UPDATED: Council leader James Alexander faces calls to resign over Lendal Bridge

York Press: Lendal Bridge Lendal Bridge

THE leader of York Council is facing calls to resign after it was agreed almost 60,000 motorists fined for driving over Lendal Bridge can be refunded.

Controversial traffic restrictions were introduced on Lendal Bridge last August which saw some 56,000 drivers issued penalty notices amounting to £1.3 million. Additional costs for setting up the project were in the region of £500,000. A City of York spokeswoman has said they cannot yet anticipate the cost of repaying the fines.

The trial was abandoned in April after an independent review found the council may have acted unlawfully.

On Friday, City of York Council confirmed it was working on a process to allow motorists to claim back their fine. An application will have to be made for refunds to be given as "a statement of goodwill" and will not be volunteered as that would legally say the scheme was wrong.

Leader of the council, Cllr James Alexander said City of York Council had been contesting the traffic adjudicator's challenge to both the Lendal Bridge and Coppergate schemes but will will now only continue to contest the Coppergate order.

The Liberal Democrats have said the decision is reason for Cllr Alexander, of the Labour party, to resign.

Cllr Keith Aspden, leader of York's Liberal Democrats, said: "The closure of Lendal Bridge was botched from start to finish and has done deep reputational damage to York.

"As well as repaying the fines, Labour should apologise to the residents, visitors and businesses caught out by the unlawful closure. They need to explain how the repayment process will work and what effect this decision will have on council budgets. They also need to accept our calls for a full scrutiny review of the trial so that all lessons are learnt.

"What is clear though is that ultimate responsibility for the shambles sits with the Council Leader James Alexander and I, along with many taxpayers, will now expect him to recognise this and resign."

Meanwhile, Cllr Paul Doughty, a conservative councillor for Strensall ward, said: "Now finally, not before time, they are forced to repay the fines yet still manage to dig the knife in as the ultimate penalty is paid by the York taxpayer who has to pick up the bill. Not only for the hundreds of thousands to repay fines but also the massive cost it will take to administer, the affect on services this may have as well as the city's reputation which they leave in tatters.

"Cllr Alexander even has the gall to say, 'all parties told me they want to move on'. Indeed but he cannot be so naive to believe others will share his administrations blame. In any other industry, heads would roll."

He suggested senior figures at the council should resign.

Cllr Alexander declined to comment at the weekend, beyond saying: "When Liberal Democrats back the cause of Conservatives, that speaks volumes."

Conservative leader Cllr Chris Steward said  "heads should roll" over the matter and said officers should be answerable. He said the matter was of great reputational and financial cost to York.

A Labour spokesman said Conservatives had previously called for a bridge closure and that it had also been in previous Liberal Democrat transport plans.

Yesterday, Frank Wood, chair of York Retail Forum, said about 80 per cent of people fined were visitors and unlikely to find out about the refund.

The other 20 per cent would be “left with a bad taste in their mouth” over the issue.

“The damage has been done to the city and I hope we can recover from that.”

Nigel Rhodes, whose appeal against a fine for driving along Coppergate sparked the Traffic Penalty Tribunal finding, was disappointed the council was continuing with the Coppergate appeal, but added: “I’m glad people will get their money back for Lendal Bridge but... how will they find out they need to appeal? It’s all wrong.”

Councillor Alexander had said on Friday that the council decided to refund people who applied to the council “as a statement of goodwill” due to the level of public concern during the trial, adding: “We are drawing a line under the matter.”

Councillor David Levene, Cabinet Member for Transport, stressed the Lendal trial aimed to tackle congestion, improve air quality and support improvements for bus users, cyclists and pedestrians. “The trial has provided us with vital data regarding these issues and we can now move forward.”

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11:58am Sat 12 Jul 14

only human says...

The whole lot should resign,these people have no shame .Once they get a bit of power,be it in transport,Education,
Adult serivces or Housing they just lose all grip on reality.
There have been some monumental cockups in recent times from lower to middle managemant up and no one seems to be accountable other than front line staff.
Sack them all and replace with people who can prove their worth with no secrets and no lies and missing files !!!!!
The whole lot should resign,these people have no shame .Once they get a bit of power,be it in transport,Education, Adult serivces or Housing they just lose all grip on reality. There have been some monumental cockups in recent times from lower to middle managemant up and no one seems to be accountable other than front line staff. Sack them all and replace with people who can prove their worth with no secrets and no lies and missing files !!!!! only human
  • Score: 1148

12:00pm Sat 12 Jul 14

pedalling paul says...

Oh children..........ch
ildren! Indulging in the luxury of opposition again. You know in your own hearts that only radical transport policies will stop York from choking. I hope that you all attend the planned Congestion Commission with consensus uppermost in your minds. We've recently managed to stabilise peak car use, but the threat of further increase is ever present and must be resisted, to allow those who need to use a motor vehicle to continue to do so. Get your electoral blinkers off now.
Oh children..........ch ildren! Indulging in the luxury of opposition again. You know in your own hearts that only radical transport policies will stop York from choking. I hope that you all attend the planned Congestion Commission with consensus uppermost in your minds. We've recently managed to stabilise peak car use, but the threat of further increase is ever present and must be resisted, to allow those who need to use a motor vehicle to continue to do so. Get your electoral blinkers off now. pedalling paul
  • Score: 955

12:04pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Jack Ham says...

You can measure a person by how the react to pressure and James Alexander's reaction in this article simply disgusting. Self serving publicity and grandiose ideas of his ability got him, and us, into this mess.

Don't forget Kersten England though. However much he shouts, James could not have done any of this without her willing support.

Joined in power, joined in their downfall. Their end is coming but will it be soon enough to save what little self-respect CYC still has?
You can measure a person by how the react to pressure and James Alexander's reaction in this article simply disgusting. Self serving publicity and grandiose ideas of his ability got him, and us, into this mess. Don't forget Kersten England though. However much he shouts, James could not have done any of this without her willing support. Joined in power, joined in their downfall. Their end is coming but will it be soon enough to save what little self-respect CYC still has? Jack Ham
  • Score: 1089

12:06pm Sat 12 Jul 14

chelk says...

Conscience or integrity does not exist with this Labour Council as common sense does not exist for peddlingpaul see he is still spouting his verbal diarrhea trying to wind people up
Conscience or integrity does not exist with this Labour Council as common sense does not exist for peddlingpaul see he is still spouting his verbal diarrhea trying to wind people up chelk
  • Score: 1480

12:08pm Sat 12 Jul 14

inthesticks says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Oh children..........ch

ildren! Indulging in the luxury of opposition again. You know in your own hearts that only radical transport policies will stop York from choking. I hope that you all attend the planned Congestion Commission with consensus uppermost in your minds. We've recently managed to stabilise peak car use, but the threat of further increase is ever present and must be resisted, to allow those who need to use a motor vehicle to continue to do so. Get your electoral blinkers off now.
This is a political point PP, its about mismanagement and poor legal advice. Now have you something to say about the whole incompetent fiasco and how it was managed, without saying `car users paradise` if you can.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh children..........ch ildren! Indulging in the luxury of opposition again. You know in your own hearts that only radical transport policies will stop York from choking. I hope that you all attend the planned Congestion Commission with consensus uppermost in your minds. We've recently managed to stabilise peak car use, but the threat of further increase is ever present and must be resisted, to allow those who need to use a motor vehicle to continue to do so. Get your electoral blinkers off now.[/p][/quote]This is a political point PP, its about mismanagement and poor legal advice. Now have you something to say about the whole incompetent fiasco and how it was managed, without saying `car users paradise` if you can. inthesticks
  • Score: 1252

12:19pm Sat 12 Jul 14

eeoodares says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Oh children..........ch

ildren! Indulging in the luxury of opposition again. You know in your own hearts that only radical transport policies will stop York from choking. I hope that you all attend the planned Congestion Commission with consensus uppermost in your minds. We've recently managed to stabilise peak car use, but the threat of further increase is ever present and must be resisted, to allow those who need to use a motor vehicle to continue to do so. Get your electoral blinkers off now.
Apart from Alexander, you are probably one of the most disliked people in this City. Patronising people does not help you cause.

I was always pro-cyclists, you and your council colleagues have managed to make me and half a City resent cyclists due to your blinkered totalitarian view of cycling.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh children..........ch ildren! Indulging in the luxury of opposition again. You know in your own hearts that only radical transport policies will stop York from choking. I hope that you all attend the planned Congestion Commission with consensus uppermost in your minds. We've recently managed to stabilise peak car use, but the threat of further increase is ever present and must be resisted, to allow those who need to use a motor vehicle to continue to do so. Get your electoral blinkers off now.[/p][/quote]Apart from Alexander, you are probably one of the most disliked people in this City. Patronising people does not help you cause. I was always pro-cyclists, you and your council colleagues have managed to make me and half a City resent cyclists due to your blinkered totalitarian view of cycling. eeoodares
  • Score: 1143

12:23pm Sat 12 Jul 14

offa says...

I find all this very sad. It was great walking through Exhibition Square, Museum Street and across the bridge when the traffic wasn't there.

Those who support the status quo seem to be happy to have York polluted, sitting in their little tin boxes.

I'm no supporter of the Labour Group. There seems to have been little integrity or devotion to public service since Ken Cooper died and Alan Jones stood down. Most of the present crowd seem to be self-seeking or loony - I know a few personally and wouldn't let them shop for my dog's biscuits.
I find all this very sad. It was great walking through Exhibition Square, Museum Street and across the bridge when the traffic wasn't there. Those who support the status quo seem to be happy to have York polluted, sitting in their little tin boxes. I'm no supporter of the Labour Group. There seems to have been little integrity or devotion to public service since Ken Cooper died and Alan Jones stood down. Most of the present crowd seem to be self-seeking or loony - I know a few personally and wouldn't let them shop for my dog's biscuits. offa
  • Score: 1120

12:51pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Jack Ham says...

Since giving final approval yesterday for the press release and decision to refund what have our leaders been saying....

Kersten England has tweeted about cycling, fairness and something called tactical urbanism.

James Akexander 3 bland tweets about the trial and a guardian story about how Labour must trust local leaders.

The level of arrogance/unawarenes
s/confidence this pair display is staggering. Considering the vast sums we pay for the communications and media team at CYC perhaps they should be the next lot looked at for competence and effectiveness!
Since giving final approval yesterday for the press release and decision to refund what have our leaders been saying.... Kersten England has tweeted about cycling, fairness and something called tactical urbanism. James Akexander 3 bland tweets about the trial and a guardian story about how Labour must trust local leaders. The level of arrogance/unawarenes s/confidence this pair display is staggering. Considering the vast sums we pay for the communications and media team at CYC perhaps they should be the next lot looked at for competence and effectiveness! Jack Ham
  • Score: 1252

1:09pm Sat 12 Jul 14

strangebuttrue? says...

And I thought the score adjuster had been foiled. Seems to be a bit more selective now.
And I thought the score adjuster had been foiled. Seems to be a bit more selective now. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 1055

1:09pm Sat 12 Jul 14

CHISSY1 says...

You should all be thankful of York Council.It gives all you people who do not have hobbies or get out much,something to whine about.
You should all be thankful of York Council.It gives all you people who do not have hobbies or get out much,something to whine about. CHISSY1
  • Score: 1048

1:11pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Waspish1 says...

How much of my hard-earned council tax has been wasted on this vanity project? I would like to know where the money to pay for the staff to administer the refunds will come from. The irony is that in all the time the Coppergate restrictions have been in place the council have never seemed to have the will to 'police' them so that the regulations were openly flaunted hundreds of times a day.
How much of my hard-earned council tax has been wasted on this vanity project? I would like to know where the money to pay for the staff to administer the refunds will come from. The irony is that in all the time the Coppergate restrictions have been in place the council have never seemed to have the will to 'police' them so that the regulations were openly flaunted hundreds of times a day. Waspish1
  • Score: 1108

1:22pm Sat 12 Jul 14

A.P.Feeders says...

The person responsible for the closure of beckfield lane tip should go as well it causes chaos for the people this side of the city to dispose of rubbish.lets hope come 2015 the people of York can dispose of the rubbish in charge
The person responsible for the closure of beckfield lane tip should go as well it causes chaos for the people this side of the city to dispose of rubbish.lets hope come 2015 the people of York can dispose of the rubbish in charge A.P.Feeders
  • Score: 1049

1:24pm Sat 12 Jul 14

marvell says...

What's the betting that James Alexander will resign then move out of York and find a safe Labour Parliamentary seat somewhere where nobody knows him...
What's the betting that James Alexander will resign then move out of York and find a safe Labour Parliamentary seat somewhere where nobody knows him... marvell
  • Score: 1071

1:27pm Sat 12 Jul 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Although no fan of James you have to ask are we barking up the wrong tree here. Lets not forget that the man who introduced this was Mr Merrett. Was that not the same man who said he would resign if he was wrong about the legality of the fines?

Mr Merrett has been messing with Yorks roads since 2006 (yes when the Liberals were in office) as chair of the committees on all things transport in York with his blatant anti car measures. Lendal Bridge was just one more of his measures. In that same time pollution has risen by as much as 48% with no increase in the volume of traffic.

At least James listened to someone, though I think it my have been his party members rather than York's residents, and put a stop to this silly scheme whilst Mr Merrett once again appears to be hiding in the shadows pulling the strings and waiting for his next opportunity to inflict more traffic misery on the residents of York.
Although no fan of James you have to ask are we barking up the wrong tree here. Lets not forget that the man who introduced this was Mr Merrett. Was that not the same man who said he would resign if he was wrong about the legality of the fines? Mr Merrett has been messing with Yorks roads since 2006 (yes when the Liberals were in office) as chair of the committees on all things transport in York with his blatant anti car measures. Lendal Bridge was just one more of his measures. In that same time pollution has risen by as much as 48% with no increase in the volume of traffic. At least James listened to someone, though I think it my have been his party members rather than York's residents, and put a stop to this silly scheme whilst Mr Merrett once again appears to be hiding in the shadows pulling the strings and waiting for his next opportunity to inflict more traffic misery on the residents of York. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 1023

1:34pm Sat 12 Jul 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Another point to note is that the Liberals say "The closure of Lendal Bridge was botched from start to finish" They don't say the closure was wrong just the way it was done so we had best read the manifestoes next time before we vote.
Another point to note is that the Liberals say "The closure of Lendal Bridge was botched from start to finish" They don't say the closure was wrong just the way it was done so we had best read the manifestoes next time before we vote. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 1130

1:37pm Sat 12 Jul 14

nearlyman says...

They should all decline their expenses in order to pay back the long suffering residents of this once fine City.
They should all decline their expenses in order to pay back the long suffering residents of this once fine City. nearlyman
  • Score: 954

1:46pm Sat 12 Jul 14

strangebuttrue? says...

And just one more comment for the score adjuster here to keep its little fingers working hard as I can see it is working as I type.

Mr Merrett Should resign.
And just one more comment for the score adjuster here to keep its little fingers working hard as I can see it is working as I type. Mr Merrett Should resign. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 595

1:47pm Sat 12 Jul 14

MorkofYork says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Oh children..........ch

ildren! Indulging in the luxury of opposition again. You know in your own hearts that only radical transport policies will stop York from choking. I hope that you all attend the planned Congestion Commission with consensus uppermost in your minds. We've recently managed to stabilise peak car use, but the threat of further increase is ever present and must be resisted, to allow those who need to use a motor vehicle to continue to do so. Get your electoral blinkers off now.
You've done nothing but discriminate, cause more congestion, and be completely ignorant to the problems caused and failures throughout.

We're always going to have a rush hour, the traffic either side isn't bad at all. You're taking something that's pretty much unavoidable and trying to use it to ram your ideology through.

The support for the TDF shows people are using their cars with good reason.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh children..........ch ildren! Indulging in the luxury of opposition again. You know in your own hearts that only radical transport policies will stop York from choking. I hope that you all attend the planned Congestion Commission with consensus uppermost in your minds. We've recently managed to stabilise peak car use, but the threat of further increase is ever present and must be resisted, to allow those who need to use a motor vehicle to continue to do so. Get your electoral blinkers off now.[/p][/quote]You've done nothing but discriminate, cause more congestion, and be completely ignorant to the problems caused and failures throughout. We're always going to have a rush hour, the traffic either side isn't bad at all. You're taking something that's pretty much unavoidable and trying to use it to ram your ideology through. The support for the TDF shows people are using their cars with good reason. MorkofYork
  • Score: 487

1:57pm Sat 12 Jul 14

AnotherPointofView says...

eeoodares wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Oh children..........ch


ildren! Indulging in the luxury of opposition again. You know in your own hearts that only radical transport policies will stop York from choking. I hope that you all attend the planned Congestion Commission with consensus uppermost in your minds. We've recently managed to stabilise peak car use, but the threat of further increase is ever present and must be resisted, to allow those who need to use a motor vehicle to continue to do so. Get your electoral blinkers off now.
Apart from Alexander, you are probably one of the most disliked people in this City. Patronising people does not help you cause.

I was always pro-cyclists, you and your council colleagues have managed to make me and half a City resent cyclists due to your blinkered totalitarian view of cycling.
Spot on with this comment. Peddlin'Prat gets up so many peoples noses with his inane "car users paradise" etc etc. Most people seem to take attitudes against cyclists in this city largely because of the nonsense he spouts. He couldn't do a better job of promoting ANTI cycling attitudes if he tried!

Remember PP there are huge numbers of peple who are BOTH car users and cyclists.

As for Jimmy and his merry band, you haven't got an ounce of self respect in you. Take your cronies and get out of town now.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh children..........ch ildren! Indulging in the luxury of opposition again. You know in your own hearts that only radical transport policies will stop York from choking. I hope that you all attend the planned Congestion Commission with consensus uppermost in your minds. We've recently managed to stabilise peak car use, but the threat of further increase is ever present and must be resisted, to allow those who need to use a motor vehicle to continue to do so. Get your electoral blinkers off now.[/p][/quote]Apart from Alexander, you are probably one of the most disliked people in this City. Patronising people does not help you cause. I was always pro-cyclists, you and your council colleagues have managed to make me and half a City resent cyclists due to your blinkered totalitarian view of cycling.[/p][/quote]Spot on with this comment. Peddlin'Prat gets up so many peoples noses with his inane "car users paradise" etc etc. Most people seem to take attitudes against cyclists in this city largely because of the nonsense he spouts. He couldn't do a better job of promoting ANTI cycling attitudes if he tried! Remember PP there are huge numbers of peple who are BOTH car users and cyclists. As for Jimmy and his merry band, you haven't got an ounce of self respect in you. Take your cronies and get out of town now. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 175

1:58pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Yorkieand says...

eeoodares wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Oh children..........ch


ildren! Indulging in the luxury of opposition again. You know in your own hearts that only radical transport policies will stop York from choking. I hope that you all attend the planned Congestion Commission with consensus uppermost in your minds. We've recently managed to stabilise peak car use, but the threat of further increase is ever present and must be resisted, to allow those who need to use a motor vehicle to continue to do so. Get your electoral blinkers off now.
Apart from Alexander, you are probably one of the most disliked people in this City. Patronising people does not help you cause.

I was always pro-cyclists, you and your council colleagues have managed to make me and half a City resent cyclists due to your blinkered totalitarian view of cycling.
Come off it! You don't go from being pro cyclists to your current view because of a handful of people you have probably never met. I think it more likely that your current views have always been your position.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh children..........ch ildren! Indulging in the luxury of opposition again. You know in your own hearts that only radical transport policies will stop York from choking. I hope that you all attend the planned Congestion Commission with consensus uppermost in your minds. We've recently managed to stabilise peak car use, but the threat of further increase is ever present and must be resisted, to allow those who need to use a motor vehicle to continue to do so. Get your electoral blinkers off now.[/p][/quote]Apart from Alexander, you are probably one of the most disliked people in this City. Patronising people does not help you cause. I was always pro-cyclists, you and your council colleagues have managed to make me and half a City resent cyclists due to your blinkered totalitarian view of cycling.[/p][/quote]Come off it! You don't go from being pro cyclists to your current view because of a handful of people you have probably never met. I think it more likely that your current views have always been your position. Yorkieand
  • Score: 5

2:16pm Sat 12 Jul 14

pedalling paul says...

Rants over for the moment? The current Local Transport Plan 3 was signed off by Steve Galloway on behalf of the LibDems when they held office. That mooted the closure of one of York's three bridges to private cars. Somewhere along the way, the recommendation changed from Ouse Bridge to Lensal Bridge, but the seeds of an experiment had been sown by the time Labour took control.
I wonder how many commentators agree with the principle of a bridge closure, but remain concerned about Lendal's implementation. Again Councillors are generally not legal experts and must take the best available advice from Officers.
But throughout this thread, I've not seen another contributor who is prepared to seriously and positively address the threat of future gridlock that still hangs over York like a sword of damocles. Solutions please trhat are not based on mass private car use. That is the scenario which the forthcoming Congestion Commission must also address.
Rants over for the moment? The current Local Transport Plan 3 was signed off by Steve Galloway on behalf of the LibDems when they held office. That mooted the closure of one of York's three bridges to private cars. Somewhere along the way, the recommendation changed from Ouse Bridge to Lensal Bridge, but the seeds of an experiment had been sown by the time Labour took control. I wonder how many commentators agree with the principle of a bridge closure, but remain concerned about Lendal's implementation. Again Councillors are generally not legal experts and must take the best available advice from Officers. But throughout this thread, I've not seen another contributor who is prepared to seriously and positively address the threat of future gridlock that still hangs over York like a sword of damocles. Solutions please trhat are not based on mass private car use. That is the scenario which the forthcoming Congestion Commission must also address. pedalling paul
  • Score: 90

2:19pm Sat 12 Jul 14

oracale1 says...

Alexander
Get your application in for Poundland because that's your next job.
How the mighty are fallen.
Alexander Get your application in for Poundland because that's your next job. How the mighty are fallen. oracale1
  • Score: -50

2:23pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Justin7 says...

It's a nightmare, but imagine the others being in charge. It would be 10 times worse!
It's a nightmare, but imagine the others being in charge. It would be 10 times worse! Justin7
  • Score: -161

2:30pm Sat 12 Jul 14

AnotherPointofView says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Rants over for the moment? The current Local Transport Plan 3 was signed off by Steve Galloway on behalf of the LibDems when they held office. That mooted the closure of one of York's three bridges to private cars. Somewhere along the way, the recommendation changed from Ouse Bridge to Lensal Bridge, but the seeds of an experiment had been sown by the time Labour took control.
I wonder how many commentators agree with the principle of a bridge closure, but remain concerned about Lendal's implementation. Again Councillors are generally not legal experts and must take the best available advice from Officers.
But throughout this thread, I've not seen another contributor who is prepared to seriously and positively address the threat of future gridlock that still hangs over York like a sword of damocles. Solutions please trhat are not based on mass private car use. That is the scenario which the forthcoming Congestion Commission must also address.
Rants over? NO. The closure of Lendal Bridge cost me a lot of money and some customers, so why shouldn't I be angry at the (illegal) closure of LB.

The road bridges over the River Ouse should ALL remain open but clearly if any one were to shut Labour closed the wrong one.

Who is this so called congestion commission open to and how do we get a say?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Rants over for the moment? The current Local Transport Plan 3 was signed off by Steve Galloway on behalf of the LibDems when they held office. That mooted the closure of one of York's three bridges to private cars. Somewhere along the way, the recommendation changed from Ouse Bridge to Lensal Bridge, but the seeds of an experiment had been sown by the time Labour took control. I wonder how many commentators agree with the principle of a bridge closure, but remain concerned about Lendal's implementation. Again Councillors are generally not legal experts and must take the best available advice from Officers. But throughout this thread, I've not seen another contributor who is prepared to seriously and positively address the threat of future gridlock that still hangs over York like a sword of damocles. Solutions please trhat are not based on mass private car use. That is the scenario which the forthcoming Congestion Commission must also address.[/p][/quote]Rants over? NO. The closure of Lendal Bridge cost me a lot of money and some customers, so why shouldn't I be angry at the (illegal) closure of LB. The road bridges over the River Ouse should ALL remain open but clearly if any one were to shut Labour closed the wrong one. Who is this so called congestion commission open to and how do we get a say? AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -25

2:41pm Sat 12 Jul 14

courier46 says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
You should all be thankful of York Council.It gives all you people who do not have hobbies or get out much,something to whine about.
Destruction of York is not something the people of York want,hardly whining.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: You should all be thankful of York Council.It gives all you people who do not have hobbies or get out much,something to whine about.[/p][/quote]Destruction of York is not something the people of York want,hardly whining. courier46
  • Score: -77

2:41pm Sat 12 Jul 14

piaggio1 says...

Think they zhould all be offered employment .as in WORKING ..
James= dustman
Merrit= road sweeper....mebe not..
Simply wrong = care service
All on min wage.....
Think they zhould all be offered employment .as in WORKING .. James= dustman Merrit= road sweeper....mebe not.. Simply wrong = care service All on min wage..... piaggio1
  • Score: -203

2:44pm Sat 12 Jul 14

courier46 says...

Yes Alexander must go ,but also England,Merrett Simpson Laing to get this City back to some sort of normality.
Yes Alexander must go ,but also England,Merrett Simpson Laing to get this City back to some sort of normality. courier46
  • Score: -28

2:44pm Sat 12 Jul 14

bolero says...

I won't requote PPs last posting because it is absolute rubbish. No substance and badly written. Congestion in York is negligible compared to some of our towns and cities. He needs to get out into the real world and see what congestion really is. He with Alexander and England should be placed in stocks on Clifton Green and pelted with rotten eggs.
I won't requote PPs last posting because it is absolute rubbish. No substance and badly written. Congestion in York is negligible compared to some of our towns and cities. He needs to get out into the real world and see what congestion really is. He with Alexander and England should be placed in stocks on Clifton Green and pelted with rotten eggs. bolero
  • Score: -158

2:52pm Sat 12 Jul 14

strangebuttrue? says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Rants over for the moment? The current Local Transport Plan 3 was signed off by Steve Galloway on behalf of the LibDems when they held office. That mooted the closure of one of York's three bridges to private cars. Somewhere along the way, the recommendation changed from Ouse Bridge to Lensal Bridge, but the seeds of an experiment had been sown by the time Labour took control.
I wonder how many commentators agree with the principle of a bridge closure, but remain concerned about Lendal's implementation. Again Councillors are generally not legal experts and must take the best available advice from Officers.
But throughout this thread, I've not seen another contributor who is prepared to seriously and positively address the threat of future gridlock that still hangs over York like a sword of damocles. Solutions please trhat are not based on mass private car use. That is the scenario which the forthcoming Congestion Commission must also address.
Rants over? NO. The closure of Lendal Bridge cost me a lot of money and some customers, so why shouldn't I be angry at the (illegal) closure of LB.

The road bridges over the River Ouse should ALL remain open but clearly if any one were to shut Labour closed the wrong one.

Who is this so called congestion commission open to and how do we get a say?
The majority of residents in York do not want any bridges closed. It was not the implementation which caused the public backlash it was the closure itself. I note the concerted effort to try to deflect blame for this silly scheme onto the implementation rather than the actual closure, just as PP is doing above, but most York residents are not that stupid as to realise this is just a tactic to try to get into peoples heads and have another go at some point this time saying the closure will be managed better.

PP keeps saying that no one comes up with solutions despite nearly every time he says this I say: -
Look at all of the anti car measures introduced by Mr Merrett since 2006 which have raised pollution by as much as 48% with no increase in the volume of traffic and take them out. This will result in a rapid decrease in congestion and pollution, get York's roads moving again and help the local economy. I take it PP will choose to ignore this once again as he knows it is a plausible solution but does not bring about the no car paradise he seeks along with his long time friend on the council.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Rants over for the moment? The current Local Transport Plan 3 was signed off by Steve Galloway on behalf of the LibDems when they held office. That mooted the closure of one of York's three bridges to private cars. Somewhere along the way, the recommendation changed from Ouse Bridge to Lensal Bridge, but the seeds of an experiment had been sown by the time Labour took control. I wonder how many commentators agree with the principle of a bridge closure, but remain concerned about Lendal's implementation. Again Councillors are generally not legal experts and must take the best available advice from Officers. But throughout this thread, I've not seen another contributor who is prepared to seriously and positively address the threat of future gridlock that still hangs over York like a sword of damocles. Solutions please trhat are not based on mass private car use. That is the scenario which the forthcoming Congestion Commission must also address.[/p][/quote]Rants over? NO. The closure of Lendal Bridge cost me a lot of money and some customers, so why shouldn't I be angry at the (illegal) closure of LB. The road bridges over the River Ouse should ALL remain open but clearly if any one were to shut Labour closed the wrong one. Who is this so called congestion commission open to and how do we get a say?[/p][/quote]The majority of residents in York do not want any bridges closed. It was not the implementation which caused the public backlash it was the closure itself. I note the concerted effort to try to deflect blame for this silly scheme onto the implementation rather than the actual closure, just as PP is doing above, but most York residents are not that stupid as to realise this is just a tactic to try to get into peoples heads and have another go at some point this time saying the closure will be managed better. PP keeps saying that no one comes up with solutions despite nearly every time he says this I say: - Look at all of the anti car measures introduced by Mr Merrett since 2006 which have raised pollution by as much as 48% with no increase in the volume of traffic and take them out. This will result in a rapid decrease in congestion and pollution, get York's roads moving again and help the local economy. I take it PP will choose to ignore this once again as he knows it is a plausible solution but does not bring about the no car paradise he seeks along with his long time friend on the council. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -430

3:01pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Minstermummy says...

Terrible Trio
Alexander , Merrett , Simpson Lang .. None of them have listened to what local people think about this and many other projects ( Beckfield Lane Tip Closure being one of them )
A lot of people who voted Labour are unhappy about these councillors and their attitudes .. Those who opposed them have been deselected for not towing party line .. It isn't party line they didn't follow .. It's these 3 power and fame mad Councillors ruining this City they didn't follow and I hope residents their wards stop doing the same next May and don't vote them back in .
I thought Galloway and his wife were bad enough but this terrible Trio are even worse !
Xx
Terrible Trio Alexander , Merrett , Simpson Lang .. None of them have listened to what local people think about this and many other projects ( Beckfield Lane Tip Closure being one of them ) A lot of people who voted Labour are unhappy about these councillors and their attitudes .. Those who opposed them have been deselected for not towing party line .. It isn't party line they didn't follow .. It's these 3 power and fame mad Councillors ruining this City they didn't follow and I hope residents their wards stop doing the same next May and don't vote them back in . I thought Galloway and his wife were bad enough but this terrible Trio are even worse ! Xx Minstermummy
  • Score: -276

3:05pm Sat 12 Jul 14

CHISSY1 says...

courier46 wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
You should all be thankful of York Council.It gives all you people who do not have hobbies or get out much,something to whine about.
Destruction of York is not something the people of York want,hardly whining.
And on and on it goes.We are having a barbecue today and every now and again we have a look to see what comments are being posted,killing ourselves laughing.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: You should all be thankful of York Council.It gives all you people who do not have hobbies or get out much,something to whine about.[/p][/quote]Destruction of York is not something the people of York want,hardly whining.[/p][/quote]And on and on it goes.We are having a barbecue today and every now and again we have a look to see what comments are being posted,killing ourselves laughing. CHISSY1
  • Score: 120

3:09pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Couple of things.

this once fine City.

UKIP rhetoric akin to "Once Great Britain"
This city is Mighty Fine.
This city shone and looked fantastic incredible and amazing for the TdF last week all over our nation's and the world's media.
It looks wonderful this week all bathed in sunshine with so many visitors.

Destruction of York

Hyperbole.
Unless JA and KE are secretly stockpiling missiles or testing chemical weapons? Maybe they've hatched a plan to move us to the Pacific where we can be at the mercy of typhoons and tsunamis?
Small town politics ain't never gonna be the "destruction" of York.
Couple of things. [quote] this once fine City.[/quote] UKIP rhetoric akin to "Once Great Britain" This city is Mighty Fine. This city shone and looked fantastic incredible and amazing for the TdF last week all over our nation's and the world's media. It looks wonderful this week all bathed in sunshine with so many visitors. [quote]Destruction of York[/quote] Hyperbole. Unless JA and KE are secretly stockpiling missiles or testing chemical weapons? Maybe they've hatched a plan to move us to the Pacific where we can be at the mercy of typhoons and tsunamis? Small town politics ain't never gonna be the "destruction" of York. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 215

3:16pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Martin true Viking says...

I wrote a letter to Alexander 5 months ago questioning his and the other leaders commitment to the good of the city of York. To my surprise he turned up at my door one Saturday to discuss the letter I wrote. After 2 hours he left with his tail between his legs promising to address the points in the letter he had not had time to discuss to with me. He never got back to me and left me with a sense of duty to see him and the other morons, , out of power and legally responsible for the mess they have made and the money wasted during their tenure. Maybe Alexander can join Blair solving the problems in the middle east earning millions at the same time as he is a career politician not a man of principle. GO NOW or the people of York will march you all up Micklegate throwing rotten fruit at you until you have all gone... By the way hanging French flags on the old council offices is a superb use while you sit in the new offices saving the tax payers millions in your brand new eco offices according to your press release.....
I wrote a letter to Alexander 5 months ago questioning his and the other leaders commitment to the good of the city of York. To my surprise he turned up at my door one Saturday to discuss the letter I wrote. After 2 hours he left with his tail between his legs promising to address the points in the letter he had not had time to discuss to with me. He never got back to me and left me with a sense of duty to see him and the other morons, [Merret especially], out of power and legally responsible for the mess they have made and the money wasted during their tenure. Maybe Alexander can join Blair solving the problems in the middle east earning millions at the same time as he is a career politician not a man of principle. GO NOW or the people of York will march you all up Micklegate throwing rotten fruit at you until you have all gone... By the way hanging French flags on the old council offices is a superb use while you sit in the new offices saving the tax payers millions in your brand new eco offices according to your press release..... Martin true Viking
  • Score: -104

3:19pm Sat 12 Jul 14

AnotherPointofView says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
courier46 wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
You should all be thankful of York Council.It gives all you people who do not have hobbies or get out much,something to whine about.
Destruction of York is not something the people of York want,hardly whining.
And on and on it goes.We are having a barbecue today and every now and again we have a look to see what comments are being posted,killing ourselves laughing.
Lesson: Don't feed the Troll!
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: You should all be thankful of York Council.It gives all you people who do not have hobbies or get out much,something to whine about.[/p][/quote]Destruction of York is not something the people of York want,hardly whining.[/p][/quote]And on and on it goes.We are having a barbecue today and every now and again we have a look to see what comments are being posted,killing ourselves laughing.[/p][/quote]Lesson: Don't feed the Troll! AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -100

3:19pm Sat 12 Jul 14

pedalling paul says...

What is in LTP3?

The LTP3 builds on the successes of the first two Local Transport Plans. The priority for LTP3 is to provide a high quality, well planned, fully integrated and efficiently operated transport network in order to limit, as far as possible, any future delays and to enable the city to continue to function. This is expected to be achieved through:

◦providing quality alternatives to the car to provide more choice and enable more trips to be undertaken by sustainable means.
◦improving strategic links to enhance the wider connections with the key residential and employment areas in and around York, and beyond.
◦encouraging behavioural change to maximise the use of walking, cycling and public transport and continue improving road safety
◦tackling transport emissions to reduce the release of pollutants harmful to health and the environment.
◦enhancing Public Streets and Spaces to improve the quality of life, minimise the impact of motorised traffic and encourage economic, social and cultural activity.

Ay alternative views...........or does the above all make common sense.
What is in LTP3? The LTP3 builds on the successes of the first two Local Transport Plans. The priority for LTP3 is to provide a high quality, well planned, fully integrated and efficiently operated transport network in order to limit, as far as possible, any future delays and to enable the city to continue to function. This is expected to be achieved through: ◦providing quality alternatives to the car to provide more choice and enable more trips to be undertaken by sustainable means. ◦improving strategic links to enhance the wider connections with the key residential and employment areas in and around York, and beyond. ◦encouraging behavioural change to maximise the use of walking, cycling and public transport and continue improving road safety ◦tackling transport emissions to reduce the release of pollutants harmful to health and the environment. ◦enhancing Public Streets and Spaces to improve the quality of life, minimise the impact of motorised traffic and encourage economic, social and cultural activity. Ay alternative views...........or does the above all make common sense. pedalling paul
  • Score: 95

3:24pm Sat 12 Jul 14

AnotherPointofView says...

pedalling paul wrote:
What is in LTP3?

The LTP3 builds on the successes of the first two Local Transport Plans. The priority for LTP3 is to provide a high quality, well planned, fully integrated and efficiently operated transport network in order to limit, as far as possible, any future delays and to enable the city to continue to function. This is expected to be achieved through:

◦providing quality alternatives to the car to provide more choice and enable more trips to be undertaken by sustainable means.
◦improving strategic links to enhance the wider connections with the key residential and employment areas in and around York, and beyond.
◦encouraging behavioural change to maximise the use of walking, cycling and public transport and continue improving road safety
◦tackling transport emissions to reduce the release of pollutants harmful to health and the environment.
◦enhancing Public Streets and Spaces to improve the quality of life, minimise the impact of motorised traffic and encourage economic, social and cultural activity.

Ay alternative views...........or does the above all make common sense.
No it's council gobbledygook.

Where is this so called congestion commission to found?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: What is in LTP3? The LTP3 builds on the successes of the first two Local Transport Plans. The priority for LTP3 is to provide a high quality, well planned, fully integrated and efficiently operated transport network in order to limit, as far as possible, any future delays and to enable the city to continue to function. This is expected to be achieved through: ◦providing quality alternatives to the car to provide more choice and enable more trips to be undertaken by sustainable means. ◦improving strategic links to enhance the wider connections with the key residential and employment areas in and around York, and beyond. ◦encouraging behavioural change to maximise the use of walking, cycling and public transport and continue improving road safety ◦tackling transport emissions to reduce the release of pollutants harmful to health and the environment. ◦enhancing Public Streets and Spaces to improve the quality of life, minimise the impact of motorised traffic and encourage economic, social and cultural activity. Ay alternative views...........or does the above all make common sense.[/p][/quote]No it's council gobbledygook. Where is this so called congestion commission to found? AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -85

3:40pm Sat 12 Jul 14

spottycow says...

Hope all the motorists caught up in this sue YORK CITY COUNCIL for STRESS .What a bunch off IDIOTS MR LEADER OF YORK CITY COUNCIL YOU HAVE IN YOUR INNER CIRCLE
Hope all the motorists caught up in this sue YORK CITY COUNCIL for STRESS .What a bunch off IDIOTS MR LEADER OF YORK CITY COUNCIL YOU HAVE IN YOUR INNER CIRCLE spottycow
  • Score: -33

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