Tougher drink-drive laws on the way?

Are stricter drink-drive on the way?

Are stricter drink-drive on the way?

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A SINGLE pint of beer could be enough to put motorists over the drink-drive limit, if a crackdown backed by some MPs is approved.

Proposals for much tougher drink-driving laws will be raised in the Commons today, along with calls for warnings on alcoholic drinks similar to those on cigarette packets, it was reported yesterday.

National media yesterday reported that the proposals to be tabled include reducing the drink-drive limit from 80 milligrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres of blood to 50mg per 100ml, which could mean a single pint of a strong lager or a large glass of wine could put a driver over the limit.

The suggestions are in a new manifesto by the All Party Parliamentary Group On Alcohol Misuse.

Tim Madgwick, North Yorkshire's Deputy Chief Constable, called earlier this summer for stricter limits and tougher punishments for drink-drivers.

Writing in The Press in June, he called for a zero-tolerance limit of 20mg per 100ml of breath, which allows only for naturally-occurring blood alcohol.

He said: "Our current drink drive law asks people who have been drinking to guess whether they are over the limit, and whether they are safe to drive. In practice, this is impossible. All the research shows even small amounts of alcohol, less than the legal limit, can severely impact your judgement and reactions and make you more likely to crash. We should not be sending the misleading message that under the limit means safe – we should be absolutely clear: not a drop for the road."

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11:26am Mon 11 Aug 14

JHardacre says...

Needs to apply to cyclists too if it comes into force.
Needs to apply to cyclists too if it comes into force. JHardacre
  • Score: 30

11:27am Mon 11 Aug 14

razor08 says...

I personally reckon the only answer any drink no driving it is just what I do. Then there is no argument about the level of alcohol/blood figures.
I personally reckon the only answer any drink no driving it is just what I do. Then there is no argument about the level of alcohol/blood figures. razor08
  • Score: 16

12:07pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Jazzper says...

I agree don't drink and drive, but I just wish pubs would stop ripping off drivers by charging such extortionate prices for soft drinks!
I agree don't drink and drive, but I just wish pubs would stop ripping off drivers by charging such extortionate prices for soft drinks! Jazzper
  • Score: 39

12:08pm Mon 11 Aug 14

gravitydrips says...

You know you can actually drive a car safely after drinking a glass of wine or a pint of beer. The liberal twittering hysterics who jump up and down clutching their nethers about EVERYTHING in this world THEY don't agree with would do well remember that. This is just another excuse to attack the British country pub and to make it look like their DOING SOMETHING about genuine problem drink driving.
Also can I ask who is going to catch these absolutely horrendously half a pint of beer drink drivers in rural Yorkshire? I cycle and walk all over rural North/West Yorkshire and can go weeks without seeing one single police officer.
You know you can actually drive a car safely after drinking a glass of wine or a pint of beer. The liberal twittering hysterics who jump up and down clutching their nethers about EVERYTHING in this world THEY don't agree with would do well remember that. This is just another excuse to attack the British country pub and to make it look like their DOING SOMETHING about genuine problem drink driving. Also can I ask who is going to catch these absolutely horrendously half a pint of beer drink drivers in rural Yorkshire? I cycle and walk all over rural North/West Yorkshire and can go weeks without seeing one single police officer. gravitydrips
  • Score: 8

12:26pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Mullarkian says...

'All the research shows even small amounts of alcohol, less than the legal limit, can severely impact your judgement and reactions and make you more likely to crash' - Absolute drivel!
This is the typical standard garbage trotted out by the 'authorities' when they want to impose yet more restrictions on 'joe public'.
'All the research shows even small amounts of alcohol, less than the legal limit, can severely impact your judgement and reactions and make you more likely to crash' - Absolute drivel! This is the typical standard garbage trotted out by the 'authorities' when they want to impose yet more restrictions on 'joe public'. Mullarkian
  • Score: 2

12:34pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Omega Point says...

Mullarkian wrote:
'All the research shows even small amounts of alcohol, less than the legal limit, can severely impact your judgement and reactions and make you more likely to crash' - Absolute drivel!
This is the typical standard garbage trotted out by the 'authorities' when they want to impose yet more restrictions on 'joe public'.
So present your alternative research, after all most sensible people go with the professional and researched when it come to say their health. At least climate change denial folk give some science, your cxomment is just a vacouos knee-jerk comment based on nothing
[quote][p][bold]Mullarkian[/bold] wrote: 'All the research shows even small amounts of alcohol, less than the legal limit, can severely impact your judgement and reactions and make you more likely to crash' - Absolute drivel! This is the typical standard garbage trotted out by the 'authorities' when they want to impose yet more restrictions on 'joe public'.[/p][/quote]So present your alternative research, after all most sensible people go with the professional and researched when it come to say their health. At least climate change denial folk give some science, your cxomment is just a vacouos knee-jerk comment based on nothing Omega Point
  • Score: 0

12:37pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Dave Ruddock says...

Agree DRINK the NO Drive.
Just Like the Bankers is about time that Government in pose this as a good number of drivers cant gt it through skulls.
Ban Advertising, that,s Off licences, Pubs Clubs, Supermarkets, Cheap drinks.
Police get the powers to sieve vehicles on the spot.
Agree DRINK the NO Drive. Just Like the Bankers is about time that Government in pose this as a good number of drivers cant gt it through skulls. Ban Advertising, that,s Off licences, Pubs Clubs, Supermarkets, Cheap drinks. Police get the powers to sieve vehicles on the spot. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -13

1:02pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Happy Chappie says...

Genuine question/comment, not looking for smart ar&ed answers. Does Zero tolerance mean that something as simple as lets say Sherry trifle , Liqueur chocolates both eaten in moderation is going to render even a devout teetotaller a criminal. For the record I am 110% against drinking and driving.
Genuine question/comment, not looking for smart ar&ed answers. Does Zero tolerance mean that something as simple as lets say Sherry trifle , Liqueur chocolates both eaten in moderation is going to render even a devout teetotaller a criminal. For the record I am 110% against drinking and driving. Happy Chappie
  • Score: 18

1:25pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TheTruthHurts says...

Happy Chappie wrote:
Genuine question/comment, not looking for smart ar&ed answers. Does Zero tolerance mean that something as simple as lets say Sherry trifle , Liqueur chocolates both eaten in moderation is going to render even a devout teetotaller a criminal. For the record I am 110% against drinking and driving.
It is not quite zero tolerance that is being advised, to allow for such events.

Personally I dont think that it is a bad idea. I dont mind the odd drink but I have never once had one when I know that I am going to be driving.... i mean whats the point?
[quote][p][bold]Happy Chappie[/bold] wrote: Genuine question/comment, not looking for smart ar&ed answers. Does Zero tolerance mean that something as simple as lets say Sherry trifle , Liqueur chocolates both eaten in moderation is going to render even a devout teetotaller a criminal. For the record I am 110% against drinking and driving.[/p][/quote]It is not quite zero tolerance that is being advised, to allow for such events. Personally I dont think that it is a bad idea. I dont mind the odd drink but I have never once had one when I know that I am going to be driving.... i mean whats the point? TheTruthHurts
  • Score: 9

2:05pm Mon 11 Aug 14

far2bizzy says...

"Our current drink drive law asks people who have been drinking to guess whether they are over the limit, and whether they are safe to drive. In practice, this is impossible.”

And how is lowering the limit is going to change that? So you’ve had a few drinks the night before and the limit is now 20 not 80. You’re more likely to be breaking the law, but how are you going to know? – To quote Mr. Madgwick “In practice this is impossible”.
"Our current drink drive law asks people who have been drinking to guess whether they are over the limit, and whether they are safe to drive. In practice, this is impossible.” And how is lowering the limit is going to change that? So you’ve had a few drinks the night before and the limit is now 20 not 80. You’re more likely to be breaking the law, but how are you going to know? – To quote Mr. Madgwick “In practice this is impossible”. far2bizzy
  • Score: 4

2:13pm Mon 11 Aug 14

SRT_CM says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
Agree DRINK the NO Drive.
Just Like the Bankers is about time that Government in pose this as a good number of drivers cant gt it through skulls.
Ban Advertising, that,s Off licences, Pubs Clubs, Supermarkets, Cheap drinks.
Police get the powers to sieve vehicles on the spot.
Are you drunk right now?
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: Agree DRINK the NO Drive. Just Like the Bankers is about time that Government in pose this as a good number of drivers cant gt it through skulls. Ban Advertising, that,s Off licences, Pubs Clubs, Supermarkets, Cheap drinks. Police get the powers to sieve vehicles on the spot.[/p][/quote]Are you drunk right now? SRT_CM
  • Score: 11

2:14pm Mon 11 Aug 14

baldiebiker says...

If one in seven drivers who are in fatal accident has been drinking what about the other six who are sober, whats their excuse? theres no excuse for driving over the limit but its not just drink that causes accidents its bad driving.
If one in seven drivers who are in fatal accident has been drinking what about the other six who are sober, whats their excuse? theres no excuse for driving over the limit but its not just drink that causes accidents its bad driving. baldiebiker
  • Score: 17

2:38pm Mon 11 Aug 14

goatman says...

By all means reduce the limit.

By all means enforce the law on the usage of mobile phones whilst driving, too. Just as lethal!
By all means reduce the limit. By all means enforce the law on the usage of mobile phones whilst driving, too. Just as lethal! goatman
  • Score: 11

3:15pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Ichabod76 says...

baldiebiker wrote:
If one in seven drivers who are in fatal accident has been drinking what about the other six who are sober, whats their excuse? theres no excuse for driving over the limit but its not just drink that causes accidents its bad driving.
Maybe the other 6 were riding motorbikes ?
[quote][p][bold]baldiebiker[/bold] wrote: If one in seven drivers who are in fatal accident has been drinking what about the other six who are sober, whats their excuse? theres no excuse for driving over the limit but its not just drink that causes accidents its bad driving.[/p][/quote]Maybe the other 6 were riding motorbikes ? Ichabod76
  • Score: 1

3:22pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Ichabod76 says...

far2bizzy wrote:
"Our current drink drive law asks people who have been drinking to guess whether they are over the limit, and whether they are safe to drive. In practice, this is impossible.”

And how is lowering the limit is going to change that? So you’ve had a few drinks the night before and the limit is now 20 not 80. You’re more likely to be breaking the law, but how are you going to know? – To quote Mr. Madgwick “In practice this is impossible”.
I was hit by a driver who had been out drinking the night before.
He probably thought he was ok to drive
He won't be doing it again though, he died at the scene.
[quote][p][bold]far2bizzy[/bold] wrote: "Our current drink drive law asks people who have been drinking to guess whether they are over the limit, and whether they are safe to drive. In practice, this is impossible.” And how is lowering the limit is going to change that? So you’ve had a few drinks the night before and the limit is now 20 not 80. You’re more likely to be breaking the law, but how are you going to know? – To quote Mr. Madgwick “In practice this is impossible”.[/p][/quote]I was hit by a driver who had been out drinking the night before. He probably thought he was ok to drive He won't be doing it again though, he died at the scene. Ichabod76
  • Score: 2

3:34pm Mon 11 Aug 14

mrcharly says...

JHardacre wrote:
Needs to apply to cyclists too if it comes into force.
Absolutely agree. The death toll from these two-wheeled menaces is horrendous and must be stopped.
[quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: Needs to apply to cyclists too if it comes into force.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. The death toll from these two-wheeled menaces is horrendous and must be stopped. mrcharly
  • Score: 8

7:59pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Oncebitten says...

It makes little difference if the law is changed or not if their are insufficient numbers of police to tackle the issue....zero or not you have to be caught to be prosecuted. ..... Tim Madgwick can call for all the bans he wants but until he has enough police to police it , it won't make a blind bit of difference.....
It makes little difference if the law is changed or not if their are insufficient numbers of police to tackle the issue....zero or not you have to be caught to be prosecuted. ..... Tim Madgwick can call for all the bans he wants but until he has enough police to police it , it won't make a blind bit of difference..... Oncebitten
  • Score: 5

8:02pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Oncebitten says...

Oncebitten wrote:
It makes little difference if the law is changed or not if their are insufficient numbers of police to tackle the issue....zero or not you have to be caught to be prosecuted. ..... Tim Madgwick can call for all the bans he wants but until he has enough police to police it , it won't make a blind bit of difference.....
BTW forgot to mention how about we carry breathalysers in our cars like the French have to by law............
[quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: It makes little difference if the law is changed or not if their are insufficient numbers of police to tackle the issue....zero or not you have to be caught to be prosecuted. ..... Tim Madgwick can call for all the bans he wants but until he has enough police to police it , it won't make a blind bit of difference.....[/p][/quote]BTW forgot to mention how about we carry breathalysers in our cars like the French have to by law............ Oncebitten
  • Score: 2

8:57pm Mon 11 Aug 14

jmfp110 says...

Why not make the Drink Driving limit really easy, No alcohol at all - simple, then nobody will be confused about the limit.
Why not make the Drink Driving limit really easy, No alcohol at all - simple, then nobody will be confused about the limit. jmfp110
  • Score: 0

10:04pm Mon 11 Aug 14

AnotherPointofView says...

jmfp110 wrote:
Why not make the Drink Driving limit really easy, No alcohol at all - simple, then nobody will be confused about the limit.
Read the article. It says 0% is impossible as there is naturally occurring blood alcohol.
[quote][p][bold]jmfp110[/bold] wrote: Why not make the Drink Driving limit really easy, No alcohol at all - simple, then nobody will be confused about the limit.[/p][/quote]Read the article. It says 0% is impossible as there is naturally occurring blood alcohol. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 4

11:39pm Mon 11 Aug 14

baldiebiker says...

I don't feed the trolls, oops I just have?
I don't feed the trolls, oops I just have? baldiebiker
  • Score: -3

10:27am Tue 12 Aug 14

eeoodares says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
Agree DRINK the NO Drive.
Just Like the Bankers is about time that Government in pose this as a good number of drivers cant gt it through skulls.
Ban Advertising, that,s Off licences, Pubs Clubs, Supermarkets, Cheap drinks.
Police get the powers to sieve vehicles on the spot.
What is your first language.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: Agree DRINK the NO Drive. Just Like the Bankers is about time that Government in pose this as a good number of drivers cant gt it through skulls. Ban Advertising, that,s Off licences, Pubs Clubs, Supermarkets, Cheap drinks. Police get the powers to sieve vehicles on the spot.[/p][/quote]What is your first language. eeoodares
  • Score: -1

12:21pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Stevie D says...

jmfp110 wrote:
Why not make the Drink Driving limit really easy, No alcohol at all - simple, then nobody will be confused about the limit.
Unless you're going to outlaw alcohol completely ... how does that work? At some point after drinking, the alcohol content in your blood will be down to a negligible level, but it's a steady drop. It isn't like you're drinking, you're drunk, then suddenly there's a magic moment when you're completely sober again.

One of the biggest dangers is "the morning after the night before", because some people still don't recognise that they may be impaired by alcohol the next day. We need to be smarter about getting the right messages out – just saying "don't drink and drive" isn't going to do the trick.
[quote][p][bold]jmfp110[/bold] wrote: Why not make the Drink Driving limit really easy, No alcohol at all - simple, then nobody will be confused about the limit.[/p][/quote]Unless you're going to outlaw alcohol completely ... how does that work? At some point after drinking, the alcohol content in your blood will be down to a negligible level, but it's a steady drop. It isn't like you're drinking, you're drunk, then suddenly there's a magic moment when you're completely sober again. One of the biggest dangers is "the morning after the night before", because some people still don't recognise that they may be impaired by alcohol the next day. We need to be smarter about getting the right messages out – just saying "don't drink and drive" isn't going to do the trick. Stevie D
  • Score: 0

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