Long awaited hotel strategy due within weeks

Building work on a new hotel in Walmgate

Building work on a new hotel in Walmgate

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A NEW strategy to control the number of new hotels opening in York is due to be published next month - three years after it was called for by hoteliers and councillors.

City of York Council has revealed a draft hotel strategy has been drawn up, with the final version to be published in September.

The report comes after council leader James Alexander first mooted the need for hotel development to be monitored in 2011, later indicating that a strategy would be in place by March this year.

Cllr Alexander said: "It think it is wrong that a city like York that relies so much on tourism has not had a strategy for the quality and number of hotel bed spaces in the city.

"It is something I have discussed with the York Hoteliers Association some time ago, and I am pleased a strategy is coming to fruition.

"It has taken longer than expected but I think it is right that time was taken to get it right, and a lot of work has gone into it."

Earlier this year hoteliers voiced their disappointment over the lack of strategy following the council’s decision to approve selling the Reynard’s Garage site in Piccadilly to one of four developers, which all included a hotel in their plans.

Speaking at the time Lionel Chatard, Middlethorpe Hall Hotel director and general manager and chairman of York Hoteliers Association, said: "We were promised a strategy two years ago, and it is upsetting that while it is being worked on, applications for new hotels keep being approved.

"Hoteliers are not worried about competing, but the situation is just too much and it needs to be controlled."

Calls for a strategy were first made in 2011 after a series of planning approvals for hotels in Layerthorpe, Paragon Street, St Maurice’s Road, one as part of the Terry’s site development as well as hotels in Toft Green, Walmgate, and a further hotel at Holgate Villas in Holgate.

Since then further planning permission was granted to transform the council's former offices in St Leonard's Place into a hotel, however developers this week revealed they had abandoned the plans in favour of luxury town houses and apartments.

Speaking about the time taken to put together the strategy, a spokesperson from the council's economic development team said: "The delays have been down largely to ensuring that we have something robust enough to provide us a basis on which to comment on and ultimately guide planning policy with regard to tourism accommodation, ensuring the study drew on sufficiently robust data to do so."

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10:21am Sat 23 Aug 14

Fanny Free House says...

This article will be monitored by the paranoid councils mark down elfs.

All comments that challenge the weak councils opinions will be marked down in the scores, it's all they have left.

Get stuck in, so much fun, so little effort.

GO, GO paranoid council elfs.
This article will be monitored by the paranoid councils mark down elfs. All comments that challenge the weak councils opinions will be marked down in the scores, it's all they have left. Get stuck in, so much fun, so little effort. GO, GO paranoid council elfs. Fanny Free House
  • Score: -28

10:24am Sat 23 Aug 14

Fanny Free House says...

Cllr Alexander said:
It has taken longer than expected but I think it is right that time was taken to get it right.

First time for everything, lets see what the outcome is, after all you have got nothing of value right so far.
Cllr Alexander said: It has taken longer than expected but I think it is right that time was taken to get it right. First time for everything, lets see what the outcome is, after all you have got nothing of value right so far. Fanny Free House
  • Score: -17

10:48am Sat 23 Aug 14

cogitationes meae says...

Better late than never?
Forgive my scepticism but given CYC's track record, I dearly hope that at least The York Hoteliers and Visit York have been regularly consulted throughout this process, and definitely prior to any advance publication or "leak"!

As mentioned, it was The York Hoteliers' who called for a strategy in the first place, and are on record over many years for voicing support for all 'wise' tourism - based developments in the city, i.e. the Barbican revamp (with or without an hotel alongside) and of course the much-needed 5 Star hotel, namely the Cedar Court Grand.

The Hoteliers, through the excellent chairmanship of Lionel Chatard until earlier this year, and the wise council of Jeremy Cassell, Grange Hotel owner, provide a wealth of experience and balance that includes that of other cities with existing strategies.

I look forward to reading the finalised report in September.
Better late than never? Forgive my scepticism but given CYC's track record, I dearly hope that at least The York Hoteliers and Visit York have been regularly consulted throughout this process, and definitely prior to any advance publication or "leak"! As mentioned, it was The York Hoteliers' who called for a strategy in the first place, and are on record over many years for voicing support for all 'wise' tourism - based developments in the city, i.e. the Barbican revamp (with or without an hotel alongside) and of course the much-needed 5 Star hotel, namely the Cedar Court Grand. The Hoteliers, through the excellent chairmanship of Lionel Chatard until earlier this year, and the wise council of Jeremy Cassell, Grange Hotel owner, provide a wealth of experience and balance that includes that of other cities with existing strategies. I look forward to reading the finalised report in September. cogitationes meae
  • Score: -30

10:54am Sat 23 Aug 14

Dave Ruddock says...

I see the reporter is/have started using way out words (Moot) instead of plain English (debate) I believe was the word or is it (discussed).
As for the story , again a Non Story until September. It also seems the City Planning section of the (Coun) sorry miss use of English. The elected bunch that are in premises on Station Rise, pull fingers out of orifices and earn their Ill gotten gains and give SOMETHING to the residents that elected them .....
I see the reporter is/have started using way out words (Moot) instead of plain English (debate) I believe was the word or is it (discussed). As for the story , again a Non Story until September. It also seems the City Planning section of the (Coun) sorry miss use of English. The elected bunch that are in premises on Station Rise, pull fingers out of orifices and earn their Ill gotten gains and give SOMETHING to the residents that elected them ..... Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -33

11:00am Sat 23 Aug 14

smudge2 says...

Every time you build a cheap budget hotel in York you attract more hen and stag does and the out of control drinking culture.The old hotel and guest house terms and conditions would not take group bookings and encouraged the drinking culture to frequent the traditional places like Blackpool.We have just retired after 20 years in the trade and had a policy of taking families and couples only and had very few problems but as you are now able to book online you have lost control as to who you take as in the older days if the telephone calls the started with "are you near all the pubs and clubs mate " they were declined with a "sorry we are already fully booked on that date.. "
Every time you build a cheap budget hotel in York you attract more hen and stag does and the out of control drinking culture.The old hotel and guest house terms and conditions would not take group bookings and encouraged the drinking culture to frequent the traditional places like Blackpool.We have just retired after 20 years in the trade and had a policy of taking families and couples only and had very few problems but as you are now able to book online you have lost control as to who you take as in the older days if the telephone calls the started with "are you near all the pubs and clubs mate " they were declined with a "sorry we are already fully booked on that date.. " smudge2
  • Score: 0

11:18am Sat 23 Aug 14

eeoodares says...

smudge2 wrote:
Every time you build a cheap budget hotel in York you attract more hen and stag does and the out of control drinking culture.The old hotel and guest house terms and conditions would not take group bookings and encouraged the drinking culture to frequent the traditional places like Blackpool.We have just retired after 20 years in the trade and had a policy of taking families and couples only and had very few problems but as you are now able to book online you have lost control as to who you take as in the older days if the telephone calls the started with "are you near all the pubs and clubs mate " they were declined with a "sorry we are already fully booked on that date.. "
Spot on, that is exactly where the problem lies.

If York continues to be a destination for Stag and Hen parties the night time economy will be damaged along with York's reputation.
[quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: Every time you build a cheap budget hotel in York you attract more hen and stag does and the out of control drinking culture.The old hotel and guest house terms and conditions would not take group bookings and encouraged the drinking culture to frequent the traditional places like Blackpool.We have just retired after 20 years in the trade and had a policy of taking families and couples only and had very few problems but as you are now able to book online you have lost control as to who you take as in the older days if the telephone calls the started with "are you near all the pubs and clubs mate " they were declined with a "sorry we are already fully booked on that date.. "[/p][/quote]Spot on, that is exactly where the problem lies. If York continues to be a destination for Stag and Hen parties the night time economy will be damaged along with York's reputation. eeoodares
  • Score: -10

11:23am Sat 23 Aug 14

CRWPROJ says...

Very few people seem to be aware of the current planning application by Punch Taverns to change the Certificate 18->Speakeasy->Stere
o->PinkPony->???(nev
er got a sign up)->Munroes to a pub/restaurant/hoste
l with 59 beds.
The application is 14_01817_FUL available on COYC planning portal. Search for 54 Gillygate.
Note. That is not a typo error. 59 beds (triple bunkbeds!!) on the two floors.
That should keep Gillygate buzzing 'till 4am (ish) at weekends...
Very few people seem to be aware of the current planning application by Punch Taverns to change the Certificate 18->Speakeasy->Stere o->PinkPony->???(nev er got a sign up)->Munroes to a pub/restaurant/hoste l with 59 beds. The application is 14_01817_FUL available on COYC planning portal. Search for 54 Gillygate. Note. That is not a typo error. 59 beds (triple bunkbeds!!) on the two floors. That should keep Gillygate buzzing 'till 4am (ish) at weekends... CRWPROJ
  • Score: -30

3:38pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Wolfofwhipmawhopmagate says...

Budget hotels?? Nothing budget about hotels in York! Trying to book a room for a friend and even a 3 star holiday inn want £175 for one room for one night!
Budget hotels?? Nothing budget about hotels in York! Trying to book a room for a friend and even a 3 star holiday inn want £175 for one room for one night! Wolfofwhipmawhopmagate
  • Score: 7

4:43pm Sat 23 Aug 14

pedalling paul says...

Some of the hotels which consistently get poor Trip Advisor reviews, need to be told to buck their ideas up, and stop giving York a bad name
Some of the hotels which consistently get poor Trip Advisor reviews, need to be told to buck their ideas up, and stop giving York a bad name pedalling paul
  • Score: -15

5:01pm Sat 23 Aug 14

smudge2 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Some of the hotels which consistently get poor Trip Advisor reviews, need to be told to buck their ideas up, and stop giving York a bad name
That a pretty tame comment from you Mr Hepworth...Can you enlarge a bit more on how you want them to buck their ideas up please ??
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Some of the hotels which consistently get poor Trip Advisor reviews, need to be told to buck their ideas up, and stop giving York a bad name[/p][/quote]That a pretty tame comment from you Mr Hepworth...Can you enlarge a bit more on how you want them to buck their ideas up please ?? smudge2
  • Score: 8

5:03pm Sat 23 Aug 14

smudge2 says...

Fanny Free House wrote:
This article will be monitored by the paranoid councils mark down elfs.

All comments that challenge the weak councils opinions will be marked down in the scores, it's all they have left.

Get stuck in, so much fun, so little effort.

GO, GO paranoid council elfs.
You are not wrong with the score riggers....The Press were supposed to sort this problem out but as usual have done nothing constructive.
[quote][p][bold]Fanny Free House[/bold] wrote: This article will be monitored by the paranoid councils mark down elfs. All comments that challenge the weak councils opinions will be marked down in the scores, it's all they have left. Get stuck in, so much fun, so little effort. GO, GO paranoid council elfs.[/p][/quote]You are not wrong with the score riggers....The Press were supposed to sort this problem out but as usual have done nothing constructive. smudge2
  • Score: -7

7:30pm Sat 23 Aug 14

cogitationes meae says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Some of the hotels which consistently get poor Trip Advisor reviews, need to be told to buck their ideas up, and stop giving York a bad name
What an immature and pathetic comment!
The same can be said of bankers insurers, garages, shops etc etc

Few professions are subjected to unjustified and unccontolled vitriol through a medium such as Trip Advisor as is the hospitality industry.

Customers vote with their feet and credit cards - and unsuccessful businesses go to the wall.
Market forces and customers are the driving forces.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Some of the hotels which consistently get poor Trip Advisor reviews, need to be told to buck their ideas up, and stop giving York a bad name[/p][/quote]What an immature and pathetic comment! The same can be said of bankers insurers, garages, shops etc etc Few professions are subjected to unjustified and unccontolled vitriol through a medium such as Trip Advisor as is the hospitality industry. Customers vote with their feet and credit cards - and unsuccessful businesses go to the wall. Market forces and customers are the driving forces. cogitationes meae
  • Score: 38

11:52am Sun 24 Aug 14

yorkandproud says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
I see the reporter is/have started using way out words (Moot) instead of plain English (debate) I believe was the word or is it (discussed).
As for the story , again a Non Story until September. It also seems the City Planning section of the (Coun) sorry miss use of English. The elected bunch that are in premises on Station Rise, pull fingers out of orifices and earn their Ill gotten gains and give SOMETHING to the residents that elected them .....
I have read your post three times Dave, but I still can't work out what you are on about.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: I see the reporter is/have started using way out words (Moot) instead of plain English (debate) I believe was the word or is it (discussed). As for the story , again a Non Story until September. It also seems the City Planning section of the (Coun) sorry miss use of English. The elected bunch that are in premises on Station Rise, pull fingers out of orifices and earn their Ill gotten gains and give SOMETHING to the residents that elected them .....[/p][/quote]I have read your post three times Dave, but I still can't work out what you are on about. yorkandproud
  • Score: 16

5:26pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Yorkkeiyyer says...

More strategies for consultation ---
Good work YCC..

Kersten England deserves more credit.

Would be interesting to know what the long term plan is for attracting manufacturing and tech business to the city. Is the science park full? Will it hold out for another 10 years? Is it enough? Where are we with the ring road upgrade?

If Aviva had to close what would the building be used for? A commuter apartment complex may bring a huge amount of money to the city with its station location..

Would we ever consider knocking down and relocating council houses from the centre also to attract more expensive property builders? It seems to be working for London..
More strategies for consultation --- Good work YCC.. Kersten England deserves more credit. Would be interesting to know what the long term plan is for attracting manufacturing and tech business to the city. Is the science park full? Will it hold out for another 10 years? Is it enough? Where are we with the ring road upgrade? If Aviva had to close what would the building be used for? A commuter apartment complex may bring a huge amount of money to the city with its station location.. Would we ever consider knocking down and relocating council houses from the centre also to attract more expensive property builders? It seems to be working for London.. Yorkkeiyyer
  • Score: 17

7:46pm Sun 24 Aug 14

York2000 says...

'Would we ever consider knocking down and relocating council houses from the centre also to attract more expensive property builders? It seems to be working for London..'

It's not really working for Londoners. You want York people pushed out of their own city on to the outskirts, then by all means follow the London way.
'Would we ever consider knocking down and relocating council houses from the centre also to attract more expensive property builders? It seems to be working for London..' It's not really working for Londoners. You want York people pushed out of their own city on to the outskirts, then by all means follow the London way. York2000
  • Score: 12

8:08pm Sun 24 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Some of the hotels which consistently get poor Trip Advisor reviews, need to be told to buck their ideas up, and stop giving York a bad name
Do you happen to know which hotels are giving york a bad name?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Some of the hotels which consistently get poor Trip Advisor reviews, need to be told to buck their ideas up, and stop giving York a bad name[/p][/quote]Do you happen to know which hotels are giving york a bad name? notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 70

9:25pm Sun 24 Aug 14

sheps lad says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Some of the hotels which consistently get poor Trip Advisor reviews, need to be told to buck their ideas up, and stop giving York a bad name
Do you happen to know which hotels are giving york a bad name?
Probably those that have not got secure bike parking on site!
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Some of the hotels which consistently get poor Trip Advisor reviews, need to be told to buck their ideas up, and stop giving York a bad name[/p][/quote]Do you happen to know which hotels are giving york a bad name?[/p][/quote]Probably those that have not got secure bike parking on site! sheps lad
  • Score: -1

1:14am Mon 25 Aug 14

RingoStarr says...

Councillor James Alexander and Paul Hepworth are wonderful, farsighted, unbiased and worthy leaders of the City of York. No one, but no one, can argue that their vision of York's future is in the best interests of all who dwell in this fair City of ours.
Councillor James Alexander and Paul Hepworth are wonderful, farsighted, unbiased and worthy leaders of the City of York. No one, but no one, can argue that their vision of York's future is in the best interests of all who dwell in this fair City of ours. RingoStarr
  • Score: -33

9:18am Mon 25 Aug 14

Yorkkeiyyer says...

York2000:

Not suggesting pushing anyone out! Just better use of land, with more concentrated/improve
d use. Residents would stay or have an option to displace to a build not far away.

Think modern, think out of the box, look at London and other cities and consider 20 years from now.

Commuters with money may come to York (and spend it) if rail links improve, there could be options for perhaps even an inner to outer city high speed link to a new outskirts business park, that could house manufacturing / logistics distribution centres if the ring road upgrade came along. Perhaps even alongside that there may be a large environmental themed visitor attraction bringing even more tourists to the hotels.

A strategy should consider all options and risks over the next 50 years.

Not suggesting Aviva will close / relocate this year or next but who knows what will happen in 2024. Will there be one building or two? If one becomes available and we have already made a decision somewhere else without considering that are options then limited?

With the life of any new building proposals impacting such a long period how can planners not consider these things? And York2020 if they are been considered would you rather they be visible and realistic or not?

Anyone reading this who believes York will stay as it is and not change and adapt should think of the consequences of that. If the city does not think long term when others are then what are we accepting for our children?
York2000: Not suggesting pushing anyone out! Just better use of land, with more concentrated/improve d use. Residents would stay or have an option to displace to a build not far away. Think modern, think out of the box, look at London and other cities and consider 20 years from now. Commuters with money may come to York (and spend it) if rail links improve, there could be options for perhaps even an inner to outer city high speed link to a new outskirts business park, that could house manufacturing / logistics distribution centres if the ring road upgrade came along. Perhaps even alongside that there may be a large environmental themed visitor attraction bringing even more tourists to the hotels. A strategy should consider all options and risks over the next 50 years. Not suggesting Aviva will close / relocate this year or next but who knows what will happen in 2024. Will there be one building or two? If one becomes available and we have already made a decision somewhere else without considering that are options then limited? With the life of any new building proposals impacting such a long period how can planners not consider these things? And York2020 if they are been considered would you rather they be visible and realistic or not? Anyone reading this who believes York will stay as it is and not change and adapt should think of the consequences of that. If the city does not think long term when others are then what are we accepting for our children? Yorkkeiyyer
  • Score: 30

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