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The Royal Mail sorting office in Leeman Road, York The Royal Mail sorting office in Leeman Road, York

ROYAL Mail intends to stop processing second class post in York – sparking fears for the long-term future of the city’s sorting office and more than 350 jobs.

The company today confirmed it was proposing to transfer the processing of second class mail posted within the Y0 postcode area from the York Mail Centre in Leeman Road to Leeds Mail Centre.

It said the move, intended to improve operational efficiency, would not result in the loss of any of the York centre’s 360 jobs. “There would be no job losses due to the way we manage staffing at the mail centre,” said a spokesman.

And he said there were “no plans at the moment” to transfer any further mail processing from York to Leeds.

But postal workers union leader Paul Clays said he and members feared the loss of second class mail sorting would be followed later by first class and other mail, and the closure of the entire sorting office.

And he warned that meetings of CWU members would be held to discuss the change, with the possibility of industrial action by both sorting office and delivery workers against the change.

A York sorting office employee, who did not wish to be identified, told The Press staff feared the worst. “We are worried this is the thin end of the wedge – that it could be death by a thousand cuts,” he said.

“Once they’ve established the precedent of moving second class mail from York to Leeds, they could decide to move first class and other mail there later on.”

Mr Clays claimed the change would lead to the environmentally-unnacceptable prospect of mail posted in York being transported to Leeds to be sorted and then brought back to York to be delivered.

“You could post a letter in Coney Street and it would have to make a 50-mile round journey via Leeds before being delivered in Parliament Street,” he claimed.

But the Royal Mail spokesman denied there would be any environmental impact, saying that second class mail would be transported on vehicles that would already be travelling to Leeds and back.

He said only a proportion of mail posted in York was destined to be delivered in the city as well.

Mr Clays claimed customers would experience a decline in the quality of service when posting letters Second Class, because Leeds had a poorer record of service than York. He said staff were already “incandescent” at delivering mail in York much later than they used to do.

But Royal Mail strongly denied there would be any difference in the level of service provided between Leeds and York.

Asked if workers would still be able to work by travelling to Leeds each day if jobs moved there, Mr Clays said: “They might not be able to travel over there and it would mean extra costs. Many people pedal to work in York and I can’t see them being able to pedal to Leeds each day.”


Sorting office could be relocated

The news comes less than a fortnight after The Press revealed the sorting office could be relocated and the site redeveloped under the ambitious York Central scheme.

The newspaper reported the potential for including the Leeman Road site in the billion-pound redevelopment of the area around the railway station had been raised, with one option being to locate a new public transport interchange on the site.

But Royal Mail stressed then that while it was aware of the plan, it was at a very early stage, and the company would not say if it was definitely considering moving out. Nor would it comment on whether, if it did eventually leave, it would relocate to another site in the York area further afield.

Mr Clays said the question of whether Royal Mail intended selling Leeman Road had been raised by the union at a meeting with the company and the answer was: “Not officially.”

Comments(19)

JC42 says...
11:33am Mon 6 Oct 08

Oh dear can see more jobs going , also strike action. when all the doom and gloom going to end ?????

York1900 says...
11:52am Mon 6 Oct 08

There is No point to this Royal Mail and Post Office are just trying to push there cost up so they can turn to the government for more money or shut Offices

it is a well known fact if you have to move stuff it cost money and the secret is to move it as little as possible but if you want to put your prices up you have to show that it is costing you more

IT would not be so bad if Royal Mail did not go in for the wholesale delivery of JUNK MAIL and charged a fair price to it's competitors for delivery of there mail
How can any company deliver a competitors service cheaper than it's own

petethefeet says...
12:04pm Mon 6 Oct 08

What's confusing about this is that it flies in the face of the original reasons for setting up of 1st and 2nd Class post. At the time, the Post Office was mechanising and such installations can only operate at a specific speed. So, by splitting mail into 1st and 2nd Class, one could prioritise and do the 2nd Class when there was spare capacity.

So, it would seem that they no longer need this flexibility, perhaps because there is plenty of junk mail to process. You watch, I'll bet this is a pre-cursor to doing away 2nd Class Mail and make us all pay the full whack.

This is a subtle way that residential users will be subsidising Royal Mail's contracts with Private Business Post firms(where they charge 13p to deliver)

yawn.. says...
12:46pm Mon 6 Oct 08

I recently received a card in the post concerning a letter (mailed first class) that would have EASILY fitted through my letterbox.. no folding.. no messing around. As some jobsworth had clearly considered it 5 - 10mm larger than the norm there was a question of a further 6p.. yes.. 6 pence outstanding on this correspondence.. Result, the royal mail took the time and effort to post a card (hand written) to me asking me to pick up my own mail and charged me not just 6p, but an additional £1 for the privilege of doing so (handling charge).

My opinion for what its worth is that we pay for a first class service only to be fobbed off with a third rate effort. If it goes easily through a letterbox why the heck can't they just post it.!

Never mind buying a book of stamps, ask yourself if it will pass the post offices idea of a letter. Best be safe and take it to a post office counter... oh, wait a minute.. they've closed most of those down now haven't they.?!

Geoffers says...
12:52pm Mon 6 Oct 08

This is no doubt brought about by the complexity of having to deal with, and check, whether items meet the new dimensional and thickness parameters.
Now, they just can't manage to do 2nd class mail at York.
The answer is to scrap these new dimensional paramteres!
Sending mail to Leeds to sort it and then bringing back to York for delivery is just plain daft! It should be sorted as close as possible to the collection point.

Complexity = extra cost!

Top Banana says...
2:26pm Mon 6 Oct 08

The sorting office at Leeman Road does have the capacity to process second class mail and does it very well. Now staff on the morning shift are few and far between as there is no second class letters to process. If second class packets were to go to leeds, this would more likely end in job losses or 'natural wastage' as the firm likes to put it.
RM does have its hands tied behind its back to a certain extent as they cannot compete with the likes of TNT & UK Mail etc as these companies pick off the profitable bits of the business - leaving RM to subsidise the loss making bits under its obligation to its government licence to operate the postal service which is why it can't compete with its rivals. (and do people not realise that RM still has to deliver TNT mail and other companies mail to your door, as there is no profit in it for them to deliver mail??)
Unfortunately too, if there were to be any strike action by the CWU, then this would simply speed up the process of moving the whole lot to Leeds.
I'm sure the powers that be at RM know exactly the long term plan for Leeman Road, its just a shame they can't be honest with its workforce about the inevitable outcome?
If business' backed British companies like RM instead of the German and Dutch companies - who incidentally have equal customer dissatisfaction rates, then RM wouldn't be in this mess.

fazman says...
3:04pm Mon 6 Oct 08

Nice to see some adult comments on the press site for a change.
Rm have just finished a review of the north west area and are planning to close several offices,one is Liverpool a six floor monstrosity I have been told.
This is just a part of the long term plans to streamline the whole business.
I Have worked at the sorting office for many years now and to be honest RM have never told us the truth on matters until they are forced to do so.
Its just when not if the sorting office shuts down
The place is so outdated with three floor working and it's an eyesore.
Lets just hope the loyal workers get a 'good deal' when it shuts,but don't get too optimistic.
Its so easy for them to cut and burn now ,look how easy they shut the sub post offices,a bit of fuss , but it still happened.

Old Spice says...
3:28pm Mon 6 Oct 08

Don't hold your breath fazman on getting a good deal. It will be work in Leeds or nowt. If they offer you a job you won't get offered money as an alternative. They haven't got any to flash about for the likes of the workers hope you have more than a pushy bike for transport.

plaggy terry says...
3:31pm Mon 6 Oct 08

They should never have sacked postman pat.

Old Spice says...
3:44pm Mon 6 Oct 08

shut up plaggy terry we are trying to put some adult perspective on this subject not talk about fairy tales, although when it comes to the workers being told the truth by management fairy tales it is, although to be fair lower managers don't know anything either

petethefeet says...
3:44pm Mon 6 Oct 08

Old Spice wrote:
Don't hold your breath fazman on getting a good deal. It will be work in Leeds or nowt. If they offer you a job you won't get offered money as an alternative. They haven't got any to flash about for the likes of the workers hope you have more than a pushy bike for transport.
mmmmm. I wouldn't count on it. The original P.O. contract probably includes the words "may be required to work elsewhere other than the initial place of employment". However, case law has nullified such general inclusions in contracts and are only valid if the alternative locations are specifically stated. So, it comes down to what is a reasonable relocation? There is no definite answer to this other than it's expected for management grades to be more 'flexible' than the troops (you would need legal advice on this). Many of the postal workers will be covered by the old Civil Service contractual condition that if they are made compulsory redundant after the age of 50 then they get their pension immediately enhanced by up to 6.66 years. I would contend that refusing a move of 25 miles to Leeds doesn't remove this protection and therefore I suspect that RM management won't be closing York whilst there are so many "untouchables" abound at the place.

Old Spice says...
4:06pm Mon 6 Oct 08

petethefeet wrote:
Old Spice wrote: Don't hold your breath fazman on getting a good deal. It will be work in Leeds or nowt. If they offer you a job you won't get offered money as an alternative. They haven't got any to flash about for the likes of the workers hope you have more than a pushy bike for transport.
mmmmm. I wouldn't count on it. The original P.O. contract probably includes the words "may be required to work elsewhere other than the initial place of employment". However, case law has nullified such general inclusions in contracts and are only valid if the alternative locations are specifically stated. So, it comes down to what is a reasonable relocation? There is no definite answer to this other than it's expected for management grades to be more 'flexible' than the troops (you would need legal advice on this). Many of the postal workers will be covered by the old Civil Service contractual condition that if they are made compulsory redundant after the age of 50 then they get their pension immediately enhanced by up to 6.66 years. I would contend that refusing a move of 25 miles to Leeds doesn't remove this protection and therefore I suspect that RM management won't be closing York whilst there are so many "untouchables" abound at the place.
if that is true then I'll not worry, if being one of the untouchables keeps the place going for some time then fine and there are quite alot of us there too.

plaggy terry says...
4:27pm Mon 6 Oct 08

Old Spice wrote:
shut up plaggy terry we are trying to put some adult perspective on this subject not talk about fairy tales, although when it comes to the workers being told the truth by management fairy tales it is, although to be fair lower managers don't know anything either
How do you know,there wasnt anyone in management once called Pat.?

Not suprised your called oldspice.. that stuff smells worse than wrestlers jockstrap,
co incidence?

Seth says...
9:00pm Mon 6 Oct 08

yawn.. wrote:
I recently received a card in the post concerning a letter (mailed first class) that would have EASILY fitted through my letterbox.. no folding.. no messing around. As some jobsworth had clearly considered it 5 - 10mm larger than the norm there was a question of a further 6p.. yes.. 6 pence outstanding on this correspondence.. Result, the royal mail took the time and effort to post a card (hand written) to me asking me to pick up my own mail and charged me not just 6p, but an additional £1 for the privilege of doing so (handling charge). My opinion for what its worth is that we pay for a first class service only to be fobbed off with a third rate effort. If it goes easily through a letterbox why the heck can't they just post it.! Never mind buying a book of stamps, ask yourself if it will pass the post offices idea of a letter. Best be safe and take it to a post office counter... oh, wait a minute.. they've closed most of those down now haven't they.?!
Hi,yawn...,i don't really think your postie is a jobsworth,we have to card you if the letter is under paid,the item was possibly too thick to go through a sorting machine-thus has to be manualy sorted,and so costs more to process.I agree the charges are high,but don't blame your postie,we are a good bunch on the whole.

yawn.. says...
1:52am Tue 7 Oct 08

Seth wrote:
yawn.. wrote:
I recently received a card in the post concerning a letter (mailed first class) that would have EASILY fitted through my letterbox.. no folding.. no messing around. As some jobsworth had clearly considered it 5 - 10mm larger than the norm there was a question of a further 6p.. yes.. 6 pence outstanding on this correspondence.. Result, the royal mail took the time and effort to post a card (hand written) to me asking me to pick up my own mail and charged me not just 6p, but an additional £1 for the privilege of doing so (handling charge). My opinion for what its worth is that we pay for a first class service only to be fobbed off with a third rate effort. If it goes easily through a letterbox why the heck can't they just post it.! Never mind buying a book of stamps, ask yourself if it will pass the post offices idea of a letter. Best be safe and take it to a post office counter... oh, wait a minute.. they've closed most of those down now haven't they.?!
Hi,yawn...,i don't really think your postie is a jobsworth,we have to card you if the letter is under paid,the item was possibly too thick to go through a sorting machine-thus has to be manualy sorted,and so costs more to process.I agree the charges are high,but don't blame your postie,we are a good bunch on the whole.
Hi Seth,

My apologies if my comments gave offence where none was intended. I'd be the first to agree that the honest postie going about his largely thankless task out in all weathers does a fine job.

I guess the source of my frustration lies in the hierarchy of the royal mail, the kind of people who close branches that have been a lifeline to people less fortunate or able than others just because they aren't as profitable. This, coupled with what seems a largely unannounced change to the sizes in letters, to me simply seems penny pinching.
The item in question was a birthday card and would have easily fitted through the letter box.. Quite incensed really.. £1.06, because apparently it should have cost a further 6p to send.. Still, just so long as some pen pusher gets a nice big bonus this year I suppose I should be happy.. lol, all the best m8.

Chris1982 says...
2:25am Tue 7 Oct 08

York is going down the drain. Postmen and postwomen do, do a good job but Royal mail are idiots if they do this.

roberts says...
9:46am Tue 7 Oct 08

this is a classic example of why not all Council discussions should be made public. This smacks to me that Royal Mail have seen the plans for York Central, the strategic location of their sorting office and now have pound signs in their eyes

clanger says...
10:47am Tue 7 Oct 08

Typical Royal Mail

I find it funny how they can not put a name to thier faceless commentator! Why don`t the managers who are responsable for this action put thier names forward for what they have done? rather than hide. After all it is clear that they are costing the public money. Because it is the public that still own this company. Contary to the ego`s of the people making these poor choices.

Old Spice says...
4:00pm Wed 8 Oct 08

Not suprised your called oldspice.. that stuff smells worse than wrestlers jockstrap,
co incidence?
The real plaggy Terry would not be so rude that I do know

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