£22.7m Park and Ride scheme at Poppleton Road, York, finally complete

£22.7m Park and Ride scheme finally complete

Work on the new park and ride Commission Air project has come to an end, hopefully ending congestion in the city.

Dave Merrett, Cabinet Member for Transport, Planning and Sustainability, with Balfour Beattie’s Eddie Tribe

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YORK'S newest Park and Ride scheme is finally complete, more than a year after building work began.

City of York Council and contractors Balfour Beatty have announced roadworks on the outer ring road and A59 are officially complete, meaning the £22.7 million scheme is now finished.

Balfour Beattie's Eddie Tribe said it was with great pleasure they handed over the Poppleton and extended Askham Bar park and ride sites after 15 months of work, while the council's head of transport Tony Clarke has thanked people living nearby for their patience through the disruption.

He said: "We’d like to thank those living and working nearby for their patience throughout the period of the works, which are now complete. This was a hugely important scheme: the route is used by over 40,000 vehicles every day, making this one of the busiest junctions in York. The project will help to minimise congestion in the city and provides a much improved and safer access to local businesses on Northfield Lane.”

The Park and Ride project also saw a larger site opened at Askham Bar, and improvements to the A59 and A1237 roundabout.

The council has said the improved roundabout and new traffic signals at Northfield Lane, A59 and Station Road have already eased congestion and improved safety in the area.

Cabinet member for transports Cllr David Levene said: "The £22.7m project represents one of the largest single investments in York’s transport infrastructure since the northern ring road was built in the 80s. This has been our stated priority for the last three years and builds on our existing portfolio of Park&Rides sites. This is critical for York’s future economic prosperity and environmental wellbeing and we are delighted to be delivering this major improvement."

The Poppleton Road park and ride site has new electric buses and First Buses's Will Pearson said the end of the roadworks was great news for their customers.

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11:43am Sat 30 Aug 14

Jack Ham says...

When claiming credit for a £22 million park and ride perhaps David Levene could also tell us how much it will cost every York household in debt repayments and for how many years?

It's all well and good talking about expensive projects but Labour never seem to realise the magic money tree is a fairy tale and we, the tax payers, have to pick their bill at the end of the day.
When claiming credit for a £22 million park and ride perhaps David Levene could also tell us how much it will cost every York household in debt repayments and for how many years? It's all well and good talking about expensive projects but Labour never seem to realise the magic money tree is a fairy tale and we, the tax payers, have to pick their bill at the end of the day. Jack Ham
  • Score: -56

12:36pm Sat 30 Aug 14

uriahh says...

Eased traffic congestion into York? Possibly, but lets wait for the post-holiday period normal traffic and what about congestion back up the A59 towards Harrogate once the P&R takes 25% of the traffic coming from that direction as forecast by YCC?

Have you noticed, also, that the lane widths into and around the roundabout are too narrow - they should be widened significantly on all the bends. Lorries inside or outside of you cannot keep in lane unless they're very careful and go around at a snail's pace. An accident waiting to happen!

As to the time taken and cost, both are totally way over the top! What has been provided should have been done far more cheaply and far more quickly, given proper and adequate management, productivity, progressing and planning and without the labour and equipment standing time as witnessed continuously!
Eased traffic congestion into York? Possibly, but lets wait for the post-holiday period normal traffic and what about congestion back up the A59 towards Harrogate once the P&R takes 25% of the traffic coming from that direction as forecast by YCC? Have you noticed, also, that the lane widths into and around the roundabout are too narrow - they should be widened significantly on all the bends. Lorries inside or outside of you cannot keep in lane unless they're very careful and go around at a snail's pace. An accident waiting to happen! As to the time taken and cost, both are totally way over the top! What has been provided should have been done far more cheaply and far more quickly, given proper and adequate management, productivity, progressing and planning and without the labour and equipment standing time as witnessed continuously! uriahh
  • Score: 21

12:43pm Sat 30 Aug 14

pedalling paul says...

I can't wait to try out the new cycle underpass..........! Fantastic.

And how else might experts commentators on this thread tackle congestion?
Bigger roads only encourage more car journeys, don't they. Basically a road to nowhere, long term.
I can't wait to try out the new cycle underpass..........! Fantastic. And how else might experts commentators on this thread tackle congestion? Bigger roads only encourage more car journeys, don't they. Basically a road to nowhere, long term. pedalling paul
  • Score: 30

12:44pm Sat 30 Aug 14

pedalling paul says...

Oh and by the way, it was all funded with a mix of Whitehall grants. What will the cost be to individual York resident? Pennies!
Oh and by the way, it was all funded with a mix of Whitehall grants. What will the cost be to individual York resident? Pennies! pedalling paul
  • Score: 70

12:54pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Jack Ham says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Oh and by the way, it was all funded with a mix of Whitehall grants. What will the cost be to individual York resident? Pennies!
Cool. So the magic money tree has been planted in Whitehall has it now?

Personally I'd like to see confirmation from Alexander and Levene about how much this has cost CYC. As much as you might kid yourself, your not actually a member of the council.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh and by the way, it was all funded with a mix of Whitehall grants. What will the cost be to individual York resident? Pennies![/p][/quote]Cool. So the magic money tree has been planted in Whitehall has it now? Personally I'd like to see confirmation from Alexander and Levene about how much this has cost CYC. As much as you might kid yourself, your not actually a member of the council. Jack Ham
  • Score: -33

1:19pm Sat 30 Aug 14

nottoooldtocare says...

Jack Ham wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Oh and by the way, it was all funded with a mix of Whitehall grants. What will the cost be to individual York resident? Pennies!
Cool. So the magic money tree has been planted in Whitehall has it now?

Personally I'd like to see confirmation from Alexander and Levene about how much this has cost CYC. As much as you might kid yourself, your not actually a member of the council.
We know he isn't a member of the council, thankfully, there are enough numpties on there already. Given his juvenile and provocative comment at 12.43, it would suggest we may need to make "allowances" for PP as he may have long term neurological health issues. Having said that, given he claims to know so much about the financial goings on, perhaps he could enlighten the readers as to what the full cost to COYC is and how they intend to pay this back. It would appear Kim Jong Alexander can't mange his own personal finances, so he will be clueless on things like this. (Note to Jimmy: try this at home and work. Money in minus money out equals money left. Trying to spend more money than you get in results in debt, ask Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling). Simples!
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh and by the way, it was all funded with a mix of Whitehall grants. What will the cost be to individual York resident? Pennies![/p][/quote]Cool. So the magic money tree has been planted in Whitehall has it now? Personally I'd like to see confirmation from Alexander and Levene about how much this has cost CYC. As much as you might kid yourself, your not actually a member of the council.[/p][/quote]We know he isn't a member of the council, thankfully, there are enough numpties on there already. Given his juvenile and provocative comment at 12.43, it would suggest we may need to make "allowances" for PP as he may have long term neurological health issues. Having said that, given he claims to know so much about the financial goings on, perhaps he could enlighten the readers as to what the full cost to COYC is and how they intend to pay this back. It would appear Kim Jong Alexander can't mange his own personal finances, so he will be clueless on things like this. (Note to Jimmy: try this at home and work. Money in minus money out equals money left. Trying to spend more money than you get in results in debt, ask Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling). Simples! nottoooldtocare
  • Score: -48

1:27pm Sat 30 Aug 14

uriahh says...

pedalling paul wrote:
I can't wait to try out the new cycle underpass..........! Fantastic.

And how else might experts commentators on this thread tackle congestion?
Bigger roads only encourage more car journeys, don't they. Basically a road to nowhere, long term.
Typically you're confusing and mixing 2 considerations: journeys and congestion within the roads inside the Ring Road leading into and out of York and journeys and congestion on the roads outside the Ring Road and around it! P&R addresses the first problem positively but as located here it impacts negatively on the latter. The P&R should have been way to the West on the A59 beyond the railway to separate it from the Ring Road and Station Road/A59 area traffic. There are other P&R's which can accommodate all traffic into and out of York other than that traffic using the Harrogate/York A59. In addition, for the same reason, the Rawcliffe P&R should never have been located on the roundabout but back up the A19 away from the Ring Road!

As to your cycle fetish and fixation. Try putting a trip meter on the cycle under-pass, on the similar structure at the Rawcliffe roundabout and on the new strip of ultra expensive cycle path beyond, I think, the Haxby turn off. Cyclists are conspicuous only by their absence. Building new cycle paths and under- passes in such areas will never generate any significant uptake of cycling and neither can they ever be cost effective.

Note also the ongoing under-usage of P&R buses even now and during peak hour traffic periods!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: I can't wait to try out the new cycle underpass..........! Fantastic. And how else might experts commentators on this thread tackle congestion? Bigger roads only encourage more car journeys, don't they. Basically a road to nowhere, long term.[/p][/quote]Typically you're confusing and mixing 2 considerations: journeys and congestion within the roads inside the Ring Road leading into and out of York and journeys and congestion on the roads outside the Ring Road and around it! P&R addresses the first problem positively but as located here it impacts negatively on the latter. The P&R should have been way to the West on the A59 beyond the railway to separate it from the Ring Road and Station Road/A59 area traffic. There are other P&R's which can accommodate all traffic into and out of York other than that traffic using the Harrogate/York A59. In addition, for the same reason, the Rawcliffe P&R should never have been located on the roundabout but back up the A19 away from the Ring Road! As to your cycle fetish and fixation. Try putting a trip meter on the cycle under-pass, on the similar structure at the Rawcliffe roundabout and on the new strip of ultra expensive cycle path beyond, I think, the Haxby turn off. Cyclists are conspicuous only by their absence. Building new cycle paths and under- passes in such areas will never generate any significant uptake of cycling and neither can they ever be cost effective. Note also the ongoing under-usage of P&R buses even now and during peak hour traffic periods! uriahh
  • Score: -42

2:04pm Sat 30 Aug 14

The OX says...

pedalling paul wrote:
I can't wait to try out the new cycle underpass..........! Fantastic.

And how else might experts commentators on this thread tackle congestion?
Bigger roads only encourage more car journeys, don't they. Basically a road to nowhere, long term.
Its like the underpass to nowhere, or the cycle path to nowhere total waste of our cash, it may have come from the Government, but its still going to cost us, at the end of the day,
Where will you be going using the underpass to nowhere then PP ??
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: I can't wait to try out the new cycle underpass..........! Fantastic. And how else might experts commentators on this thread tackle congestion? Bigger roads only encourage more car journeys, don't they. Basically a road to nowhere, long term.[/p][/quote]Its like the underpass to nowhere, or the cycle path to nowhere total waste of our cash, it may have come from the Government, but its still going to cost us, at the end of the day, Where will you be going using the underpass to nowhere then PP ?? The OX
  • Score: -16

2:14pm Sat 30 Aug 14

bolero says...

Mr Pedalling Paul Hepworth I'm afraid has been affected by the wind blowing through his earholes over the years and this has obviously dislodged the brain cells. He cannot or does not want to accept that the money spent by either local or central government comes out of the taxpayers pocket. This individual is obsessed beyond belief with cycling; which everyone is not capable of; and traffic congestion which hardly exists when compared with some towns and cities. And I will ask the all-knowing pdaller once again when the cyclists overbridge at Haxby is going to be constructed to then cause a further drain on taxpayers pockets in addition to what the virtually unused cycle track is already costing us. Oh, and stop medalling with the scores on these postings and grow up.
Mr Pedalling Paul Hepworth I'm afraid has been affected by the wind blowing through his earholes over the years and this has obviously dislodged the brain cells. He cannot or does not want to accept that the money spent by either local or central government comes out of the taxpayers pocket. This individual is obsessed beyond belief with cycling; which everyone is not capable of; and traffic congestion which hardly exists when compared with some towns and cities. And I will ask the all-knowing pdaller once again when the cyclists overbridge at Haxby is going to be constructed to then cause a further drain on taxpayers pockets in addition to what the virtually unused cycle track is already costing us. Oh, and stop medalling with the scores on these postings and grow up. bolero
  • Score: -65

3:06pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Monks Boss says...

I think you should all just get on with it its built so there's nowt we can do about it now is there.
I think you should all just get on with it its built so there's nowt we can do about it now is there. Monks Boss
  • Score: -105

4:33pm Sat 30 Aug 14

bloodaxe says...

Wasn't this paid for from central funding ? I suppose that any spending on anything other than the private motorist is going to incense the neoliberal teaparty mob.
Wasn't this paid for from central funding ? I suppose that any spending on anything other than the private motorist is going to incense the neoliberal teaparty mob. bloodaxe
  • Score: -164

5:12pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Worker67 says...

Well as a LOSING Business owner in the area, Its a complete and utter waste of time and Tax payers money ,as is the rest of the Car park we call the 1237!! It will not change .the cambers on the roundabout are too steep and as a previous comment said,,the lanes are Narrow and confusing.. There is now a cycle path (or is it as there is no markings at all or a sign!!!) The whole thing will come crashing down when the Mc Donalds opens in spring 15... on the wills and ellis site.Then what... Lets Build a Flyover.... Rant Over ...Ish
Well as a LOSING Business owner in the area, Its a complete and utter waste of time and Tax payers money ,as is the rest of the Car park we call the 1237!! It will not change .the cambers on the roundabout are too steep and as a previous comment said,,the lanes are Narrow and confusing.. There is now a cycle path (or is it as there is no markings at all or a sign!!!) The whole thing will come crashing down when the Mc Donalds opens in spring 15... on the wills and ellis site.Then what... Lets Build a Flyover.... Rant Over ...Ish Worker67
  • Score: -144

5:20pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Ichabod76 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
I can't wait to try out the new cycle underpass..........! Fantastic.

And how else might experts commentators on this thread tackle congestion?
Bigger roads only encourage more car journeys, don't they. Basically a road to nowhere, long term.
Haddie Nuff says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Oh dear PH, you seem to have stirred up a hornet's nest.........but identity confusion still seems to reign in the mind of some contributors.
Seems as if CTC are also confused as their annual report quite clearly states "Paul Hepworth has maintained a watching brief on local
media, and responded on our behalf to cycling related issues that have
arisen being a prolific correspondent in the “Letters” page and as
“Pedalling Paul” on website of the York Press."

are you going to comment on this Mr Hepworth ?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: I can't wait to try out the new cycle underpass..........! Fantastic. And how else might experts commentators on this thread tackle congestion? Bigger roads only encourage more car journeys, don't they. Basically a road to nowhere, long term.[/p][/quote]Haddie Nuff says... pedalling paul wrote: Oh dear PH, you seem to have stirred up a hornet's nest.........but identity confusion still seems to reign in the mind of some contributors. Seems as if CTC are also confused as their annual report quite clearly states "Paul Hepworth has maintained a watching brief on local media, and responded on our behalf to cycling related issues that have arisen being a prolific correspondent in the “Letters” page and as “Pedalling Paul” on website of the York Press." are you going to comment on this Mr Hepworth ? Ichabod76
  • Score: -73

5:21pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Ichabod76 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
I can't wait to try out the new cycle underpass..........! Fantastic.

And how else might experts commentators on this thread tackle congestion?
Bigger roads only encourage more car journeys, don't they. Basically a road to nowhere, long term.
Haddie Nuff says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Oh dear PH, you seem to have stirred up a hornet's nest.........but identity confusion still seems to reign in the mind of some contributors.
Seems as if CTC are also confused as their annual report quite clearly states "Paul Hepworth has maintained a watching brief on local
media, and responded on our behalf to cycling related issues that have
arisen being a prolific correspondent in the “Letters” page and as
“Pedalling Paul” on website of the York Press."

are you going to comment on this Mr Hepworth ?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: I can't wait to try out the new cycle underpass..........! Fantastic. And how else might experts commentators on this thread tackle congestion? Bigger roads only encourage more car journeys, don't they. Basically a road to nowhere, long term.[/p][/quote]Haddie Nuff says... pedalling paul wrote: Oh dear PH, you seem to have stirred up a hornet's nest.........but identity confusion still seems to reign in the mind of some contributors. Seems as if CTC are also confused as their annual report quite clearly states "Paul Hepworth has maintained a watching brief on local media, and responded on our behalf to cycling related issues that have arisen being a prolific correspondent in the “Letters” page and as “Pedalling Paul” on website of the York Press." are you going to comment on this Mr Hepworth ? Ichabod76
  • Score: 4

6:07pm Sat 30 Aug 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Forget about the peddlin' prat, he's just here to wind you up.

I want to know what the penalties were for the repeated times that the contractor delayed the completion date. We had postponement after postponement. The orginal date for completion was months ago. The contractor should have suffered huge penalties for all the delays.

Afterall, all the motorists and local residents have had to endure long delays. many of these were pointless - they closed lanes at all times of the day when they weren't necessary. I'm not encroaching on H & S for the workers here, it was the unnecessary closure of lanes leading up to the roundabout. If the contractor had opened two lanes instead of one, traffic could have passed so much quicker leading to a reduction of the massive queues.

I'd bet that if the contrctor paid all the businesses for the extra costs borne for the delays they would have had it finished on time!
Forget about the peddlin' prat, he's just here to wind you up. I want to know what the penalties were for the repeated times that the contractor delayed the completion date. We had postponement after postponement. The orginal date for completion was months ago. The contractor should have suffered huge penalties for all the delays. Afterall, all the motorists and local residents have had to endure long delays. many of these were pointless - they closed lanes at all times of the day when they weren't necessary. I'm not encroaching on H & S for the workers here, it was the unnecessary closure of lanes leading up to the roundabout. If the contractor had opened two lanes instead of one, traffic could have passed so much quicker leading to a reduction of the massive queues. I'd bet that if the contrctor paid all the businesses for the extra costs borne for the delays they would have had it finished on time! AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -38

7:00pm Sat 30 Aug 14

york_chap says...

I'm all for being inclusive, but wow; 33 disabled spaces in that picture and all of them sat empty. Overkill much?
I'm all for being inclusive, but wow; 33 disabled spaces in that picture and all of them sat empty. Overkill much? york_chap
  • Score: -27

8:42pm Sat 30 Aug 14

nowthen says...

If Dave Merrett was a MAN of his word he'd resign.
If Dave Merrett was a MAN of his word he'd resign. nowthen
  • Score: -8

8:45pm Sat 30 Aug 14

aitch11 says...

Poppleton Road!!! ffs.Where do they get these people.
Poppleton Road!!! ffs.Where do they get these people. aitch11
  • Score: -13

8:46pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Martin true Viking says...

Shame no one mentioned to the council there was a railway station 200 yards from the new park and ride and oo one at during houses too then we wouldn't have to spend money on new electric buses that use magic electric that doesn't come from burning fossil fuels. PP I presume doesn't drink smoke or use a car does he have any idea where the tax revenue would come from if we were all like him. I'd live to see his face when he gets his tax disc for his bike which would cost about £100000 per year to cover the list revenue.

with trains that go into the city centre and oo also
Shame no one mentioned to the council there was a railway station 200 yards from the new park and ride and oo one at during houses too then we wouldn't have to spend money on new electric buses that use magic electric that doesn't come from burning fossil fuels. PP I presume doesn't drink smoke or use a car does he have any idea where the tax revenue would come from if we were all like him. I'd live to see his face when he gets his tax disc for his bike which would cost about £100000 per year to cover the list revenue. with trains that go into the city centre and oo also Martin true Viking
  • Score: 1

11:45pm Sat 30 Aug 14

purpletimbo says...

Magic electric, interesting, anyone else noticed the Coolant and Diesel filler caps clearly visible and marked under the drivers window on them?
Magic electric, interesting, anyone else noticed the Coolant and Diesel filler caps clearly visible and marked under the drivers window on them? purpletimbo
  • Score: 5

7:39am Sun 31 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
I can't wait to try out the new cycle underpass..........! Fantastic.

And how else might experts commentators on this thread tackle congestion?
Bigger roads only encourage more car journeys, don't they. Basically a road to nowhere, long term.
I can't wait to see the press head lines when you have tried out the new cycle under pass...........'said prominent anti-car radical Paul Hepworth aka pedalling paul, I'm over the moon, I was so excited that I wet my pants, can't wait to organise trips under it!!!......
Bigger roads increase traffic flow, thereby easing congestion, it's like water Paul, it flows quicker through a large bore pipe!! talking of which does the term 'large bore' ring any bells with you.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: I can't wait to try out the new cycle underpass..........! Fantastic. And how else might experts commentators on this thread tackle congestion? Bigger roads only encourage more car journeys, don't they. Basically a road to nowhere, long term.[/p][/quote]I can't wait to see the press head lines when you have tried out the new cycle under pass...........'said prominent anti-car radical Paul Hepworth aka pedalling paul, I'm over the moon, I was so excited that I wet my pants, can't wait to organise trips under it!!!...... Bigger roads increase traffic flow, thereby easing congestion, it's like water Paul, it flows quicker through a large bore pipe!! talking of which does the term 'large bore' ring any bells with you. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -45

8:20am Sun 31 Aug 14

mahlerfan says...

The original estimate for this underpass , quoted at the outset by council engineers was £650k . I would imagine the final figure ,after substantial delays & flooding problems , is far higher . This has come from taxpayers money including York taxpayers . At the moment it is totally under utilised , most cyclists either stay on the road or use Millfield Lane a few hundred yards away . The need for this underpass was queried at the original Poppleton public meeting & the engineers said it was not a priority spend but would be done if the money was available . Another unnecessary cycling project ? Is it supposed to link up to the other costly uncompleted , unused cycle route from Knapton to Rufforth ? That already has an unused underpass . That's three within a mile !
The original estimate for this underpass , quoted at the outset by council engineers was £650k . I would imagine the final figure ,after substantial delays & flooding problems , is far higher . This has come from taxpayers money including York taxpayers . At the moment it is totally under utilised , most cyclists either stay on the road or use Millfield Lane a few hundred yards away . The need for this underpass was queried at the original Poppleton public meeting & the engineers said it was not a priority spend but would be done if the money was available . Another unnecessary cycling project ? Is it supposed to link up to the other costly uncompleted , unused cycle route from Knapton to Rufforth ? That already has an unused underpass . That's three within a mile ! mahlerfan
  • Score: 9

10:35am Sun 31 Aug 14

ouseswimmer says...

I just do not understand why it took so long to build! A car park and a wider bit of road? The cost at about £500k per week must have been spent on the equipment which spent so much time laying idle. If Teso can do 24/7 why can't infrastructure projetcs?
I just do not understand why it took so long to build! A car park and a wider bit of road? The cost at about £500k per week must have been spent on the equipment which spent so much time laying idle. If Teso can do 24/7 why can't infrastructure projetcs? ouseswimmer
  • Score: 5

12:18pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Dave Ruddock says...

Can SOMEONE explain to the wider world what a "CABINET MINISTER" is in the eyes of the COUNCIL . Also i think a lot of people look at there new Electric Buses and the No1 Bus and wounder Why ? One is Chucking out Diesel Fumes and sounds like a heavy smoker. Think we have got to the situation 2 Park and Rides to Many.
Can SOMEONE explain to the wider world what a "CABINET MINISTER" is in the eyes of the COUNCIL . Also i think a lot of people look at there new Electric Buses and the No1 Bus and wounder Why ? One is Chucking out Diesel Fumes and sounds like a heavy smoker. Think we have got to the situation 2 Park and Rides to Many. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 0

3:28pm Sun 31 Aug 14

York2000 says...

More huffing and puffing from the York Press Comments Threads Tea Party.

It's like 1978 all over again eh right wingers? Run for your lives!
More huffing and puffing from the York Press Comments Threads Tea Party. It's like 1978 all over again eh right wingers? Run for your lives! York2000
  • Score: 35

5:36pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Fanny Free House says...

York2000 wrote:
More huffing and puffing from the York Press Comments Threads Tea Party.

It's like 1978 all over again eh right wingers? Run for your lives!
You sound awfully frustrated, calm down, take a deep breath and accept that there are more opinions than just that of your beloved Labour.

Demonstrating your limited capacity by describing all those who don't share your views as wingers is indicative of a narrow mind.

Run for the hills! (Hahaaahaa).
[quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: More huffing and puffing from the York Press Comments Threads Tea Party. It's like 1978 all over again eh right wingers? Run for your lives![/p][/quote]You sound awfully frustrated, calm down, take a deep breath and accept that there are more opinions than just that of your beloved Labour. Demonstrating your limited capacity by describing all those who don't share your views as wingers is indicative of a narrow mind. Run for the hills! (Hahaaahaa). Fanny Free House
  • Score: -39

7:35pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Jack Ham says...

York2000 wrote:
More huffing and puffing from the York Press Comments Threads Tea Party.

It's like 1978 all over again eh right wingers? Run for your lives!
Oh dear. You're not having a good week are you. If I were you I would start thinking about the future and cosy up to the dream team of Linsey Cunningham & Daf Williams. They're nicely positioned now to be the new face of York Labour after May though I'm sure you'll fit into their brave new world.
[quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: More huffing and puffing from the York Press Comments Threads Tea Party. It's like 1978 all over again eh right wingers? Run for your lives![/p][/quote]Oh dear. You're not having a good week are you. If I were you I would start thinking about the future and cosy up to the dream team of Linsey Cunningham & Daf Williams. They're nicely positioned now to be the new face of York Labour after May though I'm sure you'll fit into their brave new world. Jack Ham
  • Score: -40

8:21pm Sun 31 Aug 14

old_geezer says...

purpletimbo wrote:
Magic electric, interesting, anyone else noticed the Coolant and Diesel filler caps clearly visible and marked under the drivers window on them?
"They are not wholly emission free; they have auxiliary power from a small diesel generator for heating the interior. "


That wasn't hard to find, such are the wonders of the internet.
[quote][p][bold]purpletimbo[/bold] wrote: Magic electric, interesting, anyone else noticed the Coolant and Diesel filler caps clearly visible and marked under the drivers window on them?[/p][/quote]"They are not wholly emission free; they have auxiliary power from a small diesel generator for heating the interior. " That wasn't hard to find, such are the wonders of the internet. old_geezer
  • Score: 1

9:16pm Sun 31 Aug 14

strangebuttrue? says...

So daily we now have an additional 144, almost empty, bus journeys up and down Boroughbridge Road. Each inward journey triggers 2 bus gates stopping other traffic 144 times a day. Each vehicle stopped then consuming 400% more fuel than it would otherwise have done whilst it gets back up to speed. We now have an additional 3 sets of traffic lights burning away all day and night. On top of this we have narrowed lanes on Boroughbridge Road causing traffic to stop most times someone wants to turn right. Effect - same as above - more pollution.

Now Mr Levene how is this “ critical for York’s future economic prosperity and environmental wellbeing” For everyone who needs or chooses to drive a car down Boroughbridge Road it is not an improvement quite the reverse, which I am sure you are aware of. I would not think the residents, who now have to put up with the additional busses which are of no use to them, or the additional pollution caused by yet more stop start motoring would consider their lot to have been much improved either. Also before this scheme was put in place there was not a problem with Boroughbridge Road despite council meddling at the end of Beckfield Lane and Princess Drive where unnecessary congestion creating traffic lights were installed.
So daily we now have an additional 144, almost empty, bus journeys up and down Boroughbridge Road. Each inward journey triggers 2 bus gates stopping other traffic 144 times a day. Each vehicle stopped then consuming 400% more fuel than it would otherwise have done whilst it gets back up to speed. We now have an additional 3 sets of traffic lights burning away all day and night. On top of this we have narrowed lanes on Boroughbridge Road causing traffic to stop most times someone wants to turn right. Effect - same as above - more pollution. Now Mr Levene how is this “ critical for York’s future economic prosperity and environmental wellbeing” For everyone who needs or chooses to drive a car down Boroughbridge Road it is not an improvement quite the reverse, which I am sure you are aware of. I would not think the residents, who now have to put up with the additional busses which are of no use to them, or the additional pollution caused by yet more stop start motoring would consider their lot to have been much improved either. Also before this scheme was put in place there was not a problem with Boroughbridge Road despite council meddling at the end of Beckfield Lane and Princess Drive where unnecessary congestion creating traffic lights were installed. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -66

10:27pm Sun 31 Aug 14

gmsgop says...

Jack Ham wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Oh and by the way, it was all funded with a mix of Whitehall grants. What will the cost be to individual York resident? Pennies!
Cool. So the magic money tree has been planted in Whitehall has it now?

Personally I'd like to see confirmation from Alexander and Levene about how much this has cost CYC. As much as you might kid yourself, your not actually a member of the council.
Perhaps I might add some facts from my inspection of the annual accounts? The economic infrastructure fund outturn of the Park n ride - here we go
Total 22,114,000
GOVT GRANT ( borrowing) 16,645,000
s106 400,000
CYC (other-what's that?) 1,819,000
CYC CAPITAL (borrowing) 3,167,000
CYC CAPITAL (borrowing). 83,000
So I am still trying to see where the CYC £1.8 million is coming from - but as we can all see it most certainly is not all funded by 'central government grants' ( read borrowed money that we all pay interest on). No we taxpayers of York are directly paying for £5 million give or take.
Not of course wanting a few facts in the way of PP fantasy world.

Gwen Swinburn
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh and by the way, it was all funded with a mix of Whitehall grants. What will the cost be to individual York resident? Pennies![/p][/quote]Cool. So the magic money tree has been planted in Whitehall has it now? Personally I'd like to see confirmation from Alexander and Levene about how much this has cost CYC. As much as you might kid yourself, your not actually a member of the council.[/p][/quote]Perhaps I might add some facts from my inspection of the annual accounts? The economic infrastructure fund outturn of the Park n ride - here we go Total 22,114,000 GOVT GRANT ( borrowing) 16,645,000 s106 400,000 CYC (other-what's that?) 1,819,000 CYC CAPITAL (borrowing) 3,167,000 CYC CAPITAL (borrowing). 83,000 So I am still trying to see where the CYC £1.8 million is coming from - but as we can all see it most certainly is not all funded by 'central government grants' ( read borrowed money that we all pay interest on). No we taxpayers of York are directly paying for £5 million give or take. Not of course wanting a few facts in the way of PP fantasy world. Gwen Swinburn gmsgop
  • Score: -57

10:37pm Sun 31 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

gmsgop wrote:
Jack Ham wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Oh and by the way, it was all funded with a mix of Whitehall grants. What will the cost be to individual York resident? Pennies!
Cool. So the magic money tree has been planted in Whitehall has it now?

Personally I'd like to see confirmation from Alexander and Levene about how much this has cost CYC. As much as you might kid yourself, your not actually a member of the council.
Perhaps I might add some facts from my inspection of the annual accounts? The economic infrastructure fund outturn of the Park n ride - here we go
Total 22,114,000
GOVT GRANT ( borrowing) 16,645,000
s106 400,000
CYC (other-what's that?) 1,819,000
CYC CAPITAL (borrowing) 3,167,000
CYC CAPITAL (borrowing). 83,000
So I am still trying to see where the CYC £1.8 million is coming from - but as we can all see it most certainly is not all funded by 'central government grants' ( read borrowed money that we all pay interest on). No we taxpayers of York are directly paying for £5 million give or take.
Not of course wanting a few facts in the way of PP fantasy world.

Gwen Swinburn
Paul Hepworth aka pedalling paul telling porky pies, what ever next, he'll be telling us that the P&R will reduce congestion in the city!
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh and by the way, it was all funded with a mix of Whitehall grants. What will the cost be to individual York resident? Pennies![/p][/quote]Cool. So the magic money tree has been planted in Whitehall has it now? Personally I'd like to see confirmation from Alexander and Levene about how much this has cost CYC. As much as you might kid yourself, your not actually a member of the council.[/p][/quote]Perhaps I might add some facts from my inspection of the annual accounts? The economic infrastructure fund outturn of the Park n ride - here we go Total 22,114,000 GOVT GRANT ( borrowing) 16,645,000 s106 400,000 CYC (other-what's that?) 1,819,000 CYC CAPITAL (borrowing) 3,167,000 CYC CAPITAL (borrowing). 83,000 So I am still trying to see where the CYC £1.8 million is coming from - but as we can all see it most certainly is not all funded by 'central government grants' ( read borrowed money that we all pay interest on). No we taxpayers of York are directly paying for £5 million give or take. Not of course wanting a few facts in the way of PP fantasy world. Gwen Swinburn[/p][/quote]Paul Hepworth aka pedalling paul telling porky pies, what ever next, he'll be telling us that the P&R will reduce congestion in the city! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -27

11:57pm Sun 31 Aug 14

yorkguy says...

Is this for real!! this stupid council really think that 1 extended park and ride and 1 new site will end yorks traffic problems!!??

I work in road design and can tell you it won't I have done study after study on York and can tell you that the only solution is a full dual carriageway along the A1237 with flyover Junctions like the A64! straight away that would remove everyone that finds it quicker going through york than use the carpark A1237!

This would also remove traffic from water end which is used by many to avoid the A1237, I know many say you can't build your way out of congestion but what options have we got? population is rising and Yorks growing traffic growth will also increase Year on Year, park and rides along with a dualled A1237 and dualled A64 east of York to Malton with a new link road to replace north lane would help somewhat..........do nothing is not an answer!!

As for these 2 sites solving Yorks traffic problems well these lot are really living in a dream land
Is this for real!! this stupid council really think that 1 extended park and ride and 1 new site will end yorks traffic problems!!?? I work in road design and can tell you it won't I have done study after study on York and can tell you that the only solution is a full dual carriageway along the A1237 with flyover Junctions like the A64! straight away that would remove everyone that finds it quicker going through york than use the carpark A1237! This would also remove traffic from water end which is used by many to avoid the A1237, I know many say you can't build your way out of congestion but what options have we got? population is rising and Yorks growing traffic growth will also increase Year on Year, park and rides along with a dualled A1237 and dualled A64 east of York to Malton with a new link road to replace north lane would help somewhat..........do nothing is not an answer!! As for these 2 sites solving Yorks traffic problems well these lot are really living in a dream land yorkguy
  • Score: 4

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