New study lifts the lid on York's alcohol problems

Alcohol to blame for hospital staff assaults

Alcohol to blame for hospital staff assaults

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HUNDREDS of assaults could be prevented each year in York if hospital staff and police worked together more closely, a new report has said.

Sharing information would allow police to focus on problem areas and reduce the number of assaults by 246, it is estimated.

The report, by Dr Gillian Kelly, looked at the impact of alcohol use on York Hospital's emergency department, and is based on five years of research into different issues related to drinking, including studies of 2,855 patients between last September and April.

The report found:

- The number of alcohol-related overnight admissions fell by more than a quarter between 2011 and 2013/14

- At the same time, the number of recorded head and face assaults rose by 60 per cent.

- Almost 20 per cent of all ambulance calls in the city are alcohol-related and that figure has risen since several years ago

- Only one in four patients who have been assaulted reported it to police

- This spring, the number of women taken to hospital due to alcohol exceeded the number of men for the first time

- Hospital staff levels are not enough to keep up with drink-related incidents in the Emergency Department

On assaults, York looked to follow practices in Cardiff, where better information-sharing led to a reduction in assaults. She said it was not always easy to source all information, but said: "Hopefully the benefits of preventing hundreds of assaults per year would be worth the effort of change."

The report said York has one of the country's highest levels of binge drinking and said although York is popular with stag and hen parties from elsewhere, it is a "myth" that they are the crux of the problem, with most hospital attenders being local residents.

The report was coordinated by by York Hospital with City of York Council and Safer York Partnership to provide more detail on the impact of alcohol on Emergency Department attendance. It will be used to provide evidence on licensing decisions and increase the Alcohol Restriction Zone (ARZ), and help tackle crime, disorder and public nuisance in York.

In her report, Dr Kelly said alcohol-related ambulance journeys put a "huge burden" on resources.

She said: "The majority of patients we saw were from within the city boundaries or from nearby towns. There is an influx from elsewhere at week-ends, but the majority are still from York. There is no doubt however that the night-time economy plays a significant role in attendances."

She said overall emergency department attendances were rising annually, but "staffing and space cannot increase at the same rate.

"We need to reduce attendance within certain patient groups in order to cope with overall rising demand. By targeting alcohol-related attendance, we not only look at the acute injuries caused by binging, but may reduce the long-term health problems caused by chronic alcohol excess, thus affecting change through the generations for years to come."

Tracey Simpson-Laing, city council cabinet member for safer communities, called the research fascinating. She said: "The night-time economy is highly lucrative for the city of York and people come here as it perceived as a safe, secure environment in which to have an enjoyable night out, but inevitably some take this too far."

She said people were not being told not to drink, but said: "Healthcare should not be involved in a routine evening of fun, but all too often it is."

She said the council and partner organisations had recently implemented measures to reduce excess drinking in the city, including the ARZ, which now includes some trains to and from the North East, and a night-bus parked where people can stop, rest and sober up before going home.

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12:48pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Dave Ruddock says...

its Action I believe that is required not "Reports"
its Action I believe that is required not "Reports" Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 10

2:16pm Wed 6 Aug 14

MaggieRules says...

To deal with the drunks I would create a temporary police station consisting of a mass of cells to hold these drunks. Instead of all this PC crap about giving out free bottles of water and telling them to behave, I would simply drag any ones causing trouble to the cells, bang them in it over night then charge them £250 for their keep overnight.

How many more reports / focus groups do we need to tackle this problem. I would also sack Milligan and use her wages to fund proper police doing proper protection on the streets. None of this Guardian non-job public sector rubbish we seem to love to create for non-added value police jobs.
To deal with the drunks I would create a temporary police station consisting of a mass of cells to hold these drunks. Instead of all this PC crap about giving out free bottles of water and telling them to behave, I would simply drag any ones causing trouble to the cells, bang them in it over night then charge them £250 for their keep overnight. How many more reports / focus groups do we need to tackle this problem. I would also sack Milligan and use her wages to fund proper police doing proper protection on the streets. None of this Guardian non-job public sector rubbish we seem to love to create for non-added value police jobs. MaggieRules
  • Score: 24

3:03pm Wed 6 Aug 14

againstthecuts says...

Do what they do in other cities have a dormitory style accommodation put them in there and have a nurse or health care to look after them til they sober up. Problem solved!!
Do what they do in other cities have a dormitory style accommodation put them in there and have a nurse or health care to look after them til they sober up. Problem solved!! againstthecuts
  • Score: -3

4:15pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

againstthecuts wrote:
Do what they do in other cities have a dormitory style accommodation put them in there and have a nurse or health care to look after them til they sober up. Problem solved!!
How many drunks are going to kept in this accommodation?
[quote][p][bold]againstthecuts[/bold] wrote: Do what they do in other cities have a dormitory style accommodation put them in there and have a nurse or health care to look after them til they sober up. Problem solved!![/p][/quote]How many drunks are going to kept in this accommodation? Dr Martin
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Wed 6 Aug 14

bolero says...

So it isn't the `hen and stag` partiers or visitors from up 'tnorth who are causing mayhem in the A & E Depts of the hospital but York residents. Thought so.
So it isn't the `hen and stag` partiers or visitors from up 'tnorth who are causing mayhem in the A & E Depts of the hospital but York residents. Thought so. bolero
  • Score: 10

5:01pm Wed 6 Aug 14

samana says...

So once more some "expert" comes up with a new way of explaining
how to deal with one of lifes ever present recurring problems.
Namely the abuse and use of one of the TWO most addictive Cancer causing DRUGS that exist-Alcohol!.
Far more Addictive and destructive than Heroin--made LEGAL by "politicians" taking "donations" from the Alcohol industry-in return for turning a blind eye to its effects..
Alcohol causes ,directly,over 100,000 DEATHS every year in the UK.
There are at least 500,000 people of both sexes slowly being eaten alive by Cancers caused by these Addictive Drugs--be they "fine wines" or "beers" or "spirits"--it is the ALCOHOL in the drink that causes Cancers--a NO amount of "letters" to pub landlords will make the slightest difference--nor will "information sharing"!!..

Each DEATH happens in great pain and misery.
And what do the latest "experts" offer?.
More of the same--talk talk talk!!.
"Responsible and Moderate"Alcohol addiction does NOT exist--despite these "experts"supposed understanding of the problem--.
Drink Alcohol and you ,literally,are drinking a slow painridden DEATH.
So once more some "expert" comes up with a new way of explaining how to deal with one of lifes ever present recurring problems. Namely the abuse and use of one of the TWO most addictive Cancer causing DRUGS that exist-Alcohol!. Far more Addictive and destructive than Heroin--made LEGAL by "politicians" taking "donations" from the Alcohol industry-in return for turning a blind eye to its effects.. Alcohol causes ,directly,over 100,000 DEATHS every year in the UK. There are at least 500,000 people of both sexes slowly being eaten alive by Cancers caused by these Addictive Drugs--be they "fine wines" or "beers" or "spirits"--it is the ALCOHOL in the drink that causes Cancers--a NO amount of "letters" to pub landlords will make the slightest difference--nor will "information sharing"!!.. Each DEATH happens in great pain and misery. And what do the latest "experts" offer?. More of the same--talk talk talk!!. "Responsible and Moderate"Alcohol addiction does NOT exist--despite these "experts"supposed understanding of the problem--. Drink Alcohol and you ,literally,are drinking a slow painridden DEATH. samana
  • Score: -15

6:30pm Wed 6 Aug 14

nottoooldtocare says...

samana wrote:
So once more some "expert" comes up with a new way of explaining
how to deal with one of lifes ever present recurring problems.
Namely the abuse and use of one of the TWO most addictive Cancer causing DRUGS that exist-Alcohol!.
Far more Addictive and destructive than Heroin--made LEGAL by "politicians" taking "donations" from the Alcohol industry-in return for turning a blind eye to its effects..
Alcohol causes ,directly,over 100,000 DEATHS every year in the UK.
There are at least 500,000 people of both sexes slowly being eaten alive by Cancers caused by these Addictive Drugs--be they "fine wines" or "beers" or "spirits"--it is the ALCOHOL in the drink that causes Cancers--a NO amount of "letters" to pub landlords will make the slightest difference--nor will "information sharing"!!..

Each DEATH happens in great pain and misery.
And what do the latest "experts" offer?.
More of the same--talk talk talk!!.
"Responsible and Moderate"Alcohol addiction does NOT exist--despite these "experts"supposed understanding of the problem--.
Drink Alcohol and you ,literally,are drinking a slow painridden DEATH.
Apart form that, is everything else okay with you?
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: So once more some "expert" comes up with a new way of explaining how to deal with one of lifes ever present recurring problems. Namely the abuse and use of one of the TWO most addictive Cancer causing DRUGS that exist-Alcohol!. Far more Addictive and destructive than Heroin--made LEGAL by "politicians" taking "donations" from the Alcohol industry-in return for turning a blind eye to its effects.. Alcohol causes ,directly,over 100,000 DEATHS every year in the UK. There are at least 500,000 people of both sexes slowly being eaten alive by Cancers caused by these Addictive Drugs--be they "fine wines" or "beers" or "spirits"--it is the ALCOHOL in the drink that causes Cancers--a NO amount of "letters" to pub landlords will make the slightest difference--nor will "information sharing"!!.. Each DEATH happens in great pain and misery. And what do the latest "experts" offer?. More of the same--talk talk talk!!. "Responsible and Moderate"Alcohol addiction does NOT exist--despite these "experts"supposed understanding of the problem--. Drink Alcohol and you ,literally,are drinking a slow painridden DEATH.[/p][/quote]Apart form that, is everything else okay with you? nottoooldtocare
  • Score: 14

7:58pm Wed 6 Aug 14

samana says...

Your pathetic and failed attempt to belittle the truthfulness about Alcohol and its aftermath is to be expected from one who is addicted to this Addictive Cancer causing DRUG--as you undoubtedly are.
No amount of patronising me can change that fact--.
Alcohol is the direct cause of most of the violence in Societies everywhere it is manufactured and sold and drunk.
Alcohol is the root cause of so much nasty and evil behaviour in both males and females throughout the ages.
Anyone who believes that unless you drink the stuff you cannot possibly enjoy life,that you cant have a "good time", is straining credulity and revealing themselves to be a defender of abherrant behaviour that often ends in death and misery .
You get what you deserve.
Your pathetic and failed attempt to belittle the truthfulness about Alcohol and its aftermath is to be expected from one who is addicted to this Addictive Cancer causing DRUG--as you undoubtedly are. No amount of patronising me can change that fact--. Alcohol is the direct cause of most of the violence in Societies everywhere it is manufactured and sold and drunk. Alcohol is the root cause of so much nasty and evil behaviour in both males and females throughout the ages. Anyone who believes that unless you drink the stuff you cannot possibly enjoy life,that you cant have a "good time", is straining credulity and revealing themselves to be a defender of abherrant behaviour that often ends in death and misery . You get what you deserve. samana
  • Score: -9

8:08pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Omega Point says...

samana wrote:
So once more some "expert" comes up with a new way of explaining
how to deal with one of lifes ever present recurring problems.
Namely the abuse and use of one of the TWO most addictive Cancer causing DRUGS that exist-Alcohol!.
Far more Addictive and destructive than Heroin--made LEGAL by "politicians" taking "donations" from the Alcohol industry-in return for turning a blind eye to its effects..
Alcohol causes ,directly,over 100,000 DEATHS every year in the UK.
There are at least 500,000 people of both sexes slowly being eaten alive by Cancers caused by these Addictive Drugs--be they "fine wines" or "beers" or "spirits"--it is the ALCOHOL in the drink that causes Cancers--a NO amount of "letters" to pub landlords will make the slightest difference--nor will "information sharing"!!..

Each DEATH happens in great pain and misery.
And what do the latest "experts" offer?.
More of the same--talk talk talk!!.
"Responsible and Moderate"Alcohol addiction does NOT exist--despite these "experts"supposed understanding of the problem--.
Drink Alcohol and you ,literally,are drinking a slow painridden DEATH.
I am teetotal. I also have many years professional experience on this matter. You are wrong on so many levels. You write as if the behaviour and pathology of some is that of all. Do get your facts balanced, do proper research and not let bias rule your thinking. Alcohol has a lot to answe for but talk as if everone who drinks ends up addicted and dead as a result
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: So once more some "expert" comes up with a new way of explaining how to deal with one of lifes ever present recurring problems. Namely the abuse and use of one of the TWO most addictive Cancer causing DRUGS that exist-Alcohol!. Far more Addictive and destructive than Heroin--made LEGAL by "politicians" taking "donations" from the Alcohol industry-in return for turning a blind eye to its effects.. Alcohol causes ,directly,over 100,000 DEATHS every year in the UK. There are at least 500,000 people of both sexes slowly being eaten alive by Cancers caused by these Addictive Drugs--be they "fine wines" or "beers" or "spirits"--it is the ALCOHOL in the drink that causes Cancers--a NO amount of "letters" to pub landlords will make the slightest difference--nor will "information sharing"!!.. Each DEATH happens in great pain and misery. And what do the latest "experts" offer?. More of the same--talk talk talk!!. "Responsible and Moderate"Alcohol addiction does NOT exist--despite these "experts"supposed understanding of the problem--. Drink Alcohol and you ,literally,are drinking a slow painridden DEATH.[/p][/quote]I am teetotal. I also have many years professional experience on this matter. You are wrong on so many levels. You write as if the behaviour and pathology of some is that of all. Do get your facts balanced, do proper research and not let bias rule your thinking. Alcohol has a lot to answe for but talk as if everone who drinks ends up addicted and dead as a result Omega Point
  • Score: 12

8:10pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Omega Point says...

samana wrote:
So once more some "expert" comes up with a new way of explaining
how to deal with one of lifes ever present recurring problems.
Namely the abuse and use of one of the TWO most addictive Cancer causing DRUGS that exist-Alcohol!.
Far more Addictive and destructive than Heroin--made LEGAL by "politicians" taking "donations" from the Alcohol industry-in return for turning a blind eye to its effects..
Alcohol causes ,directly,over 100,000 DEATHS every year in the UK.
There are at least 500,000 people of both sexes slowly being eaten alive by Cancers caused by these Addictive Drugs--be they "fine wines" or "beers" or "spirits"--it is the ALCOHOL in the drink that causes Cancers--a NO amount of "letters" to pub landlords will make the slightest difference--nor will "information sharing"!!..

Each DEATH happens in great pain and misery.
And what do the latest "experts" offer?.
More of the same--talk talk talk!!.
"Responsible and Moderate"Alcohol addiction does NOT exist--despite these "experts"supposed understanding of the problem--.
Drink Alcohol and you ,literally,are drinking a slow painridden DEATH.
I am teetotal. I also have many years professional experience on this matter. You are wrong on so many levels. You write as if the behaviour and pathology of some is that of all. Do get your facts balanced, do proper research and not let bias rule your thinking. Alcohol has a lot to answer for but you talk as if everone who drinks ends up addicted and dead as a result. Not so.
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: So once more some "expert" comes up with a new way of explaining how to deal with one of lifes ever present recurring problems. Namely the abuse and use of one of the TWO most addictive Cancer causing DRUGS that exist-Alcohol!. Far more Addictive and destructive than Heroin--made LEGAL by "politicians" taking "donations" from the Alcohol industry-in return for turning a blind eye to its effects.. Alcohol causes ,directly,over 100,000 DEATHS every year in the UK. There are at least 500,000 people of both sexes slowly being eaten alive by Cancers caused by these Addictive Drugs--be they "fine wines" or "beers" or "spirits"--it is the ALCOHOL in the drink that causes Cancers--a NO amount of "letters" to pub landlords will make the slightest difference--nor will "information sharing"!!.. Each DEATH happens in great pain and misery. And what do the latest "experts" offer?. More of the same--talk talk talk!!. "Responsible and Moderate"Alcohol addiction does NOT exist--despite these "experts"supposed understanding of the problem--. Drink Alcohol and you ,literally,are drinking a slow painridden DEATH.[/p][/quote]I am teetotal. I also have many years professional experience on this matter. You are wrong on so many levels. You write as if the behaviour and pathology of some is that of all. Do get your facts balanced, do proper research and not let bias rule your thinking. Alcohol has a lot to answer for but you talk as if everone who drinks ends up addicted and dead as a result. Not so. Omega Point
  • Score: 0

8:11pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Pinza-C55 says...

NO !!!!! It's just "people having fun" you killjoys.
NO !!!!! It's just "people having fun" you killjoys. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -5

8:21pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Mentos says...

"Drink Alcohol and you ,literally,are drinking a slow painridden DEATH".. A stupid blanket statement. Depends on amount and frequency
"Drink Alcohol and you ,literally,are drinking a slow painridden DEATH".. A stupid blanket statement. Depends on amount and frequency Mentos
  • Score: 4

9:42pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Oncebitten says...

samana wrote:
So once more some "expert" comes up with a new way of explaining
how to deal with one of lifes ever present recurring problems.
Namely the abuse and use of one of the TWO most addictive Cancer causing DRUGS that exist-Alcohol!.
Far more Addictive and destructive than Heroin--made LEGAL by "politicians" taking "donations" from the Alcohol industry-in return for turning a blind eye to its effects..
Alcohol causes ,directly,over 100,000 DEATHS every year in the UK.
There are at least 500,000 people of both sexes slowly being eaten alive by Cancers caused by these Addictive Drugs--be they "fine wines" or "beers" or "spirits"--it is the ALCOHOL in the drink that causes Cancers--a NO amount of "letters" to pub landlords will make the slightest difference--nor will "information sharing"!!..

Each DEATH happens in great pain and misery.
And what do the latest "experts" offer?.
More of the same--talk talk talk!!.
"Responsible and Moderate"Alcohol addiction does NOT exist--despite these "experts"supposed understanding of the problem--.
Drink Alcohol and you ,literally,are drinking a slow painridden DEATH.
It's very obvious that you have some very serious issues.

I drink, I enjoy a drink, I have been drunk,......I am 54 and will continue to enjoy alcohol......
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: So once more some "expert" comes up with a new way of explaining how to deal with one of lifes ever present recurring problems. Namely the abuse and use of one of the TWO most addictive Cancer causing DRUGS that exist-Alcohol!. Far more Addictive and destructive than Heroin--made LEGAL by "politicians" taking "donations" from the Alcohol industry-in return for turning a blind eye to its effects.. Alcohol causes ,directly,over 100,000 DEATHS every year in the UK. There are at least 500,000 people of both sexes slowly being eaten alive by Cancers caused by these Addictive Drugs--be they "fine wines" or "beers" or "spirits"--it is the ALCOHOL in the drink that causes Cancers--a NO amount of "letters" to pub landlords will make the slightest difference--nor will "information sharing"!!.. Each DEATH happens in great pain and misery. And what do the latest "experts" offer?. More of the same--talk talk talk!!. "Responsible and Moderate"Alcohol addiction does NOT exist--despite these "experts"supposed understanding of the problem--. Drink Alcohol and you ,literally,are drinking a slow painridden DEATH.[/p][/quote]It's very obvious that you have some very serious issues. I drink, I enjoy a drink, I have been drunk,......I am 54 and will continue to enjoy alcohol...... Oncebitten
  • Score: 11

11:42pm Wed 6 Aug 14

bolero says...

Norman Van Hoogstraten wrote:
samana wrote:
Your pathetic and failed attempt to belittle the truthfulness about Alcohol and its aftermath is to be expected from one who is addicted to this Addictive Cancer causing DRUG--as you undoubtedly are.
No amount of patronising me can change that fact--.
Alcohol is the direct cause of most of the violence in Societies everywhere it is manufactured and sold and drunk.
Alcohol is the root cause of so much nasty and evil behaviour in both males and females throughout the ages.
Anyone who believes that unless you drink the stuff you cannot possibly enjoy life,that you cant have a "good time", is straining credulity and revealing themselves to be a defender of abherrant behaviour that often ends in death and misery .
You get what you deserve.
What a load of rubbish. What you need is good 9 or 10 pints of Sam Smiths TADDY LAGER.
Are you drunk now or do you always rabbit on incomprehensibly? Bet you can't say that either.
[quote][p][bold]Norman Van Hoogstraten[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: Your pathetic and failed attempt to belittle the truthfulness about Alcohol and its aftermath is to be expected from one who is addicted to this Addictive Cancer causing DRUG--as you undoubtedly are. No amount of patronising me can change that fact--. Alcohol is the direct cause of most of the violence in Societies everywhere it is manufactured and sold and drunk. Alcohol is the root cause of so much nasty and evil behaviour in both males and females throughout the ages. Anyone who believes that unless you drink the stuff you cannot possibly enjoy life,that you cant have a "good time", is straining credulity and revealing themselves to be a defender of abherrant behaviour that often ends in death and misery . You get what you deserve.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. What you need is good 9 or 10 pints of Sam Smiths TADDY LAGER.[/p][/quote]Are you drunk now or do you always rabbit on incomprehensibly? Bet you can't say that either. bolero
  • Score: 2

6:14am Thu 7 Aug 14

samana says...

As to be expected there has been a mini flood of Alcohol Addicts defending their rank stupidity on drinking this addictive cancer causing drug(I notice that not one of them refutes that alcohol actually causes deadly cancers that kill over 10,000 per year in the UK alone).
The same excuses for their ADDICTIONS are used by persons addicted to other less deadly drugs such as Heroin and Morphine and Amphetamine and Tobacco.
ALL Junkies enjoy their drugs-=-its in the nature of being a Junky.
To drink this addictive cancer causing drug in the face of all evidence from the BMA is to live out a death wish!
Good luck!!.
As to be expected there has been a mini flood of Alcohol Addicts defending their rank stupidity on drinking this addictive cancer causing drug(I notice that not one of them refutes that alcohol actually causes deadly cancers that kill over 10,000 per year in the UK alone). The same excuses for their ADDICTIONS are used by persons addicted to other less deadly drugs such as Heroin and Morphine and Amphetamine and Tobacco. ALL Junkies enjoy their drugs-=-its in the nature of being a Junky. To drink this addictive cancer causing drug in the face of all evidence from the BMA is to live out a death wish! Good luck!!. samana
  • Score: -4

6:47am Thu 7 Aug 14

samana says...

In my last comment I inadvertently missed a zero out of the death toll for Alcohol.
It should properly read over 100,000 died from this deadly addictive cancer causing drug.
These are the latest Ministry of Health figures--and are unarguable.
In my last comment I inadvertently missed a zero out of the death toll for Alcohol. It should properly read over 100,000 died from this deadly addictive cancer causing drug. These are the latest Ministry of Health figures--and are unarguable. samana
  • Score: -4

8:35am Thu 7 Aug 14

TheTruthHurts says...

samana wrote:
As to be expected there has been a mini flood of Alcohol Addicts defending their rank stupidity on drinking this addictive cancer causing drug(I notice that not one of them refutes that alcohol actually causes deadly cancers that kill over 10,000 per year in the UK alone).
The same excuses for their ADDICTIONS are used by persons addicted to other less deadly drugs such as Heroin and Morphine and Amphetamine and Tobacco.
ALL Junkies enjoy their drugs-=-its in the nature of being a Junky.
To drink this addictive cancer causing drug in the face of all evidence from the BMA is to live out a death wish!
Good luck!!.
Might not be able to argue with your figures..... but to say that all junkies enjoy their drugs (as it is the nature of junkies) shows a total lack of understanding of drug addiction.

Also the whole cancer causing thing is an argument but there are a near infinite amount of things that are carcinogenic, Just by being alive on this earth you are at risk of getting cancer.
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: As to be expected there has been a mini flood of Alcohol Addicts defending their rank stupidity on drinking this addictive cancer causing drug(I notice that not one of them refutes that alcohol actually causes deadly cancers that kill over 10,000 per year in the UK alone). The same excuses for their ADDICTIONS are used by persons addicted to other less deadly drugs such as Heroin and Morphine and Amphetamine and Tobacco. ALL Junkies enjoy their drugs-=-its in the nature of being a Junky. To drink this addictive cancer causing drug in the face of all evidence from the BMA is to live out a death wish! Good luck!!.[/p][/quote]Might not be able to argue with your figures..... but to say that all junkies enjoy their drugs (as it is the nature of junkies) shows a total lack of understanding of drug addiction. Also the whole cancer causing thing is an argument but there are a near infinite amount of things that are carcinogenic, Just by being alive on this earth you are at risk of getting cancer. TheTruthHurts
  • Score: 8

8:40am Thu 7 Aug 14

Overproof says...

Don't let the facts get in the way of a puritan ideology, such as that people who drink live longer than those who don't. Indeed, in fact, a person needs to consume an average of 60 units a week to bring their average life expectancy down to that of a teetotal
Don't let the facts get in the way of a puritan ideology, such as that people who drink live longer than those who don't. Indeed, in fact, a person needs to consume an average of 60 units a week to bring their average life expectancy down to that of a teetotal Overproof
  • Score: 2

8:51am Thu 7 Aug 14

samana says...

To "the truth hurts"
With Peter Devine I helped to run a Halfway house for Heroin Addicts in the early 1970s in Camden Town in North London for 1 year --during which time we saw over 200 former Heroin addicts kick this terrible addiction--90% of whom said that "alcohol was their Gateway drug" to Heroin addiction(Heroin does NOT cause Cancers).
So my credentials are based on actual experience unlike your reading one or two books then calling yourself an expert.
There are many carcinogenic substances added to our foods but to belittle Alcohols addictive cancer causing nature is to belittle yourself.
Its easy to sit and criticise,like you do,but I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure.
To "the truth hurts" With Peter Devine I helped to run a Halfway house for Heroin Addicts in the early 1970s in Camden Town in North London for 1 year --during which time we saw over 200 former Heroin addicts kick this terrible addiction--90% of whom said that "alcohol was their Gateway drug" to Heroin addiction(Heroin does NOT cause Cancers). So my credentials are based on actual experience unlike your reading one or two books then calling yourself an expert. There are many carcinogenic substances added to our foods but to belittle Alcohols addictive cancer causing nature is to belittle yourself. Its easy to sit and criticise,like you do,but I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure. samana
  • Score: -1

8:51am Thu 7 Aug 14

samana says...

To "the truth hurts"
With Peter Devine I helped to run a Halfway house for Heroin Addicts in the early 1970s in Camden Town in North London for 1 year --during which time we saw over 200 former Heroin addicts kick this terrible addiction--90% of whom said that "alcohol was their Gateway drug" to Heroin addiction(Heroin does NOT cause Cancers).
So my credentials are based on actual experience unlike your reading one or two books then calling yourself an expert.
There are many carcinogenic substances added to our foods but to belittle Alcohols addictive cancer causing nature is to belittle yourself.
Its easy to sit and criticise,like you do,but I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure.
To "the truth hurts" With Peter Devine I helped to run a Halfway house for Heroin Addicts in the early 1970s in Camden Town in North London for 1 year --during which time we saw over 200 former Heroin addicts kick this terrible addiction--90% of whom said that "alcohol was their Gateway drug" to Heroin addiction(Heroin does NOT cause Cancers). So my credentials are based on actual experience unlike your reading one or two books then calling yourself an expert. There are many carcinogenic substances added to our foods but to belittle Alcohols addictive cancer causing nature is to belittle yourself. Its easy to sit and criticise,like you do,but I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure. samana
  • Score: -1

9:48am Thu 7 Aug 14

TheTruthHurts says...

samana wrote:
To "the truth hurts"
With Peter Devine I helped to run a Halfway house for Heroin Addicts in the early 1970s in Camden Town in North London for 1 year --during which time we saw over 200 former Heroin addicts kick this terrible addiction--90% of whom said that "alcohol was their Gateway drug" to Heroin addiction(Heroin does NOT cause Cancers).
So my credentials are based on actual experience unlike your reading one or two books then calling yourself an expert.
There are many carcinogenic substances added to our foods but to belittle Alcohols addictive cancer causing nature is to belittle yourself.
Its easy to sit and criticise,like you do,but I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure.
Thanks for sharing your life experience with me, and also for making assumptions on my own experience of which you are well off the mark.

I dont believe that i was belittling Alcohols Carcinogenic properties but was just highlighting that cancer causing things are all around us.... the air we breathe, sunlight..... you know the sort of stuff that people just cannot avoid.

Also you conveniently missed my point about you saying that all junkies enjoy their fix. If you have rehabilitated 200 or so Heroin addicts then you would know that is just not the case.

And
I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure.
........ Yeah ok :-)
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: To "the truth hurts" With Peter Devine I helped to run a Halfway house for Heroin Addicts in the early 1970s in Camden Town in North London for 1 year --during which time we saw over 200 former Heroin addicts kick this terrible addiction--90% of whom said that "alcohol was their Gateway drug" to Heroin addiction(Heroin does NOT cause Cancers). So my credentials are based on actual experience unlike your reading one or two books then calling yourself an expert. There are many carcinogenic substances added to our foods but to belittle Alcohols addictive cancer causing nature is to belittle yourself. Its easy to sit and criticise,like you do,but I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure.[/p][/quote]Thanks for sharing your life experience with me, and also for making assumptions on my own experience of which you are well off the mark. I dont believe that i was belittling Alcohols Carcinogenic properties but was just highlighting that cancer causing things are all around us.... the air we breathe, sunlight..... you know the sort of stuff that people just cannot avoid. Also you conveniently missed my point about you saying that all junkies enjoy their fix. If you have rehabilitated 200 or so Heroin addicts then you would know that is just not the case. And [quote] I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure. [/quote] ........ Yeah ok :-) TheTruthHurts
  • Score: 4

9:54am Thu 7 Aug 14

meme says...

The bit I find interesting is the myth that its visitors who cause the problem ITS NOT its LOCALS!! That's going to cause some issues with the people who want our City to not let them in here!
However I agree with many on here. If you are found drunk lock them up for the night and charge them 250 for the privilege not £40 .....Make it hurt!
it cannot be difficult to create a drunk tank from containers ...It should not be a pleasant experience.......or find an old industrial unit/office block on outskirts and convert that......Make it hurt and it will stop; not totally but reduce the issue greatly
and stop blaming visitors for the problem
The bit I find interesting is the myth that its visitors who cause the problem ITS NOT its LOCALS!! That's going to cause some issues with the people who want our City to not let them in here! However I agree with many on here. If you are found drunk lock them up for the night and charge them 250 for the privilege not £40 .....Make it hurt! it cannot be difficult to create a drunk tank from containers ...It should not be a pleasant experience.......or find an old industrial unit/office block on outskirts and convert that......Make it hurt and it will stop; not totally but reduce the issue greatly and stop blaming visitors for the problem meme
  • Score: 2

10:59am Thu 7 Aug 14

samana says...

Overproof wrote:
Don't let the facts get in the way of a puritan ideology, such as that people who drink live longer than those who don't. Indeed, in fact, a person needs to consume an average of 60 units a week to bring their average life expectancy down to that of a teetotal
What absolute LIES and nonsense you write..
[quote][p][bold]Overproof[/bold] wrote: Don't let the facts get in the way of a puritan ideology, such as that people who drink live longer than those who don't. Indeed, in fact, a person needs to consume an average of 60 units a week to bring their average life expectancy down to that of a teetotal[/p][/quote]What absolute LIES and nonsense you write.. samana
  • Score: -2

3:25pm Thu 7 Aug 14

samana says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
samana wrote:
To "the truth hurts"
With Peter Devine I helped to run a Halfway house for Heroin Addicts in the early 1970s in Camden Town in North London for 1 year --during which time we saw over 200 former Heroin addicts kick this terrible addiction--90% of whom said that "alcohol was their Gateway drug" to Heroin addiction(Heroin does NOT cause Cancers).
So my credentials are based on actual experience unlike your reading one or two books then calling yourself an expert.
There are many carcinogenic substances added to our foods but to belittle Alcohols addictive cancer causing nature is to belittle yourself.
Its easy to sit and criticise,like you do,but I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure.
Thanks for sharing your life experience with me, and also for making assumptions on my own experience of which you are well off the mark.

I dont believe that i was belittling Alcohols Carcinogenic properties but was just highlighting that cancer causing things are all around us.... the air we breathe, sunlight..... you know the sort of stuff that people just cannot avoid.

Also you conveniently missed my point about you saying that all junkies enjoy their fix. If you have rehabilitated 200 or so Heroin addicts then you would know that is just not the case.

And
I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure.
........ Yeah ok :-)
If you read carefully then you will see I said "junkies" and NOT ex-junkies--differen
t context.
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: To "the truth hurts" With Peter Devine I helped to run a Halfway house for Heroin Addicts in the early 1970s in Camden Town in North London for 1 year --during which time we saw over 200 former Heroin addicts kick this terrible addiction--90% of whom said that "alcohol was their Gateway drug" to Heroin addiction(Heroin does NOT cause Cancers). So my credentials are based on actual experience unlike your reading one or two books then calling yourself an expert. There are many carcinogenic substances added to our foods but to belittle Alcohols addictive cancer causing nature is to belittle yourself. Its easy to sit and criticise,like you do,but I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure.[/p][/quote]Thanks for sharing your life experience with me, and also for making assumptions on my own experience of which you are well off the mark. I dont believe that i was belittling Alcohols Carcinogenic properties but was just highlighting that cancer causing things are all around us.... the air we breathe, sunlight..... you know the sort of stuff that people just cannot avoid. Also you conveniently missed my point about you saying that all junkies enjoy their fix. If you have rehabilitated 200 or so Heroin addicts then you would know that is just not the case. And [quote] I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure. [/quote] ........ Yeah ok :-)[/p][/quote]If you read carefully then you will see I said "junkies" and NOT ex-junkies--differen t context. samana
  • Score: -1

3:36pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Omega Point says...

As an expert in the field and a non-drinker I want to reassure people that moderate drunking of alcohol is safe for most people. The vast majority do not become addicted to the substance, addiction is much more complex than that.
As an expert in the field and a non-drinker I want to reassure people that moderate drunking of alcohol is safe for most people. The vast majority do not become addicted to the substance, addiction is much more complex than that. Omega Point
  • Score: 2

4:53pm Thu 7 Aug 14

TheTruthHurts says...

samana wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote:
samana wrote:
To "the truth hurts"
With Peter Devine I helped to run a Halfway house for Heroin Addicts in the early 1970s in Camden Town in North London for 1 year --during which time we saw over 200 former Heroin addicts kick this terrible addiction--90% of whom said that "alcohol was their Gateway drug" to Heroin addiction(Heroin does NOT cause Cancers).
So my credentials are based on actual experience unlike your reading one or two books then calling yourself an expert.
There are many carcinogenic substances added to our foods but to belittle Alcohols addictive cancer causing nature is to belittle yourself.
Its easy to sit and criticise,like you do,but I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure.
Thanks for sharing your life experience with me, and also for making assumptions on my own experience of which you are well off the mark.

I dont believe that i was belittling Alcohols Carcinogenic properties but was just highlighting that cancer causing things are all around us.... the air we breathe, sunlight..... you know the sort of stuff that people just cannot avoid.

Also you conveniently missed my point about you saying that all junkies enjoy their fix. If you have rehabilitated 200 or so Heroin addicts then you would know that is just not the case.

And
I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure.
........ Yeah ok :-)
If you read carefully then you will see I said "junkies" and NOT ex-junkies--differen

t context.
No I read it correctly thanks
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: To "the truth hurts" With Peter Devine I helped to run a Halfway house for Heroin Addicts in the early 1970s in Camden Town in North London for 1 year --during which time we saw over 200 former Heroin addicts kick this terrible addiction--90% of whom said that "alcohol was their Gateway drug" to Heroin addiction(Heroin does NOT cause Cancers). So my credentials are based on actual experience unlike your reading one or two books then calling yourself an expert. There are many carcinogenic substances added to our foods but to belittle Alcohols addictive cancer causing nature is to belittle yourself. Its easy to sit and criticise,like you do,but I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure.[/p][/quote]Thanks for sharing your life experience with me, and also for making assumptions on my own experience of which you are well off the mark. I dont believe that i was belittling Alcohols Carcinogenic properties but was just highlighting that cancer causing things are all around us.... the air we breathe, sunlight..... you know the sort of stuff that people just cannot avoid. Also you conveniently missed my point about you saying that all junkies enjoy their fix. If you have rehabilitated 200 or so Heroin addicts then you would know that is just not the case. And [quote] I would suggest you are projecting your ignorance of the reality of addiction on others out of inadequacy and personal failure. [/quote] ........ Yeah ok :-)[/p][/quote]If you read carefully then you will see I said "junkies" and NOT ex-junkies--differen t context.[/p][/quote]No I read it correctly thanks TheTruthHurts
  • Score: 0

8:02pm Thu 7 Aug 14

nottoooldtocare says...

samana wrote:
Your pathetic and failed attempt to belittle the truthfulness about Alcohol and its aftermath is to be expected from one who is addicted to this Addictive Cancer causing DRUG--as you undoubtedly are.
No amount of patronising me can change that fact--.
Alcohol is the direct cause of most of the violence in Societies everywhere it is manufactured and sold and drunk.
Alcohol is the root cause of so much nasty and evil behaviour in both males and females throughout the ages.
Anyone who believes that unless you drink the stuff you cannot possibly enjoy life,that you cant have a "good time", is straining credulity and revealing themselves to be a defender of abherrant behaviour that often ends in death and misery .
You get what you deserve.
I confess to having a titter at your expense, but you do appear to have some very strong views and some real anger issues related to alcohol, that clearly not everyone would agree with. I would be telling fibs if I said I didn't drink, but I can certainly get by without it .

Have you tried talking calmly to anyone about these issues? Pull up a chair and I'll get the glasses.....!
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: Your pathetic and failed attempt to belittle the truthfulness about Alcohol and its aftermath is to be expected from one who is addicted to this Addictive Cancer causing DRUG--as you undoubtedly are. No amount of patronising me can change that fact--. Alcohol is the direct cause of most of the violence in Societies everywhere it is manufactured and sold and drunk. Alcohol is the root cause of so much nasty and evil behaviour in both males and females throughout the ages. Anyone who believes that unless you drink the stuff you cannot possibly enjoy life,that you cant have a "good time", is straining credulity and revealing themselves to be a defender of abherrant behaviour that often ends in death and misery . You get what you deserve.[/p][/quote]I confess to having a titter at your expense, but you do appear to have some very strong views and some real anger issues related to alcohol, that clearly not everyone would agree with. I would be telling fibs if I said I didn't drink, but I can certainly get by without it . Have you tried talking calmly to anyone about these issues? Pull up a chair and I'll get the glasses.....! nottoooldtocare
  • Score: 1

6:05am Fri 8 Aug 14

samana says...

nottoooldtocare wrote:
samana wrote:
Your pathetic and failed attempt to belittle the truthfulness about Alcohol and its aftermath is to be expected from one who is addicted to this Addictive Cancer causing DRUG--as you undoubtedly are.
No amount of patronising me can change that fact--.
Alcohol is the direct cause of most of the violence in Societies everywhere it is manufactured and sold and drunk.
Alcohol is the root cause of so much nasty and evil behaviour in both males and females throughout the ages.
Anyone who believes that unless you drink the stuff you cannot possibly enjoy life,that you cant have a "good time", is straining credulity and revealing themselves to be a defender of abherrant behaviour that often ends in death and misery .
You get what you deserve.
I confess to having a titter at your expense, but you do appear to have some very strong views and some real anger issues related to alcohol, that clearly not everyone would agree with. I would be telling fibs if I said I didn't drink, but I can certainly get by without it .

Have you tried talking calmly to anyone about these issues? Pull up a chair and I'll get the glasses.....!
Your pathetic JUNKIES attempts at humour have failed.
[quote][p][bold]nottoooldtocare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: Your pathetic and failed attempt to belittle the truthfulness about Alcohol and its aftermath is to be expected from one who is addicted to this Addictive Cancer causing DRUG--as you undoubtedly are. No amount of patronising me can change that fact--. Alcohol is the direct cause of most of the violence in Societies everywhere it is manufactured and sold and drunk. Alcohol is the root cause of so much nasty and evil behaviour in both males and females throughout the ages. Anyone who believes that unless you drink the stuff you cannot possibly enjoy life,that you cant have a "good time", is straining credulity and revealing themselves to be a defender of abherrant behaviour that often ends in death and misery . You get what you deserve.[/p][/quote]I confess to having a titter at your expense, but you do appear to have some very strong views and some real anger issues related to alcohol, that clearly not everyone would agree with. I would be telling fibs if I said I didn't drink, but I can certainly get by without it . Have you tried talking calmly to anyone about these issues? Pull up a chair and I'll get the glasses.....![/p][/quote]Your pathetic JUNKIES attempts at humour have failed. samana
  • Score: -2

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