Education fear over gap between rich and poor

Jon Stonehouse, City of York Council's director of children's services, education and skills

Jon Stonehouse, City of York Council's director of children's services, education and skills

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YORK is one of the worst performing areas in the country when it comes to a gap in achievement between children from the best and worst off homes.

A report to the city council's learning and culture overview and scrutiny committee shows that by the time children in York reach 19, the gap in attainment between disadvantaged youngsters and their peers is one of the biggest in the country.

The report, by assistant director of education and skills Maxine Squire, said: "The gap is evident in Early Years and widens throughout compulsory education, post-16 participation and beyond.

"By the ages of 16 and 19, our system delivers outstanding outcomes for the cohort as a while, but fails a significant proportion of young people, including those who are disadvantaged or have other vulnerabilities such as Special Educational Needs (SEN)."

The data puts York in the worst performing ten percent of council areas in the country, and now the committee is to launch a review and officials in the council's education department have begun an in depth study - called York 300 - to find out what causes the attainment gap, and discover ways of tackling it.

The York 300 project is so called because in most school year groups across York there are about 300 children who are eligible for Pupil Premium extra school funding.

It studies all Pupil Premium eligible students in Year 5 this academic year, in an effort to find out what stops them reaching their full potential.

Jon Stonehouse, the council's director of children's services, education and skills said: “In York - as is the case nationally - there is a strong link between poverty and underachievement.

"We are seeing this more acutely in schools where there are less disadvantaged pupils, but it is evident across the city. We want to make sure all York’s children and young people have the best start in life and that means supporting them to achieve their true potential.

"We’ll be actively learning from those schools from within the city and nationally that have managed to narrow the attainment gap for disadvantage pupils successfully, during the 2014-15 academic year.

"By learning from best practice and marrying this with our understanding of what is and isn’t working here in York we’re looking to tackle this issue effectively.”

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10:14am Mon 28 Jul 14

nearlyman says...

Too many parents in York lack ambition for their offspring. That ambition needs to include interest, enthusiasm and involvement in their education and not regarding it as a chore. Children are not fashion accessories.....they involve you in both commitment and sacrifice.
Too many parents in York lack ambition for their offspring. That ambition needs to include interest, enthusiasm and involvement in their education and not regarding it as a chore. Children are not fashion accessories.....they involve you in both commitment and sacrifice. nearlyman
  • Score: 26

10:16am Mon 28 Jul 14

andyjon12 says...

Condescending, under performing, out of touch, back covering, unambitious and uninspiring teachers are surely to blame.
Condescending, under performing, out of touch, back covering, unambitious and uninspiring teachers are surely to blame. andyjon12
  • Score: -19

10:21am Mon 28 Jul 14

andyjon12 says...

nearlyman wrote:
Too many parents in York lack ambition for their offspring. That ambition needs to include interest, enthusiasm and involvement in their education and not regarding it as a chore. Children are not fashion accessories.....they involve you in both commitment and sacrifice.
"children are not fashion accessories" - please enlighten me. What a ridiculous comment - and presumably from someone representing the teaching profession.
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: Too many parents in York lack ambition for their offspring. That ambition needs to include interest, enthusiasm and involvement in their education and not regarding it as a chore. Children are not fashion accessories.....they involve you in both commitment and sacrifice.[/p][/quote]"children are not fashion accessories" - please enlighten me. What a ridiculous comment - and presumably from someone representing the teaching profession. andyjon12
  • Score: -26

10:24am Mon 28 Jul 14

York2000 says...

More fodder for the right wingers to spend their day posting comments. We'll be seeing the usual:

1. There's no poverty in York, look at Africa.
2. The council, the council the council!
3. It's poor people's fault for being poor.

And repeat.
More fodder for the right wingers to spend their day posting comments. We'll be seeing the usual: 1. There's no poverty in York, look at Africa. 2. The council, the council the council! 3. It's poor people's fault for being poor. And repeat. York2000
  • Score: -2

11:33am Mon 28 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

It's all getting a bit predictable isn't it?

The CYC leftist regime's obsession with poverty....

The use of 'data', now there's a thing?

How was this measured, and how many were sampled (cherry-picked)?

Forgive my skepticism, but, really?

It hasn't taken the new Director of Children's Services to show his value for money - his salary is £109,117.

It's not hard to see why @stonehousejon on twitter has a particular political bias for those he follows - interesting 'data' that is?!!!
It's all getting a bit predictable isn't it? The CYC leftist regime's obsession with poverty.... The use of 'data', now there's a thing? How was this measured, and how many were sampled (cherry-picked)? Forgive my skepticism, but, really? It hasn't taken the new Director of Children's Services to show his value for money - his salary is £109,117. It's not hard to see why @stonehousejon on twitter has a particular political bias for those he follows - interesting 'data' that is?!!! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 6

11:35am Mon 28 Jul 14

meme says...

Is there a proven link between poverty and underperformance in York? If so can we have proof please as to where this is proven and whose research..
Why is this underachievement happening most in schools where the kids are not disadvantaged...see the quote ''We are seeing this more acutely in schools where there are less disadvantaged pupils, but it is evident across the city''
It seems to me there may well be poor achievement but the causes are far from known and may be due to bad teachers/bad schools generally I n York and may/may not have any link with poverty as although there are pockets of deprivation in York we are hardly poor compared with other towns nearby.... yet we perform worse...why?
but it suits our pedlars of left wing drivel to blame it all on poverty rather than find out the real causes
Is there a proven link between poverty and underperformance in York? If so can we have proof please as to where this is proven and whose research.. Why is this underachievement happening most in schools where the kids are not disadvantaged...see the quote ''We are seeing this more acutely in schools where there are less disadvantaged pupils, but it is evident across the city'' It seems to me there may well be poor achievement but the causes are far from known and may be due to bad teachers/bad schools generally I n York and may/may not have any link with poverty as although there are pockets of deprivation in York we are hardly poor compared with other towns nearby.... yet we perform worse...why? but it suits our pedlars of left wing drivel to blame it all on poverty rather than find out the real causes meme
  • Score: 0

12:11pm Mon 28 Jul 14

nearlyman says...

andyjon12 wrote:
nearlyman wrote:
Too many parents in York lack ambition for their offspring. That ambition needs to include interest, enthusiasm and involvement in their education and not regarding it as a chore. Children are not fashion accessories.....they involve you in both commitment and sacrifice.
"children are not fashion accessories" - please enlighten me. What a ridiculous comment - and presumably from someone representing the teaching profession.
Where have you been Andy ? I certainly do not represent the teaching profession !! The comment about fashion accessories is aimed at those (usually younger people) who think, wouldn't it be nice to have a baby when they are barely adults themselves, have certainly not established themselves in todays world, and have a limited notion of how children are a life long commitment for which the parent should contribute far more than their biological capability.
[quote][p][bold]andyjon12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: Too many parents in York lack ambition for their offspring. That ambition needs to include interest, enthusiasm and involvement in their education and not regarding it as a chore. Children are not fashion accessories.....they involve you in both commitment and sacrifice.[/p][/quote]"children are not fashion accessories" - please enlighten me. What a ridiculous comment - and presumably from someone representing the teaching profession.[/p][/quote]Where have you been Andy ? I certainly do not represent the teaching profession !! The comment about fashion accessories is aimed at those (usually younger people) who think, wouldn't it be nice to have a baby when they are barely adults themselves, have certainly not established themselves in todays world, and have a limited notion of how children are a life long commitment for which the parent should contribute far more than their biological capability. nearlyman
  • Score: 12

12:42pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Stevie D says...

meme wrote:
although there are pockets of deprivation in York we are hardly poor compared with other towns nearby.... yet we perform worse...why?

Kids who live in poverty are far more likely to have troubled home lives than those who are financially better off. No, it's not a hard and fast rule, and there are plenty of exceptions on both sides, but there is a very definite correlation between the two. And kids who have troubled home lives usually need a lot more support at school in order to achieve their potential, because they aren't getting that support at home.

That's where the small numbers come in. As you say, York has relatively low levels of deprivation compared with a lot of other cities. But what that means is that a lot of schools don't have as much experience of helping those kids, because they don't see many of them. Go to schools in rougher cities and they will know exactly what to do when a kid starts telling the teacher about their mum being on drugs, because it happens a lot. Schools that don't see kids with those kind of problems as often probably won't have the support systems in place.
[quote][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: although there are pockets of deprivation in York we are hardly poor compared with other towns nearby.... yet we perform worse...why?[/quote] Kids who live in poverty are far more likely to have troubled home lives than those who are financially better off. No, it's not a hard and fast rule, and there are plenty of exceptions on both sides, but there is a very definite correlation between the two. And kids who have troubled home lives usually need a lot more support at school in order to achieve their potential, because they aren't getting that support at home. That's where the small numbers come in. As you say, York has relatively low levels of deprivation compared with a lot of other cities. But what that means is that a lot of schools don't have as much experience of helping those kids, because they don't see many of them. Go to schools in rougher cities and they will know exactly what to do when a kid starts telling the teacher about their mum being on drugs, because it happens a lot. Schools that don't see kids with those kind of problems as often probably won't have the support systems in place. Stevie D
  • Score: 15

1:21pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Alf Garnett says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
It's all getting a bit predictable isn't it?

The CYC leftist regime's obsession with poverty....

The use of 'data', now there's a thing?

How was this measured, and how many were sampled (cherry-picked)?

Forgive my skepticism, but, really?

It hasn't taken the new Director of Children's Services to show his value for money - his salary is £109,117.

It's not hard to see why @stonehousejon on twitter has a particular political bias for those he follows - interesting 'data' that is?!!!
The study, whatever its base data, is uniform across the country, therefore it is relevant. York is being compared with other authority areas. As for the "obsession with poverty", no less a figure than Christine Lagarde, of the IMF has identified inequality and poverty as the major problem facing the world. That doesn't just mean poverty in Africa or Asia, it means poverty which denies people the ability to participate fully in civic life in their country of residence.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: It's all getting a bit predictable isn't it? The CYC leftist regime's obsession with poverty.... The use of 'data', now there's a thing? How was this measured, and how many were sampled (cherry-picked)? Forgive my skepticism, but, really? It hasn't taken the new Director of Children's Services to show his value for money - his salary is £109,117. It's not hard to see why @stonehousejon on twitter has a particular political bias for those he follows - interesting 'data' that is?!!![/p][/quote]The study, whatever its base data, is uniform across the country, therefore it is relevant. York is being compared with other authority areas. As for the "obsession with poverty", no less a figure than Christine Lagarde, of the IMF has identified inequality and poverty as the major problem facing the world. That doesn't just mean poverty in Africa or Asia, it means poverty which denies people the ability to participate fully in civic life in their country of residence. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 5

1:54pm Mon 28 Jul 14

JHardacre says...

andyjon12 wrote:
Condescending, under performing, out of touch, back covering, unambitious and uninspiring teachers are surely to blame.
As you won't find any such teachers in York I'm not sure of the relevance of your comment.
[quote][p][bold]andyjon12[/bold] wrote: Condescending, under performing, out of touch, back covering, unambitious and uninspiring teachers are surely to blame.[/p][/quote]As you won't find any such teachers in York I'm not sure of the relevance of your comment. JHardacre
  • Score: 0

2:15pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: It's all getting a bit predictable isn't it? The CYC leftist regime's obsession with poverty.... The use of 'data', now there's a thing? How was this measured, and how many were sampled (cherry-picked)? Forgive my skepticism, but, really? It hasn't taken the new Director of Children's Services to show his value for money - his salary is £109,117. It's not hard to see why @stonehousejon on twitter has a particular political bias for those he follows - interesting 'data' that is?!!!
The study, whatever its base data, is uniform across the country, therefore it is relevant. York is being compared with other authority areas. As for the "obsession with poverty", no less a figure than Christine Lagarde, of the IMF has identified inequality and poverty as the major problem facing the world. That doesn't just mean poverty in Africa or Asia, it means poverty which denies people the ability to participate fully in civic life in their country of residence.
Inequality and poverty has always existed, and will always exist - that's the way of the world!

The left pounce on it at every opportunity to push their agenda, and in York it's become an obsession with the cultural political charitable educational elitist clique seeking to control the city.

I don't trust York council to produce 'data' that is uniform, consistent or fair. They have a reputration for skewing/manipulating reports and surveys to provide the results that fit their agenda. just look at Lendal Bridge and the Get York Building survey as examples.

More stitch-ups than a singer sewing machine!
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: It's all getting a bit predictable isn't it? The CYC leftist regime's obsession with poverty.... The use of 'data', now there's a thing? How was this measured, and how many were sampled (cherry-picked)? Forgive my skepticism, but, really? It hasn't taken the new Director of Children's Services to show his value for money - his salary is £109,117. It's not hard to see why @stonehousejon on twitter has a particular political bias for those he follows - interesting 'data' that is?!!![/p][/quote]The study, whatever its base data, is uniform across the country, therefore it is relevant. York is being compared with other authority areas. As for the "obsession with poverty", no less a figure than Christine Lagarde, of the IMF has identified inequality and poverty as the major problem facing the world. That doesn't just mean poverty in Africa or Asia, it means poverty which denies people the ability to participate fully in civic life in their country of residence.[/p][/quote]Inequality and poverty has always existed, and will always exist - that's the way of the world! The left pounce on it at every opportunity to push their agenda, and in York it's become an obsession with the cultural political charitable educational elitist clique seeking to control the city. I don't trust York council to produce 'data' that is uniform, consistent or fair. They have a reputration for skewing/manipulating reports and surveys to provide the results that fit their agenda. just look at Lendal Bridge and the Get York Building survey as examples. More stitch-ups than a singer sewing machine! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 0

2:52pm Mon 28 Jul 14

HoofHearteds says...

Private Elite education with the best teachers, poached from the poor peoples state school system and smaller classes, with a grooming culture aimed at preparing these posh future leaders at running and exploiting the kids from the poor schooling system, is the goal.

Two worlds. One for the peasants and the other for the privileged.

Were all in this together my ( )( )
Private Elite education with the best teachers, poached from the poor peoples state school system and smaller classes, with a grooming culture aimed at preparing these posh future leaders at running and exploiting the kids from the poor schooling system, is the goal. Two worlds. One for the peasants and the other for the privileged. Were all in this together my ( )( ) HoofHearteds
  • Score: -3

2:56pm Mon 28 Jul 14

nearlyman says...

HoofHearteds wrote:
Private Elite education with the best teachers, poached from the poor peoples state school system and smaller classes, with a grooming culture aimed at preparing these posh future leaders at running and exploiting the kids from the poor schooling system, is the goal.

Two worlds. One for the peasants and the other for the privileged.

Were all in this together my ( )( )
Move into this century, you antique !
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: Private Elite education with the best teachers, poached from the poor peoples state school system and smaller classes, with a grooming culture aimed at preparing these posh future leaders at running and exploiting the kids from the poor schooling system, is the goal. Two worlds. One for the peasants and the other for the privileged. Were all in this together my ( )( )[/p][/quote]Move into this century, you antique ! nearlyman
  • Score: 6

2:59pm Mon 28 Jul 14

andyjon12 says...

nearlyman wrote:
andyjon12 wrote:
nearlyman wrote:
Too many parents in York lack ambition for their offspring. That ambition needs to include interest, enthusiasm and involvement in their education and not regarding it as a chore. Children are not fashion accessories.....they involve you in both commitment and sacrifice.
"children are not fashion accessories" - please enlighten me. What a ridiculous comment - and presumably from someone representing the teaching profession.
Where have you been Andy ? I certainly do not represent the teaching profession !! The comment about fashion accessories is aimed at those (usually younger people) who think, wouldn't it be nice to have a baby when they are barely adults themselves, have certainly not established themselves in todays world, and have a limited notion of how children are a life long commitment for which the parent should contribute far more than their biological capability.
NONSENSE - what a ridiculously simplistic and discriminatory opinion you hold. In addition - your comments are not relevant to the article anyway.

I'm more and more astounded and concerned day by day - hearing these kind of bigoted and uninformed Right Wing views. God help us all if people don't stand up to this way of thinking.
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyjon12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: Too many parents in York lack ambition for their offspring. That ambition needs to include interest, enthusiasm and involvement in their education and not regarding it as a chore. Children are not fashion accessories.....they involve you in both commitment and sacrifice.[/p][/quote]"children are not fashion accessories" - please enlighten me. What a ridiculous comment - and presumably from someone representing the teaching profession.[/p][/quote]Where have you been Andy ? I certainly do not represent the teaching profession !! The comment about fashion accessories is aimed at those (usually younger people) who think, wouldn't it be nice to have a baby when they are barely adults themselves, have certainly not established themselves in todays world, and have a limited notion of how children are a life long commitment for which the parent should contribute far more than their biological capability.[/p][/quote]NONSENSE - what a ridiculously simplistic and discriminatory opinion you hold. In addition - your comments are not relevant to the article anyway. I'm more and more astounded and concerned day by day - hearing these kind of bigoted and uninformed Right Wing views. God help us all if people don't stand up to this way of thinking. andyjon12
  • Score: -1

3:25pm Mon 28 Jul 14

asd says...

andyjon12 wrote:
nearlyman wrote:
andyjon12 wrote:
nearlyman wrote:
Too many parents in York lack ambition for their offspring. That ambition needs to include interest, enthusiasm and involvement in their education and not regarding it as a chore. Children are not fashion accessories.....they involve you in both commitment and sacrifice.
"children are not fashion accessories" - please enlighten me. What a ridiculous comment - and presumably from someone representing the teaching profession.
Where have you been Andy ? I certainly do not represent the teaching profession !! The comment about fashion accessories is aimed at those (usually younger people) who think, wouldn't it be nice to have a baby when they are barely adults themselves, have certainly not established themselves in todays world, and have a limited notion of how children are a life long commitment for which the parent should contribute far more than their biological capability.
NONSENSE - what a ridiculously simplistic and discriminatory opinion you hold. In addition - your comments are not relevant to the article anyway.

I'm more and more astounded and concerned day by day - hearing these kind of bigoted and uninformed Right Wing views. God help us all if people don't stand up to this way of thinking.
you are so spot on, this country is getting so far right wing I fear for my kids future.
[quote][p][bold]andyjon12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyjon12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: Too many parents in York lack ambition for their offspring. That ambition needs to include interest, enthusiasm and involvement in their education and not regarding it as a chore. Children are not fashion accessories.....they involve you in both commitment and sacrifice.[/p][/quote]"children are not fashion accessories" - please enlighten me. What a ridiculous comment - and presumably from someone representing the teaching profession.[/p][/quote]Where have you been Andy ? I certainly do not represent the teaching profession !! The comment about fashion accessories is aimed at those (usually younger people) who think, wouldn't it be nice to have a baby when they are barely adults themselves, have certainly not established themselves in todays world, and have a limited notion of how children are a life long commitment for which the parent should contribute far more than their biological capability.[/p][/quote]NONSENSE - what a ridiculously simplistic and discriminatory opinion you hold. In addition - your comments are not relevant to the article anyway. I'm more and more astounded and concerned day by day - hearing these kind of bigoted and uninformed Right Wing views. God help us all if people don't stand up to this way of thinking.[/p][/quote]you are so spot on, this country is getting so far right wing I fear for my kids future. asd
  • Score: -2

3:30pm Mon 28 Jul 14

meme says...

andyjon 12
I agree there is a lot of right wing stuff on here but fail to see why you are accusing Nearlyman of right wing drivel? it seems to me many of his comments are common sense. why have kids if you cannot afford them. why have kids when you are barely an adult I have 3 kids and they are a lifelong commitment, expensive and have taken both of us and all our knowledge and skills to bring up as well as we think we can. They have not grown up in poverty or with junkie parents but they were still hard work and I cannot imagine how virtually impossible it must be to bring kids into the world and make sure they grow into decent adults if you are not financially or metally prepared for them
I think that's what Nearlyman means and he's right
andyjon 12 I agree there is a lot of right wing stuff on here but fail to see why you are accusing Nearlyman of right wing drivel? it seems to me many of his comments are common sense. why have kids if you cannot afford them. why have kids when you are barely an adult I have 3 kids and they are a lifelong commitment, expensive and have taken both of us and [yes we are still a 2 parent family] all our knowledge and skills to bring up as well as we think we can. They have not grown up in poverty or with junkie parents but they were still hard work and I cannot imagine how virtually impossible it must be to bring kids into the world and make sure they grow into decent adults if you are not financially or metally prepared for them I think that's what Nearlyman means and he's right [not right wing!] meme
  • Score: 5

3:35pm Mon 28 Jul 14

piaggio1 says...

And of course all the so called lefty.s??. Send THEIR brats to a state school !!!!!!!!
Yea right.!!!!!
I lay the blame on the parents....as in..its not my job to teach ..christ most of em are.nt even potty trained....the kids .i mean. Prob most of the parents as well..
And of course all the so called lefty.s??. Send THEIR brats to a state school !!!!!!!! Yea right.!!!!! I lay the blame on the parents....as in..its not my job to teach ..christ most of em are.nt even potty trained....the kids .i mean. Prob most of the parents as well.. piaggio1
  • Score: -1

3:58pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Jack Ham says...

I know. Why don't we have a Fairness Commission to look at how we can reduce 'inequalities'? We might have to borrow thousands of pounds but the tax payers of York surely won't mind.

And once we've spent the money, attended the receptions and eaten the canopes we'll report back to the people of York on how we will fix this.

Oh wait....we can't actually find any solutions.

Never mind. Let's host an international Fairness Commission, invite the brightest of a Yorks left wing and do it again. According to Cllr Sonja Crisp (Bloodaxe, Hoof Hearted, or whatever her name is today) the £18K cost is just "peanuts".

And then we'll report back on what we can do in York to change things.

Oh wait......
I know. Why don't we have a Fairness Commission to look at how we can reduce 'inequalities'? We might have to borrow thousands of pounds but the tax payers of York surely won't mind. And once we've spent the money, attended the receptions and eaten the canopes we'll report back to the people of York on how we will fix this. Oh wait....we can't actually find any solutions. Never mind. Let's host an international Fairness Commission, invite the brightest of a Yorks left wing and do it again. According to Cllr Sonja Crisp (Bloodaxe, Hoof Hearted, or whatever her name is today) the £18K cost is just "peanuts". And then we'll report back on what we can do in York to change things. Oh wait...... Jack Ham
  • Score: 2

4:02pm Mon 28 Jul 14

York2000 says...

piaggio1 says...

And of course all the so called lefty.s??. Send THEIR brats to a state school !!!!!!!!
Yea right.!!!!!
I lay the blame on the parents....as in..its not my job to teach ..christ most of em are.nt even potty trained....the kids .i mean. Prob most of the parents as well..

Well the poor kids and the 'lefty' parents will probably use better grammar and spelling than you... Glass houses and all that...
piaggio1 says... And of course all the so called lefty.s??. Send THEIR brats to a state school !!!!!!!! Yea right.!!!!! I lay the blame on the parents....as in..its not my job to teach ..christ most of em are.nt even potty trained....the kids .i mean. Prob most of the parents as well.. Well the poor kids and the 'lefty' parents will probably use better grammar and spelling than you... Glass houses and all that... York2000
  • Score: 7

4:13pm Mon 28 Jul 14

nearlyman says...

meme wrote:
andyjon 12
I agree there is a lot of right wing stuff on here but fail to see why you are accusing Nearlyman of right wing drivel? it seems to me many of his comments are common sense. why have kids if you cannot afford them. why have kids when you are barely an adult I have 3 kids and they are a lifelong commitment, expensive and have taken both of us and all our knowledge and skills to bring up as well as we think we can. They have not grown up in poverty or with junkie parents but they were still hard work and I cannot imagine how virtually impossible it must be to bring kids into the world and make sure they grow into decent adults if you are not financially or metally prepared for them
I think that's what Nearlyman means and he's right
Thank you for your comments meme. For the record, I do consider myself to be more to the right than left and am happy to defend my views. I am also happy to defend the teaching profession against the disgraceful earlier slur of andyjohn. In my experience of meeting teachers at parents evenings etc. they are so much more inspiring than many of those who had to contend with me (yes, that way round !!). The vast majority are truly enthusiastic about giving their pupils the best possible advantage in life. However, as i indicated earlier, they may sew many seeds but without the help in watering them and not trampling them, many fewer will achieve their fullest potential. That is the biggest scandal of all.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: andyjon 12 I agree there is a lot of right wing stuff on here but fail to see why you are accusing Nearlyman of right wing drivel? it seems to me many of his comments are common sense. why have kids if you cannot afford them. why have kids when you are barely an adult I have 3 kids and they are a lifelong commitment, expensive and have taken both of us and [yes we are still a 2 parent family] all our knowledge and skills to bring up as well as we think we can. They have not grown up in poverty or with junkie parents but they were still hard work and I cannot imagine how virtually impossible it must be to bring kids into the world and make sure they grow into decent adults if you are not financially or metally prepared for them I think that's what Nearlyman means and he's right [not right wing!][/p][/quote]Thank you for your comments meme. For the record, I do consider myself to be more to the right than left and am happy to defend my views. I am also happy to defend the teaching profession against the disgraceful earlier slur of andyjohn. In my experience of meeting teachers at parents evenings etc. they are so much more inspiring than many of those who had to contend with me (yes, that way round !!). The vast majority are truly enthusiastic about giving their pupils the best possible advantage in life. However, as i indicated earlier, they may sew many seeds but without the help in watering them and not trampling them, many fewer will achieve their fullest potential. That is the biggest scandal of all. nearlyman
  • Score: 1

5:49pm Mon 28 Jul 14

piaggio1 says...

If all your reppply iz aboutme spellin n gramer.n punktuation ......yu dont half sound like a DM reeder......whoever they r?????
Fanx...
If all your reppply iz aboutme spellin n gramer.n punktuation ......yu dont half sound like a DM reeder......whoever they r????? Fanx... piaggio1
  • Score: -3

7:31pm Mon 28 Jul 14

JHardacre says...

HoofHearteds wrote:
Private Elite education with the best teachers, poached from the poor peoples state school system and smaller classes, with a grooming culture aimed at preparing these posh future leaders at running and exploiting the kids from the poor schooling system, is the goal.

Two worlds. One for the peasants and the other for the privileged.

Were all in this together my ( )( )
Someone else who doesn't know what they are talking about.
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: Private Elite education with the best teachers, poached from the poor peoples state school system and smaller classes, with a grooming culture aimed at preparing these posh future leaders at running and exploiting the kids from the poor schooling system, is the goal. Two worlds. One for the peasants and the other for the privileged. Were all in this together my ( )( )[/p][/quote]Someone else who doesn't know what they are talking about. JHardacre
  • Score: 5

11:45pm Mon 28 Jul 14

truthseeker2 says...

Badgers drift, you sound a bit paranoid to me.
Badgers drift, you sound a bit paranoid to me. truthseeker2
  • Score: 1

12:46am Tue 29 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

truthseeker2 wrote:
Badgers drift, you sound a bit paranoid to me.
No, not at all - just well -informed and aware of what is going on in York.

The cat is out of the bag vis-a-vis the cultural political charitable educational elitist clique seeking to control York!
[quote][p][bold]truthseeker2[/bold] wrote: Badgers drift, you sound a bit paranoid to me.[/p][/quote]No, not at all - just well -informed and aware of what is going on in York. The cat is out of the bag vis-a-vis the cultural political charitable educational elitist clique seeking to control York! Badgers Drift
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2:39am Tue 29 Jul 14

ElsieLady says...

The statistics used are national statistics, e.g. The SATs results of children from disadvantaged families v the rest. Narrowing the gap is what the Pupil Premium Grant is supposed to address. There are too many party posters on this. It is about getting children out of poverty by giving them a great start in life. How can anyone not agree with that?
The statistics used are national statistics, e.g. The SATs results of children from disadvantaged families v the rest. Narrowing the gap is what the Pupil Premium Grant is supposed to address. There are too many party posters on this. It is about getting children out of poverty by giving them a great start in life. How can anyone not agree with that? ElsieLady
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8:58am Tue 29 Jul 14

York2000 says...

piaggio1

;-)
piaggio1 ;-) York2000
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