Talks held on a new site for wheel attraction

Talks held on a new site for wheel attraction

Talks held on a new site for wheel attraction

First published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , News editor

BIG wheel operators have held talks with York council chiefs, and say they are still committed to bringing a wheel back to the city.

World Tourist Attractions (WTA) director Elliott Hall met with City of York Council leader Andrew Waller and his predecessor Steve Galloway, to discuss plans for the attraction.

WTA had wanted to site a wheel in North Street gardens, next to the Park Inn Hotel, but the council executive thwarted that plan last month. The council owns the land and said it was unsuitable for a wheel. The previous one, at the National Railway Museum, was dismantled in November after two-and-a-half years.

Both parties said the talks had gone well and different possible sites had been discussed, but neither side would say yet what they were.

Coun Waller said: “There is more than one possibility but it is early days and it is a sensitive issue.

“The next step is for WTA to come forward with proposals.

“They have to look at viable locations and come back to us with their own views. There is not a date by which that must happen, but it is there to progress.”

WTA spokesman Jay Pender said: “We can confirm that we have opened dialogue with the council about alternative sites other than North Street gardens.”

Nigel Ward, the firm’s chief executive, said previously that North Street was the only option, but Mr Pender said that comment had been misconstrued, and had never been the company’s stance.

Tourism groups had called for the wheel to be allowed in North Street, but the idea was strongly opposed by the city’s conservation organisations.

When it was debated at Guildhall last month, it sparked a rare split within the council executive, with leisure and culture spokesman Christian Vassie breaking ranks with his party.

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9:42am Fri 20 Feb 09

Chris York Born&Bred says...

Why dont you follow the tourism Group to Leeds,Bye Bye then.????
Why dont you follow the tourism Group to Leeds,Bye Bye then.???? Chris York Born&Bred
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9:48am Fri 20 Feb 09

pedalling paul says...

Whoa there! Lets all remember that WTA is only dipping its toe in the water at present. Preliminary discussions with a Local Auhority are commonplace, in advance of a major or potentially controversial Planning Application.
If WTA subsequently decide to proceed with a formal application, it will go through the full procedure and be considered eventually by a cross-party Planning Committee.
Whoa there! Lets all remember that WTA is only dipping its toe in the water at present. Preliminary discussions with a Local Auhority are commonplace, in advance of a major or potentially controversial Planning Application. If WTA subsequently decide to proceed with a formal application, it will go through the full procedure and be considered eventually by a cross-party Planning Committee. pedalling paul
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9:57am Fri 20 Feb 09

oldgoat says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Whoa there! Lets all remember that WTA is only dipping its toe in the water at present. Preliminary discussions with a Local Auhority are commonplace, in advance of a major or potentially controversial Planning Application.
If WTA subsequently decide to proceed with a formal application, it will go through the full procedure and be considered eventually by a cross-party Planning Committee.
They can still take a hike. There really is nowhere in York suitable for anything like the wheel.
Hey, it was fun while it lasted, but I went on it a few times, and there really was nothing to see from it.
Compare it to the London Eye, which gives you an amazing view of a large metropolis.....
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Whoa there! Lets all remember that WTA is only dipping its toe in the water at present. Preliminary discussions with a Local Auhority are commonplace, in advance of a major or potentially controversial Planning Application. If WTA subsequently decide to proceed with a formal application, it will go through the full procedure and be considered eventually by a cross-party Planning Committee. [/p][/quote]They can still take a hike. There really is nowhere in York suitable for anything like the wheel. Hey, it was fun while it lasted, but I went on it a few times, and there really was nothing to see from it. Compare it to the London Eye, which gives you an amazing view of a large metropolis..... oldgoat
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10:11am Fri 20 Feb 09

Soothsayer0.1 says...

oldgoat wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Whoa there! Lets all remember that WTA is only dipping its toe in the water at present. Preliminary discussions with a Local Auhority are commonplace, in advance of a major or potentially controversial Planning Application. If WTA subsequently decide to proceed with a formal application, it will go through the full procedure and be considered eventually by a cross-party Planning Committee.
They can still take a hike. There really is nowhere in York suitable for anything like the wheel. Hey, it was fun while it lasted, but I went on it a few times, and there really was nothing to see from it. Compare it to the London Eye, which gives you an amazing view of a large metropolis.....
My god, I agree with oldgoat!

Is it Friday the 13th again already???
[quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Whoa there! Lets all remember that WTA is only dipping its toe in the water at present. Preliminary discussions with a Local Auhority are commonplace, in advance of a major or potentially controversial Planning Application. If WTA subsequently decide to proceed with a formal application, it will go through the full procedure and be considered eventually by a cross-party Planning Committee. [/p][/quote]They can still take a hike. There really is nowhere in York suitable for anything like the wheel. Hey, it was fun while it lasted, but I went on it a few times, and there really was nothing to see from it. Compare it to the London Eye, which gives you an amazing view of a large metropolis.....[/p][/quote]My god, I agree with oldgoat! Is it Friday the 13th again already??? Soothsayer0.1
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10:28am Fri 20 Feb 09

AngryandFrustrated says...

Soothsayer0.1 wrote:
oldgoat wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Whoa there! Lets all remember that WTA is only dipping its toe in the water at present. Preliminary discussions with a Local Auhority are commonplace, in advance of a major or potentially controversial Planning Application. If WTA subsequently decide to proceed with a formal application, it will go through the full procedure and be considered eventually by a cross-party Planning Committee.
They can still take a hike. There really is nowhere in York suitable for anything like the wheel. Hey, it was fun while it lasted, but I went on it a few times, and there really was nothing to see from it. Compare it to the London Eye, which gives you an amazing view of a large metropolis.....
My god, I agree with oldgoat! Is it Friday the 13th again already???
It must be, because I agree with both of you!

It just goes to show what absolute sh** these developers talk tho' - it wasn't that long ago that we were threatened by the owners that unless they had a site identified by some short notice date last year, York would lose the wheel for years because it was committed to be elsewhere. Funny how, when they don't get their own way, the developers go back into talks, despite the threats they make - the Terrys redevelopment being another example.

However, the thought of Wally Waller and Galloway handling the discussions fills me with dread!
[quote][p][bold]Soothsayer0.1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Whoa there! Lets all remember that WTA is only dipping its toe in the water at present. Preliminary discussions with a Local Auhority are commonplace, in advance of a major or potentially controversial Planning Application. If WTA subsequently decide to proceed with a formal application, it will go through the full procedure and be considered eventually by a cross-party Planning Committee. [/p][/quote]They can still take a hike. There really is nowhere in York suitable for anything like the wheel. Hey, it was fun while it lasted, but I went on it a few times, and there really was nothing to see from it. Compare it to the London Eye, which gives you an amazing view of a large metropolis.....[/p][/quote]My god, I agree with oldgoat! Is it Friday the 13th again already???[/p][/quote]It must be, because I agree with both of you! It just goes to show what absolute sh** these developers talk tho' - it wasn't that long ago that we were threatened by the owners that unless they had a site identified by some short notice date last year, York would lose the wheel for years because it was committed to be elsewhere. Funny how, when they don't get their own way, the developers go back into talks, despite the threats they make - the Terrys redevelopment being another example. However, the thought of Wally Waller and Galloway handling the discussions fills me with dread! AngryandFrustrated
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11:46am Fri 20 Feb 09

shartin says...

Can't remember now why it had to leave it's site at the NRM,to me that was the ideal place for it.
Can't it go back there?
Can't remember now why it had to leave it's site at the NRM,to me that was the ideal place for it. Can't it go back there? shartin
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12:08pm Fri 20 Feb 09

old_geezer says...

No wheel! Tethered balloon. Go twice as high with less engineering.

See example at http://www.bournemou
thballoon.com/
No wheel! Tethered balloon. Go twice as high with less engineering. See example at http://www.bournemou thballoon.com/ old_geezer
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12:23pm Fri 20 Feb 09

LibDem says...

shartin wrote:
Can't remember now why it had to leave it's site at the NRM,to me that was the ideal place for it. Can't it go back there?
WTA gave up that site because it wasn't attracting enough users particularly in the winter months. They are looking for a site with a higher "footfall"
[quote][p][bold]shartin[/bold] wrote: Can't remember now why it had to leave it's site at the NRM,to me that was the ideal place for it. Can't it go back there?[/p][/quote]WTA gave up that site because it wasn't attracting enough users particularly in the winter months. They are looking for a site with a higher "footfall" LibDem
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12:36pm Fri 20 Feb 09

Simonon says...

TELL EM TO GO AWAY!
TELL EM TO GO AWAY! Simonon
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3:04pm Fri 20 Feb 09

the andrew says...

When they eventually demolish the splash palace they can site the wheel there, then the resident smackheads can mug tourists instead of the locals.
When they eventually demolish the splash palace they can site the wheel there, then the resident smackheads can mug tourists instead of the locals. the andrew
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4:31pm Fri 20 Feb 09

AngryandFrustrated says...

LibDem wrote:
shartin wrote: Can't remember now why it had to leave it's site at the NRM,to me that was the ideal place for it. Can't it go back there?
WTA gave up that site because it wasn't attracting enough users particularly in the winter months. They are looking for a site with a higher "footfall"
Well that as may be, but if there isn't enough footfall at the railway museum, then please, with your inside knowledge, enlighten us as to where they believe there would be enough footfall? I am bemused (sorry Bemused!)as to why they would think there would be more on North Street?
[quote][p][bold]LibDem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shartin[/bold] wrote: Can't remember now why it had to leave it's site at the NRM,to me that was the ideal place for it. Can't it go back there?[/p][/quote]WTA gave up that site because it wasn't attracting enough users particularly in the winter months. They are looking for a site with a higher "footfall"[/p][/quote]Well that as may be, but if there isn't enough footfall at the railway museum, then please, with your inside knowledge, enlighten us as to where they believe there would be enough footfall? I am bemused (sorry Bemused!)as to why they would think there would be more on North Street? AngryandFrustrated
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5:17pm Fri 20 Feb 09

TheManWithTheFuManchuMoustache says...

AngryandFrustrated wrote:
LibDem wrote:
shartin wrote: Can't remember now why it had to leave it's site at the NRM,to me that was the ideal place for it. Can't it go back there?
WTA gave up that site because it wasn't attracting enough users particularly in the winter months. They are looking for a site with a higher "footfall"
Well that as may be, but if there isn't enough footfall at the railway museum, then please, with your inside knowledge, enlighten us as to where they believe there would be enough footfall? I am bemused (sorry Bemused!)as to why they would think there would be more on North Street?
Perhaps because there are at least 10 times as many people in the centre of town at some point during the day than there are at the Railway museum?

Hope you are now de-bemused!

[quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LibDem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shartin[/bold] wrote: Can't remember now why it had to leave it's site at the NRM,to me that was the ideal place for it. Can't it go back there?[/p][/quote]WTA gave up that site because it wasn't attracting enough users particularly in the winter months. They are looking for a site with a higher "footfall"[/p][/quote]Well that as may be, but if there isn't enough footfall at the railway museum, then please, with your inside knowledge, enlighten us as to where they believe there would be enough footfall? I am bemused (sorry Bemused!)as to why they would think there would be more on North Street? [/p][/quote]Perhaps because there are at least 10 times as many people in the centre of town at some point during the day than there are at the Railway museum? Hope you are now de-bemused! TheManWithTheFuManchuMoustache
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5:19pm Fri 20 Feb 09

LibDem says...

WTA have said that they favoured North Street because of the numbers of visitors crossing close by on, for example,Lendal bridge (who would see the Wheel easily and be attracted to it).
The Railway Museum and Leeman Road is quiet for most of the winter. This area will, of course, change dramatically when the "York Central" development gets going.
It does all, however, beg the basic question as to whether a Wheel situated anywhere in York would, "off season", be commercially viable but that would be for the operators to decide.
The tourist industry is keen on the Wheel because it increases the range of activities available for visitors who stay for 2 or 3 nights. It is those visitors who make the biggest contribution to the local economy.
WTA have said that they favoured North Street because of the numbers of visitors crossing close by on, for example,Lendal bridge (who would see the Wheel easily and be attracted to it). The Railway Museum and Leeman Road is quiet for most of the winter. This area will, of course, change dramatically when the "York Central" development gets going. It does all, however, beg the basic question as to whether a Wheel situated anywhere in York would, "off season", be commercially viable but that would be for the operators to decide. The tourist industry is keen on the Wheel because it increases the range of activities available for visitors who stay for 2 or 3 nights. It is those visitors who make the biggest contribution to the local economy. LibDem
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7:08pm Fri 20 Feb 09

tonezzzznoddedoff says...

oldgoat wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Whoa there! Lets all remember that WTA is only dipping its toe in the water at present. Preliminary discussions with a Local Auhority are commonplace, in advance of a major or potentially controversial Planning Application.
If WTA subsequently decide to proceed with a formal application, it will go through the full procedure and be considered eventually by a cross-party Planning Committee.
They can still take a hike. There really is nowhere in York suitable for anything like the wheel.
Hey, it was fun while it lasted, but I went on it a few times, and there really was nothing to see from it.
Compare it to the London Eye, which gives you an amazing view of a large metropolis.....
Not exactly sure what you expected to see from it this is YORK so you will be able to see YORK from it, not the hanging gardens of Babylon.
[quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Whoa there! Lets all remember that WTA is only dipping its toe in the water at present. Preliminary discussions with a Local Auhority are commonplace, in advance of a major or potentially controversial Planning Application. If WTA subsequently decide to proceed with a formal application, it will go through the full procedure and be considered eventually by a cross-party Planning Committee. [/p][/quote]They can still take a hike. There really is nowhere in York suitable for anything like the wheel. Hey, it was fun while it lasted, but I went on it a few times, and there really was nothing to see from it. Compare it to the London Eye, which gives you an amazing view of a large metropolis.....[/p][/quote]Not exactly sure what you expected to see from it this is YORK so you will be able to see YORK from it, not the hanging gardens of Babylon. tonezzzznoddedoff
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8:22pm Fri 20 Feb 09

A taxpayer says...

Put it on the flattened Barbican site that will delay doing something proper for a few years. How much are they bunging our friends at the council, for a few quid I'll have it in my yard.
Put it on the flattened Barbican site that will delay doing something proper for a few years. How much are they bunging our friends at the council, for a few quid I'll have it in my yard. A taxpayer
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8:51pm Fri 20 Feb 09

Seadog says...

From the top of the Minster's Central Tower (on a clear day with good eyesight and/or binoculars) you can already see the North York Moors; the Yorkshire Wolds; the Yorkshire Dales; Emley Moor TV tower; Menwith Hill's "golf balls"; the Humber Bridge; Boothfery Bridge; Goole Dock Cranes; Howden Minster; Selby Abbey; all the power stations between Doncaster and Wakefield and even - at least according to some - Lincoln Cathedral! As old_geezer rightly says; only a tethered balloon could possibly match that!
From the top of the Minster's Central Tower (on a clear day with good eyesight and/or binoculars) you can already see the North York Moors; the Yorkshire Wolds; the Yorkshire Dales; Emley Moor TV tower; Menwith Hill's "golf balls"; the Humber Bridge; Boothfery Bridge; Goole Dock Cranes; Howden Minster; Selby Abbey; all the power stations between Doncaster and Wakefield and even - at least according to some - Lincoln Cathedral! As old_geezer rightly says; only a tethered balloon could possibly match that! Seadog
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11:01pm Fri 20 Feb 09

pedalling paul says...

..I still say it should be pedal powered.
..I still say it should be pedal powered. pedalling paul
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10:26am Sat 21 Feb 09

Chris York Born&Bred says...

Good One old__geezer....
Good One old__geezer.... Chris York Born&Bred
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10:06am Sun 22 Feb 09

mystic_genius says...

tonezzzznoddedoff wrote:
oldgoat wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Whoa there! Lets all remember that WTA is only dipping its toe in the water at present. Preliminary discussions with a Local Auhority are commonplace, in advance of a major or potentially controversial Planning Application.
If WTA subsequently decide to proceed with a formal application, it will go through the full procedure and be considered eventually by a cross-party Planning Committee.
They can still take a hike. There really is nowhere in York suitable for anything like the wheel.
Hey, it was fun while it lasted, but I went on it a few times, and there really was nothing to see from it.
Compare it to the London Eye, which gives you an amazing view of a large metropolis.....
Not exactly sure what you expected to see from it this is YORK so you will be able to see YORK from it, not the hanging gardens of Babylon.

Further...

If it was so poor, why did you go on it "a few times"?! Surely one trip on it would be sufficient to see "nothing", and perhaps a second trip, to confirm that there is "nothing to see", but a few?! More money than sense...?! It's perhaps people like you who keep these monstrocities in the city - if you don't like it, don't give them money to support it!! It is ludicriously simple.
[quote][p][bold]tonezzzznoddedoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Whoa there! Lets all remember that WTA is only dipping its toe in the water at present. Preliminary discussions with a Local Auhority are commonplace, in advance of a major or potentially controversial Planning Application. If WTA subsequently decide to proceed with a formal application, it will go through the full procedure and be considered eventually by a cross-party Planning Committee. [/p][/quote]They can still take a hike. There really is nowhere in York suitable for anything like the wheel. Hey, it was fun while it lasted, but I went on it a few times, and there really was nothing to see from it. Compare it to the London Eye, which gives you an amazing view of a large metropolis.....[/p][/quote]Not exactly sure what you expected to see from it this is YORK so you will be able to see YORK from it, not the hanging gardens of Babylon.[/p][/quote] Further... If it was so poor, why did you go on it "a few times"?! Surely one trip on it would be sufficient to see "nothing", and perhaps a second trip, to confirm that there is "nothing to see", but a few?! More money than sense...?! It's perhaps people like you who keep these monstrocities in the city - if you don't like it, don't give them money to support it!! It is ludicriously simple. mystic_genius
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