Tourism fears over lap-dance club plans

Tourism fears over lap-dance club plans

Tourism fears over lap-dance club plans

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HOTELIERS have objected to proposals to open a new lap dancing club in York, above an established night club.

Representatives for both the Hampton by Hilton Hotel on Toft Green and Safestay Tourist Hostel on Micklegate have written to the council about fears that allowing a "sexual entertainment venue" to open above Tokyo nightclub will damage the city's tourist trade.

The club's licensing application is due to be decided by City of York Council's Gambling, Licensing and Regulatory Committee on Monday and the council has received eleven objections to the plans, including neighbouring tourism businesses.

The committee will have to consider the objections by Hilton representatives, who say the hotel is already suffering from noise made by people leaving the nightclub. Guests often complain about being disturbed by the nightclub noise, and the hotel has had to refund many who have claimed the noise has ruined their stay in York.

In a letter to the council, the hotel chain's Mark Nogal said: "Our reputation is being hindered by the noise coming from the night club across from the hotel in York, and the impact on out guests.

"We are concerned about a potential change to the licence of the club that could result in even more noise coming from the patrons of the club.

"I ask that you consider the impact this could have on our hotel and the guests that are travelling to York."

The Safestay Hostel on Micklegate backs on to the Tokyo site and its lawyers have also written to the council with concerns over potential noise problems from club patrons.

The hostel accommodates many school groups, and managers who are concerned that a nearby sexual entertainment venue would be inappropriate for the area have registered strong objections to the scheme.

The letter said: "As a tourist hostel which aims to bring both UK and foreign tourists of all ages, including school groups and teenagers, to York my clients feel it is wholly inappropriate to have the aforementioned strip club usage in the immediate area and overlooking the hostel premises."

They are concerned that granting the license would harm the hostel's reputation for providing a safe place for children young people to stay.

The plans have also attracted objections from York Feminist Network concerned that it would operate close to York's only other strip club, and near several sensitive venues like women's refuges, schools, nurseries, community centres.

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7:59am Mon 21 Jul 14

hypnosis says...

When the council allowed the Hampton to be built and Hampton decided to build the Hotel the nightclub was already operating. Did they consider any disturbance in the future or was it another done deal with the council behind closed doors.
When the council allowed the Hampton to be built and Hampton decided to build the Hotel the nightclub was already operating. Did they consider any disturbance in the future or was it another done deal with the council behind closed doors. hypnosis
  • Score: 61

8:30am Mon 21 Jul 14

notmyrealname says...

questions for the Planners
1 Does it benefit York residents in any way
2 Does it help the tourism in York
3 Does it create jobs
4 Is it morally sound
5 Have there been no objections from local businesses
Answer no to all these.... then pass it regardless !! That's what they usually do ....
questions for the Planners 1 Does it benefit York residents in any way 2 Does it help the tourism in York 3 Does it create jobs 4 Is it morally sound 5 Have there been no objections from local businesses Answer no to all these.... then pass it regardless !! That's what they usually do .... notmyrealname
  • Score: 24

9:08am Mon 21 Jul 14

another grump says...

notmyrealname wrote:
questions for the Planners
1 Does it benefit York residents in any way
2 Does it help the tourism in York
3 Does it create jobs
4 Is it morally sound
5 Have there been no objections from local businesses
Answer no to all these.... then pass it regardless !! That's what they usually do ....
1 No it doesn't

2 No it doesn't

3 No it doesn't

4 No it isn't

5 Yes there have.

Its morally degrading to women for the titillation of men. I was titillated but would never go again. I felt embarrassed and sad for the young women that need to resort to this work.
Why not a CASINO. it would be used by more tourists than a lap dance bar. It could provide as many, if not more, jobs than a lap dance club. It would be policed as well as, if not better, than a lap dance club. It would be a year round facility for tourists and locals who have to travel away from the city. Keep them in the City.
[quote][p][bold]notmyrealname[/bold] wrote: questions for the Planners 1 Does it benefit York residents in any way 2 Does it help the tourism in York 3 Does it create jobs 4 Is it morally sound 5 Have there been no objections from local businesses Answer no to all these.... then pass it regardless !! That's what they usually do ....[/p][/quote]1 No it doesn't 2 No it doesn't 3 No it doesn't 4 No it isn't 5 Yes there have. Its morally degrading to women for the titillation of men. I was titillated but would never go again. I felt embarrassed and sad for the young women that need to resort to this work. Why not a CASINO. it would be used by more tourists than a lap dance bar. It could provide as many, if not more, jobs than a lap dance club. It would be policed as well as, if not better, than a lap dance club. It would be a year round facility for tourists and locals who have to travel away from the city. Keep them in the City. another grump
  • Score: 0

9:28am Mon 21 Jul 14

TheTruthHurts says...

another grump wrote:
notmyrealname wrote:
questions for the Planners
1 Does it benefit York residents in any way
2 Does it help the tourism in York
3 Does it create jobs
4 Is it morally sound
5 Have there been no objections from local businesses
Answer no to all these.... then pass it regardless !! That's what they usually do ....
1 No it doesn't

2 No it doesn't

3 No it doesn't

4 No it isn't

5 Yes there have.

Its morally degrading to women for the titillation of men. I was titillated but would never go again. I felt embarrassed and sad for the young women that need to resort to this work.
Why not a CASINO. it would be used by more tourists than a lap dance bar. It could provide as many, if not more, jobs than a lap dance club. It would be policed as well as, if not better, than a lap dance club. It would be a year round facility for tourists and locals who have to travel away from the city. Keep them in the City.
A casino and lap dancing club would be good imo
[quote][p][bold]another grump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notmyrealname[/bold] wrote: questions for the Planners 1 Does it benefit York residents in any way 2 Does it help the tourism in York 3 Does it create jobs 4 Is it morally sound 5 Have there been no objections from local businesses Answer no to all these.... then pass it regardless !! That's what they usually do ....[/p][/quote]1 No it doesn't 2 No it doesn't 3 No it doesn't 4 No it isn't 5 Yes there have. Its morally degrading to women for the titillation of men. I was titillated but would never go again. I felt embarrassed and sad for the young women that need to resort to this work. Why not a CASINO. it would be used by more tourists than a lap dance bar. It could provide as many, if not more, jobs than a lap dance club. It would be policed as well as, if not better, than a lap dance club. It would be a year round facility for tourists and locals who have to travel away from the city. Keep them in the City.[/p][/quote]A casino and lap dancing club would be good imo TheTruthHurts
  • Score: 8

9:34am Mon 21 Jul 14

CHISSY1 says...

Casino,no.There are countless thousands in debt already.Why are we forever bombarded with adverts for bingo,online gambling and the like.All it is doing is getting people more into debt.
Casino,no.There are countless thousands in debt already.Why are we forever bombarded with adverts for bingo,online gambling and the like.All it is doing is getting people more into debt. CHISSY1
  • Score: 4

9:34am Mon 21 Jul 14

rothko says...

It puts me off going to Fibbers now it has relocated there if it is going to be in the same building as a lap dancing club.
It puts me off going to Fibbers now it has relocated there if it is going to be in the same building as a lap dancing club. rothko
  • Score: 4

9:38am Mon 21 Jul 14

eeoodares says...

another grump wrote:
notmyrealname wrote:
questions for the Planners
1 Does it benefit York residents in any way
2 Does it help the tourism in York
3 Does it create jobs
4 Is it morally sound
5 Have there been no objections from local businesses
Answer no to all these.... then pass it regardless !! That's what they usually do ....
1 No it doesn't

2 No it doesn't

3 No it doesn't

4 No it isn't

5 Yes there have.

Its morally degrading to women for the titillation of men. I was titillated but would never go again. I felt embarrassed and sad for the young women that need to resort to this work.
Why not a CASINO. it would be used by more tourists than a lap dance bar. It could provide as many, if not more, jobs than a lap dance club. It would be policed as well as, if not better, than a lap dance club. It would be a year round facility for tourists and locals who have to travel away from the city. Keep them in the City.
Wether it is morally degrading for a woman to do that job is a question answerable only by that woman. I suppose some love it and some hate it.
Personally I would be very happy if there were none of these establishments in York.
Interesting you mention a Casino would be preferable, is that because these places would have no social impact on the residents of our City?

I do not think that York has a licence for a Casino.
[quote][p][bold]another grump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notmyrealname[/bold] wrote: questions for the Planners 1 Does it benefit York residents in any way 2 Does it help the tourism in York 3 Does it create jobs 4 Is it morally sound 5 Have there been no objections from local businesses Answer no to all these.... then pass it regardless !! That's what they usually do ....[/p][/quote]1 No it doesn't 2 No it doesn't 3 No it doesn't 4 No it isn't 5 Yes there have. Its morally degrading to women for the titillation of men. I was titillated but would never go again. I felt embarrassed and sad for the young women that need to resort to this work. Why not a CASINO. it would be used by more tourists than a lap dance bar. It could provide as many, if not more, jobs than a lap dance club. It would be policed as well as, if not better, than a lap dance club. It would be a year round facility for tourists and locals who have to travel away from the city. Keep them in the City.[/p][/quote]Wether it is morally degrading for a woman to do that job is a question answerable only by that woman. I suppose some love it and some hate it. Personally I would be very happy if there were none of these establishments in York. Interesting you mention a Casino would be preferable, is that because these places would have no social impact on the residents of our City? I do not think that York has a licence for a Casino. eeoodares
  • Score: 8

9:48am Mon 21 Jul 14

meme says...

I don't frequent lap dancing bars but don't see they do any harm as to the Hilton complaining about the nightclub and noise...They decided to build there and the nightclub was there first! so why complain
I went on a stag night to the one on Micklegate and there were as many women customers ion hen nights as men! Not sure why but it was okay and not really sexual... more a bit of a laugh so not sure why all the fuss
I don't frequent lap dancing bars but don't see they do any harm as to the Hilton complaining about the nightclub and noise...They decided to build there and the nightclub was there first! so why complain I went on a stag night to the one on Micklegate and there were as many women customers ion hen nights as men! Not sure why but it was okay and not really sexual... more a bit of a laugh so not sure why all the fuss meme
  • Score: 12

10:08am Mon 21 Jul 14

Justin7 says...

OMG Think of the tourists. Nevermind what York Citizens think. Think of the tourists.

And no I don't particularly want this, but the headline says it all. Second class citizens in our own city.
OMG Think of the tourists. Nevermind what York Citizens think. Think of the tourists. And no I don't particularly want this, but the headline says it all. Second class citizens in our own city. Justin7
  • Score: 13

10:30am Mon 21 Jul 14

eeoodares says...

Justin7 wrote:
OMG Think of the tourists. Nevermind what York Citizens think. Think of the tourists.

And no I don't particularly want this, but the headline says it all. Second class citizens in our own city.
Calm down dear, the article is referring to to accommodation providers in the City complaining about something they fear may damage their business. How often do you stay in a Hostel or Hotel in York?
[quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: OMG Think of the tourists. Nevermind what York Citizens think. Think of the tourists. And no I don't particularly want this, but the headline says it all. Second class citizens in our own city.[/p][/quote]Calm down dear, the article is referring to to accommodation providers in the City complaining about something they fear may damage their business. How often do you stay in a Hostel or Hotel in York? eeoodares
  • Score: -3

10:35am Mon 21 Jul 14

courier46 says...

Why not ,this council are trying to turn York into Leeds (which I do not want) and there`s strip joints there .Cant see there been anymore noise and as for the girls I`m sure there well looked after and do quite nicely out of it. Were not in down town Thailand .
Why not ,this council are trying to turn York into Leeds (which I do not want) and there`s strip joints there .Cant see there been anymore noise and as for the girls I`m sure there well looked after and do quite nicely out of it. Were not in down town Thailand . courier46
  • Score: -1

11:33am Mon 21 Jul 14

york_chap says...

"The committee will have to consider the objections by Hilton representatives, who say the hotel is already suffering from noise made by people leaving the nightclub. Guests often complain about being disturbed by the nightclub noise, and the hotel has had to refund many who have claimed the noise has ruined their stay in York".

Well duh; that's what happens when you build a hotel right opposite an established nightclub. Wonder how the residents of the new flats in Roman House will enjoy their location? I think 'vibrant nightlife' is how the estate agents describe it.

This will be an interesting dilemma for CoYC - on the one hand this new club furthers its overall aim of turning York into a theme park for tourists/stag and hen parties, but on the other, it's being opposed by some of the tourist-related companies that have already moved in. Who will win.....?
"The committee will have to consider the objections by Hilton representatives, who say the hotel is already suffering from noise made by people leaving the nightclub. Guests often complain about being disturbed by the nightclub noise, and the hotel has had to refund many who have claimed the noise has ruined their stay in York". Well duh; that's what happens when you build a hotel right opposite an established nightclub. Wonder how the residents of the new flats in Roman House will enjoy their location? I think 'vibrant nightlife' is how the estate agents describe it. This will be an interesting dilemma for CoYC - on the one hand this new club furthers its overall aim of turning York into a theme park for tourists/stag and hen parties, but on the other, it's being opposed by some of the tourist-related companies that have already moved in. Who will win.....? york_chap
  • Score: 7

11:35am Mon 21 Jul 14

Loollah says...

I really don't think the hotel have much of a right to complain about the noise. There has been a nightclub on that site for many years! The hotel is new! Perhaps the Hilton planners should have done their research before they decided to build a hotel right next a long established club and maybe done a little more toward blocking out the noise or perhaps warning their customers!

As for the lapdancing club. As a woman, I have no real objections to it. It wouldn't stop me from going to what will be the new Fibbers venue. It's a woman's right to choose whether she works there or not. No-one forces them into it and it's for them to decide whether it's degrading or not!
I really don't think the hotel have much of a right to complain about the noise. There has been a nightclub on that site for many years! The hotel is new! Perhaps the Hilton planners should have done their research before they decided to build a hotel right next a long established club and maybe done a little more toward blocking out the noise or perhaps warning their customers! As for the lapdancing club. As a woman, I have no real objections to it. It wouldn't stop me from going to what will be the new Fibbers venue. It's a woman's right to choose whether she works there or not. No-one forces them into it and it's for them to decide whether it's degrading or not! Loollah
  • Score: 15

12:45pm Mon 21 Jul 14

PKH says...

I would have thought all the stag and hen parties would have more effect on tourism than a lap dancing club.
I would have thought all the stag and hen parties would have more effect on tourism than a lap dancing club. PKH
  • Score: 13

1:03pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

It's ironic that the Hampton caters to hen parties and stag dos which form a large part of so called "tourism" in York on a weekend.
It's ironic that the Hampton caters to hen parties and stag dos which form a large part of so called "tourism" in York on a weekend. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 17

4:38pm Mon 21 Jul 14

holden79 says...

I think in order for the Press to put this article in context they should accompany it with a feature on one of the girly dancers - find out how they feel about their chosen profession and get the other side of the story from someone on the coal face of this industry.

I think a full centre page spread with lots of photos is needed, maybe even with some links to video clips.... maybe she could take us the readers through her wardrobe and showcase some of her best outfits and it could become a regular feature?

Until then I'm a bit luke warm about the whole issue if I'm honest - because it clearly isn't being taken seriously.
I think in order for the Press to put this article in context they should accompany it with a feature on one of the girly dancers - find out how they feel about their chosen profession and get the other side of the story from someone on the coal face of this industry. I think a full centre page spread with lots of photos is needed, maybe even with some links to video clips.... maybe she could take us the readers through her wardrobe and showcase some of her best outfits and it could become a regular feature? Until then I'm a bit luke warm about the whole issue if I'm honest - because it clearly isn't being taken seriously. holden79
  • Score: 6

6:52pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Well if the longstanding, venerable, Old-Ebor elders and veterans like Hampton by Hilton say they want something, then by dint of their seniority and long earned respect as long-time city fathers they should jolly well get it.
Well if the longstanding, venerable, Old-Ebor elders and veterans like Hampton by Hilton say they want something, then by dint of their seniority and long earned respect as long-time city fathers they should jolly well get it. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 1

8:35pm Mon 21 Jul 14

binsysmith says...

This comes as absolutely brilliant news. What I'd like to see is a situation where you can actually have sex with these women for around £40-£50 depending on how fit they are. Bring the underworld into the real world and get these ladies earning some proper hard earned money.
This comes as absolutely brilliant news. What I'd like to see is a situation where you can actually have sex with these women for around £40-£50 depending on how fit they are. Bring the underworld into the real world and get these ladies earning some proper hard earned money. binsysmith
  • Score: 4

8:52pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

binsysmith wrote:
This comes as absolutely brilliant news. What I'd like to see is a situation where you can actually have sex with these women for around £40-£50 depending on how fit they are. Bring the underworld into the real world and get these ladies earning some proper hard earned money.
Well the EU counts prostitution as part of the GDP now so maybe it's not a bad idea. It will improve our image in the world.

http://www.businessw
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[quote][p][bold]binsysmith[/bold] wrote: This comes as absolutely brilliant news. What I'd like to see is a situation where you can actually have sex with these women for around £40-£50 depending on how fit they are. Bring the underworld into the real world and get these ladies earning some proper hard earned money.[/p][/quote]Well the EU counts prostitution as part of the GDP now so maybe it's not a bad idea. It will improve our image in the world. http://www.businessw eek.com/articles/201 4-05-23/italy-mocks- europes-rules-by-cou nting-drugs-and-pros titution-in-gdp Pinza-C55
  • Score: 2

9:55pm Mon 21 Jul 14

TonyN1965 says...

Well anyone check what position these two persons writing in on behalf of the Hilton hold? And if this is in fact endorsed by head office or in fact a couple of people operating in conjunction with York feminist network are misrepresenting the Hilton.

The clubs around the UK make less noise and have less issues than a standard nightclub. And just what children are up when the club would be busy (one of the complaints raised by both hilton employees. But don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
Well anyone check what position these two persons writing in on behalf of the Hilton hold? And if this is in fact endorsed by head office or in fact a couple of people operating in conjunction with York feminist network are misrepresenting the Hilton. The clubs around the UK make less noise and have less issues than a standard nightclub. And just what children are up when the club would be busy (one of the complaints raised by both hilton employees. But don't let facts get in the way of a good story. TonyN1965
  • Score: 0

11:24pm Mon 21 Jul 14

George Smiley says...

In most cities around the world strip clubs are tucked away and out of mind to everyday folk and I see the proposed location here being no different. If you are offended by someone gaining pleasure or making a living from harmless fun behind closed doors then I suggest you pack up and move to a previous century. It's 2014, get a life you sad people or better still get a stripper, you might actually enjoy it.
In most cities around the world strip clubs are tucked away and out of mind to everyday folk and I see the proposed location here being no different. If you are offended by someone gaining pleasure or making a living from harmless fun behind closed doors then I suggest you pack up and move to a previous century. It's 2014, get a life you sad people or better still get a stripper, you might actually enjoy it. George Smiley
  • Score: 2

1:28am Tue 22 Jul 14

Dave Ruddock says...

it does seem the new comers dictate to the old establishment . Its indoors, I doubt any louder than all the drinking establishments in the area. No one is forcing anyone. Mickelgate.G Hundson st, area has been renown as the Club area for years. Ohh and a night club almost opposite..
it does seem the new comers dictate to the old establishment . Its indoors, I doubt any louder than all the drinking establishments in the area. No one is forcing anyone. Mickelgate.G Hundson st, area has been renown as the Club area for years. Ohh and a night club almost opposite.. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 1

8:06am Tue 22 Jul 14

heworth.28 says...

As the Press has completely missed, what was Tokyo is now the new home of Fibbers, will this affect the application in any way? Will Fibbers still be allowed to admit 14 year olds for some gigs as part of their license or would the presence of a lap dancing club upstairs affect this?
As the Press has completely missed, what was Tokyo is now the new home of Fibbers, will this affect the application in any way? Will Fibbers still be allowed to admit 14 year olds for some gigs as part of their license or would the presence of a lap dancing club upstairs affect this? heworth.28
  • Score: 0

8:13am Tue 22 Jul 14

holden79 says...

The real question here is will it encourage people out of their cars by providing safe & secure cycle parking at the establishment? And if so, will it be lit by solar power? It's time for CoYC to get tough on randy motorists.
The real question here is will it encourage people out of their cars by providing safe & secure cycle parking at the establishment? And if so, will it be lit by solar power? It's time for CoYC to get tough on randy motorists. holden79
  • Score: 0

9:54am Tue 22 Jul 14

Loollah says...

heworth.28 wrote:
As the Press has completely missed, what was Tokyo is now the new home of Fibbers, will this affect the application in any way? Will Fibbers still be allowed to admit 14 year olds for some gigs as part of their license or would the presence of a lap dancing club upstairs affect this?
With a seperate entrance for the strip club and no access from inside Fibbers, I wouldn't imagine it would be an issue really.
[quote][p][bold]heworth.28[/bold] wrote: As the Press has completely missed, what was Tokyo is now the new home of Fibbers, will this affect the application in any way? Will Fibbers still be allowed to admit 14 year olds for some gigs as part of their license or would the presence of a lap dancing club upstairs affect this?[/p][/quote]With a seperate entrance for the strip club and no access from inside Fibbers, I wouldn't imagine it would be an issue really. Loollah
  • Score: 0

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