Closing Askham Grange open prison makes ‘no sense’

Askham Grange Prison, at Askham Richard. which is scheduled to close, despite a glowing report from inspectors

Askham Grange Prison, at Askham Richard. which is scheduled to close, despite a glowing report from inspectors

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CONCERNS are building over the planned closure of a women's prison in York which has been given glowing reports by inspectors.

Askham Grange open prison in Askham Richard is due to be closed by the Ministry of Justice so prisoners can serve sentences closer to home.

However the decision is understood to be the subject of a judicial review after prisoners asked for it to remain open.

The prison has a record of having among the lowest re-conviction rates in the country and is the only open prison with the facilities to allow mothers to stay with their young children.

It has also now been announced that Askham Grange has also been awarded the highest possible rating in recent inspections by Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Prisons and by Ofsted.

The inspections prove it makes "no sense" to close the prison which is an "asset to the justice system", the Prison Officers' Association (POA) said.

A spokesperson said: "Following a recent HMIP inspection HMP Askham Grange has been awarded the highest possible rating in safety, respect, purposeful activity and resettlement.

"To reinforce their success HMP Askham Grange was awarded the highest possible rating by Ofsted.

"HMP Askham Grange is an asset to the justice system in terms of rehabilitation and clearly provides value for money for the taxpayer.

"If there is to be a Rehabilitation Revolution it makes no sense to continue with plans to close HMP Askham Grange."

Earlier this year The Independent Monitoring Board described the decision to close the prison as "baffling". It warned that shutting Askham Grange open prison could lead to an increased risk of re-offending.

A prison service spokesperson would not comment at what stage the judicial review is at, only saying "discussions are ongoing between both sides".

They said: "The planned closure of the two open women’s prisons is currently subject to ongoing litigation, so it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time.

"We keep plans for our prison estate under constant review. We make sure we have the prisons we need in the most suitable locations and are able to deliver the most effective rehabilitation of all female prisoners. We will always have enough prison places for those sent to us by the courts and continue to meet the needs of female prisoners."

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12:51pm Sat 16 Aug 14

X5019c says...

They should build prisons in the Outer Hebrides. I am sick and tired of listening to bleeding heart liberals bleating on about prisoners "rights". The should have thought about their families before breaking the law. As it seems to be very hard these days to even get sent to prison, I would assume that the inmates are not there for parking offenses. Get 'em breaking rocks.
They should build prisons in the Outer Hebrides. I am sick and tired of listening to bleeding heart liberals bleating on about prisoners "rights". The should have thought about their families before breaking the law. As it seems to be very hard these days to even get sent to prison, I would assume that the inmates are not there for parking offenses. Get 'em breaking rocks. X5019c
  • Score: -13

1:10pm Sat 16 Aug 14

offa says...

X5019c, in his or her offensive bigotry, does not seem to have noticed the point that the prison in question has one of the lowest re-offending rates in the country and enables mothers and babies to be together = both of which are of benefit to the whole of society.

I suggest that X5019c applies to be a guard at a concentration camp or in the Gulag, where he/she will achieve maximum gratification
X5019c, in his or her offensive bigotry, does not seem to have noticed the point that the prison in question has one of the lowest re-offending rates in the country and enables mothers and babies to be together = both of which are of benefit to the whole of society. I suggest that X5019c applies to be a guard at a concentration camp or in the Gulag, where he/she will achieve maximum gratification offa
  • Score: 27

2:06pm Sat 16 Aug 14

X5019c says...

It may have a low re-offending rate, but would they have committed a crime in the first place if they had known that prison would not be a summer camp where they have more "rights" than their victims? I very much doubt it.
It may have a low re-offending rate, but would they have committed a crime in the first place if they had known that prison would not be a summer camp where they have more "rights" than their victims? I very much doubt it. X5019c
  • Score: -4

2:14pm Sat 16 Aug 14

BethFoxhunter96 says...

X5019c wrote:
It may have a low re-offending rate, but would they have committed a crime in the first place if they had known that prison would not be a summer camp where they have more "rights" than their victims? I very much doubt it.
No one has more rights than anyone else. Get off your high horse.

Prison is there to punish and to rehabilitate. Cutting people off from their families in the beautiful Outer Hebrides sounds all very good but as usual when you break into these populist nonsense policies you find it contradictory. Rehabilitation doesn't work if you cut people off from their families, communities and friends. That sort of policy leads to further social isolation, less chance of successful re-entry into society and high chance of repeat offending. Hang 'em and flog 'em doesn't work. The facts prove it. It's not liberals you hate hearing "bang on," it's policy experts and people with bigger brains than you.
[quote][p][bold]X5019c[/bold] wrote: It may have a low re-offending rate, but would they have committed a crime in the first place if they had known that prison would not be a summer camp where they have more "rights" than their victims? I very much doubt it.[/p][/quote]No one has more rights than anyone else. Get off your high horse. Prison is there to punish and to rehabilitate. Cutting people off from their families in the beautiful Outer Hebrides sounds all very good but as usual when you break into these populist nonsense policies you find it contradictory. Rehabilitation doesn't work if you cut people off from their families, communities and friends. That sort of policy leads to further social isolation, less chance of successful re-entry into society and high chance of repeat offending. Hang 'em and flog 'em doesn't work. The facts prove it. It's not liberals you hate hearing "bang on," it's policy experts and people with bigger brains than you. BethFoxhunter96
  • Score: 17

2:56pm Sat 16 Aug 14

nottoooldtocare says...

BethFoxhunter96 wrote:
X5019c wrote:
It may have a low re-offending rate, but would they have committed a crime in the first place if they had known that prison would not be a summer camp where they have more "rights" than their victims? I very much doubt it.
No one has more rights than anyone else. Get off your high horse.

Prison is there to punish and to rehabilitate. Cutting people off from their families in the beautiful Outer Hebrides sounds all very good but as usual when you break into these populist nonsense policies you find it contradictory. Rehabilitation doesn't work if you cut people off from their families, communities and friends. That sort of policy leads to further social isolation, less chance of successful re-entry into society and high chance of repeat offending. Hang 'em and flog 'em doesn't work. The facts prove it. It's not liberals you hate hearing "bang on," it's policy experts and people with bigger brains than you.
Ah, another area of expertise and wisdom form Betty Fox at the ripe old age of 17. You might not agree with X5019c , but many do, including myself. Sorry but if you commit crimes and get banged up then you should forfeit all those things you take for granted on the outside. Prison is there to punish and to remove the "problem" from the streets, the longer the better. There are persons in the system that are known to the courts, the police and the legal teams, who are now career criminals and the softly softly approach clearly doesn't work, so time to ramp it up a bit. Personally I would have them on a prison boat out at sea adjacent to the seven stones lightship 15 miles WNW of Land's End, Cornwall, you wouldn't need much security and it's fair to say you wouldn't get much re offending. Six weeks on that thing would deter even the most hardened criminals from going back inside. The Scots could have their own north of Port of Ness .
Here's another thought for you Betty, why don't we legalise heroin, cocaine and the like and put it in big barrels on the street corners for ease of access for those dumb enough to want it? I'm told it is easy to make, so cost isn't an issue. You would take away the root cause of most crime as they wouldn't have to steal to feed the habit. Prostitutes wouldn't have to sell themselves, pimps would lose the control and everyone is happy. Granted you would lose the odd one through OD's, but that's as a result of their choice to be a user. Worth looking into?
[quote][p][bold]BethFoxhunter96[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]X5019c[/bold] wrote: It may have a low re-offending rate, but would they have committed a crime in the first place if they had known that prison would not be a summer camp where they have more "rights" than their victims? I very much doubt it.[/p][/quote]No one has more rights than anyone else. Get off your high horse. Prison is there to punish and to rehabilitate. Cutting people off from their families in the beautiful Outer Hebrides sounds all very good but as usual when you break into these populist nonsense policies you find it contradictory. Rehabilitation doesn't work if you cut people off from their families, communities and friends. That sort of policy leads to further social isolation, less chance of successful re-entry into society and high chance of repeat offending. Hang 'em and flog 'em doesn't work. The facts prove it. It's not liberals you hate hearing "bang on," it's policy experts and people with bigger brains than you.[/p][/quote]Ah, another area of expertise and wisdom form Betty Fox at the ripe old age of 17. You might not agree with X5019c , but many do, including myself. Sorry but if you commit crimes and get banged up then you should forfeit all those things you take for granted on the outside. Prison is there to punish and to remove the "problem" from the streets, the longer the better. There are persons in the system that are known to the courts, the police and the legal teams, who are now career criminals and the softly softly approach clearly doesn't work, so time to ramp it up a bit. Personally I would have them on a prison boat out at sea adjacent to the seven stones lightship 15 miles WNW of Land's End, Cornwall, you wouldn't need much security and it's fair to say you wouldn't get much re offending. Six weeks on that thing would deter even the most hardened criminals from going back inside. The Scots could have their own north of Port of Ness . Here's another thought for you Betty, why don't we legalise heroin, cocaine and the like and put it in big barrels on the street corners for ease of access for those dumb enough to want it? I'm told it is easy to make, so cost isn't an issue. You would take away the root cause of most crime as they wouldn't have to steal to feed the habit. Prostitutes wouldn't have to sell themselves, pimps would lose the control and everyone is happy. Granted you would lose the odd one through OD's, but that's as a result of their choice to be a user. Worth looking into? nottoooldtocare
  • Score: -22

4:45pm Sat 16 Aug 14

courier46 says...

Agree with nottoooldtocare and X5019c,our justice system is way too much on the criminals side ,and that`s what even the crim`s are saying, not just decent people who are sick of our joke of so called punishment.
If there locked away there not causing misery for anyone else.
Agree with nottoooldtocare and X5019c,our justice system is way too much on the criminals side ,and that`s what even the crim`s are saying, not just decent people who are sick of our joke of so called punishment. If there locked away there not causing misery for anyone else. courier46
  • Score: 6

5:13pm Sat 16 Aug 14

spottycow says...

PRISONERS DONT HAVE RIGHTS WHEN THE GO INSIDE FULL STOP . AGREE BUILD THEM IN PLACES NO ONE CAN GET TO THEM .AND IM SICK N TIRED OF BLEEDING HEARTS ON THEIR BEHALF .
PRISONERS DONT HAVE RIGHTS WHEN THE GO INSIDE FULL STOP . AGREE BUILD THEM IN PLACES NO ONE CAN GET TO THEM .AND IM SICK N TIRED OF BLEEDING HEARTS ON THEIR BEHALF . spottycow
  • Score: -2

5:45pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Nightjar29 says...

nottoooldtocare wrote:
BethFoxhunter96 wrote:
X5019c wrote:
It may have a low re-offending rate, but would they have committed a crime in the first place if they had known that prison would not be a summer camp where they have more "rights" than their victims? I very much doubt it.
No one has more rights than anyone else. Get off your high horse.

Prison is there to punish and to rehabilitate. Cutting people off from their families in the beautiful Outer Hebrides sounds all very good but as usual when you break into these populist nonsense policies you find it contradictory. Rehabilitation doesn't work if you cut people off from their families, communities and friends. That sort of policy leads to further social isolation, less chance of successful re-entry into society and high chance of repeat offending. Hang 'em and flog 'em doesn't work. The facts prove it. It's not liberals you hate hearing "bang on," it's policy experts and people with bigger brains than you.
Ah, another area of expertise and wisdom form Betty Fox at the ripe old age of 17. You might not agree with X5019c , but many do, including myself. Sorry but if you commit crimes and get banged up then you should forfeit all those things you take for granted on the outside. Prison is there to punish and to remove the "problem" from the streets, the longer the better. There are persons in the system that are known to the courts, the police and the legal teams, who are now career criminals and the softly softly approach clearly doesn't work, so time to ramp it up a bit. Personally I would have them on a prison boat out at sea adjacent to the seven stones lightship 15 miles WNW of Land's End, Cornwall, you wouldn't need much security and it's fair to say you wouldn't get much re offending. Six weeks on that thing would deter even the most hardened criminals from going back inside. The Scots could have their own north of Port of Ness .
Here's another thought for you Betty, why don't we legalise heroin, cocaine and the like and put it in big barrels on the street corners for ease of access for those dumb enough to want it? I'm told it is easy to make, so cost isn't an issue. You would take away the root cause of most crime as they wouldn't have to steal to feed the habit. Prostitutes wouldn't have to sell themselves, pimps would lose the control and everyone is happy. Granted you would lose the odd one through OD's, but that's as a result of their choice to be a user. Worth looking into?
Hey Nottoooldtoocare. It's a shame that your obvious age and experience has not taught you any kind of opinion other than the one you have learned from the editorials of the right wing press. Not everyone in prison is a young, drug dealing, prostitute, as we have learnt from the presence there of messers; Archer, Aitken, Hamilton and Huhne. You sir, are welcome to your views and I respect your right to hold them, but your patronising attitude to BethFoxHunter96, young and female, shows you up for all that you are.
[quote][p][bold]nottoooldtocare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BethFoxhunter96[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]X5019c[/bold] wrote: It may have a low re-offending rate, but would they have committed a crime in the first place if they had known that prison would not be a summer camp where they have more "rights" than their victims? I very much doubt it.[/p][/quote]No one has more rights than anyone else. Get off your high horse. Prison is there to punish and to rehabilitate. Cutting people off from their families in the beautiful Outer Hebrides sounds all very good but as usual when you break into these populist nonsense policies you find it contradictory. Rehabilitation doesn't work if you cut people off from their families, communities and friends. That sort of policy leads to further social isolation, less chance of successful re-entry into society and high chance of repeat offending. Hang 'em and flog 'em doesn't work. The facts prove it. It's not liberals you hate hearing "bang on," it's policy experts and people with bigger brains than you.[/p][/quote]Ah, another area of expertise and wisdom form Betty Fox at the ripe old age of 17. You might not agree with X5019c , but many do, including myself. Sorry but if you commit crimes and get banged up then you should forfeit all those things you take for granted on the outside. Prison is there to punish and to remove the "problem" from the streets, the longer the better. There are persons in the system that are known to the courts, the police and the legal teams, who are now career criminals and the softly softly approach clearly doesn't work, so time to ramp it up a bit. Personally I would have them on a prison boat out at sea adjacent to the seven stones lightship 15 miles WNW of Land's End, Cornwall, you wouldn't need much security and it's fair to say you wouldn't get much re offending. Six weeks on that thing would deter even the most hardened criminals from going back inside. The Scots could have their own north of Port of Ness . Here's another thought for you Betty, why don't we legalise heroin, cocaine and the like and put it in big barrels on the street corners for ease of access for those dumb enough to want it? I'm told it is easy to make, so cost isn't an issue. You would take away the root cause of most crime as they wouldn't have to steal to feed the habit. Prostitutes wouldn't have to sell themselves, pimps would lose the control and everyone is happy. Granted you would lose the odd one through OD's, but that's as a result of their choice to be a user. Worth looking into?[/p][/quote]Hey Nottoooldtoocare. It's a shame that your obvious age and experience has not taught you any kind of opinion other than the one you have learned from the editorials of the right wing press. Not everyone in prison is a young, drug dealing, prostitute, as we have learnt from the presence there of messers; Archer, Aitken, Hamilton and Huhne. You sir, are welcome to your views and I respect your right to hold them, but your patronising attitude to BethFoxHunter96, young and female, shows you up for all that you are. Nightjar29
  • Score: 13

5:49pm Sat 16 Aug 14

twinmummy says...

Agree punishment should be sufficient to put them off offending. Prisons however are expensive and puts those without serious drug and issues all together in less than ideal mix. What I would think we want is that if someone commits a crime we do whatever is needed to stop them doing it again as quickly as possible and even perhaps contributing to society in some way. Locking them away and throwing the key away is just way too costly, capital punishment immoral so rehabilitation has to be the key if it works, which in this case it seems to.
Agree punishment should be sufficient to put them off offending. Prisons however are expensive and puts those without serious drug and issues all together in less than ideal mix. What I would think we want is that if someone commits a crime we do whatever is needed to stop them doing it again as quickly as possible and even perhaps contributing to society in some way. Locking them away and throwing the key away is just way too costly, capital punishment immoral so rehabilitation has to be the key if it works, which in this case it seems to. twinmummy
  • Score: 2

5:50pm Sat 16 Aug 14

CaroleBaines says...

X5019c wrote:
It may have a low re-offending rate, but would they have committed a crime in the first place if they had known that prison would not be a summer camp where they have more "rights" than their victims? I very much doubt it.
But people do commit crimes and with that in mind, we need regimes where they come out and not re-offend. Would be criminals do not get a map out and weigh the pros and cons of penal geography before committing offences, they probably do not consider getting caught at all in most cases.

You are funny!
[quote][p][bold]X5019c[/bold] wrote: It may have a low re-offending rate, but would they have committed a crime in the first place if they had known that prison would not be a summer camp where they have more "rights" than their victims? I very much doubt it.[/p][/quote]But people do commit crimes and with that in mind, we need regimes where they come out and not re-offend. Would be criminals do not get a map out and weigh the pros and cons of penal geography before committing offences, they probably do not consider getting caught at all in most cases. You are funny! CaroleBaines
  • Score: 2

6:16pm Sat 16 Aug 14

York2000 says...

Typical York Press comments thread here.
Typical York Press comments thread here. York2000
  • Score: 10

7:46pm Sat 16 Aug 14

offa says...

If X5091c believes what he/she put in this discussion at 2.06pm, then he/she is a fool
If X5091c believes what he/she put in this discussion at 2.06pm, then he/she is a fool offa
  • Score: -6

7:50am Sun 17 Aug 14

browbeaten says...

What has the whole thing got to do with common sense ? Its all about saving money so the above **** is absolutely irrelevant. End of discussion..
What has the whole thing got to do with common sense ? Its all about saving money so the above **** is absolutely irrelevant. End of discussion.. browbeaten
  • Score: 0

10:37am Sun 17 Aug 14

anistasia says...

spottycow wrote:
PRISONERS DONT HAVE RIGHTS WHEN THE GO INSIDE FULL STOP . AGREE BUILD THEM IN PLACES NO ONE CAN GET TO THEM .AND IM SICK N TIRED OF BLEEDING HEARTS ON THEIR BEHALF .
Prisoners have rights inside right to be protected from violence eg child abusers are segregated they have a right to education right to first aid treatment.I can't understand its a prison with a low re offending rate so something is working.people go on about over crowded prisons we need to build more if we are in that such of a need of prisons why close them.once closed what happens to offenders put them in a prison with an high reoffending rate defeating the points point of prisons.
[quote][p][bold]spottycow[/bold] wrote: PRISONERS DONT HAVE RIGHTS WHEN THE GO INSIDE FULL STOP . AGREE BUILD THEM IN PLACES NO ONE CAN GET TO THEM .AND IM SICK N TIRED OF BLEEDING HEARTS ON THEIR BEHALF .[/p][/quote]Prisoners have rights inside right to be protected from violence eg child abusers are segregated they have a right to education right to first aid treatment.I can't understand its a prison with a low re offending rate so something is working.people go on about over crowded prisons we need to build more if we are in that such of a need of prisons why close them.once closed what happens to offenders put them in a prison with an high reoffending rate defeating the points point of prisons. anistasia
  • Score: 8

10:40am Sun 17 Aug 14

Jonlogical says...

How did an article about the potential closure of an obviously good prison, turn into a malicious rant for some people?
This prison has been there for many years is clearly working well, so leave it alone.
How did an article about the potential closure of an obviously good prison, turn into a malicious rant for some people? This prison has been there for many years is clearly working well, so leave it alone. Jonlogical
  • Score: 26

12:21pm Sun 17 Aug 14

York2000 says...

Jonlogical - Welcome to the York Press comments threads. Not exactly showing the best of our city. The Press encourages right wing ranting.
Jonlogical - Welcome to the York Press comments threads. Not exactly showing the best of our city. The Press encourages right wing ranting. York2000
  • Score: 18

5:31pm Sun 17 Aug 14

MouseHouse says...

This is a prison that is excellent at what it does. Regardless of location excellence is to be maintained, not closed.
This is a prison that is excellent at what it does. Regardless of location excellence is to be maintained, not closed. MouseHouse
  • Score: 16

9:44pm Sun 17 Aug 14

eeoodares says...

Prisons do not rehabilitate, they never have and they never will.

Those that are criminally inclined will continue those that are not, will not!

It is a hope that hard labour will make them think twice, but it dose not work. as a victim of crime, I personally would like to see them breaking rocks for their entire sentences. I would also like the judiciary to send 'lifers' to prison for 10 years of hard labour with no remission and if they fail to comply add years rather than deduct them. I must seem right wing to apologists, but I am more of a realist.
Prisons do not rehabilitate, they never have and they never will. Those that are criminally inclined will continue those that are not, will not! It is a hope that hard labour will make them think twice, but it dose not work. as a victim of crime, I personally would like to see them breaking rocks for their entire sentences. I would also like the judiciary to send 'lifers' to prison for 10 years of hard labour with no remission and if they fail to comply add years rather than deduct them. I must seem right wing to apologists, but I am more of a realist. eeoodares
  • Score: -10

10:49pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Omega Point says...

spottycow wrote:
PRISONERS DONT HAVE RIGHTS WHEN THE GO INSIDE FULL STOP . AGREE BUILD THEM IN PLACES NO ONE CAN GET TO THEM .AND IM SICK N TIRED OF BLEEDING HEARTS ON THEIR BEHALF .
At least in prison those who have difficulty in writing can learn to do so. Why not join them
[quote][p][bold]spottycow[/bold] wrote: PRISONERS DONT HAVE RIGHTS WHEN THE GO INSIDE FULL STOP . AGREE BUILD THEM IN PLACES NO ONE CAN GET TO THEM .AND IM SICK N TIRED OF BLEEDING HEARTS ON THEIR BEHALF .[/p][/quote]At least in prison those who have difficulty in writing can learn to do so. Why not join them Omega Point
  • Score: 4

10:51pm Sun 17 Aug 14

courier46 says...

eeoodares wrote:
Prisons do not rehabilitate, they never have and they never will.

Those that are criminally inclined will continue those that are not, will not!

It is a hope that hard labour will make them think twice, but it dose not work. as a victim of crime, I personally would like to see them breaking rocks for their entire sentences. I would also like the judiciary to send 'lifers' to prison for 10 years of hard labour with no remission and if they fail to comply add years rather than deduct them. I must seem right wing to apologists, but I am more of a realist.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: Prisons do not rehabilitate, they never have and they never will. Those that are criminally inclined will continue those that are not, will not! It is a hope that hard labour will make them think twice, but it dose not work. as a victim of crime, I personally would like to see them breaking rocks for their entire sentences. I would also like the judiciary to send 'lifers' to prison for 10 years of hard labour with no remission and if they fail to comply add years rather than deduct them. I must seem right wing to apologists, but I am more of a realist.[/p][/quote]Well said. courier46
  • Score: -10

7:01am Mon 18 Aug 14

Y.I.P. says...

Cor blimey these liberal lefties get on my wick,bang em up throw away the key!!I Bet if copperts in York had a free hand and rounded up the couple of dozen offenders crime would plummet,so there.
Cor blimey these liberal lefties get on my wick,bang em up throw away the key!!I Bet if copperts in York had a free hand and rounded up the couple of dozen offenders crime would plummet,so there. Y.I.P.
  • Score: -10

7:06am Mon 18 Aug 14

Y.I.P. says...

X5019c wrote:
They should build prisons in the Outer Hebrides. I am sick and tired of listening to bleeding heart liberals bleating on about prisoners "rights". The should have thought about their families before breaking the law. As it seems to be very hard these days to even get sent to prison, I would assume that the inmates are not there for parking offenses. Get 'em breaking rocks.
with you on this pal,i have inside info,on clink and it is so soft and easy,have em breaking rocks or sweeping York clean
[quote][p][bold]X5019c[/bold] wrote: They should build prisons in the Outer Hebrides. I am sick and tired of listening to bleeding heart liberals bleating on about prisoners "rights". The should have thought about their families before breaking the law. As it seems to be very hard these days to even get sent to prison, I would assume that the inmates are not there for parking offenses. Get 'em breaking rocks.[/p][/quote]with you on this pal,i have inside info,on clink and it is so soft and easy,have em breaking rocks or sweeping York clean Y.I.P.
  • Score: -11

7:48am Mon 18 Aug 14

Kevin Turvey says...

‘X5019c says...
They should build prisons in the Outer Hebrides’

Wrong so so wrong on many fronts!
Why go and spoil somewhere that is beautiful! You put prisons in areas that are already horrible to look at and have a low standard of living and that are already a wasteland.

Build new prisons inside the M25 so that they will be near all the other two legged rats that is the crime capital of Londonistan!

However they are way too soft regimes!
‘X5019c says... They should build prisons in the Outer Hebrides’ Wrong so so wrong on many fronts! Why go and spoil somewhere that is beautiful! You put prisons in areas that are already horrible to look at and have a low standard of living and that are already a wasteland. Build new prisons inside the M25 so that they will be near all the other two legged rats that is the crime capital of Londonistan! However they are way too soft regimes! Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -6

7:51am Mon 18 Aug 14

Y.I.P. says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
‘X5019c says...
They should build prisons in the Outer Hebrides’

Wrong so so wrong on many fronts!
Why go and spoil somewhere that is beautiful! You put prisons in areas that are already horrible to look at and have a low standard of living and that are already a wasteland.

Build new prisons inside the M25 so that they will be near all the other two legged rats that is the crime capital of Londonistan!

However they are way too soft regimes!
Well said Kev
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: ‘X5019c says... They should build prisons in the Outer Hebrides’ Wrong so so wrong on many fronts! Why go and spoil somewhere that is beautiful! You put prisons in areas that are already horrible to look at and have a low standard of living and that are already a wasteland. Build new prisons inside the M25 so that they will be near all the other two legged rats that is the crime capital of Londonistan! However they are way too soft regimes![/p][/quote]Well said Kev Y.I.P.
  • Score: -5

5:22pm Mon 18 Aug 14

meme says...

To go to prison nowadays you need to have been a repeat offender or done something seriously wrong..
Prison should not be somewhere you may not be too bothered about going to
I agree it should try to rehabilitate but the stick must be that you never want to return so it should be tough on you. You lose the right to liberty and all that entails which includes the comforts etc you had on the outside. I don't advocate physical punishments but do think criminals should not expect any real comforts which combined with education etc should enable those with half a brain to avoid going back
However there are some who will never be dissuaded from committing acts of criminality and they are the ones who need the toughest love.
should they be allowed to vote..NO
should they be retrained ..YES
should they watch TV...NO
should they do physical excersise...yes
should they earn rewards...yes etc etc
To go to prison nowadays you need to have been a repeat offender or done something seriously wrong.. Prison should not be somewhere you may not be too bothered about going to I agree it should try to rehabilitate [that's the carrot] but the stick must be that you never want to return so it should be tough on you. You lose the right to liberty and all that entails which includes the comforts etc you had on the outside. I don't advocate physical punishments but do think criminals should not expect any real comforts which combined with education etc should enable those with half a brain to avoid going back However there are some who will never be dissuaded from committing acts of criminality and they are the ones who need the toughest love. should they be allowed to vote..NO should they be retrained ..YES should they watch TV...NO should they do physical excersise...yes should they earn rewards...yes etc etc meme
  • Score: 1

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