Work underway on £1.5m Newgate Market revamp

Work underway on £1.5m Newgate Market revamp

Work underway at the Newgate Market site

Work underway at the Newgate Market site

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Even the pavement has been removed as everything is cleared away for the £1.5 million refurbishment of Newgate Market.

First the 85 stalls of the daily market moved back to their historical home in Parliament Street earlier this month.

Then the workmen moved in to dig up the pavement and expose the ground below.

The full project is expected to take 16 weeks and followed months of consultation earlier this year.

Newgate Market is operating its normal hours of 9am to 5pm seven days a week in its temporary location with its usual range of goods on offer, from greengroceries and local produce to books, accessories, bags and tourist souvenirs.

During the refurbishment, the snickleways from the market area to Shambles are closed.

The refurbished Newgate Market is expected to be open for business and the stalls back in their usual place in time for St Nicholas' Fair which starts on Thursday November 27.

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8:15am Wed 30 Jul 14

nowthen says...

Leave the market where it is and hide the St Nicholas Fair on the Newgate site.
Leave the market where it is and hide the St Nicholas Fair on the Newgate site. nowthen
  • Score: 40

8:22am Wed 30 Jul 14

maybejustmaybe says...

16 weeks? Hahaha....
16 weeks? Hahaha.... maybejustmaybe
  • Score: 11

8:22am Wed 30 Jul 14

inthesticks says...

It just doesn`t make sense to spend money on projects like this and K Sq when we can`t afford it.
If I wasn`t able to pay my rent I wouldn`t be spending money on a new car - same principle COYC. Yes I know the vile government made cuts and we came out quite badly compared to some affluent Tory areas, but we are spending like we have a surplus, you just can`t justify it.
Don`t they feel a pang of guilt when £££ is spent on stuff like this and on massive costs for agency workers at the top pay scale when they have made hundreds of good staff redundant?
It just doesn`t make sense to spend money on projects like this and K Sq when we can`t afford it. If I wasn`t able to pay my rent I wouldn`t be spending money on a new car - same principle COYC. Yes I know the vile government made cuts and we came out quite badly compared to some affluent Tory areas, but we are spending like we have a surplus, you just can`t justify it. Don`t they feel a pang of guilt when £££ is spent on stuff like this and on massive costs for agency workers at the top pay scale when they have made hundreds of good staff redundant? inthesticks
  • Score: 32

8:46am Wed 30 Jul 14

smudge2 says...

Customers and the public are all happy with it in Parliament street so the council should look after their own market traders and not bow down to these stupid continental markets with the stalls taking as much money as they can and leaving York and not making a long term contribution to the city. The market traders are here long term and look after their regular customers and having spoken to one yesterday who I know said that his taking are up 30 % so that proves the parliament street site is better for the locals and traders alike but the council wont listen and will spend 1.5 million on a refurb and then herd all the traders back into the corners of the old place with a few new slabs down out of site of visitors and reduce their taking back to normal.
Customers and the public are all happy with it in Parliament street so the council should look after their own market traders and not bow down to these stupid continental markets with the stalls taking as much money as they can and leaving York and not making a long term contribution to the city. The market traders are here long term and look after their regular customers and having spoken to one yesterday who I know said that his taking are up 30 % so that proves the parliament street site is better for the locals and traders alike but the council wont listen and will spend 1.5 million on a refurb and then herd all the traders back into the corners of the old place with a few new slabs down out of site of visitors and reduce their taking back to normal. smudge2
  • Score: 38

8:58am Wed 30 Jul 14

pedalling paul says...

Hope the covered cycle racks in the Newgate site are retained as part of the scheme........
Hope the covered cycle racks in the Newgate site are retained as part of the scheme........ pedalling paul
  • Score: -54

9:01am Wed 30 Jul 14

Dave Ruddock says...

hope the archaeologists get in there and find something.
hope the archaeologists get in there and find something. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 25

9:02am Wed 30 Jul 14

masanki says...

Just wonderful to have the local market in Parliament Street. Convenient for locals and a great tourist draw. I cannot imagine that the stall owners want to go back to the side streets. They deserve better. They work all year round in all weathers and deserve the prime site. When the farmers markets and continental markets come to town it must be soul destroying for our local market tucked out of site watching some fly by nights stealing the limelite while they can only watch from the wings!!! As to the months of consultation the Council talk about..did the stall
holders have a choice to stay in Parliament Street and if not why not. Just hope they are not tearing up the cobble stones in the market area....
Just wonderful to have the local market in Parliament Street. Convenient for locals and a great tourist draw. I cannot imagine that the stall owners want to go back to the side streets. They deserve better. They work all year round in all weathers and deserve the prime site. When the farmers markets and continental markets come to town it must be soul destroying for our local market tucked out of site watching some fly by nights stealing the limelite while they can only watch from the wings!!! As to the months of consultation the Council talk about..did the stall holders have a choice to stay in Parliament Street and if not why not. Just hope they are not tearing up the cobble stones in the market area.... masanki
  • Score: 35

9:02am Wed 30 Jul 14

piaggio1 says...

Was talkin to a few traders on sat.they much prefer the market where it is now...but this corrupt mob know better i suppose (clowncil ).
It will all come out......soon...
Was talkin to a few traders on sat.they much prefer the market where it is now...but this corrupt mob know better i suppose (clowncil ). It will all come out......soon... piaggio1
  • Score: 17

9:30am Wed 30 Jul 14

nelly55 says...

Why does'nt someone set up one of these e - petitions asking the council to let the market stay in Parliament Street ? I'm sure plenty of people would sign it.
Why does'nt someone set up one of these e - petitions asking the council to let the market stay in Parliament Street ? I'm sure plenty of people would sign it. nelly55
  • Score: 28

9:36am Wed 30 Jul 14

ICan'tThinkOfAGoodName says...

Refurbishment of Newgate Market is long overdue - smaller places in the area have much more attractive markets, and this has been the case for decades. If the council can get this right then the question of whether the market is in Newgate or Parliament Street will no longer be an issue. Well done COYC for investing in our city for the good of locals and tourists!
Refurbishment of Newgate Market is long overdue - smaller places in the area have much more attractive markets, and this has been the case for decades. If the council can get this right then the question of whether the market is in Newgate or Parliament Street will no longer be an issue. Well done COYC for investing in our city for the good of locals and tourists! ICan'tThinkOfAGoodName
  • Score: -18

10:02am Wed 30 Jul 14

BL2 says...

ICan'tThinkOfAGoodNa
me
wrote:
Refurbishment of Newgate Market is long overdue - smaller places in the area have much more attractive markets, and this has been the case for decades. If the council can get this right then the question of whether the market is in Newgate or Parliament Street will no longer be an issue. Well done COYC for investing in our city for the good of locals and tourists!
Actually it won't. The market is very visible in Parliament street. Newgate is hidden away and not obvious at all.
[quote][p][bold]ICan'tThinkOfAGoodNa me[/bold] wrote: Refurbishment of Newgate Market is long overdue - smaller places in the area have much more attractive markets, and this has been the case for decades. If the council can get this right then the question of whether the market is in Newgate or Parliament Street will no longer be an issue. Well done COYC for investing in our city for the good of locals and tourists![/p][/quote]Actually it won't. The market is very visible in Parliament street. Newgate is hidden away and not obvious at all. BL2
  • Score: 23

10:52am Wed 30 Jul 14

GothicGrant says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Hope the covered cycle racks in the Newgate site are retained as part of the scheme........
I think I speak for everyone here when I say "Keep your inane pedantic comments too yourself and say something to actually support the local infrastructure for a change"
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Hope the covered cycle racks in the Newgate site are retained as part of the scheme........[/p][/quote]I think I speak for everyone here when I say "Keep your inane pedantic comments too yourself and say something to actually support the local infrastructure for a change" GothicGrant
  • Score: 28

11:41am Wed 30 Jul 14

Considering Matters says...

If they can get this right, and more importantly have decent management for the newly refurbished market, it might just work. I fear it is the last chance!

The reason people did not use Newgate is in part it looked so unappealing and actually quite filthy. And, most days seemed to be all packed up before 4pm and practically empty as soon as the bad weather arrived.

The traders will need to take some responsibility and clean up, make it more presentable and stay open longer. It is great it is now open to 5pm. If it is good people will use it. If not, they will simply continue to go elsewhere. I know traditionally markets always closed earlier, but unfortunately retailers are in a completely different world and are now in competition with late night closing, out of town, mini supermarkets everywhere, internet etc and if they can't recognise that then I fear they are finished, whatever the council do.

The locals must know where the market is, they just didn't like it. They come in for the Farmers Market, because they like it, they think it offers good produce, presented well with a bit of a buzz. I personally think you can get just as good on the market, but something is obviously very wrong. The very people you need to shop in Newgate are not venturing in.

There is a massive and I would say last chance with this refurbishment. The tourists must see it as they walk down Parliament Street (although Jubbergate often looks blocked) and look how many people go to The Shambles. There must be a reason why so many would not bother to venture in? Is it the overall look of the place, whats on offer, the disgusting bins, most markets would give their right arm to have such a footfall either side of them, so they do need to wonder about that.

I do think the council have lots to answer for, it should never have got to this stage, but you cannot just blame the council, I think it is far more complex. All parties, (the council, the market management, the traders, the locals) need to come together on this and do their very best to make it work.

Hopefully the press will play a massive part in getting behind Newgate when it re-opens, encouraging people to give it a try and shop local! Not just in Nov/Dec when the place will be packed anyway, but in the dark days of the New Year. Hope they won't forget about them then. York should have a market to be proud of!

As to Parliament Street, yes bring some events in, it can generate additional income for the council and add to the interest in York. But, there are far too many visiting markets, and why continue to bring in vendors selling the exact same goods, whether it be food, jewellery, handbags whatever. That simply just takes away trade from the existing traders and what about the shop who will be paying huge rent and rates all year. How ridiculous is that? It totally undermines local business and most of the money goes elsewhere!

If they want to use Parliament Street, the council should be imaginative and bring in events that increases the footfall and are of interest, but that will enhance existing trade for the local business, not simply drain it away from them. They had a vintage car rally recently which was of great interest to some, but would not be competing with local businesses. Don't think anyone sells Vintage Cars! I am just using that as an example, there must be many events who would like to use the space, but do not simply keep bringing in the same old stuff, that is putting everything at risk.

Have the council been keeping track of the number of empty shops that are popping up all over the city - soon, it will be just pound shops, betting shops, more and more charity shops and cafes that cannot survive against the big guns!

Finally (sorry) I can see the argument for the market moving to Parliament Street, but not sure that is really viable for all concerned. York cannot be just about the market. The Council do need to use Parliament Street for Events (not markets) The shops I am sure would not like it, and how on earth would they ever manage the safety and footfall if St. Nicholas Fayre was in Newgate. It was quite dangerous on Parliament Street last year, so cannot see it working in Newgate.

Please, when the time comes for the re-launch, all the people who are interested in the success of the market, get behind it and help make it work for all concerned and for York.
If they can get this right, and more importantly have decent management for the newly refurbished market, it might just work. I fear it is the last chance! The reason people did not use Newgate is in part it looked so unappealing and actually quite filthy. And, most days seemed to be all packed up before 4pm and practically empty as soon as the bad weather arrived. The traders will need to take some responsibility and clean up, make it more presentable and stay open longer. It is great it is now open to 5pm. If it is good people will use it. If not, they will simply continue to go elsewhere. I know traditionally markets always closed earlier, but unfortunately retailers are in a completely different world and are now in competition with late night closing, out of town, mini supermarkets everywhere, internet etc and if they can't recognise that then I fear they are finished, whatever the council do. The locals must know where the market is, they just didn't like it. They come in for the Farmers Market, because they like it, they think it offers good produce, presented well with a bit of a buzz. I personally think you can get just as good on the market, but something is obviously very wrong. The very people you need to shop in Newgate are not venturing in. There is a massive and I would say last chance with this refurbishment. The tourists must see it as they walk down Parliament Street (although Jubbergate often looks blocked) and look how many people go to The Shambles. There must be a reason why so many would not bother to venture in? Is it the overall look of the place, whats on offer, the disgusting bins, most markets would give their right arm to have such a footfall either side of them, so they do need to wonder about that. I do think the council have lots to answer for, it should never have got to this stage, but you cannot just blame the council, I think it is far more complex. All parties, (the council, the market management, the traders, the locals) need to come together on this and do their very best to make it work. Hopefully the press will play a massive part in getting behind Newgate when it re-opens, encouraging people to give it a try and shop local! Not just in Nov/Dec when the place will be packed anyway, but in the dark days of the New Year. Hope they won't forget about them then. York should have a market to be proud of! As to Parliament Street, yes bring some events in, it can generate additional income for the council and add to the interest in York. But, there are far too many visiting markets, and why continue to bring in vendors selling the exact same goods, whether it be food, jewellery, handbags whatever. That simply just takes away trade from the existing traders and what about the shop who will be paying huge rent and rates all year. How ridiculous is that? It totally undermines local business and most of the money goes elsewhere! If they want to use Parliament Street, the council should be imaginative and bring in events that increases the footfall and are of interest, but that will enhance existing trade for the local business, not simply drain it away from them. They had a vintage car rally recently which was of great interest to some, but would not be competing with local businesses. Don't think anyone sells Vintage Cars! I am just using that as an example, there must be many events who would like to use the space, but do not simply keep bringing in the same old stuff, that is putting everything at risk. Have the council been keeping track of the number of empty shops that are popping up all over the city - soon, it will be just pound shops, betting shops, more and more charity shops and cafes that cannot survive against the big guns! Finally (sorry) I can see the argument for the market moving to Parliament Street, but not sure that is really viable for all concerned. York cannot be just about the market. The Council do need to use Parliament Street for Events (not markets) The shops I am sure would not like it, and how on earth would they ever manage the safety and footfall if St. Nicholas Fayre was in Newgate. It was quite dangerous on Parliament Street last year, so cannot see it working in Newgate. Please, when the time comes for the re-launch, all the people who are interested in the success of the market, get behind it and help make it work for all concerned and for York. Considering Matters
  • Score: 17

12:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ouseswimmer says...

It would be far better to build timber framed houses on this site similar to what was there before. Far more tourists would visit and more jobs would be created. Instead we just get a shabby market with poor products.
It would be far better to build timber framed houses on this site similar to what was there before. Far more tourists would visit and more jobs would be created. Instead we just get a shabby market with poor products. ouseswimmer
  • Score: 0

1:35pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Alf Garnett says...

inthesticks wrote:
It just doesn`t make sense to spend money on projects like this and K Sq when we can`t afford it.
If I wasn`t able to pay my rent I wouldn`t be spending money on a new car - same principle COYC. Yes I know the vile government made cuts and we came out quite badly compared to some affluent Tory areas, but we are spending like we have a surplus, you just can`t justify it.
Don`t they feel a pang of guilt when £££ is spent on stuff like this and on massive costs for agency workers at the top pay scale when they have made hundreds of good staff redundant?
Don't be daft. Money spent on making York look better is money well spent. York has actually come out of the downturn in a much healthier state than most cities and is more southern than northern in its economy. Take a look at other cities which rely on tourism as a major factor in their economy. This is a competitive business at which York does well. If you want to see real profligate spending look at Edinburgh. The difference is that they just get on with it. York can't afford not to do this sort of thing.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: It just doesn`t make sense to spend money on projects like this and K Sq when we can`t afford it. If I wasn`t able to pay my rent I wouldn`t be spending money on a new car - same principle COYC. Yes I know the vile government made cuts and we came out quite badly compared to some affluent Tory areas, but we are spending like we have a surplus, you just can`t justify it. Don`t they feel a pang of guilt when £££ is spent on stuff like this and on massive costs for agency workers at the top pay scale when they have made hundreds of good staff redundant?[/p][/quote]Don't be daft. Money spent on making York look better is money well spent. York has actually come out of the downturn in a much healthier state than most cities and is more southern than northern in its economy. Take a look at other cities which rely on tourism as a major factor in their economy. This is a competitive business at which York does well. If you want to see real profligate spending look at Edinburgh. The difference is that they just get on with it. York can't afford not to do this sort of thing. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 7

1:36pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Alf Garnett says...

ICan'tThinkOfAGoodNa
me
wrote:
Refurbishment of Newgate Market is long overdue - smaller places in the area have much more attractive markets, and this has been the case for decades. If the council can get this right then the question of whether the market is in Newgate or Parliament Street will no longer be an issue. Well done COYC for investing in our city for the good of locals and tourists!
You'll get nowhere on this site with that sort of attitude.
[quote][p][bold]ICan'tThinkOfAGoodNa me[/bold] wrote: Refurbishment of Newgate Market is long overdue - smaller places in the area have much more attractive markets, and this has been the case for decades. If the council can get this right then the question of whether the market is in Newgate or Parliament Street will no longer be an issue. Well done COYC for investing in our city for the good of locals and tourists![/p][/quote]You'll get nowhere on this site with that sort of attitude. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 45

2:01pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Considering Matters says...

Just reading the article on Bishopthorpe Road and was thinking what a wonderful example the traders there are. So many traders getting together to make their area work and gaining the support of their local residents. Perhaps the Newgate Traders, Council and anyone really interested in the survival of York Market could have a chat with them as they clearly have learnt something and gone on to create something appealing and attractive. I don't know much, but I am definitely sure being negative never moved anything forward, well not in a positive way. Lots of good examples of rejuvenation around, both locally and nationally. Probably some need to call on and ask for help from people who were keen, were not prepared to give up and were ultimately successful!
Just reading the article on Bishopthorpe Road and was thinking what a wonderful example the traders there are. So many traders getting together to make their area work and gaining the support of their local residents. Perhaps the Newgate Traders, Council and anyone really interested in the survival of York Market could have a chat with them as they clearly have learnt something and gone on to create something appealing and attractive. I don't know much, but I am definitely sure being negative never moved anything forward, well not in a positive way. Lots of good examples of rejuvenation around, both locally and nationally. Probably some need to call on and ask for help from people who were keen, were not prepared to give up and were ultimately successful! Considering Matters
  • Score: 33

2:35pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Yorkie41 says...

The Press should learn to proof read, the correct pronunciation is Snickelways not Snickleways.
The Press should learn to proof read, the correct pronunciation is Snickelways not Snickleways. Yorkie41
  • Score: 33

5:25pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Meirion M says...

masanki wrote:
Just wonderful to have the local market in Parliament Street. Convenient for locals and a great tourist draw. I cannot imagine that the stall owners want to go back to the side streets. They deserve better. They work all year round in all weathers and deserve the prime site. When the farmers markets and continental markets come to town it must be soul destroying for our local market tucked out of site watching some fly by nights stealing the limelite while they can only watch from the wings!!! As to the months of consultation the Council talk about..did the stall
holders have a choice to stay in Parliament Street and if not why not. Just hope they are not tearing up the cobble stones in the market area....
I go over the Pennines to Bury Market once a month. The market there-the in door part and out door part are accessible to all and the prices do not break the bank.
I will continue to shop in Bury Market Market: it is first class and world-famous!
[quote][p][bold]masanki[/bold] wrote: Just wonderful to have the local market in Parliament Street. Convenient for locals and a great tourist draw. I cannot imagine that the stall owners want to go back to the side streets. They deserve better. They work all year round in all weathers and deserve the prime site. When the farmers markets and continental markets come to town it must be soul destroying for our local market tucked out of site watching some fly by nights stealing the limelite while they can only watch from the wings!!! As to the months of consultation the Council talk about..did the stall holders have a choice to stay in Parliament Street and if not why not. Just hope they are not tearing up the cobble stones in the market area....[/p][/quote]I go over the Pennines to Bury Market once a month. The market there-the in door part and out door part are accessible to all and the prices do not break the bank. I will continue to shop in Bury Market Market: it is first class and world-famous! Meirion M
  • Score: 14

5:25pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Meirion M says...

masanki wrote:
Just wonderful to have the local market in Parliament Street. Convenient for locals and a great tourist draw. I cannot imagine that the stall owners want to go back to the side streets. They deserve better. They work all year round in all weathers and deserve the prime site. When the farmers markets and continental markets come to town it must be soul destroying for our local market tucked out of site watching some fly by nights stealing the limelite while they can only watch from the wings!!! As to the months of consultation the Council talk about..did the stall
holders have a choice to stay in Parliament Street and if not why not. Just hope they are not tearing up the cobble stones in the market area....
I go over the Pennines to Bury Market once a month. The market there-the in door part and out door part are accessible to all and the prices do not break the bank.
I will continue to shop in Bury Market Market: it is first class and world-famous!
[quote][p][bold]masanki[/bold] wrote: Just wonderful to have the local market in Parliament Street. Convenient for locals and a great tourist draw. I cannot imagine that the stall owners want to go back to the side streets. They deserve better. They work all year round in all weathers and deserve the prime site. When the farmers markets and continental markets come to town it must be soul destroying for our local market tucked out of site watching some fly by nights stealing the limelite while they can only watch from the wings!!! As to the months of consultation the Council talk about..did the stall holders have a choice to stay in Parliament Street and if not why not. Just hope they are not tearing up the cobble stones in the market area....[/p][/quote]I go over the Pennines to Bury Market once a month. The market there-the in door part and out door part are accessible to all and the prices do not break the bank. I will continue to shop in Bury Market Market: it is first class and world-famous! Meirion M
  • Score: -15

5:32pm Wed 30 Jul 14

supertillypops says...

Yorkie41 wrote:
The Press should learn to proof read, the correct pronunciation is Snickelways not Snickleways.
That's nothing to do with pronunciation. That's spelling.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: The Press should learn to proof read, the correct pronunciation is Snickelways not Snickleways.[/p][/quote]That's nothing to do with pronunciation. That's spelling. supertillypops
  • Score: 31

6:45pm Wed 30 Jul 14

move with the times! says...

It's great to see the market on Parliament Street - it's bustling and I have NEVER seen it so busy in the Newgate site. I expect the market traders would like to stay in the current site permanently - they MUST be making more money there?
And as for those atrocious wooden sheds that CYC insist on dragging out for the Christmas market, put them in the Newgate site where their tacky look won't be quite so obvious.
But as always, CYC won't listen to what people want - they'll do what they want and upset everyone in the process.
It's great to see the market on Parliament Street - it's bustling and I have NEVER seen it so busy in the Newgate site. I expect the market traders would like to stay in the current site permanently - they MUST be making more money there? And as for those atrocious wooden sheds that CYC insist on dragging out for the Christmas market, put them in the Newgate site where their tacky look won't be quite so obvious. But as always, CYC won't listen to what people want - they'll do what they want and upset everyone in the process. move with the times!
  • Score: -17

9:27pm Wed 30 Jul 14

gravitydrips says...

You can really see in the above picture the potential of how nice Newgate could look if it was left clear.
Leave the market on Parliament Street and amalgamate it with the visiting markets. But if this was to happen, for the love of Christ could someone make the decision to clear Parliament Street of the fountain, bollards, benches and cycle racks. These obstructions overly dictate the positions of the stalls. I'm not the only one who avoids any of the Parliament Street markets, because on Saturdays or around Christmas they can resemble rush-hour on the London underground.
You can really see in the above picture the potential of how nice Newgate could look if it was left clear. Leave the market on Parliament Street and amalgamate it with the visiting markets. But if this was to happen, for the love of Christ could someone make the decision to clear Parliament Street of the fountain, bollards, benches and cycle racks. These obstructions overly dictate the positions of the stalls. I'm not the only one who avoids any of the Parliament Street markets, because on Saturdays or around Christmas they can resemble rush-hour on the London underground. gravitydrips
  • Score: 4

10:13pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

gravitydrips wrote:
You can really see in the above picture the potential of how nice Newgate could look if it was left clear.
Leave the market on Parliament Street and amalgamate it with the visiting markets. But if this was to happen, for the love of Christ could someone make the decision to clear Parliament Street of the fountain, bollards, benches and cycle racks. These obstructions overly dictate the positions of the stalls. I'm not the only one who avoids any of the Parliament Street markets, because on Saturdays or around Christmas they can resemble rush-hour on the London underground.
Yes it looks like a charming mediaeval courtyard.
[quote][p][bold]gravitydrips[/bold] wrote: You can really see in the above picture the potential of how nice Newgate could look if it was left clear. Leave the market on Parliament Street and amalgamate it with the visiting markets. But if this was to happen, for the love of Christ could someone make the decision to clear Parliament Street of the fountain, bollards, benches and cycle racks. These obstructions overly dictate the positions of the stalls. I'm not the only one who avoids any of the Parliament Street markets, because on Saturdays or around Christmas they can resemble rush-hour on the London underground.[/p][/quote]Yes it looks like a charming mediaeval courtyard. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -1

11:47pm Wed 30 Jul 14

inthesticks says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
It just doesn`t make sense to spend money on projects like this and K Sq when we can`t afford it.
If I wasn`t able to pay my rent I wouldn`t be spending money on a new car - same principle COYC. Yes I know the vile government made cuts and we came out quite badly compared to some affluent Tory areas, but we are spending like we have a surplus, you just can`t justify it.
Don`t they feel a pang of guilt when £££ is spent on stuff like this and on massive costs for agency workers at the top pay scale when they have made hundreds of good staff redundant?
Don't be daft. Money spent on making York look better is money well spent. York has actually come out of the downturn in a much healthier state than most cities and is more southern than northern in its economy. Take a look at other cities which rely on tourism as a major factor in their economy. This is a competitive business at which York does well. If you want to see real profligate spending look at Edinburgh. The difference is that they just get on with it. York can't afford not to do this sort of thing.
You tell the hundreds who were made redundant they are daft.
York is not in such good shape. We may have fairly low levels of people claiming JSA but we have (in comparison to the south and some other cities which rely on tourism) very low wages in those service industries.
We also have a shortage of affordable housing to buy and very high rents (in comparison to the aforementioned), therefore we have those low paid workers who cannot ever hope to get out of paying high rentals, never a chance of getting on the housing ladder, higher than average (in comparison of like cities again) rates of housing benefit claimants and what is galling to those made redundant from previously decently paid council employ is that many of them now fall into that group.
It is not such a good thing working in hotels, restaurants and pubs. It is often seasonal and very often minimum wage often employees have to do more than one job to make ends meet. Those of us who have better paid jobs are topping up that low wage via taxes through HB and tax credit.
But hey, it was worth the redundancies, now we have the money to make our city even prettier. That`s a matter of opinion because these latest vanity schemes weren`t needed, in my humble opinion York`s old worldly charm is being eroded by new paving etc.
Again, just my opinion, but if every £1 million spent unnecessarily over the last twenty years or so had been spent on new social housing, then our council would be providing something we do need.
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: It just doesn`t make sense to spend money on projects like this and K Sq when we can`t afford it. If I wasn`t able to pay my rent I wouldn`t be spending money on a new car - same principle COYC. Yes I know the vile government made cuts and we came out quite badly compared to some affluent Tory areas, but we are spending like we have a surplus, you just can`t justify it. Don`t they feel a pang of guilt when £££ is spent on stuff like this and on massive costs for agency workers at the top pay scale when they have made hundreds of good staff redundant?[/p][/quote]Don't be daft. Money spent on making York look better is money well spent. York has actually come out of the downturn in a much healthier state than most cities and is more southern than northern in its economy. Take a look at other cities which rely on tourism as a major factor in their economy. This is a competitive business at which York does well. If you want to see real profligate spending look at Edinburgh. The difference is that they just get on with it. York can't afford not to do this sort of thing.[/p][/quote]You tell the hundreds who were made redundant they are daft. York is not in such good shape. We may have fairly low levels of people claiming JSA but we have (in comparison to the south and some other cities which rely on tourism) very low wages in those service industries. We also have a shortage of affordable housing to buy and very high rents (in comparison to the aforementioned), therefore we have those low paid workers who cannot ever hope to get out of paying high rentals, never a chance of getting on the housing ladder, higher than average (in comparison of like cities again) rates of housing benefit claimants and what is galling to those made redundant from previously decently paid council employ is that many of them now fall into that group. It is not such a good thing working in hotels, restaurants and pubs. It is often seasonal and very often minimum wage often employees have to do more than one job to make ends meet. Those of us who have better paid jobs are topping up that low wage via taxes through HB and tax credit. But hey, it was worth the redundancies, now we have the money to make our city even prettier. That`s a matter of opinion because these latest vanity schemes weren`t needed, in my humble opinion York`s old worldly charm is being eroded by new paving etc. Again, just my opinion, but if every £1 million spent unnecessarily over the last twenty years or so had been spent on new social housing, then our council would be providing something we do need. inthesticks
  • Score: -3

12:40am Thu 31 Jul 14

Magicman! says...

Knowing this council, the work will only just be getting finished in time for St Nick's fair NEXT YEAR... and even then the market will probably only hold up for 6 months before the pavements all crack up, the lighting breaks, and the roofs start to leak.

but anything to tick those boxes eh...
Knowing this council, the work will only just be getting finished in time for St Nick's fair NEXT YEAR... and even then the market will probably only hold up for 6 months before the pavements all crack up, the lighting breaks, and the roofs start to leak. but anything to tick those boxes eh... Magicman!
  • Score: -1

7:33am Thu 31 Jul 14

Gillian Sowray says...

Leave the market in Parliament Street, it brings atmosphere to the city centre. I actually buy things there now but won't go in Newgate. Put the specialist markets in Newgate.
Leave the market in Parliament Street, it brings atmosphere to the city centre. I actually buy things there now but won't go in Newgate. Put the specialist markets in Newgate. Gillian Sowray
  • Score: 0

5:39pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Just_My_Twopenneth says...

The folk who 'run' the market (did I say run?... pardon me), will never back what the traders require (i.e. wishing to stay in Parliament St), s none of them have ever operated a market stall as a business/livelihood; so they won't ever understand how it is to stand as a trader. the council seniors (above the market operatives) simply just wish to pat themselves on the back to state "look how we spent the grant to overdo the market". If they spent the £1.5M to develop the Newgate market onto Parliament St, now that would make sense, but to spend it on a 'hidden zone' is ludicrous.

Especially when in reality, what will occur is that the Newgate traders will inevitably end up with increased rents for fewer footfall/takings.
The folk who 'run' the market (did I say run?... pardon me), will never back what the traders require (i.e. wishing to stay in Parliament St), s none of them have ever operated a market stall as a business/livelihood; so they won't ever understand how it is to stand as a trader. the council seniors (above the market operatives) simply just wish to pat themselves on the back to state "look how we spent the grant to overdo the market". If they spent the £1.5M to develop the Newgate market onto Parliament St, now that would make sense, but to spend it on a 'hidden zone' is ludicrous. Especially when in reality, what will occur is that the Newgate traders will inevitably end up with increased rents for fewer footfall/takings. Just_My_Twopenneth
  • Score: 1

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