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11:00am Monday 6th October 2008 in News
ROYAL Mail intends to stop processing second class post in York – sparking fears for the long-term future of the city’s sorting office and more than 350 jobs.
The company today confirmed it was proposing to transfer the processing of second class mail posted within the Y0 postcode area from the York Mail Centre in Leeman Road to Leeds Mail Centre.
It said the move, intended to improve operational efficiency, would not result in the loss of any of the York centre’s 360 jobs. “There would be no job losses due to the way we manage staffing at the mail centre,” said a spokesman.
And he said there were “no plans at the moment” to transfer any further mail processing from York to Leeds.
But postal workers union leader Paul Clays said he and members feared the loss of second class mail sorting would be followed later by first class and other mail, and the closure of the entire sorting office.
And he warned that meetings of CWU members would be held to discuss the change, with the possibility of industrial action by both sorting office and delivery workers against the change.
A York sorting office employee, who did not wish to be identified, told The Press staff feared the worst. “We are worried this is the thin end of the wedge – that it could be death by a thousand cuts,” he said.
“Once they’ve established the precedent of moving second class mail from York to Leeds, they could decide to move first class and other mail there later on.”
Mr Clays claimed the change would lead to the environmentally-unnacceptable prospect of mail posted in York being transported to Leeds to be sorted and then brought back to York to be delivered.
“You could post a letter in Coney Street and it would have to make a 50-mile round journey via Leeds before being delivered in Parliament Street,” he claimed.
But the Royal Mail spokesman denied there would be any environmental impact, saying that second class mail would be transported on vehicles that would already be travelling to Leeds and back.
He said only a proportion of mail posted in York was destined to be delivered in the city as well.
Mr Clays claimed customers would experience a decline in the quality of service when posting letters Second Class, because Leeds had a poorer record of service than York. He said staff were already “incandescent” at delivering mail in York much later than they used to do.
But Royal Mail strongly denied there would be any difference in the level of service provided between Leeds and York.
Asked if workers would still be able to work by travelling to Leeds each day if jobs moved there, Mr Clays said: “They might not be able to travel over there and it would mean extra costs. Many people pedal to work in York and I can’t see them being able to pedal to Leeds each day.”
Sorting office could be relocated
The news comes less than a fortnight after The Press revealed the sorting office could be relocated and the site redeveloped under the ambitious York Central scheme.
The newspaper reported the potential for including the Leeman Road site in the billion-pound redevelopment of the area around the railway station had been raised, with one option being to locate a new public transport interchange on the site.
But Royal Mail stressed then that while it was aware of the plan, it was at a very early stage, and the company would not say if it was definitely considering moving out. Nor would it comment on whether, if it did eventually leave, it would relocate to another site in the York area further afield.
Mr Clays said the question of whether Royal Mail intended selling Leeman Road had been raised by the union at a meeting with the company and the answer was: “Not officially.”
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JC42
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11:33am Mon 6 Oct 08
York1900
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11:52am Mon 6 Oct 08
petethefeet
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12:04pm Mon 6 Oct 08
yawn..
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12:46pm Mon 6 Oct 08
Geoffers
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12:52pm Mon 6 Oct 08
Top Banana
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2:26pm Mon 6 Oct 08
fazman
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3:04pm Mon 6 Oct 08
Old Spice
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3:28pm Mon 6 Oct 08
plaggy terry
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3:31pm Mon 6 Oct 08
Old Spice
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3:44pm Mon 6 Oct 08
petethefeet
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3:44pm Mon 6 Oct 08
Old Spice wrote:mmmmm. I wouldn't count on it. The original P.O. contract probably includes the words "may be required to work elsewhere other than the initial place of employment". However, case law has nullified such general inclusions in contracts and are only valid if the alternative locations are specifically stated. So, it comes down to what is a reasonable relocation? There is no definite answer to this other than it's expected for management grades to be more 'flexible' than the troops (you would need legal advice on this). Many of the postal workers will be covered by the old Civil Service contractual condition that if they are made compulsory redundant after the age of 50 then they get their pension immediately enhanced by up to 6.66 years. I would contend that refusing a move of 25 miles to Leeds doesn't remove this protection and therefore I suspect that RM management won't be closing York whilst there are so many "untouchables" abound at the place.
Don't hold your breath fazman on getting a good deal. It will be work in Leeds or nowt. If they offer you a job you won't get offered money as an alternative. They haven't got any to flash about for the likes of the workers hope you have more than a pushy bike for transport.
Old Spice
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4:06pm Mon 6 Oct 08
petethefeet wrote:if that is true then I'll not worry, if being one of the untouchables keeps the place going for some time then fine and there are quite alot of us there too.
Old Spice wrote: Don't hold your breath fazman on getting a good deal. It will be work in Leeds or nowt. If they offer you a job you won't get offered money as an alternative. They haven't got any to flash about for the likes of the workers hope you have more than a pushy bike for transport.mmmmm. I wouldn't count on it. The original P.O. contract probably includes the words "may be required to work elsewhere other than the initial place of employment". However, case law has nullified such general inclusions in contracts and are only valid if the alternative locations are specifically stated. So, it comes down to what is a reasonable relocation? There is no definite answer to this other than it's expected for management grades to be more 'flexible' than the troops (you would need legal advice on this). Many of the postal workers will be covered by the old Civil Service contractual condition that if they are made compulsory redundant after the age of 50 then they get their pension immediately enhanced by up to 6.66 years. I would contend that refusing a move of 25 miles to Leeds doesn't remove this protection and therefore I suspect that RM management won't be closing York whilst there are so many "untouchables" abound at the place.
plaggy terry
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4:27pm Mon 6 Oct 08
Old Spice wrote:How do you know,there wasnt anyone in management once called Pat.?
shut up plaggy terry we are trying to put some adult perspective on this subject not talk about fairy tales, although when it comes to the workers being told the truth by management fairy tales it is, although to be fair lower managers don't know anything either
Seth
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9:00pm Mon 6 Oct 08
yawn.. wrote:Hi,yawn...,i don't really think your postie is a jobsworth,we have to card you if the letter is under paid,the item was possibly too thick to go through a sorting machine-thus has to be manualy sorted,and so costs more to process.I agree the charges are high,but don't blame your postie,we are a good bunch on the whole.
I recently received a card in the post concerning a letter (mailed first class) that would have EASILY fitted through my letterbox.. no folding.. no messing around. As some jobsworth had clearly considered it 5 - 10mm larger than the norm there was a question of a further 6p.. yes.. 6 pence outstanding on this correspondence.. Result, the royal mail took the time and effort to post a card (hand written) to me asking me to pick up my own mail and charged me not just 6p, but an additional £1 for the privilege of doing so (handling charge). My opinion for what its worth is that we pay for a first class service only to be fobbed off with a third rate effort. If it goes easily through a letterbox why the heck can't they just post it.! Never mind buying a book of stamps, ask yourself if it will pass the post offices idea of a letter. Best be safe and take it to a post office counter... oh, wait a minute.. they've closed most of those down now haven't they.?!
yawn..
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1:52am Tue 7 Oct 08
Seth wrote:Hi Seth,
yawn.. wrote:Hi,yawn...,i don't really think your postie is a jobsworth,we have to card you if the letter is under paid,the item was possibly too thick to go through a sorting machine-thus has to be manualy sorted,and so costs more to process.I agree the charges are high,but don't blame your postie,we are a good bunch on the whole.
I recently received a card in the post concerning a letter (mailed first class) that would have EASILY fitted through my letterbox.. no folding.. no messing around. As some jobsworth had clearly considered it 5 - 10mm larger than the norm there was a question of a further 6p.. yes.. 6 pence outstanding on this correspondence.. Result, the royal mail took the time and effort to post a card (hand written) to me asking me to pick up my own mail and charged me not just 6p, but an additional £1 for the privilege of doing so (handling charge). My opinion for what its worth is that we pay for a first class service only to be fobbed off with a third rate effort. If it goes easily through a letterbox why the heck can't they just post it.! Never mind buying a book of stamps, ask yourself if it will pass the post offices idea of a letter. Best be safe and take it to a post office counter... oh, wait a minute.. they've closed most of those down now haven't they.?!
Chris1982
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2:25am Tue 7 Oct 08
roberts
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9:46am Tue 7 Oct 08
clanger
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10:47am Tue 7 Oct 08
Old Spice
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4:00pm Wed 8 Oct 08
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