42pc want wheel for North Street

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YORK residents have backed the idea of a new Yorkshire Wheel on the banks of the River Ouse.

In a city-wide survey, 42.7 per cent supported the idea, while only 9.7 per cent opposed it. The rest expressed no view.

The opinions were contained in the results of City of York Council’s annual budget consultation, which asked voters how they thought money should be spent and saved in 2009/10.

More than 7,700 households – about one in nine – took part, and many backed the idea of a new wheel in North Street, replacing the old one at the National Railway Museum.

The wheel would generate income for the council through leasing the land to the operator, World Tourist Attractions.

Elsewhere in the consultation, residents overwhelmingly called for a reduction in council red tape and pen-pushing.

Of those who responded, 72.2 per cent called for the council to cut spending on administration. Less than three per cent disagreed.

There was also support for cutting pensioners’ concessionary bus travel by 30 minutes a day, and increasing the cost of adult courses in leisure or personal development.

The response rate was up by a fifth on last year. The council’s chief executive, Bill McCarthy, said: “I’m really pleased that almost 8,000 residents have taken the time to give us their views on where the council should make savings and in which areas they would like to see it spend more.”

He said there would “undoubtedly be some difficult decisions” in setting the budget, but residents’ views would be taken on board.

The survey showed strong support for services for the elderly, with more than half of respondents opposing cuts in elderly care, and 35 per cent calling for increased payments to private residential care providers, to ensure they could meet demand.

There was also strong opposition to cuts in road and pavement maintenance work, with 46 per cent saying current levels should be maintained, while 40 per cent of respondents thought the council should make additional savings by delaying the use of concessionary travel for those aged 60 and over until 9.30am.

Nearly a third said spending on children in care should be increased to meet rising costs.

Council leader Andrew Waller welcomed the response rate and said: “I recognise that residents want us to maintain support for vulnerable people, the elderly and children while maintaining the high standards of road maintenance, street cleaning and kerb-side recycling, as have set through York Pride in recent years.”

World Tourist Attractions has said it will submit a planning application for a new wheel by the end of January. The budget will be set at Guildhall on February 26.

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10:28am Sat 10 Jan 09

scooterboy says...

great idea
great idea scooterboy
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11:09am Sat 10 Jan 09

Barstool Knowall says...

North Street? What an ideal location.
If the gondola's were fitted with bunk beds the wheel could provide sleeping accomodation for 20 or 30 of the dossers n wino's who plague the area.
North Street? What an ideal location. If the gondola's were fitted with bunk beds the wheel could provide sleeping accomodation for 20 or 30 of the dossers n wino's who plague the area. Barstool Knowall
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11:48am Sat 10 Jan 09

old_geezer says...

"Of those who responded, 72.2 per cent called for the council to cut spending on administration. Less than three per cent disagreed."

What a meaningless statistic! Who wouldn't want less spent on admin? And we all want more police, higher pensions, day care centres, etc etc.
"Of those who responded, 72.2 per cent called for the council to cut spending on administration. Less than three per cent disagreed." What a meaningless statistic! Who wouldn't want less spent on admin? And we all want more police, higher pensions, day care centres, etc etc. old_geezer
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11:53am Sat 10 Jan 09

chrisatyork says...

When exactly was this survey? I live in New Earswick and never got one.
When exactly was this survey? I live in New Earswick and never got one. chrisatyork
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12:50pm Sat 10 Jan 09

York1900 says...

chrisatyork wrote:
When exactly was this survey? I live in New Earswick and never got one.
It was delivered in New Earswick

It came in the post and went under the title Budget Special Cycling City Survey 2008

This is how they slipped it by you by giving it a title that would not regester what it was

[quote][p][bold]chrisatyork[/bold] wrote: When exactly was this survey? I live in New Earswick and never got one.[/p][/quote]It was delivered in New Earswick It came in the post and went under the title Budget Special Cycling City Survey 2008 This is how they slipped it by you by giving it a title that would not regester what it was York1900
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1:18pm Sat 10 Jan 09

sheddie says...

Never got one either.

Doesn't mean the North Street thing will go ahead, anyway.

BTW, to the York Press staff. If you hold down the shift key and press '5' you get '%' which is the proper punctuation for percent. NOT pc.
Never got one either. Doesn't mean the North Street thing will go ahead, anyway. BTW, to the York Press staff. If you hold down the shift key and press '5' you get '%' which is the proper punctuation for percent. NOT pc. sheddie
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1:48pm Sat 10 Jan 09

bob the builder says...

So the reality of the wheel on North St is that only around 5% of households thought it was a good site. On a survey I never received or knew of, so how did they publicise it?
So the reality of the wheel on North St is that only around 5% of households thought it was a good site. On a survey I never received or knew of, so how did they publicise it? bob the builder
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4:30pm Sat 10 Jan 09

ALD says...

Like one of the above people said the survey came through the post but at first sight seemed to be about cycling which would not be of any real interest to the majority of council tax payers. Only if you looked beyond the first page was the part about next year's budget obvious. Perhaps that was deliberate.
We all know that the administration has to be paid for like all other aspects of any organisation. However I am sure that there are saving to be made without loss of efficiency. The main areas of possible savings were not aired though on the questionaire. How much is spent by this and other councils throughout the country, on luxuries and general non statuary items of expenditure, which in these hard times, we could all well do without. Expenditure on the running of ward committees is one which readily come to mind. That alone could save tens of thousands of pounds. The payment of a fixed rate of "expences" to elected members should only be paid if the amounts are actually incurred on council business or there is a loss of earnings while on such business, and not as of right as a form of salary whether incurred or not.
It would be interesting to see a complete breakdown of all council expenditure and then an informed decision could be given as to what we as a community could do without being spent in our names and not just selective items of expenditure.
Like one of the above people said the survey came through the post but at first sight seemed to be about cycling which would not be of any real interest to the majority of council tax payers. Only if you looked beyond the first page was the part about next year's budget obvious. Perhaps that was deliberate. We all know that the administration has to be paid for like all other aspects of any organisation. However I am sure that there are saving to be made without loss of efficiency. The main areas of possible savings were not aired though on the questionaire. How much is spent by this and other councils throughout the country, on luxuries and general non statuary items of expenditure, which in these hard times, we could all well do without. Expenditure on the running of ward committees is one which readily come to mind. That alone could save tens of thousands of pounds. The payment of a fixed rate of "expences" to elected members should only be paid if the amounts are actually incurred on council business or there is a loss of earnings while on such business, and not as of right as a form of salary whether incurred or not. It would be interesting to see a complete breakdown of all council expenditure and then an informed decision could be given as to what we as a community could do without being spent in our names and not just selective items of expenditure. ALD
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4:42pm Sat 10 Jan 09

Old Spice says...

Amazing is'nt it every year they aleedgedly have this survey and every year they don't send them to what would seem to be certain areas usually those with labour councillors. I only got one last year because I e-mailed the council to ask where mine was. Forgot this year so it was slipped past us in Acomb yet again.
Amazing is'nt it every year they aleedgedly have this survey and every year they don't send them to what would seem to be certain areas usually those with labour councillors. I only got one last year because I e-mailed the council to ask where mine was. Forgot this year so it was slipped past us in Acomb yet again. Old Spice
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5:52pm Sat 10 Jan 09

LibDem says...

The survey results don't mean that people are necessarily generally in favour of having the Wheel in North Street. Faced with the choice of cutting services for the elderly or gaining income from letting the North Street site, most opt for the Wheel.
Not entirely surprising.
and everyone had a survey delivered. There was also the well publicised option to complete the form on line
The survey results don't mean that people are necessarily generally in favour of having the Wheel in North Street. Faced with the choice of cutting services for the elderly or gaining income from letting the North Street site, most opt for the Wheel. Not entirely surprising. and everyone had a survey delivered. There was also the well publicised option to complete the form on line LibDem
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7:22pm Sat 10 Jan 09

chrisatyork says...

Thanks 1900 Diddnt get the cycling one either or i would have opend it to voice my opinion as a cyclist.
As for the wheel if the council have decided where its going its a forgone conclusion.
Thanks 1900 Diddnt get the cycling one either or i would have opend it to voice my opinion as a cyclist. As for the wheel if the council have decided where its going its a forgone conclusion. chrisatyork
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1:43am Sun 11 Jan 09

Idontbelieveittoo says...

Is there any chance that the Council will publish a full analysis of the survey results so that we can see what "The People" wanted, compared with what "The Council" actually do?

I thought not!
Is there any chance that the Council will publish a full analysis of the survey results so that we can see what "The People" wanted, compared with what "The Council" actually do? I thought not! Idontbelieveittoo
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7:03am Sun 11 Jan 09

LizM says...

If you walk towards City Screen from St Martin's church, you get a lovely view of All Saints Church. That would be hidden by the ridiculous wheel!

I didn't get a survey either. I got three copies of a survey from a company based in Bristol re the cultural mix etc in York, but this didn't include anything around planning applications, which I would've thought would've been the correct forum for such a consultation.

Of course it's a foregone conclusion.

We don't need a monstrocity like the wheel in York city centre - especially on a strip of land which was given to the city to open up the river frontage. I suppose we should be counting our blessings that it's not a supermarket.

How about the Hungate site for the wheel. That way, when the council finally get their way to erect their HQ and a big screen, they'll be able to admire an attraction which brings so much to a city obviously bereft of culture, heritage - and less sarcastically, taste!
If you walk towards City Screen from St Martin's church, you get a lovely view of All Saints Church. That would be hidden by the ridiculous wheel! I didn't get a survey either. I got three copies of a survey from a company based in Bristol re the cultural mix etc in York, but this didn't include anything around planning applications, which I would've thought would've been the correct forum for such a consultation. Of course it's a foregone conclusion. We don't need a monstrocity like the wheel in York city centre - especially on a strip of land which was given to the city to open up the river frontage. I suppose we should be counting our blessings that it's not a supermarket. How about the Hungate site for the wheel. That way, when the council finally get their way to erect their HQ and a big screen, they'll be able to admire an attraction which brings so much to a city obviously bereft of culture, heritage - and less sarcastically, taste! LizM
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9:58am Sun 11 Jan 09

Old Spice says...

and everyone had a survey delivered. No Lib Dim they didn't otherwise I would've filled it in and I don't have time to dally around on-line and fill things in, and anyway not everybody is on-line and they do not mind read!
and everyone had a survey delivered. No Lib Dim they didn't otherwise I would've filled it in and I don't have time to dally around on-line and fill things in, and anyway not everybody is on-line and they do not mind read! Old Spice
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10:15am Sun 11 Jan 09

LibDem says...

Old Spice wrote:
and everyone had a survey delivered. No Lib Dim they didn't otherwise I would've filled it in and I don't have time to dally around on-line and fill things in, and anyway not everybody is on-line and they do not mind read!
The Council can produce results sorted by post code. Therefore it is easy to tell whether a particular area was missed from the delivery round.
Just send an Email to the Council - comments@york.gov.uk - including your address and their marketing people will be able to check when delivery occurred and how many returns there were from neighbouring properties
[quote][p][bold]Old Spice[/bold] wrote: and everyone had a survey delivered. No Lib Dim they didn't otherwise I would've filled it in and I don't have time to dally around on-line and fill things in, and anyway not everybody is on-line and they do not mind read![/p][/quote]The Council can produce results sorted by post code. Therefore it is easy to tell whether a particular area was missed from the delivery round. Just send an Email to the Council - comments@york.gov.uk - including your address and their marketing people will be able to check when delivery occurred and how many returns there were from neighbouring properties LibDem
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11:08am Sun 11 Jan 09

BigJon says...

So, was the cycling survey the same one as this?

If so I didn't look at it as I'd already filled in the cycling survey on the council website and I assumed it was the same thing.....but if it contained questions about the wheel then it obviously wasn't - and if it isn't the same survey then I never recieved the one about the wheel.

If anyone is interested, the gull results of the survey can be found here....

http://www.york.gov.
uk/council/consultat
ions/results/321460/


btw Press, it is a bit misleading to say that "In a city-wide survey, 42.7 per cent supported the idea, while only 9.7 per cent opposed it. The rest expressed no view"

The actual question was to mark your top 3 options from a choice of 13 therefor the people that did not mark it may have well have a view for/against it but may just have had 3 other options that they felt more strongly about.
So, was the cycling survey the same one as this? If so I didn't look at it as I'd already filled in the cycling survey on the council website and I assumed it was the same thing.....but if it contained questions about the wheel then it obviously wasn't - and if it isn't the same survey then I never recieved the one about the wheel. If anyone is interested, the gull results of the survey can be found here.... http://www.york.gov. uk/council/consultat ions/results/321460/ btw Press, it is a bit misleading to say that "In a city-wide survey, 42.7 per cent supported the idea, while only 9.7 per cent opposed it. The rest expressed no view" The actual question was to mark your top 3 options from a choice of 13 therefor the people that did not mark it may have well have a view for/against it but may just have had 3 other options that they felt more strongly about. BigJon
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11:13am Sun 11 Jan 09

BigJon says...

An additional thought....

It's great that over 70% wanted the council to save money by cutting administration costs, but how much fuss is The Press going to kick up when they announce the job losses needed to achieve this reduction?
An additional thought.... It's great that over 70% wanted the council to save money by cutting administration costs, but how much fuss is The Press going to kick up when they announce the job losses needed to achieve this reduction? BigJon
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1:56pm Sun 11 Jan 09

Soothsayer says...

LibDem wrote:
The survey results don't mean that people are necessarily generally in favour of having the Wheel in North Street. Faced with the choice of cutting services for the elderly or gaining income from letting the North Street site, most opt for the Wheel. Not entirely surprising. and everyone had a survey delivered. There was also the well publicised option to complete the form on line
Typical Lib Dum buck-passing / arrogance / incompetence.

Why on earth should cuts in services for the elderly even be considered, much less consulted upon? Mentioning them in the same sentence as the wheel is frankly puke-making.

Such services should not only be ring-fenced but drastically boosted. If those responsible for the litany of high cost fiascos in York (Barbican, Hungate, Peasholme, Derwenthorpe, etc) had the tiniest shred of decency they would resign NOW. Fat chance.

Always spineless, always someone else's fault. York's Liberal Dumocrats - truly sickening.
[quote][p][bold]LibDem[/bold] wrote: The survey results don't mean that people are necessarily generally in favour of having the Wheel in North Street. Faced with the choice of cutting services for the elderly or gaining income from letting the North Street site, most opt for the Wheel. Not entirely surprising. and everyone had a survey delivered. There was also the well publicised option to complete the form on line [/p][/quote]Typical Lib Dum buck-passing / arrogance / incompetence. Why on earth should cuts in services for the elderly even be considered, much less consulted upon? Mentioning them in the same sentence as the wheel is frankly puke-making. Such services should not only be ring-fenced but drastically boosted. If those responsible for the litany of high cost fiascos in York (Barbican, Hungate, Peasholme, Derwenthorpe, etc) had the tiniest shred of decency they would resign NOW. Fat chance. Always spineless, always someone else's fault. York's Liberal Dumocrats - truly sickening. Soothsayer
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5:41pm Sun 11 Jan 09

LizM says...

It makes me wonder why the Press keep rehashing spin on the wheel - BigJon's post makes more sense. I found it hard to believe that 42% of people polled would welcome a wheel, I've not spoken to one person who sees it as a positive.

Maybe it's time for more objective reporting on planning issues in York...
It makes me wonder why the Press keep rehashing spin on the wheel - BigJon's post makes more sense. I found it hard to believe that 42% of people polled would welcome a wheel, I've not spoken to one person who sees it as a positive. Maybe it's time for more objective reporting on planning issues in York... LizM
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6:10pm Sun 11 Jan 09

Simonon says...

What York resident would be happy to see The Wheel in North Street, and for what reasons?
Seriously, I'd like to know.
What York resident would be happy to see The Wheel in North Street, and for what reasons? Seriously, I'd like to know. Simonon
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10:38am Mon 12 Jan 09

BigJon says...

Simonon wrote:
What York resident would be happy to see The Wheel in North Street, and for what reasons? Seriously, I'd like to know.
The only reason I can see that the council obviously want the wheel in North Street is that they'll rent out the area to the owners and get the income from it - which is also probably why it was specifically included un this survey

No doubt they've offered the wheel company a good deal, probably a lot less than the NRM were charging, which is why the company is also so eager so move the wheel to there.
[quote][p][bold]Simonon[/bold] wrote: What York resident would be happy to see The Wheel in North Street, and for what reasons? Seriously, I'd like to know. [/p][/quote]The only reason I can see that the council obviously want the wheel in North Street is that they'll rent out the area to the owners and get the income from it - which is also probably why it was specifically included un this survey No doubt they've offered the wheel company a good deal, probably a lot less than the NRM were charging, which is why the company is also so eager so move the wheel to there. BigJon
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