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Anger over internet ‘spy cars’ on streets of York


CONTROVERSIAL internet “spy cars” have been spotted in York, prompting an outcry from privacy campaigners.

Amateur snappers have captured the cars driving around the city, complete with roof-mounted cameras. They are part of a high-tech online mapping project by internet giant Google, but city leaders say the firm may have breached York’s city centre traffic rules. Council officials will now write to Google demanding answers.

Google is seeking to photograph streets, parks and buildings around the world for its Street View eye-level photo-mapping system. It has already surveyed cities across the United States and is now moving across Europe.

In recent weeks, car’s matching the description of Google’s have been reported in various parts of York, and pictures posted on the photo-sharing website flickr. Site user Carl Spencer captured an image of a car turning into Manthorpe Walk, Acomb, on September 8 and two days later, fellow user James Gunn snapped one driving down Micklegate in the city centre. Another user spotted the car in Dringhouses.

Privacy International director Simon Davies said people going about their everyday life were being made part of a worldwide commercial project without consent.

He said: “It would have been nice and appropriate and perfectly legal for Google to go to the residents of York and ask their opinion on this, if for no other reason than to build trust.”

Google has said it will use face-blurring technology to protect individuals’ privacy, but Mr Davies said he had asked for details of the technology and got no reply. He accused Google of “arrogance” for thinking it could “go anywhere in the world and do anything it wants with no authority whatsoever”.

A City of York Council spokeswoman said: “As a rule of thumb, and out of general professional courtesy, we would normally expect organisations to contact us to seek permission to film in the city.

“They would also need special permission, and a permit, to use a vehicle for filming in the pedestrianised heart of the city. However, we are not aware of Google making any such requests.”

She said the council’s city centre manager Paul Barrett planned to contact Google, asking what they were doing, where, when and why. The council will then decide whether it needed to take further action.

Google spokeswoman Laura Scott said the firm did not yet know when the photos of York would be put on its website. She said: “We are at the driving stage in Europe. Once we have all those European photos we will patch them together.”

The Information Commissioner has declared it is satisfied with Google’s activities, and says adequate privacy safeguards are in place to prevent individuals being linked to a certain place at a certain time. People can request they be removed from photographs in which they appear.

Ms Scott said Street View was a “fantastic” way for people to view Britain’s culture and architecture, particularly during the economic downturn.

Comments(26)

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...
8:46am Sat 1 Nov 08

I don't hear anyone complaining when they look on Google Earth, then tell everyone that they can see there house on it.

pedalling paul says...
8:51am Sat 1 Nov 08

Should fasten their camera to a pedal cycle for travelling round the City Centre......! Damned sight quicker.

A user says...
9:16am Sat 1 Nov 08

Whingers. This car has also been in the Selby area and nobody whinged then.

I think there is another reason we've been seeing this around though. I reckon CW is using this technology to find his new striker....

redr says...
9:31am Sat 1 Nov 08

I had the opportunity to see drive through images of the street where my friend lives in San Antonio Texas thanks to this technology. I can’t help but think that some people are a little paranoid about this stuff. It will be a great source of information for historians in years to come.

Mister Sheen says...
10:31am Sat 1 Nov 08

Japanese tourists have been doing this sort of thing in York for years!

BigJon says...
11:38am Sat 1 Nov 08

"Privacy International director Simon Davies said people going about their everyday life were being made part of a worldwide commercial project without consent"

Commercial project? Do they charge for using it? If it's linked to Google Earth then it's a free service isn't it?

“They would also need special permission, and a permit, to use a vehicle for filming in the pedestrianised heart of the city. However, we are not aware of Google making any such requests.”

Why would they need special permission? They are not 'filming' they are only 'photographing' and all they would need to do would be to take the vehicle through the pedestrionised area outside of restricted times (ie before 8am or after 4pm). I'm also sure that they must have a non-car version of the camera to cope in areas they can't take the vehicle.

And come on, what is the problem anyway????

As someone has already pointed out, if I want to see a picture of someone's house I can already see it on Google Earth.

And so what if you are captured on one of the photos. Unless it's one of the ones around a 'popular' area, who's going to want to look at it?

btw isn't it a breach of Google's privacy to publish a photo of their vehicle without blurring the licence plate?

BigJon says...
11:51am Sat 1 Nov 08

If anyone wants to see what the fuss is about , go to Google Maps (http://maps.google.
com/maps), look at the USA and click on the 'street view' button.

Personally, after looking at a couple of US cities I can't wait to see York and some other UK areas covered by this

bob the builder says...
11:51am Sat 1 Nov 08

The only people who complain are those with something to hide so pass their details to the Police and let's see what they're hiding. Probably a mixture of wanted by police, benefit cheats, sex offenders, people off work allegedly sick, truants and drug trade persons.

Farrow says...
12:08pm Sat 1 Nov 08

These cars have been in York for weeks.

Don't see what the problem is though as Google are planning to blur faces that appear on Street View... I've also heard vehicle number plates will be getting the same treatment too.

BigJon says...
12:34pm Sat 1 Nov 08

btw Europe is also now mapped.

Just had a look at Paris and the face-blurring software works - take a look at some of the little side streets with cafes and zoom in on the customers - it even blurred the face of a model on an advertising poster

So, as I said before.....what's the problem?

xmob says...
1:55pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Get a grip! It's cool. No privacy issues at stake here. I normally supports PI, but not in this case. Google have excellent face distortion technology. They DON'T need permission to do this.

Grow up folks, find something worthwhile to moan about.

Cozyuk says...
2:59pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Oh come on! Privacy issues? Give us a break will you? Google earth is a great site and I for one will use it to look at street level pictures.
What a stupid 'nanny state' we're comeing to live in these days.
Stop interfearing and get on with what you're suposed to be doing.

By the way...the ristricted times in Stonebow,Coppergate,
Picadilly and Pavement areas are 8am to 6pm not 4pm.
Mind you, nobody takes the blindest bit of notice of these 'restricted times'!

old_geezer says...
3:00pm Sat 1 Nov 08

Like xmob, I normally support PI & No2id etc, but StreetView doesn't worry me in general (a few exceptions aside, plus they ought to notify local councils and police out of courtesy).

However, all such issues should be in the media and discussed without accusations of whinging, so that less benign projects than StreetView are deterred.

Incidentally, there has been too much paranoia about photography in public places, with innocent picture-takers being accused of terrorism or paedophilia. I'm annoyed I couldn't photograph my daughter in a swimmimg pool. Were awful things really done in the the days not so long ago when every local paper carried pics of school classes, pantos etc with invitations to ring up and order your own glossy copy? Nothing that I ever heard of.

ouseswimmer says...
3:36pm Sat 1 Nov 08

This happened in September and its only just made the news?

bjb says...
5:30pm Sat 1 Nov 08

What I consider to more an infringement on privacy is the news media including The Press trawling Myspace, Facebook and Flickr etc. and leeching peoples personal pictures and thoughts, particularly at times of grief. A bit of 'kettle calling pot black' if you ask me.

MarkyMarkMark says...
6:27pm Sat 1 Nov 08

With every one else here I think - get a life folk, and stop being so flippin' paranoid.

And is there any evidence that the cars drove through any pedestrianised areas at a time when they shouldn't have? Surely its a just like the city council asking me to prove that my car wasn't somewhere . . . . you can't really prove a negative.

York1900 says...
9:19pm Sat 1 Nov 08

What's the fuss Google are only doing this once The CCTV cameras and on Security company vehicles and buses in York do it every day and that information can be used by The Council, Benefits Agency,Customs and Excise and the Police so all I can say get a life

Hmm? says...
11:12am Sun 2 Nov 08

is this not a good way to promote work? I thoroughly enjoyed looking at some places I'd been on holiday and made of want to revisit so maybe it will encourage people to come to York? Surely this should be something the council support. I suppose it would have been polite to mention it first.

BigJon says...
12:56pm Sun 2 Nov 08

The problem with mentioning it first would've been, as we've seen, uproar, accusations of 'spying' (see press headline above!) and would probably result in the delay, limiting or cancellation of the project.

If the pictures are taken first, or at least a certain number, then the product can be presented properly and no doubt everyone would say 'what a great idea' and talk about how much it will be good for the city and encourage tourism

After all, so far only a few cities in Europe have been chosen for this project. York should at least be pleased that it is amongst them

sprite says...
11:27am Mon 3 Nov 08

Obviously Google are running a huge Internet child **** ring. Why else would they be taking photos of where our children are potentially playing, walking, shopping, in full inocense, and publishing them on the Internet?!?!?! Hang them all.

Alan Shaw says...
12:22pm Mon 3 Nov 08

A user wrote:
Whingers. This car has also been in the Selby area and nobody whinged then. I think there is another reason we've been seeing this around though. I reckon CW is using this technology to find his new striker....
This is a grave intrusion of privacy and disrespectful of Google not to consider asking permission. Unformtunealty I am having difficulty establishing what you mean by your final paragraph. Please can you explain?

ThisIsOli says...
2:07pm Mon 3 Nov 08

Looking forward to seeing this come out to be honest.

I think it is typical of our councillors that they will try and sneak a £40 million project under our noses will then argue about the ethics of photographing our streets, something that will arguably vastly increase the visibility of York to the world (Which can only be a good thing since for a UK city york is relatively unknown outside this country.

Can the councillors please stop getting outraged over things sa minor as this (And wich they should be in favour of, f*cking retards) and instead try and sort out the myriad of fiascos they are causing for this city?

Mapper99 says...
2:19pm Mon 3 Nov 08

Take a look at some of these French and Italian privacy invasions:

http://streetviewgal
lery.corank.com

The camera used in the UK is the same as in the rest of Europe.

meme says...
4:35pm Mon 3 Nov 08

What a fuss over nothing.
Its a great idea and very useful
I love the headlien ''anger over...''
How many people are angry?

BigJon says...
5:34pm Mon 3 Nov 08

Mapper99 wrote:
Take a look at some of these French and Italian privacy invasions: http://streetviewgal lery.corank.com The camera used in the UK is the same as in the rest of Europe.
Had a quick look at this site - as far as I can see most of the shots containing people do have blurred faces. Most of the photos just seem to posted of people caught doing 'amusing' things

It also goes to show that there are a lot of very sad people out there with enough time on their hands and nothing else better to do than trawl through the millions of photos taken to find these (relatively) few shots

Sawday2 says...
5:50pm Mon 3 Nov 08

So who's angry exactly? All the posters here seem to approve. It's quite legal to take photos on people in public places.


One of the camera cars in Micklegate, York One of the camera cars in Micklegate, York

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