Police fine careless drivers using new fixed penalty powers

Police fine careless drivers using new fixed penalty powers

Police fine careless drivers using new fixed penalty powers

First published in News

DRIVERS in York and North Yorkshire have been fined hundreds of pounds for their careless mistakes.

The Fixed Penalty Notices were used as punishments for speeding, dangerous overtaking, driving too close to the vehicle in front, wrong manoeuvres and using a mobile phone while driving.

Motorists were stopped on the A19, A1, the B1222 in York, the A64 at Askham Bryan and on roads in Northallerton and Scarborough, where they were handed fines.

North Yorkshire Police officers handed out 48 notices for offences such as dangerous overtaking and failing to give way at a junction, not staying in the correct lane and “careless manoeuvres” between August and June.

The new powers to issue fixed penalties for careless driving, along with a £100 fine and three points on the driver’s licence, were announced by the Government to make it easier for the police to tackle problem drivers.

Clive Tong, secretary of York Advanced Motorists, said: “Any measures improving the standards of driving in the York area are to be welcomed and any additional police presence on the road that helps enforcement of road traffic law can only improve everyone who wants to drive to a good standard and with consideration for others.

“When we are all driving we observe people doing things they shouldn’t from time to time, like talking on a mobile phone, and as well as being unsafe, can lead to annoying others. This sounds like a reasonable step forward and is in line with what the Government is trying to achieve.”

A North Yorkshire Police spokesman said: “The new legislation allows officers to deal with people committing driving offences on the spot rather than having to go through an often lengthy court process.

“More serious offences will still be dealt with within the normal legal process, however the ability to issue fixed penalty tickets for certain offences will free up more time for officers to spend on patrol in their communities.”

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12:07pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

48 notices in 10 months does not equate to being enough. Just how many
traffic cops are out there?
48 notices in 10 months does not equate to being enough. Just how many traffic cops are out there? Cheeky face
  • Score: -8

12:42pm Mon 18 Aug 14

HoofHearteds says...

The black box in car monitoring system isn't far away. Traffic cops will be of little need when they can assess ones road use via a server. Fixed penalty notices will arrive by email and the box shall be proof.
The black box in car monitoring system isn't far away. Traffic cops will be of little need when they can assess ones road use via a server. Fixed penalty notices will arrive by email and the box shall be proof. HoofHearteds
  • Score: 9

1:05pm Mon 18 Aug 14

archieboldthe2nd says...

HoofHearteds wrote:
The black box in car monitoring system isn't far away. Traffic cops will be of little need when they can assess ones road use via a server. Fixed penalty notices will arrive by email and the box shall be proof.
How does it know if you overtake dangerously? or do a stupid manoeuvre?
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: The black box in car monitoring system isn't far away. Traffic cops will be of little need when they can assess ones road use via a server. Fixed penalty notices will arrive by email and the box shall be proof.[/p][/quote]How does it know if you overtake dangerously? or do a stupid manoeuvre? archieboldthe2nd
  • Score: 3

1:05pm Mon 18 Aug 14

vax2002 says...

Why a dash cam is now mandatory.
How else you going to prove you are innocent.
Why a dash cam is now mandatory. How else you going to prove you are innocent. vax2002
  • Score: 3

1:09pm Mon 18 Aug 14

johnwill says...

Not staying in the correct lane ? sounds like something from the Rowan Atkinson sketch of trumped up charges in Secret Policemans Ball .
Not staying in the correct lane ? sounds like something from the Rowan Atkinson sketch of trumped up charges in Secret Policemans Ball . johnwill
  • Score: 33

3:02pm Mon 18 Aug 14

CHISSY1 says...

Cheeky face wrote:
48 notices in 10 months does not equate to being enough. Just how many
traffic cops are out there?
Very few.
[quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: 48 notices in 10 months does not equate to being enough. Just how many traffic cops are out there?[/p][/quote]Very few. CHISSY1
  • Score: -26

3:50pm Mon 18 Aug 14

smudge2 says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
Cheeky face wrote:
48 notices in 10 months does not equate to being enough. Just how many
traffic cops are out there?
Very few.
Most of them are in the takeaways on Fulford Road getting ready for their fitness assessment.. What with double mobile speed cameras and traffic officers being able to hand £100 fines out to anybody the soft touch motorist is getting a double whammy...The only people who will be happy are the insurance companies who will be able to hike their premiums at their next renewal. Big brother is approaching fast !!
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: 48 notices in 10 months does not equate to being enough. Just how many traffic cops are out there?[/p][/quote]Very few.[/p][/quote]Most of them are in the takeaways on Fulford Road getting ready for their fitness assessment.. What with double mobile speed cameras and traffic officers being able to hand £100 fines out to anybody the soft touch motorist is getting a double whammy...The only people who will be happy are the insurance companies who will be able to hike their premiums at their next renewal. Big brother is approaching fast !! smudge2
  • Score: 24

4:45pm Mon 18 Aug 14

eeoodares says...

archieboldthe2nd wrote:
HoofHearteds wrote:
The black box in car monitoring system isn't far away. Traffic cops will be of little need when they can assess ones road use via a server. Fixed penalty notices will arrive by email and the box shall be proof.
How does it know if you overtake dangerously? or do a stupid manoeuvre?
The technology is there now, GPS, speed, acceleration, braking, g-force etc, etc, etc I can see them introducing it if they can.
[quote][p][bold]archieboldthe2nd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: The black box in car monitoring system isn't far away. Traffic cops will be of little need when they can assess ones road use via a server. Fixed penalty notices will arrive by email and the box shall be proof.[/p][/quote]How does it know if you overtake dangerously? or do a stupid manoeuvre?[/p][/quote]The technology is there now, GPS, speed, acceleration, braking, g-force etc, etc, etc I can see them introducing it if they can. eeoodares
  • Score: 3

4:57pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Martin true Viking says...

Its wrong that a traffic officer can accuse you of something and fine you with no evidence apart from there word against yours. I m afraid that over the years my faith in anything authority has dwindled to nearly zero...
Its wrong that a traffic officer can accuse you of something and fine you with no evidence apart from there word against yours. I m afraid that over the years my faith in anything authority has dwindled to nearly zero... Martin true Viking
  • Score: 30

5:00pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Martin true Viking says...

The police are not trust worthy enough to take on this roll of handing out fines based on there opinion. It will never be consistent dependent on mood, whether the shift has just started, picking on a flash car driver. Surely for this to stand there must be video evidence not just human opinion.
The police are not trust worthy enough to take on this roll of handing out fines based on there opinion. It will never be consistent dependent on mood, whether the shift has just started, picking on a flash car driver. Surely for this to stand there must be video evidence not just human opinion. Martin true Viking
  • Score: 17

5:18pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Caecilius says...

Using a mobile phone while driving is not "a careless mistake". And to say that "as well as being unsafe, can lead to annoying others" is something of an understatement. It's a deliberate act of selfish arrogance by someone who's either too stupid to register the possibility that they might kill somebody while they're not paying attention to the road, or who simply doesn't care.
Using a mobile phone while driving is not "a careless mistake". And to say that "as well as being unsafe, [it] can lead to annoying others" is something of an understatement. It's a deliberate act of selfish arrogance by someone who's either too stupid to register the possibility that they might kill somebody while they're not paying attention to the road, or who simply doesn't care. Caecilius
  • Score: 52

5:39pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Dave Ruddock says...

I wish the Mobile Phone drivers were charged and license taken away as they dont learn and a danger to all wish it was taken a D and D
I wish the Mobile Phone drivers were charged and license taken away as they dont learn and a danger to all wish it was taken a D and D Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 14

5:55pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

johnwill wrote:
Not staying in the correct lane ? sounds like something from the Rowan Atkinson sketch of trumped up charges in Secret Policemans Ball .
DfT say difficult to prove; especially if lane markings and signs are wrong.
They told the govt this before the legislation! So Whitehall not much better than City of York Ccl.
[quote][p][bold]johnwill[/bold] wrote: Not staying in the correct lane ? sounds like something from the Rowan Atkinson sketch of trumped up charges in Secret Policemans Ball .[/p][/quote]DfT say difficult to prove; especially if lane markings and signs are wrong. They told the govt this before the legislation! So Whitehall not much better than City of York Ccl. Cheeky face
  • Score: 2

6:00pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

smudge2 wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
Cheeky face wrote:
48 notices in 10 months does not equate to being enough. Just how many
traffic cops are out there?
Very few.
Most of them are in the takeaways on Fulford Road getting ready for their fitness assessment.. What with double mobile speed cameras and traffic officers being able to hand £100 fines out to anybody the soft touch motorist is getting a double whammy...The only people who will be happy are the insurance companies who will be able to hike their premiums at their next renewal. Big brother is approaching fast !!
Insurance companies are aware of a plethora of extra points on licences; and should consider this in their renewal notices - but will they?

To be honest 3pts for tailgating anywhere in the UK is worse than accidentally being in the wrong lane in a foreign location.
[quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: 48 notices in 10 months does not equate to being enough. Just how many traffic cops are out there?[/p][/quote]Very few.[/p][/quote]Most of them are in the takeaways on Fulford Road getting ready for their fitness assessment.. What with double mobile speed cameras and traffic officers being able to hand £100 fines out to anybody the soft touch motorist is getting a double whammy...The only people who will be happy are the insurance companies who will be able to hike their premiums at their next renewal. Big brother is approaching fast !![/p][/quote]Insurance companies are aware of a plethora of extra points on licences; and should consider this in their renewal notices - but will they? To be honest 3pts for tailgating anywhere in the UK is worse than accidentally being in the wrong lane in a foreign location. Cheeky face
  • Score: 6

6:04pm Mon 18 Aug 14

CHISSY1 says...

smudge2 wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
Cheeky face wrote:
48 notices in 10 months does not equate to being enough. Just how many
traffic cops are out there?
Very few.
Most of them are in the takeaways on Fulford Road getting ready for their fitness assessment.. What with double mobile speed cameras and traffic officers being able to hand £100 fines out to anybody the soft touch motorist is getting a double whammy...The only people who will be happy are the insurance companies who will be able to hike their premiums at their next renewal. Big brother is approaching fast !!
You do not have a clue.My step son in law is a traffic cop and he has to go as far as Scarborough,dealing with pub fights in York.Takeaways in Fulford Road ?,you do not have a clue.
[quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: 48 notices in 10 months does not equate to being enough. Just how many traffic cops are out there?[/p][/quote]Very few.[/p][/quote]Most of them are in the takeaways on Fulford Road getting ready for their fitness assessment.. What with double mobile speed cameras and traffic officers being able to hand £100 fines out to anybody the soft touch motorist is getting a double whammy...The only people who will be happy are the insurance companies who will be able to hike their premiums at their next renewal. Big brother is approaching fast !![/p][/quote]You do not have a clue.My step son in law is a traffic cop and he has to go as far as Scarborough,dealing with pub fights in York.Takeaways in Fulford Road ?,you do not have a clue. CHISSY1
  • Score: -36

6:07pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

Martin true Viking wrote:
The police are not trust worthy enough to take on this roll of handing out fines based on there opinion. It will never be consistent dependent on mood, whether the shift has just started, picking on a flash car driver. Surely for this to stand there must be video evidence not just human opinion.
Traffic cops are getting the tools to back-up evidence albeit slowly.

If a motorist appeals the traffic cop may well have to go to court.
[quote][p][bold]Martin true Viking[/bold] wrote: The police are not trust worthy enough to take on this roll of handing out fines based on there opinion. It will never be consistent dependent on mood, whether the shift has just started, picking on a flash car driver. Surely for this to stand there must be video evidence not just human opinion.[/p][/quote]Traffic cops are getting the tools to back-up evidence albeit slowly. If a motorist appeals the traffic cop may well have to go to court. Cheeky face
  • Score: 12

6:32pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Jonlogical says...

There are some really dreadful drivers out there, I see them every day. Most of the time they get off, which perpetuates some stupid and dangerous habits.
A few fines might just save a life or two.
There are some really dreadful drivers out there, I see them every day. Most of the time they get off, which perpetuates some stupid and dangerous habits. A few fines might just save a life or two. Jonlogical
  • Score: 14

7:24pm Mon 18 Aug 14

drivingdave says...

it's not difficult to drive correctly, if you can't then you deserve everything you get
it's not difficult to drive correctly, if you can't then you deserve everything you get drivingdave
  • Score: 11

7:25pm Mon 18 Aug 14

What's Up, Doc? says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
smudge2 wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
Cheeky face wrote:
48 notices in 10 months does not equate to being enough. Just how many
traffic cops are out there?
Very few.
Most of them are in the takeaways on Fulford Road getting ready for their fitness assessment.. What with double mobile speed cameras and traffic officers being able to hand £100 fines out to anybody the soft touch motorist is getting a double whammy...The only people who will be happy are the insurance companies who will be able to hike their premiums at their next renewal. Big brother is approaching fast !!
You do not have a clue.My step son in law is a traffic cop and he has to go as far as Scarborough,dealing with pub fights in York.Takeaways in Fulford Road ?,you do not have a clue.
No offence, Chissy1 but if your stepson is a traffic cop, then you should know just how many traffic cops are out there!
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: 48 notices in 10 months does not equate to being enough. Just how many traffic cops are out there?[/p][/quote]Very few.[/p][/quote]Most of them are in the takeaways on Fulford Road getting ready for their fitness assessment.. What with double mobile speed cameras and traffic officers being able to hand £100 fines out to anybody the soft touch motorist is getting a double whammy...The only people who will be happy are the insurance companies who will be able to hike their premiums at their next renewal. Big brother is approaching fast !![/p][/quote]You do not have a clue.My step son in law is a traffic cop and he has to go as far as Scarborough,dealing with pub fights in York.Takeaways in Fulford Road ?,you do not have a clue.[/p][/quote]No offence, Chissy1 but if your stepson is a traffic cop, then you should know just how many traffic cops are out there! What's Up, Doc?
  • Score: 2

7:35pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Alfredd-g says...

Fishergate of an evening must be the safest place in the whole of York, judging by the number of police vehicles pulling up for their junk food. Don't these people have a canteen any longer, where they could perhaps buy something more healthy? As for fixed price fines, bring them on and add cyclists to the list.
Fishergate of an evening must be the safest place in the whole of York, judging by the number of police vehicles pulling up for their junk food. Don't these people have a canteen any longer, where they could perhaps buy something more healthy? As for fixed price fines, bring them on and add cyclists to the list. Alfredd-g
  • Score: 6

7:40pm Mon 18 Aug 14

smudge2 says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
smudge2 wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
Cheeky face wrote:
48 notices in 10 months does not equate to being enough. Just how many
traffic cops are out there?
Very few.
Most of them are in the takeaways on Fulford Road getting ready for their fitness assessment.. What with double mobile speed cameras and traffic officers being able to hand £100 fines out to anybody the soft touch motorist is getting a double whammy...The only people who will be happy are the insurance companies who will be able to hike their premiums at their next renewal. Big brother is approaching fast !!
You do not have a clue.My step son in law is a traffic cop and he has to go as far as Scarborough,dealing with pub fights in York.Takeaways in Fulford Road ?,you do not have a clue.
And you do not live in the real world. Which bit of "you will have to deal with fights " did you step son not listen to when he applied to join plod. ??..Stop making excuses for police officers ..The statistics are very poor and being able to claim compensation doing your job is a joke !!..
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: 48 notices in 10 months does not equate to being enough. Just how many traffic cops are out there?[/p][/quote]Very few.[/p][/quote]Most of them are in the takeaways on Fulford Road getting ready for their fitness assessment.. What with double mobile speed cameras and traffic officers being able to hand £100 fines out to anybody the soft touch motorist is getting a double whammy...The only people who will be happy are the insurance companies who will be able to hike their premiums at their next renewal. Big brother is approaching fast !![/p][/quote]You do not have a clue.My step son in law is a traffic cop and he has to go as far as Scarborough,dealing with pub fights in York.Takeaways in Fulford Road ?,you do not have a clue.[/p][/quote]And you do not live in the real world. Which bit of "you will have to deal with fights " did you step son not listen to when he applied to join plod. ??..Stop making excuses for police officers ..The statistics are very poor and being able to claim compensation doing your job is a joke !!.. smudge2
  • Score: 2

8:05pm Mon 18 Aug 14

spottycow says...

Wished they had been at PICKERING this morning when a PRATT tried to CUT IN FRONT OF ME BUT THANK GOD FOR TRAFFIC ISLANDS WHICH STOPPED HIM IN HIS TRACKS .
Wished they had been at PICKERING this morning when a PRATT tried to CUT IN FRONT OF ME BUT THANK GOD FOR TRAFFIC ISLANDS WHICH STOPPED HIM IN HIS TRACKS . spottycow
  • Score: 3

8:59pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Pedro says...

I live overlooking Knavesmire Road. White van man talking on a mobile phone hotspot. Surprised when one isn't.
I live overlooking Knavesmire Road. White van man talking on a mobile phone hotspot. Surprised when one isn't. Pedro
  • Score: 1

10:51pm Mon 18 Aug 14

greenmonkey says...

Perhaps could hand out a fixed penalty to the unmarked police vehicle (blue lights inside back window) that drove down Fishergate at about 45mph this evening?
Perhaps could hand out a fixed penalty to the unmarked police vehicle (blue lights inside back window) that drove down Fishergate at about 45mph this evening? greenmonkey
  • Score: 1

2:04am Tue 19 Aug 14

Magicman! says...

It's interesting to read these comments... as those who have questionable driving habits can be easily picked out in the above comments by how much they're protesting against a future fine being issued to them for something they haven't yet done.

You see it all the time in these police TV programmes... "oh can't you be doing something better with your time", "well that's just your word against mine", "your in-car TV screen may show that, but my driving is still perfectly good" - it's all about personal responsibility when it comes to the crunch, or rather the lack of it.

But as a final thought - 48 fines in 10 months would suggest to me that, rather than being overbearing, the NY Police are in fact erring on the side of being leniant.
It's interesting to read these comments... as those who have questionable driving habits can be easily picked out in the above comments by how much they're protesting against a future fine being issued to them for something they haven't yet done. You see it all the time in these police TV programmes... "oh can't you be doing something better with your time", "well that's just your word against mine", "your in-car TV screen may show that, but my driving is still perfectly good" - it's all about personal responsibility when it comes to the crunch, or rather the lack of it. But as a final thought - 48 fines in 10 months would suggest to me that, rather than being overbearing, the NY Police are in fact erring on the side of being leniant. Magicman!
  • Score: 8

6:10am Tue 19 Aug 14

anth!! says...

Jonlogical wrote:
There are some really dreadful drivers out there, I see them every day. Most of the time they get off, which perpetuates some stupid and dangerous habits.
A few fines might just save a life or two.
I'd give penalty notices to driving test examiners for letting some of these clown drivers on the roads.
[quote][p][bold]Jonlogical[/bold] wrote: There are some really dreadful drivers out there, I see them every day. Most of the time they get off, which perpetuates some stupid and dangerous habits. A few fines might just save a life or two.[/p][/quote]I'd give penalty notices to driving test examiners for letting some of these clown drivers on the roads. anth!!
  • Score: 4

7:12am Tue 19 Aug 14

mortandindi says...

As road users are cyclists included in this action by the police? I think not!!!
As road users are cyclists included in this action by the police? I think not!!! mortandindi
  • Score: 1

9:11am Tue 19 Aug 14

dementia says...

Much happier to see this than self financing speed vans. Re wrong lane...Motorway 2nd lane hoggers ,crossing a double line...
Much happier to see this than self financing speed vans. Re wrong lane...Motorway 2nd lane hoggers ,crossing a double line... dementia
  • Score: 2

10:07am Tue 19 Aug 14

bolero says...

You can certainly pick out the habitual offenders on here can't you. I hope you are all caught. I won't complain if I am caught breaking the law, how can I?
You can certainly pick out the habitual offenders on here can't you. I hope you are all caught. I won't complain if I am caught breaking the law, how can I? bolero
  • Score: 3

11:57am Tue 19 Aug 14

again says...

Won't be long before the nut behind the wheel is obsolete anyway. I hope.

Driving is simply a chore and there are better things I could be doing like telling you lot what I think.
Won't be long before the nut behind the wheel is obsolete anyway. I hope. Driving is simply a chore and there are better things I could be doing like telling you lot what I think. again
  • Score: 0

10:59am Thu 21 Aug 14

Mr Trellis says...

In the interest of fairness the Police should turn their attention to cyclists in York
I have the misfortune to need to drive into the city center twice a day . I can honestly say i have never done so without encountering cyclists riding the wrong way often at excessive speed or going through stop signs and traffic lights .
The are the greatest threat to safety and increase the stress levels on what are already narrow and congested roads
In the interest of fairness the Police should turn their attention to cyclists in York I have the misfortune to need to drive into the city center twice a day . I can honestly say i have never done so without encountering cyclists riding the wrong way often at excessive speed or going through stop signs and traffic lights . The are the greatest threat to safety and increase the stress levels on what are already narrow and congested roads Mr Trellis
  • Score: 1

12:51pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

anth!! wrote:
Jonlogical wrote:
There are some really dreadful drivers out there, I see them every day. Most of the time they get off, which perpetuates some stupid and dangerous habits.
A few fines might just save a life or two.
I'd give penalty notices to driving test examiners for letting some of these clown drivers on the roads.
Motorists learn to p[**** their tests. Then they forget it! Random re-testing perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]anth!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonlogical[/bold] wrote: There are some really dreadful drivers out there, I see them every day. Most of the time they get off, which perpetuates some stupid and dangerous habits. A few fines might just save a life or two.[/p][/quote]I'd give penalty notices to driving test examiners for letting some of these clown drivers on the roads.[/p][/quote]Motorists learn to p[**** their tests. Then they forget it! Random re-testing perhaps? Cheeky face
  • Score: 0

12:55pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

Mr Trellis wrote:
In the interest of fairness the Police should turn their attention to cyclists in York
I have the misfortune to need to drive into the city center twice a day . I can honestly say i have never done so without encountering cyclists riding the wrong way often at excessive speed or going through stop signs and traffic lights .
The are the greatest threat to safety and increase the stress levels on what are already narrow and congested roads
Quite right. Why not get cycling groups to have a dialogue with the council and the police ; and use the old P and R site near Moor lane to give free advice etc.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Trellis[/bold] wrote: In the interest of fairness the Police should turn their attention to cyclists in York I have the misfortune to need to drive into the city center twice a day . I can honestly say i have never done so without encountering cyclists riding the wrong way often at excessive speed or going through stop signs and traffic lights . The are the greatest threat to safety and increase the stress levels on what are already narrow and congested roads[/p][/quote]Quite right. Why not get cycling groups to have a dialogue with the council and the police ; and use the old P and R site near Moor lane to give free advice etc. Cheeky face
  • Score: 0
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