UPDATED: Alexander and Merrett resignation calls fail at council meeting

York Press: James Alexander James Alexander

Council leader James Alexander and cabinet member Dave Merrett have survived calls for their resignation over the Lendal Bridge trial.

The pair faced a vote in a full meeting of the City of York council this evening, with opposing councillors demanding a formal apology for the debacle, as well as full refunds for all those fined.

There was applause from the public gallery when Liberal Democrat leader Keith Aspden said the city would not be able move on from the trial until the two councillors apologised and resigned.

But the Labour majority voted down the motion proposed by Lib Dem members, and the current cabinet member for transport David Levene said the trial had never been about making money but was about tackling long running congestion problems in York.

The meeting also saw a row erupt over money made from the Tour de France, when Cllr Alexander accused Lib Dem councillor for Heworth Without, Nigel Ayre, of damaging the council’s income by running a campaign against Tour de France camping in the city.

He said the company due to run camp sites for the council had pulled out after the furore over Monk Stray.

Cllr Ayre objected, saying he only raised concerns about camping on Monk Stray, not across the city.

But the councillors were more united when it came to a vote on extra support for young carers. A motion calling for schools to get pupil premium extra finding for young carers was passed, while another about the way benefit changes are harming vulnerable people in the city was voted through by both the Labour and Liberal Democrat groups.

Earlier in the meeting Barrie Stephenson from York housing charity Restore told councillors of the struggles his organisations has faced since ten of their 26 tenants faced benefit cuts.

Council chief executive Kersten England will now write to the DWP expressing the council’s concern over the roll out of Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payments, and delays in processing Employment and Support Allowance claims.

At the same meeting, the council was received a petition, signed by more than 1000 people against fracking in York.

The 1400 signatures included 200 collected during the Tour de France celebrations, was presented after pleas by campaigners who urged the council do all they can to stop fracking coming to York.

Representatives of campaign group Frack Free York and Friends of the Earth spoke of their fears and urged action from the council. York and Ryedale's Friends of the Earth group's Richard Lane said: "The rights to explore in the area have already been sold, so you may say there's nothing we can do but that is not good enough."

Councils in Preston and across the country have already declared themselves "frack free", he added, and York council would be following a well trodden path in taking a stand.

"If you think York is worth protecting, you will not be alone. Please add your voices to this fight against the last gasp of the fossil fuel industry."

Retired engineer Chris Rainger also spoke to the council of his fears about the fracking process.

He said that like nuclear power, the fracking process is not fully understood, and unlike the USA the UK does not have the space to allow land to be damaged by fracking.

Councillors also spoke in the debate, and Cllr Alexander talked of the restraints national planning law puts on the council's ability to make a meaningful stand against shake has extraction.

But others, like Cllr Joe Watt cabinet member Cllr Dafydd Williams, sounded a note of caution against the anti fracking voices. Cllr Watt said he believed scientific evidence, rather than fear and scaremongering , should be used in assessing the practice. He added that this country will keep using fossil fuels for a number of years, and measures which reduce the UK's reliance on Russian and Middle Eastern supplies should be welcomed.

Green councillors Dave Taylor and Andy D'Agorne spoke of their objections to the practice, and said that despite the constraints of national law there were actions the council could take, through the upcoming local plan, to fight fracking.

The council also heard from people concerned about development plans for their areas.

Three different petitions, from Woodthorpe and Acomb Green; Earswick; and Strensall; were presented on behalf of residents who want to see greenbelt areas in their wards saved from development under the Local Plan, while others called for residents' parking zones, a 20 mph zone, and action to tackle anti social behaviour and improve public services.

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8:29am Fri 18 Jul 14

whitehorse says...

We don't give a **** about the democratic process of the council. We don't care about the party having faith in these two. We care about them having the pride and guts to realise that they have let down the local electorate. They need to volunteer to leave. And they need to do it soon.
We don't give a **** about the democratic process of the council. We don't care about the party having faith in these two. We care about them having the pride and guts to realise that they have let down the local electorate. They need to volunteer to leave. And they need to do it soon. whitehorse
  • Score: 28

8:38am Fri 18 Jul 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

All this shows is that the whole of the Labour Council is out of touch and should all step down.
All this shows is that the whole of the Labour Council is out of touch and should all step down. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: 230

8:40am Fri 18 Jul 14

X5019c says...

If they had an ounce of common decency they would have gone weeks ago. It just highlights the contempt in which they hold the people of this great City. Shame on them. Unfortunately it seems that there are very very few elected officials of any party that understand the concept of honour anymore.
If they had an ounce of common decency they would have gone weeks ago. It just highlights the contempt in which they hold the people of this great City. Shame on them. Unfortunately it seems that there are very very few elected officials of any party that understand the concept of honour anymore. X5019c
  • Score: -1327

8:48am Fri 18 Jul 14

bolero says...

One bad apple and ..........
One bad apple and .......... bolero
  • Score: -1158

8:50am Fri 18 Jul 14

bolero says...

And so the evil minded vote rigger returns with renewed vigour.
And so the evil minded vote rigger returns with renewed vigour. bolero
  • Score: -153

8:53am Fri 18 Jul 14

goatman says...

Labour, eh? At least you know the Tories are going to screw you! And as for the Lib Dems - well, 'Any Way the wind blows'!

It's time for a change!
Labour, eh? At least you know the Tories are going to screw you! And as for the Lib Dems - well, 'Any Way the wind blows'! It's time for a change! goatman
  • Score: 25

9:04am Fri 18 Jul 14

Bailed Out says...

Resignations without delay, they have failed the people of York. Second point, why do the press bother with the scoring system? It's being abused and is worthless.
Resignations without delay, they have failed the people of York. Second point, why do the press bother with the scoring system? It's being abused and is worthless. Bailed Out
  • Score: 369

9:08am Fri 18 Jul 14

jayeskaycee says...

Wasn't it obvious that with a labour majority in the council, the vote was going to be with these two jokers in the pack. Apparently, a small majority kept them in their comfortable, well paid jobs, which to the rest of us, it is apparent, they are incapable of carrying out efficiently. It is way past time for a complete change in people and policies. Unlike Midas, everything this lot have touched, has crumbled to dust and ashes, rather than gold.

My belief is that NO council or government should be allowed to make decisions of great importance within the last 6 months of office, especially things that are going to have long and far reaching consequences for the electorate.
Wasn't it obvious that with a labour majority in the council, the vote was going to be with these two jokers in the pack. Apparently, a small majority kept them in their comfortable, well paid jobs, which to the rest of us, it is apparent, they are incapable of carrying out efficiently. It is way past time for a complete change in people and policies. Unlike Midas, everything this lot have touched, has crumbled to dust and ashes, rather than gold. My belief is that NO council or government should be allowed to make decisions of great importance within the last 6 months of office, especially things that are going to have long and far reaching consequences for the electorate. jayeskaycee
  • Score: -163

9:53am Fri 18 Jul 14

X5019c says...

Can I urge everyone who is sick an tired of the vote rigging on this site and the apparant inability or unwillingness of the Press to do anything about it, to write (on good old fashioned paper) to the CEO of Newsquest asking for something to be done about it.

Mr Paul Davidson
Chief Executive of Newsquest Media Group
58 Church Street
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KT13 8DP
Can I urge everyone who is sick an tired of the vote rigging on this site and the apparant inability or unwillingness of the Press to do anything about it, to write (on good old fashioned paper) to the CEO of Newsquest asking for something to be done about it. Mr Paul Davidson Chief Executive of Newsquest Media Group 58 Church Street Weybridge Surrey KT13 8DP X5019c
  • Score: -1463

9:55am Fri 18 Jul 14

wildthing666 says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
All this shows is that the whole of the Labour Council is out of touch and should all step down.
Come next year the Labour council will be gone.
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: All this shows is that the whole of the Labour Council is out of touch and should all step down.[/p][/quote]Come next year the Labour council will be gone. wildthing666
  • Score: -1184

9:58am Fri 18 Jul 14

Knavesmire view says...

A resignation is when someone choses to leave office.

The fact that a motion had to be proposed tells you all you need to know.

Sadly we have another 9-10 months of these idiots before we boot them out
A resignation is when someone choses to leave office. The fact that a motion had to be proposed tells you all you need to know. Sadly we have another 9-10 months of these idiots before we boot them out Knavesmire view
  • Score: -1419

10:18am Fri 18 Jul 14

alanyork says...

Knavesmire view wrote:
A resignation is when someone choses to leave office.

The fact that a motion had to be proposed tells you all you need to know.

Sadly we have another 9-10 months of these idiots before we boot them out
they both should be sacked --- end of--- along with TSL
[quote][p][bold]Knavesmire view[/bold] wrote: A resignation is when someone choses to leave office. The fact that a motion had to be proposed tells you all you need to know. Sadly we have another 9-10 months of these idiots before we boot them out[/p][/quote]they both should be sacked --- end of--- along with TSL alanyork
  • Score: -523

10:23am Fri 18 Jul 14

courier46 says...

They have no shame and should leave themselves not have to be voted out,i now have utter contempt for our leaders (SO CALLED) and have absolutely no faith in them.How can they get away with it all and go laughing all the way to the bank with there overpaid wages.
They have no shame and should leave themselves not have to be voted out,i now have utter contempt for our leaders (SO CALLED) and have absolutely no faith in them.How can they get away with it all and go laughing all the way to the bank with there overpaid wages. courier46
  • Score: -359

10:27am Fri 18 Jul 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

"If you think York is worth protecting..." Fracking might be prove to be a bad idea in the long term but the Labour group clinging on to their dreadful leaders is a much worse one in the short term. Do they really believe they will be re-elected without addressing their own fundamental flaws?
"If you think York is worth protecting..." Fracking might be prove to be a bad idea in the long term but the Labour group clinging on to their dreadful leaders is a much worse one in the short term. Do they really believe they will be re-elected without addressing their own fundamental flaws? Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: -763

10:42am Fri 18 Jul 14

Knavesmire view says...

alanyork wrote:
Knavesmire view wrote:
A resignation is when someone choses to leave office.

The fact that a motion had to be proposed tells you all you need to know.

Sadly we have another 9-10 months of these idiots before we boot them out
they both should be sacked --- end of--- along with TSL
If only we could, they'd have been gone a long, long time ago!
[quote][p][bold]alanyork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Knavesmire view[/bold] wrote: A resignation is when someone choses to leave office. The fact that a motion had to be proposed tells you all you need to know. Sadly we have another 9-10 months of these idiots before we boot them out[/p][/quote]they both should be sacked --- end of--- along with TSL[/p][/quote]If only we could, they'd have been gone a long, long time ago! Knavesmire view
  • Score: -924

10:47am Fri 18 Jul 14

sniper 9964 says...

If CyC really wanted tackle congestion they would expose a congestion charge. For the city center. But they seem not to want this.
CyC do nothing t enforce any thing in city centre. Loading bans go unenforced private cars use bus lanes coppergate is back to a rat run
private cars can be seen parking any where.
Come on CyC get some back bone
If CyC really wanted tackle congestion they would expose a congestion charge. For the city center. But they seem not to want this. CyC do nothing t enforce any thing in city centre. Loading bans go unenforced private cars use bus lanes coppergate is back to a rat run private cars can be seen parking any where. Come on CyC get some back bone sniper 9964
  • Score: -1078

11:07am Fri 18 Jul 14

Eric Olthwaite says...

Despite efforts on here from people who value democracy and decent values to get the present council 'leadership' to go they seem to be entrenched.

They have had repeated opportunities to rectify the situation, maybe now is the time for the populace to take relevant non-violent direct action by whatever means they see fit to remove these corrupt and non-accountable individuals from further abuses of power.

Revolutions in democratic countries have been started and more importantly successful for less.

These warnings need to taken in and acted upon by the powers at be as this is now getting serious and it would be all too easy for a rapidly escalating situation could get nasty pretty quickly.

This issue is boundering on a national security issue.
Perhaps a word in the right ear to get them either removed other pressures put on them to go immediately for everyone’s benefit.
Despite efforts on here from people who value democracy and decent values to get the present council 'leadership' to go they seem to be entrenched. They have had repeated opportunities to rectify the situation, maybe now is the time for the populace to take relevant non-violent direct action by whatever means they see fit to remove these corrupt and non-accountable individuals from further abuses of power. Revolutions in democratic countries have been started and more importantly successful for less. These warnings need to taken in and acted upon by the powers at be as this is now getting serious and it would be all too easy for a rapidly escalating situation could get nasty pretty quickly. This issue is boundering on a national security issue. Perhaps a word in the right ear to get them either removed other pressures put on them to go immediately for everyone’s benefit. Eric Olthwaite
  • Score: -1168

11:09am Fri 18 Jul 14

howmanymoretimes says...

I arrived at 6pm last night to be told that the public gallery was already full ( 60 seats) and was shown, along with others, to a room with a live link but a 40 second delay.
I asked twice if they were sure that the gallery was full and was told yes. On the third (more assertive) request I was told I would be seated when someone left. I was a bit gobsmacked when I was eventually shown to the gallery to find half the seats were empty. Call me cynical but I couldn't help but feel that it was a deliberate attempt to keep the public out.
I arrived at 6pm last night to be told that the public gallery was already full ( 60 seats) and was shown, along with others, to a room with a live link but a 40 second delay. I asked twice if they were sure that the gallery was full and was told yes. On the third (more assertive) request I was told I would be seated when someone left. I was a bit gobsmacked when I was eventually shown to the gallery to find half the seats were empty. Call me cynical but I couldn't help but feel that it was a deliberate attempt to keep the public out. howmanymoretimes
  • Score: -1079

11:10am Fri 18 Jul 14

Dave Ruddock says...

Well Folks seems that Labor are protecting their gaf gang to the Hilt, so it seems and i bet a MEMO (Order) was issued, As for the other person concerned, well less said, Seems all the authorities, regulating officers are, like the Citizens, being totally ignored.

A FULL and Lound call for a citizens vote of "NO CONFIDENCE" is required, delusions of Grandeur (CABINET a wooden one) .
Well Folks seems that Labor are protecting their gaf gang to the Hilt, so it seems and i bet a MEMO (Order) was issued, As for the other person concerned, well less said, Seems all the authorities, regulating officers are, like the Citizens, being totally ignored. A FULL and Lound call for a citizens vote of "NO CONFIDENCE" is required, delusions of Grandeur (CABINET a wooden one) . Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -670

11:16am Fri 18 Jul 14

m dee says...

This shows distrust after Mr Merrett made that statement on Television news during the trial plus with the emails revelation and swapping roles around as a distancing tactic we just have lost faith in them, I for one can not wait to vote in 2015.
This shows distrust after Mr Merrett made that statement on Television news during the trial plus with the emails revelation and swapping roles around as a distancing tactic we just have lost faith in them, I for one can not wait to vote in 2015. m dee
  • Score: -360

11:19am Fri 18 Jul 14

Oaklands Resident says...

Apparently Levene admitted last night that the council HAS NOT agreed to refund Lendal Bridge fines despite what he said on TV and a media release on the Council web site which starts "The Council has decided to refund people who received a fine during the trial traffic regulation of Lendal Bridge".

He doesn't know how much any refund scheme would cost and a decision on the fines refunds will be taken at a meeting"shortly"
Apparently Levene admitted last night that the council HAS NOT agreed to refund Lendal Bridge fines despite what he said on TV and a media release on the Council web site which starts "The Council has decided to refund people who received a fine during the trial traffic regulation of Lendal Bridge". He doesn't know how much any refund scheme would cost and a decision on the fines refunds will be taken at a meeting"shortly" Oaklands Resident
  • Score: -330

11:35am Fri 18 Jul 14

Dr Brian says...

I wonder if the National Executive realise what damage Alexander is doing to the party if they did they would ensure he does not get anywhere near a position of power again.
I wonder if the National Executive realise what damage Alexander is doing to the party if they did they would ensure he does not get anywhere near a position of power again. Dr Brian
  • Score: -448

11:36am Fri 18 Jul 14

buzzy_bee says...

"the current cabinet member for transport David Levene said the trial had never been about making money but was about tackling long running congestion problems in York. "

My question then was the scheme about losing money - owing to that this will cost the York taxpayer an estimated £1m to cover set up costs and to administer the scheme.

Demonstrates to me with Labour backing the council leader than Labour have no integrity whatsoever. Happy to cost the York taxpayer so much money because of incompetence without making anybody accountable.

A large corporate company wouldn't put these muppets in charge of their company, so why on earth do we allow these amateurs to run our services when clearly they have no expertise, experience, knowledge or common sense.
"the current cabinet member for transport David Levene said the trial had never been about making money but was about tackling long running congestion problems in York. " My question then was the scheme about losing money - owing to that this will cost the York taxpayer an estimated £1m to cover set up costs and to administer the scheme. Demonstrates to me with Labour backing the council leader than Labour have no integrity whatsoever. Happy to cost the York taxpayer so much money because of incompetence without making anybody accountable. A large corporate company wouldn't put these muppets in charge of their company, so why on earth do we allow these amateurs to run our services when clearly they have no expertise, experience, knowledge or common sense. buzzy_bee
  • Score: -348

11:58am Fri 18 Jul 14

m dee says...

Whats going on with the votes ?
Whats going on with the votes ? m dee
  • Score: -510

12:09pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Goosey O'Conner says...

Should of resigned months ago. Should also join the Tories as they screw you as much as this duo.
Should of resigned months ago. Should also join the Tories as they screw you as much as this duo. Goosey O'Conner
  • Score: -499

12:11pm Fri 18 Jul 14

York2000 says...

If they stand down, what would you all do? How many times a day do you click on these stories... 20? 30? That's a big hole in your life, and the Press will not want to lost that much clickbait.
If they stand down, what would you all do? How many times a day do you click on these stories... 20? 30? That's a big hole in your life, and the Press will not want to lost that much clickbait. York2000
  • Score: -401

12:13pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Dr Martin says...

m dee wrote:
Whats going on with the votes ?
someone showing off again
[quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: Whats going on with the votes ?[/p][/quote]someone showing off again Dr Martin
  • Score: 114

12:19pm Fri 18 Jul 14

bolero says...

m dee wrote:
Whats going on with the votes ?
Hello. Where have you been for the last six months and more?
[quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: Whats going on with the votes ?[/p][/quote]Hello. Where have you been for the last six months and more? bolero
  • Score: 64

12:25pm Fri 18 Jul 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

m dee wrote:
Whats going on with the votes ?
We have a "internet troll" that enjoys messing with the people on here and making them lose their minds thinking there is a council conspiracy.

A flaw in Newsquest's software that doesn't seem to be patchable I'm afraid...
[quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: Whats going on with the votes ?[/p][/quote]We have a "internet troll" that enjoys messing with the people on here and making them lose their minds thinking there is a council conspiracy. A flaw in Newsquest's software that doesn't seem to be patchable I'm afraid... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: 60

12:27pm Fri 18 Jul 14

m dee says...

bolero wrote:
m dee wrote:
Whats going on with the votes ?
Hello. Where have you been for the last six months and more?
The rigger usually down votes any opinion against the Leadership ans co.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: Whats going on with the votes ?[/p][/quote]Hello. Where have you been for the last six months and more?[/p][/quote]The rigger usually down votes any opinion against the Leadership ans co. m dee
  • Score: 172

12:31pm Fri 18 Jul 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night.

Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005.

What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing.

Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.
Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night. Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005. What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing. Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 10

12:31pm Fri 18 Jul 14

CaroleBaines says...

Eric Olthwaite wrote:
Despite efforts on here from people who value democracy and decent values to get the present council 'leadership' to go they seem to be entrenched.

They have had repeated opportunities to rectify the situation, maybe now is the time for the populace to take relevant non-violent direct action by whatever means they see fit to remove these corrupt and non-accountable individuals from further abuses of power.

Revolutions in democratic countries have been started and more importantly successful for less.

These warnings need to taken in and acted upon by the powers at be as this is now getting serious and it would be all too easy for a rapidly escalating situation could get nasty pretty quickly.

This issue is boundering on a national security issue.
Perhaps a word in the right ear to get them either removed other pressures put on them to go immediately for everyone’s benefit.
Revolution? National security issue? Direct action by residents? What on earth are you talking about?
I think the bridge saga has been a fiasco, I am not a fan of JA to be honest and I think he is way out of his depth. But come on, the streets of Coney St are not running with rivers of blood! I think this is the most extreme case of hyperbole and hysterics I have seen on these forums and that is a pretty high bar!
As for democracy - best way of serving that is through the ballot box come next year.
[quote][p][bold]Eric Olthwaite[/bold] wrote: Despite efforts on here from people who value democracy and decent values to get the present council 'leadership' to go they seem to be entrenched. They have had repeated opportunities to rectify the situation, maybe now is the time for the populace to take relevant non-violent direct action by whatever means they see fit to remove these corrupt and non-accountable individuals from further abuses of power. Revolutions in democratic countries have been started and more importantly successful for less. These warnings need to taken in and acted upon by the powers at be as this is now getting serious and it would be all too easy for a rapidly escalating situation could get nasty pretty quickly. This issue is boundering on a national security issue. Perhaps a word in the right ear to get them either removed other pressures put on them to go immediately for everyone’s benefit.[/p][/quote]Revolution? National security issue? Direct action by residents? What on earth are you talking about? I think the bridge saga has been a fiasco, I am not a fan of JA to be honest and I think he is way out of his depth. But come on, the streets of Coney St are not running with rivers of blood! I think this is the most extreme case of hyperbole and hysterics I have seen on these forums and that is a pretty high bar! As for democracy - best way of serving that is through the ballot box come next year. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 262

12:32pm Fri 18 Jul 14

bolero says...

It will be very interesting when the voting figures for last night's meeting are published. It's alright blaming Alexander, Merrett and Co. but remember probably your local ward councillor is probably just as guilty by aiding and abetting their ineptitude. I don't know who the Councillors are for the wards mainly effected by the diversions whilst the bridge was closed but if they voted against any censure then they too should resign. During the next few months no doubt we will see various labour councillors stating that they will not be standing for re-election come 2015. Just as some of the Lib Dems did in 2011 when they knew their days were numbered and their expenses would cease. Ask your Councillor why he/she is in the job. I doubt that he/she will be honest, because honesty does not feature in politics, but it might just have something to do with receiving a few thousand quid each year for nowt. Sorry for the cynicism but isn't that we are treated to all the time.
It will be very interesting when the voting figures for last night's meeting are published. It's alright blaming Alexander, Merrett and Co. but remember probably your local ward councillor is probably just as guilty by aiding and abetting their ineptitude. I don't know who the Councillors are for the wards mainly effected by the diversions whilst the bridge was closed but if they voted against any censure then they too should resign. During the next few months no doubt we will see various labour councillors stating that they will not be standing for re-election come 2015. Just as some of the Lib Dems did in 2011 when they knew their days were numbered and their expenses would cease. Ask your Councillor why he/she is in the job. I doubt that he/she will be honest, because honesty does not feature in politics, but it might just have something to do with receiving a few thousand quid each year for nowt. Sorry for the cynicism but isn't that we are treated to all the time. bolero
  • Score: 16

1:02pm Fri 18 Jul 14

JasBro says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night.

Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005.

What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing.

Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night. Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005. What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing. Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.[/p][/quote]Well said. JasBro
  • Score: 19

1:10pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Eric Olthwaite wrote:
Despite efforts on here from people who value democracy and decent values to get the present council 'leadership' to go they seem to be entrenched.

They have had repeated opportunities to rectify the situation, maybe now is the time for the populace to take relevant non-violent direct action by whatever means they see fit to remove these corrupt and non-accountable individuals from further abuses of power.

Revolutions in democratic countries have been started and more importantly successful for less.

These warnings need to taken in and acted upon by the powers at be as this is now getting serious and it would be all too easy for a rapidly escalating situation could get nasty pretty quickly.

This issue is boundering on a national security issue.
Perhaps a word in the right ear to get them either removed other pressures put on them to go immediately for everyone’s benefit.
Start the revolution then Eric! I have a Che Guevara t shirt you can have.
[quote][p][bold]Eric Olthwaite[/bold] wrote: Despite efforts on here from people who value democracy and decent values to get the present council 'leadership' to go they seem to be entrenched. They have had repeated opportunities to rectify the situation, maybe now is the time for the populace to take relevant non-violent direct action by whatever means they see fit to remove these corrupt and non-accountable individuals from further abuses of power. Revolutions in democratic countries have been started and more importantly successful for less. These warnings need to taken in and acted upon by the powers at be as this is now getting serious and it would be all too easy for a rapidly escalating situation could get nasty pretty quickly. This issue is boundering on a national security issue. Perhaps a word in the right ear to get them either removed other pressures put on them to go immediately for everyone’s benefit.[/p][/quote]Start the revolution then Eric! I have a Che Guevara t shirt you can have. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 24

1:13pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

m dee wrote:
bolero wrote:
m dee wrote:
Whats going on with the votes ?
Hello. Where have you been for the last six months and more?
The rigger usually down votes any opinion against the Leadership ans co.
I know how the vote rigger does it. Log out, delete browsing history,log in, vote, log out and repeat.
He/she must be really dedicated to do it a thousand times though
[quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: Whats going on with the votes ?[/p][/quote]Hello. Where have you been for the last six months and more?[/p][/quote]The rigger usually down votes any opinion against the Leadership ans co.[/p][/quote]I know how the vote rigger does it. Log out, delete browsing history,log in, vote, log out and repeat. He/she must be really dedicated to do it a thousand times though Pinza-C55
  • Score: 36

1:25pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Dr Martin says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
m dee wrote:
bolero wrote:
m dee wrote:
Whats going on with the votes ?
Hello. Where have you been for the last six months and more?
The rigger usually down votes any opinion against the Leadership ans co.
I know how the vote rigger does it. Log out, delete browsing history,log in, vote, log out and repeat.
He/she must be really dedicated to do it a thousand times though
I think you will find it's a bit more sophisticated than that
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: Whats going on with the votes ?[/p][/quote]Hello. Where have you been for the last six months and more?[/p][/quote]The rigger usually down votes any opinion against the Leadership ans co.[/p][/quote]I know how the vote rigger does it. Log out, delete browsing history,log in, vote, log out and repeat. He/she must be really dedicated to do it a thousand times though[/p][/quote]I think you will find it's a bit more sophisticated than that Dr Martin
  • Score: 47

1:25pm Fri 18 Jul 14

meme says...

''and the current cabinet member for transport David Levene said the trial had never been about making money...''
How right he was !! labour have lost York's ratepayers a fortune on Lendal Bridge and perhaps if he thought about it he may realise this was why they were being called on to resign...but leopards wont change their spots and there is no honour anymore
''and the current cabinet member for transport David Levene said the trial had never been about making money...'' How right he was !! labour have lost York's ratepayers a fortune on Lendal Bridge and perhaps if he thought about it he may realise this was why they were being called on to resign...but leopards wont change their spots and there is no honour anymore meme
  • Score: 26

1:29pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Devils_advocate says...

On numerous occasions and from numerous different contributors I have seen comments along the lines of "I for one will not be voting for Labour in the next local election" .... so who will you be voting for?

I suspect that Labour may well get in again because a protest vote tends to take the form of either abstaining or voting for a minority party that hardly registers in the political arena.
On numerous occasions and from numerous different contributors I have seen comments along the lines of "I for one will not be voting for Labour in the next local election" .... so who will you be voting for? I suspect that Labour may well get in again because a protest vote tends to take the form of either abstaining or voting for a minority party that hardly registers in the political arena. Devils_advocate
  • Score: 28

1:31pm Fri 18 Jul 14

oi oi savaloy says...

labour are a corrupt broken party, my vote is lost to them, the York branch is full egotistical maniac career politician wannabes with tony blair type god complexes! Alexander wouldn't step down anyhow, he is in it till the end because he loves the gravy train, he has a first class ticket on it, why do you think he put on so much weight ? its because he takes full advantage of the expenses and freebies! typical of a politician!!
labour are a corrupt broken party, my vote is lost to them, the York branch is full egotistical maniac career politician wannabes with tony blair type god complexes! Alexander wouldn't step down anyhow, he is in it till the end because he loves the gravy train, he has a first class ticket on it, why do you think he put on so much weight ? its because he takes full advantage of the expenses and freebies! typical of a politician!! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 37

1:47pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Dr Martin says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
m dee wrote:
bolero wrote:
m dee wrote:
Whats going on with the votes ?
Hello. Where have you been for the last six months and more?
The rigger usually down votes any opinion against the Leadership ans co.
I know how the vote rigger does it. Log out, delete browsing history,log in, vote, log out and repeat.
He/she must be really dedicated to do it a thousand times though
I think you will find it's a bit more sophisticated than that
...................b
ut you may be right in this instance, as all the first 15 are voted up regardless of their views.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: Whats going on with the votes ?[/p][/quote]Hello. Where have you been for the last six months and more?[/p][/quote]The rigger usually down votes any opinion against the Leadership ans co.[/p][/quote]I know how the vote rigger does it. Log out, delete browsing history,log in, vote, log out and repeat. He/she must be really dedicated to do it a thousand times though[/p][/quote]I think you will find it's a bit more sophisticated than that[/p][/quote]...................b ut you may be right in this instance, as all the first 15 are voted up regardless of their views. Dr Martin
  • Score: 10

1:55pm Fri 18 Jul 14

pedalling paul says...

JasBro wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night.

Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005.

What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing.

Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.
Well said.
".........resulted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.
[quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night. Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005. What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing. Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]".........resulted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different. pedalling paul
  • Score: 35

2:16pm Fri 18 Jul 14

bolero says...

I see PP is making a late appearance today. Been too busy rigging the votes Peddlar?
I see PP is making a late appearance today. Been too busy rigging the votes Peddlar? bolero
  • Score: 22

2:39pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Bad magic says...

pedalling paul wrote:
JasBro wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night.

Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005.

What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing.

Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.
Well said.
".........resul
ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.
I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night. Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005. What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing. Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]".........resul ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.[/p][/quote]I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever. Bad magic
  • Score: 138

2:49pm Fri 18 Jul 14

TheMinsterMen says...

Bad magic wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
JasBro wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night.

Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005.

What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing.

Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.
Well said.
".........resul

ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.
I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.
I had lived on Bootham for a couple of years until recently moving to the outskirts. Whenever the traffic lights failed at the Bootham / Gilly Gate cross roads it was amazing how easily traffic began to flow through from all directions, all tailbacks down St. Leonards, Bootham and Gillygate gone and all drivers approaching the junction slowly and without incident. I also agree with 'Bad Magic', I was quite happy to walk across the road without feeling in danger at all.
[quote][p][bold]Bad magic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night. Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005. What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing. Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]".........resul ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.[/p][/quote]I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.[/p][/quote]I had lived on Bootham for a couple of years until recently moving to the outskirts. Whenever the traffic lights failed at the Bootham / Gilly Gate cross roads it was amazing how easily traffic began to flow through from all directions, all tailbacks down St. Leonards, Bootham and Gillygate gone and all drivers approaching the junction slowly and without incident. I also agree with 'Bad Magic', I was quite happy to walk across the road without feeling in danger at all. TheMinsterMen
  • Score: 3

3:00pm Fri 18 Jul 14

RingoStarr says...

TheMinsterMen wrote:
Bad magic wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
JasBro wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night.

Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005.

What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing.

Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.
Well said.
".........resul


ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.
I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.
I had lived on Bootham for a couple of years until recently moving to the outskirts. Whenever the traffic lights failed at the Bootham / Gilly Gate cross roads it was amazing how easily traffic began to flow through from all directions, all tailbacks down St. Leonards, Bootham and Gillygate gone and all drivers approaching the junction slowly and without incident. I also agree with 'Bad Magic', I was quite happy to walk across the road without feeling in danger at all.
Ah but, unlike PiddlingPoor, you're not blinkered.
[quote][p][bold]TheMinsterMen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bad magic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night. Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005. What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing. Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]".........resul ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.[/p][/quote]I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.[/p][/quote]I had lived on Bootham for a couple of years until recently moving to the outskirts. Whenever the traffic lights failed at the Bootham / Gilly Gate cross roads it was amazing how easily traffic began to flow through from all directions, all tailbacks down St. Leonards, Bootham and Gillygate gone and all drivers approaching the junction slowly and without incident. I also agree with 'Bad Magic', I was quite happy to walk across the road without feeling in danger at all.[/p][/quote]Ah but, unlike PiddlingPoor, you're not blinkered. RingoStarr
  • Score: 32

3:14pm Fri 18 Jul 14

JasBro says...

pedalling paul wrote:
JasBro wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night.

Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005.

What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing.

Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.
Well said.
".........resul
ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.
I did, and it wasn't a problem.

In fact it was much quicker to cross the road because I didn't have to wait for the green man. I was waved a across by a driver within seconds.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night. Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005. What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing. Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]".........resul ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.[/p][/quote]I did, and it wasn't a problem. In fact it was much quicker to cross the road because I didn't have to wait for the green man. I was waved a across by a driver within seconds. JasBro
  • Score: 7

3:19pm Fri 18 Jul 14

JasBro says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
m dee wrote:
bolero wrote:
m dee wrote:
Whats going on with the votes ?
Hello. Where have you been for the last six months and more?
The rigger usually down votes any opinion against the Leadership ans co.
I know how the vote rigger does it. Log out, delete browsing history,log in, vote, log out and repeat.
He/she must be really dedicated to do it a thousand times though
Votebot
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: Whats going on with the votes ?[/p][/quote]Hello. Where have you been for the last six months and more?[/p][/quote]The rigger usually down votes any opinion against the Leadership ans co.[/p][/quote]I know how the vote rigger does it. Log out, delete browsing history,log in, vote, log out and repeat. He/she must be really dedicated to do it a thousand times though[/p][/quote]Votebot JasBro
  • Score: 50

3:21pm Fri 18 Jul 14

TheMinsterMen says...

RingoStarr wrote:
TheMinsterMen wrote:
Bad magic wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
JasBro wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night.

Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005.

What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing.

Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.
Well said.
".........resul



ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.
I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.
I had lived on Bootham for a couple of years until recently moving to the outskirts. Whenever the traffic lights failed at the Bootham / Gilly Gate cross roads it was amazing how easily traffic began to flow through from all directions, all tailbacks down St. Leonards, Bootham and Gillygate gone and all drivers approaching the junction slowly and without incident. I also agree with 'Bad Magic', I was quite happy to walk across the road without feeling in danger at all.
Ah but, unlike PiddlingPoor, you're not blinkered.
I'm sure there's a girl guide somewhere who could hold his hand and help him to cross.
[quote][p][bold]RingoStarr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMinsterMen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bad magic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night. Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005. What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing. Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]".........resul ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.[/p][/quote]I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.[/p][/quote]I had lived on Bootham for a couple of years until recently moving to the outskirts. Whenever the traffic lights failed at the Bootham / Gilly Gate cross roads it was amazing how easily traffic began to flow through from all directions, all tailbacks down St. Leonards, Bootham and Gillygate gone and all drivers approaching the junction slowly and without incident. I also agree with 'Bad Magic', I was quite happy to walk across the road without feeling in danger at all.[/p][/quote]Ah but, unlike PiddlingPoor, you're not blinkered.[/p][/quote]I'm sure there's a girl guide somewhere who could hold his hand and help him to cross. TheMinsterMen
  • Score: 205

3:24pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Cheeky face says...

Strangebuttrue,

Apology was the very least they had to do.

David Levene should learn from wasted time at Osgodby Roundabout.
Lights at red after the P and R shut led to concerns by locals. This had traffic lights 24/7 and is located between the village and the P and R site. This is twixt Scarborough and Filey on the A165.

Locals complained at motor cyclists revving up engines whilst lights were against them, and this caused poor sleeping.

Osgodby residents complained to council and NYCC. Now the lights are off because it is quiet the traffic flows well. Tomorrow with events at the cricket ground and Oliver's Mount it may well need lights back on.

SUCCESS FOR RESIDENTS BECAUSE SCARBOROUGH AND NYCC LISTEN.
Strangebuttrue, Apology was the very least they had to do. David Levene should learn from wasted time at Osgodby Roundabout. Lights at red after the P and R shut led to concerns by locals. This had traffic lights 24/7 and is located between the village and the P and R site. This is twixt Scarborough and Filey on the A165. Locals complained at motor cyclists revving up engines whilst lights were against them, and this caused poor sleeping. Osgodby residents complained to council and NYCC. Now the lights are off because it is quiet the traffic flows well. Tomorrow with events at the cricket ground and Oliver's Mount it may well need lights back on. SUCCESS FOR RESIDENTS BECAUSE SCARBOROUGH AND NYCC LISTEN. Cheeky face
  • Score: 40

3:34pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
m dee wrote:
bolero wrote:
m dee wrote:
Whats going on with the votes ?
Hello. Where have you been for the last six months and more?
The rigger usually down votes any opinion against the Leadership ans co.
I know how the vote rigger does it. Log out, delete browsing history,log in, vote, log out and repeat.
He/she must be really dedicated to do it a thousand times though
I think you will find it's a bit more sophisticated than that
...................b

ut you may be right in this instance, as all the first 15 are voted up regardless of their views.
But a votebot could apply a number of votes to any chosen thread and would not be constrained by time. The last post "adjusted" was at 23.36.
The Markdown Mongrel appears to get started after they have had their tea, say around 19.00.
Votebots don't have tea.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: Whats going on with the votes ?[/p][/quote]Hello. Where have you been for the last six months and more?[/p][/quote]The rigger usually down votes any opinion against the Leadership ans co.[/p][/quote]I know how the vote rigger does it. Log out, delete browsing history,log in, vote, log out and repeat. He/she must be really dedicated to do it a thousand times though[/p][/quote]I think you will find it's a bit more sophisticated than that[/p][/quote]...................b ut you may be right in this instance, as all the first 15 are voted up regardless of their views.[/p][/quote]But a votebot could apply a number of votes to any chosen thread and would not be constrained by time. The last post "adjusted" was at 23.36. The Markdown Mongrel appears to get started after they have had their tea, say around 19.00. Votebots don't have tea. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 80

3:56pm Fri 18 Jul 14

JasBro says...

Like any software, a votebot needs turning on, and it also needs directing.

But, believe what you want, I couldn't care less about it.
Like any software, a votebot needs turning on, and it also needs directing. But, believe what you want, I couldn't care less about it. JasBro
  • Score: 445

4:03pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Dave Ruddock says...

To the Pres Editor, why oh why is there a picture of a certain person, with the Mansion House in the background, Gives a false impression, and his delusions of Grandeur. think the response from others say the rest.
To the Pres Editor, why oh why is there a picture of a certain person, with the Mansion House in the background, Gives a false impression, and his delusions of Grandeur. think the response from others say the rest. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 840

4:11pm Fri 18 Jul 14

julia brica says...

Devils_advocate wrote:
On numerous occasions and from numerous different contributors I have seen comments along the lines of "I for one will not be voting for Labour in the next local election" .... so who will you be voting for?

I suspect that Labour may well get in again because a protest vote tends to take the form of either abstaining or voting for a minority party that hardly registers in the political arena.
quite so , which brings me back to Y I P where are you then ?
[quote][p][bold]Devils_advocate[/bold] wrote: On numerous occasions and from numerous different contributors I have seen comments along the lines of "I for one will not be voting for Labour in the next local election" .... so who will you be voting for? I suspect that Labour may well get in again because a protest vote tends to take the form of either abstaining or voting for a minority party that hardly registers in the political arena.[/p][/quote]quite so , which brings me back to Y I P where are you then ? julia brica
  • Score: 160

4:19pm Fri 18 Jul 14

julia brica says...

David , David , David you told us you would resign if it all went t**s up.
So whats the game changer then, because it all truly went t**s up.
So come on be a man of your word and do the decent thing.
David , David , David you told us you would resign if it all went t**s up. So whats the game changer then, because it all truly went t**s up. So come on be a man of your word and do the decent thing. julia brica
  • Score: 140

4:43pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mike.......durkin says...

well in that case all roads shud reopen to keep cars moving and coppergate. then thay wont be eny problams.
well its was a bit of a cash caw realy.
well in that case all roads shud reopen to keep cars moving and coppergate. then thay wont be eny problams. well its was a bit of a cash caw realy. mike.......durkin
  • Score: 70

5:27pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Dr Brian says...

Devils_advocate wrote:
On numerous occasions and from numerous different contributors I have seen comments along the lines of "I for one will not be voting for Labour in the next local election" .... so who will you be voting for?

I suspect that Labour may well get in again because a protest vote tends to take the form of either abstaining or voting for a minority party that hardly registers in the political arena.
I think many Labour voters may vote tactically in an effort to get Alexander out of power. Many of us could / would never vote Tory but Alexander is so bad even I would consider voting for them if I felt it would get Alexander out!

Pity the poor sods who get him next though as a prospective member of parliament!
[quote][p][bold]Devils_advocate[/bold] wrote: On numerous occasions and from numerous different contributors I have seen comments along the lines of "I for one will not be voting for Labour in the next local election" .... so who will you be voting for? I suspect that Labour may well get in again because a protest vote tends to take the form of either abstaining or voting for a minority party that hardly registers in the political arena.[/p][/quote]I think many Labour voters may vote tactically in an effort to get Alexander out of power. Many of us could / would never vote Tory but Alexander is so bad even I would consider voting for them if I felt it would get Alexander out! Pity the poor sods who get him next though as a prospective member of parliament! Dr Brian
  • Score: 40

5:32pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mmarshal says...

Finally, the comments page remains open. During the past week it seems that the Press has pursued an exercise of stopping too many bad comments about these 2 idiots.
Whether or not they held noble thoughts regarding the reduction of pollution and traffic congestion, the fact remains that they made a total b*ll*cks of the job. They've caused bad public relations and, importantly, a huge loss to the York public purse.
I predicted back in September last year that the signage was wrong and inadequate and asked at that time if York coucil tax payers would end up paying the bill for this fiasco. We now have our answer.
There are 2 honourable options for this failure; they pay the losses out of their own pocket or they fall on their sword and resign. They probably don't have the money to do the former and they clearly lack the integrity to do the latter.
Finally, the comments page remains open. During the past week it seems that the Press has pursued an exercise of stopping too many bad comments about these 2 idiots. Whether or not they held noble thoughts regarding the reduction of pollution and traffic congestion, the fact remains that they made a total b*ll*cks of the job. They've caused bad public relations and, importantly, a huge loss to the York public purse. I predicted back in September last year that the signage was wrong and inadequate and asked at that time if York coucil tax payers would end up paying the bill for this fiasco. We now have our answer. There are 2 honourable options for this failure; they pay the losses out of their own pocket or they fall on their sword and resign. They probably don't have the money to do the former and they clearly lack the integrity to do the latter. mmarshal
  • Score: 115

6:53pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Silver says...

So basically a bit of shaming and the death of Labour's hope to win power in this city. Yet as far as I see it. The council decided to do something it was deemed illegal they have been ordered to pay the money back. So this now means we as tax payers have effectively wasted £700k to allow a company to issue the fines. So this is now misspent public funds by a grand scale of incompetence. Since the recession we've been told we've had to accept cuts on basic services and now we're told well whoops we've just wasted 7/10ths of a million pounds that could have just gone into maintaining or less savage cuts to our public services. And there is no actual punishment to those who were in charge, I cannot name a job besides banking where mismanagement of this level in such a public forum the person responsible gets to keep their job albeit till elections. But then again the Chief Exec and those who did the actual work get no punishment for failing on a tremendous scale to not know what they were doing it beggars belief.
So basically a bit of shaming and the death of Labour's hope to win power in this city. Yet as far as I see it. The council decided to do something it was deemed illegal they have been ordered to pay the money back. So this now means we as tax payers have effectively wasted £700k to allow a company to issue the fines. So this is now misspent public funds by a grand scale of incompetence. Since the recession we've been told we've had to accept cuts on basic services and now we're told well whoops we've just wasted 7/10ths of a million pounds that could have just gone into maintaining or less savage cuts to our public services. And there is no actual punishment to those who were in charge, I cannot name a job besides banking where mismanagement of this level in such a public forum the person responsible gets to keep their job albeit till elections. But then again the Chief Exec and those who did the actual work get no punishment for failing on a tremendous scale to not know what they were doing it beggars belief. Silver
  • Score: 120

7:18pm Fri 18 Jul 14

courier46 says...

Silver wrote:
So basically a bit of shaming and the death of Labour's hope to win power in this city. Yet as far as I see it. The council decided to do something it was deemed illegal they have been ordered to pay the money back. So this now means we as tax payers have effectively wasted £700k to allow a company to issue the fines. So this is now misspent public funds by a grand scale of incompetence. Since the recession we've been told we've had to accept cuts on basic services and now we're told well whoops we've just wasted 7/10ths of a million pounds that could have just gone into maintaining or less savage cuts to our public services. And there is no actual punishment to those who were in charge, I cannot name a job besides banking where mismanagement of this level in such a public forum the person responsible gets to keep their job albeit till elections. But then again the Chief Exec and those who did the actual work get no punishment for failing on a tremendous scale to not know what they were doing it beggars belief.
Dont forget the 20`s plenty zone another £600,000 + there wasted
[quote][p][bold]Silver[/bold] wrote: So basically a bit of shaming and the death of Labour's hope to win power in this city. Yet as far as I see it. The council decided to do something it was deemed illegal they have been ordered to pay the money back. So this now means we as tax payers have effectively wasted £700k to allow a company to issue the fines. So this is now misspent public funds by a grand scale of incompetence. Since the recession we've been told we've had to accept cuts on basic services and now we're told well whoops we've just wasted 7/10ths of a million pounds that could have just gone into maintaining or less savage cuts to our public services. And there is no actual punishment to those who were in charge, I cannot name a job besides banking where mismanagement of this level in such a public forum the person responsible gets to keep their job albeit till elections. But then again the Chief Exec and those who did the actual work get no punishment for failing on a tremendous scale to not know what they were doing it beggars belief.[/p][/quote]Dont forget the 20`s plenty zone another £600,000 + there wasted courier46
  • Score: 85

7:22pm Fri 18 Jul 14

bolero says...

julia brica wrote:
David , David , David you told us you would resign if it all went t**s up.
So whats the game changer then, because it all truly went t**s up.
So come on be a man of your word and do the decent thing.
"A man of your word" and a politician. No, no, the two don't go together.
[quote][p][bold]julia brica[/bold] wrote: David , David , David you told us you would resign if it all went t**s up. So whats the game changer then, because it all truly went t**s up. So come on be a man of your word and do the decent thing.[/p][/quote]"A man of your word" and a politician. No, no, the two don't go together. bolero
  • Score: 145

7:32pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Silver says...

courier46 wrote:
Silver wrote:
So basically a bit of shaming and the death of Labour's hope to win power in this city. Yet as far as I see it. The council decided to do something it was deemed illegal they have been ordered to pay the money back. So this now means we as tax payers have effectively wasted £700k to allow a company to issue the fines. So this is now misspent public funds by a grand scale of incompetence. Since the recession we've been told we've had to accept cuts on basic services and now we're told well whoops we've just wasted 7/10ths of a million pounds that could have just gone into maintaining or less savage cuts to our public services. And there is no actual punishment to those who were in charge, I cannot name a job besides banking where mismanagement of this level in such a public forum the person responsible gets to keep their job albeit till elections. But then again the Chief Exec and those who did the actual work get no punishment for failing on a tremendous scale to not know what they were doing it beggars belief.
Dont forget the 20`s plenty zone another £600,000 + there wasted
I hadn't forgotten but thought it was getting a bit too much. Now I'm not calling for people to lose their jobs but perhaps retraining, blacknotes on your careers, having their work monitored by their peers.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Silver[/bold] wrote: So basically a bit of shaming and the death of Labour's hope to win power in this city. Yet as far as I see it. The council decided to do something it was deemed illegal they have been ordered to pay the money back. So this now means we as tax payers have effectively wasted £700k to allow a company to issue the fines. So this is now misspent public funds by a grand scale of incompetence. Since the recession we've been told we've had to accept cuts on basic services and now we're told well whoops we've just wasted 7/10ths of a million pounds that could have just gone into maintaining or less savage cuts to our public services. And there is no actual punishment to those who were in charge, I cannot name a job besides banking where mismanagement of this level in such a public forum the person responsible gets to keep their job albeit till elections. But then again the Chief Exec and those who did the actual work get no punishment for failing on a tremendous scale to not know what they were doing it beggars belief.[/p][/quote]Dont forget the 20`s plenty zone another £600,000 + there wasted[/p][/quote]I hadn't forgotten but thought it was getting a bit too much. Now I'm not calling for people to lose their jobs but perhaps retraining, blacknotes on your careers, having their work monitored by their peers. Silver
  • Score: 35

8:33pm Fri 18 Jul 14

pedalling paul says...

TheMinsterMen wrote:
Bad magic wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
JasBro wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night.

Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005.

What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing.

Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.
Well said.
".........resul


ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.
I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.
I had lived on Bootham for a couple of years until recently moving to the outskirts. Whenever the traffic lights failed at the Bootham / Gilly Gate cross roads it was amazing how easily traffic began to flow through from all directions, all tailbacks down St. Leonards, Bootham and Gillygate gone and all drivers approaching the junction slowly and without incident. I also agree with 'Bad Magic', I was quite happy to walk across the road without feeling in danger at all.
OK so you can walk across, presumably without any personal restrictions. But there are lots of residents with mobility restrictions, and not all are obvious. Be grateful that you have your agility and senses. (but maybe little sense....?)
[quote][p][bold]TheMinsterMen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bad magic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night. Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005. What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing. Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]".........resul ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.[/p][/quote]I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.[/p][/quote]I had lived on Bootham for a couple of years until recently moving to the outskirts. Whenever the traffic lights failed at the Bootham / Gilly Gate cross roads it was amazing how easily traffic began to flow through from all directions, all tailbacks down St. Leonards, Bootham and Gillygate gone and all drivers approaching the junction slowly and without incident. I also agree with 'Bad Magic', I was quite happy to walk across the road without feeling in danger at all.[/p][/quote]OK so you can walk across, presumably without any personal restrictions. But there are lots of residents with mobility restrictions, and not all are obvious. Be grateful that you have your agility and senses. (but maybe little sense....?) pedalling paul
  • Score: 43

8:44pm Fri 18 Jul 14

gmsgop says...

Oaklands Resident wrote:
Apparently Levene admitted last night that the council HAS NOT agreed to refund Lendal Bridge fines despite what he said on TV and a media release on the Council web site which starts "The Council has decided to refund people who received a fine during the trial traffic regulation of Lendal Bridge".

He doesn't know how much any refund scheme would cost and a decision on the fines refunds will be taken at a meeting"shortly"
Oh - on the council web site - there is a press release dated 14th July saying -- "the council has decided to refund..... " very clear- needless to say I have a copy of this which I can use to report yet another decision taken illegally by James and pals.

Clearly they haven't got it yet - it is a key decision - there is a process - a democratic process - because we are not in a dictatorship.

We pay lawyers, directors and a chief executive to make sure the law is obeyed and democracy respected - but again decision made no process.

Here we go again - I'll start with the auditors - internal and external, again..... It's getting boring 5 times now in last 3 months -----

Gwen Swinburn
[quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: Apparently Levene admitted last night that the council HAS NOT agreed to refund Lendal Bridge fines despite what he said on TV and a media release on the Council web site which starts "The Council has decided to refund people who received a fine during the trial traffic regulation of Lendal Bridge". He doesn't know how much any refund scheme would cost and a decision on the fines refunds will be taken at a meeting"shortly"[/p][/quote]Oh - on the council web site - there is a press release dated 14th July saying -- "the council has decided to refund..... " very clear- needless to say I have a copy of this which I can use to report yet another decision taken illegally by James and pals. Clearly they haven't got it yet - it is a key decision - there is a process - a democratic process - because we are not in a dictatorship. We pay lawyers, directors and a chief executive to make sure the law is obeyed and democracy respected - but again decision made no process. Here we go again - I'll start with the auditors - internal and external, again..... It's getting boring 5 times now in last 3 months ----- Gwen Swinburn gmsgop
  • Score: 80

9:10pm Fri 18 Jul 14

GMuser says...

pedalling paul wrote:
TheMinsterMen wrote:
Bad magic wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
JasBro wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night.

Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005.

What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing.

Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.
Well said.
".........resul



ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.
I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.
I had lived on Bootham for a couple of years until recently moving to the outskirts. Whenever the traffic lights failed at the Bootham / Gilly Gate cross roads it was amazing how easily traffic began to flow through from all directions, all tailbacks down St. Leonards, Bootham and Gillygate gone and all drivers approaching the junction slowly and without incident. I also agree with 'Bad Magic', I was quite happy to walk across the road without feeling in danger at all.
OK so you can walk across, presumably without any personal restrictions. But there are lots of residents with mobility restrictions, and not all are obvious. Be grateful that you have your agility and senses. (but maybe little sense....?)
Paul you still do not get it do you.... If you remove the cause of frustration and allow the majority of people to do the right thing it is amazing how people will help each other (Yes there will always be a small minority who believe they 'own' the world.... drivers, cyclists, pedestrians and dare I say it most polititians). BUT the vast majority will be mindful of all people who have to 'interface' with others and actually will help each other.
Removing man made obstacles like junction traffic lights and making all entrances to a junction 'give way' will naturally make people wary and alert..... ALL users of the junction! and in the confines of the city traffic would move continously and slowly. Correct location of Zebra crossings would be wise (And in certain high footfall areas they should be controlled). What we need is lateral thinking on traffic management NOT over regulation that merely makes things worse which has the added value of increasing pollution and congestion. BUT no doubt this contrary to all the grand plans that you deem to be the solution.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMinsterMen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bad magic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night. Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005. What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing. Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]".........resul ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.[/p][/quote]I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.[/p][/quote]I had lived on Bootham for a couple of years until recently moving to the outskirts. Whenever the traffic lights failed at the Bootham / Gilly Gate cross roads it was amazing how easily traffic began to flow through from all directions, all tailbacks down St. Leonards, Bootham and Gillygate gone and all drivers approaching the junction slowly and without incident. I also agree with 'Bad Magic', I was quite happy to walk across the road without feeling in danger at all.[/p][/quote]OK so you can walk across, presumably without any personal restrictions. But there are lots of residents with mobility restrictions, and not all are obvious. Be grateful that you have your agility and senses. (but maybe little sense....?)[/p][/quote]Paul you still do not get it do you.... If you remove the cause of frustration and allow the majority of people to do the right thing it is amazing how people will help each other (Yes there will always be a small minority who believe they 'own' the world.... drivers, cyclists, pedestrians and dare I say it most polititians). BUT the vast majority will be mindful of all people who have to 'interface' with others and actually will help each other. Removing man made obstacles like junction traffic lights and making all entrances to a junction 'give way' will naturally make people wary and alert..... ALL users of the junction! and in the confines of the city traffic would move continously and slowly. Correct location of Zebra crossings would be wise (And in certain high footfall areas they should be controlled). What we need is lateral thinking on traffic management NOT over regulation that merely makes things worse which has the added value of increasing pollution and congestion. BUT no doubt this contrary to all the grand plans that you deem to be the solution. GMuser
  • Score: 30

9:18pm Fri 18 Jul 14

JasBro says...

pedalling paul wrote:
TheMinsterMen wrote:
Bad magic wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
JasBro wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night.

Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005.

What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing.

Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.
Well said.
".........resul



ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.
I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.
I had lived on Bootham for a couple of years until recently moving to the outskirts. Whenever the traffic lights failed at the Bootham / Gilly Gate cross roads it was amazing how easily traffic began to flow through from all directions, all tailbacks down St. Leonards, Bootham and Gillygate gone and all drivers approaching the junction slowly and without incident. I also agree with 'Bad Magic', I was quite happy to walk across the road without feeling in danger at all.
OK so you can walk across, presumably without any personal restrictions. But there are lots of residents with mobility restrictions, and not all are obvious. Be grateful that you have your agility and senses. (but maybe little sense....?)
Oh dear, you don't seem to understand the difference between traffic lights and pedestrian crossings. I knew you would come up with this rather lame argument.

So, for your benefit I'll explain. Traffic lights hold up traffic unnecessarily creating more pollution, congestion and indeed frustration. Pedestrian crossings do exactly what it says on the tin, and nobody has any objection to them.

If you open your eyes you'll see that there are pedestrian crossings all around the city that are quite separate from the traffic manipulation exercises that you support.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMinsterMen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bad magic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night. Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005. What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing. Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]".........resul ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.[/p][/quote]I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.[/p][/quote]I had lived on Bootham for a couple of years until recently moving to the outskirts. Whenever the traffic lights failed at the Bootham / Gilly Gate cross roads it was amazing how easily traffic began to flow through from all directions, all tailbacks down St. Leonards, Bootham and Gillygate gone and all drivers approaching the junction slowly and without incident. I also agree with 'Bad Magic', I was quite happy to walk across the road without feeling in danger at all.[/p][/quote]OK so you can walk across, presumably without any personal restrictions. But there are lots of residents with mobility restrictions, and not all are obvious. Be grateful that you have your agility and senses. (but maybe little sense....?)[/p][/quote]Oh dear, you don't seem to understand the difference between traffic lights and pedestrian crossings. I knew you would come up with this rather lame argument. So, for your benefit I'll explain. Traffic lights hold up traffic unnecessarily creating more pollution, congestion and indeed frustration. Pedestrian crossings do exactly what it says on the tin, and nobody has any objection to them. If you open your eyes you'll see that there are pedestrian crossings all around the city that are quite separate from the traffic manipulation exercises that you support. JasBro
  • Score: 45

9:35pm Fri 18 Jul 14

JasBro says...

GMuser wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
TheMinsterMen wrote:
Bad magic wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
JasBro wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night.

Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005.

What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing.

Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.
Well said.
".........resul




ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.
I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.
I had lived on Bootham for a couple of years until recently moving to the outskirts. Whenever the traffic lights failed at the Bootham / Gilly Gate cross roads it was amazing how easily traffic began to flow through from all directions, all tailbacks down St. Leonards, Bootham and Gillygate gone and all drivers approaching the junction slowly and without incident. I also agree with 'Bad Magic', I was quite happy to walk across the road without feeling in danger at all.
OK so you can walk across, presumably without any personal restrictions. But there are lots of residents with mobility restrictions, and not all are obvious. Be grateful that you have your agility and senses. (but maybe little sense....?)
Paul you still do not get it do you.... If you remove the cause of frustration and allow the majority of people to do the right thing it is amazing how people will help each other (Yes there will always be a small minority who believe they 'own' the world.... drivers, cyclists, pedestrians and dare I say it most polititians). BUT the vast majority will be mindful of all people who have to 'interface' with others and actually will help each other.
Removing man made obstacles like junction traffic lights and making all entrances to a junction 'give way' will naturally make people wary and alert..... ALL users of the junction! and in the confines of the city traffic would move continously and slowly. Correct location of Zebra crossings would be wise (And in certain high footfall areas they should be controlled). What we need is lateral thinking on traffic management NOT over regulation that merely makes things worse which has the added value of increasing pollution and congestion. BUT no doubt this contrary to all the grand plans that you deem to be the solution.
Well said, totally agree.
[quote][p][bold]GMuser[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheMinsterMen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bad magic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Apart form it being a disgrace that Mr Merrett has not kept his word and resigned instead relaying on more misleading of residents through his protectors agreeing not to admit that the fines were illegal we need to be vary wary of his puppet Mr Levene from what I heard last night. Mr Levene is saying we have a worsening traffic problem in York. We do not. We have a worsening congestion and pollution problem which is being caused by the councils anti car policies. We have less traffic than in 2002 and volume of traffic has not risen since it's low point in 2005. What most disturbed me about Mr Levene was his saying he will go off and do all the hearts and minds stuff and then move forward. What he appeared to be saying is that he will win over the residents of York and then carry on with the anti car policies regardless of how much harm it is doing to the city and it's residents. It would not surprise me to see another bridge closure being proposed as the council are currently trying to convince us it was the implementation rather than the actual closure that was the problem. It was not it was the closure we do not want any bridges closing. Mr Levene you will recall made all sorts of promises when he replaced the disgraced Mr Merrett. Not least of these was to review traffic light phasing. Has he done this yet? What are the results? He said last night that our traffic problems were not going to go away. As most of the problems are caused by the council I can only take this to mean he has no intension of taking any action to rid us of the measures introduced by Mr Merrett which are the cause. One of the other councillors pointed out, following a traffic light failure at Bootham which resulted in all traffic disappearing, that the council should stop harassing York's motorists. It would appear Mr Levene has every intension of continuing this harassment after duping people into excepting it. We are not that easily duped Mr Levene.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]".........resul ted in all traffic disappearing..." Try crossing the road there as a pedestrian during the time that the lights were out, and your perspective will be very different.[/p][/quote]I did. There was no traffic, and I walked briskly across in no danger whatsoever.[/p][/quote]I had lived on Bootham for a couple of years until recently moving to the outskirts. Whenever the traffic lights failed at the Bootham / Gilly Gate cross roads it was amazing how easily traffic began to flow through from all directions, all tailbacks down St. Leonards, Bootham and Gillygate gone and all drivers approaching the junction slowly and without incident. I also agree with 'Bad Magic', I was quite happy to walk across the road without feeling in danger at all.[/p][/quote]OK so you can walk across, presumably without any personal restrictions. But there are lots of residents with mobility restrictions, and not all are obvious. Be grateful that you have your agility and senses. (but maybe little sense....?)[/p][/quote]Paul you still do not get it do you.... If you remove the cause of frustration and allow the majority of people to do the right thing it is amazing how people will help each other (Yes there will always be a small minority who believe they 'own' the world.... drivers, cyclists, pedestrians and dare I say it most polititians). BUT the vast majority will be mindful of all people who have to 'interface' with others and actually will help each other. Removing man made obstacles like junction traffic lights and making all entrances to a junction 'give way' will naturally make people wary and alert..... ALL users of the junction! and in the confines of the city traffic would move continously and slowly. Correct location of Zebra crossings would be wise (And in certain high footfall areas they should be controlled). What we need is lateral thinking on traffic management NOT over regulation that merely makes things worse which has the added value of increasing pollution and congestion. BUT no doubt this contrary to all the grand plans that you deem to be the solution.[/p][/quote]Well said, totally agree. JasBro
  • Score: 30

9:41pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Bailed Out says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
To the Pres Editor, why oh why is there a picture of a certain person, with the Mansion House in the background, Gives a false impression, and his delusions of Grandeur. think the response from others say the rest.
I agree, he would look far more in place flogging a second hand Fiesta with Merrett polishing same.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: To the Pres Editor, why oh why is there a picture of a certain person, with the Mansion House in the background, Gives a false impression, and his delusions of Grandeur. think the response from others say the rest.[/p][/quote]I agree, he would look far more in place flogging a second hand Fiesta with Merrett polishing same. Bailed Out
  • Score: 85

10:22pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Yorkie-Clifton says...

I love York -- I am pleased that they have not resigned . Better the Devil you know . Far better group than the previous administration . However -- Its about time the Council Officials realise that THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS . The Elected Group at the moment should flex their arm and kick a few butts , without incurring great costs . The City Executives are running this city . Not the elected Council . Cllr Merritt paid homage to the late Cllr Hills . Now he should support Cllr Alexander . OR RESIGN .
I love York -- I am pleased that they have not resigned . Better the Devil you know . Far better group than the previous administration . However -- Its about time the Council Officials realise that THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS . The Elected Group at the moment should flex their arm and kick a few butts , without incurring great costs . The City Executives are running this city . Not the elected Council . Cllr Merritt paid homage to the late Cllr Hills . Now he should support Cllr Alexander . OR RESIGN . Yorkie-Clifton
  • Score: 30

10:29pm Fri 18 Jul 14

courier46 says...

Yorkie-Clifton wrote:
I love York -- I am pleased that they have not resigned . Better the Devil you know . Far better group than the previous administration . However -- Its about time the Council Officials realise that THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS . The Elected Group at the moment should flex their arm and kick a few butts , without incurring great costs . The City Executives are running this city . Not the elected Council . Cllr Merritt paid homage to the late Cllr Hills . Now he should support Cllr Alexander . OR RESIGN .
Hee Hee ,WHAT?
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie-Clifton[/bold] wrote: I love York -- I am pleased that they have not resigned . Better the Devil you know . Far better group than the previous administration . However -- Its about time the Council Officials realise that THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS . The Elected Group at the moment should flex their arm and kick a few butts , without incurring great costs . The City Executives are running this city . Not the elected Council . Cllr Merritt paid homage to the late Cllr Hills . Now he should support Cllr Alexander . OR RESIGN .[/p][/quote]Hee Hee ,WHAT? courier46
  • Score: 320

10:54pm Fri 18 Jul 14

jay, york says...

gmsgop wrote:
Oaklands Resident wrote: Apparently Levene admitted last night that the council HAS NOT agreed to refund Lendal Bridge fines despite what he said on TV and a media release on the Council web site which starts "The Council has decided to refund people who received a fine during the trial traffic regulation of Lendal Bridge". He doesn't know how much any refund scheme would cost and a decision on the fines refunds will be taken at a meeting"shortly"
Oh - on the council web site - there is a press release dated 14th July saying -- "the council has decided to refund..... " very clear- needless to say I have a copy of this which I can use to report yet another decision taken illegally by James and pals. Clearly they haven't got it yet - it is a key decision - there is a process - a democratic process - because we are not in a dictatorship. We pay lawyers, directors and a chief executive to make sure the law is obeyed and democracy respected - but again decision made no process. Here we go again - I'll start with the auditors - internal and external, again..... It's getting boring 5 times now in last 3 months ----- Gwen Swinburn
Spot on again Gwen - keep up your excellent work. This lot have to be stopped and we - as their paymasters - need to know exactly what they are getting up to. I have never come across such obvious and apparent corruption before.
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: Apparently Levene admitted last night that the council HAS NOT agreed to refund Lendal Bridge fines despite what he said on TV and a media release on the Council web site which starts "The Council has decided to refund people who received a fine during the trial traffic regulation of Lendal Bridge". He doesn't know how much any refund scheme would cost and a decision on the fines refunds will be taken at a meeting"shortly"[/p][/quote]Oh - on the council web site - there is a press release dated 14th July saying -- "the council has decided to refund..... " very clear- needless to say I have a copy of this which I can use to report yet another decision taken illegally by James and pals. Clearly they haven't got it yet - it is a key decision - there is a process - a democratic process - because we are not in a dictatorship. We pay lawyers, directors and a chief executive to make sure the law is obeyed and democracy respected - but again decision made no process. Here we go again - I'll start with the auditors - internal and external, again..... It's getting boring 5 times now in last 3 months ----- Gwen Swinburn[/p][/quote]Spot on again Gwen - keep up your excellent work. This lot have to be stopped and we - as their paymasters - need to know exactly what they are getting up to. I have never come across such obvious and apparent corruption before. jay, york
  • Score: 1130

11:27pm Fri 18 Jul 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Late start for the score adjusting thing tonight. Bit too late my friend I think everyone will have seen the true feelings of readers by now and your efforts will be wasted. Just thought I would take the trouble to recognise your efforts though as I know you like me to mention your work.
Late start for the score adjusting thing tonight. Bit too late my friend I think everyone will have seen the true feelings of readers by now and your efforts will be wasted. Just thought I would take the trouble to recognise your efforts though as I know you like me to mention your work. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 55

12:02am Sat 19 Jul 14

eeoodares says...

All I can say is that Mr Alexander is the epitome of Rik Mayall's portrayal of a Tory MP....hmmm.....what was his name, alan .........?


And, no Jimbo, that was not a complement. Hang on in kid, you will guarantee that there will be no Liebour presence in York for a generation.
All I can say is that Mr Alexander is the epitome of Rik Mayall's portrayal of a Tory MP....hmmm.....what was his name, alan .........? And, no Jimbo, that was not a complement. Hang on in kid, you will guarantee that there will be no Liebour presence in York for a generation. eeoodares
  • Score: 85

12:37am Sat 19 Jul 14

Dr Martin says...

Dr Martin wrote:
m dee wrote:
Whats going on with the votes ?
someone showing off again
I suppose I tempted fate my score was +12 now -414

A bit of a joke really that's not that funny
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: Whats going on with the votes ?[/p][/quote]someone showing off again[/p][/quote]I suppose I tempted fate my score was +12 now -414 A bit of a joke really that's not that funny Dr Martin
  • Score: 65

9:09am Sat 19 Jul 14

julia brica says...

Dr Brian wrote:
Devils_advocate wrote:
On numerous occasions and from numerous different contributors I have seen comments along the lines of "I for one will not be voting for Labour in the next local election" .... so who will you be voting for?

I suspect that Labour may well get in again because a protest vote tends to take the form of either abstaining or voting for a minority party that hardly registers in the political arena.
I think many Labour voters may vote tactically in an effort to get Alexander out of power. Many of us could / would never vote Tory but Alexander is so bad even I would consider voting for them if I felt it would get Alexander out!

Pity the poor sods who get him next though as a prospective member of parliament!
I am looking forward to following the illustrious career of our esteem leader.
It should be very interesting as to where and how much authority he is afforded by the Labour Party.

Alternatively it will be interesting to see if they recognise just how much of a completely dangerous twit he is and send him back to Jessops.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Devils_advocate[/bold] wrote: On numerous occasions and from numerous different contributors I have seen comments along the lines of "I for one will not be voting for Labour in the next local election" .... so who will you be voting for? I suspect that Labour may well get in again because a protest vote tends to take the form of either abstaining or voting for a minority party that hardly registers in the political arena.[/p][/quote]I think many Labour voters may vote tactically in an effort to get Alexander out of power. Many of us could / would never vote Tory but Alexander is so bad even I would consider voting for them if I felt it would get Alexander out! Pity the poor sods who get him next though as a prospective member of parliament![/p][/quote]I am looking forward to following the illustrious career of our esteem leader. It should be very interesting as to where and how much authority he is afforded by the Labour Party. Alternatively it will be interesting to see if they recognise just how much of a completely dangerous twit he is and send him back to Jessops. julia brica
  • Score: 45

10:23am Sat 19 Jul 14

Yorkborneinbse says...

Just yet another example of the Shambolic, incompetent leadeship and Governance of York. The Council of elected members appear not to be able to deliver much for us, with any degree of success nor free from contraversy and anger caused through their incompetence. What angers me most, is their ignorance of the waste they create, yet continue to seek publicity, with their odious faces printed in the press, looking satisfied, happy and self centered. JA, TSL, the lot of them are rotten and need disposing of. When that happens, and the similiarly odious PP has recognised he blindly misrepresents his cause and disappears from these forums, York will begin to be a better place.
Just yet another example of the Shambolic, incompetent leadeship and Governance of York. The Council of elected members appear not to be able to deliver much for us, with any degree of success nor free from contraversy and anger caused through their incompetence. What angers me most, is their ignorance of the waste they create, yet continue to seek publicity, with their odious faces printed in the press, looking satisfied, happy and self centered. JA, TSL, the lot of them are rotten and need disposing of. When that happens, and the similiarly odious PP has recognised he blindly misrepresents his cause and disappears from these forums, York will begin to be a better place. Yorkborneinbse
  • Score: 392

10:45am Sat 19 Jul 14

mack says...

And then by a happy coincidence, our esteemed council are allowing rickshaws to crawl around the city. I suppose they have to get back at motorists somehow after Lendal Bridgegate.
And then by a happy coincidence, our esteemed council are allowing rickshaws to crawl around the city. I suppose they have to get back at motorists somehow after Lendal Bridgegate. mack
  • Score: 787

4:28pm Sat 19 Jul 14

lostand found says...

whitehorse wrote:
We don't give a **** about the democratic process of the council. We don't care about the party having faith in these two. We care about them having the pride and guts to realise that they have let down the local electorate. They need to volunteer to leave. And they need to do it soon.
Agree total 100% as do most of York people!
[quote][p][bold]whitehorse[/bold] wrote: We don't give a **** about the democratic process of the council. We don't care about the party having faith in these two. We care about them having the pride and guts to realise that they have let down the local electorate. They need to volunteer to leave. And they need to do it soon.[/p][/quote]Agree total 100% as do most of York people! lostand found
  • Score: 27

4:32pm Sat 19 Jul 14

lostand found says...

Cllrs Alexander and Merrett have failed us all!!

Dave Merrett said if Lendal Bridge trial fails he will leave.
Dave we are all waiting with baited breath!
We will all help pack your bags
Cllrs Alexander and Merrett have failed us all!! Dave Merrett said if Lendal Bridge trial fails he will leave. Dave we are all waiting with baited breath! We will all help pack your bags lostand found
  • Score: 12

9:29pm Sat 19 Jul 14

piaggio1 says...

Would really like to know who.s in charge of the brown envelopes. !!!!!!
Oh don.t worry . They do exist....
Would really like to know who.s in charge of the brown envelopes. !!!!!! Oh don.t worry . They do exist.... piaggio1
  • Score: -34

8:03pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Dr Martin says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
m dee wrote:
Whats going on with the votes ?
someone showing off again
I suppose I tempted fate my score was +12 now -414

A bit of a joke really that's not that funny
mark down monkey replaced by mark up monkey
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: Whats going on with the votes ?[/p][/quote]someone showing off again[/p][/quote]I suppose I tempted fate my score was +12 now -414 A bit of a joke really that's not that funny[/p][/quote]mark down monkey replaced by mark up monkey Dr Martin
  • Score: 0
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