Debate set to agree Lendal Bridge fines repayment policy

The repayment  Lendal Bridge fines will be discussed next week

The repayment Lendal Bridge fines will be discussed next week

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A FRESH debate will be held next week over the repayment of drivers fined for crossing York's Lendal Bridge during a controversial trial.

A senior scrutiny committee is meeting next Wednesday to discuss the plan to offer refunds only to people who apply, after a decision made by cabinet earlier this month was "called in" by opposition councillors.

Tens of thousands of fines were issued to drivers who crossed the bridge during a trial ban on private traffic last winter.

Liberal Democrat councillors Keith Aspden, Ian Cuthbertson and Ann Reid said the onus should not be on drivers to apply for their refund, especially as many people who were caught out by the ban do not live in York.

They have also called for the revenue from the fines, currently ring-fenced in council reserve funds, to be used to automatically refund people, and for apologies to be issued at the same time.

Conservative councillors Chris Steward, Paul Doughty and independent Sian Wiseman also said holding back from universal refunds would further damage the council's and city's reputation.

They have also claimed that universal refunds would save the council money by cutting down on administration costs, and get rid of uncertainty over how much the bridge closure will eventually cost the authority, and said the proposal runs in conflict with City of York Council's commitment to fairness.

A Labour spokesman said the bridge closure was planned to tackle congestion, and was not about making money, and said the city's reputation would be better served by councillors from all parties working together to reduce traffic problems.

He added: "While we do not accept the tribunal’s decision, the appeal has been pending for months with no end in sight and with the trial over this is not in the public interest. To address the ongoing uncertainty this has caused we have decided to voluntarily pay back fines as a gesture of goodwill where a request is made to the council, as no dispute exists unless a request is made. Officers are confident any costs can be met within existing budgets."

He said it was time to "draw a line under the issue" and said if opposition councillors were concerned about York's reputation, they would engage with the cross-party Congestion Commission.

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12:34pm Wed 20 Aug 14

marvell says...

If Labour hadn't a universal policy of secrecy in everything they do then councillors from other parties wouldn't have to constantly called them to account and when necessary use FOI requests to uncover their mendacity.

The ultimate irony is that a report by auditors warning about a lack of openness and transparency in the way the authority conducts its business was itself kept under wraps for six months !!
If Labour hadn't a universal policy of secrecy in everything they do then councillors from other parties wouldn't have to constantly called them to account and when necessary use FOI requests to uncover their mendacity. The ultimate irony is that a report by auditors warning about a lack of openness and transparency in the way the authority conducts its business was itself kept under wraps for six months !! marvell
  • Score: 256

12:46pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Pete the Brickie says...

This matter should not be open for "debate", all illegal fines should be refunded to the people who paid them.
This matter should not be open for "debate", all illegal fines should be refunded to the people who paid them. Pete the Brickie
  • Score: 208

12:49pm Wed 20 Aug 14

TheTruthHurts says...

A senior scrutiny committee


Who makes up this committee?
[quote] A senior scrutiny committee [/quote] Who makes up this committee? TheTruthHurts
  • Score: 198

1:03pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Fanny Free House says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
A senior scrutiny committee


Who makes up this committee?
Either pay them all back or grow a pair and challenge the adjudicator lose and pay them all back. Then when you lose certain people can carry out their commitment to resign.
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote] A senior scrutiny committee [/quote] Who makes up this committee?[/p][/quote]Either pay them all back or grow a pair and challenge the adjudicator lose and pay them all back. Then when you lose certain people can carry out their commitment to resign. Fanny Free House
  • Score: 155

1:35pm Wed 20 Aug 14

HeworthM says...

In reviewing the process of refunds, I hope that the officers and officials of the council are ensuring that the Money Laundering Regulations are adhered to.
Under the regulations where an organisation receives an overpayment, they have to take all reasonable steps to notify the customer of the repayment and make repayment.
Keeping quiet and hoping that the customer won't notice is not acceptable under the legislation.
Lastly, this legislation came into force under the labour government, so the current York council can't play party politics against it!!
In reviewing the process of refunds, I hope that the officers and officials of the council are ensuring that the Money Laundering Regulations are adhered to. Under the regulations where an organisation receives an overpayment, they have to take all reasonable steps to notify the customer of the repayment and make repayment. Keeping quiet and hoping that the customer won't notice is not acceptable under the legislation. Lastly, this legislation came into force under the labour government, so the current York council can't play party politics against it!! HeworthM
  • Score: 327

3:31pm Wed 20 Aug 14

smudge2 says...

Just keep the money for important things like James Alexander's expense account .!!
Just keep the money for important things like James Alexander's expense account .!! smudge2
  • Score: 266

4:18pm Wed 20 Aug 14

tobefair says...

Every time this fiasco is reported in the Press a Labour spokesman says it is time a line was drawn under the issue. There have been so many lines drawn under this issue that it is now a big black rectangle!

I don't think the final line will be drawn until the next council elections.
Every time this fiasco is reported in the Press a Labour spokesman says it is time a line was drawn under the issue. There have been so many lines drawn under this issue that it is now a big black rectangle! I don't think the final line will be drawn until the next council elections. tobefair
  • Score: 150

5:17pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Caecilius says...

You couldn't reasonably expect drivers to notice that prominent yellow sign in the foreground of the top photo, after all.... or the equally prominent black and yellow signs that were at the top of Gillygate and Bootham, right at a driver's eye level.
You couldn't reasonably expect drivers to notice that prominent yellow sign in the foreground of the top photo, after all.... or the equally prominent black and yellow signs that were at the top of Gillygate and Bootham, right at a driver's eye level. Caecilius
  • Score: 157

5:29pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Ichabod76 says...

Caecilius wrote:
You couldn't reasonably expect drivers to notice that prominent yellow sign in the foreground of the top photo, after all.... or the equally prominent black and yellow signs that were at the top of Gillygate and Bootham, right at a driver's eye level.
Just because the council put up signs, didn't make then legal.
Why else would they spend £20,000 on external legal advice then drop the appeal ?

Was it because Dave Merrett would have had to stand by his word and resign ?
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: You couldn't reasonably expect drivers to notice that prominent yellow sign in the foreground of the top photo, after all.... or the equally prominent black and yellow signs that were at the top of Gillygate and Bootham, right at a driver's eye level.[/p][/quote]Just because the council put up signs, didn't make then legal. Why else would they spend £20,000 on external legal advice then drop the appeal ? Was it because Dave Merrett would have had to stand by his word and resign ? Ichabod76
  • Score: 194

5:32pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MorkofYork says...

"or the equally prominent black and yellow signs that were at the top of Gillygate and Bootham, right at a driver's eye level."

What all 6 of them ? that you're supposed to read while cornering and watching out for pedestrians ?
Give it a rest dude, the signs were cr@p.
"or the equally prominent black and yellow signs that were at the top of Gillygate and Bootham, right at a driver's eye level." What all 6 of them ? that you're supposed to read while cornering and watching out for pedestrians ? Give it a rest dude, the signs were cr@p. MorkofYork
  • Score: 241

5:44pm Wed 20 Aug 14

julia brica says...

David , David , David I regard you as a man of integrity.
You said you would resign ! Please don't disappoint me or you get crossed off my Christmas card list.
David , David , David I regard you as a man of integrity. You said you would resign ! Please don't disappoint me or you get crossed off my Christmas card list. julia brica
  • Score: 120

6:53pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

HeworthM wrote:
In reviewing the process of refunds, I hope that the officers and officials of the council are ensuring that the Money Laundering Regulations are adhered to.
Under the regulations where an organisation receives an overpayment, they have to take all reasonable steps to notify the customer of the repayment and make repayment.
Keeping quiet and hoping that the customer won't notice is not acceptable under the legislation.
Lastly, this legislation came into force under the labour government, so the current York council can't play party politics against it!!
Quite right. The City of York council are being silly; and some employees who have recently left the authority could, if allowed so to do, spill the beans.
[quote][p][bold]HeworthM[/bold] wrote: In reviewing the process of refunds, I hope that the officers and officials of the council are ensuring that the Money Laundering Regulations are adhered to. Under the regulations where an organisation receives an overpayment, they have to take all reasonable steps to notify the customer of the repayment and make repayment. Keeping quiet and hoping that the customer won't notice is not acceptable under the legislation. Lastly, this legislation came into force under the labour government, so the current York council can't play party politics against it!![/p][/quote]Quite right. The City of York council are being silly; and some employees who have recently left the authority could, if allowed so to do, spill the beans. Cheeky face
  • Score: 262

6:58pm Wed 20 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Caecilius wrote:
You couldn't reasonably expect drivers to notice that prominent yellow sign in the foreground of the top photo, after all.... or the equally prominent black and yellow signs that were at the top of Gillygate and Bootham, right at a driver's eye level.
Yawn, yawn yawn, stick to the issue please, the council are effectively withholding money taken illegaly, if they don't let's hope a somone can make a case against them.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: You couldn't reasonably expect drivers to notice that prominent yellow sign in the foreground of the top photo, after all.... or the equally prominent black and yellow signs that were at the top of Gillygate and Bootham, right at a driver's eye level.[/p][/quote]Yawn, yawn yawn, stick to the issue please, the council are effectively withholding money taken illegaly, if they don't let's hope a somone can make a case against them. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 240

7:07pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

Caecilius wrote:
You couldn't reasonably expect drivers to notice that prominent yellow sign in the foreground of the top photo, after all.... or the equally prominent black and yellow signs that were at the top of Gillygate and Bootham, right at a driver's eye level.
Locals probably do not deserve refunds. Signs saying Restricted Access were silly, and against the mandatory provisions of the traffic signs regs 2002. Visitiors did not know where Lendal Br was. Signs either side of the bridge were wrong until mid Jan 2014. Sign outside the Theatre was in a daft place- only rte-sited in Jan 2014.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: You couldn't reasonably expect drivers to notice that prominent yellow sign in the foreground of the top photo, after all.... or the equally prominent black and yellow signs that were at the top of Gillygate and Bootham, right at a driver's eye level.[/p][/quote]Locals probably do not deserve refunds. Signs saying Restricted Access were silly, and against the mandatory provisions of the traffic signs regs 2002. Visitiors did not know where Lendal Br was. Signs either side of the bridge were wrong until mid Jan 2014. Sign outside the Theatre was in a daft place- only rte-sited in Jan 2014. Cheeky face
  • Score: 172

7:10pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

tobefair wrote:
Every time this fiasco is reported in the Press a Labour spokesman says it is time a line was drawn under the issue. There have been so many lines drawn under this issue that it is now a big black rectangle!

I don't think the final line will be drawn until the next council elections.
The line to end the debate should be easy if all transgressors are refunded the money with an apology. Anything else means the Battle of Lendal Bridge will go down in history!
[quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Every time this fiasco is reported in the Press a Labour spokesman says it is time a line was drawn under the issue. There have been so many lines drawn under this issue that it is now a big black rectangle! I don't think the final line will be drawn until the next council elections.[/p][/quote]The line to end the debate should be easy if all transgressors are refunded the money with an apology. Anything else means the Battle of Lendal Bridge will go down in history! Cheeky face
  • Score: 725

7:12pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

julia brica wrote:
David , David , David I regard you as a man of integrity.
You said you would resign ! Please don't disappoint me or you get crossed off my Christmas card list.
I trust you were intending to put a stamp on the envelope!
[quote][p][bold]julia brica[/bold] wrote: David , David , David I regard you as a man of integrity. You said you would resign ! Please don't disappoint me or you get crossed off my Christmas card list.[/p][/quote]I trust you were intending to put a stamp on the envelope! Cheeky face
  • Score: 522

7:17pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
Caecilius wrote:
You couldn't reasonably expect drivers to notice that prominent yellow sign in the foreground of the top photo, after all.... or the equally prominent black and yellow signs that were at the top of Gillygate and Bootham, right at a driver's eye level.
Yawn, yawn yawn, stick to the issue please, the council are effectively withholding money taken illegaly, if they don't let's hope a somone can make a case against them.
Possibly a solicitor, from out of town, included in the 50000 or so alleged transgressors. If he/she sees the grossly unfair refund policy then a court case could erupt. By now the Independent Auditors are probably planning their own questions!
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: You couldn't reasonably expect drivers to notice that prominent yellow sign in the foreground of the top photo, after all.... or the equally prominent black and yellow signs that were at the top of Gillygate and Bootham, right at a driver's eye level.[/p][/quote]Yawn, yawn yawn, stick to the issue please, the council are effectively withholding money taken illegaly, if they don't let's hope a somone can make a case against them.[/p][/quote]Possibly a solicitor, from out of town, included in the 50000 or so alleged transgressors. If he/she sees the grossly unfair refund policy then a court case could erupt. By now the Independent Auditors are probably planning their own questions! Cheeky face
  • Score: 271

7:23pm Wed 20 Aug 14

kidology says...

Cheeky face wrote:
Caecilius wrote:
You couldn't reasonably expect drivers to notice that prominent yellow sign in the foreground of the top photo, after all.... or the equally prominent black and yellow signs that were at the top of Gillygate and Bootham, right at a driver's eye level.
Locals probably do not deserve refunds. Signs saying Restricted Access were silly, and against the mandatory provisions of the traffic signs regs 2002. Visitiors did not know where Lendal Br was. Signs either side of the bridge were wrong until mid Jan 2014. Sign outside the Theatre was in a daft place- only rte-sited in Jan 2014.
What was the road restricted for. who was consulted was a deal done with the owners of the now about turn on the hotel at theatre.
Noticed the council had moved into there new offices before the decision was made to shut the bridge. Only losers are york tax payers again,grow up the lot of you and pay the money back ASAP.
Bet taxi drivers abused the system when not working, who got what out of this fiasco .
[quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: You couldn't reasonably expect drivers to notice that prominent yellow sign in the foreground of the top photo, after all.... or the equally prominent black and yellow signs that were at the top of Gillygate and Bootham, right at a driver's eye level.[/p][/quote]Locals probably do not deserve refunds. Signs saying Restricted Access were silly, and against the mandatory provisions of the traffic signs regs 2002. Visitiors did not know where Lendal Br was. Signs either side of the bridge were wrong until mid Jan 2014. Sign outside the Theatre was in a daft place- only rte-sited in Jan 2014.[/p][/quote]What was the road restricted for. who was consulted was a deal done with the owners of the now about turn on the hotel at theatre. Noticed the council had moved into there new offices before the decision was made to shut the bridge. Only losers are york tax payers again,grow up the lot of you and pay the money back ASAP. Bet taxi drivers abused the system when not working, who got what out of this fiasco . kidology
  • Score: 193

10:15pm Wed 20 Aug 14

York1234 says...

Officers want to send the money back electronically. It's automatic, easy to do, not much need for additional resources and better for all. Don't understand why there's a push to complete a form and have to increase / make a team to do the admin.
Officers want to send the money back electronically. It's automatic, easy to do, not much need for additional resources and better for all. Don't understand why there's a push to complete a form and have to increase / make a team to do the admin. York1234
  • Score: 285

1:02am Thu 21 Aug 14

clar64pr says...

Stupid idea in the first place...Give the refunds and learn from it!
Stupid idea in the first place...Give the refunds and learn from it! clar64pr
  • Score: 112

1:04am Thu 21 Aug 14

PeoplesRevolution says...

Nothing surpises me about this city of York run under Labour. They would get away with murder. Already breaking the law for data prodection act which they are pass on york citizens private information o ton third party without consulting people of York,licensing departing are are on the fiddle, threaten behaviour by member of staff and laying to the police. So conning money out of York citizens is only a drop in the ocean.

Sadly there is nothing any one can doas no regulation set by the government.
Nothing surpises me about this city of York run under Labour. They would get away with murder. Already breaking the law for data prodection act which they are pass on york citizens private information o ton third party without consulting people of York,licensing departing are are on the fiddle, threaten behaviour by member of staff and laying to the police. So conning money out of York citizens is only a drop in the ocean. Sadly there is nothing any one can doas no regulation set by the government. PeoplesRevolution
  • Score: 110

7:56am Thu 21 Aug 14

big boy york says...

can see that refunding fines to people outside of york is the right thing to do, refunding york residents is another thing. visitors to york did not know where lendal bridge was fair enough, but york residents can have no gripe there was debates in the press, local radio etc, everyday the letters page in the press was full of people arguing about the closure so surely residents of york can have no complaints about getting done,
can see that refunding fines to people outside of york is the right thing to do, refunding york residents is another thing. visitors to york did not know where lendal bridge was fair enough, but york residents can have no gripe there was debates in the press, local radio etc, everyday the letters page in the press was full of people arguing about the closure so surely residents of york can have no complaints about getting done, big boy york
  • Score: 878

8:07am Thu 21 Aug 14

pedalling paul says...

Oh dearie me.... I fear that many of you are losing sight of the much bigger transport policy picture. That naughty time bomb is still quietly ticking away. If we fail to persuade many who make short distance, single occupancy peak car journeys onto other travel choices (including car sharing) then York will inevitably become gridlocked in just a few decades.
No good bleating that "traffic must flow. " If more of it appears, it won't be going anywhere fast, anytime.
Oh dearie me.... I fear that many of you are losing sight of the much bigger transport policy picture. That naughty time bomb is still quietly ticking away. If we fail to persuade many who make short distance, single occupancy peak car journeys onto other travel choices (including car sharing) then York will inevitably become gridlocked in just a few decades. No good bleating that "traffic must flow. " If more of it appears, it won't be going anywhere fast, anytime. pedalling paul
  • Score: -3859

8:25am Thu 21 Aug 14

howmanymoretimes says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Oh dearie me.... I fear that many of you are losing sight of the much bigger transport policy picture. That naughty time bomb is still quietly ticking away. If we fail to persuade many who make short distance, single occupancy peak car journeys onto other travel choices (including car sharing) then York will inevitably become gridlocked in just a few decades.
No good bleating that "traffic must flow. " If more of it appears, it won't be going anywhere fast, anytime.
This article is about refunding fines. It is NOT about "transport Policy".

As a cyclist I am rapidly becoming embarrassed by your blinkered view and I don't think that you are helping the cause of cyclists one little bit.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh dearie me.... I fear that many of you are losing sight of the much bigger transport policy picture. That naughty time bomb is still quietly ticking away. If we fail to persuade many who make short distance, single occupancy peak car journeys onto other travel choices (including car sharing) then York will inevitably become gridlocked in just a few decades. No good bleating that "traffic must flow. " If more of it appears, it won't be going anywhere fast, anytime.[/p][/quote]This article is about refunding fines. It is NOT about "transport Policy". As a cyclist I am rapidly becoming embarrassed by your blinkered view and I don't think that you are helping the cause of cyclists one little bit. howmanymoretimes
  • Score: 632

8:54am Thu 21 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Oh dearie me.... I fear that many of you are losing sight of the much bigger transport policy picture. That naughty time bomb is still quietly ticking away. If we fail to persuade many who make short distance, single occupancy peak car journeys onto other travel choices (including car sharing) then York will inevitably become gridlocked in just a few decades. No good bleating that "traffic must flow. " If more of it appears, it won't be going anywhere fast, anytime.
Yet again Hepworth aka pedalling paul tries to high jack the issue with his rantings about car usage, he knows there are some that will rise to the bait and it will start a chain reaction until the original thread is forgotten completely.
Hepworth and friends - the citizens of York have one simple request, pay the money in full to all those that were fined illegally, and no 'ifs' or 'buts'.
As I said before I hope that someone makes a legal challenge to this so called council and they are made to look the fools that they really are.
Over to you Hepworth!!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh dearie me.... I fear that many of you are losing sight of the much bigger transport policy picture. That naughty time bomb is still quietly ticking away. If we fail to persuade many who make short distance, single occupancy peak car journeys onto other travel choices (including car sharing) then York will inevitably become gridlocked in just a few decades. No good bleating that "traffic must flow. " If more of it appears, it won't be going anywhere fast, anytime.[/p][/quote]Yet again Hepworth aka pedalling paul tries to high jack the issue with his rantings about car usage, he knows there are some that will rise to the bait and it will start a chain reaction until the original thread is forgotten completely. Hepworth and friends - the citizens of York have one simple request, pay the money in full to all those that were fined illegally, and no 'ifs' or 'buts'. As I said before I hope that someone makes a legal challenge to this so called council and they are made to look the fools that they really are. Over to you Hepworth!! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 127

12:13pm Thu 21 Aug 14

BethFoxhunter96 says...

big boy york wrote:
can see that refunding fines to people outside of york is the right thing to do, refunding york residents is another thing. visitors to york did not know where lendal bridge was fair enough, but york residents can have no gripe there was debates in the press, local radio etc, everyday the letters page in the press was full of people arguing about the closure so surely residents of york can have no complaints about getting done,
I think it is maybe even more black and white. Personally I agree with the bridge being closed (town was so much nicer!!! and buses were quicker!) but that's irrelevant; if the fines were made illegally they need to be returned. If i made a mistake and ended up taking £10 from James Alexander's purse thinking it was mine or he owed me, and I was wrong, he'd want is back! The councillors of the ruling party need to understand unless they pay all the fines back this will be the defining issue of the next election, which is a real shame because it should be policies, not scandals, that are being talked about. Don't give the tories or liberals an easy route to power - ugh - I'm hoping for a red/green coalition but that will only happen if this bridge thing is buried and ended quickly and appropriately.
[quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: can see that refunding fines to people outside of york is the right thing to do, refunding york residents is another thing. visitors to york did not know where lendal bridge was fair enough, but york residents can have no gripe there was debates in the press, local radio etc, everyday the letters page in the press was full of people arguing about the closure so surely residents of york can have no complaints about getting done,[/p][/quote]I think it is maybe even more black and white. Personally I agree with the bridge being closed (town was so much nicer!!! and buses were quicker!) but that's irrelevant; if the fines were made illegally they need to be returned. If i made a mistake and ended up taking £10 from James Alexander's purse thinking it was mine or he owed me, and I was wrong, he'd want is back! The councillors of the ruling party need to understand unless they pay all the fines back this will be the defining issue of the next election, which is a real shame because it should be policies, not scandals, that are being talked about. Don't give the tories or liberals an easy route to power - ugh - I'm hoping for a red/green coalition but that will only happen if this bridge thing is buried and ended quickly and appropriately. BethFoxhunter96
  • Score: 729

12:48pm Thu 21 Aug 14

The Analyst says...

No need to have a debate on the policy - just another delaying tactic by YCC - it really is straight forwards.

For every person you have illegally fined, you send them a cheque and an apology.

Just YCC being as useless as ever by the sounds of it!
No need to have a debate on the policy - just another delaying tactic by YCC - it really is straight forwards. For every person you have illegally fined, you send them a cheque and an apology. Just YCC being as useless as ever by the sounds of it! The Analyst
  • Score: 649

1:22pm Thu 21 Aug 14

MorkofYork says...

"I'm hoping for a red/green coalition"


AHHHahhhhahhah.
"I'm hoping for a red/green coalition" AHHHahhhhahhah. MorkofYork
  • Score: 1471

1:24pm Thu 21 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

BethFoxhunter96 wrote:
big boy york wrote: can see that refunding fines to people outside of york is the right thing to do, refunding york residents is another thing. visitors to york did not know where lendal bridge was fair enough, but york residents can have no gripe there was debates in the press, local radio etc, everyday the letters page in the press was full of people arguing about the closure so surely residents of york can have no complaints about getting done,
I think it is maybe even more black and white. Personally I agree with the bridge being closed (town was so much nicer!!! and buses were quicker!) but that's irrelevant; if the fines were made illegally they need to be returned. If i made a mistake and ended up taking £10 from James Alexander's purse thinking it was mine or he owed me, and I was wrong, he'd want is back! The councillors of the ruling party need to understand unless they pay all the fines back this will be the defining issue of the next election, which is a real shame because it should be policies, not scandals, that are being talked about. Don't give the tories or liberals an easy route to power - ugh - I'm hoping for a red/green coalition but that will only happen if this bridge thing is buried and ended quickly and appropriately.
As doubter of your age and gender - but again thats irellevant - I dont agree that the buses ran any quicker or that the town was so much nicer, I am a york resident who walks into town and I personally did'nt find it at all 'better' as you say, no different in fact.
As far as your other comments go at least you have the sense to see that the money should be paid back to those who were illegally fined, but as for judging the councillors of the ruling party on their policies, I find it hard to think of even one that has brought any credit or benefit to this pround and wonderful city, PS it was'nt this lot that made this city wonderful and proud by the way!!, PAY THE MONEY BACK!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]BethFoxhunter96[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: can see that refunding fines to people outside of york is the right thing to do, refunding york residents is another thing. visitors to york did not know where lendal bridge was fair enough, but york residents can have no gripe there was debates in the press, local radio etc, everyday the letters page in the press was full of people arguing about the closure so surely residents of york can have no complaints about getting done,[/p][/quote]I think it is maybe even more black and white. Personally I agree with the bridge being closed (town was so much nicer!!! and buses were quicker!) but that's irrelevant; if the fines were made illegally they need to be returned. If i made a mistake and ended up taking £10 from James Alexander's purse thinking it was mine or he owed me, and I was wrong, he'd want is back! The councillors of the ruling party need to understand unless they pay all the fines back this will be the defining issue of the next election, which is a real shame because it should be policies, not scandals, that are being talked about. Don't give the tories or liberals an easy route to power - ugh - I'm hoping for a red/green coalition but that will only happen if this bridge thing is buried and ended quickly and appropriately.[/p][/quote]As doubter of your age and gender - but again thats irellevant - I dont agree that the buses ran any quicker or that the town was so much nicer, I am a york resident who walks into town and I personally did'nt find it at all 'better' as you say, no different in fact. As far as your other comments go at least you have the sense to see that the money should be paid back to those who were illegally fined, but as for judging the councillors of the ruling party on their policies, I find it hard to think of even one that has brought any credit or benefit to this pround and wonderful city, PS it was'nt this lot that made this city wonderful and proud by the way!!, PAY THE MONEY BACK!!!!! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 126

3:02pm Thu 21 Aug 14

GMuser says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Oh dearie me.... I fear that many of you are losing sight of the much bigger transport policy picture. That naughty time bomb is still quietly ticking away. If we fail to persuade many who make short distance, single occupancy peak car journeys onto other travel choices (including car sharing) then York will inevitably become gridlocked in just a few decades.
No good bleating that "traffic must flow. " If more of it appears, it won't be going anywhere fast, anytime.
Paul you just don't listen do you. Listen to the people of York. SHUT UP you are exceedingly boring. Your one size fits all just will not work. Better management of traffic within and around York to keep it moving is the solution, not the nonsense you keep spouting!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh dearie me.... I fear that many of you are losing sight of the much bigger transport policy picture. That naughty time bomb is still quietly ticking away. If we fail to persuade many who make short distance, single occupancy peak car journeys onto other travel choices (including car sharing) then York will inevitably become gridlocked in just a few decades. No good bleating that "traffic must flow. " If more of it appears, it won't be going anywhere fast, anytime.[/p][/quote]Paul you just don't listen do you. Listen to the people of York. SHUT UP you are exceedingly boring. Your one size fits all just will not work. Better management of traffic within and around York to keep it moving is the solution, not the nonsense you keep spouting! GMuser
  • Score: 463

3:03pm Thu 21 Aug 14

GMuser says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Oh dearie me.... I fear that many of you are losing sight of the much bigger transport policy picture. That naughty time bomb is still quietly ticking away. If we fail to persuade many who make short distance, single occupancy peak car journeys onto other travel choices (including car sharing) then York will inevitably become gridlocked in just a few decades.
No good bleating that "traffic must flow. " If more of it appears, it won't be going anywhere fast, anytime.
Paul you just don't listen do you. Listen to the people of York. SHUT UP you are exceedingly boring. Your one size fits all just will not work. Better management of traffic within and around York to keep it moving is the solution, not the nonsense you keep spouting!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh dearie me.... I fear that many of you are losing sight of the much bigger transport policy picture. That naughty time bomb is still quietly ticking away. If we fail to persuade many who make short distance, single occupancy peak car journeys onto other travel choices (including car sharing) then York will inevitably become gridlocked in just a few decades. No good bleating that "traffic must flow. " If more of it appears, it won't be going anywhere fast, anytime.[/p][/quote]Paul you just don't listen do you. Listen to the people of York. SHUT UP you are exceedingly boring. Your one size fits all just will not work. Better management of traffic within and around York to keep it moving is the solution, not the nonsense you keep spouting! GMuser
  • Score: 857

4:18pm Thu 21 Aug 14

MorkofYork says...

Take a look around Harrogate and how much more pleasant and civil it is, we want this for York. Get rid of the nanny staters constantly meddling to justify their own existence at out our expense. They're treating you like imbeciles and cluttering the streets with ugly signs to satisfy their own ideology. Enough is enough. I hope the blues can bring us back to a civilized state with basic decency towards the voting public.
Take a look around Harrogate and how much more pleasant and civil it is, we want this for York. Get rid of the nanny staters constantly meddling to justify their own existence at out our expense. They're treating you like imbeciles and cluttering the streets with ugly signs to satisfy their own ideology. Enough is enough. I hope the blues can bring us back to a civilized state with basic decency towards the voting public. MorkofYork
  • Score: 849

6:12pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

big boy york wrote:
can see that refunding fines to people outside of york is the right thing to do, refunding york residents is another thing. visitors to york did not know where lendal bridge was fair enough, but york residents can have no gripe there was debates in the press, local radio etc, everyday the letters page in the press was full of people arguing about the closure so surely residents of york can have no complaints about getting done,
Spot on. Visitors/tourists deserve refunds. Locals should prove they had no knowledge; and that should be considered.

If council get their own way then no more than 5% of the total transgressors will claim unless media people expand the options; something the council feel is the media's job!
[quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: can see that refunding fines to people outside of york is the right thing to do, refunding york residents is another thing. visitors to york did not know where lendal bridge was fair enough, but york residents can have no gripe there was debates in the press, local radio etc, everyday the letters page in the press was full of people arguing about the closure so surely residents of york can have no complaints about getting done,[/p][/quote]Spot on. Visitors/tourists deserve refunds. Locals should prove they had no knowledge; and that should be considered. If council get their own way then no more than 5% of the total transgressors will claim unless media people expand the options; something the council feel is the media's job! Cheeky face
  • Score: 116

7:07pm Thu 21 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

big boy york wrote:
can see that refunding fines to people outside of york is the right thing to do, refunding york residents is another thing. visitors to york did not know where lendal bridge was fair enough, but york residents can have no gripe there was debates in the press, local radio etc, everyday the letters page in the press was full of people arguing about the closure so surely residents of york can have no complaints about getting done,
You can't differentiate between the two, resident or visitor, the use of the ANPR cameras was judged illegal as far as I know, so no matter who lives where, everyone is entitled to a refund of the money taken off them illegally, just pay the money back and admit it was a money making scheme that went wrong.
[quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: can see that refunding fines to people outside of york is the right thing to do, refunding york residents is another thing. visitors to york did not know where lendal bridge was fair enough, but york residents can have no gripe there was debates in the press, local radio etc, everyday the letters page in the press was full of people arguing about the closure so surely residents of york can have no complaints about getting done,[/p][/quote]You can't differentiate between the two, resident or visitor, the use of the ANPR cameras was judged illegal as far as I know, so no matter who lives where, everyone is entitled to a refund of the money taken off them illegally, just pay the money back and admit it was a money making scheme that went wrong. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 105

7:45am Fri 22 Aug 14

pedalling paul says...

MorkofYork wrote:
Take a look around Harrogate and how much more pleasant and civil it is, we want this for York. Get rid of the nanny staters constantly meddling to justify their own existence at out our expense. They're treating you like imbeciles and cluttering the streets with ugly signs to satisfy their own ideology. Enough is enough. I hope the blues can bring us back to a civilized state with basic decency towards the voting public.
Ever tried travelling into Harrogate by road during the am peak? Maybe that's why North Yorkshire County Council decided to make a bid to the Govt's Local Sustainable transport Fund, to improve walking, cycling and public transport in the conjoined urban areas of Harrogate & Knaresborough. The bid met all the Govt. criteria and was approved. Spending is now under way.
York also received £4m+ of LSTF funding, and has received a further grant in more recent times. So yes, we are like Harrogate...........
......
[quote][p][bold]MorkofYork[/bold] wrote: Take a look around Harrogate and how much more pleasant and civil it is, we want this for York. Get rid of the nanny staters constantly meddling to justify their own existence at out our expense. They're treating you like imbeciles and cluttering the streets with ugly signs to satisfy their own ideology. Enough is enough. I hope the blues can bring us back to a civilized state with basic decency towards the voting public.[/p][/quote]Ever tried travelling into Harrogate by road during the am peak? Maybe that's why North Yorkshire County Council decided to make a bid to the Govt's Local Sustainable transport Fund, to improve walking, cycling and public transport in the conjoined urban areas of Harrogate & Knaresborough. The bid met all the Govt. criteria and was approved. Spending is now under way. York also received £4m+ of LSTF funding, and has received a further grant in more recent times. So yes, we are like Harrogate........... ...... pedalling paul
  • Score: 106

11:09am Fri 22 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
MorkofYork wrote: Take a look around Harrogate and how much more pleasant and civil it is, we want this for York. Get rid of the nanny staters constantly meddling to justify their own existence at out our expense. They're treating you like imbeciles and cluttering the streets with ugly signs to satisfy their own ideology. Enough is enough. I hope the blues can bring us back to a civilized state with basic decency towards the voting public.
Ever tried travelling into Harrogate by road during the am peak? Maybe that's why North Yorkshire County Council decided to make a bid to the Govt's Local Sustainable transport Fund, to improve walking, cycling and public transport in the conjoined urban areas of Harrogate & Knaresborough. The bid met all the Govt. criteria and was approved. Spending is now under way. York also received £4m+ of LSTF funding, and has received a further grant in more recent times. So yes, we are like Harrogate........... ......
Mr Hepworth can you name us one city in this country that does not have peak traffic congestion, the clue I think is in the word 'peak', do your solutions to this 'peak' also apply to motorways and bypasses I wonder? try driving on any motorway at 'peak' times then you will see some congestion.
Now to get back to the original thread - CITY OF YORK COUCIL PAY THE MONEY BACK!!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MorkofYork[/bold] wrote: Take a look around Harrogate and how much more pleasant and civil it is, we want this for York. Get rid of the nanny staters constantly meddling to justify their own existence at out our expense. They're treating you like imbeciles and cluttering the streets with ugly signs to satisfy their own ideology. Enough is enough. I hope the blues can bring us back to a civilized state with basic decency towards the voting public.[/p][/quote]Ever tried travelling into Harrogate by road during the am peak? Maybe that's why North Yorkshire County Council decided to make a bid to the Govt's Local Sustainable transport Fund, to improve walking, cycling and public transport in the conjoined urban areas of Harrogate & Knaresborough. The bid met all the Govt. criteria and was approved. Spending is now under way. York also received £4m+ of LSTF funding, and has received a further grant in more recent times. So yes, we are like Harrogate........... ......[/p][/quote]Mr Hepworth can you name us one city in this country that does not have peak traffic congestion, the clue I think is in the word 'peak', do your solutions to this 'peak' also apply to motorways and bypasses I wonder? try driving on any motorway at 'peak' times then you will see some congestion. Now to get back to the original thread - CITY OF YORK COUCIL PAY THE MONEY BACK!! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 7

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