe labour as Socialist/borderline Communist? We'll have to send for the third short plank two obviously aren’t thick enough.

wheldrake says...
1:11pm Tue 9 Jun 09

I havent seen BNP members throwing eggs ,tomatoes and insults at there opposition.
I am and have always paid tax from the age of 16.Why should it be spent on immigrants that have know purpose than overcrowding this country.

oldgoat says...
1:15pm Tue 9 Jun 09

Soothsayer12.0 wrote:
addynuff wrote:
as soon as the results were declared the procession of beaten candidates bleating about their defeat and berating the BNP has gone on and on.the BNP candidates won fair and square and they are a legitimate totally legal political party so wake up to the fact that your own particular gravy train has come off the rails
Those who couldn't be bothered to get off their backside and vote yet bemoan the BNP's success are hypocrites.

Anyone who blames the Westminster sleaze for their stay-at-home "protest" ought to cease their rants at the fascists. If you don't use your vote (and 65% of Yorks & Humber folk didn't) then those that do will prosper, particularly under PR.

The next five years of shame is all down to sheer bloody idleness.
Well put.
Abstention, not bothering, or spoiling your voting paper are all the same thing - you loose your right to complain at the result since you didn't vote for anyone.

The York result had the BNP below the Green and LibDem numbers, yet the BNP gained a seat because of voes elsewhere. Just think what could have happened if another third of the electorate, who never believe their vote counts for anything, bothered to walk the few hundred yards to their polling station and marked their paper?

PR is a fantastic system, simply because it causes this kind of a result. I may detest the BNP for some of what they stand for - they have a few very sensible policies amongst the nonsense - but they have every right to stand and argue their case in the public forum.

wildthing says...
2:12pm Tue 9 Jun 09

Maybe it is time to make voting compulsory and deliberately spoiling a ballot paper an offence. to me the BNP and UKIP are similar but only the BNP seem to want to decide who is of UK origin by skin colour.

Maybe many of the voters who would have voted Labour didn't vote out of protest at the expenses fiddle along with conservatives as well but maybe some changed to a party they could think hadn't done any expenses fiddling and the BNP was the one they thought of and looked for on the ballot paper. There was plenty of options on the ballot paper other than the BNP and 3 main party's.

If the UKIP want out of Europe then why have they put up candidates for election in a European parliament?

SECURITY WORD hate-many

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...
3:14pm Tue 9 Jun 09

If voting was compulsory I still wouldn't do it.

They're all the same regardless of political party.

Ask other people who never vote and you will get the same story.

Jassy says...
4:12pm Tue 9 Jun 09

wildthing wrote:
Maybe it is time to make voting compulsory and deliberately spoiling a ballot paper an offence. to me the BNP and UKIP are similar but only the BNP seem to want to decide who is of UK origin by skin colour.

Maybe many of the voters who would have voted Labour didn't vote out of protest at the expenses fiddle along with conservatives as well but maybe some changed to a party they could think hadn't done any expenses fiddling and the BNP was the one they thought of and looked for on the ballot paper. There was plenty of options on the ballot paper other than the BNP and 3 main party's.

If the UKIP want out of Europe then why have they put up candidates for election in a European parliament?

SECURITY WORD hate-many
hahaha, that really sounds like a democracy. Maybe they could lock up those that refuse to vote or maybe fill the paper in in your behalf.

LibDem says...
4:14pm Tue 9 Jun 09

Perhaps we shouldn't beat ourselves up too much in York about the "success" of the Right. The BNP polled poorly here compared to some other places.
The % Euro votes cast for each party, in the York Council area, were:
Tory: 28.6%
LibDem: 17.4%
Labour: 15.6%
Green 13.7%
UKIP: 13.7%
Others:5.9%
BNP: 4.9%
Biggest losers by far were Labour whose vote fell by 8.2% compared to 2004.
Ian Gillies is wrong to blame PR for the election of the BNP. It is the particular form of PR used for these elections which is partly to blame for very small fringe parties gaining representation.
The LibDem PR alternative - of the single transferable vote in multi member constituencies - would have meant that a candidate would have needed the support of at least 16% of voters before having a chance of winning a seat....& the BNP didn't get near to that figure anywhere.

wheldrakenomad says...
4:36pm Tue 9 Jun 09

at last my vote actually counted towards something, yes i DID vote for the BNP, why?? because its about time someone stood up and defended the minorities in this country, the white british folk of this land!!
racism only seems to work one way, when really many white people in this country suffer racism of many forms but can't do anything about it, i know i have suffered myself!!
also why is it acceptable to have groups such as The black police officers association, miss black uk, miss asian uk, the mobo awards etc etc!
could you imagine the outcry if we dared to have a miss white uk or the mowo awards, but why, why is it ok for the so called ethnic minorities to have these things, why should we pander to their every need, why????
who looks after us??? nobody anymore thats who!!
i hope the bnp grow in strength, and i'm sure they will as more and more ordinary everyday folk get more and more fed up with the way this once great nation is heading!!!

wheldrake says...
4:48pm Tue 9 Jun 09

I was just reading the last comment thinking i havent written these comments but i certainly agree

Guy Fawkes says...
5:06pm Tue 9 Jun 09

Maybe it is time to make voting compulsory and deliberately spoiling a ballot paper an offence


So you're advocating a system in which citizens are forced to vote for someone they don't want? Like that election in Iraq just before the war in which Saddam polled 99.8%?

The only major developed country in which voting is compulsory, Australia, includes a 'none of the above' option. If it wins, the election in that constituency is re-run with all of the original candidates being ineligible to stand.

Sounds to me like a good way of clearing the corrupt trough snouters out of our system...

again says...
5:44pm Tue 9 Jun 09

The news today that the BNP leader was pelted with eggs saddened me. The man is a despicable character but those who did this are descending to the same level and giving the creature publicity that he does not deserve.

Those who voted BNP bring the name of Britain into shameful disrepute.

wheldrakenomad says...
6:01pm Tue 9 Jun 09

what is so wrong with a man who wants to stand up and defend his own people?!?!?!
after all is that what our prime minister and his pathetic followers are meant to do but seem to be to scared to do!!!?
and a note to my fellow villager, its good to know somebody else has a back bone and doesnt mind saying what they beleive!

keepitshut says...
6:20pm Tue 9 Jun 09

wheldrakenomad wrote:
at last my vote actually counted towards something, yes i DID vote for the BNP, why?? because its about time someone stood up and defended the minorities in this country, the white british folk of this land!! racism only seems to work one way, when really many white people in this country suffer racism of many forms but can't do anything about it, i know i have suffered myself!! also why is it acceptable to have groups such as The black police officers association, miss black uk, miss asian uk, the mobo awards etc etc! could you imagine the outcry if we dared to have a miss white uk or the mowo awards, but why, why is it ok for the so called ethnic minorities to have these things, why should we pander to their every need, why???? who looks after us??? nobody anymore thats who!! i hope the bnp grow in strength, and i'm sure they will as more and more ordinary everyday folk get more and more fed up with the way this once great nation is heading!!!
You certainly have a point!

gjh says...
6:38pm Tue 9 Jun 09

I abhor the BNP and what it stands for. However I do believe in democracy and like it or not, these people have been democratically elected unlike the Prime Minister. Hopefully the mainstream political parties will look at themselves now and address the reasons why some people feel that the BNP represents them best.

A taxpayer says...
6:49pm Tue 9 Jun 09

Mainstream parties are using the BNP situation to focus us away from their failings and why people would feel so strongly as to vote for such a part in the first place. If we had a fair society there would be no need or place for such political distortions. The 'sickened' brought this on themselves and can't blame the electorate for wanting change by extremes. One thing's for sure they're all going to try by any means possible to avoid any elections for as long as possible to deny any further poltical embarrassments.

TooRad says...
9:30pm Tue 9 Jun 09

Actually wheldrakenomad does NOT have a point. Wheldrakenomad is very good at repeating cr@ppy propaganda though.

White British folk are miles away from being the minority in this land. Check yer facts. Or repeat some sh1t you heard.

We DO have a miss white UK it's called Miss UK. We DO have mowos it's called the Brits or whatever. The reason minority groups make their own little clubs is because they feel (rightly or wrongly) ignored and excluded from those mainstream events.

Stupid people are more easily led. If you're happy repeating other people's bad logic you are not in control of your own life. You need to write your own story based on the reality of your life.

Top Banana says...
12:04am Wed 10 Jun 09

TooRad wrote:
Actually wheldrakenomad does NOT have a point. Wheldrakenomad is very good at repeating cr@ppy propaganda though.

White British folk are miles away from being the minority in this land. Check yer facts. Or repeat some sh1t you heard.

We DO have a miss white UK it's called Miss UK. We DO have mowos it's called the Brits or whatever. The reason minority groups make their own little clubs is because they feel (rightly or wrongly) ignored and excluded from those mainstream events.

Stupid people are more easily led. If you're happy repeating other people's bad logic you are not in control of your own life. You need to write your own story based on the reality of your life.
I think you will find 'miss UK' is open to any race, creed or colour, as is the 'brits' - unlike the mobo's and 'miss black uk' which aren't.

Ger says...
6:28am Wed 10 Jun 09

I have no problem with Andrew Brons representing York & Yorkshire in general. The man is articulate, intelligent and a patriot which is more than can be said for most of LibLabCon. Enough of the boring witch hysteria from the incompetant and out of touch mainstream parties. LibLab should be greatful that we didn't have a York election the other night because we'd be Tory ran by now if we did.

Ger says...
6:35am Wed 10 Jun 09

Can you imagine how humilitating it would be if Scott debates as if from a "York" perspective against Brons? The whole country would think we're weak, soft, multikultists - when that just isn't the case. Please don't Mr Scott.

Ger says...
6:41am Wed 10 Jun 09

who are ya wrote:
It will intersting to see how the Goverments new Immergration policy works out ( similar to Autralia I Believe). I think it can only work on Non -EU as EU civilians have the freedom to habitat in any EU state I believe. Imigration is a neccesity as we have an ageing population and smaller birth rate which seems to be forgeten by party's like BNP.
Actually our birth rate is much higher than most EU countries. In any case, the route of this problem across Europe is the legalisation of mass abortion - first introduced in the Soviet Union by Lenin to try and destroy the white man. It was introduced here by the LibDems during the 1950s - make illegal abortion as a form of contraception and boom, birth rate back to normal.

Descuidado Segunda says...
7:26am Wed 10 Jun 09

It is time for a proper debate, I can see the argument that is put up from the "wheldrake 2".
This is a country that allows free speech, many other religions are allowed to air their views.
As I say time for a true debate.

Guy Fawkes says...
7:41am Wed 10 Jun 09

The news today that the BNP leader was pelted with eggs saddened me. The man is a despicable character but those who did this are descending to the same level and giving the creature publicity that he does not deserve.


Isn't it interesting how the Countryside Alliance march and various other demonstrations outside the Palace of Westminster (e.g. Tamils, anti-Iraq War) have been ruthlessly suppressed, on some occasions with significant police brutality. Indeed, Labour actually passed a law with the specific purpose or removing a single protester from Parliament Square. Yet at this demo, which included an assault occasioning actual bodily harm on an elected politician, the police were nowhere in sight. Did the anti-BNP demonstrators have a permit? If so, how did they get it so quickly? And if not, why didn't the police move them on?

TooRad says...
8:16am Wed 10 Jun 09

Top Banana wrote
I think you will find 'miss UK' is open to any race, creed or colour, as is the 'brits' - unlike the mobo's and 'miss black uk' which aren't.

Oh DO keep up! Yes, these events are open to all races creeds and colours OVER the counter, but UNDER the counter there has been an element of exclusion. Why do you think they went on to set up the MOBOs etc? Because they are all white hating black panther radicals? Or because they want to take part and have a chance to win for a change? Unless I'm teaching at junior school, I really shouldn't have to explain that twice should I?

facepalm says...
9:18am Wed 10 Jun 09

There have been a number of non-black MOBO award winners and nominees over the years. Justin Timberlake for example.

Borin says...
11:44am Wed 10 Jun 09

wheldrakenomad wrote:
what is so wrong with a man who wants to stand up and defend his own people?!?!?!
after all is that what our prime minister and his pathetic followers are meant to do but seem to be to scared to do!!!?
and a note to my fellow villager, its good to know somebody else has a back bone and doesnt mind saying what they beleive!
The very idea that he needs to "stand up and defend his own people" show quite how bigoted that opinion is. He's supposed to represent (note not "defend") ALL of his constitutes, not just the ones that are, through some vague definition, "his". Given your earlier post I assume that means white. What next? Protecting Ze fatherland, rounding up those that are not "us" and sending them off to camps never to return.

SausageMan says...
12:02pm Wed 10 Jun 09

mztripps wrote:
LOL you complete hypocrite. I hope Australia offers you the warm welcome that you seem to be offering to migrants in the UK. Or does you criticism of the UK migrant policy only extend to brown people and not the literally thousands of Aussies who overstay their UK visitors visas every day? Aussies are the biggest illegal overstayers in Britain and the UK's biggest expense for finding and sending back home; you can check that with the Foreign office.
mztripps: no you are the hypocrite. People like you insist that the UK provide a home for the refuse of the third world, but you would deny the right of people like plangy to escape from the mess that you and your ilk are busy creating here in the UK.

SausageMan says...
12:05pm Wed 10 Jun 09

The mainstream politicians have no right to whine and criticise, they brought us to this situation by refusing to address legitimate fears about current immigration levels and membership of the EU.

bobby_spray says...
1:37pm Wed 10 Jun 09

I can’t help thinking that all this focus on a minority party is a smokescreen to hide the fact that the country is essentially bankrupt. I honestly can’t see the problem. If people vote for them let their voice be heard or is only extremists on the left that area allowed to speak? The British are a reasonable race, if the BNP are the racist bigots purported then the UK electorate will reject them. One thing that I certainly do not understand is the fact that on several blogs and forums the BNP supporters out number their detractors by a large margin. I can’t understand why that wouldn’t translate into a higher percentage of votes at the ballot box. Vote rigging maybe?

wheldrakenomad says...
2:43pm Wed 10 Jun 09

TooRad wrote:
Actually wheldrakenomad does NOT have a point. Wheldrakenomad is very good at repeating cr@ppy propaganda though.

White British folk are miles away from being the minority in this land. Check yer facts. Or repeat some sh1t you heard.

We DO have a miss white UK it's called Miss UK. We DO have mowos it's called the Brits or whatever. The reason minority groups make their own little clubs is because they feel (rightly or wrongly) ignored and excluded from those mainstream events.

Stupid people are more easily led. If you're happy repeating other people's bad logic you are not in control of your own life. You need to write your own story based on the reality of your life.
In reply to comments, i have experienced racism in my life after living in birmingham, it was here that i was stabbed in the leg for being "white" it was here where i was refused entry to one of the local pubs because i was "white" it was here that shop keepers refused to speak or even serve you because i was "white"!! so please dont tell me i'm just repeating what i've heard because i have my own views based on what i've seen!!!!! and as for calling me supid and saying i talk sh1t then maybe you should look at your little speech!!!!

SWEET AND TENDER HOOLIGAN says...
5:26pm Wed 10 Jun 09

The Labour government make me SICK. They have let this country become the dumping ground of the world.


TooRad says...
6:27pm Wed 10 Jun 09

wheldrakenomad - I'm sorry you had such a bad time in Birmingham, maybe you did something wrong? I know plenty of white people who've lived in black and Asian areas of Birmingham, London and Leeds with no problem. Me for instance. It's the same as any community, you have to get in with the locals. They can be sniffy in the whitest shops in York until you go in a few times and they get to know you. Maybe you were unwilling to try and be sociable? Maybe they detected your inherent racist nature and distrust of johnny foreigner and reciprocated?
And I stand by my statement - if you think white is a minority here you talk sh1t and you're stupid and easily led.



And sausage man, skipton: hahahaha! Epic failz!

SausageMan says...
6:55pm Wed 10 Jun 09

Oh no! ToeRag laughs at my name or something, gee I guess that blows all my arguments out of the water!

Let me get this straight ToeRag, according to you, if a black man experiences racism from a white man, it's the white man's fault, and if a white man experiences racism from a black man, it's still the white man's fault, right?

Because only white people can be racist right?

keepitshut says...
8:42pm Wed 10 Jun 09

TooRad wrote:
wheldrakenomad - I'm sorry you had such a bad time in Birmingham, maybe you did something wrong? I know plenty of white people who've lived in black and Asian areas of Birmingham, London and Leeds with no problem. Me for instance. It's the same as any community, you have to get in with the locals. They can be sniffy in the whitest shops in York until you go in a few times and they get to know you. Maybe you were unwilling to try and be sociable? Maybe they detected your inherent racist nature and distrust of johnny foreigner and reciprocated? And I stand by my statement - if you think white is a minority here you talk sh1t and you're stupid and easily led. And sausage man, skipton: hahahaha! Epic failz!
What a self righteous, opionated tw*t you are!

TooRad says...
10:07pm Wed 10 Jun 09

Wow, quite unnecessary from both of you I think.

Anyone can be racist, I didn't get stabbed, emigrants become immigrants in other countries, why is that offensive enough to insult me?

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