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Scott's butchers closes after 130 years

10:20am Saturday 19th July 2008

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By Gerran Grimshaw »

ONE of York’s oldest butchers has closed its doors for the final time, citing council red-tape and corporate customers’ debts for the decision.

Scott’s Butchers has been at its Low Petergate home for 130 years.

But manager William Anderson said a combination of City of York Council’s strict regulations on vehicle access to the city centre and the fact that the business was owed “substantial sums” of money by restaurants and other catering firms had forced the closure decision.

Mr Anderson said two of the butchers’ debtors had become insolvent a couple of months ago, with the shop arranging a payment plan so half the money could be repaid to Scott’s.

“Over the last couple of months, business has been absolutely fantastic,” he said.

“We’ve been selling a hell of a lot of stuff and have been doing very well.”

But he said he had now heard rumours of further bankruptcies among businesses owning money to the shop. He said he and the owners of Scott’s had had to take the difficult decision to close now, while the business could still honour all its debts.

Mr Anderson said: “We’re wrapping things up so we can pay our suppliers, pay the staff’s wages and redundancy, and not be in any debt.

“If we went bankrupt, we’d take many other companies with us, and we don’t want to do that.

“In the current market, we don’t want to get to the point where we have to go bankrupt. I’d be leading suppliers on by buying from them – I’d be running the business the wrong way.”

He added: “I’d like to thank all our loyal customers.”

Mr Anderson said most of the shop’s trade was business-to-business sales to restaurants and other catering firms, with the retail side of the business “dying a death”.

He said: “I don’t blame anyone for shopping in a supermarket, because of the difficulty and expense of parking in the city centre – we have a lot of older customers who struggle to walk very far.

“A lot more needs to be done to help small businesses within the city centre survive – that includes all the market traders too.

He said larger national chains seemed to be given more leeway than smaller traders when it came to vehicle access.

“Our deliveries all have to be done in the morning, which has stopped us growing this business,” he said.

“We have people refusing to deliver to the shop because of traffic wardens who give them tickets if they’re parked up for more than five minutes.”

A council spokeswoman said: “There are specified times for deliveries to be carried out and these apply to all businesses.

“We have to balance the need for shops to receive deliveries with the need to ensure the safety of pedestrians accessing those shops.”

‘We’re the last business producing an official York ham’

SCOTT’S Butchers was established in 1878 and has been owned by Tim and Sarah Oliver since 2005.

“We bought the shop two-and-a-half years ago and have built it up since then,” manager William Anderson said.

“We’ve changed the business by using our own locally-produced livestock in the shop as much as possible and buying as little as possible from third-party suppliers.

“We kept the same staff, making pies in the shop the same way they’ve been made for 30 years.

“But trading has generally got more difficult and we’ve taken a couple of knocks from people going bankrupt on us.”

He said the city was losing a unique tourist attraction as well as a long-standing, successful small business.

“There’s nothing like this place anywhere else in the world – we’re the last business producing an official York ham,” he said.

“If I got a pound for every tourist who stops to take a picture of the shop, I’d have a thousand pounds by the end of every day.

“Around four million tourists come to York every year to see unique things.

“We don’t have to try hard to get them here, but we have to make it worthwhile for them once they’re here.

“The council aren’t doing anything to protect the heritage of the place.”

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jet the dog, york says...
10:29am Sat 19 Jul 08

these guys sold the best scotch eggs in the world

StrongBeau, In a pub says...
11:11am Sat 19 Jul 08

“The council aren’t doing anything to protect the heritage of the place.” Maybe that should read “The council aren’t doing anything except build themselves some nice new offices in Hungate”

Pedro, York says...
12:24pm Sat 19 Jul 08

Very sad -- they always sold quality products, but I am not sure the public can tell any more. We used to see the queue right down the street at one time...

navigator, aycliffe village says...
12:40pm Sat 19 Jul 08


Very, very sad to hear of the closure.Both my parents used to shop here in the 50s and 60s. Christmas will not be the same without a very large Scotts Pork Pie on the table at Christmas Eve, part of our Family tradition. They dont make pies like this in Co Durham.

consumer, York says...
12:42pm Sat 19 Jul 08

"If I got a pound for every tourist who stops to take a picture of the shop, I’d have a thousand pounds by the end of every day."

A thousand? Every day? Are you sure?

Grumpy Old Man, York says...
12:59pm Sat 19 Jul 08

I'm yet to find a supermarket that sells pies and black puddings as good as Scott's. A sad day

Chris1982, York says...
1:34pm Sat 19 Jul 08

Thats a huge shame, more than a butcher, a way of life. This decade gets worse.

Bemused, York says...
2:20pm Sat 19 Jul 08

It says there are SEVEN comments, but I can only see ONE.

Get a grip Press!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

smudge1, York says...
3:44pm Sat 19 Jul 08

Mr Anderson said two of the butchers’ debtors had become insolvent a couple of months ago, with the shop arranging a payment plan so half the money could be repaid to Scott’s.

Who was in charge of the customers accounts ??. If a firm stops paying you stop supplying. Its not rocket science !! No business is profitable if you do not get paid. It should have been up to Scotts to source credit references and better arrangements with their end users.

StrongBeau, In a pub says...
3:48pm Sat 19 Jul 08

The 'main' press page says there are 8 comments but when you look there's only 1......has freedom of speech gone again I wonder??

Loxten, York says...
3:55pm Sat 19 Jul 08

Sad to see an institution going under - a bit of a red herring blaming the Council which is just lazy opportunism. Places like these are a irretrievable loss, unlike Estate Agents who deserve everything they get after gorging on the public for many years - I won't shed a tear if most of them go under...

tony1911, Scottsdale, Arizona, USA says...
5:04pm Sat 19 Jul 08

I took a photo of Scott's shop on my last visit to York in 2006. It's right here on my computer as a screen saver, reminding me of my time as an apprentice butcher at Wright's, many years ago.
With Scott closing down, where is an expatriate Yorkie like me going to find a decent pork pie?

Tony Walker

the butler, cowichan Bay says...
5:51pm Sat 19 Jul 08

Such a shame, their pork pies were to die for,
Their merchandise always fresh and inviting.
York council don't seem to have much imagination when it comes down to assisting with merchants problems, such as the movement of goods..

petethefeet, York says...
6:35pm Sat 19 Jul 08

Every time a shop like this goes a little bit of York dies.

Right, now that effing council. It's a question of priorities. If you can convince your doctor that legs a bit "iffy", and the older you are the easier it gets, then the council issues you with one of these blue thingy-me-jigs and it's a license to abandon your wheels almost anywhere. But when it comes to getting deliveries into shops, or tradesmen needing to get their gear in, then it's like trying to break in to Colditz. Ask your councillor about the councils priorities on access? Right at the top are the disabled, then buses, then bikes and then, way down, are motor vehicles. OK, on the face of it, it's ok. But when that motor vehicle is essential to service the building and goods that the the geriatric swarms come to see (they don't buy them. They just gork at them, poke at them and pester the shopkeepers), they set their eagle-eyed muppets with yellow bands around their hats on them.

When will the council stop being so arrogant and listen to people? People who actually do the work that makes the city work!

imaginemysurprise, York says...
8:17pm Sat 19 Jul 08

Scott's of York are food heroes - they must not be allowed to die. Name the guilty restauranteurs who didn't pay and we'll boycott them! Meanwhile a friendly foodie type should bail out this wonderful business. How about a campaign from the York Press and everyone who cares buy a pie next week?

bob the builder, York says...
1:11pm Sun 20 Jul 08

... so where will the local elderly etc shop from where they can carry hthings home? More business for overpriced and overated M&S. We should all remember how our council turned the city centre into a tourist trap of coffee shops and restaurants next time we have a vote or will the LibDems manage to change that too?

TooRad, York says...
5:48pm Sun 20 Jul 08

petethefeet said:
"Every time a shop like this goes a little bit of York dies."

I couldn't agree more. This is very sad news.

TooRad, York says...
5:53pm Sun 20 Jul 08

StrongBeau wrote:
The 'main' press page says there are 8 comments but when you look there's only 1......has freedom of speech gone again I wonder??
Don't be paranoid, it's just dodgy coding. Some missing or extra underscores at the end of the URL

Expat, Toronto. Canada says...
11:58pm Sun 20 Jul 08

One of my first stops when in York,Pork pies and roasted belly pork where will I go now?.

bri, york says...
12:20pm Mon 21 Jul 08

This shop sold top quality local and home made produce,if the main reason to close was due to other businesses going bust,everyone concerned should pull out all the stops to find a buyer to reopen this shop,this type of shop is what makes york special,if we keep allowing more national big modern retailers to build in the centre ,the small specialist shops like this will be pushed out making york just like any other city,the national companies should be steered to the out of town shopping centres,lets be honest their shareholders dont give a dam about York as long as they get their profits,the local traders need all the support the council and others can give to keep York unique,as you wont find tourists flocking here to take pictures of M&S .

Bemused, York says...
3:23pm Mon 21 Jul 08

But manager William Anderson said a combination of City of York Council’s strict regulations on vehicle access to the city centre and the fact that the business was owed “substantial sums” of money by restaurants and other catering firms had forced the closure decision.

A sad loss for York. Name and shame the debtors before they pull anyone else down, the Lib Dem council we will deal with at the next local government election.

Mean Mr Mustard, York says...
7:34pm Mon 21 Jul 08

One more individual, privately-owned, "traditional", high quality shop disappears from the York City Theme Park that the council are intent on creating. Ah well, there'll be room for another cafe/Starbucks now.

Good on Scott's for closing now "so we can pay our suppliers, pay the staff’s wages and redundancy, and not be in any debt." Pity their customers didn't think like that. I bet none of the Del-Boys who left Scott's in the lurch hadn't been in the city for 13 years, let alone 130... a pity that it had to happen, and a sad loss.

DYLANESQ, MONTPELIER, VT, USA says...
8:15pm Mon 21 Jul 08

This is an outrage. Shops like Scott's are as important to the heritage of York as castles and everything else.Giving out excessive credit does not help maintain our heritage either.

For those mourning the passing of an amazing pork pie there is hope in sight..in Kirkbymoorside..at my second cousin Richard Waind's shop next to the White Horse. I think he makes them for Saturdays so better book ahead !!

DYLANESQ, MONTPELIER, VT, USA says...
8:18pm Mon 21 Jul 08

This is an outrage. Shops like Scott's are as important to the heritage of York as castles and everything else.Giving out excessive credit does not help maintain our heritage either.

For those mourning the passing of an amazing pork pie there is hope in sight..in Kirkbymoorside..at my second cousin Richard Waind's shop next to the White Horse. I think he makes them for Saturdays so better book ahead !!

DYLANESQ, MONTPELIER, VT, USA says...
8:19pm Mon 21 Jul 08

This is an outrage. Shops like Scott's are as important to the heritage of York as castles and everything else.Giving out excessive credit does not help maintain our heritage either.

For those mourning the passing of an amazing pork pie there is hope in sight..in Kirkbymoorside..at my second cousin Richard Waind's shop next to the White Horse. I think he makes them for Saturdays so better book ahead !!

Bridie92, Haxby says...
10:01pm Mon 21 Jul 08

This is very sad news for York, it's a shame the debtors couldn't be named and shamed into paying!It almost make you want to use the "F" word! (hint!)

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