£18,000 bill for University of York's Fairness Conference revealed

From left, Cllr James Alexander, Kate Green MP, Debbie Abrahams MP, Sophie Jowett, Henk Kool, vice mayor of social affairs,employment and economy in the Netherlands, and professor Kate Pickett of York University

From left, Cllr James Alexander, Kate Green MP, Debbie Abrahams MP, Sophie Jowett, Henk Kool, vice mayor of social affairs,employment and economy in the Netherlands, and professor Kate Pickett of York University

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YORK'S 'Fairness Conference' cost more than £18,000 to stage, including £4,000 to produce a website and £4,000 for refreshments and drinks, it has been revealed.

The international conference, staged last month at the University of York, featured speakers including the Archbishop of York, MPs, York council leader James Alexander and his counterparts from local authorities from across the UK and Europe. It aimed to deliver a more caring, more cohesive society and a fairer City of York.

A Freedom of Information request has revealed that the total cost of the event was £18,235, with the Joseph Rowntree Foundation providing a £10,000 grant and City of York Council meeting the rest of the cost.

The bill included £4,000 to local digital company One&Other for the yorkfairness.com website, £2,000 to the same organisation for a conference video, £2,000 to Pilot Theatre for webcasting, £736 for speaker accommodation, £820 for speakers' flights and £4,186 for refreshments and drinks - with leftover food donated to the Peasholme homeless charity.

The council's LibDem group leader Keith Aspden said it was right to ask whether the conference was a good use of taxpayers’ money, adding: "Personally, I think the money might have been better spent on direct initiatives to help people in poverty in York."

Tory leader Chris Steward said that although many of the aims of the Fairness Commission were laudable, it was vital there should be tangible help for people 'rather than the likes of Labour politicians grandstanding with political speeches and all the vast costs that this conference has incurred.'

However, Green leader Andy D'Agorne said that compared with the £80,000 spent on promotional York adverts at Leeds Bradford airport and half a million on repaving Kings Square, it had been a 'relatively modest spend on a worthwhile project tackling the causes of poverty rather than the symptoms.'

A spokesman for he ruling Labour group said: "It is disappointing Liberal Democrats who defend Tories penalising the poor are so keen to attack spending that backs The Press' 'Stamp Out Poverty' campaign."

Labour council leader James Alexander said the wine reception for the international guests was paid for by the University of York and the event and contacts made through it would help inform the future development of financial Inclusion and poverty strategies.

The Joseph Rowntree Foundation said one of the recommendations from the York Fairness Commission had been to hold a Fairness Conference to promote the city’s attempts to reduce poverty and become a fairer place to live. "We felt it important to support this," said a spokesman.

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12:46pm Tue 22 Jul 14

tessah-York says...

The council's LibDem group leader Keith Aspden said it was right to ask whether the conference was a good use of taxpayers’ money, adding: "Personally, I think the money might have been better spent on direct initiatives to help people in poverty in York."

That would have denied JA with his much loved photo ops.
The council's LibDem group leader Keith Aspden said it was right to ask whether the conference was a good use of taxpayers’ money, adding: "Personally, I think the money might have been better spent on direct initiatives to help people in poverty in York." That would have denied JA with his much loved photo ops. tessah-York
  • Score: -24

1:10pm Tue 22 Jul 14

bloodaxe says...

This clinches it: the Press really is the Daily Mail of the provinces. Of course it costs money to set these things up but the bringing together of bodies from across Europe to discuss this issue, arguably the most important single economic issue of the present time, is to York's credit. This sort of article comes from the sort of organisation which sees everything in terms of commodification. Of course the money could have been used for something else but it terms of what it can buy, £18,000 is peanuts. The conference was money well spent. How do I know ? Don't bother giving this a negative rating, I won't be looking in again and it goes with the territory on this site that if you're not a tory headbanging xenophobic petrolhead your opinions are derided.
This clinches it: the Press really is the Daily Mail of the provinces. Of course it costs money to set these things up but the bringing together of bodies from across Europe to discuss this issue, arguably the most important single economic issue of the present time, is to York's credit. This sort of article comes from the sort of organisation which sees everything in terms of commodification. Of course the money could have been used for something else but it terms of what it can buy, £18,000 is peanuts. The conference was money well spent. How do I know ? Don't bother giving this a negative rating, I won't be looking in again and it goes with the territory on this site that if you're not a tory headbanging xenophobic petrolhead your opinions are derided. bloodaxe
  • Score: 64

1:12pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

"Let them eat cake".
"Let them eat cake". Pinza-C55
  • Score: -11

1:26pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

A political talking shop for champagne socialists from the cultural political charitable elite clique seeking to control York.

Not forgetting the nice little earners for some clique members from the cultural/media sectors.
A political talking shop for champagne socialists from the cultural political charitable elite clique seeking to control York. Not forgetting the nice little earners for some clique members from the cultural/media sectors. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -24

1:44pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

I notice on twitter that the York two schools who had pupils at this conference, are holding an event tomorrow that has been organised by the council and JRF about how the cost of living is affecting parents of the school pupils.

Here's the tweet...

Westfield Primary @WfieldPrimary 1d
Wed 23rd tell @CityofYork how cost of living is affecting you. 10am - 2 @York_High lunch & crèche provided pic.twitter.com/Kk3Q
IcQRyx

Personally, I am concerned that these schools are risking being accused of indoctrination, and I feel that political bias should be kept out of schools. Shame on the council, JRF and the school heads for taking this issue into school time!
I notice on twitter that the York two schools who had pupils at this conference, are holding an event tomorrow that has been organised by the council and JRF about how the cost of living is affecting parents of the school pupils. Here's the tweet... Westfield Primary @WfieldPrimary 1d Wed 23rd tell @CityofYork how cost of living is affecting you. 10am - 2 @York_High lunch & crèche provided pic.twitter.com/Kk3Q IcQRyx Personally, I am concerned that these schools are risking being accused of indoctrination, and I feel that political bias should be kept out of schools. Shame on the council, JRF and the school heads for taking this issue into school time! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -39

1:48pm Tue 22 Jul 14

CaroleBaines says...

bloodaxe wrote:
This clinches it: the Press really is the Daily Mail of the provinces. Of course it costs money to set these things up but the bringing together of bodies from across Europe to discuss this issue, arguably the most important single economic issue of the present time, is to York's credit. This sort of article comes from the sort of organisation which sees everything in terms of commodification. Of course the money could have been used for something else but it terms of what it can buy, £18,000 is peanuts. The conference was money well spent. How do I know ? Don't bother giving this a negative rating, I won't be looking in again and it goes with the territory on this site that if you're not a tory headbanging xenophobic petrolhead your opinions are derided.
Absolutely Bloodaxe. Poor journalism - there just isn't a story here other than; 'things cost money'. And from the so called chief reporter, I despair sometimes with York press.
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: This clinches it: the Press really is the Daily Mail of the provinces. Of course it costs money to set these things up but the bringing together of bodies from across Europe to discuss this issue, arguably the most important single economic issue of the present time, is to York's credit. This sort of article comes from the sort of organisation which sees everything in terms of commodification. Of course the money could have been used for something else but it terms of what it can buy, £18,000 is peanuts. The conference was money well spent. How do I know ? Don't bother giving this a negative rating, I won't be looking in again and it goes with the territory on this site that if you're not a tory headbanging xenophobic petrolhead your opinions are derided.[/p][/quote]Absolutely Bloodaxe. Poor journalism - there just isn't a story here other than; 'things cost money'. And from the so called chief reporter, I despair sometimes with York press. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 22

1:52pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Dr Brian says...

It was worth the cost of the event just to see a pic of Alexander in that hideous suit!

I always thought he was a clown, now he has taken to dressing up as one!
It was worth the cost of the event just to see a pic of Alexander in that hideous suit! I always thought he was a clown, now he has taken to dressing up as one! Dr Brian
  • Score: -25

2:25pm Tue 22 Jul 14

notpedallingpaul says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
bloodaxe wrote:
This clinches it: the Press really is the Daily Mail of the provinces. Of course it costs money to set these things up but the bringing together of bodies from across Europe to discuss this issue, arguably the most important single economic issue of the present time, is to York's credit. This sort of article comes from the sort of organisation which sees everything in terms of commodification. Of course the money could have been used for something else but it terms of what it can buy, £18,000 is peanuts. The conference was money well spent. How do I know ? Don't bother giving this a negative rating, I won't be looking in again and it goes with the territory on this site that if you're not a tory headbanging xenophobic petrolhead your opinions are derided.
Absolutely Bloodaxe. Poor journalism - there just isn't a story here other than; 'things cost money'. And from the so called chief reporter, I despair sometimes with York press.
Yes but the accusation - Tory headbanging xenophobic petrolhead - is bit much don't you think Carole, me old luv.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: This clinches it: the Press really is the Daily Mail of the provinces. Of course it costs money to set these things up but the bringing together of bodies from across Europe to discuss this issue, arguably the most important single economic issue of the present time, is to York's credit. This sort of article comes from the sort of organisation which sees everything in terms of commodification. Of course the money could have been used for something else but it terms of what it can buy, £18,000 is peanuts. The conference was money well spent. How do I know ? Don't bother giving this a negative rating, I won't be looking in again and it goes with the territory on this site that if you're not a tory headbanging xenophobic petrolhead your opinions are derided.[/p][/quote]Absolutely Bloodaxe. Poor journalism - there just isn't a story here other than; 'things cost money'. And from the so called chief reporter, I despair sometimes with York press.[/p][/quote]Yes but the accusation - Tory headbanging xenophobic petrolhead - is bit much don't you think Carole, me old luv. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -97

2:52pm Tue 22 Jul 14

eboricana says...

Yet again atrocious amateur journalism or what passes for it in York! Henk Kool you idiots is the Deputy Mayor of Den Haag (The Hague) You NEVER get anything right even when you are given a press release! The role you attribute to him does NOT exist as such.
By the way The J.Rowntree Foundation which subsides the J.Rowntree Housing Trust cannot give us new windows but can give out ten grand £10,000 for this ridiculous conference Seebohm would be turning in his grave SHAME ON THE LOT OF YOU freeloaders!
Yet again atrocious amateur journalism or what passes for it in York! Henk Kool you idiots is the Deputy Mayor of Den Haag (The Hague) You NEVER get anything right even when you are given a press release! The role you attribute to him does NOT exist as such. By the way The J.Rowntree Foundation which subsides the J.Rowntree Housing Trust cannot give us new windows but can give out ten grand £10,000 for this ridiculous conference Seebohm would be turning in his grave SHAME ON THE LOT OF YOU freeloaders! eboricana
  • Score: 19

3:17pm Tue 22 Jul 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Dr Brian wrote:
It was worth the cost of the event just to see a pic of Alexander in that hideous suit! I always thought he was a clown, now he has taken to dressing up as one!
Is that his water pistol in his right hand trouser pocket, or a real gun?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: It was worth the cost of the event just to see a pic of Alexander in that hideous suit! I always thought he was a clown, now he has taken to dressing up as one![/p][/quote]Is that his water pistol in his right hand trouser pocket, or a real gun? notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -94

3:35pm Tue 22 Jul 14

gmsgop says...

I went to this event with great expectations. The peer review of the council was scathing about the 'fairness agenda' and considering that it is a labour administration - I would have expected far more effort by them on fairness.
The event had no supporting papers, no expectations outputs or anything - so I asked the organisers why we were doing this. The answer? ' the fairness commission had it as an output, a conference' so there we have it folks ....
I had a conversation with one of the international participants, who was really disappointed. A number of participants left at lunch, disappointed - of course there was no evaluation - when poked the council sent one days later- we had to print off, fill in and snail mail back.. Excuse me:(

Shame we had a good speaker in the morning - but before more money is 'invested' let's set some proper protocols - don't do events without outputs - don't pay for folks from abroad if they don't get a speaking slot , decent one, with supporting papers. Where is the professionalism and value for money Kersten?
I went to this event with great expectations. The peer review of the council was scathing about the 'fairness agenda' and considering that it is a labour administration - I would have expected far more effort by them on fairness. The event had no supporting papers, no expectations outputs or anything - so I asked the organisers why we were doing this. The answer? ' the fairness commission had it as an output, a conference' so there we have it folks .... I had a conversation with one of the international participants, who was really disappointed. A number of participants left at lunch, disappointed - of course there was no evaluation - when poked the council sent one days later- we had to print off, fill in and snail mail back.. Excuse me:( Shame we had a good speaker in the morning - but before more money is 'invested' let's set some proper protocols - don't do events without outputs - don't pay for folks from abroad if they don't get a speaking slot , decent one, with supporting papers. Where is the professionalism and value for money Kersten? gmsgop
  • Score: -76

4:07pm Tue 22 Jul 14

emen says...

I'd be interested to know how many people actually attended the event.

It just about sums up the hypocrisy of many politicians and "life's not fair" brigade that they can attend a free conference about fairness in society and munch their way through over £4,000 worth of tax payer funded food. Why on earth didn't they charge for people to eat so they could have at least covered the costs?

At least they demonstrated their charitable credentials by donating the food they couldn't trough down to a homeless charity. How very generous of them. I bet those dried-up, prawn mayonnaise sandwiches went down a treat with the poor souls at Peasholme. There's nothing like a few crumbs from the rich man's table to keep you going.
I'd be interested to know how many people actually attended the event. It just about sums up the hypocrisy of many politicians and "life's not fair" brigade that they can attend a free conference about fairness in society and munch their way through over £4,000 worth of tax payer funded food. Why on earth didn't they charge for people to eat so they could have at least covered the costs? At least they demonstrated their charitable credentials by donating the food they couldn't trough down to a homeless charity. How very generous of them. I bet those dried-up, prawn mayonnaise sandwiches went down a treat with the poor souls at Peasholme. There's nothing like a few crumbs from the rich man's table to keep you going. emen
  • Score: -16

5:29pm Tue 22 Jul 14

oldgrumps says...

I have just had a look at the £4000 website. It looks to me as if One&Other saw them coming - I wonder how many quotes the organisers got before giving them the job?
I have just had a look at the £4000 website. It looks to me as if One&Other saw them coming - I wonder how many quotes the organisers got before giving them the job? oldgrumps
  • Score: -17

5:36pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Alf Garnett says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
bloodaxe wrote:
This clinches it: the Press really is the Daily Mail of the provinces. Of course it costs money to set these things up but the bringing together of bodies from across Europe to discuss this issue, arguably the most important single economic issue of the present time, is to York's credit. This sort of article comes from the sort of organisation which sees everything in terms of commodification. Of course the money could have been used for something else but it terms of what it can buy, £18,000 is peanuts. The conference was money well spent. How do I know ? Don't bother giving this a negative rating, I won't be looking in again and it goes with the territory on this site that if you're not a tory headbanging xenophobic petrolhead your opinions are derided.
Absolutely Bloodaxe. Poor journalism - there just isn't a story here other than; 'things cost money'. And from the so called chief reporter, I despair sometimes with York press.
Yes but the accusation - Tory headbanging xenophobic petrolhead - is bit much don't you think Carole, me old luv.
Given the overreaction to anything involving traffic, speed, parking and moaning about jobs never going to York people which often characterise comments on these pages it doesn't seem to be too far off the target. The general tenor of many comments is undoubtedly headbanging tory tinged with xenophobia.
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: This clinches it: the Press really is the Daily Mail of the provinces. Of course it costs money to set these things up but the bringing together of bodies from across Europe to discuss this issue, arguably the most important single economic issue of the present time, is to York's credit. This sort of article comes from the sort of organisation which sees everything in terms of commodification. Of course the money could have been used for something else but it terms of what it can buy, £18,000 is peanuts. The conference was money well spent. How do I know ? Don't bother giving this a negative rating, I won't be looking in again and it goes with the territory on this site that if you're not a tory headbanging xenophobic petrolhead your opinions are derided.[/p][/quote]Absolutely Bloodaxe. Poor journalism - there just isn't a story here other than; 'things cost money'. And from the so called chief reporter, I despair sometimes with York press.[/p][/quote]Yes but the accusation - Tory headbanging xenophobic petrolhead - is bit much don't you think Carole, me old luv.[/p][/quote]Given the overreaction to anything involving traffic, speed, parking and moaning about jobs never going to York people which often characterise comments on these pages it doesn't seem to be too far off the target. The general tenor of many comments is undoubtedly headbanging tory tinged with xenophobia. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 66

5:40pm Tue 22 Jul 14

nearlyman says...

Fairness is a concept that does not really exist. Talking about it makes them all, no doubt, feel better about themselves, but it will not change a thing. If they wanted to get half way to any sort of empathy with those in poverty, they should have met in a cold hall in winter and drank stewed tea. That's where its at, but not cosy enough for the shameless privileged few.
Fairness is a concept that does not really exist. Talking about it makes them all, no doubt, feel better about themselves, but it will not change a thing. If they wanted to get half way to any sort of empathy with those in poverty, they should have met in a cold hall in winter and drank stewed tea. That's where its at, but not cosy enough for the shameless privileged few. nearlyman
  • Score: -16

5:43pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Alf Garnett says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
A political talking shop for champagne socialists from the cultural political charitable elite clique seeking to control York.

Not forgetting the nice little earners for some clique members from the cultural/media sectors.
Funny that it is always champagne socialists. The inference drawn from this must be that the guzzling on the right is normative. At least we'll know where some of our money is going if the blue gang ever take control. Honesty of a sort I suppose.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: A political talking shop for champagne socialists from the cultural political charitable elite clique seeking to control York. Not forgetting the nice little earners for some clique members from the cultural/media sectors.[/p][/quote]Funny that it is always champagne socialists. The inference drawn from this must be that the guzzling on the right is normative. At least we'll know where some of our money is going if the blue gang ever take control. Honesty of a sort I suppose. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 61

5:54pm Tue 22 Jul 14

andyjon12 says...

We really could do with another Rod Hills to lead City of York Council - at least he was in touch with reality and had empathy with the working-classes. Yes, I had met the man and had been to his home - he wasn't perfect but was miles better than this pompous creep in charge now.
We really could do with another Rod Hills to lead City of York Council - at least he was in touch with reality and had empathy with the working-classes. Yes, I had met the man and had been to his home - he wasn't perfect but was miles better than this pompous creep in charge now. andyjon12
  • Score: -16

6:36pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Jack Ham says...

oldgrumps wrote:
I have just had a look at the £4000 website. It looks to me as if One&Other saw them coming - I wonder how many quotes the organisers got before giving them the job?
It might be interesting to see how York Labour, Kersten England, Joseph Rowntree Foundation Chief Exec Julia Unwin, her husband, chair of the local Labour Party, Patrick Kelly and One&Other directors are all connected.....
[quote][p][bold]oldgrumps[/bold] wrote: I have just had a look at the £4000 website. It looks to me as if One&Other saw them coming - I wonder how many quotes the organisers got before giving them the job?[/p][/quote]It might be interesting to see how York Labour, Kersten England, Joseph Rowntree Foundation Chief Exec Julia Unwin, her husband, chair of the local Labour Party, Patrick Kelly and One&Other directors are all connected..... Jack Ham
  • Score: -41

6:38pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Jack Ham says...

bloodaxe wrote:
This clinches it: the Press really is the Daily Mail of the provinces. Of course it costs money to set these things up but the bringing together of bodies from across Europe to discuss this issue, arguably the most important single economic issue of the present time, is to York's credit. This sort of article comes from the sort of organisation which sees everything in terms of commodification. Of course the money could have been used for something else but it terms of what it can buy, £18,000 is peanuts. The conference was money well spent. How do I know ? Don't bother giving this a negative rating, I won't be looking in again and it goes with the territory on this site that if you're not a tory headbanging xenophobic petrolhead your opinions are derided.
And that Cllr Crisp demonstrates precisely why Labour cannot be trusted with our money.

How many peanuts can you spend before there is nothing left?

Last year we had grit bins removed across the city to save less money that that. Was that peanuts too?

Shameful.
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: This clinches it: the Press really is the Daily Mail of the provinces. Of course it costs money to set these things up but the bringing together of bodies from across Europe to discuss this issue, arguably the most important single economic issue of the present time, is to York's credit. This sort of article comes from the sort of organisation which sees everything in terms of commodification. Of course the money could have been used for something else but it terms of what it can buy, £18,000 is peanuts. The conference was money well spent. How do I know ? Don't bother giving this a negative rating, I won't be looking in again and it goes with the territory on this site that if you're not a tory headbanging xenophobic petrolhead your opinions are derided.[/p][/quote]And that Cllr Crisp demonstrates precisely why Labour cannot be trusted with our money. How many peanuts can you spend before there is nothing left? Last year we had grit bins removed across the city to save less money that that. Was that peanuts too? Shameful. Jack Ham
  • Score: -46

6:48pm Tue 22 Jul 14

A.P.Feeders says...

Half a million repaving kings square is this a joke?
Half a million repaving kings square is this a joke? A.P.Feeders
  • Score: -56

6:49pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

Jack Ham wrote:
oldgrumps wrote: I have just had a look at the £4000 website. It looks to me as if One&Other saw them coming - I wonder how many quotes the organisers got before giving them the job?
It might be interesting to see how York Labour, Kersten England, Joseph Rowntree Foundation Chief Exec Julia Unwin, her husband, chair of the local Labour Party, Patrick Kelly and One&Other directors are all connected.....
It's called the York cultural political charitable elitist clique!

You forgot Pilot Theatre, Media City York, York TV Channel plus others - they all follow each other on twitter, so it's not difficult to see all the connected 'club members'!
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oldgrumps[/bold] wrote: I have just had a look at the £4000 website. It looks to me as if One&Other saw them coming - I wonder how many quotes the organisers got before giving them the job?[/p][/quote]It might be interesting to see how York Labour, Kersten England, Joseph Rowntree Foundation Chief Exec Julia Unwin, her husband, chair of the local Labour Party, Patrick Kelly and One&Other directors are all connected.....[/p][/quote]It's called the York cultural political charitable elitist clique! You forgot Pilot Theatre, Media City York, York TV Channel plus others - they all follow each other on twitter, so it's not difficult to see all the connected 'club members'! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -58

7:06pm Tue 22 Jul 14

andyjon12 says...

emen wrote:
I'd be interested to know how many people actually attended the event.

It just about sums up the hypocrisy of many politicians and "life's not fair" brigade that they can attend a free conference about fairness in society and munch their way through over £4,000 worth of tax payer funded food. Why on earth didn't they charge for people to eat so they could have at least covered the costs?

At least they demonstrated their charitable credentials by donating the food they couldn't trough down to a homeless charity. How very generous of them. I bet those dried-up, prawn mayonnaise sandwiches went down a treat with the poor souls at Peasholme. There's nothing like a few crumbs from the rich man's table to keep you going.
Peasholme has long gone my friend - thanks to Labour cuts caused by the Tory government! As for the prawn sandwiches - it must have been really hard for Mr Alexander - he's regularly seen in Cafe Concerto near the Minster - ordering yes, a prawn sandwich to go!
[quote][p][bold]emen[/bold] wrote: I'd be interested to know how many people actually attended the event. It just about sums up the hypocrisy of many politicians and "life's not fair" brigade that they can attend a free conference about fairness in society and munch their way through over £4,000 worth of tax payer funded food. Why on earth didn't they charge for people to eat so they could have at least covered the costs? At least they demonstrated their charitable credentials by donating the food they couldn't trough down to a homeless charity. How very generous of them. I bet those dried-up, prawn mayonnaise sandwiches went down a treat with the poor souls at Peasholme. There's nothing like a few crumbs from the rich man's table to keep you going.[/p][/quote]Peasholme has long gone my friend - thanks to Labour cuts caused by the Tory government! As for the prawn sandwiches - it must have been really hard for Mr Alexander - he's regularly seen in Cafe Concerto near the Minster - ordering yes, a prawn sandwich to go! andyjon12
  • Score: -16

7:13pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Jack Ham says...

andyjon12 wrote:
emen wrote:
I'd be interested to know how many people actually attended the event.

It just about sums up the hypocrisy of many politicians and "life's not fair" brigade that they can attend a free conference about fairness in society and munch their way through over £4,000 worth of tax payer funded food. Why on earth didn't they charge for people to eat so they could have at least covered the costs?

At least they demonstrated their charitable credentials by donating the food they couldn't trough down to a homeless charity. How very generous of them. I bet those dried-up, prawn mayonnaise sandwiches went down a treat with the poor souls at Peasholme. There's nothing like a few crumbs from the rich man's table to keep you going.
Peasholme has long gone my friend - thanks to Labour cuts caused by the Tory government! As for the prawn sandwiches - it must have been really hard for Mr Alexander - he's regularly seen in Cafe Concerto near the Minster - ordering yes, a prawn sandwich to go!
Peasholme Charity are still going strong

http://www.peasholme
charity.org.uk
[quote][p][bold]andyjon12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emen[/bold] wrote: I'd be interested to know how many people actually attended the event. It just about sums up the hypocrisy of many politicians and "life's not fair" brigade that they can attend a free conference about fairness in society and munch their way through over £4,000 worth of tax payer funded food. Why on earth didn't they charge for people to eat so they could have at least covered the costs? At least they demonstrated their charitable credentials by donating the food they couldn't trough down to a homeless charity. How very generous of them. I bet those dried-up, prawn mayonnaise sandwiches went down a treat with the poor souls at Peasholme. There's nothing like a few crumbs from the rich man's table to keep you going.[/p][/quote]Peasholme has long gone my friend - thanks to Labour cuts caused by the Tory government! As for the prawn sandwiches - it must have been really hard for Mr Alexander - he's regularly seen in Cafe Concerto near the Minster - ordering yes, a prawn sandwich to go![/p][/quote]Peasholme Charity are still going strong http://www.peasholme charity.org.uk Jack Ham
  • Score: 27

7:13pm Tue 22 Jul 14

oi oi savaloy says...

What a bunch of hypocrites! you really , really cannot make it up....

I saw J.A. In Harkers one wednesday night with a troupe of labourite socialists, a table full of beer and empty plates, one socialite stood up and said "is this being paid for out of funds?"... the answer was yes... so he then said "well lets order pudding!"

poverty??? labour myth, and they know it!!!
What a bunch of hypocrites! you really , really cannot make it up.... I saw J.A. In Harkers one wednesday night with a troupe of labourite socialists, a table full of beer and empty plates, one socialite stood up and said "is this being paid for out of funds?"... the answer was yes... so he then said "well lets order pudding!" poverty??? labour myth, and they know it!!! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -43

7:38pm Tue 22 Jul 14

andyjon12 says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
What a bunch of hypocrites! you really , really cannot make it up....

I saw J.A. In Harkers one wednesday night with a troupe of labourite socialists, a table full of beer and empty plates, one socialite stood up and said "is this being paid for out of funds?"... the answer was yes... so he then said "well lets order pudding!"

poverty??? labour myth, and they know it!!!
Yes Mr Alexander and his cronies are a bunch of freeloaders just like the local Tories or Liberals would be - given the chance - that's if they weren't so unelectable. Anyway, sounds like it was a good night "observing" them.

As for "poverty being a myth" - why have all the food banks popped up - I suppose you think they are just a myth too. Wake up and smell the coffee my friend.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: What a bunch of hypocrites! you really , really cannot make it up.... I saw J.A. In Harkers one wednesday night with a troupe of labourite socialists, a table full of beer and empty plates, one socialite stood up and said "is this being paid for out of funds?"... the answer was yes... so he then said "well lets order pudding!" poverty??? labour myth, and they know it!!![/p][/quote]Yes Mr Alexander and his cronies are a bunch of freeloaders just like the local Tories or Liberals would be - given the chance - that's if they weren't so unelectable. Anyway, sounds like it was a good night "observing" them. As for "poverty being a myth" - why have all the food banks popped up - I suppose you think they are just a myth too. Wake up and smell the coffee my friend. andyjon12
  • Score: 47

8:04pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Jack Ham says...

andyjon12 wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
What a bunch of hypocrites! you really , really cannot make it up....

I saw J.A. In Harkers one wednesday night with a troupe of labourite socialists, a table full of beer and empty plates, one socialite stood up and said "is this being paid for out of funds?"... the answer was yes... so he then said "well lets order pudding!"

poverty??? labour myth, and they know it!!!
Yes Mr Alexander and his cronies are a bunch of freeloaders just like the local Tories or Liberals would be - given the chance - that's if they weren't so unelectable. Anyway, sounds like it was a good night "observing" them.

As for "poverty being a myth" - why have all the food banks popped up - I suppose you think they are just a myth too. Wake up and smell the coffee my friend.
Food banks serve two purposes. To feed those who are hungry and pursue a political campaign in support of the Labour Party. Don't forget the latter.

Feeding the poor is the root of most charity and has been since time began. Food banks do it well and therefore serve a real need.

They have very ingeniously combined the two objectives; sub consciously linking 'hunger' with the coalition and 'plenty' with Labour.

Very cleverly done.
[quote][p][bold]andyjon12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: What a bunch of hypocrites! you really , really cannot make it up.... I saw J.A. In Harkers one wednesday night with a troupe of labourite socialists, a table full of beer and empty plates, one socialite stood up and said "is this being paid for out of funds?"... the answer was yes... so he then said "well lets order pudding!" poverty??? labour myth, and they know it!!![/p][/quote]Yes Mr Alexander and his cronies are a bunch of freeloaders just like the local Tories or Liberals would be - given the chance - that's if they weren't so unelectable. Anyway, sounds like it was a good night "observing" them. As for "poverty being a myth" - why have all the food banks popped up - I suppose you think they are just a myth too. Wake up and smell the coffee my friend.[/p][/quote]Food banks serve two purposes. To feed those who are hungry and pursue a political campaign in support of the Labour Party. Don't forget the latter. Feeding the poor is the root of most charity and has been since time began. Food banks do it well and therefore serve a real need. They have very ingeniously combined the two objectives; sub consciously linking 'hunger' with the coalition and 'plenty' with Labour. Very cleverly done. Jack Ham
  • Score: -52

8:27pm Tue 22 Jul 14

York2000 says...

Wow, so as part of the Conservative agenda the Press is now pushing, it is willing to compromise it's own Stamp Out Poverty campaign for a cheap headline, and clickbait for you lot to slag off the council.

The Press should launch a Stamp on the Poor drive, which would keep all you right wing comments buffoons much happier.
Wow, so as part of the Conservative agenda the Press is now pushing, it is willing to compromise it's own Stamp Out Poverty campaign for a cheap headline, and clickbait for you lot to slag off the council. The Press should launch a Stamp on the Poor drive, which would keep all you right wing comments buffoons much happier. York2000
  • Score: 63

9:27pm Tue 22 Jul 14

oi oi savaloy says...

andyjon12 wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
What a bunch of hypocrites! you really , really cannot make it up....

I saw J.A. In Harkers one wednesday night with a troupe of labourite socialists, a table full of beer and empty plates, one socialite stood up and said "is this being paid for out of funds?"... the answer was yes... so he then said "well lets order pudding!"

poverty??? labour myth, and they know it!!!
Yes Mr Alexander and his cronies are a bunch of freeloaders just like the local Tories or Liberals would be - given the chance - that's if they weren't so unelectable. Anyway, sounds like it was a good night "observing" them.

As for "poverty being a myth" - why have all the food banks popped up - I suppose you think they are just a myth too. Wake up and smell the coffee my friend.
you tell me why the food banks have appeared?? i don't have a clue, seems to me that if free food is on offer, certain people will take it! i myself had 2 free pints over the weekend courtesy of "all bar one" and "pitcher & piano" ! the poor people on the next table had to settle with a bottle of the £15 bubbly that was on the friday offer!!
nobody in this country is starving, nobody in this country is going without! tell ya what andyjon take your leftwing blinkers off and go take a walk round all the mud huts in York where all the little Biafran children are starving to death! utter nonsense! And if you come back and tell me about all these new pawn shops appearing, just go take a looky in the window and see the iPads/iPhones and other gadgets that all the really, really poor people are pawning for cash! this poverty and austerity that these hypocrites keep spouting on about is a complete myth!!
[quote][p][bold]andyjon12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: What a bunch of hypocrites! you really , really cannot make it up.... I saw J.A. In Harkers one wednesday night with a troupe of labourite socialists, a table full of beer and empty plates, one socialite stood up and said "is this being paid for out of funds?"... the answer was yes... so he then said "well lets order pudding!" poverty??? labour myth, and they know it!!![/p][/quote]Yes Mr Alexander and his cronies are a bunch of freeloaders just like the local Tories or Liberals would be - given the chance - that's if they weren't so unelectable. Anyway, sounds like it was a good night "observing" them. As for "poverty being a myth" - why have all the food banks popped up - I suppose you think they are just a myth too. Wake up and smell the coffee my friend.[/p][/quote]you tell me why the food banks have appeared?? i don't have a clue, seems to me that if free food is on offer, certain people will take it! i myself had 2 free pints over the weekend courtesy of "all bar one" and "pitcher & piano" ! the poor people on the next table had to settle with a bottle of the £15 bubbly that was on the friday offer!! nobody in this country is starving, nobody in this country is going without! tell ya what andyjon take your leftwing blinkers off and go take a walk round all the mud huts in York where all the little Biafran children are starving to death! utter nonsense! And if you come back and tell me about all these new pawn shops appearing, just go take a looky in the window and see the iPads/iPhones and other gadgets that all the really, really poor people are pawning for cash! this poverty and austerity that these hypocrites keep spouting on about is a complete myth!! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -45

11:29pm Tue 22 Jul 14

andyjon12 says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
andyjon12 wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
What a bunch of hypocrites! you really , really cannot make it up....

I saw J.A. In Harkers one wednesday night with a troupe of labourite socialists, a table full of beer and empty plates, one socialite stood up and said "is this being paid for out of funds?"... the answer was yes... so he then said "well lets order pudding!"

poverty??? labour myth, and they know it!!!
Yes Mr Alexander and his cronies are a bunch of freeloaders just like the local Tories or Liberals would be - given the chance - that's if they weren't so unelectable. Anyway, sounds like it was a good night "observing" them.

As for "poverty being a myth" - why have all the food banks popped up - I suppose you think they are just a myth too. Wake up and smell the coffee my friend.
you tell me why the food banks have appeared?? i don't have a clue, seems to me that if free food is on offer, certain people will take it! i myself had 2 free pints over the weekend courtesy of "all bar one" and "pitcher & piano" ! the poor people on the next table had to settle with a bottle of the £15 bubbly that was on the friday offer!!
nobody in this country is starving, nobody in this country is going without! tell ya what andyjon take your leftwing blinkers off and go take a walk round all the mud huts in York where all the little Biafran children are starving to death! utter nonsense! And if you come back and tell me about all these new pawn shops appearing, just go take a looky in the window and see the iPads/iPhones and other gadgets that all the really, really poor people are pawning for cash! this poverty and austerity that these hypocrites keep spouting on about is a complete myth!!
You seem to be missing the point. Poverty in the UK is very real - it most definitely isn't a myth for those who experience poverty daily. For example, the eight million working age people and their children who must rely on weekly state Tax Credit benefit payments - just to enjoy a basic standard of living. This is one example of UK poverty my friend - It's known as relative poverty. These people are struggling and have a lesser standard of living than people who are fortunate enough to have higher incomes - through work, tax breaks or whatever.

Nobody is suggesting there's swathes of malnutritioned kids roaming our streets, although, there are some families - many with children who are living in abject poverty too. For example, people who have been denied state benefits because of DWP bureaucracy or Welfare Reform; these vulnerable people often slip through the social security safety net - with charitable organisations having to step in. This is a truly shameful and embarrassing situation for a RELATIVELY wealthy nation like the UK.

Incidentally, in many other developed societies, for example, Scandinavian countries (similar GDP per capita), they do not let this happen. There societies are far more equal than ours, especially in terms of income - meaning much less people living in relative poverty - resulting in many benefits, including lower crime rates and happier people.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyjon12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: What a bunch of hypocrites! you really , really cannot make it up.... I saw J.A. In Harkers one wednesday night with a troupe of labourite socialists, a table full of beer and empty plates, one socialite stood up and said "is this being paid for out of funds?"... the answer was yes... so he then said "well lets order pudding!" poverty??? labour myth, and they know it!!![/p][/quote]Yes Mr Alexander and his cronies are a bunch of freeloaders just like the local Tories or Liberals would be - given the chance - that's if they weren't so unelectable. Anyway, sounds like it was a good night "observing" them. As for "poverty being a myth" - why have all the food banks popped up - I suppose you think they are just a myth too. Wake up and smell the coffee my friend.[/p][/quote]you tell me why the food banks have appeared?? i don't have a clue, seems to me that if free food is on offer, certain people will take it! i myself had 2 free pints over the weekend courtesy of "all bar one" and "pitcher & piano" ! the poor people on the next table had to settle with a bottle of the £15 bubbly that was on the friday offer!! nobody in this country is starving, nobody in this country is going without! tell ya what andyjon take your leftwing blinkers off and go take a walk round all the mud huts in York where all the little Biafran children are starving to death! utter nonsense! And if you come back and tell me about all these new pawn shops appearing, just go take a looky in the window and see the iPads/iPhones and other gadgets that all the really, really poor people are pawning for cash! this poverty and austerity that these hypocrites keep spouting on about is a complete myth!![/p][/quote]You seem to be missing the point. Poverty in the UK is very real - it most definitely isn't a myth for those who experience poverty daily. For example, the eight million working age people and their children who must rely on weekly state Tax Credit benefit payments - just to enjoy a basic standard of living. This is one example of UK poverty my friend - It's known as relative poverty. These people are struggling and have a lesser standard of living than people who are fortunate enough to have higher incomes - through work, tax breaks or whatever. Nobody is suggesting there's swathes of malnutritioned kids roaming our streets, although, there are some families - many with children who are living in abject poverty too. For example, people who have been denied state benefits because of DWP bureaucracy or Welfare Reform; these vulnerable people often slip through the social security safety net - with charitable organisations having to step in. This is a truly shameful and embarrassing situation for a RELATIVELY wealthy nation like the UK. Incidentally, in many other developed societies, for example, Scandinavian countries (similar GDP per capita), they do not let this happen. There societies are far more equal than ours, especially in terms of income - meaning much less people living in relative poverty - resulting in many benefits, including lower crime rates and happier people. andyjon12
  • Score: 57

7:23am Wed 23 Jul 14

oi oi savaloy says...

andyjon12 wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
andyjon12 wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
What a bunch of hypocrites! you really , really cannot make it up....

I saw J.A. In Harkers one wednesday night with a troupe of labourite socialists, a table full of beer and empty plates, one socialite stood up and said "is this being paid for out of funds?"... the answer was yes... so he then said "well lets order pudding!"

poverty??? labour myth, and they know it!!!
Yes Mr Alexander and his cronies are a bunch of freeloaders just like the local Tories or Liberals would be - given the chance - that's if they weren't so unelectable. Anyway, sounds like it was a good night "observing" them.

As for "poverty being a myth" - why have all the food banks popped up - I suppose you think they are just a myth too. Wake up and smell the coffee my friend.
you tell me why the food banks have appeared?? i don't have a clue, seems to me that if free food is on offer, certain people will take it! i myself had 2 free pints over the weekend courtesy of "all bar one" and "pitcher & piano" ! the poor people on the next table had to settle with a bottle of the £15 bubbly that was on the friday offer!!
nobody in this country is starving, nobody in this country is going without! tell ya what andyjon take your leftwing blinkers off and go take a walk round all the mud huts in York where all the little Biafran children are starving to death! utter nonsense! And if you come back and tell me about all these new pawn shops appearing, just go take a looky in the window and see the iPads/iPhones and other gadgets that all the really, really poor people are pawning for cash! this poverty and austerity that these hypocrites keep spouting on about is a complete myth!!
You seem to be missing the point. Poverty in the UK is very real - it most definitely isn't a myth for those who experience poverty daily. For example, the eight million working age people and their children who must rely on weekly state Tax Credit benefit payments - just to enjoy a basic standard of living. This is one example of UK poverty my friend - It's known as relative poverty. These people are struggling and have a lesser standard of living than people who are fortunate enough to have higher incomes - through work, tax breaks or whatever.

Nobody is suggesting there's swathes of malnutritioned kids roaming our streets, although, there are some families - many with children who are living in abject poverty too. For example, people who have been denied state benefits because of DWP bureaucracy or Welfare Reform; these vulnerable people often slip through the social security safety net - with charitable organisations having to step in. This is a truly shameful and embarrassing situation for a RELATIVELY wealthy nation like the UK.

Incidentally, in many other developed societies, for example, Scandinavian countries (similar GDP per capita), they do not let this happen. There societies are far more equal than ours, especially in terms of income - meaning much less people living in relative poverty - resulting in many benefits, including lower crime rates and happier people.
so you admit there are no malnutritioned kids roaming our streets?
And you say its abject and relative poverty?

So, basically it's just political spin? Created by the left wing socialists?

I am interested in your comments about more equal pay tho, is this like public sector exec's who get in the region of £700 per day? what makes them worth 10 time more per day than someone on the living wage at the council in labour run York? remember that York labour say they pay these obscene wages to attract the best , which is an insult to the cleaner at the bottom, do they pay her/him a derisory wage because she is the worst?
[quote][p][bold]andyjon12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyjon12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: What a bunch of hypocrites! you really , really cannot make it up.... I saw J.A. In Harkers one wednesday night with a troupe of labourite socialists, a table full of beer and empty plates, one socialite stood up and said "is this being paid for out of funds?"... the answer was yes... so he then said "well lets order pudding!" poverty??? labour myth, and they know it!!![/p][/quote]Yes Mr Alexander and his cronies are a bunch of freeloaders just like the local Tories or Liberals would be - given the chance - that's if they weren't so unelectable. Anyway, sounds like it was a good night "observing" them. As for "poverty being a myth" - why have all the food banks popped up - I suppose you think they are just a myth too. Wake up and smell the coffee my friend.[/p][/quote]you tell me why the food banks have appeared?? i don't have a clue, seems to me that if free food is on offer, certain people will take it! i myself had 2 free pints over the weekend courtesy of "all bar one" and "pitcher & piano" ! the poor people on the next table had to settle with a bottle of the £15 bubbly that was on the friday offer!! nobody in this country is starving, nobody in this country is going without! tell ya what andyjon take your leftwing blinkers off and go take a walk round all the mud huts in York where all the little Biafran children are starving to death! utter nonsense! And if you come back and tell me about all these new pawn shops appearing, just go take a looky in the window and see the iPads/iPhones and other gadgets that all the really, really poor people are pawning for cash! this poverty and austerity that these hypocrites keep spouting on about is a complete myth!![/p][/quote]You seem to be missing the point. Poverty in the UK is very real - it most definitely isn't a myth for those who experience poverty daily. For example, the eight million working age people and their children who must rely on weekly state Tax Credit benefit payments - just to enjoy a basic standard of living. This is one example of UK poverty my friend - It's known as relative poverty. These people are struggling and have a lesser standard of living than people who are fortunate enough to have higher incomes - through work, tax breaks or whatever. Nobody is suggesting there's swathes of malnutritioned kids roaming our streets, although, there are some families - many with children who are living in abject poverty too. For example, people who have been denied state benefits because of DWP bureaucracy or Welfare Reform; these vulnerable people often slip through the social security safety net - with charitable organisations having to step in. This is a truly shameful and embarrassing situation for a RELATIVELY wealthy nation like the UK. Incidentally, in many other developed societies, for example, Scandinavian countries (similar GDP per capita), they do not let this happen. There societies are far more equal than ours, especially in terms of income - meaning much less people living in relative poverty - resulting in many benefits, including lower crime rates and happier people.[/p][/quote]so you admit there are no malnutritioned kids roaming our streets? And you say its abject and relative poverty? So, basically it's just political spin? Created by the left wing socialists? I am interested in your comments about more equal pay tho, is this like public sector exec's who get in the region of £700 per day? what makes them worth 10 time more per day than someone on the living wage at the council in labour run York? remember that York labour say they pay these obscene wages to attract the best , which is an insult to the cleaner at the bottom, do they pay her/him a derisory wage because she is the worst? oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -29

8:22am Wed 23 Jul 14

Kevin Turvey says...

‘eboricana says...
J.Rowntree Housing Trust cannot give us new windows but can give out ten grand £10,000 for this ridiculous conference!’

Typical socialist, somebody else expected to ‘give us new windows’!

Why should anybody ‘give’ you windows?

If you think for any reason that the Rowntree Housing Trust is anything but a business in disguise of a charity then you are deluded.

Therefore they will hold out for as long as possible to invest capital into their property to improve it for you as a tenet or others,

Any ‘new windows’ that they ‘give’ you are not for you but themselves.

Wake up to the real world where people have to buy for their homes new windows and support themselves.

You are living in a property where they are making a fortune out of you and you just cannot see it.

Subsidized or low cost housing is a con trick, it costs us all more in the long run through taxation/grants/bene
fits etc.

Although that is an assumption that you actually pay tax and contribute to the running of the nation as opposed to a net drain!



Back to the point of the article:

‘eboricana says...
£10,000 for this ridiculous conference!’

Quite correct, very ridiculous and quite pointless in effect/outcomes, all talk as usual!

However it does keep the certain village idiots distracted away from their desks for a while where they can make even more expensive and pointless decisions that cost us more.


So my question for debate by the forum is:

Does it cost us less sending Jimmy ‘lend me a tenner’ Alexander – expert on poverty to these conferences than having him in the ivory tower let loose whilst the adults are out?
‘eboricana says... J.Rowntree Housing Trust cannot give us new windows but can give out ten grand £10,000 for this ridiculous conference!’ Typical socialist, somebody else expected to ‘give us new windows’! Why should anybody ‘give’ you windows? If you think for any reason that the Rowntree Housing Trust is anything but a business in disguise of a charity then you are deluded. Therefore they will hold out for as long as possible to invest capital into their property to improve it for you as a tenet or others, Any ‘new windows’ that they ‘give’ you are not for you but themselves. Wake up to the real world where people have to buy for their homes new windows and support themselves. You are living in a property where they are making a fortune out of you and you just cannot see it. Subsidized or low cost housing is a con trick, it costs us all more in the long run through taxation/grants/bene fits etc. Although that is an assumption that you actually pay tax and contribute to the running of the nation as opposed to a net drain! Back to the point of the article: ‘eboricana says... £10,000 for this ridiculous conference!’ Quite correct, very ridiculous and quite pointless in effect/outcomes, all talk as usual! However it does keep the certain village idiots distracted away from their desks for a while where they can make even more expensive and pointless decisions that cost us more. So my question for debate by the forum is: Does it cost us less sending Jimmy ‘lend me a tenner’ Alexander – expert on poverty to these conferences than having him in the ivory tower let loose whilst the adults are out? Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -18

8:56am Wed 23 Jul 14

Dazmond says...

I'm a web designer, and they paid 4 ******* grand for www.yorkfairness.com
????

Seriously are you having a laugh???? there's gotta be an error in that surely?

You don't have to know anything about web design to know that they were seriously fleeced on this one!

I guess it's all too easy to spend other peoples money hey.
I'm a web designer, and they paid 4 ******* grand for www.yorkfairness.com ???? Seriously are you having a laugh???? there's gotta be an error in that surely? You don't have to know anything about web design to know that they were seriously fleeced on this one! I guess it's all too easy to spend other peoples money hey. Dazmond
  • Score: -25

9:06am Wed 23 Jul 14

Dazmond says...

Dazmond wrote:
I'm a web designer, and they paid 4 ******* grand for www.yorkfairness.com

????

Seriously are you having a laugh???? there's gotta be an error in that surely?

You don't have to know anything about web design to know that they were seriously fleeced on this one!

I guess it's all too easy to spend other peoples money hey.
Seriously i'm fuming about this, had a quick gander at the site from a technical standpoint, it's based on Wordpress and uses a bloody template that has a £26 purchase value!

Unbelievable!!!
[quote][p][bold]Dazmond[/bold] wrote: I'm a web designer, and they paid 4 ******* grand for www.yorkfairness.com ???? Seriously are you having a laugh???? there's gotta be an error in that surely? You don't have to know anything about web design to know that they were seriously fleeced on this one! I guess it's all too easy to spend other peoples money hey.[/p][/quote]Seriously i'm fuming about this, had a quick gander at the site from a technical standpoint, it's based on Wordpress and uses a bloody template that has a £26 purchase value! Unbelievable!!! Dazmond
  • Score: -16

9:28am Wed 23 Jul 14

Dazmond says...

Ok i'm going to put my 3 penneth in here as i'm still pretty rattled about this.

For those of you that don't know Wordpress is one of the most popular platforms for a website nowadays, it's very simple to setup and deploy, and comes with tons of features out of the box, all completely free.

Everything else such as contact forms, fancy hover menus etc are available via plugins which in most cases (and certainly in this) are also free.

The rest of the fancy stuff is being done by a template, which i've mentioned in my previous comment has a £26 value.

Throw in a domain and hosting, which nowadays equates to peanuts.

So all in all after a very short time spent tweaking, all that's needed on the design front are a few colour changes and content placement. I've looked through the content on the site and there's only 2 days work here, and that's really pushing it at that to be honest.

So why hasn't anyone done any research here, the site could have been sorted for less than a quarter of the budget freeing up the rest of the money that could be used as a donation to food banks or something along those lines.

I suspect as someone has previously mentioned that there's a relationship between these companies, and the money has simply gone out of one end and back in the other.

Given the nature of the event it's an utter disgrace that amounts of money like this can be squandered without a second thought.
Ok i'm going to put my 3 penneth in here as i'm still pretty rattled about this. For those of you that don't know Wordpress is one of the most popular platforms for a website nowadays, it's very simple to setup and deploy, and comes with tons of features out of the box, all completely free. Everything else such as contact forms, fancy hover menus etc are available via plugins which in most cases (and certainly in this) are also free. The rest of the fancy stuff is being done by a template, which i've mentioned in my previous comment has a £26 value. Throw in a domain and hosting, which nowadays equates to peanuts. So all in all after a very short time spent tweaking, all that's needed on the design front are a few colour changes and content placement. I've looked through the content on the site and there's only 2 days work here, and that's really pushing it at that to be honest. So why hasn't anyone done any research here, the site could have been sorted for less than a quarter of the budget freeing up the rest of the money that could be used as a donation to food banks or something along those lines. I suspect as someone has previously mentioned that there's a relationship between these companies, and the money has simply gone out of one end and back in the other. Given the nature of the event it's an utter disgrace that amounts of money like this can be squandered without a second thought. Dazmond
  • Score: -12

10:12am Wed 23 Jul 14

mgoodman says...

Dazmond wrote:
Ok i'm going to put my 3 penneth in here as i'm still pretty rattled about this.

For those of you that don't know Wordpress is one of the most popular platforms for a website nowadays, it's very simple to setup and deploy, and comes with tons of features out of the box, all completely free.

Everything else such as contact forms, fancy hover menus etc are available via plugins which in most cases (and certainly in this) are also free.

The rest of the fancy stuff is being done by a template, which i've mentioned in my previous comment has a £26 value.

Throw in a domain and hosting, which nowadays equates to peanuts.

So all in all after a very short time spent tweaking, all that's needed on the design front are a few colour changes and content placement. I've looked through the content on the site and there's only 2 days work here, and that's really pushing it at that to be honest.

So why hasn't anyone done any research here, the site could have been sorted for less than a quarter of the budget freeing up the rest of the money that could be used as a donation to food banks or something along those lines.

I suspect as someone has previously mentioned that there's a relationship between these companies, and the money has simply gone out of one end and back in the other.

Given the nature of the event it's an utter disgrace that amounts of money like this can be squandered without a second thought.
Just to confirm Dazmond's comments:

i also develop websites, have done since the late 90s...

i agree whole-heartedly with all Dazmond's comments, with some additional thoughts:

a) did they need a website at all? what purpose did it serve? what were the success metrics? [eg number of visitors to the site, number of bookings taken on the site.. all should have been stated at start or project, at least then if no-one visits it everyone knows not to waste £4k next time

b) i'd have said 3 days work, mainly because i think there would be a few hours talking to CoYC people working out what they want, what the purpose of the site is etc.. but it's a very easy, relaxed 3 days work..

c) the quality of the site is well below a professional site, the footer is dreadful ( i'd be ashamed to show that to a client even in a draft form ), noty sure why the tweets arent showing, i dont think a designer has been anywhere near it...

d) £4k for 2-3 days work.. if i got this job i'd have had the rest of the week off...

where do these jobs go out for tender? at £2k i'd have snapped their hand off, and i'd have happily dont it for £1k...
[quote][p][bold]Dazmond[/bold] wrote: Ok i'm going to put my 3 penneth in here as i'm still pretty rattled about this. For those of you that don't know Wordpress is one of the most popular platforms for a website nowadays, it's very simple to setup and deploy, and comes with tons of features out of the box, all completely free. Everything else such as contact forms, fancy hover menus etc are available via plugins which in most cases (and certainly in this) are also free. The rest of the fancy stuff is being done by a template, which i've mentioned in my previous comment has a £26 value. Throw in a domain and hosting, which nowadays equates to peanuts. So all in all after a very short time spent tweaking, all that's needed on the design front are a few colour changes and content placement. I've looked through the content on the site and there's only 2 days work here, and that's really pushing it at that to be honest. So why hasn't anyone done any research here, the site could have been sorted for less than a quarter of the budget freeing up the rest of the money that could be used as a donation to food banks or something along those lines. I suspect as someone has previously mentioned that there's a relationship between these companies, and the money has simply gone out of one end and back in the other. Given the nature of the event it's an utter disgrace that amounts of money like this can be squandered without a second thought.[/p][/quote]Just to confirm Dazmond's comments: i also develop websites, have done since the late 90s... i agree whole-heartedly with all Dazmond's comments, with some additional thoughts: a) did they need a website at all? what purpose did it serve? what were the success metrics? [eg number of visitors to the site, number of bookings taken on the site.. all should have been stated at start or project, at least then if no-one visits it everyone knows not to waste £4k next time b) i'd have said 3 days work, mainly because i think there would be a few hours talking to CoYC people working out what they want, what the purpose of the site is etc.. but it's a very easy, relaxed 3 days work.. c) the quality of the site is well below a professional site, the footer is dreadful ( i'd be ashamed to show that to a client even in a draft form ), noty sure why the tweets arent showing, i dont think a designer has been anywhere near it... d) £4k for 2-3 days work.. if i got this job i'd have had the rest of the week off... where do these jobs go out for tender? at £2k i'd have snapped their hand off, and i'd have happily dont it for £1k... mgoodman
  • Score: -18

10:51am Wed 23 Jul 14

Dave Ruddock says...

I have a few thing on this.
1. Where is the "Peasholme" charity, take it not a building.
2. Why on earth have these deli sandwiches tat cast stupid money for Infant portions.
3 Web Sites surly these can be included in the Councils own website.
4 More monies for getting people in to say the bleeding obvious.
finally hat a waste in overall costs to achieve what exactly.
Enough said
I have a few thing on this. 1. Where is the "Peasholme" charity, take it not a building. 2. Why on earth have these deli sandwiches tat cast stupid money for Infant portions. 3 Web Sites surly these can be included in the Councils own website. 4 More monies for getting people in to say the bleeding obvious. finally hat a waste in overall costs to achieve what exactly. Enough said Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -19

10:57am Wed 23 Jul 14

eboricana says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
‘eboricana says...
J.Rowntree Housing Trust cannot give us new windows but can give out ten grand £10,000 for this ridiculous conference!’

Typical socialist, somebody else expected to ‘give us new windows’!

Why should anybody ‘give’ you windows?

If you think for any reason that the Rowntree Housing Trust is anything but a business in disguise of a charity then you are deluded.

Therefore they will hold out for as long as possible to invest capital into their property to improve it for you as a tenet or others,

Any ‘new windows’ that they ‘give’ you are not for you but themselves.

Wake up to the real world where people have to buy for their homes new windows and support themselves.

You are living in a property where they are making a fortune out of you and you just cannot see it.

Subsidized or low cost housing is a con trick, it costs us all more in the long run through taxation/grants/bene

fits etc.

Although that is an assumption that you actually pay tax and contribute to the running of the nation as opposed to a net drain!



Back to the point of the article:

‘eboricana says...
£10,000 for this ridiculous conference!’

Quite correct, very ridiculous and quite pointless in effect/outcomes, all talk as usual!

However it does keep the certain village idiots distracted away from their desks for a while where they can make even more expensive and pointless decisions that cost us more.


So my question for debate by the forum is:

Does it cost us less sending Jimmy ‘lend me a tenner’ Alexander – expert on poverty to these conferences than having him in the ivory tower let loose whilst the adults are out?
Kevin Turvey DO NOT INSULT ME by calling me a socialist! Perhaps if Julia Unwin and her cronies at the JRowntreee Foundation could give up some of their ginormous salaries (hers is £160,000 plus expenses) then we could have our windows in our single glazed senior citizen bungalows for which we pay rent (and it is 9c in the winter in the kitchen - no heating!) and not be put on the end on the list again! We pay for everything we get at JRowntree Housig Trust.
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: ‘eboricana says... J.Rowntree Housing Trust cannot give us new windows but can give out ten grand £10,000 for this ridiculous conference!’ Typical socialist, somebody else expected to ‘give us new windows’! Why should anybody ‘give’ you windows? If you think for any reason that the Rowntree Housing Trust is anything but a business in disguise of a charity then you are deluded. Therefore they will hold out for as long as possible to invest capital into their property to improve it for you as a tenet or others, Any ‘new windows’ that they ‘give’ you are not for you but themselves. Wake up to the real world where people have to buy for their homes new windows and support themselves. You are living in a property where they are making a fortune out of you and you just cannot see it. Subsidized or low cost housing is a con trick, it costs us all more in the long run through taxation/grants/bene fits etc. Although that is an assumption that you actually pay tax and contribute to the running of the nation as opposed to a net drain! Back to the point of the article: ‘eboricana says... £10,000 for this ridiculous conference!’ Quite correct, very ridiculous and quite pointless in effect/outcomes, all talk as usual! However it does keep the certain village idiots distracted away from their desks for a while where they can make even more expensive and pointless decisions that cost us more. So my question for debate by the forum is: Does it cost us less sending Jimmy ‘lend me a tenner’ Alexander – expert on poverty to these conferences than having him in the ivory tower let loose whilst the adults are out?[/p][/quote]Kevin Turvey DO NOT INSULT ME by calling me a socialist! Perhaps if Julia Unwin and her cronies at the JRowntreee Foundation could give up some of their ginormous salaries (hers is £160,000 plus expenses) then we could have our windows in our single glazed senior citizen bungalows for which we pay rent (and it is 9c in the winter in the kitchen - no heating!) and not be put on the end on the list again! We pay for everything we get at JRowntree Housig Trust. eboricana
  • Score: 9

12:33pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Kevin Turvey says...

‘eboricana says...
Kevin Turvey DO NOT INSULT ME by calling me a socialist! Perhaps if Julia Unwin and her cronies at the JRowntreee Foundation could give up some of their ginormous salaries (hers is £160,000 plus expenses) then we could have our windows in our single glazed senior citizen bungalows for which we pay rent (and it is 9c in the winter in the kitchen - no heating!) and not be put on the end on the list again! We pay for everything we get at JRowntree Housig Trust.’


So you do see that the trust is effectively is a business and is profiting so much that it can choose to spend money on other things it sees fit.

To be fair if her salary was £10000 they would still not ‘give’ you new windows.

You are a customer, so use the free market and get better service for your money somewhere else with another provider or buy a property and have your own destiny in your own hands rather than be in the hands of others!.

‘and not be put on the end on the list again’

List for what?
Council housing.

It is not the answer and it never will be!

Whilst people still believe the propaganda and think that council or other providers housing to rent is cheap they will always have customers.

Rent is cheap short term but very very expensive long term and that brings us nicely back to your problem, you have no power to sort out yourself so are angry and frustrated in that regard.

Others should learn the lesson – be the master of your own destiny!
‘eboricana says... Kevin Turvey DO NOT INSULT ME by calling me a socialist! Perhaps if Julia Unwin and her cronies at the JRowntreee Foundation could give up some of their ginormous salaries (hers is £160,000 plus expenses) then we could have our windows in our single glazed senior citizen bungalows for which we pay rent (and it is 9c in the winter in the kitchen - no heating!) and not be put on the end on the list again! We pay for everything we get at JRowntree Housig Trust.’ So you do see that the trust is effectively is a business and is profiting so much that it can choose to spend money on other things it sees fit. To be fair if her salary was £10000 they would still not ‘give’ you new windows. You are a customer, so use the free market and get better service for your money somewhere else with another provider or buy a property and have your own destiny in your own hands rather than be in the hands of others!. ‘and not be put on the end on the list again’ List for what? Council housing. It is not the answer and it never will be! Whilst people still believe the propaganda and think that council or other providers housing to rent is cheap they will always have customers. Rent is cheap short term but very very expensive long term and that brings us nicely back to your problem, you have no power to sort out yourself so are angry and frustrated in that regard. Others should learn the lesson – be the master of your own destiny! Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -19

2:17pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Eric Olthwaite says...

‘eboricana says...
Perhaps if Julia Unwin and her cronies at the JRowntreee Foundation could give up some of their ginormous salaries (hers is £160,000 plus expenses) then we could have our windows in our single glazed senior citizen bungalows for which we pay rent (and it is 9c in the winter in the kitchen - no heating!) and not be put on the end on the list again! We pay for everything we get at JRowntree Housig Trust.’


Another willing volunteer signing a tenancy agreement under their own free will and in full knowledge of facts and then all of a sudden they are a victim of a business strategy.

Too trusting!

I like to think of it as a Canadian seal pup giving a Canadian fisherman a club and wondering to its surprise why the fisherman batters the pup to death because the pup may eat the fisherman future catch!
‘eboricana says... Perhaps if Julia Unwin and her cronies at the JRowntreee Foundation could give up some of their ginormous salaries (hers is £160,000 plus expenses) then we could have our windows in our single glazed senior citizen bungalows for which we pay rent (and it is 9c in the winter in the kitchen - no heating!) and not be put on the end on the list again! We pay for everything we get at JRowntree Housig Trust.’ Another willing volunteer signing a tenancy agreement under their own free will and in full knowledge of facts and then all of a sudden they are a victim of a business strategy. Too trusting! I like to think of it as a Canadian seal pup giving a Canadian fisherman a club and wondering to its surprise why the fisherman batters the pup to death because the pup may eat the fisherman future catch! Eric Olthwaite
  • Score: -22

2:18pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Eric Olthwaite says...

The picture in the story...
hardly The Usual Suspects is it.

Discuiss
The picture in the story... hardly The Usual Suspects is it. Discuiss Eric Olthwaite
  • Score: -15

3:02pm Wed 23 Jul 14

bagnall1928@yahoo.com says...

what is the combined salary of all this team?????
what is the combined salary of all this team????? bagnall1928@yahoo.com
  • Score: -14

3:28pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Kevin Turvey says...

‘bagnall1928@yahoo
.com says...
what is the combined salary of all this team?????’

Far too much for far too little reward for the public purse!
‘bagnall1928@yahoo .com says... what is the combined salary of all this team?????’ Far too much for far too little reward for the public purse! Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -14

4:37pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

Eric Olthwaite wrote:
The picture in the story...
hardly The Usual Suspects is it.

Discuiss
What, two Labour MP's, a wannabe Labour MP, a political academic, a dutch politician, and a chocolate person who's very friendly with certain council officials, and all followers of the socialist doctrine.....
[quote][p][bold]Eric Olthwaite[/bold] wrote: The picture in the story... hardly The Usual Suspects is it. Discuiss[/p][/quote]What, two Labour MP's, a wannabe Labour MP, a political academic, a dutch politician, and a chocolate person who's very friendly with certain council officials, and all followers of the socialist doctrine..... Badgers Drift
  • Score: -21

4:41pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

mgoodman wrote:
Dazmond wrote:
Ok i'm going to put my 3 penneth in here as i'm still pretty rattled about this.

For those of you that don't know Wordpress is one of the most popular platforms for a website nowadays, it's very simple to setup and deploy, and comes with tons of features out of the box, all completely free.

Everything else such as contact forms, fancy hover menus etc are available via plugins which in most cases (and certainly in this) are also free.

The rest of the fancy stuff is being done by a template, which i've mentioned in my previous comment has a £26 value.

Throw in a domain and hosting, which nowadays equates to peanuts.

So all in all after a very short time spent tweaking, all that's needed on the design front are a few colour changes and content placement. I've looked through the content on the site and there's only 2 days work here, and that's really pushing it at that to be honest.

So why hasn't anyone done any research here, the site could have been sorted for less than a quarter of the budget freeing up the rest of the money that could be used as a donation to food banks or something along those lines.

I suspect as someone has previously mentioned that there's a relationship between these companies, and the money has simply gone out of one end and back in the other.

Given the nature of the event it's an utter disgrace that amounts of money like this can be squandered without a second thought.
Just to confirm Dazmond's comments:

i also develop websites, have done since the late 90s...

i agree whole-heartedly with all Dazmond's comments, with some additional thoughts:

a) did they need a website at all? what purpose did it serve? what were the success metrics?
Is this proof that community interest companies are not all the social innovators think they are?

It's jobs for the boys (and girls) milking public money!
[quote][p][bold]mgoodman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dazmond[/bold] wrote: Ok i'm going to put my 3 penneth in here as i'm still pretty rattled about this. For those of you that don't know Wordpress is one of the most popular platforms for a website nowadays, it's very simple to setup and deploy, and comes with tons of features out of the box, all completely free. Everything else such as contact forms, fancy hover menus etc are available via plugins which in most cases (and certainly in this) are also free. The rest of the fancy stuff is being done by a template, which i've mentioned in my previous comment has a £26 value. Throw in a domain and hosting, which nowadays equates to peanuts. So all in all after a very short time spent tweaking, all that's needed on the design front are a few colour changes and content placement. I've looked through the content on the site and there's only 2 days work here, and that's really pushing it at that to be honest. So why hasn't anyone done any research here, the site could have been sorted for less than a quarter of the budget freeing up the rest of the money that could be used as a donation to food banks or something along those lines. I suspect as someone has previously mentioned that there's a relationship between these companies, and the money has simply gone out of one end and back in the other. Given the nature of the event it's an utter disgrace that amounts of money like this can be squandered without a second thought.[/p][/quote]Just to confirm Dazmond's comments: i also develop websites, have done since the late 90s... i agree whole-heartedly with all Dazmond's comments, with some additional thoughts: a) did they need a website at all? what purpose did it serve? what were the success metrics? [eg number of visitors to the site, number of bookings taken on the site.. all should have been stated at start or project, at least then if no-one visits it everyone knows not to waste £4k next time b) i'd have said 3 days work, mainly because i think there would be a few hours talking to CoYC people working out what they want, what the purpose of the site is etc.. but it's a very easy, relaxed 3 days work.. c) the quality of the site is well below a professional site, the footer is dreadful ( i'd be ashamed to show that to a client even in a draft form ), noty sure why the tweets arent showing, i dont think a designer has been anywhere near it... d) £4k for 2-3 days work.. if i got this job i'd have had the rest of the week off... where do these jobs go out for tender? at £2k i'd have snapped their hand off, and i'd have happily dont it for £1k...[/p][/quote]Is this proof that community interest companies are not all the social innovators think they are? It's jobs for the boys (and girls) milking public money! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -34

8:15pm Wed 23 Jul 14

mike.......durkin says...

that cash will be better of ho out of a job.
that cash will be better of ho out of a job. mike.......durkin
  • Score: -20

10:58pm Wed 23 Jul 14

oi oi savaloy says...

poverty in york?? and the next top story is.....
http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/11361205
.Local_family_buys_m
illion_pound_pad/
poverty in york?? and the next top story is..... http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/11361205 .Local_family_buys_m illion_pound_pad/ oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -21

12:06am Thu 24 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

Dazmond wrote:
I'm a web designer, and they paid 4 ******* grand for www.yorkfairness.com ???? Seriously are you having a laugh???? there's gotta be an error in that surely? You don't have to know anything about web design to know that they were seriously fleeced on this one! I guess it's all too easy to spend other peoples money hey.
Maybe this is the price of positive media coverage in their online magazine?

No wonder the Council are backing the York TV channel, whose MD just happens to be the founder and ex-MD of One&Other, and the man behind Media City York!!!

Media monopolisation in York?
[quote][p][bold]Dazmond[/bold] wrote: I'm a web designer, and they paid 4 ******* grand for www.yorkfairness.com ???? Seriously are you having a laugh???? there's gotta be an error in that surely? You don't have to know anything about web design to know that they were seriously fleeced on this one! I guess it's all too easy to spend other peoples money hey.[/p][/quote]Maybe this is the price of positive media coverage in their online magazine? No wonder the Council are backing the York TV channel, whose MD just happens to be the founder and ex-MD of One&Other, and the man behind Media City York!!! Media monopolisation in York? Badgers Drift
  • Score: -33

10:44am Fri 25 Jul 14

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

gmsgop wrote:
I went to this event with great expectations. The peer review of the council was scathing about the 'fairness agenda' and considering that it is a labour administration - I would have expected far more effort by them on fairness.
The event had no supporting papers, no expectations outputs or anything - so I asked the organisers why we were doing this. The answer? ' the fairness commission had it as an output, a conference' so there we have it folks ....
I had a conversation with one of the international participants, who was really disappointed. A number of participants left at lunch, disappointed - of course there was no evaluation - when poked the council sent one days later- we had to print off, fill in and snail mail back.. Excuse me:(

Shame we had a good speaker in the morning - but before more money is 'invested' let's set some proper protocols - don't do events without outputs - don't pay for folks from abroad if they don't get a speaking slot , decent one, with supporting papers. Where is the professionalism and value for money Kersten?
Eminently sensible letter which unfortunately those who registered negative simply cannot understand,you don't have to be a genius, just have an IQ greater than 50!
Supporting papers, preferably received before a meeting, enable delegates and participants to contribute better. Most CYC Meetings have papers available on line ( internet) , with many are now available on video both during and after the event.This encourages active participatory democracy, which we still need more than ever in the run up to both Council and Parliamentary Elections next year.
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: I went to this event with great expectations. The peer review of the council was scathing about the 'fairness agenda' and considering that it is a labour administration - I would have expected far more effort by them on fairness. The event had no supporting papers, no expectations outputs or anything - so I asked the organisers why we were doing this. The answer? ' the fairness commission had it as an output, a conference' so there we have it folks .... I had a conversation with one of the international participants, who was really disappointed. A number of participants left at lunch, disappointed - of course there was no evaluation - when poked the council sent one days later- we had to print off, fill in and snail mail back.. Excuse me:( Shame we had a good speaker in the morning - but before more money is 'invested' let's set some proper protocols - don't do events without outputs - don't pay for folks from abroad if they don't get a speaking slot , decent one, with supporting papers. Where is the professionalism and value for money Kersten?[/p][/quote]Eminently sensible letter which unfortunately those who registered negative simply cannot understand,you don't have to be a genius, just have an IQ greater than 50! Supporting papers, preferably received before a meeting, enable delegates and participants to contribute better. Most CYC Meetings have papers available on line ( internet) , with many are now available on video both during and after the event.This encourages active participatory democracy, which we still need more than ever in the run up to both Council and Parliamentary Elections next year. Older Sometimes Wiser
  • Score: -19

2:59pm Fri 25 Jul 14

rking1977 says...

eboricana wrote:
Yet again atrocious amateur journalism or what passes for it in York! Henk Kool you idiots is the Deputy Mayor of Den Haag (The Hague) You NEVER get anything right even when you are given a press release! The role you attribute to him does NOT exist as such.
By the way The J.Rowntree Foundation which subsides the J.Rowntree Housing Trust cannot give us new windows but can give out ten grand £10,000 for this ridiculous conference Seebohm would be turning in his grave SHAME ON THE LOT OF YOU freeloaders!
Love the hypocrisy - you're accusing other people of being "freeloaders" after writing the sentence: "The J.Rowntree Foundation which subsides the J.Rowntree Housing Trust cannot give us new windows"...

If I need new windows, I have to save up for months, if not years, through hard work then buy them myself. Maybe you should try it.
[quote][p][bold]eboricana[/bold] wrote: Yet again atrocious amateur journalism or what passes for it in York! Henk Kool you idiots is the Deputy Mayor of Den Haag (The Hague) You NEVER get anything right even when you are given a press release! The role you attribute to him does NOT exist as such. By the way The J.Rowntree Foundation which subsides the J.Rowntree Housing Trust cannot give us new windows but can give out ten grand £10,000 for this ridiculous conference Seebohm would be turning in his grave SHAME ON THE LOT OF YOU freeloaders![/p][/quote]Love the hypocrisy - you're accusing other people of being "freeloaders" after writing the sentence: "The J.Rowntree Foundation which subsides the J.Rowntree Housing Trust cannot give us new windows"... If I need new windows, I have to save up for months, if not years, through hard work then buy them myself. Maybe you should try it. rking1977
  • Score: -18

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