Anger over internet ‘spy cars’ on streets of York (From York Press)
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Anger over internet ‘spy cars’ on streets of York
8:30am Saturday 1st November 2008 in News
By Gavin Aitchison, gavin.aitchison@thepress.co.uk
One of the camera cars in Micklegate, York
CONTROVERSIAL internet “spy cars” have been spotted in York, prompting an outcry from privacy campaigners.
Amateur snappers have captured the cars driving around the city, complete with roof-mounted cameras. They are part of a high-tech online mapping project by internet giant Google, but city leaders say the firm may have breached York’s city centre traffic rules. Council officials will now write to Google demanding answers.
Google is seeking to photograph streets, parks and buildings around the world for its Street View eye-level photo-mapping system. It has already surveyed cities across the United States and is now moving across Europe.
In recent weeks, car’s matching the description of Google’s have been reported in various parts of York, and pictures posted on the photo-sharing website flickr. Site user Carl Spencer captured an image of a car turning into Manthorpe Walk, Acomb, on September 8 and two days later, fellow user James Gunn snapped one driving down Micklegate in the city centre. Another user spotted the car in Dringhouses.
Privacy International director Simon Davies said people going about their everyday life were being made part of a worldwide commercial project without consent.
He said: “It would have been nice and appropriate and perfectly legal for Google to go to the residents of York and ask their opinion on this, if for no other reason than to build trust.”
Google has said it will use face-blurring technology to protect individuals’ privacy, but Mr Davies said he had asked for details of the technology and got no reply. He accused Google of “arrogance” for thinking it could “go anywhere in the world and do anything it wants with no authority whatsoever”.
A City of York Council spokeswoman said: “As a rule of thumb, and out of general professional courtesy, we would normally expect organisations to contact us to seek permission to film in the city.
“They would also need special permission, and a permit, to use a vehicle for filming in the pedestrianised heart of the city. However, we are not aware of Google making any such requests.”
She said the council’s city centre manager Paul Barrett planned to contact Google, asking what they were doing, where, when and why. The council will then decide whether it needed to take further action.
Google spokeswoman Laura Scott said the firm did not yet know when the photos of York would be put on its website. She said: “We are at the driving stage in Europe. Once we have all those European photos we will patch them together.”
The Information Commissioner has declared it is satisfied with Google’s activities, and says adequate privacy safeguards are in place to prevent individuals being linked to a certain place at a certain time. People can request they be removed from photographs in which they appear.
Ms Scott said Street View was a “fantastic” way for people to view Britain’s culture and architecture, particularly during the economic downturn.
Comments(26)
NoNewsIsGoodNews
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8:46am Sat 1 Nov 08
pedalling paul
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8:51am Sat 1 Nov 08
A user
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9:16am Sat 1 Nov 08
I think there is another reason we've been seeing this around though. I reckon CW is using this technology to find his new striker....
redr
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9:31am Sat 1 Nov 08
Mister Sheen
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10:31am Sat 1 Nov 08
BigJon
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11:38am Sat 1 Nov 08
Commercial project? Do they charge for using it? If it's linked to Google Earth then it's a free service isn't it?
“They would also need special permission, and a permit, to use a vehicle for filming in the pedestrianised heart of the city. However, we are not aware of Google making any such requests.”
Why would they need special permission? They are not 'filming' they are only 'photographing' and all they would need to do would be to take the vehicle through the pedestrionised area outside of restricted times (ie before 8am or after 4pm). I'm also sure that they must have a non-car version of the camera to cope in areas they can't take the vehicle.
And come on, what is the problem anyway????
As someone has already pointed out, if I want to see a picture of someone's house I can already see it on Google Earth.
And so what if you are captured on one of the photos. Unless it's one of the ones around a 'popular' area, who's going to want to look at it?
btw isn't it a breach of Google's privacy to publish a photo of their vehicle without blurring the licence plate?
BigJon
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11:51am Sat 1 Nov 08
com/maps), look at the USA and click on the 'street view' button.
Personally, after looking at a couple of US cities I can't wait to see York and some other UK areas covered by this
bob the builder
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11:51am Sat 1 Nov 08
Farrow
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12:08pm Sat 1 Nov 08
Don't see what the problem is though as Google are planning to blur faces that appear on Street View... I've also heard vehicle number plates will be getting the same treatment too.
BigJon
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12:34pm Sat 1 Nov 08
Just had a look at Paris and the face-blurring software works - take a look at some of the little side streets with cafes and zoom in on the customers - it even blurred the face of a model on an advertising poster
So, as I said before.....what's the problem?
xmob
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1:55pm Sat 1 Nov 08
Grow up folks, find something worthwhile to moan about.
Cozyuk
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2:59pm Sat 1 Nov 08
What a stupid 'nanny state' we're comeing to live in these days.
Stop interfearing and get on with what you're suposed to be doing.
By the way...the ristricted times in Stonebow,Coppergate,
Picadilly and Pavement areas are 8am to 6pm not 4pm.
Mind you, nobody takes the blindest bit of notice of these 'restricted times'!
old_geezer
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3:00pm Sat 1 Nov 08
However, all such issues should be in the media and discussed without accusations of whinging, so that less benign projects than StreetView are deterred.
Incidentally, there has been too much paranoia about photography in public places, with innocent picture-takers being accused of terrorism or paedophilia. I'm annoyed I couldn't photograph my daughter in a swimmimg pool. Were awful things really done in the the days not so long ago when every local paper carried pics of school classes, pantos etc with invitations to ring up and order your own glossy copy? Nothing that I ever heard of.
ouseswimmer
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3:36pm Sat 1 Nov 08
bjb
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5:30pm Sat 1 Nov 08
MarkyMarkMark
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6:27pm Sat 1 Nov 08
And is there any evidence that the cars drove through any pedestrianised areas at a time when they shouldn't have? Surely its a just like the city council asking me to prove that my car wasn't somewhere . . . . you can't really prove a negative.
York1900
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9:19pm Sat 1 Nov 08
Hmm?
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11:12am Sun 2 Nov 08
BigJon
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12:56pm Sun 2 Nov 08
If the pictures are taken first, or at least a certain number, then the product can be presented properly and no doubt everyone would say 'what a great idea' and talk about how much it will be good for the city and encourage tourism
After all, so far only a few cities in Europe have been chosen for this project. York should at least be pleased that it is amongst them
sprite
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11:27am Mon 3 Nov 08
Alan Shaw
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12:22pm Mon 3 Nov 08
A user wrote:This is a grave intrusion of privacy and disrespectful of Google not to consider asking permission. Unformtunealty I am having difficulty establishing what you mean by your final paragraph. Please can you explain?
Whingers. This car has also been in the Selby area and nobody whinged then. I think there is another reason we've been seeing this around though. I reckon CW is using this technology to find his new striker....
ThisIsOli
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2:07pm Mon 3 Nov 08
I think it is typical of our councillors that they will try and sneak a £40 million project under our noses will then argue about the ethics of photographing our streets, something that will arguably vastly increase the visibility of York to the world (Which can only be a good thing since for a UK city york is relatively unknown outside this country.
Can the councillors please stop getting outraged over things sa minor as this (And wich they should be in favour of, f*cking retards) and instead try and sort out the myriad of fiascos they are causing for this city?
Mapper99
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2:19pm Mon 3 Nov 08
http://streetviewgal
lery.corank.com
The camera used in the UK is the same as in the rest of Europe.
meme
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4:35pm Mon 3 Nov 08
Its a great idea and very useful
I love the headlien ''anger over...''
How many people are angry?
BigJon
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5:34pm Mon 3 Nov 08
Mapper99 wrote:Had a quick look at this site - as far as I can see most of the shots containing people do have blurred faces. Most of the photos just seem to posted of people caught doing 'amusing' things
Take a look at some of these French and Italian privacy invasions: http://streetviewgal lery.corank.com The camera used in the UK is the same as in the rest of Europe.
It also goes to show that there are a lot of very sad people out there with enough time on their hands and nothing else better to do than trawl through the millions of photos taken to find these (relatively) few shots
Sawday2
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5:50pm Mon 3 Nov 08
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