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Citizens advice chiefs quit over report criticism

The former Citizen’s Advice Bureau volunteers who quit the advice centre earlier this year. The former Citizen’s Advice Bureau volunteers who quit the advice centre earlier this year.

NINE trustees at York Citizens Advice Bureau (YCAB) have quit after an inquiry recommended they apologise to 28 former volunteers.

The independent probe was launched after the volunteers quit the city’s advice centre claiming one of their colleagues had been forced to leave YCAB on May 14 over allegations of harassment and bullying.

The review, which was commissioned by Citizens Advice, was led by John Stoker, a former chief charity commissioner for England and Wales.

The report stated the situation at YCAB before and after the volunteer was asked to leave constituted “a failure of management”, and that there was a “shortcoming in governance”.

The report recommended the volunteers who withdrew their services should receive an apology and be invited to return.

It also recommended the trustees, who are unpaid governors, and management of YCAB give a commitment to ensuring that two-way communication between managers and staff was “fundamentally improved”.

Former YCAB volunteer Ellen Bradbury today said it was likely that a significant proportion of the volunteers would now return to work at the office.

Ms Bradbury today said: “From the outset, we believed that our colleague’s dismissal was a gross injustice and a violation of all the principles which Citizens Advice seeks to support and uphold.

“We could not stand by and let it pass, even though it meant fighting our own managers, and we are delighted that justice has been done and he has now been completely exonerated.”

A spokesman for the Citizens Advice Bureau said the trustee who has remained became one very recently and “doesn’t feel he’s in the same boat.”

He said the director of YCAB resigned on Tuesday. A spokeswoman for the trustees who have quit said: “It is with great regret and sadness that after many years of conscientious voluntary service we have taken the difficult and collective decision to step down from our positions as trustees of York CAB.

“This has been a difficult time for us all. We always acted on advice and what we believed to be in the best interests of the bureau.

“We hope that the bureau can continue in its work meeting the needs of local people.”

She said new trustees had been co-opted on to the committee, and that they would continue as the management committee.

Shani Fancett, director of membership services for Citizens Advice, said it hoped the implementation of the review’s recommendations would allow all those involved to move forward to ensure the people of York “continue to receive the services that they need”.

“Crucially, this report highlights not only what went wrong in York, but also how it can be put right.

“I am confident that by accepting John Stoker’s recommendations we can draw a line under this unfortunate episode and work together to build a service in York of which we can all be proud.”

Comments(31)

Lib Dems are a joke says...
11:14am Thu 30 Oct 08

Nowhere in this article do the former trustees actually do what was asked of them, and apologise. It seems like a lot of people in authority, they are too pig headed to amit when they are in the wrong.

Dave Taylor says...
11:23am Thu 30 Oct 08

This is the most marvellous news. Well done John Stoker. The volunteer is exonerated, his colleagues are vindicated for sticking by him. The Director is ousted and the Trustees go off to hang their heads in shame.

RESULT !

NotChrisHNorris says...
11:28am Thu 30 Oct 08

This has been a difficult time for us all. We always acted on advice and what we believed to be in the best interests of the bureau. - what absolute nonsense what they did was always in the best interests of themselves. They were hoodwinked by the Director who has now received his comeuppance. At least when he now needs some advice on benefits and debt he knows where he can get it from. Well done to the volunteers for sticking to their guns and refusing to be put upon. A new beginning for this bureau can only be a good thing

moy says...
11:32am Thu 30 Oct 08

What were the names of the 9 trustees? Anyone know? Have they apologised?

roberts says...
11:38am Thu 30 Oct 08

Dave Taylor wrote:
This is the most marvellous news. Well done John Stoker. The volunteer is exonerated, his colleagues are vindicated for sticking by him. The Director is ousted and the Trustees go off to hang their heads in shame.

RESULT !
The report does not actually exonerate the volunteer. It says that the process with which the matter was dealt was fundamentally flawed. One reccomendation does suggest the new board may wish to continue to pursue the removal of the volunteer.

I say this not as someone sitting on either side of the fence as I don't know the facts behind the case

Lib Dems are a joke says...
11:44am Thu 30 Oct 08

roberts wrote:
Dave Taylor wrote: This is the most marvellous news. Well done John Stoker. The volunteer is exonerated, his colleagues are vindicated for sticking by him. The Director is ousted and the Trustees go off to hang their heads in shame. RESULT !
The report does not actually exonerate the volunteer. It says that the process with which the matter was dealt was fundamentally flawed. One reccomendation does suggest the new board may wish to continue to pursue the removal of the volunteer. I say this not as someone sitting on either side of the fence as I don't know the facts behind the case
Roberts, the side of the fence you are on is whichever side Andrew Waller is.

roberts says...
11:45am Thu 30 Oct 08

sorry i missed the reference to Andrew Waller in this story?

juniorleader says...
11:47am Thu 30 Oct 08

I look forward to the many more comments that will doubtless wash up beneath this article in the coming hours, gradually coalescing into one huge mass of ignorance like so many pieces of unsightly flotsam and jetsam.

Mind you, you're absolutely right to characterise this as a victory for the little man. A handful of unpaid volunteers triumph over the supposed tyranny of, er, a handful of unpaid volunteers?

You must be very, very proud of yourselves. I give it 45 minutes before the usual suspects turn up, libel someone and get this entire thread removed.

roberts says...
11:48am Thu 30 Oct 08

By the way aren't Conservatives in control in Selby?

roberts says...
11:54am Thu 30 Oct 08

Age Concern
Centre For Separated Families

They don't sound like a particularly evil bunch?

Very well managed comments junior leader. I'm impressed

who2believe says...
11:57am Thu 30 Oct 08

So we now know the result; but what was the story?
Where is the real detail from the report?

Lib Dems are a joke says...
12:35pm Thu 30 Oct 08

roberts wrote:
By the way aren't Conservatives in control in Selby?
Yeah. Sorry for tempoarily moving house. Im actually back in York Roberts. Not that it is any of your business. Where do you live, apart from in Andrew Wallers pocket.

roberts says...
12:48pm Thu 30 Oct 08

roberts wrote:
sorry i missed the reference to Andrew Waller in this story?
.

NotChrisHNorris says...
1:20pm Thu 30 Oct 08

I see the hand of censorship again. The names of the Trustees have been removed despite them being a matter of public record. Why bother to have a thread which is then subject to draconian control. The volunteers know who the Trustee Board members are and so should we.

roberts says...
1:59pm Thu 30 Oct 08

I'm not sure what exactly you are accusing the Trustee Board of doing?

NotChrisHNorris says...
2:07pm Thu 30 Oct 08

Read the report and you'll see exactly what I'm alluding to

roberts says...
2:33pm Thu 30 Oct 08

From what I can see the report says they failed to follow the correct protocol therefore their findings were incorrectbu

juniorleader says...
2:34pm Thu 30 Oct 08

The names of the trustees probably aren't included in the article because they are irrelevant. The Trustee Board should be seen as a single entity that is judged on its collective actions - as it has been here. To name the individual members is pointless, unless you are either trying to imply that they have some sort of hidden agenda or are simply indulging in pointless and sensationalist messageboard pseudo-journalism.

As 'roberts' has correctly pointed out, if you do start investigating the backgrounds of the ex-Trustee Board all you discover is that they are - shock horror - a variety of people from the public and private sectors who have, for many years, offered their unpaid time and expertise to a York charity. Or did, until this whole sorry affair went national. Talking of which, if we're going to indulge in a spot of finger pointing let's look at the role played in all of this by the Hon. Member of Parliament for York. No doubt his 'successful' intervention on behalf of the volunteers at the expense of the entire trust board will be trumpeted as a victory for common sense and New Labour pragmatism in the very near future...

NotChrisHNorris says...
2:43pm Thu 30 Oct 08

The report said, and I quote "The Trustee Board did not hold the Director to account sufficiently effectively to ensure adequate standards of management and leadership in the bureau, and this constitutes a shortcoming in governance" And this is the very same Trustee Board who were recently voted Trustee Board of the Year by the National Association, if that's the criteria for winning what are the rest like?

honestjoe says...
2:44pm Thu 30 Oct 08

the real issue isnt the trustees, its the director. the paper said all along the trustees were just volunteers. the fact that some highly paid director tried to dump all this on a group of volunteer trustees is the real shock. I know how hard it can be because Ive been a trutsee of our community centre and if it wasnt for the support from the staff employed we wouldnt be able to get anywhere.

Where has this director gone too now? has he apologised? It sounds as thought he was sacked and the trustees are being used as a smokescreen to cover up problems he caused.

honestjoe says...
2:47pm Thu 30 Oct 08

reading what notchrisH was written above me makes me wonder how the whoel charity system ever works. If all charities are like our community centre then it relies on trust that the staff know what they are doing. why would anybody ever volutneer to be a trustee of a charity again if they thought they would be blamed in the paper for all sorts of stuff and the management get away scott free?

NotChrisHNorris says...
2:48pm Thu 30 Oct 08

Spot on about the Director Jhonestjoe, he resigned just before the report was made public - probably went with a nice pay off, authorised by the same Trustee Board who then resigned. Accountability ha - it's only our money!

roberts says...
2:53pm Thu 30 Oct 08

Honest Joe and junior again it seems to me you are spot on.

Not Chris. In answer to my question I still ask what you are accusing them of. You seem to be very very annoyed with them, when the report as you quoted said they "failed to hold the director to account efficiently"

Hardly the crime of the century that a few part time volunteers devoteing their resources for free for the good of the community, weren't quite as up to speed on certain issues as a full time paid director.

It seems to me if anything these same trustees are the only ones that have done the honorable thing, held their hands up, and put the CAB first.

I think its time the Staff working their at the time, the volunteers who left the director, and the individual who was asked to leave did the same thing.

Perhaps if they all put the bureau first instead of pushing all their separate agendas then perhaps things could move forwad with a clean slate

honestjoe says...
2:56pm Thu 30 Oct 08

at least the director has been named and shamed. I cant imagine he will find it easy finding another job after all this

roberts says...
2:57pm Thu 30 Oct 08

NotChrisHNorris wrote:
Spot on about the Director Jhonestjoe, he resigned just before the report was made public - probably went with a nice pay off, authorised by the same Trustee Board who then resigned. Accountability ha - it's only our money!
Sorry wasn't this whole issue started by someone being asked to leave?

The report you are so dearly clinged to found the Trustee Board had not followed the correct procedure in asking this person to leave.

If as you say the director has left as well, inn this case i would sincerely hope that the board has followed exact employment protocol in doing this too.

it seems your actually proposing one rule for one and one rule for another. This seems to suggest from an outsiders point of view that you are not actually interested in the CAB, or ensuring people are given fair hearings and due process, but in fact fighting a petty revenge agenda.

On this last count your user name does you no favours

NotChrisHNorris says...
3:34pm Thu 30 Oct 08

The point I am trying to get across is that when the Director came to the CAB there was a 'proper' independent Trustee Board but over the years they have quit and been replaced by his friends. This obviously means that he is left alone to do almost as he wishes. Their failure (whether as volunteers or not) to ensure thaat he 'played by the rules' has led to a complete breakdown of trust between him/them and the volunteers - I've no hidden agenda just a deep seated desire to see justice done for a dedicated group of advisers who, collectively have helped thousands and thousands of desperate people over the years. Simple as that.

roberts says...
4:07pm Thu 30 Oct 08

much more measured comment chris, i have to acknowledge that. I still think you seem to be seeing conspiracies where there are not but I respect your right to have that opinion.

My problem came when you were saying things such as,

"We always acted on advice and what we believed to be in the best interests of the bureau. - what absolute nonsense what they did was always in the best interests of themselves."

Which I don't believe is tru and is not born out in the evidence of the report

Soothsayer179 says...
4:38pm Thu 30 Oct 08

roberts wrote:
much more measured comment chris, i have to acknowledge that. I still think you seem to be seeing conspiracies where there are not but I respect your right to have that opinion. My problem came when you were saying things such as, "We always acted on advice and what we believed to be in the best interests of the bureau. - what absolute nonsense what they did was always in the best interests of themselves." Which I don't believe is tru and is not born out in the evidence of the report
You patronising tw@t. Lol

doberman says...
4:47pm Thu 30 Oct 08

If the Director has left ! and the Trustee Board resigned,what about the rest of the management are they going as well. whats good for one is good for the other !

honestjoe says...
4:55pm Thu 30 Oct 08

As an outsider looking in with interest one thing that does stand out is what an awful place it must be to work. trustees who dont know whats going on, a power mad director, volunteers who want complain to the papers, its a wonder why anybody wants a paid job there let alone do it for free!!


bjb says...
4:59pm Thu 30 Oct 08

Soothsayer179 wrote:
roberts wrote: much more measured comment chris, i have to acknowledge that. I still think you seem to be seeing conspiracies where there are not but I respect your right to have that opinion. My problem came when you were saying things such as, "We always acted on advice and what we believed to be in the best interests of the bureau. - what absolute nonsense what they did was always in the best interests of themselves." Which I don't believe is tru and is not born out in the evidence of the report
You patronising tw@t. Lol
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