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Massive revamp for York station


THEY are a common sight on the London Underground, but now York’s historic railway station is to get automatic ticket barriers as part of a £2.3 million revamp.

The gates, like the ones on the Tube, are aimed at tackling fare-dodgers and improving passenger security and safety, station operators National Express East Coast said today.

The massive refurbishment will also include a new first-class lounge, extra cycle parking, and new electronic information boards.

Barriers will stop fare dodgers and boost security, say bosses

AUTOMATIC ticket barriers are to be launched at York Railway Station as part of a £2.3 million revamp.

The gates – similar to ones used on the London Underground – are aimed at tackling fare dodgers and improving passenger security and safety, station operators National Express East Coast (NEEC) said today.

It said that people without tickets who might want to help a passenger on or off a train would be able to approach staff, who would decide on a case-by-case basis whether to allow them on to the platforms.

The massive refurbishment will also include: • A new First Class lounge • Extra cycle parking facilities • New electronic information boards • Additional CCTV cameras • A review of lighting levels in customer areas.

A spokesman for NEEC said the barriers would be introduced next year at York and five other stations which it manages along the East Coast Main Line – Darlington, Durham, Grantham, Newark Northgate and Newcastle.

Their introduction followed “successful” recent trials elsewhere with staffed barriers.

“The schemes will involve automatic ticket barriers, similar to those used on the London Underground and at other rail stations,” he said.

He revealed that barriers and ticket machines would be introduced at the Leeman Road entrance to the station as well as the main concourse entrance.

He claimed such gating schemes were welcomed and supported by the industry watchdog Passenger Focus, the Government and the majority of honest fare-paying passengers.

“NEEC believes gating, which is a franchise commitment, will help it to build a better railway,” he said.

“Gating will prevent fraudulent travel and protect revenue, which can be invested back into the business, including station maintenance, upkeep and improvement, and enhanced facilities.

“The scheme will improve security and contribute to a safer and more pleasant environment and travelling experience for customers.”

He said staff would be on hand to assist passengers if required, so barriers would go hand-in-hand with maintaining high customer service standards.

“The gates will facilitate mobile and e-ticketing arrangements and also smartcard technology,” he added.

A planning application has not yet been submitted for the gates, but NEEC has applied for permission to install new electronic information boards, a new ticket vending machine near the Leeman Road entrance to the station and an additional CCTV camera on an existing pole.

Almost a year ago, National Express’s predecessor, GNER, submitted an exploratory planning application for a multi-million pound station revamp.

The plans included an arcade of ten new shops, an additional entrance at the station’s south end, the relocation of the travel centre and passenger lounge and the reinstatement of a tea room in Tea Room Square.

The spokesman said today there were no immediate plans for the new shops, but such developments were not ruled out in the future.

Watchdog backs station barriers

THE railway watchdog Passenger Focus said today it backed the introduction of automatic ticket barriers.

Spokesman Ashwin Kumar said its research showed that ticket gates were an effective way for train operators to ensure passengers were travelling with a ticket. He said: “Barriers are a good deterrent for keeping trouble makers away from station platforms and helping passengers feel safer throughout their journey.

“However, it is important to ensure staff are on hand to help passengers through the station that need assistance, such as people with disabilities or parents with pushchairs.”

National Express East Coast was unable to say how much revenue it lost to fare dodgers every year.

The Association of Train Operating Companies said it was impossible to calculate the total loss across Britain, but the figure was thought to run into hundreds of millions of pounds.


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roberts, york says...
11:36am Thu 27 Nov 08

"THEY are a common sight on the London Underground,"

Or just Leeds

champagnegal, York says...
11:37am Thu 27 Nov 08

well - I hope they are as successful as they are at Leeds - not :)

The ones at Leeds are still faulty a month after they started operating !!!

roberts, york says...
11:37am Thu 27 Nov 08

It also means that all the toilets will be on the side of the barrier where people waiting to meet someone from the train will be denied access?

ouseswimmer, York says...
11:59am Thu 27 Nov 08

A retrograde step then. This will simply cause logjams at great cost. Are ticket collectors not doing their jobs?

moleculeman, Acomb says...
12:06pm Thu 27 Nov 08

And there goes a handy shortcut between Leeman road and the Micklegate area.

Soothsayer426897-A, York says...
12:15pm Thu 27 Nov 08

Silly me - there was me thinking the £2.3m might be spent on making life easier for passengers rather than more difficult.

Do stations and operators actually want us to use trains instead of cars or what???

Guy Fawkes, York says...
12:18pm Thu 27 Nov 08

It said that people without tickets who might want to help a passenger on or off a train would be able to approach staff, who would decide on a case-by-case basis whether to allow them on to the platforms.


When I was growing up in South London there were things called platform tickets, costing 10p if I remember correctly. They also enabled the station staff to prevent the groups of kids, White Lightning drinkers and other undesirables from getting onto the platforms, as the ticket man simply didn't let them past the barrier. But as the access control is now being done by a machine, that option isn't available.

chrisatyork, york says...
12:41pm Thu 27 Nov 08

I thought the shortcut between the Micklegate area and Leeman road was a public right of way. If not then i say to the station operators leave this shortcut open to visitors arriving in York by coach etc (not everyone can afford rail travel nowerdays)and to all the folk who use this cut to get to and from work.

johnrich37, York says...
12:49pm Thu 27 Nov 08

Another example of the " authorities" knowing better than the public.Make it more difficult when the elderly or disabled need help or when they would like to to be welcomed or waved off by family and friends.
Those who think they know better are dehumanizing the world we live in and we are letting them do it!

sheddie, York says...
12:53pm Thu 27 Nov 08

What a shame, yet another erosion of the public space. What was once a friendly place where you could go to await a loved one's arrival on the platform, or wave goodbye as the train pulled off, is now to be sacrificed to a jobsworth mentality which herds people like sheep with these mechanised barriers. A very sad day for a wonderful Victorian station.

How are these meant to 'improve passenger security and safety' by the way? I can think of many ways they will DECREASE safety (the crowds trying to get through sounds ideal for pickpockets, hindered evacuation routes, getting bags caught on gates etc) and no way at all they will improve it. It would go down better if the people perpetrating this vandalism didn't add insult to injury by blatantly lying about why it's being introduced. Which is fare 'protection' and that is all. Are they seriously saying a terrorist (or whatever) is incapable of buying a ticket? Laughable and pathetic.

Elizabeth of York, York says...
1:07pm Thu 27 Nov 08

chrisatyork wrote:
I thought the shortcut between the Micklegate area and Leeman road was a public right of way. If not then i say to the station operators leave this shortcut open to visitors arriving in York by coach etc (not everyone can afford rail travel nowerdays)and to all the folk who use this cut to get to and from work.
There's a perfectly good pavement between Micklegate and Leeman Road to use. The station should be for rail travellers. Coaches drop off in the Leeman Rd gardens - why would they be going into the station?
It's about time the Train Operators stopped fare dodgers and open stations do not stop them.

TooRad, York says...
1:13pm Thu 27 Nov 08

The poster outside the newsagent said "Hi-tech upgrade". The headline says "Massive revamp"

What they meant was security restrictions are to be put in place. Why does no-one tell it like it is anymore?

po, york says...
1:45pm Thu 27 Nov 08

I used to live in London and witnessed many occasions on which ticket barriers hindered safety, such as casuing pile-ups, malfunctioning, etc. And pick-pockets/fare-do
ggers only need to buy the cheapest ticket to get through to the platforms. They are also a pain when you have lots of luggage, even if you go through the bigger gates.
When I moved to York I thought it was great how you could move freely around the station, and hated the way that the station gets locked down on race days. It will be like that all the time after they put in ticket barriers.

sukh, acomb says...
1:59pm Thu 27 Nov 08

Barriers are definitely not for the benefit of passengers and will not improve security.

agabbiecabby, jorvik says...
2:35pm Thu 27 Nov 08

They should also sought out the mess they have made outside its unbelievable, the only place in york which is choked with traffic on a sunday afternoon.

York Fox, York says...
2:40pm Thu 27 Nov 08

I wish there was a way I could stop using the station. How to de-romanticize rail travel that little bit more.

If I wanted to live with ticket barriers I would have lived in the south.

Idiots.

johns49, York says...
2:51pm Thu 27 Nov 08

I love just standing on the station or drinking a coffee in the bridge cafe watching the trains pass through. . Will this brief pleasure be denied?

petethefeet, York says...
3:35pm Thu 27 Nov 08

Typical this. I don't know how some Network Rail managers manage to live in such small minds. Back in the mid 1990's, I had the joy of visiting Hamburg and was lodging close-by the main railway station. Hamburg station is a "happening place". Either side of the lines were 3 tiers of shops, bars and restaurants. It was common practise for groups of workers to enjoy drinks or food t after work and people could slip away just in time for their train. Contrast this with York Station. Yes, architecturally, it is wonderful. But virtually nothing happens there. When we go down this route then we will forever consign these places to eternal misery.

ThisIsOli, York CC says...
4:03pm Thu 27 Nov 08

Cutting off the miklegate/leeman road shortcut - genius.

Remove business to the train station shops,the railaway museum and push all the tourists through that dodgy leeman road bridge.

It's bad enough on race days, teh lock down is universally hated by all residents who pass through the station, of course the railway companies don't have much of a reputation to tarnish anymore.

runnermatt, York says...
4:42pm Thu 27 Nov 08

sukh wrote:
Barriers are definitely not for the benefit of passengers and will not improve security.
The Police think they improve security, ask Jean Charles de Menezes family

tonezzzznoddedoff, york says...
4:59pm Thu 27 Nov 08

petethefeet wrote:
Typical this. I don't know how some Network Rail managers manage to live in such small minds. Back in the mid 1990's, I had the joy of visiting Hamburg and was lodging close-by the main railway station. Hamburg station is a "happening place". Either side of the lines were 3 tiers of shops, bars and restaurants. It was common practise for groups of workers to enjoy drinks or food t after work and people could slip away just in time for their train. Contrast this with York Station. Yes, architecturally, it is wonderful. But virtually nothing happens there. When we go down this route then we will forever consign these places to eternal misery.
Couldn't agree more with this, although never been to Hamburg a lesson should be learnt off that way of thinking. Why do we always have to be so unimaginative in everything we do, it just keeps us in 'Dicks' days.

tonezzzznoddedoff, york says...
4:59pm Thu 27 Nov 08

petethefeet wrote:
Typical this. I don't know how some Network Rail managers manage to live in such small minds. Back in the mid 1990's, I had the joy of visiting Hamburg and was lodging close-by the main railway station. Hamburg station is a "happening place". Either side of the lines were 3 tiers of shops, bars and restaurants. It was common practise for groups of workers to enjoy drinks or food t after work and people could slip away just in time for their train. Contrast this with York Station. Yes, architecturally, it is wonderful. But virtually nothing happens there. When we go down this route then we will forever consign these places to eternal misery.
Couldn't agree more with this, although never been to Hamburg a lesson should be learnt off that way of thinking. Why do we always have to be so unimaginative in everything we do, it just keeps us in 'Dicks' days.

RosieP, Bish says...
5:50pm Thu 27 Nov 08

I sincerely hope that the station doesn't get planning permission! This is the most beautiful station in Britain and deserves to be kept that way. Kings Cross had barriers in the 70's - then they were removed and it was much easier to meet someone at the station or put them on a train. Surely putting in barriers must be a backward step. Is this a sign that the rail companies would like to remove guards from the trains as they wont have to do any ticket checking will they!

Guy Fawkes, York says...
5:51pm Thu 27 Nov 08

Contrast this with York Station. Yes, architecturally, it is wonderful. But virtually nothing happens there.


Probably because it's a significant distance away from the shops, restaurants and tourist attractions. Unless you're a train spotter or walking through the station as a shortcut from Leeman Road to Station Approach (in which case you probably wouldn't want to stop in the actual station anyway), the only reason you'd have to go there is to catch a train or to meet someone from one.

I'm not sure about the preventing fare dodgers argument, though. Every time I've taken a train to or from York (which admittedly is very rarely), my ticket has been inspected on the train. Is the idea that they're going to stop doing this and install electronic barriers at all stations instead, as is the case on the London tube?

bexxy, York says...
6:12pm Thu 27 Nov 08

I have travelled to many station's across the country and i have to say, its a pleasure to get back to a "ticket barrier free" York Station. Well, perhaps not anymore it seems. The barriers are a nightmare and unsightly. Not only do they often not work and delay boarding trains, it means that family and friends of passengers will have to buy a ticket to go and wave passengers off....ridiculous

bexxy, York says...
6:16pm Thu 27 Nov 08

....It's almost impossible to dodge train fare's these days, anyhow.
Leave our lovely station alone please, dont spoil it.

bexxy, York says...
6:19pm Thu 27 Nov 08

Is anybody up for staging a protest?? I am!

slornie, Haxby says...
6:19pm Thu 27 Nov 08

Please, no. Ticket barriers are awful! Besides, there isnt really any room for them to be installed!

If they're installed, i wont be able to have friends/family see me off from the platform any more?

I wont be able to use the footbridge extension across to the NRM? (which i seem to recall, was installed to allow easy access from the Station entrance side)

cynic, York says...
8:29pm Thu 27 Nov 08

How about using the money to subsidise commuter trains between York - Leeds - Sheffield? Now THAT would improve safety for passengers.

I commute to Sheffield a couple of time a week, and coming back via Leeds the chances of getting a seat until after Leeds are virtually nil. Often, there are people standing down all the carriage corridors and in all the vestibules - potentially very dangerous if the train has to stop suddenly.

Let's not be hypocritical about this - these barriers are for revenue protection. It's nothing to do with safety.

bob the builder, York says...
11:42pm Thu 27 Nov 08

£2.3m just so the police can shoot anyone jumping them as they 'may' be a terrorist? Or is the ghost of Beeching trying to dissuade people from using public transport so the government can stop pumping money into Network Rail?

Blind Jack, York says...
4:57am Fri 28 Nov 08

The new barriers at Leeds station are horrendous for pushchairs and small children. One would have thought the conductors checking tickets on board the train would be a sufficient deterent to most fare dodgers. I mean they can't exactly make a run for it can they!

mystic_genius, Copmanthorpe says...
8:14am Fri 28 Nov 08

RosieP wrote:
I sincerely hope that the station doesn't get planning permission! This is the most beautiful station in Britain and deserves to be kept that way. Kings Cross had barriers in the 70's - then they were removed and it was much easier to meet someone at the station or put them on a train. Surely putting in barriers must be a backward step. Is this a sign that the rail companies would like to remove guards from the trains as they wont have to do any ticket checking will they!
Aye, and if ticket checking is done by machine rather than human, i wonder if we could stop paying ever-increasing train fares...

Oh, sorry, back in the real world now. That won't happen. I wonder how they will raise the suppose £2.3m...oh yeah, fare hikes!!

old_geezer, york says...
8:28am Fri 28 Nov 08

As well as all the issues mentioned above, when I come in from Leeman Road with my non-standard ticket requirement, I'll have to go right round to get to the travel centre.

However, as I keep posting about various issues, we have to remember THESE ARE NOT PUBLIC SERVICES, they're profit-making companies. There is no concept of public good any more, thanks to Maggie and Blair.

Gandhi, says...
9:04am Fri 28 Nov 08

johnrich37 wrote:
Another example of the " authorities" knowing better than the public.Make it more difficult when the elderly or disabled need help or when they would like to to be welcomed or waved off by family and friends. Those who think they know better are dehumanizing the world we live in and we are letting them do it!
If you read the article, the barriers will be staffed and "It said that people without tickets who might want to help a passenger on or off a train would be able to approach staff, who would decide on a case-by-case basis whether to allow them on to the platforms."
So I hardly think they are going to make an elderly/disbaled passenger find and get on the train themselves! Instead of just disagreeing with all the ideas, why dont we start looking at positives and start supporting them. If people are having to pay to get through, then the little scrouts who normally dodge ticket fares wont be able to. Therefore, the extra money generated from everyone actually paying MAY be available to improve the standards of travel! Come on people, dont just come on here for a moan!


HappyDaze, Malton says...
11:16am Fri 28 Nov 08

I'm sorry - they are worried about fare dodgers!!! Are they kidding Network Rail are robbing us blind everyday - do you know it was cheaper for my husband and I to drive to London and back and pay to stay in a hotel overnight than it was for us to get a same day return!!! £260 for one day! We went to Tenerife for a week last year for that!! Hate the trains never use them anymore, its such a shame that they are further alienating people from using 'public'(not!) transport.

Heslingtonian, York says...
11:38am Fri 28 Nov 08

I really hope this never gets planning permission. York Station is one of the most accessible in the country. Ticket barriers may work on the underground because the stations were designed for that number of people to crowd into a small space. Hence 50 or so barriers at oxford circus.

Where exactly would the barriers go anyway? The travel centre has a door leading to platform 3 which would have to be removed, the door near the cycle park would have to be removed as would the pick-up point car park behind plat 4. The Leeman road cut-through is probably a public right of way, but this entrance would have to be barriered as well.

All stations with barriers are much more irritating to travel from. People can't help you to the platform with bags, families cannot say goodbye when the train rolls in, where barriers have been retrospectively fitted such as Stevenage you can't use the toilet without a ticket and this would be the same at York.

Fare dodging isn't a problem on services from York because most operators have guards. One suspects they're trying to do them out of a job.

This beautiful building should be a public space. It's part of the history of York and shouldn't be trashed by a company that'll only be around for 10 years before they contract it out to someone else.



sheddie, York says...
1:16pm Fri 28 Nov 08

I hope the Press will report when the planning application is in, so we can all write in to the planning department to tell them exactly what we think of the idea...

angela2361, york says...
1:48pm Fri 28 Nov 08

It is a listed building they will not be allowed the have barriers. send letters of objection to the council planning dept. They have these at Stirling station the station is very quite no one to meet you or see you of.I like meeting my family of the train and see them of.

ozzoboy, York says...
2:01pm Fri 28 Nov 08

It's true that at one time the rail authorities deemed that York and other stations could be open - with no barriers.

Has anything really changed ?

Do we really need to reverse the decision ?

If we had a genuinely cheap and people-friendly railway, fare-dodging would be very limited.

Queen Jane, York says...
2:02pm Fri 28 Nov 08

I can't believe they're bringing in barriers - how is that going to work for the footbridge near the railway museum? I would have thought the money would be much better invested in safe left-luggage, more shops (Boots was rumoured a while back) and better lighting. I know we are supposed to embrace technology etc, but some things really do work better left as they are, and York station is a welcome change from the barriers that eat your bags and pushchairs, stop you being helped onto the train by friends/family, and invaribaly stop working right as you need to get through on time. It's just so pointless!

York Fox, York says...
3:09pm Fri 28 Nov 08

Why do people blame Netork Rail though? They neither own it or maintain it. Neither are they responsible for train fares or how much you pay! All of this is down to National Express. Your fight is with them.

Heslingtonian, York says...
3:42pm Fri 28 Nov 08

Network rail only manage major termini across the country, York's owned by National Express along with the other calling points north of Stevenage.

Being based in York you'd think they understand the historical significance of the building. Expect horrible NX branding all over the station signs, garish white red and blue paint adorning every surface and absolutely no improvement in punctuality or affordability.

caliwag, york says...
3:45pm Fri 28 Nov 08

So how do they propose to allow access to the coffee shop above the bookstall...currentl
y off the footbridge landing?
Surely it's better to have two or three randomly appearing ticket inspectors on trains. Strangely they could be quite useful for advice and information as they appear.
The gates will not hinder someone buying a short journey ticket and then going to London or other long-distance station.
Bah...a backward step

anti-rant, York says...
6:02pm Fri 28 Nov 08

THIS IS NOT ABOUT FARE DODGERS! If 'they' would only say that this is about making policing more effective and less costly then it would be more palatable. The Passenger Focus group is primarily staffed with BTP and rail staff and their aim is to make these places safer, i.e. easier to nab all sorts - including posh race gits.
Increased public sector spending or increased public sector inconvenience - not much of a choice.

Ewok, York says...
6:37pm Fri 28 Nov 08

That route is also a major alternative route for people living or working on Leeman Road to get to the city if the tunnel floods (which it increasingly does) or if access is closed (which it was the other night).


bobby_spray, York says...
9:12pm Fri 28 Nov 08

The real reason that this is being done is that National Express want to do away with ticket inspectors on trains. They already have placed barriers at Darlington which is a right pain as they cause huge queues. I hope the press will publish the planning details as I for one will be voicing my opposition. I never thought that I would say this but come back GNER all is forgiven.

poorlyduck, Wheldrake says...
9:43am Sat 29 Nov 08

Point of order on who owns what - Network Rail own ALL stations on the rail network and lease them out to train operators such as National Express East Coast. The company also manages main termini with their own staff (e.g. Leeds, large London stations, Manchester Piccadilly, Birmingham, Liverpool Lime Street, Edinburgh, Glasgow etc) because it's commercially beneficial to them - think of rents from 40 retail outlets at Paddington for example). As for imposing barriers at York - yes, a huge shame and logistically very difficult given the layout of the station. And yes, revenue protection is a driving factor - the reason there has always been barriers at Leeds (because they were there before the new ones went in a month or so ago) is because West Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive insisted on it to protect farebox income on commuter services.

caliwag, york says...
6:12pm Sat 29 Nov 08

So we're getting opposing views on this...it's for revenue protection?...it's for better use of British transport police?
If it was for the former, I still ask, what's to stop people buying short disatnce tickets and piling onto long distance trains? As we observe staff wander through trains asking for "tickets from Doncaster please" etc
Are we to expect all stations to have barriers...that'll go down well at the Cross!!
I've told you the answer... random teams of inspectors (advisors/customer services, people that understand the railways)...you never know when they will appear etc etc
Must be way cheaper than the so-called £2.3m, high tech revamp at York. Barriesr are not a revamp...I don't care what you say. Platform travelators would be a good use of £2.3m...amateurs the lot of em!

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