Growing fears over height of proposed apartment blocks on former Terry's site

Growing fears over height of proposed apartment blocks on former Terry's site

Growing fears over height of proposed apartment blocks on former Terry's site

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RESIDENTS living near the former Terry's chocolate factory in York have raised growing concerns about the size and scale of apartment blocks now being planned for the site.

They have also told of their dismay at the scrapping of original proposals to build a new medical centre, nursing home and nursery, and replace them with the blocks of flats up to six storeys high.

Detailed plans for the second phase of the re-development of the site off Bishopthorpe Road were recently submitted to City of York Council by David Wilson Homes Yorkshire East.

Tina Fowler, who collected 3,500 signatures for a petition calling for trees along the boundary to be saved to mitigate the visual impact, said it had now been agreed that such vegetation would be retained, and she welcomed this move.

But she said she and many other local residents were concerned that the new apartment blocks would be overbearing, and were also worried about the disappearance of the community facilities, with existing doctors' surgeries in the area already very full.

Other local residents, such as Michael Ruane, of Bishopthorpe Road, have also written to The Press to say the proposed blocks are out of scale with housing in the area.

A council spokeswoman confirmed that the new proposal allowed for a number of five and six storey apartment blocks fronting onto Bishopthorpe Road, with a part seven-storey block at the junction of Bishopthorpe Road and Campleshon Road.

"In terms of the range of uses specified in the Outline Permission, David Wilson Homes have previously indicated that it would not now prove viable to provide on the previously indicated basis."

She added that subject to the receipt of amended plans, the proposal was likely to be considered at the main planning committee next month.

The firm's development director Peter Morris said that when it bought the site, the scheme included a number of potential uses which had been proposed in 2009.

"As time has moved on, the demand for new homes for local people has increased and it made sense to review what development would now be most appropriate," he said.

"That is why we have put in a fresh application for the remainder of our site. It makes sense to focus the site on meeting that growing housing need and, as quality house builders, that’s what we are best at doing." He claimed the proposal would complement adjacent development.

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10:27am Wed 13 Aug 14

Fanny Free House says...

Come on Bishy Road residents, celebrate have a street party and embrace progress.

Whats happened to your TDF spirit, surely your not really ordinary people with opinions opposed to development which could see thousand of people moving in to enjoy your much applauded community.

Kirsten, sort them out, they will ruin all your legacy plans.
Come on Bishy Road residents, celebrate have a street party and embrace progress. Whats happened to your TDF spirit, surely your not really ordinary people with opinions opposed to development which could see thousand of people moving in to enjoy your much applauded community. Kirsten, sort them out, they will ruin all your legacy plans. Fanny Free House
  • Score: 9

10:40am Wed 13 Aug 14

Yeller Belly says...

How long has the Terry's factory been there? And all of a sudden they're worried about overbearing structures?

I wonder what effect all these new flats will have on traffic volume, availability of primary school places, and house prices..?
How long has the Terry's factory been there? And all of a sudden they're worried about overbearing structures? I wonder what effect all these new flats will have on traffic volume, availability of primary school places, and house prices..? Yeller Belly
  • Score: 7

10:42am Wed 13 Aug 14

notmyrealname says...

...never get a seat in the Pig and Pastry now
...never get a seat in the Pig and Pastry now notmyrealname
  • Score: 18

10:44am Wed 13 Aug 14

Yeller Belly says...

notmyrealname wrote:
...never get a seat in the Pig and Pastry now
what's new?
[quote][p][bold]notmyrealname[/bold] wrote: ...never get a seat in the Pig and Pastry now[/p][/quote]what's new? Yeller Belly
  • Score: 8

10:45am Wed 13 Aug 14

Fanny Free House says...

Emergency meeting at the Golden Ball.

Bishy Road Residents not toeing the line.
Emergency meeting at the Golden Ball. Bishy Road Residents not toeing the line. Fanny Free House
  • Score: -1

11:00am Wed 13 Aug 14

It's your round says...

I suppose this will lead to more folk moaning on race days then?!
I suppose this will lead to more folk moaning on race days then?! It's your round
  • Score: 6

11:34am Wed 13 Aug 14

sheddie says...

Wish they'd get on and fix the clocks on the Terry's tower.
Wish they'd get on and fix the clocks on the Terry's tower. sheddie
  • Score: 35

11:57am Wed 13 Aug 14

the original Homer says...

Don't know what you mean sheddie.

Look at the time of your post and look at the photo.
Don't know what you mean sheddie. Look at the time of your post and look at the photo. the original Homer
  • Score: 16

12:33pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Jackanory2 says...

It's your round wrote:
I suppose this will lead to more folk moaning on race days then?!
Ha ha nice one.
[quote][p][bold]It's your round[/bold] wrote: I suppose this will lead to more folk moaning on race days then?![/p][/quote]Ha ha nice one. Jackanory2
  • Score: 12

12:33pm Wed 13 Aug 14

meme says...

If people don't want green belt development then the only way to go is to maximise the densities on existing sites which means height which Yorkies are not used to
We have to get used to it as this is the future. Lots will say there are more suitable places to build high but where are they?
its not desirable but necessary
If people don't want green belt development then the only way to go is to maximise the densities on existing sites which means height which Yorkies are not used to We have to get used to it as this is the future. Lots will say there are more suitable places to build high but where are they? its not desirable but necessary meme
  • Score: 10

1:51pm Wed 13 Aug 14

anth!! says...

It's your round wrote:
I suppose this will lead to more folk moaning on race days then?!
Crow.
[quote][p][bold]It's your round[/bold] wrote: I suppose this will lead to more folk moaning on race days then?![/p][/quote]Crow. anth!!
  • Score: -5

3:06pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Badgers Drift says...

Despite all the hype by James Alexander about how Barratt subsidiary David Wilson Homes were able to make the council's affordable housing policy work on this site, here we have proof that it is not the case, without a massive punt in density, beyond what the council had previously consented to.
Despite all the hype by James Alexander about how Barratt subsidiary David Wilson Homes were able to make the council's affordable housing policy work on this site, here we have proof that it is not the case, without a massive punt in density, beyond what the council had previously consented to. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -20

3:45pm Wed 13 Aug 14

meme says...

I don't always agree with Badger but he is right here. The only way to pay for the affordables is to increase density and reduce cost per plot. A side effect of the council cabals planning policy. So densities go up, completion numbers stagnate, locals get angry at standard and we all suffer due to the council policies!
But given the numbers required for new homes in York there is no other way to go even if we do sacrifice some green belt. There is no choice; its a case of how much!
I don't always agree with Badger but he is right here. The only way to pay for the affordables is to increase density and reduce cost per plot. A side effect of the council cabals planning policy. So densities go up, completion numbers stagnate, locals get angry at standard and we all suffer due to the council policies! But given the numbers required for new homes in York there is no other way to go even if we do sacrifice some green belt. There is no choice; its a case of how much! meme
  • Score: 5

4:34pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Monks Boss says...

They only thing i disagree with are the design of the flat roofed houses i think they look cheap and nasty,no thought went into these at all.I think this development will have a detrimental effect on the neighbouring houses and community it will no longer be yuppyville.
They only thing i disagree with are the design of the flat roofed houses i think they look cheap and nasty,no thought went into these at all.I think this development will have a detrimental effect on the neighbouring houses and community it will no longer be yuppyville. Monks Boss
  • Score: 12

4:37pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Monks Boss says...

the original Homer wrote:
Don't know what you mean sheddie.

Look at the time of your post and look at the photo.
Very well observed! Nice one.
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: Don't know what you mean sheddie. Look at the time of your post and look at the photo.[/p][/quote]Very well observed! Nice one. Monks Boss
  • Score: 16

7:24pm Wed 13 Aug 14

pedalling paul says...

The time appears to be O past E...........! Unfortunately developers are having a field day until we agree a Local Development Framework with Whitehall.
The time appears to be O past E...........! Unfortunately developers are having a field day until we agree a Local Development Framework with Whitehall. pedalling paul
  • Score: 30

8:42pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Bo Jolly says...

The plans will go in soon for affordable housing on the car park next to Bishy Road shops.

The car park is pretty useless anyway since most customers walk or cycle to the shops there and I guess you could fit at least twenty or so social houses on the plot.

Come on council, get building!
The plans will go in soon for affordable housing on the car park next to Bishy Road shops. The car park is pretty useless anyway since most customers walk or cycle to the shops there and I guess you could fit at least twenty or so social houses on the plot. Come on council, get building! Bo Jolly
  • Score: -1

8:51pm Wed 13 Aug 14

smudge2 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The time appears to be O past E...........! Unfortunately developers are having a field day until we agree a Local Development Framework with Whitehall.
Hope they will provide secured cycle storage for residents and coat hooks for brown anoraks.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The time appears to be O past E...........! Unfortunately developers are having a field day until we agree a Local Development Framework with Whitehall.[/p][/quote]Hope they will provide secured cycle storage for residents and coat hooks for brown anoraks. smudge2
  • Score: 2

9:21pm Wed 13 Aug 14

york central says...

My problem is the prison like view of these structures.
David Wilson Homes must think people buy their bs excuses. Yes we all know about housing needs. It hasn't changed for the last 25 years.
Im honestly fed up with the Bishy Road hysteria, South Bank has been invaded by a bunch of 10pence millionairesand snobs who sneer or snub you if your not seen at over priced and extremely salty bread shop known as the pig and pastry. Queing for bread like some soviet state shop. Please give it a rest.
My problem is the prison like view of these structures. David Wilson Homes must think people buy their bs excuses. Yes we all know about housing needs. It hasn't changed for the last 25 years. Im honestly fed up with the Bishy Road hysteria, South Bank has been invaded by a bunch of 10pence millionairesand snobs who sneer or snub you if your not seen at over priced and extremely salty bread shop known as the pig and pastry. Queing for bread like some soviet state shop. Please give it a rest. york central
  • Score: 10

9:53pm Wed 13 Aug 14

eeoodares says...

Bo Jolly wrote:
The plans will go in soon for affordable housing on the car park next to Bishy Road shops.

The car park is pretty useless anyway since most customers walk or cycle to the shops there and I guess you could fit at least twenty or so social houses on the plot.

Come on council, get building!
Why is the car park always full then?
[quote][p][bold]Bo Jolly[/bold] wrote: The plans will go in soon for affordable housing on the car park next to Bishy Road shops. The car park is pretty useless anyway since most customers walk or cycle to the shops there and I guess you could fit at least twenty or so social houses on the plot. Come on council, get building![/p][/quote]Why is the car park always full then? eeoodares
  • Score: 6

12:33am Thu 14 Aug 14

ArchieBod says...

York doesn' t need more flats, it needs houses.

It's a shame that the Grantside proposal wasn't passed. The site is a wonderful opportunity for mixed use - not for another Hungate or Barbican.

The area will need a school and other amenities - I can't believe the Planners will allow these to be scrapped in favour of another Buy to Let mecca.
York doesn' t need more flats, it needs houses. It's a shame that the Grantside proposal wasn't passed. The site is a wonderful opportunity for mixed use - not for another Hungate or Barbican. The area will need a school and other amenities - I can't believe the Planners will allow these to be scrapped in favour of another Buy to Let mecca. ArchieBod
  • Score: 18

1:26am Thu 14 Aug 14

Dave Ruddock says...

anyone know whats happening with the car park opposite Terrys
anyone know whats happening with the car park opposite Terrys Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -3

1:43am Thu 14 Aug 14

Magicman! says...

You don't get communities just by building houses. Look at the Brecks Lane end of Strensall - it has a 'village square' area, but do people use it? no, it's pretty much deserted most of the time... and this is the thing, without any sort of hub then people who live in the houses just tootle off in their cars in the morning to go to work, and come home via the supermarkets or other shops and then go back in the house. Whilst at the same time, those extra houses put more demand on existing infastructure such as roads, utilities, schools, surgeries etc - none of which have been upgraded to cope with the extra demand.

By all means build more houses to meet the demand for them, but developers also need to build the other aspects that support such a growth in housing for an area... any developer that fails to do so is purely and simply socially irresponsible.
You don't get communities just by building houses. Look at the Brecks Lane end of Strensall - it has a 'village square' area, but do people use it? no, it's pretty much deserted most of the time... and this is the thing, without any sort of hub then people who live in the houses just tootle off in their cars in the morning to go to work, and come home via the supermarkets or other shops and then go back in the house. Whilst at the same time, those extra houses put more demand on existing infastructure such as roads, utilities, schools, surgeries etc - none of which have been upgraded to cope with the extra demand. By all means build more houses to meet the demand for them, but developers also need to build the other aspects that support such a growth in housing for an area... any developer that fails to do so is purely and simply socially irresponsible. Magicman!
  • Score: 18

9:03am Thu 14 Aug 14

meme says...

Unfortunately the Grantside proposal was unviable and they went bust because of it!
The developers who bought this are trying to maximise a return on a very difficult site which is made more difficult by the planners demands
When there are huge added costs these must be re-cooped somehow or developers don't build and we don't get the houses York needs. density is one way to do this. The only other way is to build less number son sites ie 14 or less so affordable costs don't kick in. Patently not going to happen on this site.
The delays caused by planning with Grantside scheme meant they missed the economic boat and its now a rescue situation rather than a celebration of what could have been.
Perhaps we can learn from this.... IE unnecessary interference by desk bound supposed experts causes huge issues down the line to the detriment of all of us.
Unfortunately the Grantside proposal was unviable and they went bust because of it! The developers who bought this are trying to maximise a return on a very difficult site which is made more difficult by the planners demands [see the conditions attached to planning permission] When there are huge added costs these must be re-cooped somehow or developers don't build and we don't get the houses York needs. density is one way to do this. The only other way is to build less number son sites ie 14 or less so affordable costs don't kick in. Patently not going to happen on this site. The delays caused by planning with Grantside scheme meant they missed the economic boat and its now a rescue situation rather than a celebration of what could have been. Perhaps we can learn from this.... IE unnecessary interference by desk bound supposed experts causes huge issues down the line to the detriment of all of us. meme
  • Score: 1

9:24am Thu 14 Aug 14

alanyork says...

eeoodares wrote:
Bo Jolly wrote:
The plans will go in soon for affordable housing on the car park next to Bishy Road shops.

The car park is pretty useless anyway since most customers walk or cycle to the shops there and I guess you could fit at least twenty or so social houses on the plot.

Come on council, get building!
Why is the car park always full then?
C'MON THEY WALK INTO TOWN FROM THERE BECAUSE ITS CHEAPEST CAR PARK AROUND----THATS WHY as if you didnt know !
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bo Jolly[/bold] wrote: The plans will go in soon for affordable housing on the car park next to Bishy Road shops. The car park is pretty useless anyway since most customers walk or cycle to the shops there and I guess you could fit at least twenty or so social houses on the plot. Come on council, get building![/p][/quote]Why is the car park always full then?[/p][/quote]C'MON THEY WALK INTO TOWN FROM THERE BECAUSE ITS CHEAPEST CAR PARK AROUND----THATS WHY as if you didnt know ! alanyork
  • Score: 9

11:11am Thu 14 Aug 14

vanmildert says...

york central wrote:
My problem is the prison like view of these structures.
David Wilson Homes must think people buy their bs excuses. Yes we all know about housing needs. It hasn't changed for the last 25 years.
Im honestly fed up with the Bishy Road hysteria, South Bank has been invaded by a bunch of 10pence millionairesand snobs who sneer or snub you if your not seen at over priced and extremely salty bread shop known as the pig and pastry. Queing for bread like some soviet state shop. Please give it a rest.
If you live near Bishy Road and don't like the fact that the shops and atmosphere are a hundred times better than they used to be then move somewhere else. If you don't live near Bishy Road then I'm sure we are all delighted.
[quote][p][bold]york central[/bold] wrote: My problem is the prison like view of these structures. David Wilson Homes must think people buy their bs excuses. Yes we all know about housing needs. It hasn't changed for the last 25 years. Im honestly fed up with the Bishy Road hysteria, South Bank has been invaded by a bunch of 10pence millionairesand snobs who sneer or snub you if your not seen at over priced and extremely salty bread shop known as the pig and pastry. Queing for bread like some soviet state shop. Please give it a rest.[/p][/quote]If you live near Bishy Road and don't like the fact that the shops and atmosphere are a hundred times better than they used to be then move somewhere else. If you don't live near Bishy Road then I'm sure we are all delighted. vanmildert
  • Score: -1

11:23am Thu 14 Aug 14

suzymf says...

Totally agree that York needs less flats and more houses with outside space. After experiencing life in a high rise I know that people can feel a sense of isolation. I feel these should only be built as a last resort. I think the developers are only interested in profit and not peoples wellbeing. Surely they should give consideration to community centres, health and child care units etc.
Totally agree that York needs less flats and more houses with outside space. After experiencing life in a high rise I know that people can feel a sense of isolation. I feel these should only be built as a last resort. I think the developers are only interested in profit and not peoples wellbeing. Surely they should give consideration to community centres, health and child care units etc. suzymf
  • Score: 13

4:35pm Thu 14 Aug 14

york central says...

vanmildert wrote:
york central wrote:
My problem is the prison like view of these structures.
David Wilson Homes must think people buy their bs excuses. Yes we all know about housing needs. It hasn't changed for the last 25 years.
Im honestly fed up with the Bishy Road hysteria, South Bank has been invaded by a bunch of 10pence millionairesand snobs who sneer or snub you if your not seen at over priced and extremely salty bread shop known as the pig and pastry. Queing for bread like some soviet state shop. Please give it a rest.
If you live near Bishy Road and don't like the fact that the shops and atmosphere are a hundred times better than they used to be then move somewhere else. If you don't live near Bishy Road then I'm sure we are all delighted.
100 times better ?
Since when ?
Being a resident for 45 years I have a very good idea of its history.
I dont need people driving in from 20 miles away for a danish pastry only to be horrified they haven't got any.
Great to see dressing for events. FYI . Its August and the TDF has finished.
Its resembling a circus more now.
It also contains a certain food establishment which has been found to have several illegal immigrant workers there on 2 occasions.
I also the Vets on Butcher Terrace need to keep their cars parked on the road not on the path.
[quote][p][bold]vanmildert[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]york central[/bold] wrote: My problem is the prison like view of these structures. David Wilson Homes must think people buy their bs excuses. Yes we all know about housing needs. It hasn't changed for the last 25 years. Im honestly fed up with the Bishy Road hysteria, South Bank has been invaded by a bunch of 10pence millionairesand snobs who sneer or snub you if your not seen at over priced and extremely salty bread shop known as the pig and pastry. Queing for bread like some soviet state shop. Please give it a rest.[/p][/quote]If you live near Bishy Road and don't like the fact that the shops and atmosphere are a hundred times better than they used to be then move somewhere else. If you don't live near Bishy Road then I'm sure we are all delighted.[/p][/quote]100 times better ? Since when ? Being a resident for 45 years I have a very good idea of its history. I dont need people driving in from 20 miles away for a danish pastry only to be horrified they haven't got any. Great to see dressing for events. FYI . Its August and the TDF has finished. Its resembling a circus more now. It also contains a certain food establishment which has been found to have several illegal immigrant workers there on 2 occasions. I also the Vets on Butcher Terrace need to keep their cars parked on the road not on the path. york central
  • Score: 2

11:32am Fri 15 Aug 14

bloodaxe says...

meme wrote:
If people don't want green belt development then the only way to go is to maximise the densities on existing sites which means height which Yorkies are not used to
We have to get used to it as this is the future. Lots will say there are more suitable places to build high but where are they?
its not desirable but necessary
Quite a lot of structures in York over six storeys. They don't impinge on the skyline.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: If people don't want green belt development then the only way to go is to maximise the densities on existing sites which means height which Yorkies are not used to We have to get used to it as this is the future. Lots will say there are more suitable places to build high but where are they? its not desirable but necessary[/p][/quote]Quite a lot of structures in York over six storeys. They don't impinge on the skyline. bloodaxe
  • Score: -3

11:35am Fri 15 Aug 14

bloodaxe says...

york central wrote:
My problem is the prison like view of these structures.
David Wilson Homes must think people buy their bs excuses. Yes we all know about housing needs. It hasn't changed for the last 25 years.
Im honestly fed up with the Bishy Road hysteria, South Bank has been invaded by a bunch of 10pence millionairesand snobs who sneer or snub you if your not seen at over priced and extremely salty bread shop known as the pig and pastry. Queing for bread like some soviet state shop. Please give it a rest.
Oh dear.
[quote][p][bold]york central[/bold] wrote: My problem is the prison like view of these structures. David Wilson Homes must think people buy their bs excuses. Yes we all know about housing needs. It hasn't changed for the last 25 years. Im honestly fed up with the Bishy Road hysteria, South Bank has been invaded by a bunch of 10pence millionairesand snobs who sneer or snub you if your not seen at over priced and extremely salty bread shop known as the pig and pastry. Queing for bread like some soviet state shop. Please give it a rest.[/p][/quote]Oh dear. bloodaxe
  • Score: -1

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