Twenty arrests on evening of alcohol-fuelled disorder in York city centre - man suffers serious ear injury

A fight took place outside Popworld in George Hudson Street on Saturday

A fight took place outside Popworld in George Hudson Street on Saturday

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POLICE arrested 20 people on an evening of alcohol-fuelled disorder in York which left one man with a serious ear injury.

North Yorkshire Police said there were several fights on Saturday night in the George Hudson Street/Micklegate area, including one outside Popworld nightclub where the number of people involved was into double figures.

A spokesman said that a man was taken to hospital with a serious ear injury and a minor head injury after that incident, which happened at 8.40pm and led to the closure of George Hudson Street for more than an hour while the crime scene was taped off.

One person was arrested after the incident, who remained in police custody yesterday.

Deployment manager Paul Richardson said the disorder was related to the over-consumption of alcohol and was 'very disappointing.'

He added that one arrest had been made so far but inquiries were continuing.

He said extra officers had been on duty because it was a Saturday and there was a meeting at York Racecourse but the day had been relatively trouble free until 8pm, when the trouble started.

A force spokeswoman said that 20 people were arrested in York in the period up to midnight for a variety of offences, with a total of 48 arrests across the whole force area.

"We were extremely busy, with double the number of 999 calls compared to the night before."

Police control room staff tweeted last night: "Disgusting scenes in York on cctv. Yet again alcohol being abused and the violence erupts...Just watched a group of drunks start a fight in front of officers."

Some Press online readers have blamed racegoers coming into town after yesterday's meeting for the drunken violence but racecourse spokesman James Brennan said this afternoon that it took the licensing laws 'absolutely seriously,' insisted racegoers were not served drinks if they were drunk and suggested people had bought and consumed alcohol at on and off licences on their way in to the city centre after the meeting.

He added that there were no arrests at the racecourse, where there was a 'very pleasant' atmosphere.

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7:24am Sun 27 Jul 14

ndevr says...

Why is the racecourse allowed to keep bars open for so long on a Saturday race meeting, surely it's time to curb the number of bars there and reduce the hours they operate.
Why is the racecourse allowed to keep bars open for so long on a Saturday race meeting, surely it's time to curb the number of bars there and reduce the hours they operate. ndevr
  • Score: 88

7:25am Sun 27 Jul 14

Stevie D says...

A races day, and there is alcohol related trouble. What a bluddy surprise.

If the racecourse can't be trusted to serve alcohol responsibly - ie, not to people who are already drunk, which is illegal but exceedingly commonplace - then revoke their licence to serve alcohol altogether. And do the same for all pubs and restaurants across the city centre.

I have no objection to people having a few drinks, but the pattern of drunkenness we see every weekend and every race day goes way beyond that, and must be stopped for the good of the city.
A races day, and there is alcohol related trouble. What a bluddy surprise. If the racecourse can't be trusted to serve alcohol responsibly - ie, not to people who are already drunk, which is illegal but exceedingly commonplace - then revoke their licence to serve alcohol altogether. And do the same for all pubs and restaurants across the city centre. I have no objection to people having a few drinks, but the pattern of drunkenness we see every weekend and every race day goes way beyond that, and must be stopped for the good of the city. Stevie D
  • Score: 125

7:30am Sun 27 Jul 14

ndevr says...

York Racecourse needs to reduce the number of Saturday meetings otherwise it's going to gain a totally unwanted reputation amongst the horse racing gentry. How many of these Saturday "racegoers" Know what a horse looks like?.
York Racecourse needs to reduce the number of Saturday meetings otherwise it's going to gain a totally unwanted reputation amongst the horse racing gentry. How many of these Saturday "racegoers" Know what a horse looks like?. ndevr
  • Score: 95

7:56am Sun 27 Jul 14

goatman says...

I was at Sunderland Air Show amongst a 100000 crowd. Drinking was controlled and restricted to limited areas only. Despite the heat I witnessed no issues at all. On returning to York station at 7:30pm the place was an alcoholic shambles, and leaving York on the bus home you could feel hat it was all going to kick off then. However until people start taking a bit of self-responsibility this will always be the case on Race Days.
I was at Sunderland Air Show amongst a 100000 crowd. Drinking was controlled and restricted to limited areas only. Despite the heat I witnessed no issues at all. On returning to York station at 7:30pm the place was an alcoholic shambles, and leaving York on the bus home you could feel hat it was all going to kick off then. However until people start taking a bit of self-responsibility this will always be the case on Race Days. goatman
  • Score: 112

7:59am Sun 27 Jul 14

Stralzi says...

York is a beautiful but come raceday or any Saturday night and it turns ugly. When will the council wake up and realise this situation is unacceptable. They condone it through allowing so many inner centre bars to open and sell cheap alcohol. I have seen this behaviour at 5pm in the city centre - let's throw these idiots out of York; we don't want nor need them.
York is a beautiful but come raceday or any Saturday night and it turns ugly. When will the council wake up and realise this situation is unacceptable. They condone it through allowing so many inner centre bars to open and sell cheap alcohol. I have seen this behaviour at 5pm in the city centre - let's throw these idiots out of York; we don't want nor need them. Stralzi
  • Score: 116

8:10am Sun 27 Jul 14

tinkerbell-1000 says...

Doormen who let any states in for profit, barstaff who serve them tho they clearly had enough, poorly mannned events. Violence is enavitable. Isnt it part of licence to refuse when you can see theyve had enough?
Doormen who let any states in for profit, barstaff who serve them tho they clearly had enough, poorly mannned events. Violence is enavitable. Isnt it part of licence to refuse when you can see theyve had enough? tinkerbell-1000
  • Score: 69

8:18am Sun 27 Jul 14

notmyrealname says...

So back to normal after the success of the TDF weekend - thousands of people can come to York to see some bikes and not cause any trouble at all. Now back to a load of idiots in cheap silver suits trying to be something bigger than they are and not succeeding. Avoid anywhere near Ouse Bridge on a race day - tourists hide in their hotels at the weekends - how is that helping Yorks image ?....
So back to normal after the success of the TDF weekend - thousands of people can come to York to see some bikes and not cause any trouble at all. Now back to a load of idiots in cheap silver suits trying to be something bigger than they are and not succeeding. Avoid anywhere near Ouse Bridge on a race day - tourists hide in their hotels at the weekends - how is that helping Yorks image ?.... notmyrealname
  • Score: 138

8:33am Sun 27 Jul 14

piaggio1 says...

Ahhh. Thugs in £40 suits..now if this wer a bunch o skinheads/angels/ footaball u know the list.....and as for the women !!!!!
Ahhh. Thugs in £40 suits..now if this wer a bunch o skinheads/angels/ footaball u know the list.....and as for the women !!!!! piaggio1
  • Score: 71

8:44am Sun 27 Jul 14

bolero says...

Stralzi wrote:
York is a beautiful but come raceday or any Saturday night and it turns ugly. When will the council wake up and realise this situation is unacceptable. They condone it through allowing so many inner centre bars to open and sell cheap alcohol. I have seen this behaviour at 5pm in the city centre - let's throw these idiots out of York; we don't want nor need them.
They're only good at closing bridges.
[quote][p][bold]Stralzi[/bold] wrote: York is a beautiful but come raceday or any Saturday night and it turns ugly. When will the council wake up and realise this situation is unacceptable. They condone it through allowing so many inner centre bars to open and sell cheap alcohol. I have seen this behaviour at 5pm in the city centre - let's throw these idiots out of York; we don't want nor need them.[/p][/quote]They're only good at closing bridges. bolero
  • Score: 39

8:59am Sun 27 Jul 14

voiceofnormalpeople says...

How do you stop trouble in York during the day? Stop serving the hordes of Geordies that are **** by 3pm wandering around the town centre being complete d**k heads. that should cut the trouble by half.
How do you stop trouble in York during the day? Stop serving the hordes of Geordies that are **** by 3pm wandering around the town centre being complete d**k heads. that should cut the trouble by half. voiceofnormalpeople
  • Score: 116

8:59am Sun 27 Jul 14

CaroleBaines says...

Always the same when the races are here. If this were either of our two professional sports teams in York, there would be front page headlines and calls for them to be banned. Why do we have to put up with this behaviour?
Always the same when the races are here. If this were either of our two professional sports teams in York, there would be front page headlines and calls for them to be banned. Why do we have to put up with this behaviour? CaroleBaines
  • Score: 112

9:03am Sun 27 Jul 14

Funnyian says...

tinkerbell-1000 wrote:
Doormen who let any states in for profit, barstaff who serve them tho they clearly had enough, poorly mannned events. Violence is enavitable. Isnt it part of licence to refuse when you can see theyve had enough?
Whilst overall I agree with this comment I must point out the MOST doorstaff are careful on their admission of people who appear to be under the influence of alcohol I have found that some of the larger venues will have a manager on the door who will over ride the doorstaff just to get the numbers up, I am very lucky that my landlord has my respect to control entry and does not over ride any decision I make.
This problem is not restricted to race goers but the student population who ‘pre load’ I would be in favour of random checks at venues to see who are let in and what state they are on admission after all if as doorstaff we do let drunk people into our venues we can loose our SIA licence and our careers
[quote][p][bold]tinkerbell-1000[/bold] wrote: Doormen who let any states in for profit, barstaff who serve them tho they clearly had enough, poorly mannned events. Violence is enavitable. Isnt it part of licence to refuse when you can see theyve had enough?[/p][/quote]Whilst overall I agree with this comment I must point out the MOST doorstaff are careful on their admission of people who appear to be under the influence of alcohol I have found that some of the larger venues will have a manager on the door who will over ride the doorstaff just to get the numbers up, I am very lucky that my landlord has my respect to control entry and does not over ride any decision I make. This problem is not restricted to race goers but the student population who ‘pre load’ I would be in favour of random checks at venues to see who are let in and what state they are on admission after all if as doorstaff we do let drunk people into our venues we can loose our SIA licence and our careers Funnyian
  • Score: 50

9:13am Sun 27 Jul 14

Caecilius says...

I had the pleasure of getting on a train at Leeds early on Saturday afternoon, together with several packs of yelping, howling men - many of them old enough to know better, you might have thought - barging aboard on their way to York to get legless. I watched them pouring into town at the other end, effing and blinding. "Shaven monkeys" wouldn't be an unfair description, except to actual monkeys.
I had the pleasure of getting on a train at Leeds early on Saturday afternoon, together with several packs of yelping, howling men - many of them old enough to know better, you might have thought - barging aboard on their way to York to get legless. I watched them pouring into town at the other end, effing and blinding. "Shaven monkeys" wouldn't be an unfair description, except to actual monkeys. Caecilius
  • Score: 77

9:14am Sun 27 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Maquis will be along shortly to say "It's just people having fun".
Maquis will be along shortly to say "It's just people having fun". Pinza-C55
  • Score: 9

10:09am Sun 27 Jul 14

bolero says...

Caecilius wrote:
I had the pleasure of getting on a train at Leeds early on Saturday afternoon, together with several packs of yelping, howling men - many of them old enough to know better, you might have thought - barging aboard on their way to York to get legless. I watched them pouring into town at the other end, effing and blinding. "Shaven monkeys" wouldn't be an unfair description, except to actual monkeys.
Geordies from Liverpool?
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: I had the pleasure of getting on a train at Leeds early on Saturday afternoon, together with several packs of yelping, howling men - many of them old enough to know better, you might have thought - barging aboard on their way to York to get legless. I watched them pouring into town at the other end, effing and blinding. "Shaven monkeys" wouldn't be an unfair description, except to actual monkeys.[/p][/quote]Geordies from Liverpool? bolero
  • Score: -12

10:12am Sun 27 Jul 14

bolero says...

The thing is, a drunken `tyke` doesn't know the difference between a Geordie, Liverpudnian, Mancurian, Wearsider, or a Welshman.
The thing is, a drunken `tyke` doesn't know the difference between a Geordie, Liverpudnian, Mancurian, Wearsider, or a Welshman. bolero
  • Score: -11

10:32am Sun 27 Jul 14

Minsterred says...

I honestly don't know how york racecourse get away with it, the state of most people I saw yesterday very early evening ranged from glazed blank looking confusion to hyper aggressive and not much in between.
Any other licensed premises turning such large numbers of highly intoxicated people into the streets would be looked at very closely by the police, yet the racecourse seem to have no conscience, sense of responsibility or duty of care and seem to have a free pass to act in a totally irresponsible and dangerous way.
The impact these meetings have on hospital staff, police and other already stretched public services should also not be under estimated.
I honestly don't know how york racecourse get away with it, the state of most people I saw yesterday very early evening ranged from glazed blank looking confusion to hyper aggressive and not much in between. Any other licensed premises turning such large numbers of highly intoxicated people into the streets would be looked at very closely by the police, yet the racecourse seem to have no conscience, sense of responsibility or duty of care and seem to have a free pass to act in a totally irresponsible and dangerous way. The impact these meetings have on hospital staff, police and other already stretched public services should also not be under estimated. Minsterred
  • Score: 86

10:38am Sun 27 Jul 14

smudge2 says...

Wait for the Ebor meeting if you think the July one was bad..the travelling community make these lads look like **** cats.!!!
Wait for the Ebor meeting if you think the July one was bad..the travelling community make these lads look like **** cats.!!! smudge2
  • Score: 59

10:47am Sun 27 Jul 14

YO1 says...

The police and the licensing authority have the ability to curb bar opening hours and revoke licences. No surprise, the police rake in overtime hours and the licencees rake in £thousands each race day. The City guardians are shameful in their unwillingness to act.
The police and the licensing authority have the ability to curb bar opening hours and revoke licences. No surprise, the police rake in overtime hours and the licencees rake in £thousands each race day. The City guardians are shameful in their unwillingness to act. YO1
  • Score: 55

10:58am Sun 27 Jul 14

Poppy01 says...

I drove past the station at 11am yesterday and saw someone stood there with an advertising placard that had a large arrow on it pointing to the city centre with the words “this way to the pubs”
It’s a disgrace and should not be allowed. The City is becoming known for its pubs and nightlife, it is more like Prague at its worst every weekend.
I drove past the station at 11am yesterday and saw someone stood there with an advertising placard that had a large arrow on it pointing to the city centre with the words “this way to the pubs” It’s a disgrace and should not be allowed. The City is becoming known for its pubs and nightlife, it is more like Prague at its worst every weekend. Poppy01
  • Score: 58

11:04am Sun 27 Jul 14

walkdengirl says...

We went out last night for a meal and the states some people were in at 7.30 was disgusting. the whole atmosphere felt threatening and you could feel something would kick off. they are no better than hooligans in suits. Actually fair play to the door men at the roman bath and 3 cranes who did turn people away and keep order.

What image does this portray to visitors? you come to York because we're a lovely city and you end up seeing people vomiting in the street, lying in the gutter and fighting.

Something has to be done.
We went out last night for a meal and the states some people were in at 7.30 was disgusting. the whole atmosphere felt threatening and you could feel something would kick off. they are no better than hooligans in suits. Actually fair play to the door men at the roman bath and 3 cranes who did turn people away and keep order. What image does this portray to visitors? you come to York because we're a lovely city and you end up seeing people vomiting in the street, lying in the gutter and fighting. Something has to be done. walkdengirl
  • Score: 82

11:12am Sun 27 Jul 14

PositiveFootball says...

York racecourse will again say that it has nothing to do with them as the problems occur later. There is a direct correlation between race days and trouble in York centre. All Yorkies know to stay out of town when there is a race meeting on. York racecourse start the fire then deny any responsibility! Come on Mr Brennan grow some b**** and take some action before something really serious happens. As someone stated earlier if this happened after a York City match then there would be sanctions against the club.
York racecourse will again say that it has nothing to do with them as the problems occur later. There is a direct correlation between race days and trouble in York centre. All Yorkies know to stay out of town when there is a race meeting on. York racecourse start the fire then deny any responsibility! Come on Mr Brennan grow some b**** and take some action before something really serious happens. As someone stated earlier if this happened after a York City match then there would be sanctions against the club. PositiveFootball
  • Score: 96

11:16am Sun 27 Jul 14

nearlyman says...

Money talks !!
Money talks !! nearlyman
  • Score: 35

11:25am Sun 27 Jul 14

Oncebitten says...

I would like to know that stats for a "normal" Saturday night....don't think 20 seems that many considering the amount of people that attended the races and were generally out and about in York....
This is yet again sensationalism!!
I would like to know that stats for a "normal" Saturday night....don't think 20 seems that many considering the amount of people that attended the races and were generally out and about in York.... This is yet again sensationalism!! Oncebitten
  • Score: -58

11:26am Sun 27 Jul 14

sortyorkout says...

Stevie D wrote:
A races day, and there is alcohol related trouble. What a bluddy surprise.

If the racecourse can't be trusted to serve alcohol responsibly - ie, not to people who are already drunk, which is illegal but exceedingly commonplace - then revoke their licence to serve alcohol altogether. And do the same for all pubs and restaurants across the city centre.

I have no objection to people having a few drinks, but the pattern of drunkenness we see every weekend and every race day goes way beyond that, and must be stopped for the good of the city.
That's spot on.

York Racecourse 'ship in' temp staff from all over Yorkshire to help with the hospitality services, many 18-21 year olds just after a bit of beer money themselves. They couldn't give a hoot what condition the customer is in. They just get told to serve as many people as possible as fast as they can.
[quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: A races day, and there is alcohol related trouble. What a bluddy surprise. If the racecourse can't be trusted to serve alcohol responsibly - ie, not to people who are already drunk, which is illegal but exceedingly commonplace - then revoke their licence to serve alcohol altogether. And do the same for all pubs and restaurants across the city centre. I have no objection to people having a few drinks, but the pattern of drunkenness we see every weekend and every race day goes way beyond that, and must be stopped for the good of the city.[/p][/quote]That's spot on. York Racecourse 'ship in' temp staff from all over Yorkshire to help with the hospitality services, many 18-21 year olds just after a bit of beer money themselves. They couldn't give a hoot what condition the customer is in. They just get told to serve as many people as possible as fast as they can. sortyorkout
  • Score: 60

11:28am Sun 27 Jul 14

courier46 says...

Anyone from the council care to comment?.
This has got to damage York from a tourist point of view and from someone who lives here not nice at all.
Anyone from the council care to comment?. This has got to damage York from a tourist point of view and from someone who lives here not nice at all. courier46
  • Score: 56

11:52am Sun 27 Jul 14

Can't all be wrong says...

Oncebitten wrote:
I would like to know that stats for a "normal" Saturday night....don't think 20 seems that many considering the amount of people that attended the races and were generally out and about in York....
This is yet again sensationalism!!
It isn't sensationalised. I watched these people with my own eyes staggering down Bishopthorpe Road, I watched them fight, watched them stagger into the road, watched them pass out in front of the very restaurant I was sitting in. There were dozens of men of all ages with badly fitting suits, bright red faces swearing, staggering along. All of these people had consumed vast amounts of booze that could only have been supplied by the race course. As others have pointed out, had this occurred at a football match, or a protest march of some kind, the police would have introduced "kettling" or other control strategies.
Serious questions now must be asked about this kind of behaviour. How can a warm summers evening in one of England's loveliest places become an embarrassing nightmare for the people who actually live here.
[quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: I would like to know that stats for a "normal" Saturday night....don't think 20 seems that many considering the amount of people that attended the races and were generally out and about in York.... This is yet again sensationalism!![/p][/quote]It isn't sensationalised. I watched these people with my own eyes staggering down Bishopthorpe Road, I watched them fight, watched them stagger into the road, watched them pass out in front of the very restaurant I was sitting in. There were dozens of men of all ages with badly fitting suits, bright red faces swearing, staggering along. All of these people had consumed vast amounts of booze that could only have been supplied by the race course. As others have pointed out, had this occurred at a football match, or a protest march of some kind, the police would have introduced "kettling" or other control strategies. Serious questions now must be asked about this kind of behaviour. How can a warm summers evening in one of England's loveliest places become an embarrassing nightmare for the people who actually live here. Can't all be wrong
  • Score: 105

12:06pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Yorkresident100 says...

York is increasingly becoming a no go area on Saturdays for York families, with race day making it worse. When are the Council going to start acting in the interests of York residents and make the City Centre safer and accessible for the people that actually live here!
York is increasingly becoming a no go area on Saturdays for York families, with race day making it worse. When are the Council going to start acting in the interests of York residents and make the City Centre safer and accessible for the people that actually live here! Yorkresident100
  • Score: 77

12:12pm Sun 27 Jul 14

PositiveFootball says...

Oncebitten wrote:
I would like to know that stats for a "normal" Saturday night....don't think 20 seems that many considering the amount of people that attended the races and were generally out and about in York....
This is yet again sensationalism!!
There isn't a 'normal' Saturday night in York with the stag nights and hen parties - the racemeeting just makes the 'normal' bad situation into an intollerable one!
[quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: I would like to know that stats for a "normal" Saturday night....don't think 20 seems that many considering the amount of people that attended the races and were generally out and about in York.... This is yet again sensationalism!![/p][/quote]There isn't a 'normal' Saturday night in York with the stag nights and hen parties - the racemeeting just makes the 'normal' bad situation into an intollerable one! PositiveFootball
  • Score: 37

12:12pm Sun 27 Jul 14

PositiveFootball says...

Oncebitten wrote:
I would like to know that stats for a "normal" Saturday night....don't think 20 seems that many considering the amount of people that attended the races and were generally out and about in York....
This is yet again sensationalism!!
There isn't a 'normal' Saturday night in York with the stag nights and hen parties - the racemeeting just makes the 'normal' bad situation into an intollerable one!
[quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: I would like to know that stats for a "normal" Saturday night....don't think 20 seems that many considering the amount of people that attended the races and were generally out and about in York.... This is yet again sensationalism!![/p][/quote]There isn't a 'normal' Saturday night in York with the stag nights and hen parties - the racemeeting just makes the 'normal' bad situation into an intollerable one! PositiveFootball
  • Score: 20

12:36pm Sun 27 Jul 14

steaknchips says...

The only clear solution is to introduce a system of rings and sumo wrestling suits into the city centre where tbe losers of these wrestling matches are immediately sent home, this would allow for the release of built up aggression and would ensure the drunkest people are no longer in the area, till the council starts thinking outside of the box this problem is not going to go away
The only clear solution is to introduce a system of rings and sumo wrestling suits into the city centre where tbe losers of these wrestling matches are immediately sent home, this would allow for the release of built up aggression and would ensure the drunkest people are no longer in the area, till the council starts thinking outside of the box this problem is not going to go away steaknchips
  • Score: -10

12:39pm Sun 27 Jul 14

yorkandproud says...

Yorkresident100 wrote:
York is increasingly becoming a no go area on Saturdays for York families, with race day making it worse. When are the Council going to start acting in the interests of York residents and make the City Centre safer and accessible for the people that actually live here!
"When are the Council going to start acting in the interests of York residents". Sadly, with this Labour controlled council, the answer is one word. Never.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkresident100[/bold] wrote: York is increasingly becoming a no go area on Saturdays for York families, with race day making it worse. When are the Council going to start acting in the interests of York residents and make the City Centre safer and accessible for the people that actually live here![/p][/quote]"When are the Council going to start acting in the interests of York residents". Sadly, with this Labour controlled council, the answer is one word. Never. yorkandproud
  • Score: 35

12:55pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Cheeky face says...

Racegoers now include people who like excess drinking. When I lived within a furlong of the course I noticed "racegoers" arriving already "in drink". In fact some coaches have a plethora of crates in the so called luggage areas. Sometimes these are half consumed before the racecourse opens. Local pubs are controlled rather well, but understandably race days are a boon for all local traders, and a delicate balance needs to be achieved.

Bar staff serve large drink orders often to one or two people of a group; can they be expected to look at all persons likely to be in those round of drinks?

The language can be lively from both sexes; and it's too often ignored and abuse takes place.

I bet Ripon and Redcar don't suffer like this ; but then again a mixture of good sunny summer's days, races and Saturdays in York is a strong concoction!

Bishy Rd street party area deserves better; as does the public be it locals or well behaved visitors.
Racegoers now include people who like excess drinking. When I lived within a furlong of the course I noticed "racegoers" arriving already "in drink". In fact some coaches have a plethora of crates in the so called luggage areas. Sometimes these are half consumed before the racecourse opens. Local pubs are controlled rather well, but understandably race days are a boon for all local traders, and a delicate balance needs to be achieved. Bar staff serve large drink orders often to one or two people of a group; can they be expected to look at all persons likely to be in those round of drinks? The language can be lively from both sexes; and it's too often ignored and abuse takes place. I bet Ripon and Redcar don't suffer like this ; but then again a mixture of good sunny summer's days, races and Saturdays in York is a strong concoction! Bishy Rd street party area deserves better; as does the public be it locals or well behaved visitors. Cheeky face
  • Score: 30

12:56pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Yeller Belly says...

Next week, there'll be a story about how many millions York Races is worth to the local economy...

It's a disgrace. Everyone knows it. The city is a toilet on race days.
Next week, there'll be a story about how many millions York Races is worth to the local economy... It's a disgrace. Everyone knows it. The city is a toilet on race days. Yeller Belly
  • Score: 62

12:56pm Sun 27 Jul 14

YorkDrinker says...

I'm not a prude or killjoy. I love a drink just as much as the next man and I frequently go to the races, but I know my limit and have never collapsed in the street, vomited publically or been in a brawl.

As a resident of York its disgraceful and sad to see what is happening to the town at a weekend and particularly when the races are on.

The simple answer is to educate people in responsibility, but frankly that is not going to work with the brainless idiots that are the problem.

So the issue needs addressing to protect OUR city. When big 'derby' football matches are played in some cities, the police have the power to close bars. Why not close all bars throughout the city until the first race starts - including the racecourse - rather than let people drink from 9am in the morning...

At the racecourse, maybe when you buy your race day ticket you get 6 'vouchers' and you only get a drink at a bar by handing over a voucher with your cash? Thats a drink between each race - does anyone need more than that? Its a horse racing event?

If you want to go further - how about residents only bars (show driving license or similar), dry trains into/out of York, banning stag/hen parties, fancy dress, over 25 bars for race days.

Maybe then the people causing the problem will be disuaded from coming to york to drink it dry, vomit all over it and fight their way home...
I'm not a prude or killjoy. I love a drink just as much as the next man and I frequently go to the races, but I know my limit and have never collapsed in the street, vomited publically or been in a brawl. As a resident of York its disgraceful and sad to see what is happening to the town at a weekend and particularly when the races are on. The simple answer is to educate people in responsibility, but frankly that is not going to work with the brainless idiots that are the problem. So the issue needs addressing to protect OUR city. When big 'derby' football matches are played in some cities, the police have the power to close bars. Why not close all bars throughout the city until the first race starts - including the racecourse - rather than let people drink from 9am in the morning... At the racecourse, maybe when you buy your race day ticket you get 6 'vouchers' and you only get a drink at a bar by handing over a voucher with your cash? Thats a drink between each race - does anyone need more than that? Its a horse racing event? If you want to go further - how about residents only bars (show driving license or similar), dry trains into/out of York, banning stag/hen parties, fancy dress, over 25 bars for race days. Maybe then the people causing the problem will be disuaded from coming to york to drink it dry, vomit all over it and fight their way home... YorkDrinker
  • Score: 67

12:59pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Cheeky face says...

Can't all be wrong wrote:
Oncebitten wrote:
I would like to know that stats for a "normal" Saturday night....don't think 20 seems that many considering the amount of people that attended the races and were generally out and about in York....
This is yet again sensationalism!!
It isn't sensationalised. I watched these people with my own eyes staggering down Bishopthorpe Road, I watched them fight, watched them stagger into the road, watched them pass out in front of the very restaurant I was sitting in. There were dozens of men of all ages with badly fitting suits, bright red faces swearing, staggering along. All of these people had consumed vast amounts of booze that could only have been supplied by the race course. As others have pointed out, had this occurred at a football match, or a protest march of some kind, the police would have introduced "kettling" or other control strategies.
Serious questions now must be asked about this kind of behaviour. How can a warm summers evening in one of England's loveliest places become an embarrassing nightmare for the people who actually live here.
Now do you know why I moved to Scarborough? The traffic and pollution plus these instances swung it for me. I re-visit only when I have to; and the council do not take on their role to create a nice city to be in and be visited.
[quote][p][bold]Can't all be wrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: I would like to know that stats for a "normal" Saturday night....don't think 20 seems that many considering the amount of people that attended the races and were generally out and about in York.... This is yet again sensationalism!![/p][/quote]It isn't sensationalised. I watched these people with my own eyes staggering down Bishopthorpe Road, I watched them fight, watched them stagger into the road, watched them pass out in front of the very restaurant I was sitting in. There were dozens of men of all ages with badly fitting suits, bright red faces swearing, staggering along. All of these people had consumed vast amounts of booze that could only have been supplied by the race course. As others have pointed out, had this occurred at a football match, or a protest march of some kind, the police would have introduced "kettling" or other control strategies. Serious questions now must be asked about this kind of behaviour. How can a warm summers evening in one of England's loveliest places become an embarrassing nightmare for the people who actually live here.[/p][/quote]Now do you know why I moved to Scarborough? The traffic and pollution plus these instances swung it for me. I re-visit only when I have to; and the council do not take on their role to create a nice city to be in and be visited. Cheeky face
  • Score: 6

12:59pm Sun 27 Jul 14

lelehr says...

The lady who collapsed on Bishopthorpe road was not drunk but had recently had 2 very big operations. She was out for a meal herself and didn't feel very well. She had not been to the races or even had anything to drink. So maybe you need to get your facts straight before finger pointing at the innocent ones who happen to get tarred with the same brush as the drunks coming back into town from the races..
The lady who collapsed on Bishopthorpe road was not drunk but had recently had 2 very big operations. She was out for a meal herself and didn't feel very well. She had not been to the races or even had anything to drink. So maybe you need to get your facts straight before finger pointing at the innocent ones who happen to get tarred with the same brush as the drunks coming back into town from the races.. lelehr
  • Score: -5

1:05pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Dave Ruddock says...

Personally i would not mind seeing the outskirt park and rides being used, as clearly they are not at the moment, Bus in the Yobs, then collect and Bus them out, preferably in cattle trucks. See police from Leeds, Newcastle etc etc escort them on trains, and the P and Ps, The "erm council" over rule the Knavesmire staff"
Lastly something stronger than ASBOS given
oh forgot the Door People, what ever qualifications they are only a Door person with little more then (Get in the way/face. and they do not patrol the larger drinking establishments .
Personally i would not mind seeing the outskirt park and rides being used, as clearly they are not at the moment, Bus in the Yobs, then collect and Bus them out, preferably in cattle trucks. See police from Leeds, Newcastle etc etc escort them on trains, and the P and Ps, The "erm council" over rule the Knavesmire staff" Lastly something stronger than ASBOS given oh forgot the Door People, what ever qualifications they are only a Door person with little more then (Get in the way/face. and they do not patrol the larger drinking establishments . Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 8

1:09pm Sun 27 Jul 14

anth!! says...

yorkandproud wrote:
Yorkresident100 wrote:
York is increasingly becoming a no go area on Saturdays for York families, with race day making it worse. When are the Council going to start acting in the interests of York residents and make the City Centre safer and accessible for the people that actually live here!
"When are the Council going to start acting in the interests of York residents". Sadly, with this Labour controlled council, the answer is one word. Never.
Cant wait for the council election, then if a different party gets in all these problems will disappear overnight......not.
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkresident100[/bold] wrote: York is increasingly becoming a no go area on Saturdays for York families, with race day making it worse. When are the Council going to start acting in the interests of York residents and make the City Centre safer and accessible for the people that actually live here![/p][/quote]"When are the Council going to start acting in the interests of York residents". Sadly, with this Labour controlled council, the answer is one word. Never.[/p][/quote]Cant wait for the council election, then if a different party gets in all these problems will disappear overnight......not. anth!!
  • Score: 6

1:30pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Haywire says...

Remarkable!!

Apart from one or two quibbles round the edges, and a clarification, I think that we have a more or less unanimous view on what occurred in York yesterday.

Is this a record?

It should certainly make York Racecourse take notice, but that may be asking too much.
Remarkable!! Apart from one or two quibbles round the edges, and a clarification, I think that we have a more or less unanimous view on what occurred in York yesterday. Is this a record? It should certainly make York Racecourse take notice, but that may be asking too much. Haywire
  • Score: 36

1:36pm Sun 27 Jul 14

andyjon12 says...

Shops near the racecourse should be banned from selling alcohol until 3 hours after the last race - on all race days. Hoards of people can be seen walking along the street before the races, clutching cases of cheap warm lager (err) - fuelling them for moronic behaviour that will undoubtedly follow.
Shops near the racecourse should be banned from selling alcohol until 3 hours after the last race - on all race days. Hoards of people can be seen walking along the street before the races, clutching cases of cheap warm lager (err) - fuelling them for moronic behaviour that will undoubtedly follow. andyjon12
  • Score: 27

1:42pm Sun 27 Jul 14

richard79 says...

To Can't all be wrong says…The mature women who collapse was my mother. she had not be to the races she had two big operation 4 weeks ago and it was the first time out of the house. I bet you were one of the people who sat there looking and did not come over to help. I hope to god you are not in that situation. And if you had the balls you would put an apology on here. DO NOT JUDGE PEOPLE WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS.
To Can't all be wrong says…The mature women who collapse was my mother. she had not be to the races she had two big operation 4 weeks ago and it was the first time out of the house. I bet you were one of the people who sat there looking and did not come over to help. I hope to god you are not in that situation. And if you had the balls you would put an apology on here. DO NOT JUDGE PEOPLE WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS. richard79
  • Score: 32

1:44pm Sun 27 Jul 14

level-headed says...

Which bit of the article says that any of the people involved / arrested had been at the races? Groups from the North East swarm in on cheap trains every Saturday whether the races are on or not.......
Which bit of the article says that any of the people involved / arrested had been at the races? Groups from the North East swarm in on cheap trains every Saturday whether the races are on or not....... level-headed
  • Score: 16

1:44pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ouseswimmer says...

When I visited the races in Riyadh this problem never arose. I guess 6 months in prison for drunken behaviour is a large incentive?
When I visited the races in Riyadh this problem never arose. I guess 6 months in prison for drunken behaviour is a large incentive? ouseswimmer
  • Score: 19

1:57pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Blythespirit says...

York is a cesspit on race days and nights. I regularly see people staggering along Blossom street ON THE WAY to the races, presumably having tanked up on the way there. I try to avoid the city centre during the afternoon of racedays because, even in the street, you are constantly bombarded with very loud groups, all of whom are very drunk, using horrible language and generally being a real nuisance. We shouldn't be subjected to this. Many people are shopping with very young children who are probably frightened by this aggressive obnoxious behaviour. Someone needs to sort this out. Anyone who is obviously drunk and creating a nuisance to the public should be rounded up and either chucked in a drunk tank or put on the next train home.
York is a cesspit on race days and nights. I regularly see people staggering along Blossom street ON THE WAY to the races, presumably having tanked up on the way there. I try to avoid the city centre during the afternoon of racedays because, even in the street, you are constantly bombarded with very loud groups, all of whom are very drunk, using horrible language and generally being a real nuisance. We shouldn't be subjected to this. Many people are shopping with very young children who are probably frightened by this aggressive obnoxious behaviour. Someone needs to sort this out. Anyone who is obviously drunk and creating a nuisance to the public should be rounded up and either chucked in a drunk tank or put on the next train home. Blythespirit
  • Score: 45

2:24pm Sun 27 Jul 14

CHISSY1 says...

So no drunken yobs from York then.
So no drunken yobs from York then. CHISSY1
  • Score: -15

2:44pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Emperor Palpatine says...

Thanks to these drunken fools my mother, who is 72, had to wait over 6 hours in an overwhelmed York District Hospital A and E last night after she was taken ill and advised to go there. She was finally seen at gone 3 o'clock in the morning. Try telling her these idiots "bring revenue to the city"!!!

How much longer are we expected to put up with this kind of behaviour from these boozed up louts? It's about time the police, the racecourse authorities and the council got their act together and sorted this out because York residents have had enough.
Thanks to these drunken fools my mother, who is 72, had to wait over 6 hours in an overwhelmed York District Hospital A and E last night after she was taken ill and advised to go there. She was finally seen at gone 3 o'clock in the morning. Try telling her these idiots "bring revenue to the city"!!! How much longer are we expected to put up with this kind of behaviour from these boozed up louts? It's about time the police, the racecourse authorities and the council got their act together and sorted this out because York residents have had enough. Emperor Palpatine
  • Score: 49

2:48pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Tug job says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
So no drunken yobs from York then.
No, none. Doubtless there'll have been loads from Selby, though.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: So no drunken yobs from York then.[/p][/quote]No, none. Doubtless there'll have been loads from Selby, though. Tug job
  • Score: 26

3:08pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Oncebitten says...

Emperor Palpatine wrote:
Thanks to these drunken fools my mother, who is 72, had to wait over 6 hours in an overwhelmed York District Hospital A and E last night after she was taken ill and advised to go there. She was finally seen at gone 3 o'clock in the morning. Try telling her these idiots "bring revenue to the city"!!!

How much longer are we expected to put up with this kind of behaviour from these boozed up louts? It's about time the police, the racecourse authorities and the council got their act together and sorted this out because York residents have had enough.
Nonsense....your Mother was seen according to the severity of her condition....don't jump on a bandwagon ......I hope see makes a full and speedy recovery.
[quote][p][bold]Emperor Palpatine[/bold] wrote: Thanks to these drunken fools my mother, who is 72, had to wait over 6 hours in an overwhelmed York District Hospital A and E last night after she was taken ill and advised to go there. She was finally seen at gone 3 o'clock in the morning. Try telling her these idiots "bring revenue to the city"!!! How much longer are we expected to put up with this kind of behaviour from these boozed up louts? It's about time the police, the racecourse authorities and the council got their act together and sorted this out because York residents have had enough.[/p][/quote]Nonsense....your Mother was seen according to the severity of her condition....don't jump on a bandwagon ......I hope see makes a full and speedy recovery. Oncebitten
  • Score: -11

3:21pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mitch2nd says...

its simple stop the stag and hen nights coming to York and keep them out of the pubs

Also fine the pubs as they are clearly in breach of their licences by still serving drunk people this is against the law, I should know I still hold my personal licence
its simple stop the stag and hen nights coming to York and keep them out of the pubs Also fine the pubs as they are clearly in breach of their licences by still serving drunk people this is against the law, I should know I still hold my personal licence mitch2nd
  • Score: 14

3:22pm Sun 27 Jul 14

CHISSY1 says...

Tug job wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
So no drunken yobs from York then.
No, none. Doubtless there'll have been loads from Selby, though.
What has Selby got to do with anything.
[quote][p][bold]Tug job[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: So no drunken yobs from York then.[/p][/quote]No, none. Doubtless there'll have been loads from Selby, though.[/p][/quote]What has Selby got to do with anything. CHISSY1
  • Score: -10

3:24pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Oncebitten says...

level-headed wrote:
Which bit of the article says that any of the people involved / arrested had been at the races? Groups from the North East swarm in on cheap trains every Saturday whether the races are on or not.......
Exactly my point...I hope Mike Laycock "Chief Reporter" answers my previous question.......what are the stats/figures for ANY Saturday night??
20 still seems low to me for a vibrant city......wonder what. Leeds, Sheffield and a comparable city Bath would be..?????
[quote][p][bold]level-headed[/bold] wrote: Which bit of the article says that any of the people involved / arrested had been at the races? Groups from the North East swarm in on cheap trains every Saturday whether the races are on or not.......[/p][/quote]Exactly my point...I hope Mike Laycock "Chief Reporter" answers my previous question.......what are the stats/figures for ANY Saturday night?? 20 still seems low to me for a vibrant city......wonder what. Leeds, Sheffield and a comparable city Bath would be..????? Oncebitten
  • Score: -8

3:30pm Sun 27 Jul 14

OLD - HEAD says...

As much as we all deplore the drunken behaviour on race days there is absolutely NO chance of changing things. The pubs, clubs and racecourse cant wait for these people to arrive in York, so that they can start selling them drink. A hot sunny afternoon is a receipe for disaster on race days. As someone who previously worked in the transport industry, believe me I have seen this kind of behaviour hundreds of times.
As much as we all deplore the drunken behaviour on race days there is absolutely NO chance of changing things. The pubs, clubs and racecourse cant wait for these people to arrive in York, so that they can start selling them drink. A hot sunny afternoon is a receipe for disaster on race days. As someone who previously worked in the transport industry, believe me I have seen this kind of behaviour hundreds of times. OLD - HEAD
  • Score: 20

3:36pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Can't all be wrong says...

richard79 wrote:
To Can't all be wrong says…Th
e mature women who collapse was my mother. she had not be to the races she had two big operation 4 weeks ago and it was the first time out of the house. I bet you were one of the people who sat there looking and did not come over to help. I hope to god you are not in that situation. And if you had the balls you would put an apology on here. DO NOT JUDGE PEOPLE WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS.
I take your point entirely, and offer an unreserved apology. I hope your mum gets well soon.
In mitigation, because of the behaviour of large numbers of people who attend the races then the genuine casualties are indeed tarred with the same brush.
I didn't offer to help as there were two ambulances in attendance, but nevertheless please accept my apologises.
[quote][p][bold]richard79[/bold] wrote: To Can't all be wrong says…Th e mature women who collapse was my mother. she had not be to the races she had two big operation 4 weeks ago and it was the first time out of the house. I bet you were one of the people who sat there looking and did not come over to help. I hope to god you are not in that situation. And if you had the balls you would put an apology on here. DO NOT JUDGE PEOPLE WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS.[/p][/quote]I take your point entirely, and offer an unreserved apology. I hope your mum gets well soon. In mitigation, because of the behaviour of large numbers of people who attend the races then the genuine casualties are indeed tarred with the same brush. I didn't offer to help as there were two ambulances in attendance, but nevertheless please accept my apologises. Can't all be wrong
  • Score: 43

3:38pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Oncebitten says...

notmyrealname wrote:
So back to normal after the success of the TDF weekend - thousands of people can come to York to see some bikes and not cause any trouble at all. Now back to a load of idiots in cheap silver suits trying to be something bigger than they are and not succeeding. Avoid anywhere near Ouse Bridge on a race day - tourists hide in their hotels at the weekends - how is that helping Yorks image ?....
"Tourists hide in their hotels "........ Evidence PLEASE....name 3 tourists that have hid in their hotels.....then I might just might listen to your rubbish!
[quote][p][bold]notmyrealname[/bold] wrote: So back to normal after the success of the TDF weekend - thousands of people can come to York to see some bikes and not cause any trouble at all. Now back to a load of idiots in cheap silver suits trying to be something bigger than they are and not succeeding. Avoid anywhere near Ouse Bridge on a race day - tourists hide in their hotels at the weekends - how is that helping Yorks image ?....[/p][/quote]"Tourists hide in their hotels "........ Evidence PLEASE....name 3 tourists that have hid in their hotels.....then I might just might listen to your rubbish! Oncebitten
  • Score: -17

3:41pm Sun 27 Jul 14

bolero says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
Tug job wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
So no drunken yobs from York then.
No, none. Doubtless there'll have been loads from Selby, though.
What has Selby got to do with anything.
They probably think that's where Geordies come from.
And by the way can I reply on behalf of York City Council? We couldn't care less.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tug job[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: So no drunken yobs from York then.[/p][/quote]No, none. Doubtless there'll have been loads from Selby, though.[/p][/quote]What has Selby got to do with anything.[/p][/quote]They probably think that's where Geordies come from. And by the way can I reply on behalf of York City Council? We couldn't care less. bolero
  • Score: 11

3:42pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Oncebitten says...

mitch2nd wrote:
its simple stop the stag and hen nights coming to York and keep them out of the pubs

Also fine the pubs as they are clearly in breach of their licences by still serving drunk people this is against the law, I should know I still hold my personal licence
Please come up with a proposal how you intend to "stop the stag and hen night coming to York".......simple eh......not the answer only the proposer!
[quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: its simple stop the stag and hen nights coming to York and keep them out of the pubs Also fine the pubs as they are clearly in breach of their licences by still serving drunk people this is against the law, I should know I still hold my personal licence[/p][/quote]Please come up with a proposal how you intend to "stop the stag and hen night coming to York".......simple eh......not the answer only the proposer! Oncebitten
  • Score: 2

3:45pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Jack Ham says...

City of York Council refuse to acknowledge the problem. I suspect for various reasons:

1. The bar/hotel lobbyists are strong, organised and motived to sell as much as possible.
2. The officers responsible for enforcement carry little authority. There is no coordination between CYC& Police.
3. The senior staff at CYC, including the £137,50@ per annul Chief Executive Kersten England live outside the city in East Riding.
4. The politicians responsible for representing residents have their own agenda: 'Fairness Commissions', cycling lanes, arts barge and playing with the big boy socialists in West Yorkshire. Drunken hoarded do little to gain their interest.

The status quo is a shame on our city. We have all the powers we need to stop it but absolutely no will or ability to do so.

This has to change.
City of York Council refuse to acknowledge the problem. I suspect for various reasons: 1. The bar/hotel lobbyists are strong, organised and motived to sell as much as possible. 2. The officers responsible for enforcement carry little authority. There is no coordination between CYC& Police. 3. The senior staff at CYC, including the £137,50@ per annul Chief Executive Kersten England live outside the city in East Riding. 4. The politicians responsible for representing residents have their own agenda: 'Fairness Commissions', cycling lanes, arts barge and playing with the big boy socialists in West Yorkshire. Drunken hoarded do little to gain their interest. The status quo is a shame on our city. We have all the powers we need to stop it but absolutely no will or ability to do so. This has to change. Jack Ham
  • Score: 19

3:55pm Sun 27 Jul 14

wildthing666 says...

The racecourse should have all licenses for serving alcohol withdrawn immediately. Anybody trying to enter the course smelling of alcohol should be refused entry. A day at the races is supposed to be a fun day not an excuse to down as much as you can while on the grounds then go round town afterwards and pick a fight.
The racecourse should have all licenses for serving alcohol withdrawn immediately. Anybody trying to enter the course smelling of alcohol should be refused entry. A day at the races is supposed to be a fun day not an excuse to down as much as you can while on the grounds then go round town afterwards and pick a fight. wildthing666
  • Score: 29

3:55pm Sun 27 Jul 14

bolero says...

You see at one time a landlord had pride in his `house` and cared about who he allowed to visit it and how they behaved. Now most pubs are owned and run by large national companies with only one thing on their minds. And that is money. There is no landlord just a manager paid on results; that is how much ale he can sell to as many punters he can get in to the premises. Regardless of how much they have already drunk just as long as they keep swilling it down their stupid necks. If they start causing trouble, well just call on the local constabulary to sort it out. York is a spoiled city not necessarily by its visitors but by the way it is run with a total disregard of licensing laws and how they should be applied. I can think of a few `posh` streets where these antics would not be tolerated for very long and some action would be taken to curb it. Now which streets would they be I wonder?
You see at one time a landlord had pride in his `house` and cared about who he allowed to visit it and how they behaved. Now most pubs are owned and run by large national companies with only one thing on their minds. And that is money. There is no landlord just a manager paid on results; that is how much ale he can sell to as many punters he can get in to the premises. Regardless of how much they have already drunk just as long as they keep swilling it down their stupid necks. If they start causing trouble, well just call on the local constabulary to sort it out. York is a spoiled city not necessarily by its visitors but by the way it is run with a total disregard of licensing laws and how they should be applied. I can think of a few `posh` streets where these antics would not be tolerated for very long and some action would be taken to curb it. Now which streets would they be I wonder? bolero
  • Score: 15

3:57pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Emperor Palpatine says...

Oncebitten wrote:
Emperor Palpatine wrote:
Thanks to these drunken fools my mother, who is 72, had to wait over 6 hours in an overwhelmed York District Hospital A and E last night after she was taken ill and advised to go there. She was finally seen at gone 3 o'clock in the morning. Try telling her these idiots "bring revenue to the city"!!!

How much longer are we expected to put up with this kind of behaviour from these boozed up louts? It's about time the police, the racecourse authorities and the council got their act together and sorted this out because York residents have had enough.
Nonsense....your Mother was seen according to the severity of her condition....don't jump on a bandwagon ......I hope see makes a full and speedy recovery.
So you are seriously proposing that the number of people in the A and E with drink related problems has no bearing on the time my mother had to wait? Really??

Thanks for the best wishes, I appreciate it but I most certainly am not talking nonsense. My mother was told the reason for the delay, the staff there have no reason to lie. No disrespect but I think they are in a better position to know than you.
[quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Emperor Palpatine[/bold] wrote: Thanks to these drunken fools my mother, who is 72, had to wait over 6 hours in an overwhelmed York District Hospital A and E last night after she was taken ill and advised to go there. She was finally seen at gone 3 o'clock in the morning. Try telling her these idiots "bring revenue to the city"!!! How much longer are we expected to put up with this kind of behaviour from these boozed up louts? It's about time the police, the racecourse authorities and the council got their act together and sorted this out because York residents have had enough.[/p][/quote]Nonsense....your Mother was seen according to the severity of her condition....don't jump on a bandwagon ......I hope see makes a full and speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]So you are seriously proposing that the number of people in the A and E with drink related problems has no bearing on the time my mother had to wait? Really?? Thanks for the best wishes, I appreciate it but I most certainly am not talking nonsense. My mother was told the reason for the delay, the staff there have no reason to lie. No disrespect but I think they are in a better position to know than you. Emperor Palpatine
  • Score: 26

3:59pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Oncebitten says...

Jack Ham wrote:
City of York Council refuse to acknowledge the problem. I suspect for various reasons:

1. The bar/hotel lobbyists are strong, organised and motived to sell as much as possible.
2. The officers responsible for enforcement carry little authority. There is no coordination between CYC& Police.
3. The senior staff at CYC, including the £137,50@ per annul Chief Executive Kersten England live outside the city in East Riding.
4. The politicians responsible for representing residents have their own agenda: 'Fairness Commissions', cycling lanes, arts barge and playing with the big boy socialists in West Yorkshire. Drunken hoarded do little to gain their interest.

The status quo is a shame on our city. We have all the powers we need to stop it but absolutely no will or ability to do so.

This has to change.
1) Without Industry York has to rely on tourism....obviously to the dismay of the majority of its residents.

2) ...yet again please supply evidence to support this.......

3) where people reside does not mean they cannot carry put their duties...lame defence!

4) do however agree with your last comment...upto when you start the next sentence.." drunken hoarded..........

I'm amazed we have created a society that always point the big finger at anybody but themselves.....how many whinging people on here would have been in the City centre on a Saturday night........I'm guess all would yes , if there were no tourists, races goers or hen/stag parties....then they would be visiting a city that the tumble weed would be all they see......
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: City of York Council refuse to acknowledge the problem. I suspect for various reasons: 1. The bar/hotel lobbyists are strong, organised and motived to sell as much as possible. 2. The officers responsible for enforcement carry little authority. There is no coordination between CYC& Police. 3. The senior staff at CYC, including the £137,50@ per annul Chief Executive Kersten England live outside the city in East Riding. 4. The politicians responsible for representing residents have their own agenda: 'Fairness Commissions', cycling lanes, arts barge and playing with the big boy socialists in West Yorkshire. Drunken hoarded do little to gain their interest. The status quo is a shame on our city. We have all the powers we need to stop it but absolutely no will or ability to do so. This has to change.[/p][/quote]1) Without Industry York has to rely on tourism....obviously to the dismay of the majority of its residents. 2) ...yet again please supply evidence to support this....... 3) where people reside does not mean they cannot carry put their duties...lame defence! 4) do however agree with your last comment...upto when you start the next sentence.." drunken hoarded.......... I'm amazed we have created a society that always point the big finger at anybody but themselves.....how many whinging people on here would have been in the City centre on a Saturday night........I'm guess all would yes , if there were no tourists, races goers or hen/stag parties....then they would be visiting a city that the tumble weed would be all they see...... Oncebitten
  • Score: -18

4:03pm Sun 27 Jul 14

wildthing666 says...

tinkerbell-1000 wrote:
Doormen who let any states in for profit, barstaff who serve them tho they clearly had enough, poorly mannned events. Violence is enavitable. Isnt it part of licence to refuse when you can see theyve had enough?
It is the barstaff who can be prosecuted for selling alcohol to someone who is, or appears to be under the influence of alcohol, we should see more prosecutions of staff and owners for this offence to encourage stamping it out.
The staff have a duty to refuse to sell alcohol to anyone who is, or who appears to be drunk. But they never will because they know they will lose their job so let people drink all they like they can always throw them out later.
[quote][p][bold]tinkerbell-1000[/bold] wrote: Doormen who let any states in for profit, barstaff who serve them tho they clearly had enough, poorly mannned events. Violence is enavitable. Isnt it part of licence to refuse when you can see theyve had enough?[/p][/quote]It is the barstaff who can be prosecuted for selling alcohol to someone who is, or appears to be under the influence of alcohol, we should see more prosecutions of staff and owners for this offence to encourage stamping it out. The staff have a duty to refuse to sell alcohol to anyone who is, or who appears to be drunk. But they never will because they know they will lose their job so let people drink all they like they can always throw them out later. wildthing666
  • Score: 8

4:05pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

It's about time Julia Mulligan, North Yorkshire Police & Crime Commissioner, updated the public on what solutions have been agreed for the problem of binge drinking, and possibly drugs, with the negative effects these have to the City of York populace.
I assume that this is part of her remit in ensuring a safer society, but have not heard much from her in recently.
There is no easy solution but she, together with local and British Transport Police and local councils should be able to work together to ensure a safer environment for York citizens.
What exactly is being done?
It's about time Julia Mulligan, North Yorkshire Police & Crime Commissioner, updated the public on what solutions have been agreed for the problem of binge drinking, and possibly drugs, with the negative effects these have to the City of York populace. I assume that this is part of her remit in ensuring a safer society, but have not heard much from her in recently. There is no easy solution but she, together with local and British Transport Police and local councils should be able to work together to ensure a safer environment for York citizens. What exactly is being done? Older Sometimes Wiser
  • Score: 19

4:08pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Oncebitten says...

Emperor Palpatine wrote:
Oncebitten wrote:
Emperor Palpatine wrote:
Thanks to these drunken fools my mother, who is 72, had to wait over 6 hours in an overwhelmed York District Hospital A and E last night after she was taken ill and advised to go there. She was finally seen at gone 3 o'clock in the morning. Try telling her these idiots "bring revenue to the city"!!!

How much longer are we expected to put up with this kind of behaviour from these boozed up louts? It's about time the police, the racecourse authorities and the council got their act together and sorted this out because York residents have had enough.
Nonsense....your Mother was seen according to the severity of her condition....don't jump on a bandwagon ......I hope see makes a full and speedy recovery.
So you are seriously proposing that the number of people in the A and E with drink related problems has no bearing on the time my mother had to wait? Really??

Thanks for the best wishes, I appreciate it but I most certainly am not talking nonsense. My mother was told the reason for the delay, the staff there have no reason to lie. No disrespect but I think they are in a better position to know than you.
I seriously understand your frustrations , I worked as an A /E Sister, recently retired after 25+ years........I had the misfortune to attend A/E 5 weeks ago (asthma attack) waited 8 hrs to see Consultant and was handed a PALS complaint leaflet on leaving....sadly this is the only way their voice can be heard....still wishing you and your family all the best.

It's not a races or a stag/hen issue......it's another debate altogether.
[quote][p][bold]Emperor Palpatine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Emperor Palpatine[/bold] wrote: Thanks to these drunken fools my mother, who is 72, had to wait over 6 hours in an overwhelmed York District Hospital A and E last night after she was taken ill and advised to go there. She was finally seen at gone 3 o'clock in the morning. Try telling her these idiots "bring revenue to the city"!!! How much longer are we expected to put up with this kind of behaviour from these boozed up louts? It's about time the police, the racecourse authorities and the council got their act together and sorted this out because York residents have had enough.[/p][/quote]Nonsense....your Mother was seen according to the severity of her condition....don't jump on a bandwagon ......I hope see makes a full and speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]So you are seriously proposing that the number of people in the A and E with drink related problems has no bearing on the time my mother had to wait? Really?? Thanks for the best wishes, I appreciate it but I most certainly am not talking nonsense. My mother was told the reason for the delay, the staff there have no reason to lie. No disrespect but I think they are in a better position to know than you.[/p][/quote]I seriously understand your frustrations , I worked as an A /E Sister, recently retired after 25+ years........I had the misfortune to attend A/E 5 weeks ago (asthma attack) waited 8 hrs to see Consultant and was handed a PALS complaint leaflet on leaving....sadly this is the only way their voice can be heard....still wishing you and your family all the best. It's not a races or a stag/hen issue......it's another debate altogether. Oncebitten
  • Score: -2

4:11pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Emperor Palpatine says...

Oncebitten wrote:
Emperor Palpatine wrote:
Oncebitten wrote:
Emperor Palpatine wrote:
Thanks to these drunken fools my mother, who is 72, had to wait over 6 hours in an overwhelmed York District Hospital A and E last night after she was taken ill and advised to go there. She was finally seen at gone 3 o'clock in the morning. Try telling her these idiots "bring revenue to the city"!!!

How much longer are we expected to put up with this kind of behaviour from these boozed up louts? It's about time the police, the racecourse authorities and the council got their act together and sorted this out because York residents have had enough.
Nonsense....your Mother was seen according to the severity of her condition....don't jump on a bandwagon ......I hope see makes a full and speedy recovery.
So you are seriously proposing that the number of people in the A and E with drink related problems has no bearing on the time my mother had to wait? Really??

Thanks for the best wishes, I appreciate it but I most certainly am not talking nonsense. My mother was told the reason for the delay, the staff there have no reason to lie. No disrespect but I think they are in a better position to know than you.
I seriously understand your frustrations , I worked as an A /E Sister, recently retired after 25+ years........I had the misfortune to attend A/E 5 weeks ago (asthma attack) waited 8 hrs to see Consultant and was handed a PALS complaint leaflet on leaving....sadly this is the only way their voice can be heard....still wishing you and your family all the best.

It's not a races or a stag/hen issue......it's another debate altogether.
I'm sorry to hear you yourself have been unwell. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
[quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Emperor Palpatine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Emperor Palpatine[/bold] wrote: Thanks to these drunken fools my mother, who is 72, had to wait over 6 hours in an overwhelmed York District Hospital A and E last night after she was taken ill and advised to go there. She was finally seen at gone 3 o'clock in the morning. Try telling her these idiots "bring revenue to the city"!!! How much longer are we expected to put up with this kind of behaviour from these boozed up louts? It's about time the police, the racecourse authorities and the council got their act together and sorted this out because York residents have had enough.[/p][/quote]Nonsense....your Mother was seen according to the severity of her condition....don't jump on a bandwagon ......I hope see makes a full and speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]So you are seriously proposing that the number of people in the A and E with drink related problems has no bearing on the time my mother had to wait? Really?? Thanks for the best wishes, I appreciate it but I most certainly am not talking nonsense. My mother was told the reason for the delay, the staff there have no reason to lie. No disrespect but I think they are in a better position to know than you.[/p][/quote]I seriously understand your frustrations , I worked as an A /E Sister, recently retired after 25+ years........I had the misfortune to attend A/E 5 weeks ago (asthma attack) waited 8 hrs to see Consultant and was handed a PALS complaint leaflet on leaving....sadly this is the only way their voice can be heard....still wishing you and your family all the best. It's not a races or a stag/hen issue......it's another debate altogether.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry to hear you yourself have been unwell. Best wishes for a speedy recovery. Emperor Palpatine
  • Score: 7

4:25pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Jack Ham says...

Oncebitten wrote:
Jack Ham wrote:
City of York Council refuse to acknowledge the problem. I suspect for various reasons:

1. The bar/hotel lobbyists are strong, organised and motived to sell as much as possible.
2. The officers responsible for enforcement carry little authority. There is no coordination between CYC& Police.
3. The senior staff at CYC, including the £137,50@ per annul Chief Executive Kersten England live outside the city in East Riding.
4. The politicians responsible for representing residents have their own agenda: 'Fairness Commissions', cycling lanes, arts barge and playing with the big boy socialists in West Yorkshire. Drunken hoarded do little to gain their interest.

The status quo is a shame on our city. We have all the powers we need to stop it but absolutely no will or ability to do so.

This has to change.
1) Without Industry York has to rely on tourism....obviously to the dismay of the majority of its residents.

2) ...yet again please supply evidence to support this.......

3) where people reside does not mean they cannot carry put their duties...lame defence!

4) do however agree with your last comment...upto when you start the next sentence.." drunken hoarded..........

I'm amazed we have created a society that always point the big finger at anybody but themselves.....how many whinging people on here would have been in the City centre on a Saturday night........I'm guess all would yes , if there were no tourists, races goers or hen/stag parties....then they would be visiting a city that the tumble weed would be all they see......
1. Tourism does not have to rely on uncontrolled alcohol consumption.
2. Personal experience from conversations with CYC & NYP.
3. It's not that they can't, it's that they don't understand. They go home to the country at 5pm. They are not connected socially with York residents.
4. A large group of intoxicated people is a 'drunken hoard' to me. There are many such groups in York most weekends, especially on race nights.

I agree I am pointing the finger. At those who have the levers to affect change, have been elected or paid to do so yet fail to act. Their negligence should have a spotlight shone upon it.
[quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: City of York Council refuse to acknowledge the problem. I suspect for various reasons: 1. The bar/hotel lobbyists are strong, organised and motived to sell as much as possible. 2. The officers responsible for enforcement carry little authority. There is no coordination between CYC& Police. 3. The senior staff at CYC, including the £137,50@ per annul Chief Executive Kersten England live outside the city in East Riding. 4. The politicians responsible for representing residents have their own agenda: 'Fairness Commissions', cycling lanes, arts barge and playing with the big boy socialists in West Yorkshire. Drunken hoarded do little to gain their interest. The status quo is a shame on our city. We have all the powers we need to stop it but absolutely no will or ability to do so. This has to change.[/p][/quote]1) Without Industry York has to rely on tourism....obviously to the dismay of the majority of its residents. 2) ...yet again please supply evidence to support this....... 3) where people reside does not mean they cannot carry put their duties...lame defence! 4) do however agree with your last comment...upto when you start the next sentence.." drunken hoarded.......... I'm amazed we have created a society that always point the big finger at anybody but themselves.....how many whinging people on here would have been in the City centre on a Saturday night........I'm guess all would yes , if there were no tourists, races goers or hen/stag parties....then they would be visiting a city that the tumble weed would be all they see......[/p][/quote]1. Tourism does not have to rely on uncontrolled alcohol consumption. 2. Personal experience from conversations with CYC & NYP. 3. It's not that they can't, it's that they don't understand. They go home to the country at 5pm. They are not connected socially with York residents. 4. A large group of intoxicated people is a 'drunken hoard' to me. There are many such groups in York most weekends, especially on race nights. I agree I am pointing the finger. At those who have the levers to affect change, have been elected or paid to do so yet fail to act. Their negligence should have a spotlight shone upon it. Jack Ham
  • Score: 16

5:10pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Happytoliveinyork says...

#pubjobsandviolenceg
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#pubjobsandviolenceg rowth Happytoliveinyork
  • Score: 6

5:35pm Sun 27 Jul 14

cambsmover says...

ndevr wrote:
Why is the racecourse allowed to keep bars open for so long on a Saturday race meeting, surely it's time to curb the number of bars there and reduce the hours they operate.
I don't think hours is the problem, they're already drunk by 7 or 8 pm in the evening. Target the people and the places directly, don't put a blanket ban on late opening, I want to enjoy it responsibly.
[quote][p][bold]ndevr[/bold] wrote: Why is the racecourse allowed to keep bars open for so long on a Saturday race meeting, surely it's time to curb the number of bars there and reduce the hours they operate.[/p][/quote]I don't think hours is the problem, they're already drunk by 7 or 8 pm in the evening. Target the people and the places directly, don't put a blanket ban on late opening, I want to enjoy it responsibly. cambsmover
  • Score: 8

5:38pm Sun 27 Jul 14

cambsmover says...

wildthing666 wrote:
tinkerbell-1000 wrote:
Doormen who let any states in for profit, barstaff who serve them tho they clearly had enough, poorly mannned events. Violence is enavitable. Isnt it part of licence to refuse when you can see theyve had enough?
It is the barstaff who can be prosecuted for selling alcohol to someone who is, or appears to be under the influence of alcohol, we should see more prosecutions of staff and owners for this offence to encourage stamping it out.
The staff have a duty to refuse to sell alcohol to anyone who is, or who appears to be drunk. But they never will because they know they will lose their job so let people drink all they like they can always throw them out later.
The problem is case law on this - They can only really be prosecuted if the customer is "manifestly drunk", which based on case law means if they can't literally stand up or speak, anything else is OK.
[quote][p][bold]wildthing666[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinkerbell-1000[/bold] wrote: Doormen who let any states in for profit, barstaff who serve them tho they clearly had enough, poorly mannned events. Violence is enavitable. Isnt it part of licence to refuse when you can see theyve had enough?[/p][/quote]It is the barstaff who can be prosecuted for selling alcohol to someone who is, or appears to be under the influence of alcohol, we should see more prosecutions of staff and owners for this offence to encourage stamping it out. The staff have a duty to refuse to sell alcohol to anyone who is, or who appears to be drunk. But they never will because they know they will lose their job so let people drink all they like they can always throw them out later.[/p][/quote]The problem is case law on this - They can only really be prosecuted if the customer is "manifestly drunk", which based on case law means if they can't literally stand up or speak, anything else is OK. cambsmover
  • Score: 2

5:41pm Sun 27 Jul 14

cambsmover says...

Jack Ham wrote:
City of York Council refuse to acknowledge the problem. I suspect for various reasons:

1. The bar/hotel lobbyists are strong, organised and motived to sell as much as possible.
2. The officers responsible for enforcement carry little authority. There is no coordination between CYC& Police.
3. The senior staff at CYC, including the £137,50@ per annul Chief Executive Kersten England live outside the city in East Riding.
4. The politicians responsible for representing residents have their own agenda: 'Fairness Commissions', cycling lanes, arts barge and playing with the big boy socialists in West Yorkshire. Drunken hoarded do little to gain their interest.

The status quo is a shame on our city. We have all the powers we need to stop it but absolutely no will or ability to do so.

This has to change.
Agreed. There are so many powers now available to police and licensing authorities, the problem is will not power. Again, don't make everybody suffer because some can't behave, target and deal with them directly.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: City of York Council refuse to acknowledge the problem. I suspect for various reasons: 1. The bar/hotel lobbyists are strong, organised and motived to sell as much as possible. 2. The officers responsible for enforcement carry little authority. There is no coordination between CYC& Police. 3. The senior staff at CYC, including the £137,50@ per annul Chief Executive Kersten England live outside the city in East Riding. 4. The politicians responsible for representing residents have their own agenda: 'Fairness Commissions', cycling lanes, arts barge and playing with the big boy socialists in West Yorkshire. Drunken hoarded do little to gain their interest. The status quo is a shame on our city. We have all the powers we need to stop it but absolutely no will or ability to do so. This has to change.[/p][/quote]Agreed. There are so many powers now available to police and licensing authorities, the problem is will not power. Again, don't make everybody suffer because some can't behave, target and deal with them directly. cambsmover
  • Score: 8

6:20pm Sun 27 Jul 14

dctyke says...

I bet the police commissioner was as far as possible from York Saturday night.
I bet the police commissioner was as far as possible from York Saturday night. dctyke
  • Score: 15

6:47pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Frodo Baggins says...

Caecilius wrote:
I had the pleasure of getting on a train at Leeds early on Saturday afternoon, together with several packs of yelping, howling men - many of them old enough to know better, you might have thought - barging aboard on their way to York to get legless. I watched them pouring into town at the other end, effing and blinding. "Shaven monkeys" wouldn't be an unfair description, except to actual monkeys.
I take it that these weren't drunken Geordies on their way the the races then as suggested earlier? I have found that a lot of the trouble comes from the coach parties from South and West Yorkshire and I am speaking as an ex Landlord.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: I had the pleasure of getting on a train at Leeds early on Saturday afternoon, together with several packs of yelping, howling men - many of them old enough to know better, you might have thought - barging aboard on their way to York to get legless. I watched them pouring into town at the other end, effing and blinding. "Shaven monkeys" wouldn't be an unfair description, except to actual monkeys.[/p][/quote]I take it that these weren't drunken Geordies on their way the the races then as suggested earlier? I have found that a lot of the trouble comes from the coach parties from South and West Yorkshire and I am speaking as an ex Landlord. Frodo Baggins
  • Score: 6

6:49pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Cheeky face says...

In Scarborough this weekend pubs had people breathalysing those entering pubs who look worse for wear/crapulent! Let's see what facts appears in the weekly paper on Thursday!

Big police authorities shepherd most people away from venues as quickly as possible; but that spoils the enjoyment for those well-behaved citizens. I would be concerned if I wanted to visit a top restaurant in York on a Sat after doing ok at the races!
In Scarborough this weekend pubs had people breathalysing those entering pubs who look worse for wear/crapulent! Let's see what facts appears in the weekly paper on Thursday! Big police authorities shepherd most people away from venues as quickly as possible; but that spoils the enjoyment for those well-behaved citizens. I would be concerned if I wanted to visit a top restaurant in York on a Sat after doing ok at the races! Cheeky face
  • Score: 8

7:00pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Knavesmire view says...

Great trolling from James Brennan as always.

Instead of counting the cash in his ivory tower he should take time out to watch the hordes of drunken messes leaving his premises on the way into town immediately after the races.

People turn up at lunchtime drunk, head into the races and get more drunk, then head into town to get even more drunk. Not rocket science that there'll be more trouble is it.
Great trolling from James Brennan as always. Instead of counting the cash in his ivory tower he should take time out to watch the hordes of drunken messes leaving his premises on the way into town immediately after the races. People turn up at lunchtime drunk, head into the races and get more drunk, then head into town to get even more drunk. Not rocket science that there'll be more trouble is it. Knavesmire view
  • Score: 28

7:13pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Frodo Baggins says...

Poppy01 wrote:
I drove past the station at 11am yesterday and saw someone stood there with an advertising placard that had a large arrow on it pointing to the city centre with the words “this way to the pubs”
It’s a disgrace and should not be allowed. The City is becoming known for its pubs and nightlife, it is more like Prague at its worst every weekend.
With all due respect if anybody gets off a train or bus and need a sign to point them toward a town centre and the pubs should be immediately returned to the institution they have escaped from.
[quote][p][bold]Poppy01[/bold] wrote: I drove past the station at 11am yesterday and saw someone stood there with an advertising placard that had a large arrow on it pointing to the city centre with the words “this way to the pubs” It’s a disgrace and should not be allowed. The City is becoming known for its pubs and nightlife, it is more like Prague at its worst every weekend.[/p][/quote]With all due respect if anybody gets off a train or bus and need a sign to point them toward a town centre and the pubs should be immediately returned to the institution they have escaped from. Frodo Baggins
  • Score: 9

7:16pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Frodo Baggins says...

Yeller Belly wrote:
Next week, there'll be a story about how many millions York Races is worth to the local economy...

It's a disgrace. Everyone knows it. The city is a toilet on race days.
York is a toilet most weekends with the stag and hen parties, just on a lesser scale.
[quote][p][bold]Yeller Belly[/bold] wrote: Next week, there'll be a story about how many millions York Races is worth to the local economy... It's a disgrace. Everyone knows it. The city is a toilet on race days.[/p][/quote]York is a toilet most weekends with the stag and hen parties, just on a lesser scale. Frodo Baggins
  • Score: 13

8:09pm Sun 27 Jul 14

bill bailey says...

Don't blame the Racecourse. Blame the stupid slap heads and the girls with dresses up to their armpits, it happens every weekend races or not. the police let these idiots get away it , drag them in and fine them instantly £100. if they haven't got it keep them till they have, The tax payer have paid millions providing cyclists with lanes which they don't use, they go through red lights . I have seen them no hands on handle bars cigarette in one and texing with the other. two on one bike both texing. The "lets play policeman " sorry Community police.are next to useless. Its about time the Chief Constable got a grip of his staff and we got some real policing in and around the city, The drunks get drunk
racing or not, the police need to be policing not hiding in their cars in laybys waiting to MAKE THEIR NUMBERS for the CC, by catching drivers doing 5 mph over the limit,
Don't blame the Racecourse. Blame the stupid slap heads and the girls with dresses up to their armpits, it happens every weekend races or not. the police let these idiots get away it , drag them in and fine them instantly £100. if they haven't got it keep them till they have, The tax payer have paid millions providing cyclists with lanes which they don't use, they go through red lights . I have seen them no hands on handle bars cigarette in one and texing with the other. two on one bike both texing. The "lets play policeman " sorry Community police.are next to useless. Its about time the Chief Constable got a grip of his staff and we got some real policing in and around the city, The drunks get drunk racing or not, the police need to be policing not hiding in their cars in laybys waiting to MAKE THEIR NUMBERS for the CC, by catching drivers doing 5 mph over the limit, bill bailey
  • Score: -8

8:23pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Minsterred says...

There's a new article just been posted on the press website where the racecourse spokesman describes Saturday as "fun, fun, fun" with a pleasant atmosphere, well it might have been fun counting the profits afterwards in their cash office but was neither fun or pleasant for the residents or the police and NHS staff that had to pick up the pieces caused by the racecourses inability to ensure people are not leaving their premises in a state of utter annihilation. The new article just makes me realise how little they understand or indeed care about the carnage they cause in the neighbourhood and the city centre.
There's a new article just been posted on the press website where the racecourse spokesman describes Saturday as "fun, fun, fun" with a pleasant atmosphere, well it might have been fun counting the profits afterwards in their cash office but was neither fun or pleasant for the residents or the police and NHS staff that had to pick up the pieces caused by the racecourses inability to ensure people are not leaving their premises in a state of utter annihilation. The new article just makes me realise how little they understand or indeed care about the carnage they cause in the neighbourhood and the city centre. Minsterred
  • Score: 27

8:43pm Sun 27 Jul 14

PR Willey says...

I was at the racecourse on Saturday afternoon, I walked through the area on Knavesmire Road where all the mini buses/small coaches were parked, the amount of people who got off the mini buses clutching/struggling to carry 10/12/24 packs of cans was unreal, I can only presume they were heading to the "cheap side."
I can understand people not wanting to pay "inflated" prices on the course but some of these people were "pi$$ed" before they got off the coach and before they had opened what they were carrying!
Bit off the subject but years ago when I travelled by coach to Liverpool games, the coach operators ran a strict "dry" coach to the game, we were often stopped by the Police "en route" and the coach searched.
The same applied to trains, many a time the train was designated "dry" and no alcohol was served and no alcohol was brought on, this was enforced at the station with bag searches and with Transport Police walking up and down the train.
Champions League games were designated "dry" inside the stadium due to Liverpool not selling Amstel who were one of the sponsors, however, with the above comments it didn't stop people getting "tanked" up at the pubs/ off licences prior to the game.
I was in Chester a few years ago when a race meeting was taking place, I saw exactly the same as I see in York so the problem is not just with us, it must be a "race" thing!
On a lighter note, I also saw thousands of people leaving the course as normal people would, 20 arrests out of 40,000 punters must show that it is a minority that spoil it for the majority, just like the football yobbos did for me years ago.
I was at the racecourse on Saturday afternoon, I walked through the area on Knavesmire Road where all the mini buses/small coaches were parked, the amount of people who got off the mini buses clutching/struggling to carry 10/12/24 packs of cans was unreal, I can only presume they were heading to the "cheap side." I can understand people not wanting to pay "inflated" prices on the course but some of these people were "pi$$ed" before they got off the coach and before they had opened what they were carrying! Bit off the subject but years ago when I travelled by coach to Liverpool games, the coach operators ran a strict "dry" coach to the game, we were often stopped by the Police "en route" and the coach searched. The same applied to trains, many a time the train was designated "dry" and no alcohol was served and no alcohol was brought on, this was enforced at the station with bag searches and with Transport Police walking up and down the train. Champions League games were designated "dry" inside the stadium due to Liverpool not selling Amstel who were one of the sponsors, however, with the above comments it didn't stop people getting "tanked" up at the pubs/ off licences prior to the game. I was in Chester a few years ago when a race meeting was taking place, I saw exactly the same as I see in York so the problem is not just with us, it must be a "race" thing! On a lighter note, I also saw thousands of people leaving the course as normal people would, 20 arrests out of 40,000 punters must show that it is a minority that spoil it for the majority, just like the football yobbos did for me years ago. PR Willey
  • Score: 18

10:10pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Haywire says...

Dear Jack Ham,
I won't re-quote your original lengthy piece (I don't want to give any more air time to the bits of political nonsense in it), but I think that what Oncebitten is getting at is your mention of 'hoarded'. I think that that is what people did with toilet rolls when there was a shortage. I suspect that what you really intended was 'hordes', but correct me if I am wrong!
Dear Jack Ham, I won't re-quote your original lengthy piece (I don't want to give any more air time to the bits of political nonsense in it), but I think that what Oncebitten is getting at is your mention of 'hoarded'. I think that that is what people did with toilet rolls when there was a shortage. I suspect that what you really intended was 'hordes', but correct me if I am wrong! Haywire
  • Score: -5

10:29pm Sun 27 Jul 14

bolero says...

So Bill Bailey takes this scenario as an excuse to have a go at the police. Pathetic. Won't you GO home Bill Bailey?
So Bill Bailey takes this scenario as an excuse to have a go at the police. Pathetic. Won't you GO home Bill Bailey? bolero
  • Score: 2

11:01pm Sun 27 Jul 14

adaptorperish says...

Oh boo hoo deal with it. I read so many comments on here and am thoroughly sick of seeing people winge over trivial nonsense. It would seem all you people want is to see York become some sort of archaic ghost town were old people come to die... This is exactly why me and all of my friends of similar age (mid 20's) don't want to live and work here anymore, because there is NOTHING left for us.

Keep on closing our favourite nightclubs and moaning as we try to expand our industry in this dying city... Then in about 20 years time you'll be wondering why everyone buggered off to work in Leeds.
Oh boo hoo deal with it. I read so many comments on here and am thoroughly sick of seeing people winge over trivial nonsense. It would seem all you people want is to see York become some sort of archaic ghost town were old people come to die... This is exactly why me and all of my friends of similar age (mid 20's) don't want to live and work here anymore, because there is NOTHING left for us. Keep on closing our favourite nightclubs and moaning as we try to expand our industry in this dying city... Then in about 20 years time you'll be wondering why everyone buggered off to work in Leeds. adaptorperish
  • Score: -33

11:18pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Emperor Palpatine says...

adaptorperish wrote:
Oh boo hoo deal with it. I read so many comments on here and am thoroughly sick of seeing people winge over trivial nonsense. It would seem all you people want is to see York become some sort of archaic ghost town were old people come to die... This is exactly why me and all of my friends of similar age (mid 20's) don't want to live and work here anymore, because there is NOTHING left for us.

Keep on closing our favourite nightclubs and moaning as we try to expand our industry in this dying city... Then in about 20 years time you'll be wondering why everyone buggered off to work in Leeds.
But it isn't you and your "20 something" mates having to deal with the trouble is it. It's the police, A and E staff and folks who have nothing at all to do with it such as my poor mother (see above ) who are left to cope whilst you are having a good time.

Enjoy Leeds, bye then.
[quote][p][bold]adaptorperish[/bold] wrote: Oh boo hoo deal with it. I read so many comments on here and am thoroughly sick of seeing people winge over trivial nonsense. It would seem all you people want is to see York become some sort of archaic ghost town were old people come to die... This is exactly why me and all of my friends of similar age (mid 20's) don't want to live and work here anymore, because there is NOTHING left for us. Keep on closing our favourite nightclubs and moaning as we try to expand our industry in this dying city... Then in about 20 years time you'll be wondering why everyone buggered off to work in Leeds.[/p][/quote]But it isn't you and your "20 something" mates having to deal with the trouble is it. It's the police, A and E staff and folks who have nothing at all to do with it such as my poor mother (see above ) who are left to cope whilst you are having a good time. Enjoy Leeds, bye then. Emperor Palpatine
  • Score: 26

11:38pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Soooo... If it were the council putting on a "sporting event" involving horses that race and punters that gamble and drink.... And if there happened to be two nights of drunken violence in town and high profile hospitalisations including having to "sluice down the road" - yep to wash away the blood...
And then the council boss "did a James Brennan" by rolling out the "everything is rosy" spin - http://www.yorkpress
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Well you'd all be massing up with your pitchforks and flaming torches as usual demanding heads on spikes.

To clarify my point - that racecourse marketing spokesman dude has GOT SOME NECK! And so have the people who who print his spin - yep that's you YORK PRESS!
Soooo... If it were the council putting on a "sporting event" involving horses that race and punters that gamble and drink.... And if there happened to be two nights of drunken violence in town and high profile hospitalisations including having to "sluice down the road" - yep to wash away the blood... And then the council boss "did a James Brennan" by rolling out the "everything is rosy" spin - http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/11369210 .Almost_60_000_atten d_York_races_showcas e_weekend/ Well you'd all be massing up with your pitchforks and flaming torches as usual demanding heads on spikes. To clarify my point - that racecourse marketing spokesman dude has GOT SOME NECK! And so have the people who who print his spin - yep that's you YORK PRESS! Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 14

2:47am Mon 28 Jul 14

Magicman! says...

He said extra officers had been on duty because it was a Saturday and there was a meeting at York Racecourse but the day had been relatively trouble free until 8pm, when the trouble started.


funny that, how the time fits in.. by 8pm there were very few people still leaving the racecourse, meaning most had already got to the city centre by then; oh and look at that, trouble starts up almost as soon as the last people have got there
[quote]He said extra officers had been on duty because it was a Saturday and there was a meeting at York Racecourse but the day had been relatively trouble free until 8pm, when the trouble started.[/quote] funny that, how the time fits in.. by 8pm there were very few people still leaving the racecourse, meaning most had already got to the city centre by then; oh and look at that, trouble starts up almost as soon as the last people have got there Magicman!
  • Score: 12

2:47am Mon 28 Jul 14

Dave Ruddock says...

I do think as the press is national y own by some corporate then they like govt should listen to the people and NOT resound like a government
we know what happens , just seems some people needs lessons
in monty python tern "The Bleeding OBVIOUS .
I do think as the press is national y own by some corporate then they like govt should listen to the people and NOT resound like a government we know what happens , just seems some people needs lessons in monty python tern "The Bleeding OBVIOUS . Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -1

3:58am Mon 28 Jul 14

anth!! says...

adaptorperish wrote:
Oh boo hoo deal with it. I read so many comments on here and am thoroughly sick of seeing people winge over trivial nonsense. It would seem all you people want is to see York become some sort of archaic ghost town were old people come to die... This is exactly why me and all of my friends of similar age (mid 20's) don't want to live and work here anymore, because there is NOTHING left for us.

Keep on closing our favourite nightclubs and moaning as we try to expand our industry in this dying city... Then in about 20 years time you'll be wondering why everyone buggered off to work in Leeds.
Tara then..
[quote][p][bold]adaptorperish[/bold] wrote: Oh boo hoo deal with it. I read so many comments on here and am thoroughly sick of seeing people winge over trivial nonsense. It would seem all you people want is to see York become some sort of archaic ghost town were old people come to die... This is exactly why me and all of my friends of similar age (mid 20's) don't want to live and work here anymore, because there is NOTHING left for us. Keep on closing our favourite nightclubs and moaning as we try to expand our industry in this dying city... Then in about 20 years time you'll be wondering why everyone buggered off to work in Leeds.[/p][/quote]Tara then.. anth!!
  • Score: 22

7:20am Mon 28 Jul 14

rat scabies says...

Sounds like some people need to get out more, i go to the races and into the city on a regular basis, never had a problem in 30 odd years of going to York races, it's a big place, if all the people who wrap themselves and their children up in cotton wool want to stay away from the people who are enjoying themselves (and that means drinking alcohol sometimes) and the other people who are getting a bit boisterous theres plenty of space.And when they introduced the family day about 15 years ago , i took my children , they loved it and still go now with their mates now that they have grown up .
As for young uns scrapping up town, York isn't unique AND York was quite a violent city only 30 years back, always a scrap going on in the mucky duck, or the stonebow , just stay away from the dark side on a race day ( i don't go down there any day, its crap anyhow) bet the majority of you moaning on here are too tight to go to the races (or any other paying sporting event) and even too tight to go to the pub!!
Sounds like some people need to get out more, i go to the races and into the city on a regular basis, never had a problem in 30 odd years of going to York races, it's a big place, if all the people who wrap themselves and their children up in cotton wool want to stay away from the people who are enjoying themselves (and that means drinking alcohol sometimes) and the other people who are getting a bit boisterous theres plenty of space.And when they introduced the family day about 15 years ago , i took my children , they loved it and still go now with their mates now that they have grown up . As for young uns scrapping up town, York isn't unique AND York was quite a violent city only 30 years back, always a scrap going on in the mucky duck, or the stonebow , just stay away from the dark side on a race day ( i don't go down there any day, its crap anyhow) bet the majority of you moaning on here are too tight to go to the races (or any other paying sporting event) and even too tight to go to the pub!! rat scabies
  • Score: -12

8:03am Mon 28 Jul 14

big boy york says...

i can remember back in the 80's all racegoers coaches had to be out of york within an hour of the last race, & alcohol was also restricted in that hour pubs shut there doors off licences as they where back then also shut, could easily be repeated now say last race is 5 30 pm all pubs, shops, restaurants close for the two hours people all ready in these places can leave whenever but nobody can gain entry will never happen though as no council will have the ball to implement this, the solution is really simple take the problem away the problem disappears easy aint it also the racecourse could help say punters have to buy token on entry for drinks & limited to say five tokens at say £20 & no cash taken at bars would curb the bingers n make york more friendly to come to
i can remember back in the 80's all racegoers coaches had to be out of york within an hour of the last race, & alcohol was also restricted in that hour pubs shut there doors off licences as they where back then also shut, could easily be repeated now say last race is 5 30 pm all pubs, shops, restaurants close for the two hours people all ready in these places can leave whenever but nobody can gain entry will never happen though as no council will have the ball to implement this, the solution is really simple take the problem away the problem disappears easy aint it also the racecourse could help say punters have to buy token on entry for drinks & limited to say five tokens at say £20 & no cash taken at bars would curb the bingers n make york more friendly to come to big boy york
  • Score: 8

8:03am Mon 28 Jul 14

big boy york says...

i can remember back in the 80's all racegoers coaches had to be out of york within an hour of the last race, & alcohol was also restricted in that hour pubs shut there doors off licences as they where back then also shut, could easily be repeated now say last race is 5 30 pm all pubs, shops, restaurants close for the two hours people all ready in these places can leave whenever but nobody can gain entry will never happen though as no council will have the ball to implement this, the solution is really simple take the problem away the problem disappears easy aint it also the racecourse could help say punters have to buy token on entry for drinks & limited to say five tokens at say £20 & no cash taken at bars would curb the bingers n make york more friendly to come to
i can remember back in the 80's all racegoers coaches had to be out of york within an hour of the last race, & alcohol was also restricted in that hour pubs shut there doors off licences as they where back then also shut, could easily be repeated now say last race is 5 30 pm all pubs, shops, restaurants close for the two hours people all ready in these places can leave whenever but nobody can gain entry will never happen though as no council will have the ball to implement this, the solution is really simple take the problem away the problem disappears easy aint it also the racecourse could help say punters have to buy token on entry for drinks & limited to say five tokens at say £20 & no cash taken at bars would curb the bingers n make york more friendly to come to big boy york
  • Score: 9

9:13am Mon 28 Jul 14

Jack Ham says...

Haywire wrote:
Dear Jack Ham,
I won't re-quote your original lengthy piece (I don't want to give any more air time to the bits of political nonsense in it), but I think that what Oncebitten is getting at is your mention of 'hoarded'. I think that that is what people did with toilet rolls when there was a shortage. I suspect that what you really intended was 'hordes', but correct me if I am wrong!
Ah. Thank you.

This matter is very clearly a political one. It is within the power of City of York Council to change it but they are unable/unwilling to do so.

As the council is led by an elected administration how could it not be political?

In this case, like many other problems in this city it's not so much what Labour/Tory's/Lib Dems would do politically. The problem is incompetence at the top - politicians and officers alike.
[quote][p][bold]Haywire[/bold] wrote: Dear Jack Ham, I won't re-quote your original lengthy piece (I don't want to give any more air time to the bits of political nonsense in it), but I think that what Oncebitten is getting at is your mention of 'hoarded'. I think that that is what people did with toilet rolls when there was a shortage. I suspect that what you really intended was 'hordes', but correct me if I am wrong![/p][/quote]Ah. Thank you. This matter is very clearly a political one. It is within the power of City of York Council to change it but they are unable/unwilling to do so. As the council is led by an elected administration how could it not be political? In this case, like many other problems in this city it's not so much what Labour/Tory's/Lib Dems would do politically. The problem is incompetence at the top - politicians and officers alike. Jack Ham
  • Score: 5

9:25am Mon 28 Jul 14

York2000 says...

Hilarious to see the anti council brigade jumping on this. Didn't realise the problem with drunk people coming from the races into York has only existed since 2010. Get some perspective people. The Press are taking you all for mugs,
Hilarious to see the anti council brigade jumping on this. Didn't realise the problem with drunk people coming from the races into York has only existed since 2010. Get some perspective people. The Press are taking you all for mugs, York2000
  • Score: -19

10:21am Mon 28 Jul 14

bishopthorpe_jim says...

"Racecourse spokesman James Brennan said this afternoon that it took the licensing laws 'absolutely seriously,' insisted racegoers were not served drinks if they were drunk and suggested people had bought and consumed alcohol at on and off licences on their way in to the city centre after the meeting."
What complete rubbish - I arrived back in York at 7pm on Saturday and had to run the gauntlet from the train station to Bishopthorpe Road. I got abuse shouted at me on Station Road by a group of drunk men, at the junction of Blossom Street and Micklegate there was a group complete with drinks still in plastic glasses (as well as other groups barely able to walk or stand), and I arrived on Bishopthorpe Road just in time to see a fight outside Dominos between two men who still had their race tags on. I say fight, but they really weren't able to coordinate anything more than pathetic uncoordinated shoving which resulted in one chap being pushed out into the road in front of a quick-witted driver. Mr Brennan cannot seriously be suggesting these people drank themselves stupid in the one pub and one off-licence in the three quarters of a mile between the racecourse and Bishopthorpe Road shops?
It's just over a year since alcohol played a part in the tragic and untimely death of a race-goer at York; surely it's time that the racecourse did more than blame other local businesses. To prove Mr Brennan's theory, it'd be interesting to run a few 'dry' race meets and see if there is the same problem. If he's right and people are going for the racing rather than the drinking there'll be no impact on the racecourse so it'd be worth a try. I've no problem with people drinking or going out and having fun, but for the most part, the atmosphere created by racegoers and hen parties in York is grim and is offensive to those of us who actually live and work here.
"Racecourse spokesman James Brennan said this afternoon that it took the licensing laws 'absolutely seriously,' insisted racegoers were not served drinks if they were drunk and suggested people had bought and consumed alcohol at on and off licences on their way in to the city centre after the meeting." What complete rubbish - I arrived back in York at 7pm on Saturday and had to run the gauntlet from the train station to Bishopthorpe Road. I got abuse shouted at me on Station Road by a group of drunk men, at the junction of Blossom Street and Micklegate there was a group complete with drinks still in plastic glasses (as well as other groups barely able to walk or stand), and I arrived on Bishopthorpe Road just in time to see a fight outside Dominos between two men who still had their race tags on. I say fight, but they really weren't able to coordinate anything more than pathetic uncoordinated shoving which resulted in one chap being pushed out into the road in front of a quick-witted driver. Mr Brennan cannot seriously be suggesting these people drank themselves stupid in the one pub and one off-licence in the three quarters of a mile between the racecourse and Bishopthorpe Road shops? It's just over a year since alcohol played a part in the tragic and untimely death of a race-goer at York; surely it's time that the racecourse did more than blame other local businesses. To prove Mr Brennan's theory, it'd be interesting to run a few 'dry' race meets and see if there is the same problem. If he's right and people are going for the racing rather than the drinking there'll be no impact on the racecourse so it'd be worth a try. I've no problem with people drinking or going out and having fun, but for the most part, the atmosphere created by racegoers and hen parties in York is grim and is offensive to those of us who actually live and work here. bishopthorpe_jim
  • Score: 23

10:25am Mon 28 Jul 14

walkdengirl says...

A pleasant atmosphere? ha! Maybe on the race course, definitely not in town later, it was disgusting and threatening! the sight of a young man and a lady well into her 60s feeling each other up will stay with me forever, both so drunk they could barely stand, it was just wrong, and would have been wrong if they had been the same age, and I'm sure if they were sober or even slightly drunk it wouldn't have happened.
A pleasant atmosphere? ha! Maybe on the race course, definitely not in town later, it was disgusting and threatening! the sight of a young man and a lady well into her 60s feeling each other up will stay with me forever, both so drunk they could barely stand, it was just wrong, and would have been wrong if they had been the same age, and I'm sure if they were sober or even slightly drunk it wouldn't have happened. walkdengirl
  • Score: 10

10:34am Mon 28 Jul 14

Justin7 says...

PositiveFootball wrote:
York racecourse will again say that it has nothing to do with them as the problems occur later. There is a direct correlation between race days and trouble in York centre. All Yorkies know to stay out of town when there is a race meeting on. York racecourse start the fire then deny any responsibility! Come on Mr Brennan grow some b**** and take some action before something really serious happens. As someone stated earlier if this happened after a York City match then there would be sanctions against the club.
Thank you for pointing this absolute truth out. It is horrendous in town after a race meeting.

I've been to York City games with 5,000 home fans and 2,000 away fans all coming out and walking down Bootham at the same time and there's very rarely any trouble at all.

But you can bet the Press would be all over this with "football" headlines if even one person was arrested. Mass brawls after a race meeting and there's no sign of races in the headline.
[quote][p][bold]PositiveFootball[/bold] wrote: York racecourse will again say that it has nothing to do with them as the problems occur later. There is a direct correlation between race days and trouble in York centre. All Yorkies know to stay out of town when there is a race meeting on. York racecourse start the fire then deny any responsibility! Come on Mr Brennan grow some b**** and take some action before something really serious happens. As someone stated earlier if this happened after a York City match then there would be sanctions against the club.[/p][/quote]Thank you for pointing this absolute truth out. It is horrendous in town after a race meeting. I've been to York City games with 5,000 home fans and 2,000 away fans all coming out and walking down Bootham at the same time and there's very rarely any trouble at all. But you can bet the Press would be all over this with "football" headlines if even one person was arrested. Mass brawls after a race meeting and there's no sign of races in the headline. Justin7
  • Score: 15

10:37am Mon 28 Jul 14

Poppy01 says...

anth!! wrote:
adaptorperish wrote:
Oh boo hoo deal with it. I read so many comments on here and am thoroughly sick of seeing people winge over trivial nonsense. It would seem all you people want is to see York become some sort of archaic ghost town were old people come to die... This is exactly why me and all of my friends of similar age (mid 20's) don't want to live and work here anymore, because there is NOTHING left for us.

Keep on closing our favourite nightclubs and moaning as we try to expand our industry in this dying city... Then in about 20 years time you'll be wondering why everyone buggered off to work in Leeds.
Tara then..
Good, go live in Leeds then.
[quote][p][bold]anth!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adaptorperish[/bold] wrote: Oh boo hoo deal with it. I read so many comments on here and am thoroughly sick of seeing people winge over trivial nonsense. It would seem all you people want is to see York become some sort of archaic ghost town were old people come to die... This is exactly why me and all of my friends of similar age (mid 20's) don't want to live and work here anymore, because there is NOTHING left for us. Keep on closing our favourite nightclubs and moaning as we try to expand our industry in this dying city... Then in about 20 years time you'll be wondering why everyone buggered off to work in Leeds.[/p][/quote]Tara then..[/p][/quote]Good, go live in Leeds then. Poppy01
  • Score: 12

10:44am Mon 28 Jul 14

chunks says...

Welcome to the world of James Brennan.

A couple go to the races and have a meal in the City centre afterwards. That is an example of the racecourse contributing to the local economy.

A man goes to the races and has a beer in a South Bank pub on the way home. That is another example of the racecourse contributing to the local economy.

A man goes to the races and has a few beers in the City centre, then starts a fight and urinates in a shop doorway. That has NOTHING to do with York races.

Mr Brennan, if you accepted that there's a problem then maybe the police, residents and the racecourse could work together to find a solution that everyone could live with. As it stands you just make yourself look ridiculous and lose the little credibility you had.
Welcome to the world of James Brennan. A couple go to the races and have a meal in the City centre afterwards. That is an example of the racecourse contributing to the local economy. A man goes to the races and has a beer in a South Bank pub on the way home. That is another example of the racecourse contributing to the local economy. A man goes to the races and has a few beers in the City centre, then starts a fight and urinates in a shop doorway. That has NOTHING to do with York races. Mr Brennan, if you accepted that there's a problem then maybe the police, residents and the racecourse could work together to find a solution that everyone could live with. As it stands you just make yourself look ridiculous and lose the little credibility you had. chunks
  • Score: 22

10:49am Mon 28 Jul 14

chunks says...

Justin7 wrote:
PositiveFootball wrote:
York racecourse will again say that it has nothing to do with them as the problems occur later. There is a direct correlation between race days and trouble in York centre. All Yorkies know to stay out of town when there is a race meeting on. York racecourse start the fire then deny any responsibility! Come on Mr Brennan grow some b**** and take some action before something really serious happens. As someone stated earlier if this happened after a York City match then there would be sanctions against the club.
Thank you for pointing this absolute truth out. It is horrendous in town after a race meeting.

I've been to York City games with 5,000 home fans and 2,000 away fans all coming out and walking down Bootham at the same time and there's very rarely any trouble at all.

But you can bet the Press would be all over this with "football" headlines if even one person was arrested. Mass brawls after a race meeting and there's no sign of races in the headline.
A good point. Remember though that York Press sponsor one of the race meetings, and the racecourse contributes a lot of advertising revenue to The Press. There is a clear conflict of interest, and The Press never has, and never will, report on the races with any degree of impartiality or objectivity.

This is a real shame from a "campaigning" newspaper.
[quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PositiveFootball[/bold] wrote: York racecourse will again say that it has nothing to do with them as the problems occur later. There is a direct correlation between race days and trouble in York centre. All Yorkies know to stay out of town when there is a race meeting on. York racecourse start the fire then deny any responsibility! Come on Mr Brennan grow some b**** and take some action before something really serious happens. As someone stated earlier if this happened after a York City match then there would be sanctions against the club.[/p][/quote]Thank you for pointing this absolute truth out. It is horrendous in town after a race meeting. I've been to York City games with 5,000 home fans and 2,000 away fans all coming out and walking down Bootham at the same time and there's very rarely any trouble at all. But you can bet the Press would be all over this with "football" headlines if even one person was arrested. Mass brawls after a race meeting and there's no sign of races in the headline.[/p][/quote]A good point. Remember though that York Press sponsor one of the race meetings, and the racecourse contributes a lot of advertising revenue to The Press. There is a clear conflict of interest, and The Press never has, and never will, report on the races with any degree of impartiality or objectivity. This is a real shame from a "campaigning" newspaper. chunks
  • Score: 18

11:20am Mon 28 Jul 14

boroboy66 says...

Police should use the powers they have and used very successfully in the 80s and 90s with football travelling fans,after the race meeting all outside racegoers in mini buses coaches ect are moved on out of the city straight after the race meeting is finished and sent on their way by designated route,and locals only with landlords and door staff discression given access to public houses,.
Police should use the powers they have and used very successfully in the 80s and 90s with football travelling fans,after the race meeting all outside racegoers in mini buses coaches ect are moved on out of the city straight after the race meeting is finished and sent on their way by designated route,and locals only with landlords and door staff discression given access to public houses,. boroboy66
  • Score: 13

11:27am Mon 28 Jul 14

Fat Harry says...

I neither know nor care whether twenty arrests is the same as, more than, or fewer than, a "normal" Saturday night.

My own experience of arriving at York railway station late on Saturday night was extremely unpleasant. The first thing I noticed as I stepped from the train was the heady aroma of stale lager and drying vomit, closely followed by the drunken hordes barging their way onto the train, careless of their own or anyone else's safety.

Now, I'd had a drink or two myself in London and on the train, so I'm really not some dried-up old killjoy, but the scenes on the station and as I skirted the city centre did take me aback.

I suspect what shocked me and many other contributors to the discussion was the sheer scale of it. I'm well-used to seeing drunks staggering around on Saturday afternoons and evenings shouting obscenities and offering a fight to all and sundry; I might on occasion even have deviated from the straight and narrow in my own mis-spent youth. Nevertheless, the sheer numbers involved and ferocity of their behaviour genuinely shocked me.

I seriously doubt if draconian anti-drink measures will help, but I must confess I'm at a loss as to understand such behaviour, still less how to combat it.
I neither know nor care whether twenty arrests is the same as, more than, or fewer than, a "normal" Saturday night. My own experience of arriving at York railway station late on Saturday night was extremely unpleasant. The first thing I noticed as I stepped from the train was the heady aroma of stale lager and drying vomit, closely followed by the drunken hordes barging their way onto the train, careless of their own or anyone else's safety. Now, I'd had a drink or two myself in London and on the train, so I'm really not some dried-up old killjoy, but the scenes on the station and as I skirted the city centre did take me aback. I suspect what shocked me and many other contributors to the discussion was the sheer scale of it. I'm well-used to seeing drunks staggering around on Saturday afternoons and evenings shouting obscenities and offering a fight to all and sundry; I might on occasion even have deviated from the straight and narrow in my own mis-spent youth. Nevertheless, the sheer numbers involved and ferocity of their behaviour genuinely shocked me. I seriously doubt if draconian anti-drink measures will help, but I must confess I'm at a loss as to understand such behaviour, still less how to combat it. Fat Harry
  • Score: 17

11:36am Mon 28 Jul 14

Bad magic says...

adaptorperish wrote:
Oh boo hoo deal with it. I read so many comments on here and am thoroughly sick of seeing people winge over trivial nonsense. It would seem all you people want is to see York become some sort of archaic ghost town were old people come to die... This is exactly why me and all of my friends of similar age (mid 20's) don't want to live and work here anymore, because there is NOTHING left for us.

Keep on closing our favourite nightclubs and moaning as we try to expand our industry in this dying city... Then in about 20 years time you'll be wondering why everyone buggered off to work in Leeds.
Please feel free to wander off then. If you can't see why it's incredibly uncomfortable being in town when this nonsense is going on, and if you can't see the damage it's doing to the city then you're probably part of the problem.
And if your "industry" is based on pouring alcohol into already drunk idiots, your model is flawed. Or is your "industry" providing them with the seemingly limitless supply of low quality gak cocaine they seem to thrive on?

Anyway, I digress. The trains leave at about 15 minute intervals. Please come back once you've grown up.
[quote][p][bold]adaptorperish[/bold] wrote: Oh boo hoo deal with it. I read so many comments on here and am thoroughly sick of seeing people winge over trivial nonsense. It would seem all you people want is to see York become some sort of archaic ghost town were old people come to die... This is exactly why me and all of my friends of similar age (mid 20's) don't want to live and work here anymore, because there is NOTHING left for us. Keep on closing our favourite nightclubs and moaning as we try to expand our industry in this dying city... Then in about 20 years time you'll be wondering why everyone buggered off to work in Leeds.[/p][/quote]Please feel free to wander off then. If you can't see why it's incredibly uncomfortable being in town when this nonsense is going on, and if you can't see the damage it's doing to the city then you're probably part of the problem. And if your "industry" is based on pouring alcohol into already drunk idiots, your model is flawed. Or is your "industry" providing them with the seemingly limitless supply of low quality gak cocaine they seem to thrive on? Anyway, I digress. The trains leave at about 15 minute intervals. Please come back once you've grown up. Bad magic
  • Score: 9

12:21pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Stressed Out says...

For information: Once a premises are granted an alcohol licence that licence lasts forever unless it is surrendered or brought to review by any member of the public or authorised body like the police. The review must be brought under one of the four licensing objectives and it is then heard at a hearing with the Gambling and Licensing committee of CYC. At that time the licence could have more conditions placed on it, hours reduced or it could be revoked.
All these details taken from CYC website.
For information: Once a premises are granted an alcohol licence that licence lasts forever unless it is surrendered or brought to review by any member of the public or authorised body like the police. The review must be brought under one of the four licensing objectives and it is then heard at a hearing with the Gambling and Licensing committee of CYC. At that time the licence could have more conditions placed on it, hours reduced or it could be revoked. All these details taken from CYC website. Stressed Out
  • Score: 2

12:45pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Jackanory2 says...

voiceofnormalpeople wrote:
How do you stop trouble in York during the day? Stop serving the hordes of Geordies that are **** by 3pm wandering around the town centre being complete d**k heads. that should cut the trouble by half.
They tried that quite a few years ago and it only created more trouble as the race goers had nowhere to go.
[quote][p][bold]voiceofnormalpeople[/bold] wrote: How do you stop trouble in York during the day? Stop serving the hordes of Geordies that are **** by 3pm wandering around the town centre being complete d**k heads. that should cut the trouble by half.[/p][/quote]They tried that quite a few years ago and it only created more trouble as the race goers had nowhere to go. Jackanory2
  • Score: -4

12:47pm Mon 28 Jul 14

yorkshirelad says...

Not good! I too have seen this behaviour with my own eyes. What causes real anger is the way that drunken racegoers are treated compared to, say, football fans. I wonder if you they were wearing a football shirt or scarf and did some of this stuff...the courts would be quite so empty? Or the riots a few years ago when many young people were prosecuted? It just seems that the racecourse gets away with it because it feels it has an exalted position. It's not the fault of the Police...it's the racecourse who must get real and face up to it's responsibility much more.

I do wonder about all the cars coming out of the racecourse too. Random breath tests for Christmas shoppers...what about all the 4x4's emerging from a drink-fuelled raceday?

It just seems one law for the racecourse and one for the rest of us and it's unacceptable.
Not good! I too have seen this behaviour with my own eyes. What causes real anger is the way that drunken racegoers are treated compared to, say, football fans. I wonder if you they were wearing a football shirt or scarf and did some of this stuff...the courts would be quite so empty? Or the riots a few years ago when many young people were prosecuted? It just seems that the racecourse gets away with it because it feels it has an exalted position. It's not the fault of the Police...it's the racecourse who must get real and face up to it's responsibility much more. I do wonder about all the cars coming out of the racecourse too. Random breath tests for Christmas shoppers...what about all the 4x4's emerging from a drink-fuelled raceday? It just seems one law for the racecourse and one for the rest of us and it's unacceptable. yorkshirelad
  • Score: 20

12:52pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Rubber Lips says...

Many years ago a good drink and a tear up were perfectly the norm. Too many people in yrk precious about their little city. Lets be honest people from york behave exactly the same way whilst going to other cities stag dos, hen parties, football fans, day trippers drinking, nights out in leeds, we have all done it. Yet all you lot get on your high horse. Funny thing is the mjority are from york sat on the cheapside swigging crate after crate of stella carling and fosters
Many years ago a good drink and a tear up were perfectly the norm. Too many people in yrk precious about their little city. Lets be honest people from york behave exactly the same way whilst going to other cities stag dos, hen parties, football fans, day trippers drinking, nights out in leeds, we have all done it. Yet all you lot get on your high horse. Funny thing is the mjority are from york sat on the cheapside swigging crate after crate of stella carling and fosters Rubber Lips
  • Score: -14

12:58pm Mon 28 Jul 14

keith&carol says...

i was at york races on friday night and it was fantastic from the races to beach boys to town later, was there again Saturday afternooon admit there was more than twice the amount of people there but you could sense as it got later the mood was different, didnt go for a drink in town but drove through later and it was carnage everywhere very little the police or doormen could do, i go to most meetings and dont generally find too many problems afterwards but when it does kick off like saturday it is a no-go area and if i was a tourist i certainly wouldnt come back, the comments from the racecourse dont help they MUST take responsibilty for it as said if it was football related york city would be blamed for it.
i was at york races on friday night and it was fantastic from the races to beach boys to town later, was there again Saturday afternooon admit there was more than twice the amount of people there but you could sense as it got later the mood was different, didnt go for a drink in town but drove through later and it was carnage everywhere very little the police or doormen could do, i go to most meetings and dont generally find too many problems afterwards but when it does kick off like saturday it is a no-go area and if i was a tourist i certainly wouldnt come back, the comments from the racecourse dont help they MUST take responsibilty for it as said if it was football related york city would be blamed for it. keith&carol
  • Score: 17

1:04pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Bad magic says...

Rubber Lips wrote:
Many years ago a good drink and a tear up were perfectly the norm. Too many people in yrk precious about their little city. Lets be honest people from york behave exactly the same way whilst going to other cities stag dos, hen parties, football fans, day trippers drinking, nights out in leeds, we have all done it. Yet all you lot get on your high horse. Funny thing is the mjority are from york sat on the cheapside swigging crate after crate of stella carling and fosters
I don't. Just because you are one of the muppets who think it's all great fun, don't tar me with your own brush.
[quote][p][bold]Rubber Lips[/bold] wrote: Many years ago a good drink and a tear up were perfectly the norm. Too many people in yrk precious about their little city. Lets be honest people from york behave exactly the same way whilst going to other cities stag dos, hen parties, football fans, day trippers drinking, nights out in leeds, we have all done it. Yet all you lot get on your high horse. Funny thing is the mjority are from york sat on the cheapside swigging crate after crate of stella carling and fosters[/p][/quote]I don't. Just because you are one of the muppets who think it's all great fun, don't tar me with your own brush. Bad magic
  • Score: 1

1:11pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Dr Brian says...

York Race course should be made to pay for extra policing in the City and for damage caused by the hordes of drunken men and women who shout swear threaten and scream their way around town after each race meeting. Perhaps the time has come to say enough is enough and tell the Race authorities either sort your act out or in the interest of safety your licence to hold public events (ie race meetings) will be withdrawn.

Personally I would horde the drunks into a horse box and despatch them back to Geordieland West Yorkshire etc. Do we really need this scum in the city?
York Race course should be made to pay for extra policing in the City and for damage caused by the hordes of drunken men and women who shout swear threaten and scream their way around town after each race meeting. Perhaps the time has come to say enough is enough and tell the Race authorities either sort your act out or in the interest of safety your licence to hold public events (ie race meetings) will be withdrawn. Personally I would horde the drunks into a horse box and despatch them back to Geordieland West Yorkshire etc. Do we really need this scum in the city? Dr Brian
  • Score: 11

1:24pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Haywire says...

Jack Ham wrote:
Haywire wrote:
Dear Jack Ham,
I won't re-quote your original lengthy piece (I don't want to give any more air time to the bits of political nonsense in it), but I think that what Oncebitten is getting at is your mention of 'hoarded'. I think that that is what people did with toilet rolls when there was a shortage. I suspect that what you really intended was 'hordes', but correct me if I am wrong!
Ah. Thank you.

This matter is very clearly a political one. It is within the power of City of York Council to change it but they are unable/unwilling to do so.

As the council is led by an elected administration how could it not be political?

In this case, like many other problems in this city it's not so much what Labour/Tory's/Lib Dems would do politically. The problem is incompetence at the top - politicians and officers alike.
Hello Jack,
Thanks appreciated.
My comments re. politics related to the tone of your piece in relation to the current administration. However, I am now happy to see that you appear to be apolitical in your condemnation of Saturday's events.
As to future action by whoever might have some responsibilities for this area of 'policing', don't hold your breath.
I would have thought that our sterling Police Commissioner would have made her feelings plain to her local men regarding what amounts to civil disorder, but have not spotted her comments as yet.
As to CYC, I have a suspicion that, even if they decided to grasp this nettle with some measured and practicable policies, a certain Mr. Pickles would accuse them of being a fascist authority.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Haywire[/bold] wrote: Dear Jack Ham, I won't re-quote your original lengthy piece (I don't want to give any more air time to the bits of political nonsense in it), but I think that what Oncebitten is getting at is your mention of 'hoarded'. I think that that is what people did with toilet rolls when there was a shortage. I suspect that what you really intended was 'hordes', but correct me if I am wrong![/p][/quote]Ah. Thank you. This matter is very clearly a political one. It is within the power of City of York Council to change it but they are unable/unwilling to do so. As the council is led by an elected administration how could it not be political? In this case, like many other problems in this city it's not so much what Labour/Tory's/Lib Dems would do politically. The problem is incompetence at the top - politicians and officers alike.[/p][/quote]Hello Jack, Thanks appreciated. My comments re. politics related to the tone of your piece in relation to the current administration. However, I am now happy to see that you appear to be apolitical in your condemnation of Saturday's events. As to future action by whoever might have some responsibilities for this area of 'policing', don't hold your breath. I would have thought that our sterling Police Commissioner would have made her feelings plain to her local men regarding what amounts to civil disorder, but have not spotted her comments as yet. As to CYC, I have a suspicion that, even if they decided to grasp this nettle with some measured and practicable policies, a certain Mr. Pickles would accuse them of being a fascist authority. Haywire
  • Score: 4

1:35pm Mon 28 Jul 14

You're Fired says...

YorkDrinker wrote:
I'm not a prude or killjoy. I love a drink just as much as the next man and I frequently go to the races, but I know my limit and have never collapsed in the street, vomited publically or been in a brawl.

As a resident of York its disgraceful and sad to see what is happening to the town at a weekend and particularly when the races are on.

The simple answer is to educate people in responsibility, but frankly that is not going to work with the brainless idiots that are the problem.

So the issue needs addressing to protect OUR city. When big 'derby' football matches are played in some cities, the police have the power to close bars. Why not close all bars throughout the city until the first race starts - including the racecourse - rather than let people drink from 9am in the morning...

At the racecourse, maybe when you buy your race day ticket you get 6 'vouchers' and you only get a drink at a bar by handing over a voucher with your cash? Thats a drink between each race - does anyone need more than that? Its a horse racing event?

If you want to go further - how about residents only bars (show driving license or similar), dry trains into/out of York, banning stag/hen parties, fancy dress, over 25 bars for race days.

Maybe then the people causing the problem will be disuaded from coming to york to drink it dry, vomit all over it and fight their way home...
Some great points. I've been a member of the racecourse for 12 years and whilst I object to many of the comments on here labeling ALL racegoers as drunken brawlers (20,000+ attendees on Saturday and 20 arrests. Assuming every arrest was a racegoer that is 0.01% of racegoers arrested) I do agree that something needs to be done. I drank in town with friends after both race meetings at the weekend and didn't see any trouble. It is possible to find pleasant bars/pubs to drink in in and around the city centre you just need to know where to go. I've also witnessed door staff refusing entry to people just because they've been to the races so I don't think the blame lies with the door staff. Whether it be hen/stag parties, all day drinkers on any other weekend or race goers York has a reputation as a "great place to have loads of drinks" because it has countless pubs and bars in close proximity to one another. It's unfair to lay the blame solely on the racecourse, but I do agree that the racecourse could work with the council and police more closely to reduce the number of incidents. I'm also a season ticket holder at YCFC and the club are certainly kept on a much shorter leash by the police. I would like to add, however, that the closing off of certain streets in and around the racecourse is absolute lunacy.
[quote][p][bold]YorkDrinker[/bold] wrote: I'm not a prude or killjoy. I love a drink just as much as the next man and I frequently go to the races, but I know my limit and have never collapsed in the street, vomited publically or been in a brawl. As a resident of York its disgraceful and sad to see what is happening to the town at a weekend and particularly when the races are on. The simple answer is to educate people in responsibility, but frankly that is not going to work with the brainless idiots that are the problem. So the issue needs addressing to protect OUR city. When big 'derby' football matches are played in some cities, the police have the power to close bars. Why not close all bars throughout the city until the first race starts - including the racecourse - rather than let people drink from 9am in the morning... At the racecourse, maybe when you buy your race day ticket you get 6 'vouchers' and you only get a drink at a bar by handing over a voucher with your cash? Thats a drink between each race - does anyone need more than that? Its a horse racing event? If you want to go further - how about residents only bars (show driving license or similar), dry trains into/out of York, banning stag/hen parties, fancy dress, over 25 bars for race days. Maybe then the people causing the problem will be disuaded from coming to york to drink it dry, vomit all over it and fight their way home...[/p][/quote]Some great points. I've been a member of the racecourse for 12 years and whilst I object to many of the comments on here labeling ALL racegoers as drunken brawlers (20,000+ attendees on Saturday and 20 arrests. Assuming every arrest was a racegoer that is 0.01% of racegoers arrested) I do agree that something needs to be done. I drank in town with friends after both race meetings at the weekend and didn't see any trouble. It is possible to find pleasant bars/pubs to drink in in and around the city centre you just need to know where to go. I've also witnessed door staff refusing entry to people just because they've been to the races so I don't think the blame lies with the door staff. Whether it be hen/stag parties, all day drinkers on any other weekend or race goers York has a reputation as a "great place to have loads of drinks" because it has countless pubs and bars in close proximity to one another. It's unfair to lay the blame solely on the racecourse, but I do agree that the racecourse could work with the council and police more closely to reduce the number of incidents. I'm also a season ticket holder at YCFC and the club are certainly kept on a much shorter leash by the police. I would like to add, however, that the closing off of certain streets in and around the racecourse is absolute lunacy. You're Fired
  • Score: 2

1:49pm Mon 28 Jul 14

alanyork says...

all I know is "DRINK+DRUGS" are evil ! ! ! but alas the police+councils do very little to stop this blight on our society.
a strong leader could stamp out all the rotten evil doings quite easily if they wanted to do. they have the RULES+REGULATIONS but lack the toughness to enforce them. "THERE LIES THE PROBLEM" weak leadership all-round.
all I know is "DRINK+DRUGS" are evil ! ! ! but alas the police+councils do very little to stop this blight on our society. a strong leader could stamp out all the rotten evil doings quite easily if they wanted to do. they have the RULES+REGULATIONS but lack the toughness to enforce them. "THERE LIES THE PROBLEM" weak leadership all-round. alanyork
  • Score: -2

1:52pm Mon 28 Jul 14

You're Fired says...

My error, 40,000 in attendance on Saturday. 20 arrests would = 0.05% of racegoers. But obviously all racegoers are the problem....
My error, 40,000 in attendance on Saturday. 20 arrests would = 0.05% of racegoers. But obviously all racegoers are the problem.... You're Fired
  • Score: -4

2:03pm Mon 28 Jul 14

holden79 says...

Oncebitten wrote:
level-headed wrote:
Which bit of the article says that any of the people involved / arrested had been at the races? Groups from the North East swarm in on cheap trains every Saturday whether the races are on or not.......
Exactly my point...I hope Mike Laycock "Chief Reporter" answers my previous question.......what are the stats/figures for ANY Saturday night??
20 still seems low to me for a vibrant city......wonder what. Leeds, Sheffield and a comparable city Bath would be..?????
Mate I was out in Leeds City Centre on Saturday night, went to a variety of bars and clubs and the atmosphere was fantastic - didn't see even a hint of trouble all night from 7pm to near 4am and we covered some ground believe me - we went everywhere from expensive 'cultured' bars to sticky floored cheesy clubs.

I'll throw myself at any night in Leeds no problem but wouldn't go ANYWHERE near my beloved York on a race night.

Soooooooo many COMPLETE AND UTTER TOOLS wandering around in silver suits still wearing their stupid race pass/badge like it's some sort of status symbol.

Just make the whole bloody thing a dry event - it's not rocket science.
[quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]level-headed[/bold] wrote: Which bit of the article says that any of the people involved / arrested had been at the races? Groups from the North East swarm in on cheap trains every Saturday whether the races are on or not.......[/p][/quote]Exactly my point...I hope Mike Laycock "Chief Reporter" answers my previous question.......what are the stats/figures for ANY Saturday night?? 20 still seems low to me for a vibrant city......wonder what. Leeds, Sheffield and a comparable city Bath would be..?????[/p][/quote]Mate I was out in Leeds City Centre on Saturday night, went to a variety of bars and clubs and the atmosphere was fantastic - didn't see even a hint of trouble all night from 7pm to near 4am and we covered some ground believe me - we went everywhere from expensive 'cultured' bars to sticky floored cheesy clubs. I'll throw myself at any night in Leeds no problem but wouldn't go ANYWHERE near my beloved York on a race night. Soooooooo many COMPLETE AND UTTER TOOLS wandering around in silver suits still wearing their stupid race pass/badge like it's some sort of status symbol. Just make the whole bloody thing a dry event - it's not rocket science. holden79
  • Score: 19

2:56pm Mon 28 Jul 14

chunks says...

You're Fired wrote:
YorkDrinker wrote:
I'm not a prude or killjoy. I love a drink just as much as the next man and I frequently go to the races, but I know my limit and have never collapsed in the street, vomited publically or been in a brawl.

As a resident of York its disgraceful and sad to see what is happening to the town at a weekend and particularly when the races are on.

The simple answer is to educate people in responsibility, but frankly that is not going to work with the brainless idiots that are the problem.

So the issue needs addressing to protect OUR city. When big 'derby' football matches are played in some cities, the police have the power to close bars. Why not close all bars throughout the city until the first race starts - including the racecourse - rather than let people drink from 9am in the morning...

At the racecourse, maybe when you buy your race day ticket you get 6 'vouchers' and you only get a drink at a bar by handing over a voucher with your cash? Thats a drink between each race - does anyone need more than that? Its a horse racing event?

If you want to go further - how about residents only bars (show driving license or similar), dry trains into/out of York, banning stag/hen parties, fancy dress, over 25 bars for race days.

Maybe then the people causing the problem will be disuaded from coming to york to drink it dry, vomit all over it and fight their way home...
Some great points. I've been a member of the racecourse for 12 years and whilst I object to many of the comments on here labeling ALL racegoers as drunken brawlers (20,000+ attendees on Saturday and 20 arrests. Assuming every arrest was a racegoer that is 0.01% of racegoers arrested) I do agree that something needs to be done. I drank in town with friends after both race meetings at the weekend and didn't see any trouble. It is possible to find pleasant bars/pubs to drink in in and around the city centre you just need to know where to go. I've also witnessed door staff refusing entry to people just because they've been to the races so I don't think the blame lies with the door staff. Whether it be hen/stag parties, all day drinkers on any other weekend or race goers York has a reputation as a "great place to have loads of drinks" because it has countless pubs and bars in close proximity to one another. It's unfair to lay the blame solely on the racecourse, but I do agree that the racecourse could work with the council and police more closely to reduce the number of incidents. I'm also a season ticket holder at YCFC and the club are certainly kept on a much shorter leash by the police. I would like to add, however, that the closing off of certain streets in and around the racecourse is absolute lunacy.
The 20 arrested doesn't tell the whole story does it. It doesn't include the very significant amount of racegoers who have behaved criminally or anti-socially but have not been arrested. This may for example by due to the fact that no police were present when the offence was taking place, or the police decided to exercise their discretion by not making an arrest.

It also doesn't include an even more significant amount of racegoers whose behaviour, whilst not being criminal, still causes a huge amount of distress to residents.

Closing certain streets off makes perfect sense. Residents who live near the racecourse have had to put up with some disgraceful behaviour in the past, urinating in alleyways, damaging cars, smashing house windows, indecent exposure, trespass and criminal damage. It seems however that you think protecting residents is "lunacy."
[quote][p][bold]You're Fired[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkDrinker[/bold] wrote: I'm not a prude or killjoy. I love a drink just as much as the next man and I frequently go to the races, but I know my limit and have never collapsed in the street, vomited publically or been in a brawl. As a resident of York its disgraceful and sad to see what is happening to the town at a weekend and particularly when the races are on. The simple answer is to educate people in responsibility, but frankly that is not going to work with the brainless idiots that are the problem. So the issue needs addressing to protect OUR city. When big 'derby' football matches are played in some cities, the police have the power to close bars. Why not close all bars throughout the city until the first race starts - including the racecourse - rather than let people drink from 9am in the morning... At the racecourse, maybe when you buy your race day ticket you get 6 'vouchers' and you only get a drink at a bar by handing over a voucher with your cash? Thats a drink between each race - does anyone need more than that? Its a horse racing event? If you want to go further - how about residents only bars (show driving license or similar), dry trains into/out of York, banning stag/hen parties, fancy dress, over 25 bars for race days. Maybe then the people causing the problem will be disuaded from coming to york to drink it dry, vomit all over it and fight their way home...[/p][/quote]Some great points. I've been a member of the racecourse for 12 years and whilst I object to many of the comments on here labeling ALL racegoers as drunken brawlers (20,000+ attendees on Saturday and 20 arrests. Assuming every arrest was a racegoer that is 0.01% of racegoers arrested) I do agree that something needs to be done. I drank in town with friends after both race meetings at the weekend and didn't see any trouble. It is possible to find pleasant bars/pubs to drink in in and around the city centre you just need to know where to go. I've also witnessed door staff refusing entry to people just because they've been to the races so I don't think the blame lies with the door staff. Whether it be hen/stag parties, all day drinkers on any other weekend or race goers York has a reputation as a "great place to have loads of drinks" because it has countless pubs and bars in close proximity to one another. It's unfair to lay the blame solely on the racecourse, but I do agree that the racecourse could work with the council and police more closely to reduce the number of incidents. I'm also a season ticket holder at YCFC and the club are certainly kept on a much shorter leash by the police. I would like to add, however, that the closing off of certain streets in and around the racecourse is absolute lunacy.[/p][/quote]The 20 arrested doesn't tell the whole story does it. It doesn't include the very significant amount of racegoers who have behaved criminally or anti-socially but have not been arrested. This may for example by due to the fact that no police were present when the offence was taking place, or the police decided to exercise their discretion by not making an arrest. It also doesn't include an even more significant amount of racegoers whose behaviour, whilst not being criminal, still causes a huge amount of distress to residents. Closing certain streets off makes perfect sense. Residents who live near the racecourse have had to put up with some disgraceful behaviour in the past, urinating in alleyways, damaging cars, smashing house windows, indecent exposure, trespass and criminal damage. It seems however that you think protecting residents is "lunacy." chunks
  • Score: 19

3:06pm Mon 28 Jul 14

chunks says...

Dr Brian wrote:
York Race course should be made to pay for extra policing in the City and for damage caused by the hordes of drunken men and women who shout swear threaten and scream their way around town after each race meeting. Perhaps the time has come to say enough is enough and tell the Race authorities either sort your act out or in the interest of safety your licence to hold public events (ie race meetings) will be withdrawn.

Personally I would horde the drunks into a horse box and despatch them back to Geordieland West Yorkshire etc. Do we really need this scum in the city?
That would be a great idea Dr Brian - it's been tried but it didn't work.

When the lease of the racecourse came up for renewal in June 2008 the racecourse was asked to pay for off-site policing, and for off-site toilets. It refused. The racecourse said it was not their responsibility.

The attitude of the racecourse was basically if it happens outside the racecourse it's someone else's problem. So who pays for the off-site toilets etc - we do.

If you're interested in this area there is a report to the executive authored by David Baren.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: York Race course should be made to pay for extra policing in the City and for damage caused by the hordes of drunken men and women who shout swear threaten and scream their way around town after each race meeting. Perhaps the time has come to say enough is enough and tell the Race authorities either sort your act out or in the interest of safety your licence to hold public events (ie race meetings) will be withdrawn. Personally I would horde the drunks into a horse box and despatch them back to Geordieland West Yorkshire etc. Do we really need this scum in the city?[/p][/quote]That would be a great idea Dr Brian - it's been tried but it didn't work. When the lease of the racecourse came up for renewal in June 2008 the racecourse was asked to pay for off-site policing, and for off-site toilets. It refused. The racecourse said it was not their responsibility. The attitude of the racecourse was basically if it happens outside the racecourse it's someone else's problem. So who pays for the off-site toilets etc - we do. If you're interested in this area there is a report to the executive authored by David Baren. chunks
  • Score: 10

3:32pm Mon 28 Jul 14

bolero says...

Dr Brian wrote:
York Race course should be made to pay for extra policing in the City and for damage caused by the hordes of drunken men and women who shout swear threaten and scream their way around town after each race meeting. Perhaps the time has come to say enough is enough and tell the Race authorities either sort your act out or in the interest of safety your licence to hold public events (ie race meetings) will be withdrawn.

Personally I would horde the drunks into a horse box and despatch them back to Geordieland West Yorkshire etc. Do we really need this scum in the city?
Not when there's plenty already.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: York Race course should be made to pay for extra policing in the City and for damage caused by the hordes of drunken men and women who shout swear threaten and scream their way around town after each race meeting. Perhaps the time has come to say enough is enough and tell the Race authorities either sort your act out or in the interest of safety your licence to hold public events (ie race meetings) will be withdrawn. Personally I would horde the drunks into a horse box and despatch them back to Geordieland West Yorkshire etc. Do we really need this scum in the city?[/p][/quote]Not when there's plenty already. bolero
  • Score: 0

5:01pm Mon 28 Jul 14

bishopthorpe_jim says...

You're Fired wrote:
My error, 40,000 in attendance on Saturday. 20 arrests would = 0.05% of racegoers. But obviously all racegoers are the problem....
You're not wrong that it is by far the minority of the racegoers who caused the problem on Saturday night, but I don't think you can use the percentage of potential racegoers arrested as a measure of the impact upon the town. I'd be fairly confident that the people who were abusive towards me, the people I passed drinking in the street, the people I saw urinating in the Nunnery Lane car park, and the people I saw brawling on Bishopthorpe Road weren't arrested because, relatively speaking, their behaviour whilst unpleasant and anti-social probably didn't warrant arrest. However, although they were in the minority, there was sufficient disruption and alcohol-fuelled stupidity and aggression to make me feel on edge during my early evening walk across the city. I wouldn't say that I'm easily intimidated either - I'm young and healthy and could look after myself - the problem is that some of these people were so out of control as a consequence of drink that you just couldn't predict how they might behave.
As you said in your earlier post, the response of the Racecourse hasn't helped. Again, I don't blame the Racecourse for the actions of a minority of their customers, but they do need to take some responsibility, and not attempt to shift blame onto other businesses. As you have said, they need to work with the council and others to address the problem.
There's a long association between racing and drinking which has not always had led to the kind of behaviour seen on Saturday. However it does feel that, particularly over the last decade, the perception of weekend racing has shifted, and it's now often seen as an opportunity for an all day drinking session with a few races thrown in on the side. I'm sure that there is also some aspect of racecourses needing to embrace this shift in perception in order to remain financially viable. It's clearly part of a broader issue with drinking culture, and you shouldn't tar all racegoers with the same brush, but I don't blame anybody in any town or city for feeling aggrieved when it spills out onto the streets in such a concentrated way, and at a time of day when people might reasonably not expect to be confronted waves of drunken idiots. It's a difficult problem to tackle, but I'd love to see the Racecourse acknowledge that there is an issue, and offer to take steps to help address it.
[quote][p][bold]You're Fired[/bold] wrote: My error, 40,000 in attendance on Saturday. 20 arrests would = 0.05% of racegoers. But obviously all racegoers are the problem....[/p][/quote]You're not wrong that it is by far the minority of the racegoers who caused the problem on Saturday night, but I don't think you can use the percentage of potential racegoers arrested as a measure of the impact upon the town. I'd be fairly confident that the people who were abusive towards me, the people I passed drinking in the street, the people I saw urinating in the Nunnery Lane car park, and the people I saw brawling on Bishopthorpe Road weren't arrested because, relatively speaking, their behaviour whilst unpleasant and anti-social probably didn't warrant arrest. However, although they were in the minority, there was sufficient disruption and alcohol-fuelled stupidity and aggression to make me feel on edge during my early evening walk across the city. I wouldn't say that I'm easily intimidated either - I'm young and healthy and could look after myself - the problem is that some of these people were so out of control as a consequence of drink that you just couldn't predict how they might behave. As you said in your earlier post, the response of the Racecourse hasn't helped. Again, I don't blame the Racecourse for the actions of a minority of their customers, but they do need to take some responsibility, and not attempt to shift blame onto other businesses. As you have said, they need to work with the council and others to address the problem. There's a long association between racing and drinking which has not always had led to the kind of behaviour seen on Saturday. However it does feel that, particularly over the last decade, the perception of weekend racing has shifted, and it's now often seen as an opportunity for an all day drinking session with a few races thrown in on the side. I'm sure that there is also some aspect of racecourses needing to embrace this shift in perception in order to remain financially viable. It's clearly part of a broader issue with drinking culture, and you shouldn't tar all racegoers with the same brush, but I don't blame anybody in any town or city for feeling aggrieved when it spills out onto the streets in such a concentrated way, and at a time of day when people might reasonably not expect to be confronted waves of drunken idiots. It's a difficult problem to tackle, but I'd love to see the Racecourse acknowledge that there is an issue, and offer to take steps to help address it. bishopthorpe_jim
  • Score: 14

5:03pm Mon 28 Jul 14

deliveryman says...

I am from the north east, my friends and I travel to this event every year, we have done this for the last 10 years. We always have a great day and night. We sit in on the field side, picnic and a few beers, which we take in ourselves. The race course cannot control that. On the way down I had a feeling there was going to be trouble this year, why? The weather. It was blazing hot. The heat and alcohol is a bad combination. I'm not saying that the heat was solely to blame, but i cannot recall such a bad night as this one. The weather also brought out a lot more people probably more than expected so may be the increase in numbers, increased the incidents. York racecourse do a great job and there was plenty of police on hand both in and around the race course and city. But you always get idiots, not sure you can remove all of them.
I am from the north east, my friends and I travel to this event every year, we have done this for the last 10 years. We always have a great day and night. We sit in on the field side, picnic and a few beers, which we take in ourselves. The race course cannot control that. On the way down I had a feeling there was going to be trouble this year, why? The weather. It was blazing hot. The heat and alcohol is a bad combination. I'm not saying that the heat was solely to blame, but i cannot recall such a bad night as this one. The weather also brought out a lot more people probably more than expected so may be the increase in numbers, increased the incidents. York racecourse do a great job and there was plenty of police on hand both in and around the race course and city. But you always get idiots, not sure you can remove all of them. deliveryman
  • Score: 0

5:56pm Mon 28 Jul 14

york central says...

Good job a football match didn't breakout.
This city has become a joke.
I witnessed a man being stopped from walking to his house on knavesmire cres. As the police unlawfully close roads. But there is no problemwith the races.
20 arrested and volumes of 999 calls with the police admitting they were struggling.
Not a racing issue.
I recall all pubs were shut till 7 on a race day to allow a cooling period.
Do that.
Also do what Scarborough are trialling and breath test on the doors..
Anyone arrested ask where their last drink was and fine the bar £10k per arrest.
That would stop 99% of the usual hand wringing and police excuse for doing nowt.
Football supporters are easy. They turn up about 11 and usually leave by 6.
Easy arrests and easy stripes for those officers desparate to get up the greasy pole.
Good job a football match didn't breakout. This city has become a joke. I witnessed a man being stopped from walking to his house on knavesmire cres. As the police unlawfully close roads. But there is no problemwith the races. 20 arrested and volumes of 999 calls with the police admitting they were struggling. Not a racing issue. I recall all pubs were shut till 7 on a race day to allow a cooling period. Do that. Also do what Scarborough are trialling and breath test on the doors.. Anyone arrested ask where their last drink was and fine the bar £10k per arrest. That would stop 99% of the usual hand wringing and police excuse for doing nowt. Football supporters are easy. They turn up about 11 and usually leave by 6. Easy arrests and easy stripes for those officers desparate to get up the greasy pole. york central
  • Score: 7

6:33pm Mon 28 Jul 14

rodney'sdog says...

Cheap city centre booze!- where? Hardly a pint under £2 average seems to be £2.60 and some extreme prices at £4.50 for a pint of lager. If city centre prices were cheaper less people would buy in bulk to carry to the course. There should be a price ceiling of £2 a pint on course especially as its normally served in **** plastic beakers. Outside of the town centre quality beer and lager is available for £1.80. So its time something was done.
Cheap city centre booze!- where? Hardly a pint under £2 average seems to be £2.60 and some extreme prices at £4.50 for a pint of lager. If city centre prices were cheaper less people would buy in bulk to carry to the course. There should be a price ceiling of £2 a pint on course especially as its normally served in **** plastic beakers. Outside of the town centre quality beer and lager is available for £1.80. So its time something was done. rodney'sdog
  • Score: -7

6:39pm Mon 28 Jul 14

rodney'sdog says...

Surely its better to drink in a controlled environment at an affordable price than encourage people to stock up at supermarkets and drink to excess in the streets. £2 a pint should be the maximum price for on course ale or even less if served in plastic beakers.
Surely its better to drink in a controlled environment at an affordable price than encourage people to stock up at supermarkets and drink to excess in the streets. £2 a pint should be the maximum price for on course ale or even less if served in plastic beakers. rodney'sdog
  • Score: -6

7:18pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Frodo Baggins says...

big boy york wrote:
i can remember back in the 80's all racegoers coaches had to be out of york within an hour of the last race, & alcohol was also restricted in that hour pubs shut there doors off licences as they where back then also shut, could easily be repeated now say last race is 5 30 pm all pubs, shops, restaurants close for the two hours people all ready in these places can leave whenever but nobody can gain entry will never happen though as no council will have the ball to implement this, the solution is really simple take the problem away the problem disappears easy aint it also the racecourse could help say punters have to buy token on entry for drinks & limited to say five tokens at say £20 & no cash taken at bars would curb the bingers n make york more friendly to come to
Good idea but teetotalers could sell their "tokens". You are then just adding another layer of ticket/token touts.
[quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: i can remember back in the 80's all racegoers coaches had to be out of york within an hour of the last race, & alcohol was also restricted in that hour pubs shut there doors off licences as they where back then also shut, could easily be repeated now say last race is 5 30 pm all pubs, shops, restaurants close for the two hours people all ready in these places can leave whenever but nobody can gain entry will never happen though as no council will have the ball to implement this, the solution is really simple take the problem away the problem disappears easy aint it also the racecourse could help say punters have to buy token on entry for drinks & limited to say five tokens at say £20 & no cash taken at bars would curb the bingers n make york more friendly to come to[/p][/quote]Good idea but teetotalers could sell their "tokens". You are then just adding another layer of ticket/token touts. Frodo Baggins
  • Score: 2

8:41pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

There are lots of lovely ideas here but ultimately the response will be the same as it was to people drowning earlier this year "ohh we need a programme of education, people handing out bottles of water etc etc".
In other words nothing will be done until someone is killed, which I don't think is far off.
There are lots of lovely ideas here but ultimately the response will be the same as it was to people drowning earlier this year "ohh we need a programme of education, people handing out bottles of water etc etc". In other words nothing will be done until someone is killed, which I don't think is far off. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 4

9:16pm Mon 28 Jul 14

tew123 says...

I live near the racecourse and for the first time in 24 years was very annoyed at the idiots leaving the racecourse. Normally there is a bit of frivolity but at an acceptable level ( I did decide to live near). Friday night absolutely fine but Saturday what a load of disrespectful noisy drunken gits! Leaving a trail of empty cans, bottles, food wrappers in their wake. Who'd have thought that was the calibre of wet wet wet fans! Maybe the police should start herding them like they do at big football matches. Just really sad as most were the older generation!
I live near the racecourse and for the first time in 24 years was very annoyed at the idiots leaving the racecourse. Normally there is a bit of frivolity but at an acceptable level ( I did decide to live near). Friday night absolutely fine but Saturday what a load of disrespectful noisy drunken gits! Leaving a trail of empty cans, bottles, food wrappers in their wake. Who'd have thought that was the calibre of wet wet wet fans! Maybe the police should start herding them like they do at big football matches. Just really sad as most were the older generation! tew123
  • Score: 13

11:06pm Mon 28 Jul 14

understandingmike says...

I helped a French couple with the parking machine in Nunnery Lane car park around 11am on Saturday before heading into town to do some shopping with my daughter. I went away wondering if they were in York after seeing it on tv in TDF coverage, then thought they won't be impressed with the parking charges. As I turned onto Micklegate I was struck with another thought that never mind the parking costs - who would like York after seeing the state of the streets covered in sick and blood from Friday, and gangs of intimidating men already drunk before lunch time? If the Racecourse don't care enough to change things for the punters, the council don't care enough to change things for the residents, will Visit Yorkshire care enough to put some pressure on rather than let all their hard work go to waste?

p.s. I wouldn't have taken my daughter into town had I remembered it was race day until too late. That says it all.
I helped a French couple with the parking machine in Nunnery Lane car park around 11am on Saturday before heading into town to do some shopping with my daughter. I went away wondering if they were in York after seeing it on tv in TDF coverage, then thought they won't be impressed with the parking charges. As I turned onto Micklegate I was struck with another thought that never mind the parking costs - who would like York after seeing the state of the streets covered in sick and blood from Friday, and gangs of intimidating men already drunk before lunch time? If the Racecourse don't care enough to change things for the punters, the council don't care enough to change things for the residents, will Visit Yorkshire care enough to put some pressure on rather than let all their hard work go to waste? p.s. I wouldn't have taken my daughter into town had I remembered it was race day until too late. That says it all. understandingmike
  • Score: 7

11:38pm Mon 28 Jul 14

You're Fired says...

chunks wrote:
You're Fired wrote:
YorkDrinker wrote:
I'm not a prude or killjoy. I love a drink just as much as the next man and I frequently go to the races, but I know my limit and have never collapsed in the street, vomited publically or been in a brawl.

As a resident of York its disgraceful and sad to see what is happening to the town at a weekend and particularly when the races are on.

The simple answer is to educate people in responsibility, but frankly that is not going to work with the brainless idiots that are the problem.

So the issue needs addressing to protect OUR city. When big 'derby' football matches are played in some cities, the police have the power to close bars. Why not close all bars throughout the city until the first race starts - including the racecourse - rather than let people drink from 9am in the morning...

At the racecourse, maybe when you buy your race day ticket you get 6 'vouchers' and you only get a drink at a bar by handing over a voucher with your cash? Thats a drink between each race - does anyone need more than that? Its a horse racing event?

If you want to go further - how about residents only bars (show driving license or similar), dry trains into/out of York, banning stag/hen parties, fancy dress, over 25 bars for race days.

Maybe then the people causing the problem will be disuaded from coming to york to drink it dry, vomit all over it and fight their way home...
Some great points. I've been a member of the racecourse for 12 years and whilst I object to many of the comments on here labeling ALL racegoers as drunken brawlers (20,000+ attendees on Saturday and 20 arrests. Assuming every arrest was a racegoer that is 0.01% of racegoers arrested) I do agree that something needs to be done. I drank in town with friends after both race meetings at the weekend and didn't see any trouble. It is possible to find pleasant bars/pubs to drink in in and around the city centre you just need to know where to go. I've also witnessed door staff refusing entry to people just because they've been to the races so I don't think the blame lies with the door staff. Whether it be hen/stag parties, all day drinkers on any other weekend or race goers York has a reputation as a "great place to have loads of drinks" because it has countless pubs and bars in close proximity to one another. It's unfair to lay the blame solely on the racecourse, but I do agree that the racecourse could work with the council and police more closely to reduce the number of incidents. I'm also a season ticket holder at YCFC and the club are certainly kept on a much shorter leash by the police. I would like to add, however, that the closing off of certain streets in and around the racecourse is absolute lunacy.
The 20 arrested doesn't tell the whole story does it. It doesn't include the very significant amount of racegoers who have behaved criminally or anti-socially but have not been arrested. This may for example by due to the fact that no police were present when the offence was taking place, or the police decided to exercise their discretion by not making an arrest.

It also doesn't include an even more significant amount of racegoers whose behaviour, whilst not being criminal, still causes a huge amount of distress to residents.

Closing certain streets off makes perfect sense. Residents who live near the racecourse have had to put up with some disgraceful behaviour in the past, urinating in alleyways, damaging cars, smashing house windows, indecent exposure, trespass and criminal damage. It seems however that you think protecting residents is "lunacy."
I wonder how many of those residents who need "protecting" bought their houses near to the racecourse before the racecourse was built?....in 1730. Want a seren location for your house? Don't buy one close to the racecourse.
[quote][p][bold]chunks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You're Fired[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkDrinker[/bold] wrote: I'm not a prude or killjoy. I love a drink just as much as the next man and I frequently go to the races, but I know my limit and have never collapsed in the street, vomited publically or been in a brawl. As a resident of York its disgraceful and sad to see what is happening to the town at a weekend and particularly when the races are on. The simple answer is to educate people in responsibility, but frankly that is not going to work with the brainless idiots that are the problem. So the issue needs addressing to protect OUR city. When big 'derby' football matches are played in some cities, the police have the power to close bars. Why not close all bars throughout the city until the first race starts - including the racecourse - rather than let people drink from 9am in the morning... At the racecourse, maybe when you buy your race day ticket you get 6 'vouchers' and you only get a drink at a bar by handing over a voucher with your cash? Thats a drink between each race - does anyone need more than that? Its a horse racing event? If you want to go further - how about residents only bars (show driving license or similar), dry trains into/out of York, banning stag/hen parties, fancy dress, over 25 bars for race days. Maybe then the people causing the problem will be disuaded from coming to york to drink it dry, vomit all over it and fight their way home...[/p][/quote]Some great points. I've been a member of the racecourse for 12 years and whilst I object to many of the comments on here labeling ALL racegoers as drunken brawlers (20,000+ attendees on Saturday and 20 arrests. Assuming every arrest was a racegoer that is 0.01% of racegoers arrested) I do agree that something needs to be done. I drank in town with friends after both race meetings at the weekend and didn't see any trouble. It is possible to find pleasant bars/pubs to drink in in and around the city centre you just need to know where to go. I've also witnessed door staff refusing entry to people just because they've been to the races so I don't think the blame lies with the door staff. Whether it be hen/stag parties, all day drinkers on any other weekend or race goers York has a reputation as a "great place to have loads of drinks" because it has countless pubs and bars in close proximity to one another. It's unfair to lay the blame solely on the racecourse, but I do agree that the racecourse could work with the council and police more closely to reduce the number of incidents. I'm also a season ticket holder at YCFC and the club are certainly kept on a much shorter leash by the police. I would like to add, however, that the closing off of certain streets in and around the racecourse is absolute lunacy.[/p][/quote]The 20 arrested doesn't tell the whole story does it. It doesn't include the very significant amount of racegoers who have behaved criminally or anti-socially but have not been arrested. This may for example by due to the fact that no police were present when the offence was taking place, or the police decided to exercise their discretion by not making an arrest. It also doesn't include an even more significant amount of racegoers whose behaviour, whilst not being criminal, still causes a huge amount of distress to residents. Closing certain streets off makes perfect sense. Residents who live near the racecourse have had to put up with some disgraceful behaviour in the past, urinating in alleyways, damaging cars, smashing house windows, indecent exposure, trespass and criminal damage. It seems however that you think protecting residents is "lunacy."[/p][/quote]I wonder how many of those residents who need "protecting" bought their houses near to the racecourse before the racecourse was built?....in 1730. Want a seren location for your house? Don't buy one close to the racecourse. You're Fired
  • Score: -10

11:40pm Mon 28 Jul 14

mags1968 says...

Totally agree with the last post I also live near the racecourse and on race days i get sick of drunks urinating in the alleyways ( even before the races start) many of them are sat in the knavesmire pub beer garden but they choose to cross the road to the alleyway rather than walk through the pub to the gents ! Surely putting coded gates on the alleys near the pub should of been a higher priority to others that have already been done in the area. As much as the police tried on the earlier july race meeting ( after a request from myself) a plastic barrier that wasn't wide enough to block the alleyway wasn't good enough.The police only seem concerned with protecting scarcroft hill they cycle passed the knavesmire pub but never seem to stop .
Totally agree with the last post I also live near the racecourse and on race days i get sick of drunks urinating in the alleyways ( even before the races start) many of them are sat in the knavesmire pub beer garden but they choose to cross the road to the alleyway rather than walk through the pub to the gents ! Surely putting coded gates on the alleys near the pub should of been a higher priority to others that have already been done in the area. As much as the police tried on the earlier july race meeting ( after a request from myself) a plastic barrier that wasn't wide enough to block the alleyway wasn't good enough.The police only seem concerned with protecting scarcroft hill they cycle passed the knavesmire pub but never seem to stop . mags1968
  • Score: 14

5:30am Tue 29 Jul 14

sniper 9964 says...

I detest races and race day in York. Its just a bunch of thugs in suites.
nothing will ever get done about it. The whole event causes distribution to our lives. Traffic chaos violence and fear.
but while the coffers enjoy the profits : Money Talks & Bull 5hit walks
I detest races and race day in York. Its just a bunch of thugs in suites. nothing will ever get done about it. The whole event causes distribution to our lives. Traffic chaos violence and fear. but while the coffers enjoy the profits : Money Talks & Bull 5hit walks sniper 9964
  • Score: 3

7:50am Tue 29 Jul 14

Mr Trellis says...

Every drunk arrested should be subjected to investigation by the Inland Revenue.
I work like a dog and i cant afford to go to the races or get drunk after I have paid my taxes
Other than the black economy where does their money come from?
Every drunk arrested should be subjected to investigation by the Inland Revenue. I work like a dog and i cant afford to go to the races or get drunk after I have paid my taxes Other than the black economy where does their money come from? Mr Trellis
  • Score: -3

10:09am Tue 29 Jul 14

eeoodares says...

Mr Trellis wrote:
Every drunk arrested should be subjected to investigation by the Inland Revenue.
I work like a dog and i cant afford to go to the races or get drunk after I have paid my taxes
Other than the black economy where does their money come from?
Grow up.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Trellis[/bold] wrote: Every drunk arrested should be subjected to investigation by the Inland Revenue. I work like a dog and i cant afford to go to the races or get drunk after I have paid my taxes Other than the black economy where does their money come from?[/p][/quote]Grow up. eeoodares
  • Score: 3

10:11am Tue 29 Jul 14

eeoodares says...

sniper 9964 wrote:
I detest races and race day in York. Its just a bunch of thugs in suites.
nothing will ever get done about it. The whole event causes distribution to our lives. Traffic chaos violence and fear.
but while the coffers enjoy the profits : Money Talks & Bull 5hit walks
Have you ever been? were the people arrested men in suits or even 'suites' or were they young lads in jeans and shirts?

Try not to be such a bigot.
[quote][p][bold]sniper 9964[/bold] wrote: I detest races and race day in York. Its just a bunch of thugs in suites. nothing will ever get done about it. The whole event causes distribution to our lives. Traffic chaos violence and fear. but while the coffers enjoy the profits : Money Talks & Bull 5hit walks[/p][/quote]Have you ever been? were the people arrested men in suits or even 'suites' or were they young lads in jeans and shirts? Try not to be such a bigot. eeoodares
  • Score: -6

10:33am Tue 29 Jul 14

bolero says...

sniper 9964 wrote:
I detest races and race day in York. Its just a bunch of thugs in suites.
nothing will ever get done about it. The whole event causes distribution to our lives. Traffic chaos violence and fear.
but while the coffers enjoy the profits : Money Talks & Bull 5hit walks
Now was that a divan suite or a diving suite?
[quote][p][bold]sniper 9964[/bold] wrote: I detest races and race day in York. Its just a bunch of thugs in suites. nothing will ever get done about it. The whole event causes distribution to our lives. Traffic chaos violence and fear. but while the coffers enjoy the profits : Money Talks & Bull 5hit walks[/p][/quote]Now was that a divan suite or a diving suite? bolero
  • Score: -1

1:38pm Tue 29 Jul 14

mags1968 says...

You're Fired wrote:
chunks wrote:
You're Fired wrote:
YorkDrinker wrote:
I'm not a prude or killjoy. I love a drink just as much as the next man and I frequently go to the races, but I know my limit and have never collapsed in the street, vomited publically or been in a brawl.

As a resident of York its disgraceful and sad to see what is happening to the town at a weekend and particularly when the races are on.

The simple answer is to educate people in responsibility, but frankly that is not going to work with the brainless idiots that are the problem.

So the issue needs addressing to protect OUR city. When big 'derby' football matches are played in some cities, the police have the power to close bars. Why not close all bars throughout the city until the first race starts - including the racecourse - rather than let people drink from 9am in the morning...

At the racecourse, maybe when you buy your race day ticket you get 6 'vouchers' and you only get a drink at a bar by handing over a voucher with your cash? Thats a drink between each race - does anyone need more than that? Its a horse racing event?

If you want to go further - how about residents only bars (show driving license or similar), dry trains into/out of York, banning stag/hen parties, fancy dress, over 25 bars for race days.

Maybe then the people causing the problem will be disuaded from coming to york to drink it dry, vomit all over it and fight their way home...
Some great points. I've been a member of the racecourse for 12 years and whilst I object to many of the comments on here labeling ALL racegoers as drunken brawlers (20,000+ attendees on Saturday and 20 arrests. Assuming every arrest was a racegoer that is 0.01% of racegoers arrested) I do agree that something needs to be done. I drank in town with friends after both race meetings at the weekend and didn't see any trouble. It is possible to find pleasant bars/pubs to drink in in and around the city centre you just need to know where to go. I've also witnessed door staff refusing entry to people just because they've been to the races so I don't think the blame lies with the door staff. Whether it be hen/stag parties, all day drinkers on any other weekend or race goers York has a reputation as a "great place to have loads of drinks" because it has countless pubs and bars in close proximity to one another. It's unfair to lay the blame solely on the racecourse, but I do agree that the racecourse could work with the council and police more closely to reduce the number of incidents. I'm also a season ticket holder at YCFC and the club are certainly kept on a much shorter leash by the police. I would like to add, however, that the closing off of certain streets in and around the racecourse is absolute lunacy.
The 20 arrested doesn't tell the whole story does it. It doesn't include the very significant amount of racegoers who have behaved criminally or anti-socially but have not been arrested. This may for example by due to the fact that no police were present when the offence was taking place, or the police decided to exercise their discretion by not making an arrest.

It also doesn't include an even more significant amount of racegoers whose behaviour, whilst not being criminal, still causes a huge amount of distress to residents.

Closing certain streets off makes perfect sense. Residents who live near the racecourse have had to put up with some disgraceful behaviour in the past, urinating in alleyways, damaging cars, smashing house windows, indecent exposure, trespass and criminal damage. It seems however that you think protecting residents is "lunacy."
I wonder how many of those residents who need "protecting" bought their houses near to the racecourse before the racecourse was built?....in 1730. Want a seren location for your house? Don't buy one close to the racecourse.
Just because people chose to live near the racecourse( which i might add is a very nice area to live ) does not mean that they have to put up with the unacceptable sometimes illegal behavior of some racegoers ! A lot of local residents like myself enjoy a day at the races like others from across the city but would others put up with that behavior outside their homes afterwards.There's nothing wrong with taking pride in the area that you live in if more people did maybe there wouldn't be so many problems !
[quote][p][bold]You're Fired[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chunks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You're Fired[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkDrinker[/bold] wrote: I'm not a prude or killjoy. I love a drink just as much as the next man and I frequently go to the races, but I know my limit and have never collapsed in the street, vomited publically or been in a brawl. As a resident of York its disgraceful and sad to see what is happening to the town at a weekend and particularly when the races are on. The simple answer is to educate people in responsibility, but frankly that is not going to work with the brainless idiots that are the problem. So the issue needs addressing to protect OUR city. When big 'derby' football matches are played in some cities, the police have the power to close bars. Why not close all bars throughout the city until the first race starts - including the racecourse - rather than let people drink from 9am in the morning... At the racecourse, maybe when you buy your race day ticket you get 6 'vouchers' and you only get a drink at a bar by handing over a voucher with your cash? Thats a drink between each race - does anyone need more than that? Its a horse racing event? If you want to go further - how about residents only bars (show driving license or similar), dry trains into/out of York, banning stag/hen parties, fancy dress, over 25 bars for race days. Maybe then the people causing the problem will be disuaded from coming to york to drink it dry, vomit all over it and fight their way home...[/p][/quote]Some great points. I've been a member of the racecourse for 12 years and whilst I object to many of the comments on here labeling ALL racegoers as drunken brawlers (20,000+ attendees on Saturday and 20 arrests. Assuming every arrest was a racegoer that is 0.01% of racegoers arrested) I do agree that something needs to be done. I drank in town with friends after both race meetings at the weekend and didn't see any trouble. It is possible to find pleasant bars/pubs to drink in in and around the city centre you just need to know where to go. I've also witnessed door staff refusing entry to people just because they've been to the races so I don't think the blame lies with the door staff. Whether it be hen/stag parties, all day drinkers on any other weekend or race goers York has a reputation as a "great place to have loads of drinks" because it has countless pubs and bars in close proximity to one another. It's unfair to lay the blame solely on the racecourse, but I do agree that the racecourse could work with the council and police more closely to reduce the number of incidents. I'm also a season ticket holder at YCFC and the club are certainly kept on a much shorter leash by the police. I would like to add, however, that the closing off of certain streets in and around the racecourse is absolute lunacy.[/p][/quote]The 20 arrested doesn't tell the whole story does it. It doesn't include the very significant amount of racegoers who have behaved criminally or anti-socially but have not been arrested. This may for example by due to the fact that no police were present when the offence was taking place, or the police decided to exercise their discretion by not making an arrest. It also doesn't include an even more significant amount of racegoers whose behaviour, whilst not being criminal, still causes a huge amount of distress to residents. Closing certain streets off makes perfect sense. Residents who live near the racecourse have had to put up with some disgraceful behaviour in the past, urinating in alleyways, damaging cars, smashing house windows, indecent exposure, trespass and criminal damage. It seems however that you think protecting residents is "lunacy."[/p][/quote]I wonder how many of those residents who need "protecting" bought their houses near to the racecourse before the racecourse was built?....in 1730. Want a seren location for your house? Don't buy one close to the racecourse.[/p][/quote]Just because people chose to live near the racecourse( which i might add is a very nice area to live ) does not mean that they have to put up with the unacceptable sometimes illegal behavior of some racegoers ! A lot of local residents like myself enjoy a day at the races like others from across the city but would others put up with that behavior outside their homes afterwards.There's nothing wrong with taking pride in the area that you live in if more people did maybe there wouldn't be so many problems ! mags1968
  • Score: 8

4:19pm Tue 29 Jul 14

petethefeet says...

If this had been a football event then the "authorities" would have been all over it. As it involves "the sport of kings" then it is allowed to pass with little introspection. Measured by footie penalties, the stadium should be closed for 6 months so the horses compete in front of 'empty stands'. Yeah...that's gonna 'appen. One law for one and....
If this had been a football event then the "authorities" would have been all over it. As it involves "the sport of kings" then it is allowed to pass with little introspection. Measured by footie penalties, the stadium should be closed for 6 months so the horses compete in front of 'empty stands'. Yeah...that's gonna 'appen. One law for one and.... petethefeet
  • Score: 6

6:13pm Tue 29 Jul 14

adaptorperish says...

Jumping to conclusions and presuming I am one of the alcoholics is rash. I was merely stating that closing everything down imposing sanctions solves nothing.

You give everyone nothing to do and things will only get worse because everyone will get bored and hang around on the streets causing even more trouble...

I grew up in Acomb which most of you probably think is a dump and I've never had any trouble. I bet you're the type of people who cower in fear if somebody even looks at you by mistake. Just carry on about your business and smile for once.

My problem is that I adore this city and I don't want it to recede way into a victorian relic.
Jumping to conclusions and presuming I am one of the alcoholics is rash. I was merely stating that closing everything down imposing sanctions solves nothing. You give everyone nothing to do and things will only get worse because everyone will get bored and hang around on the streets causing even more trouble... I grew up in Acomb which most of you probably think is a dump and I've never had any trouble. I bet you're the type of people who cower in fear if somebody even looks at you by mistake. Just carry on about your business and smile for once. My problem is that I adore this city and I don't want it to recede way into a victorian relic. adaptorperish
  • Score: -1

12:20pm Fri 1 Aug 14

lightowler says...

Blythespirit wrote:
York is a cesspit on race days and nights. I regularly see people staggering along Blossom street ON THE WAY to the races, presumably having tanked up on the way there. I try to avoid the city centre during the afternoon of racedays because, even in the street, you are constantly bombarded with very loud groups, all of whom are very drunk, using horrible language and generally being a real nuisance. We shouldn't be subjected to this. Many people are shopping with very young children who are probably frightened by this aggressive obnoxious behaviour. Someone needs to sort this out. Anyone who is obviously drunk and creating a nuisance to the public should be rounded up and either chucked in a drunk tank or put on the next train home.
My Grandson is a guard on these trains and the abuse and threats he gets cannot be repeated so why should he and his co workers have to put up with it so I do not think putting them on a train is the answer he has to suffer these morons most nights one train is even nick named the vomit express ,drink is already banned on the middlesbrough train back from york races so why not all the others.
[quote][p][bold]Blythespirit[/bold] wrote: York is a cesspit on race days and nights. I regularly see people staggering along Blossom street ON THE WAY to the races, presumably having tanked up on the way there. I try to avoid the city centre during the afternoon of racedays because, even in the street, you are constantly bombarded with very loud groups, all of whom are very drunk, using horrible language and generally being a real nuisance. We shouldn't be subjected to this. Many people are shopping with very young children who are probably frightened by this aggressive obnoxious behaviour. Someone needs to sort this out. Anyone who is obviously drunk and creating a nuisance to the public should be rounded up and either chucked in a drunk tank or put on the next train home.[/p][/quote]My Grandson is a guard on these trains and the abuse and threats he gets cannot be repeated so why should he and his co workers have to put up with it so I do not think putting them on a train is the answer he has to suffer these morons most nights one train is even nick named the vomit express ,drink is already banned on the middlesbrough train back from york races so why not all the others. lightowler
  • Score: 1

12:25pm Fri 1 Aug 14

lightowler says...

Blythespirit wrote:
York is a cesspit on race days and nights. I regularly see people staggering along Blossom street ON THE WAY to the races, presumably having tanked up on the way there. I try to avoid the city centre during the afternoon of racedays because, even in the street, you are constantly bombarded with very loud groups, all of whom are very drunk, using horrible language and generally being a real nuisance. We shouldn't be subjected to this. Many people are shopping with very young children who are probably frightened by this aggressive obnoxious behaviour. Someone needs to sort this out. Anyone who is obviously drunk and creating a nuisance to the public should be rounded up and either chucked in a drunk tank or put on the next train home.
My Grandson is a guard on these trains that transport these idiots and the abuse and threats he and co workers get is unrepeatable and not just race days would you like to be sat amongst them on a train I dont think so so why suggest it .
[quote][p][bold]Blythespirit[/bold] wrote: York is a cesspit on race days and nights. I regularly see people staggering along Blossom street ON THE WAY to the races, presumably having tanked up on the way there. I try to avoid the city centre during the afternoon of racedays because, even in the street, you are constantly bombarded with very loud groups, all of whom are very drunk, using horrible language and generally being a real nuisance. We shouldn't be subjected to this. Many people are shopping with very young children who are probably frightened by this aggressive obnoxious behaviour. Someone needs to sort this out. Anyone who is obviously drunk and creating a nuisance to the public should be rounded up and either chucked in a drunk tank or put on the next train home.[/p][/quote]My Grandson is a guard on these trains that transport these idiots and the abuse and threats he and co workers get is unrepeatable and not just race days would you like to be sat amongst them on a train I dont think so so why suggest it . lightowler
  • Score: 1

7:41pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Ambra_Mike says...

A simple approach, allow those we drink sensibly and can behave as is expected in modern society to enjoy the race days.

Name and shame those who can't... May i suggest a few weekends mopping up the sick, urine and picking up litter may bring them into line.
A simple approach, allow those we drink sensibly and can behave as is expected in modern society to enjoy the race days. Name and shame those who can't... May i suggest a few weekends mopping up the sick, urine and picking up litter may bring them into line. Ambra_Mike
  • Score: 3

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