Joint fight against beggars in York

York Press: Sgt Andy Godfrey, Richard Whittaker of Salvation Army, Cllr Tracey Simpson-Laing and PCSO Colin Martin, at the start of a Begging initiative, pictured on Coney Street. Sgt Andy Godfrey, Richard Whittaker of Salvation Army, Cllr Tracey Simpson-Laing and PCSO Colin Martin, at the start of a Begging initiative, pictured on Coney Street.

THE Salvation Army, council workers and the police have joined forces in a drive to stop begging on the streets in York.

Representatives from all three will be on patrol as part of a new scheme launched yesterday to combat what they call intimidating illegal begging.

The Salvation Army is accredited to give housing advice and will be offering that to people begging on the streets, while police and council staff, who will be reminding people that begging is against the law.

Charles Malarkey, who works at York Citadel Salvation Army, said the church wanted to be there for people in need.

He said: "We are, and always have been, committed to caring for people who are vulnerable or in need. As such we are well placed to offer compassionate support, as well as practical help."

The Salvation Army members will also help people begging on the street get the right benefits advice, he added.

But City of York Council is warning that its officers will work with the Department of Work and Pensions if people caught begging are found to be already receiving social security benefits.

The scheme follows the example of Humberside police, who have seen similar projects halve the number of beggars on the streets.

North Yorkshire's Inspector Charlotte Bloxham said: “There is no reason for anyone to be begging on the streets of York. There are a number of avenues of support for these individuals should they be in true need of help.

"Begging creates an atmosphere of intimidation and those involved in this illegal activity may not portray an accurate reflection of their circumstances and your kind gesture could unwittingly support a drink or drugs habit."

Sgt Andy Godfrey add: "We are speaking to residents about donating to registered charities rather than the person on the street who is probably going to spend it on drugs, alcohol or cigarettes. We get calls about beggars daily, and the ones we have spoken to don't want to go to some place that gives out food."

City of York Council cabinet member Cllr Tracey Simpson-Laing called on people not to give to beggars but to donate to charities instead.

She said: "I understand people want to be kind and give to those begging, but there are specialist organisations who can help people off the streets and any loose change is better going to them.”

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10:07am Fri 11 Jul 14

RingoStarr says...

What a malarkey! Dictionary definition: 'Informal Nonsense'.
What a malarkey! Dictionary definition: 'Informal Nonsense'. RingoStarr
  • Score: 6

10:26am Fri 11 Jul 14

York2000 says...

'Joint fight against beggars in York'

A headline worthy of the Daily Mail.
'Joint fight against beggars in York' A headline worthy of the Daily Mail. York2000
  • Score: 70

10:29am Fri 11 Jul 14

nearlyman says...

York2000 wrote:
'Joint fight against beggars in York'

A headline worthy of the Daily Mail.
No doubt one of the planks who encourages it.
[quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: 'Joint fight against beggars in York' A headline worthy of the Daily Mail.[/p][/quote]No doubt one of the planks who encourages it. nearlyman
  • Score: -19

10:31am Fri 11 Jul 14

Pedro says...

Another photo-up story - like all the other street-drinking/begg
ing/anti-social behaviour initiatives which have gone before. PR policing. Street drinkers now drink out of brown plastic bags! Some victory. Other cities actually don't put up with it full stop. Never have, never will. York thinks that as long as its only tourists being scammed it is OK. That is why some of them are here!
Another photo-up story - like all the other street-drinking/begg ing/anti-social behaviour initiatives which have gone before. PR policing. Street drinkers now drink out of brown plastic bags! Some victory. Other cities actually don't put up with it full stop. Never have, never will. York thinks that as long as its only tourists being scammed it is OK. That is why some of them are here! Pedro
  • Score: 14

10:32am Fri 11 Jul 14

Platform9 says...

Whilst they are doing the street patrols can they also clamp down on the blokes who have been flogging joke books for the past 5 years (at least?). I'm getting fed up of being harrassed twice a day on my way to work and at lunchtime .

"Have you got a sense of humour?" they ask, "No I'm from Yorkshire" is my reply - 5 years and they still persist!!!!!!

Weaving around Coney Street trying to evade these and others collecting for Third World Countries / Animal Rescue by asking for your bank details is getting annoying!

(I donate by other other means of my choice)
Whilst they are doing the street patrols can they also clamp down on the blokes who have been flogging joke books for the past 5 years (at least?). I'm getting fed up of being harrassed twice a day on my way to work and at lunchtime . "Have you got a sense of humour?" they ask, "No I'm from Yorkshire" is my reply - 5 years and they still persist!!!!!! Weaving around Coney Street trying to evade these and others collecting for Third World Countries / Animal Rescue by asking for your bank details is getting annoying! (I donate by other other means of my choice) Platform9
  • Score: 125

10:51am Fri 11 Jul 14

The Great Buda says...

nearlyman wrote:
York2000 wrote:
'Joint fight against beggars in York'

A headline worthy of the Daily Mail.
No doubt one of the planks who encourages it.
Agreed a poor headline if ever there was one.

When I first heard this on the Radio, I was secptical. However I suppose that with the Savy Army in tow at least some positive help will be offered to these people.
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: 'Joint fight against beggars in York' A headline worthy of the Daily Mail.[/p][/quote]No doubt one of the planks who encourages it.[/p][/quote]Agreed a poor headline if ever there was one. When I first heard this on the Radio, I was secptical. However I suppose that with the Savy Army in tow at least some positive help will be offered to these people. The Great Buda
  • Score: -2

10:53am Fri 11 Jul 14

markheaney2 says...

I am a taxi driver in york and see the same lazy drug ridden people scrounging every day, it has been the same for 25 years many initiatives have failed through lack of force.
I am a taxi driver in york and see the same lazy drug ridden people scrounging every day, it has been the same for 25 years many initiatives have failed through lack of force. markheaney2
  • Score: 5

10:54am Fri 11 Jul 14

Paul Simpson says...

Totally agree with Platform 9
I am sick to death of these pains near the Mansion house harrassing people, I try to weave through and dodge them as i find myself wanting to ask them is the money from this offensive **** really going to students as it was 2 sellers now it is 4 or more. No way is this not a business and why are the students not selling them. The council should look into these dodgy traders. York is turning into Edinburgh. if you have been to the fringe you will no what I mean, everyone sticking an offer in your hand or getting you to buy something. It used to be apleasure to go into town as a resident now I prefer to go out of town. Sick of buckets in your face tins rattling beggers and these clowns selling **** books.
Clean York up and I dont just mean the overflowing bins. Oh and thanks for not collecting my rubbish yesterday striking bin men, I have not had a wage rise in over 5 years but just get on with it, and I dont earn half of a teachers pay and oh they work long hours. well try 12 hour shifts on nights then you would stop moaning. 3 months holiday a year aint bad either. If they were any good they would not need teacher training days.
Totally agree with Platform 9 I am sick to death of these pains near the Mansion house harrassing people, I try to weave through and dodge them as i find myself wanting to ask them is the money from this offensive **** really going to students as it was 2 sellers now it is 4 or more. No way is this not a business and why are the students not selling them. The council should look into these dodgy traders. York is turning into Edinburgh. if you have been to the fringe you will no what I mean, everyone sticking an offer in your hand or getting you to buy something. It used to be apleasure to go into town as a resident now I prefer to go out of town. Sick of buckets in your face tins rattling beggers and these clowns selling **** books. Clean York up and I dont just mean the overflowing bins. Oh and thanks for not collecting my rubbish yesterday striking bin men, I have not had a wage rise in over 5 years but just get on with it, and I dont earn half of a teachers pay and oh they work long hours. well try 12 hour shifts on nights then you would stop moaning. 3 months holiday a year aint bad either. If they were any good they would not need teacher training days. Paul Simpson
  • Score: 33

11:20am Fri 11 Jul 14

smudge2 says...

Paul Simpson wrote:
Totally agree with Platform 9
I am sick to death of these pains near the Mansion house harrassing people, I try to weave through and dodge them as i find myself wanting to ask them is the money from this offensive **** really going to students as it was 2 sellers now it is 4 or more. No way is this not a business and why are the students not selling them. The council should look into these dodgy traders. York is turning into Edinburgh. if you have been to the fringe you will no what I mean, everyone sticking an offer in your hand or getting you to buy something. It used to be apleasure to go into town as a resident now I prefer to go out of town. Sick of buckets in your face tins rattling beggers and these clowns selling **** books.
Clean York up and I dont just mean the overflowing bins. Oh and thanks for not collecting my rubbish yesterday striking bin men, I have not had a wage rise in over 5 years but just get on with it, and I dont earn half of a teachers pay and oh they work long hours. well try 12 hour shifts on nights then you would stop moaning. 3 months holiday a year aint bad either. If they were any good they would not need teacher training days.
Not a happy bunny !!!! (But I take your point)
[quote][p][bold]Paul Simpson[/bold] wrote: Totally agree with Platform 9 I am sick to death of these pains near the Mansion house harrassing people, I try to weave through and dodge them as i find myself wanting to ask them is the money from this offensive **** really going to students as it was 2 sellers now it is 4 or more. No way is this not a business and why are the students not selling them. The council should look into these dodgy traders. York is turning into Edinburgh. if you have been to the fringe you will no what I mean, everyone sticking an offer in your hand or getting you to buy something. It used to be apleasure to go into town as a resident now I prefer to go out of town. Sick of buckets in your face tins rattling beggers and these clowns selling **** books. Clean York up and I dont just mean the overflowing bins. Oh and thanks for not collecting my rubbish yesterday striking bin men, I have not had a wage rise in over 5 years but just get on with it, and I dont earn half of a teachers pay and oh they work long hours. well try 12 hour shifts on nights then you would stop moaning. 3 months holiday a year aint bad either. If they were any good they would not need teacher training days.[/p][/quote]Not a happy bunny !!!! (But I take your point) smudge2
  • Score: 13

11:39am Fri 11 Jul 14

York1900 says...

Well some of these beggars can make £300 + a day so they are not going to stop doing it if they can get £2100 a week tax free from people and claim other benefits all because there is no trace of the money from begging
Well some of these beggars can make £300 + a day so they are not going to stop doing it if they can get £2100 a week tax free from people and claim other benefits all because there is no trace of the money from begging York1900
  • Score: 12

11:50am Fri 11 Jul 14

lexon2 says...

I, too, am intrigued by the joke book/rag magazine sellers. Do they need a licence to sell on the street? Or are they "charity collectors" and belong to a different category? From what I have been told by them, and have overheard them saying to others I think they may, at least on occasion, misrepresent what they are doing and where the money goes.
Why doesn't the press do a piece on them?
I, too, am intrigued by the joke book/rag magazine sellers. Do they need a licence to sell on the street? Or are they "charity collectors" and belong to a different category? From what I have been told by them, and have overheard them saying to others I think they may, at least on occasion, misrepresent what they are doing and where the money goes. Why doesn't the press do a piece on them? lexon2
  • Score: 58

11:53am Fri 11 Jul 14

Yorkmackem1 says...

York1900 wrote:
Well some of these beggars can make £300 + a day so they are not going to stop doing it if they can get £2100 a week tax free from people and claim other benefits all because there is no trace of the money from begging
Evidence please. Otherwise you're talking utter tripe.
[quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: Well some of these beggars can make £300 + a day so they are not going to stop doing it if they can get £2100 a week tax free from people and claim other benefits all because there is no trace of the money from begging[/p][/quote]Evidence please. Otherwise you're talking utter tripe. Yorkmackem1
  • Score: 27

12:02pm Fri 11 Jul 14

yorkandproud says...

lexon2 wrote:
I, too, am intrigued by the joke book/rag magazine sellers. Do they need a licence to sell on the street? Or are they "charity collectors" and belong to a different category? From what I have been told by them, and have overheard them saying to others I think they may, at least on occasion, misrepresent what they are doing and where the money goes.
Why doesn't the press do a piece on them?
These joke book sellers are based at the York Arms in Petergate. I don't think you need to ask where the money goes do you ? Somebody is obviously printing them, and the sellers take a cut.
[quote][p][bold]lexon2[/bold] wrote: I, too, am intrigued by the joke book/rag magazine sellers. Do they need a licence to sell on the street? Or are they "charity collectors" and belong to a different category? From what I have been told by them, and have overheard them saying to others I think they may, at least on occasion, misrepresent what they are doing and where the money goes. Why doesn't the press do a piece on them?[/p][/quote]These joke book sellers are based at the York Arms in Petergate. I don't think you need to ask where the money goes do you ? Somebody is obviously printing them, and the sellers take a cut. yorkandproud
  • Score: 17

12:04pm Fri 11 Jul 14

andyjon12 says...

Simpson-Laing and her accomplices are an absolute disgrace. Do they not know that begging is a symptom of a failing society; these vulnerable people who are forced to make a living from begging are often themselves forgotten victims of crime. I have witnessed some appalling incidents first hand - at the hands of out of control drunken jobs who it would seem act with total impunity. Never mind picking on beggars who's tackling the yobs who are a real antisocial problem for York? I am sure these people do not beg for the fun of it - how degrading it must feel for them. Beggars are victims, the activity of begging is a result of INEQUALITIES within society. It would seem that these vulnerable people are being openly demonised - orchestrated by our bigoted political establishment and the police. This process can be described as SOCIAL OTHERING - it is no different to how tyrants and dictators go about their business, trying to eradicate those who are different to them and in their minds unequal. Simpson-Laing is a hypocrite and a disgrace; she should stop attacking and criminalising these vulnerable people, even she must know this will only lead to further marginalisation.
Simpson-Laing and her accomplices are an absolute disgrace. Do they not know that begging is a symptom of a failing society; these vulnerable people who are forced to make a living from begging are often themselves forgotten victims of crime. I have witnessed some appalling incidents first hand - at the hands of out of control drunken jobs who it would seem act with total impunity. Never mind picking on beggars who's tackling the yobs who are a real antisocial problem for York? I am sure these people do not beg for the fun of it - how degrading it must feel for them. Beggars are victims, the activity of begging is a result of INEQUALITIES within society. It would seem that these vulnerable people are being openly demonised - orchestrated by our bigoted political establishment and the police. This process can be described as SOCIAL OTHERING - it is no different to how tyrants and dictators go about their business, trying to eradicate those who are different to them and in their minds unequal. Simpson-Laing is a hypocrite and a disgrace; she should stop attacking and criminalising these vulnerable people, even she must know this will only lead to further marginalisation. andyjon12
  • Score: 39

12:07pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Dave Ruddock says...

I am sure some of the homeless people are in need of support, guidance. Also as stated most are known " Beggars" so surely Police or some authority are failing the general public if an Offence is committed.

It always seems Something is done ONCE A YEAR and that,s it, as stated we all know the "Pitches" . Sally Army best of luck and clip the bobbie round the ear.
I am sure some of the homeless people are in need of support, guidance. Also as stated most are known " Beggars" so surely Police or some authority are failing the general public if an Offence is committed. It always seems Something is done ONCE A YEAR and that,s it, as stated we all know the "Pitches" . Sally Army best of luck and clip the bobbie round the ear. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -1

12:49pm Fri 11 Jul 14

ouseswimmer says...

lexon2 wrote:
I, too, am intrigued by the joke book/rag magazine sellers. Do they need a licence to sell on the street? Or are they "charity collectors" and belong to a different category? From what I have been told by them, and have overheard them saying to others I think they may, at least on occasion, misrepresent what they are doing and where the money goes.
Why doesn't the press do a piece on them?
Its a real scam. A few years ago someone realised that this loophole designed for students to sell rag mags could be used to sell a 'rag mag' style booklet. It has nothing to do with students and is all about the seller making money through a legal loophole.
[quote][p][bold]lexon2[/bold] wrote: I, too, am intrigued by the joke book/rag magazine sellers. Do they need a licence to sell on the street? Or are they "charity collectors" and belong to a different category? From what I have been told by them, and have overheard them saying to others I think they may, at least on occasion, misrepresent what they are doing and where the money goes. Why doesn't the press do a piece on them?[/p][/quote]Its a real scam. A few years ago someone realised that this loophole designed for students to sell rag mags could be used to sell a 'rag mag' style booklet. It has nothing to do with students and is all about the seller making money through a legal loophole. ouseswimmer
  • Score: 29

12:55pm Fri 11 Jul 14

/kev/null says...

markheaney2 wrote:
I am a taxi driver in york and see the same lazy drug ridden people scrounging every day, it has been the same for 25 years many initiatives have failed through lack of force.
You don't fix a drug problem with 'force'.

Although as a taxi driver in York I imagine you're well acquainted with the idea of ignoring laws on a daily basis in order to make a few quid extra.
[quote][p][bold]markheaney2[/bold] wrote: I am a taxi driver in york and see the same lazy drug ridden people scrounging every day, it has been the same for 25 years many initiatives have failed through lack of force.[/p][/quote]You don't fix a drug problem with 'force'. Although as a taxi driver in York I imagine you're well acquainted with the idea of ignoring laws on a daily basis in order to make a few quid extra. /kev/null
  • Score: 31

1:18pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

markheaney2 wrote:
I am a taxi driver in york and see the same lazy drug ridden people scrounging every day, it has been the same for 25 years many initiatives have failed through lack of force.
Anyway, enough about your colleagues, what about the people in the article?
[quote][p][bold]markheaney2[/bold] wrote: I am a taxi driver in york and see the same lazy drug ridden people scrounging every day, it has been the same for 25 years many initiatives have failed through lack of force.[/p][/quote]Anyway, enough about your colleagues, what about the people in the article? Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 26

1:49pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Stressed Out says...

Those 'gag mag' sellers don't need a licence to sell their books as they are classed as a 'publication' and as such do not come under the street trading legislation. It's like the old newspaper vendor who used to stand outside Nat West bank.
That was the answer from the council when I asked.
Be a good idea for the Press to run an in depth article about them. Can't the police take any action, the sellers can be aggressive and some are quite touchy feely. They only seem to target the younger age groups.
Those 'gag mag' sellers don't need a licence to sell their books as they are classed as a 'publication' and as such do not come under the street trading legislation. It's like the old newspaper vendor who used to stand outside Nat West bank. That was the answer from the council when I asked. Be a good idea for the Press to run an in depth article about them. Can't the police take any action, the sellers can be aggressive and some are quite touchy feely. They only seem to target the younger age groups. Stressed Out
  • Score: 18

1:53pm Fri 11 Jul 14

notpedallingpaul says...

andyjon12 wrote:
Simpson-Laing and her accomplices are an absolute disgrace. Do they not know that begging is a symptom of a failing society; these vulnerable people who are forced to make a living from begging are often themselves forgotten victims of crime. I have witnessed some appalling incidents first hand - at the hands of out of control drunken jobs who it would seem act with total impunity. Never mind picking on beggars who's tackling the yobs who are a real antisocial problem for York? I am sure these people do not beg for the fun of it - how degrading it must feel for them. Beggars are victims, the activity of begging is a result of INEQUALITIES within society. It would seem that these vulnerable people are being openly demonised - orchestrated by our bigoted political establishment and the police. This process can be described as SOCIAL OTHERING - it is no different to how tyrants and dictators go about their business, trying to eradicate those who are different to them and in their minds unequal. Simpson-Laing is a hypocrite and a disgrace; she should stop attacking and criminalising these vulnerable people, even she must know this will only lead to further marginalisation.
Are you for real?
[quote][p][bold]andyjon12[/bold] wrote: Simpson-Laing and her accomplices are an absolute disgrace. Do they not know that begging is a symptom of a failing society; these vulnerable people who are forced to make a living from begging are often themselves forgotten victims of crime. I have witnessed some appalling incidents first hand - at the hands of out of control drunken jobs who it would seem act with total impunity. Never mind picking on beggars who's tackling the yobs who are a real antisocial problem for York? I am sure these people do not beg for the fun of it - how degrading it must feel for them. Beggars are victims, the activity of begging is a result of INEQUALITIES within society. It would seem that these vulnerable people are being openly demonised - orchestrated by our bigoted political establishment and the police. This process can be described as SOCIAL OTHERING - it is no different to how tyrants and dictators go about their business, trying to eradicate those who are different to them and in their minds unequal. Simpson-Laing is a hypocrite and a disgrace; she should stop attacking and criminalising these vulnerable people, even she must know this will only lead to further marginalisation.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -18

2:15pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Kevin Turvey says...

‘Joint fight against beggars in York’
Is this a call for jihad on beggers?

I would argue that my council tax demand is ‘intimidating illegal begging’ for the use and waste that they actually put it to.


‘Charles Malarkey, who works at York Citadel Salvation Army, said the church wanted to be there for people in need.’
He said: "We are, and always have been, committed to caring for people who are vulnerable or in need. As such we are well placed to offer compassionate support, as well as practical help."

‘But City of York Council is warning that its officers will work with the Department of Work and Pensions if people caught begging are found to be already receiving social security benefits. ‘

So the sally army help them out after the council have dobbed them in to the benefits agency?
Or is it the other way round?
‘Joint fight against beggars in York’ Is this a call for jihad on beggers? I would argue that my council tax demand is ‘intimidating illegal begging’ for the use and waste that they actually put it to. ‘Charles Malarkey, who works at York Citadel Salvation Army, said the church wanted to be there for people in need.’ He said: "We are, and always have been, committed to caring for people who are vulnerable or in need. As such we are well placed to offer compassionate support, as well as practical help." ‘But City of York Council is warning that its officers will work with the Department of Work and Pensions if people caught begging are found to be already receiving social security benefits. ‘ So the sally army help them out after the council have dobbed them in to the benefits agency? Or is it the other way round? Kevin Turvey
  • Score: 21

3:01pm Fri 11 Jul 14

samana says...

So the good and decent Tory/Libdem/voters are upset that their Govts policies are causing the poorest to beg in the streets--and I bet 95% of you call yourselves Christians..
Jesus would be vociferousaly ashamed and disgusted with the lot of you.
He would run a mile from the lot of you--Sally Army hypocrits included.
Not one drop of Human Kindness shines through the nastiness and totally unChristian vituperation and typecasting.
We can expect that York Council(being staffed by a totally tory beaurocracy )would find devious ways to "get at" the poor and disadvantaged in the present economic climate.
And I notice the Archbishop is not sleeping rough on the streets in solidarity(that's a joke)--he wouldn't have any sympathy for the poor and disadvantaged would he--not a Christian?
So the good and decent Tory/Libdem/voters are upset that their Govts policies are causing the poorest to beg in the streets--and I bet 95% of you call yourselves Christians.. Jesus would be vociferousaly ashamed and disgusted with the lot of you. He would run a mile from the lot of you--Sally Army hypocrits included. Not one drop of Human Kindness shines through the nastiness and totally unChristian vituperation and typecasting. We can expect that York Council(being staffed by a totally tory beaurocracy )would find devious ways to "get at" the poor and disadvantaged in the present economic climate. And I notice the Archbishop is not sleeping rough on the streets in solidarity(that's a joke)--he wouldn't have any sympathy for the poor and disadvantaged would he--not a Christian? samana
  • Score: -2

3:01pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

This story turns up with such monotonous regularity I half expect to hear "I've got you babe" by Sonny and Cher on my alarm clock.
This story turns up with such monotonous regularity I half expect to hear "I've got you babe" by Sonny and Cher on my alarm clock. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 12

3:04pm Fri 11 Jul 14

York2000 says...

@Pinza-C55 - It crops up once a year just to keep the right wingers happy. The Press is website is heading towards being exlusively for right wing readers. Encouraging hate with is easier than decent reporting.
@Pinza-C55 - It crops up once a year just to keep the right wingers happy. The Press is website is heading towards being exlusively for right wing readers. Encouraging hate with is easier than decent reporting. York2000
  • Score: 11

3:54pm Fri 11 Jul 14

York2000 says...

@Pinza-C55 - let me type that again! I was half asleep earlier:

@Pinza-C55 - It crops up once a year just to keep the right wingers happy. Also, the Press website is heading towards being exlusively for right wing readers. Encouraging hate is easier than decent reporting.

There. Better.
@Pinza-C55 - let me type that again! I was half asleep earlier: @Pinza-C55 - It crops up once a year just to keep the right wingers happy. Also, the Press website is heading towards being exlusively for right wing readers. Encouraging hate is easier than decent reporting. There. Better. York2000
  • Score: 4

5:04pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Blimp says...

York2000 wrote:
@Pinza-C55 - let me type that again! I was half asleep earlier:

@Pinza-C55 - It crops up once a year just to keep the right wingers happy. Also, the Press website is heading towards being exlusively for right wing readers. Encouraging hate is easier than decent reporting.

There. Better.
"exlusively" ?
[quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: @Pinza-C55 - let me type that again! I was half asleep earlier: @Pinza-C55 - It crops up once a year just to keep the right wingers happy. Also, the Press website is heading towards being exlusively for right wing readers. Encouraging hate is easier than decent reporting. There. Better.[/p][/quote]"exlusively" ? Blimp
  • Score: 4

5:07pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Freeda says...

This scheme goes hand in hand with NHS funding for mental health. It was started on the same day that there was a protest in York stating that the NHS and teachers did not cause the recession. NHS needs proper funding for the life time care of these people with mental health problems who are incapable of fitting with the rules of our society. There is always a certain percentage who are unemployable but don’t fit into a category to get benefits and they also need care for life. This country like all others is judged by how we cope with mental health, the poorest and weakest not by the few at the top. If there was more money put into social care it would relieve the police, York council, the Salvation Army and everyone else in the UK.
This scheme goes hand in hand with NHS funding for mental health. It was started on the same day that there was a protest in York stating that the NHS and teachers did not cause the recession. NHS needs proper funding for the life time care of these people with mental health problems who are incapable of fitting with the rules of our society. There is always a certain percentage who are unemployable but don’t fit into a category to get benefits and they also need care for life. This country like all others is judged by how we cope with mental health, the poorest and weakest not by the few at the top. If there was more money put into social care it would relieve the police, York council, the Salvation Army and everyone else in the UK. Freeda
  • Score: 18

5:12pm Fri 11 Jul 14

A.P.Feeders says...

The romanian on a skateboard seems to have disappeared from yorks streets wonder where he is now? probably on a round the world cruise with the money he was making
The romanian on a skateboard seems to have disappeared from yorks streets wonder where he is now? probably on a round the world cruise with the money he was making A.P.Feeders
  • Score: -6

5:19pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Yorkborneinbse says...

Tracy Simpson Laing: I ignore your advice as I do anything you may spout. The sooner your gone the better, Don't you just love getting your face in the paper.
Tracy Simpson Laing: I ignore your advice as I do anything you may spout. The sooner your gone the better, Don't you just love getting your face in the paper. Yorkborneinbse
  • Score: 21

7:12pm Fri 11 Jul 14

CompassionatePerson says...

Disgusting. These people need help not mindless profit-driven harassment that will only hide the surface of a problem.

To those who carelessly throw around such intolerant attitudes 'I see this... I see that...' - You know nothing. Make the effort to bridge the gap, talk to these people and you'll soon understand the harassment and torment they have been through and experience on a daily basis. Spend a night on the freezing streets of York with no shelter and just maybe you'll see why many turn to drink or drugs as an emotional blanket.

It is often intolerance and neglect that lands people in such situations in the first place. Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean they are wrong.

Find something productive to do with your time, think about others and their lives ... and maybe have a positive impact on people.
Disgusting. These people need help not mindless profit-driven harassment that will only hide the surface of a problem. To those who carelessly throw around such intolerant attitudes 'I see this... I see that...' - You know nothing. Make the effort to bridge the gap, talk to these people and you'll soon understand the harassment and torment they have been through and experience on a daily basis. Spend a night on the freezing streets of York with no shelter and just maybe you'll see why many turn to drink or drugs as an emotional blanket. It is often intolerance and neglect that lands people in such situations in the first place. Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean they are wrong. Find something productive to do with your time, think about others and their lives ... and maybe have a positive impact on people. CompassionatePerson
  • Score: 27

7:54pm Fri 11 Jul 14

HoofHearteds says...

Addiction isn't only chemical substances used to escape the asylum merry go round. I see many addicts driving ego massaging vehicles daily. What ever your drug, be grateful you weren't dealt a terrible hand.
Addiction isn't only chemical substances used to escape the asylum merry go round. I see many addicts driving ego massaging vehicles daily. What ever your drug, be grateful you weren't dealt a terrible hand. HoofHearteds
  • Score: 11

7:58pm Fri 11 Jul 14

notpedallingpaul says...

CompassionatePerson wrote:
Disgusting. These people need help not mindless profit-driven harassment that will only hide the surface of a problem.

To those who carelessly throw around such intolerant attitudes 'I see this... I see that...' - You know nothing. Make the effort to bridge the gap, talk to these people and you'll soon understand the harassment and torment they have been through and experience on a daily basis. Spend a night on the freezing streets of York with no shelter and just maybe you'll see why many turn to drink or drugs as an emotional blanket.

It is often intolerance and neglect that lands people in such situations in the first place. Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean they are wrong.

Find something productive to do with your time, think about others and their lives ... and maybe have a positive impact on people.
Oh not another 'andyjon12', are you for real as well?, these so called beggars are parasites playing on the emotions of guilible people! walk on by is my advice.
[quote][p][bold]CompassionatePerson[/bold] wrote: Disgusting. These people need help not mindless profit-driven harassment that will only hide the surface of a problem. To those who carelessly throw around such intolerant attitudes 'I see this... I see that...' - You know nothing. Make the effort to bridge the gap, talk to these people and you'll soon understand the harassment and torment they have been through and experience on a daily basis. Spend a night on the freezing streets of York with no shelter and just maybe you'll see why many turn to drink or drugs as an emotional blanket. It is often intolerance and neglect that lands people in such situations in the first place. Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean they are wrong. Find something productive to do with your time, think about others and their lives ... and maybe have a positive impact on people.[/p][/quote]Oh not another 'andyjon12', are you for real as well?, these so called beggars are parasites playing on the emotions of guilible people! walk on by is my advice. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -21

9:02pm Fri 11 Jul 14

samana says...

Whats next with these Neo-Nazi Tories/Libdems/Ukip people/.
Get rid of all red haired people?.
Shoot the hoodies?.
Loyalty pledges to the Monarchy and Aristocracy?.
Coopt Jesus as a persecutor of the sick and disadvantaged?.
Get the Archbishop to do a PR stunt in the Minster?.
Whats next with these Neo-Nazi Tories/Libdems/Ukip people/. Get rid of all red haired people?. Shoot the hoodies?. Loyalty pledges to the Monarchy and Aristocracy?. Coopt Jesus as a persecutor of the sick and disadvantaged?. Get the Archbishop to do a PR stunt in the Minster?. samana
  • Score: 5

9:54pm Fri 11 Jul 14

notpedallingpaul says...

samana wrote:
One more thing.
Yorks streets become a NO_GO area after dark due to the thousand upon thousands of violent and ALCOHOL ADDICTS pouring their Addictive Cancer Causing Drugs down their throats-yet theres no police action at all--though they do have a presence in the Police station.
Over 100,000 people died from Alcohol caused cancers last year in the UK.
Walk down any city centre street and the air we breathe is made POISONOUS by the Tobacco fumes everywhere--remember Roy Castles cancer--he never smoked in his life!!..
Over 80,000 people died from cancers caused by Tobacco caused cancers last year in the UK.
Yet the Tories use the bogey of "drugs" and focus on a mere handful of sick disadvantaged people,pouring out their nastiness as if they are the cause of societies woes..
Truly a case of "divide and rule".
Jesus would NEVER be a Christian--never support the Sally Army--he would spit on the likes of you so-called Christians--full of hatred and hypocracy.

.
I suppose it's being happy that keeps you going then?
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: One more thing. Yorks streets become a NO_GO area after dark due to the thousand upon thousands of violent and ALCOHOL ADDICTS pouring their Addictive Cancer Causing Drugs down their throats-yet theres no police action at all--though they do have a presence in the Police station. Over 100,000 people died from Alcohol caused cancers last year in the UK. Walk down any city centre street and the air we breathe is made POISONOUS by the Tobacco fumes everywhere--remember Roy Castles cancer--he never smoked in his life!!.. Over 80,000 people died from cancers caused by Tobacco caused cancers last year in the UK. Yet the Tories use the bogey of "drugs" and focus on a mere handful of sick disadvantaged people,pouring out their nastiness as if they are the cause of societies woes.. Truly a case of "divide and rule". Jesus would NEVER be a Christian--never support the Sally Army--he would spit on the likes of you so-called Christians--full of hatred and hypocracy. .[/p][/quote]I suppose it's being happy that keeps you going then? notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 16

10:23pm Fri 11 Jul 14

andyjon12 says...

There is an alarmingly high number of ill-informed people on here today - are you for real? Firstly, I'm not interested in talking about the rights or wrongs of students selling rag-mags and getting sloshed sometime thereafter; some of you seem to be missing the point - the occupation of street begging is a CAUSAL EFFECT of an unequal and broken society. Many of the beggars in York are homeless men who have been dealt a "rotten hand", in life - there but for the grace of god, go I comes to mind. Men like this have a much higher prevalence of mental health problems and learning difficulties than the general population, studies after studies have drawn this same conclusion. Therefore, think about this - street beggars who you may choose to regard as worthless and an embarrassment (judging by most comments on here), are fellow human beings, and to be honest I've never felt intimidated by any of them. If they embarrass you as you walk past clutching your Costa Coffees, that's your problem not there's, so, get over it - Simpson-Laing and visityork.org included. City of York Council should be preoccupied with tackling the root causes of poverty and deprivation in our great City, not attempting to hide the visible symptoms of the problem. Shame on them and the minions on here who sadly can't see the wood for the trees. Now off you all go to your warm beds - good night.
There is an alarmingly high number of ill-informed people on here today - are you for real? Firstly, I'm not interested in talking about the rights or wrongs of students selling rag-mags and getting sloshed sometime thereafter; some of you seem to be missing the point - the occupation of street begging is a CAUSAL EFFECT of an unequal and broken society. Many of the beggars in York are homeless men who have been dealt a "rotten hand", in life - there but for the grace of god, go I comes to mind. Men like this have a much higher prevalence of mental health problems and learning difficulties than the general population, studies after studies have drawn this same conclusion. Therefore, think about this - street beggars who you may choose to regard as worthless and an embarrassment (judging by most comments on here), are fellow human beings, and to be honest I've never felt intimidated by any of them. If they embarrass you as you walk past clutching your Costa Coffees, that's your problem not there's, so, get over it - Simpson-Laing and visityork.org included. City of York Council should be preoccupied with tackling the root causes of poverty and deprivation in our great City, not attempting to hide the visible symptoms of the problem. Shame on them and the minions on here who sadly can't see the wood for the trees. Now off you all go to your warm beds - good night. andyjon12
  • Score: 27

10:39pm Fri 11 Jul 14

may2015 says...

Addiction isn't only chemical substances used to escape the asylum merry go round. I see many addicts driving ego massaging vehicles daily. What ever your drug, be grateful you weren't dealt a terrible hand.

Is that a random stab at car users again, thought this was about begging ? Cars are awesome by the way.

Back to the story, it's sad that this is nothing more than a regularly wheeled out PR stunt as all manner of intimidating beggars and scam artists have been operating here, doing well for years. Been in york all my life, was once threatened seriously (knife) by a well known "face"of yorks doorways and his pal and hassled by many, many more times from all manner of scammers and blaggers as well as the obviously mentally unwell scary types. I'm inclined to agree something serious is done and hopefully some kind of real, meaningful "help" or rehabilitation imposed on the serious offenders that we've been seeing every day for years !

It's not good for them, or us that it carries on as it's always been is it ?
Addiction isn't only chemical substances used to escape the asylum merry go round. I see many addicts driving ego massaging vehicles daily. What ever your drug, be grateful you weren't dealt a terrible hand. Is that a random stab at car users again, thought this was about begging ? Cars are awesome by the way. Back to the story, it's sad that this is nothing more than a regularly wheeled out PR stunt as all manner of intimidating beggars and scam artists have been operating here, doing well for years. Been in york all my life, was once threatened seriously (knife) by a well known "face"of yorks doorways and his pal and hassled by many, many more times from all manner of scammers and blaggers as well as the obviously mentally unwell scary types. I'm inclined to agree something serious is done and hopefully some kind of real, meaningful "help" or rehabilitation imposed on the serious offenders that we've been seeing every day for years ! It's not good for them, or us that it carries on as it's always been is it ? may2015
  • Score: -2

12:24am Sat 12 Jul 14

York1900 says...

Yorkmackem1 wrote:
York1900 wrote:
Well some of these beggars can make £300 + a day so they are not going to stop doing it if they can get £2100 a week tax free from people and claim other benefits all because there is no trace of the money from begging
Evidence please. Otherwise you're talking utter tripe.
'Beggar' who sat outside Natwest bank with a 'hungry and homeless' sign raked in £300 A DAY while living in a £300,000 flat

Read more: http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2336145/Beggar-sat-o
utside-Natwest-bank-
hungry-homeless-sign
-earned-300-A-DAY-li
ving-300-000-flat.ht
ml#ixzz37ChqPF9K

At last! Relentless beggar dubbed Billy the Quid is banned from harassing the public for money on ANY street in Britain after begging an astonishing £35,000 from a kind-hearted widow

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2581086/At-Relentles
s-beggar-dubbed-Bill
y-Quid-banned-harass
ing-public-money-ANY
-street-Britain-bagg
ing-astonishing-35-0
00-one-pensioner.htm
l

http://www.miltonkey
nes.co.uk/news/local
/jamie-s-story-begga
rs-belief-profession
al-beggar-from-milto
n-keynes-given-asbo-
1-6100668
[quote][p][bold]Yorkmackem1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: Well some of these beggars can make £300 + a day so they are not going to stop doing it if they can get £2100 a week tax free from people and claim other benefits all because there is no trace of the money from begging[/p][/quote]Evidence please. Otherwise you're talking utter tripe.[/p][/quote]'Beggar' who sat outside Natwest bank with a 'hungry and homeless' sign raked in £300 A DAY while living in a £300,000 flat Read more: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2336145/Beggar-sat-o utside-Natwest-bank- hungry-homeless-sign -earned-300-A-DAY-li ving-300-000-flat.ht ml#ixzz37ChqPF9K At last! Relentless beggar dubbed Billy the Quid is banned from harassing the public for money on ANY street in Britain after begging an astonishing £35,000 from a kind-hearted widow http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2581086/At-Relentles s-beggar-dubbed-Bill y-Quid-banned-harass ing-public-money-ANY -street-Britain-bagg ing-astonishing-35-0 00-one-pensioner.htm l http://www.miltonkey nes.co.uk/news/local /jamie-s-story-begga rs-belief-profession al-beggar-from-milto n-keynes-given-asbo- 1-6100668 York1900
  • Score: -8

12:25am Sat 12 Jul 14

mummy42 says...

Sometimes children can teach us a lesson or two. I often struggled with whether to give money to beggars until one day when I was in town with my 9 year old daughter. She stopped before a homeless man, had a good look at him and opened her purse. I thought she may give 5 or 10 pence but she pulled out her £10 she had been saving and gave it to the man. I said why did you give him that much and she said "because he needs it more than me". Now when I am asked for money I do as my daughter did.
Sometimes children can teach us a lesson or two. I often struggled with whether to give money to beggars until one day when I was in town with my 9 year old daughter. She stopped before a homeless man, had a good look at him and opened her purse. I thought she may give 5 or 10 pence but she pulled out her £10 she had been saving and gave it to the man. I said why did you give him that much and she said "because he needs it more than me". Now when I am asked for money I do as my daughter did. mummy42
  • Score: 9

6:15am Sat 12 Jul 14

samana says...

£300 a day?.
That's a LIE!.
Pure and simple.
A Lie.
£300 a day?. That's a LIE!. Pure and simple. A Lie. samana
  • Score: 0

6:16am Sat 12 Jul 14

sniper 9964 says...

I always thought begging was an offence.
So why not lock them up.? Put before the courts next day last sitting
thats two days money they will loose.
confiscate their takings under the proceedings of crime act.
they will soon get the message and clear off
I always thought begging was an offence. So why not lock them up.? Put before the courts next day last sitting thats two days money they will loose. confiscate their takings under the proceedings of crime act. they will soon get the message and clear off sniper 9964
  • Score: -3

7:41am Sat 12 Jul 14

hwpatten says...

I know nobody likes 'beggars',
but they are still humans like you or I,
and for some reason they don't integrate well into society.
So yes, they refuse help from the council,
which may sound bizarre to you or I,
But moving them on never resolves anything.

I'm really disappointed that some comment's
actually propose locking them up permanently.
If you have never been homeless then you won't understand
the reasons why these people live the way they do.
They need food and water, more than a home.
You would know that if you asked and didn't just ignore them.

Is it really better to sweep them under the rug?
I know nobody likes 'beggars', but they are still humans like you or I, and for some reason they don't integrate well into society. So yes, they refuse help from the council, which may sound bizarre to you or I, But moving them on never resolves anything. I'm really disappointed that some comment's actually propose locking them up permanently. If you have never been homeless then you won't understand the reasons why these people live the way they do. They need food and water, more than a home. You would know that if you asked and didn't just ignore them. Is it really better to sweep them under the rug? hwpatten
  • Score: 10

7:46am Sat 12 Jul 14

samana says...

True story of one of Yorks HATED beggars.
He served 16 years in the Army rising to the rank of Sargeant.
He fought in 4 different conflicts believing that he was fighting to preserve "democracy".
He was shot two times--wounds that cause him considerable pain still.
He was thrown out on the streets by the Tory/Libdem Coalition two years ago with exactly £68 severance pay in his hand and no pension or compensation for his appalling injuries.
And of course he was refused any Welfare payments too.
If he hadn't begged he would have starved to death.
Which would suit most of the devout Christians that have contributed to this thread--nastiness and hatred drip from many pens.
YES YES YES!!--I gave him money whenever I saw him--and I will give money or food to the hungry and destitute because I am human..
YES YES YES I gave him clothes and a new rucsac and other stuff..
YES YES YES I --treat me as a criminal because I followed the precepts that noble men like Jesus and Gotama.

He was sleeping on a mates back lawn because there is NO or little State help for ex-servicemen and women.
There are tens of thousands of ex servicemen like this guy sleeping rough in woods and wild areas--they have yto sleep somewhere for "gods" sake.
What a society we have become under the Monarchy/Aristocracy dominated so-called Democracy.
She pays !! million of Taxpayers money for a Helicopter for her "war-hero"grandchild while the REAL HEROES like this guy and his mates are cursed and arrested for the crime of trying to stay alive.
HELP FOR HEROES??.
Gimme a break!.
Not in York!.
True story of one of Yorks HATED beggars. He served 16 years in the Army rising to the rank of Sargeant. He fought in 4 different conflicts believing that he was fighting to preserve "democracy". He was shot two times--wounds that cause him considerable pain still. He was thrown out on the streets by the Tory/Libdem Coalition two years ago with exactly £68 severance pay in his hand and no pension or compensation for his appalling injuries. And of course he was refused any Welfare payments too. If he hadn't begged he would have starved to death. Which would suit most of the devout Christians that have contributed to this thread--nastiness and hatred drip from many pens. YES YES YES!!--I gave him money whenever I saw him--and I will give money or food to the hungry and destitute because I am human.. YES YES YES I gave him clothes and a new rucsac and other stuff.. YES YES YES I --treat me as a criminal because I followed the precepts that noble men like Jesus and Gotama. He was sleeping on a mates back lawn because there is NO or little State help for ex-servicemen and women. There are tens of thousands of ex servicemen like this guy sleeping rough in woods and wild areas--they have yto sleep somewhere for "gods" sake. What a society we have become under the Monarchy/Aristocracy dominated so-called Democracy. She pays !! million of Taxpayers money for a Helicopter for her "war-hero"grandchild while the REAL HEROES like this guy and his mates are cursed and arrested for the crime of trying to stay alive. HELP FOR HEROES??. Gimme a break!. Not in York!. samana
  • Score: 9

7:55am Sat 12 Jul 14

samana says...

Oh your site terms are a LIE!
3/4 of correspondents on this thread are abusive towards these unfortunates--breaki
ng your site terms.
When are you going to stop printing their abusive lies and insults?
Democracy is dying here.
Oh your site terms are a LIE! 3/4 of correspondents on this thread are abusive towards these unfortunates--breaki ng your site terms. When are you going to stop printing their abusive lies and insults? Democracy is dying here. samana
  • Score: -4

8:50am Sat 12 Jul 14

samana says...

The main reason why this so-called democracy" is so lacking in compassion and kindness comes from the very top.
Christian Society has become a cold and uncaring way of dealing with those who through no fault of their own become social casualties
and offend all those avid Celebrity come Dancing fans that pour out their bile on these threads..
We are ruled over by a MULTI BILLIONAIRE family that has never done a decent days work in their lives--males prancing around in uniforms wearing rows of medals that they never earned is manipulation worthy of any Ceasar--subsidised by £38 millions of hard working taxpayers money.
Why cant they pay their own bills?.
10,000 old people died last winter because this Coalition allowed the Energy industry to increase prices beyond any reasonable level.
10,,000 dead!!!.
.
She is the head of the Christian community in this benighted country--when will she show a lead in extending the Christian compassion that she refers to endlessly in her well written speeches to those such as these unfortunates?.
Jesus would walk away from and repudiate these posturing pompous uncaring Christians.
No!--Jesus would definitely NOT be a Christian or support any form of Christianity.
Archbishops living in Palaces--riding round in chauffeur driven limos--having the sheer gall to compare themselves to Jesus.
A Society without without shame.
The main reason why this so-called democracy" is so lacking in compassion and kindness comes from the very top. Christian Society has become a cold and uncaring way of dealing with those who through no fault of their own become social casualties and offend all those avid Celebrity come Dancing fans that pour out their bile on these threads.. We are ruled over by a MULTI BILLIONAIRE family that has never done a decent days work in their lives--males prancing around in uniforms wearing rows of medals that they never earned is manipulation worthy of any Ceasar--subsidised by £38 millions of hard working taxpayers money. Why cant they pay their own bills?. 10,000 old people died last winter because this Coalition allowed the Energy industry to increase prices beyond any reasonable level. 10,,000 dead!!!. . She is the head of the Christian community in this benighted country--when will she show a lead in extending the Christian compassion that she refers to endlessly in her well written speeches to those such as these unfortunates?. Jesus would walk away from and repudiate these posturing pompous uncaring Christians. No!--Jesus would definitely NOT be a Christian or support any form of Christianity. Archbishops living in Palaces--riding round in chauffeur driven limos--having the sheer gall to compare themselves to Jesus. A Society without without shame. samana
  • Score: -1

10:25am Sat 12 Jul 14

may2015 says...

Archbishops living in Palaces--riding round in chauffeur driven limos--having the sheer gall to compare themselves to Jesus.
A Society without without shame.

You have a point, Samana. Sentamu and his lot should probably do more, not that they don't give money and help good causes but if were talking about "equality and fairness" then keeping all that wealth and spending so much to keep the grandeur of the church ain't really christian at all.

Bill Gates and those that signed up to his foundation have far more Jesus inside them than every member of the anglican church combined from where I'm looking at it....
Archbishops living in Palaces--riding round in chauffeur driven limos--having the sheer gall to compare themselves to Jesus. A Society without without shame. You have a point, Samana. Sentamu and his lot should probably do more, not that they don't give money and help good causes but if were talking about "equality and fairness" then keeping all that wealth and spending so much to keep the grandeur of the church ain't really christian at all. Bill Gates and those that signed up to his foundation have far more Jesus inside them than every member of the anglican church combined from where I'm looking at it.... may2015
  • Score: 7

11:25am Sat 12 Jul 14

samana says...

If these Aristocratic/Religio
us parasites are so charitable then why the ever increasing poverty among the less well educated?.
Less educated by design so that they lack the machinery to understand how they are being manipulated by the corrupt Media on behalf of these unelected 2leaders".
Soon this Govt will give the Monarchy tens of millions more of taxpayers money in the UK to waste on their environmentally destructive lifestyle--.
And yet 10,000 old people died last winter in the UK because they couldn't afford to heat their homes--the lowest Old Age Pension in the EU bar Lithuania--the highest energy costs inn the EU.
Id love to hear she is opening her many empty palaces to the POOR and SICK --caring for "her" people--NOT..
If these Aristocratic/Religio us parasites are so charitable then why the ever increasing poverty among the less well educated?. Less educated by design so that they lack the machinery to understand how they are being manipulated by the corrupt Media on behalf of these unelected 2leaders". Soon this Govt will give the Monarchy tens of millions more of taxpayers money in the UK to waste on their environmentally destructive lifestyle--. And yet 10,000 old people died last winter in the UK because they couldn't afford to heat their homes--the lowest Old Age Pension in the EU bar Lithuania--the highest energy costs inn the EU. Id love to hear she is opening her many empty palaces to the POOR and SICK --caring for "her" people--NOT.. samana
  • Score: -2

12:13pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

York2000 wrote:
@Pinza-C55 - let me type that again! I was half asleep earlier:

@Pinza-C55 - It crops up once a year just to keep the right wingers happy. Also, the Press website is heading towards being exlusively for right wing readers. Encouraging hate is easier than decent reporting.

There. Better.
I've usually found that it is timed immediately before a local or national election so maybe that is in the offing.
Normally we are told the police need "new powers" to tackle this - presumably the beggars have a crack legal team adept at finding loopholes in the law - but this time it appears they have enlisted the help of "god".
On the subject of right whingers, maybe it is no coincidence that the SA is at it's core a right wing organisation.
[quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: @Pinza-C55 - let me type that again! I was half asleep earlier: @Pinza-C55 - It crops up once a year just to keep the right wingers happy. Also, the Press website is heading towards being exlusively for right wing readers. Encouraging hate is easier than decent reporting. There. Better.[/p][/quote]I've usually found that it is timed immediately before a local or national election so maybe that is in the offing. Normally we are told the police need "new powers" to tackle this - presumably the beggars have a crack legal team adept at finding loopholes in the law - but this time it appears they have enlisted the help of "god". On the subject of right whingers, maybe it is no coincidence that the SA is at it's core a right wing organisation. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 5

1:01pm Sat 12 Jul 14

randomyorkperson says...

York1900 wrote:
Yorkmackem1 wrote:
York1900 wrote:
Well some of these beggars can make £300 + a day so they are not going to stop doing it if they can get £2100 a week tax free from people and claim other benefits all because there is no trace of the money from begging
Evidence please. Otherwise you're talking utter tripe.
'Beggar' who sat outside Natwest bank with a 'hungry and homeless' sign raked in £300 A DAY while living in a £300,000 flat

Read more: http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2336145/Beggar-sat-o

utside-Natwest-bank-

hungry-homeless-sign

-earned-300-A-DAY-li

ving-300-000-flat.ht

ml#ixzz37ChqPF9K

At last! Relentless beggar dubbed Billy the Quid is banned from harassing the public for money on ANY street in Britain after begging an astonishing £35,000 from a kind-hearted widow

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2581086/At-Relentles

s-beggar-dubbed-Bill

y-Quid-banned-harass

ing-public-money-ANY

-street-Britain-bagg

ing-astonishing-35-0

00-one-pensioner.htm

l

http://www.miltonkey

nes.co.uk/news/local

/jamie-s-story-begga

rs-belief-profession

al-beggar-from-milto

n-keynes-given-asbo-

1-6100668
Because we all know Daily Mail is reliable evidence
[quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkmackem1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: Well some of these beggars can make £300 + a day so they are not going to stop doing it if they can get £2100 a week tax free from people and claim other benefits all because there is no trace of the money from begging[/p][/quote]Evidence please. Otherwise you're talking utter tripe.[/p][/quote]'Beggar' who sat outside Natwest bank with a 'hungry and homeless' sign raked in £300 A DAY while living in a £300,000 flat Read more: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2336145/Beggar-sat-o utside-Natwest-bank- hungry-homeless-sign -earned-300-A-DAY-li ving-300-000-flat.ht ml#ixzz37ChqPF9K At last! Relentless beggar dubbed Billy the Quid is banned from harassing the public for money on ANY street in Britain after begging an astonishing £35,000 from a kind-hearted widow http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2581086/At-Relentles s-beggar-dubbed-Bill y-Quid-banned-harass ing-public-money-ANY -street-Britain-bagg ing-astonishing-35-0 00-one-pensioner.htm l http://www.miltonkey nes.co.uk/news/local /jamie-s-story-begga rs-belief-profession al-beggar-from-milto n-keynes-given-asbo- 1-6100668[/p][/quote]Because we all know Daily Mail is reliable evidence randomyorkperson
  • Score: 8

1:22pm Sat 12 Jul 14

samana says...

Bill Gates is a Billionaire--lives in a house cost over 40 million $.
His money comes from supplying the worlds Intelligence agencies with the Software for exploitation and repression of the poor.
gimme a break.
Bill Gates is a Billionaire--lives in a house cost over 40 million $. His money comes from supplying the worlds Intelligence agencies with the Software for exploitation and repression of the poor. gimme a break. samana
  • Score: -4

5:02pm Sat 12 Jul 14

notpedallingpaul says...

CompassionatePerson wrote:
Disgusting. These people need help not mindless profit-driven harassment that will only hide the surface of a problem.

To those who carelessly throw around such intolerant attitudes 'I see this... I see that...' - You know nothing. Make the effort to bridge the gap, talk to these people and you'll soon understand the harassment and torment they have been through and experience on a daily basis. Spend a night on the freezing streets of York with no shelter and just maybe you'll see why many turn to drink or drugs as an emotional blanket.

It is often intolerance and neglect that lands people in such situations in the first place. Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean they are wrong.

Find something productive to do with your time, think about others and their lives ... and maybe have a positive impact on people.
I thought I would link in to your comment, I have Saudi in a previous comment that they are all parasites, however, today I saw something that made me stop and think, a women with baggage and very bedraggled and dirty was being attended to by paramedics on the river side walk between blue bridge and skeldergate bridge, she was obviously known to the paramedics as they called her by name asking if she wanted a medical check over, she declined and staggered off towards blue bridge, now that's the kind of homeless person who needs help from the authorities, totally different to the beggar sat on the grassed area of the snicket between Coppergate and high ousegate, he looked fit as a fiddle and well dressed, as I walked home the women I was talking about was sat on a grass mound next to the blue bridge with all her belongings around her, she wasn't begging but I have to ask how do we help the likes of her?
[quote][p][bold]CompassionatePerson[/bold] wrote: Disgusting. These people need help not mindless profit-driven harassment that will only hide the surface of a problem. To those who carelessly throw around such intolerant attitudes 'I see this... I see that...' - You know nothing. Make the effort to bridge the gap, talk to these people and you'll soon understand the harassment and torment they have been through and experience on a daily basis. Spend a night on the freezing streets of York with no shelter and just maybe you'll see why many turn to drink or drugs as an emotional blanket. It is often intolerance and neglect that lands people in such situations in the first place. Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean they are wrong. Find something productive to do with your time, think about others and their lives ... and maybe have a positive impact on people.[/p][/quote]I thought I would link in to your comment, I have Saudi in a previous comment that they are all parasites, however, today I saw something that made me stop and think, a women with baggage and very bedraggled and dirty was being attended to by paramedics on the river side walk between blue bridge and skeldergate bridge, she was obviously known to the paramedics as they called her by name asking if she wanted a medical check over, she declined and staggered off towards blue bridge, now that's the kind of homeless person who needs help from the authorities, totally different to the beggar sat on the grassed area of the snicket between Coppergate and high ousegate, he looked fit as a fiddle and well dressed, as I walked home the women I was talking about was sat on a grass mound next to the blue bridge with all her belongings around her, she wasn't begging but I have to ask how do we help the likes of her? notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 6

5:04pm Sat 12 Jul 14

notpedallingpaul says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
CompassionatePerson wrote:
Disgusting. These people need help not mindless profit-driven harassment that will only hide the surface of a problem.

To those who carelessly throw around such intolerant attitudes 'I see this... I see that...' - You know nothing. Make the effort to bridge the gap, talk to these people and you'll soon understand the harassment and torment they have been through and experience on a daily basis. Spend a night on the freezing streets of York with no shelter and just maybe you'll see why many turn to drink or drugs as an emotional blanket.

It is often intolerance and neglect that lands people in such situations in the first place. Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean they are wrong.

Find something productive to do with your time, think about others and their lives ... and maybe have a positive impact on people.
I thought I would link in to your comment, I have Saudi in a previous comment that they are all parasites, however, today I saw something that made me stop and think, a women with baggage and very bedraggled and dirty was being attended to by paramedics on the river side walk between blue bridge and skeldergate bridge, she was obviously known to the paramedics as they called her by name asking if she wanted a medical check over, she declined and staggered off towards blue bridge, now that's the kind of homeless person who needs help from the authorities, totally different to the beggar sat on the grassed area of the snicket between Coppergate and high ousegate, he looked fit as a fiddle and well dressed, as I walked home the women I was talking about was sat on a grass mound next to the blue bridge with all her belongings around her, she wasn't begging but I have to ask how do we help the likes of her?
It's not Saudi, it's said
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CompassionatePerson[/bold] wrote: Disgusting. These people need help not mindless profit-driven harassment that will only hide the surface of a problem. To those who carelessly throw around such intolerant attitudes 'I see this... I see that...' - You know nothing. Make the effort to bridge the gap, talk to these people and you'll soon understand the harassment and torment they have been through and experience on a daily basis. Spend a night on the freezing streets of York with no shelter and just maybe you'll see why many turn to drink or drugs as an emotional blanket. It is often intolerance and neglect that lands people in such situations in the first place. Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean they are wrong. Find something productive to do with your time, think about others and their lives ... and maybe have a positive impact on people.[/p][/quote]I thought I would link in to your comment, I have Saudi in a previous comment that they are all parasites, however, today I saw something that made me stop and think, a women with baggage and very bedraggled and dirty was being attended to by paramedics on the river side walk between blue bridge and skeldergate bridge, she was obviously known to the paramedics as they called her by name asking if she wanted a medical check over, she declined and staggered off towards blue bridge, now that's the kind of homeless person who needs help from the authorities, totally different to the beggar sat on the grassed area of the snicket between Coppergate and high ousegate, he looked fit as a fiddle and well dressed, as I walked home the women I was talking about was sat on a grass mound next to the blue bridge with all her belongings around her, she wasn't begging but I have to ask how do we help the likes of her?[/p][/quote]It's not Saudi, it's said notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -6

5:16pm Sat 12 Jul 14

York1900 says...

randomyorkperson wrote:
York1900 wrote:
Yorkmackem1 wrote:
York1900 wrote:
Well some of these beggars can make £300 + a day so they are not going to stop doing it if they can get £2100 a week tax free from people and claim other benefits all because there is no trace of the money from begging
Evidence please. Otherwise you're talking utter tripe.
'Beggar' who sat outside Natwest bank with a 'hungry and homeless' sign raked in £300 A DAY while living in a £300,000 flat

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At last! Relentless beggar dubbed Billy the Quid is banned from harassing the public for money on ANY street in Britain after begging an astonishing £35,000 from a kind-hearted widow

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Because we all know Daily Mail is reliable evidence
Because we all know Daily Mail is reliable evidence yes but when these people have been found guilty in courts is what I call reliable evidence and not the media source as court reporting as no room to be spun it as to be the facts of the case
[quote][p][bold]randomyorkperson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkmackem1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: Well some of these beggars can make £300 + a day so they are not going to stop doing it if they can get £2100 a week tax free from people and claim other benefits all because there is no trace of the money from begging[/p][/quote]Evidence please. Otherwise you're talking utter tripe.[/p][/quote]'Beggar' who sat outside Natwest bank with a 'hungry and homeless' sign raked in £300 A DAY while living in a £300,000 flat Read more: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2336145/Beggar-sat-o utside-Natwest-bank- hungry-homeless-sign -earned-300-A-DAY-li ving-300-000-flat.ht ml#ixzz37ChqPF9K At last! Relentless beggar dubbed Billy the Quid is banned from harassing the public for money on ANY street in Britain after begging an astonishing £35,000 from a kind-hearted widow http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2581086/At-Relentles s-beggar-dubbed-Bill y-Quid-banned-harass ing-public-money-ANY -street-Britain-bagg ing-astonishing-35-0 00-one-pensioner.htm l http://www.miltonkey nes.co.uk/news/local /jamie-s-story-begga rs-belief-profession al-beggar-from-milto n-keynes-given-asbo- 1-6100668[/p][/quote]Because we all know Daily Mail is reliable evidence[/p][/quote]Because we all know Daily Mail is reliable evidence yes but when these people have been found guilty in courts is what I call reliable evidence and not the media source as court reporting as no room to be spun it as to be the facts of the case York1900
  • Score: -1

6:19pm Sat 12 Jul 14

samana says...

Homeless Sergeant Part 2.
He was arrested by two Paramilitaries(the UK police resemble paramilitaries with their "sprays" and hidden guns--persecuting the poor and mentally ill)--and forced to leave York .
Homeless Sergeant Part 2. He was arrested by two Paramilitaries(the UK police resemble paramilitaries with their "sprays" and hidden guns--persecuting the poor and mentally ill)--and forced to leave York . samana
  • Score: -4

8:01pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Dr Martin says...

samana wrote:
Bill Gates is a Billionaire--lives in a house cost over 40 million $.
His money comes from supplying the worlds Intelligence agencies with the Software for exploitation and repression of the poor.
gimme a break.
Windows 8?
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: Bill Gates is a Billionaire--lives in a house cost over 40 million $. His money comes from supplying the worlds Intelligence agencies with the Software for exploitation and repression of the poor. gimme a break.[/p][/quote]Windows 8? Dr Martin
  • Score: 2

8:48pm Sat 12 Jul 14

York2000 says...

Someone is actually adding Daily Mail articles to the comments threads. The Press website is fast becoming a joke.
Someone is actually adding Daily Mail articles to the comments threads. The Press website is fast becoming a joke. York2000
  • Score: 5

7:02am Sun 13 Jul 14

samana says...

Final comment.
So the Tory Party is up to its usual disinformation tricks--that makes eminent sense--theres an election coming that the Tories look set to lose badly--scandal after scandal swept under the carpet..
And of course our wonderful compassionate Police are backing them to the Hilt--tooled up paramilitaries on the streets --fighting the "beggar menace"!--aided by the irredentist Taxi drivers..
And the Tory Beaurocracy at the Council--the unelected but powerful officials that detest us poor and waste taxpayers money assiduously ;like it was their lifes work..
And of course the Church of England --whose nickname for this last 200 years has been.
THE TORY PARTY AT PRAYER!!.
So its a JOINT FIGHT against beggars--is it?.
What a waste of resources and manpower--demonising the weak and sick.
At most a mere handful of casualties of TORY social policies are begging.
Heres an idea!
How about instead of pursuing a few decrepit mentally sick people
in this big PR exercise why not deal with the nightly drunken carnage on the city centre streets--thousands of young and old drunks--threatening strangers especially older people---assaulting nurses and medical staff at the A&E---fighting upn and down Micklegate---vomitin
g everywhere----and NOT ONE policeman in site--unbridled violence that keeps older people out of the centre of THEIR CITY.
When are these "fighters against beggars" going to get "stuck in" to these thousands of DRUNK YOBS every night??.
Could it be that these fighters against beggars actually prefcer to push around these few social misfits rather than clean up our cities streets of the drunken hooligans.
And please no PR scam from the police telling how ell they do their jobs of Law and Order.
Go onto our cities streets at night--see and smell the crowds of drunk teenagers,fuelled by ALCOHOL and Testosterone .
Bash a few harmless beggars--that's the way.
Tory policies in action.
Final comment. So the Tory Party is up to its usual disinformation tricks--that makes eminent sense--theres an election coming that the Tories look set to lose badly--scandal after scandal swept under the carpet.. And of course our wonderful compassionate Police are backing them to the Hilt--tooled up paramilitaries on the streets --fighting the "beggar menace"!--aided by the irredentist Taxi drivers.. And the Tory Beaurocracy at the Council--the unelected but powerful officials that detest us poor and waste taxpayers money assiduously ;like it was their lifes work.. And of course the Church of England --whose nickname for this last 200 years has been. THE TORY PARTY AT PRAYER!!. So its a JOINT FIGHT against beggars--is it?. What a waste of resources and manpower--demonising the weak and sick. At most a mere handful of casualties of TORY social policies are begging. Heres an idea! How about instead of pursuing a few decrepit mentally sick people in this big PR exercise why not deal with the nightly drunken carnage on the city centre streets--thousands of young and old drunks--threatening strangers especially older people---assaulting nurses and medical staff at the A&E---fighting upn and down Micklegate---vomitin g everywhere----and NOT ONE policeman in site--unbridled violence that keeps older people out of the centre of THEIR CITY. When are these "fighters against beggars" going to get "stuck in" to these thousands of DRUNK YOBS every night??. Could it be that these fighters against beggars actually prefcer to push around these few social misfits rather than clean up our cities streets of the drunken hooligans. And please no PR scam from the police telling how ell they do their jobs of Law and Order. Go onto our cities streets at night--see and smell the crowds of drunk teenagers,fuelled by ALCOHOL and Testosterone . Bash a few harmless beggars--that's the way. Tory policies in action. samana
  • Score: -1

7:39am Sun 13 Jul 14

samana says...

Postscript.
NIMBY is an acromyn for NOT IN MY BACKYARD!!.
While the TORIES/Libdems talk fine wordsbin public of "community and inclusiveness"--of " caring for those falling through the cracks"-=-of "proving a safety blanket" for those disadvantaged--this "fight against beggars" is the opposite of their words.
But what have we,the voters,come to expect from TORIES/Libdems?.
A LACK of Community.
A lack of Compassion(Theresa May got it right)
Wasting taxpayers money on ludicrous schemes that only benefit those profit mad hooray henries in power.
NIMBY.
The Mantra of the anti =.community crowd.
Jesus detests you.
Postscript. NIMBY is an acromyn for NOT IN MY BACKYARD!!. While the TORIES/Libdems talk fine wordsbin public of "community and inclusiveness"--of " caring for those falling through the cracks"-=-of "proving a safety blanket" for those disadvantaged--this "fight against beggars" is the opposite of their words. But what have we,the voters,come to expect from TORIES/Libdems?. A LACK of Community. A lack of Compassion(Theresa May got it right) Wasting taxpayers money on ludicrous schemes that only benefit those profit mad hooray henries in power. NIMBY. The Mantra of the anti =.community crowd. Jesus detests you. samana
  • Score: -4

9:30am Sun 13 Jul 14

Dr Martin says...

So True in the majority of cases

North Yorkshire's Inspector Charlotte Bloxham said: “There is no reason for anyone to be begging on the streets of York. There are a number of avenues of support for these individuals should they be in true need of help
So True in the majority of cases North Yorkshire's Inspector Charlotte Bloxham said: “There is no reason for anyone to be begging on the streets of York. There are a number of avenues of support for these individuals should they be in true need of help Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

11:10am Sun 13 Jul 14

alanyork says...

samana wrote:
Final comment.
So the Tory Party is up to its usual disinformation tricks--that makes eminent sense--theres an election coming that the Tories look set to lose badly--scandal after scandal swept under the carpet..
And of course our wonderful compassionate Police are backing them to the Hilt--tooled up paramilitaries on the streets --fighting the "beggar menace"!--aided by the irredentist Taxi drivers..
And the Tory Beaurocracy at the Council--the unelected but powerful officials that detest us poor and waste taxpayers money assiduously ;like it was their lifes work..
And of course the Church of England --whose nickname for this last 200 years has been.
THE TORY PARTY AT PRAYER!!.
So its a JOINT FIGHT against beggars--is it?.
What a waste of resources and manpower--demonising the weak and sick.
At most a mere handful of casualties of TORY social policies are begging.
Heres an idea!
How about instead of pursuing a few decrepit mentally sick people
in this big PR exercise why not deal with the nightly drunken carnage on the city centre streets--thousands of young and old drunks--threatening strangers especially older people---assaulting nurses and medical staff at the A&E---fighting upn and down Micklegate---vomitin

g everywhere----and NOT ONE policeman in site--unbridled violence that keeps older people out of the centre of THEIR CITY.
When are these "fighters against beggars" going to get "stuck in" to these thousands of DRUNK YOBS every night??.
Could it be that these fighters against beggars actually prefcer to push around these few social misfits rather than clean up our cities streets of the drunken hooligans.
And please no PR scam from the police telling how ell they do their jobs of Law and Order.
Go onto our cities streets at night--see and smell the crowds of drunk teenagers,fuelled by ALCOHOL and Testosterone .
Bash a few harmless beggars--that's the way.
Tory policies in action.
what is this disease the Taxi-Drivers have, what the hell is irredentist ?
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: Final comment. So the Tory Party is up to its usual disinformation tricks--that makes eminent sense--theres an election coming that the Tories look set to lose badly--scandal after scandal swept under the carpet.. And of course our wonderful compassionate Police are backing them to the Hilt--tooled up paramilitaries on the streets --fighting the "beggar menace"!--aided by the irredentist Taxi drivers.. And the Tory Beaurocracy at the Council--the unelected but powerful officials that detest us poor and waste taxpayers money assiduously ;like it was their lifes work.. And of course the Church of England --whose nickname for this last 200 years has been. THE TORY PARTY AT PRAYER!!. So its a JOINT FIGHT against beggars--is it?. What a waste of resources and manpower--demonising the weak and sick. At most a mere handful of casualties of TORY social policies are begging. Heres an idea! How about instead of pursuing a few decrepit mentally sick people in this big PR exercise why not deal with the nightly drunken carnage on the city centre streets--thousands of young and old drunks--threatening strangers especially older people---assaulting nurses and medical staff at the A&E---fighting upn and down Micklegate---vomitin g everywhere----and NOT ONE policeman in site--unbridled violence that keeps older people out of the centre of THEIR CITY. When are these "fighters against beggars" going to get "stuck in" to these thousands of DRUNK YOBS every night??. Could it be that these fighters against beggars actually prefcer to push around these few social misfits rather than clean up our cities streets of the drunken hooligans. And please no PR scam from the police telling how ell they do their jobs of Law and Order. Go onto our cities streets at night--see and smell the crowds of drunk teenagers,fuelled by ALCOHOL and Testosterone . Bash a few harmless beggars--that's the way. Tory policies in action.[/p][/quote]what is this disease the Taxi-Drivers have, what the hell is irredentist ? alanyork
  • Score: 2

12:55pm Sun 13 Jul 14

andyjon12 says...

alanyork wrote:
samana wrote:
Final comment.
So the Tory Party is up to its usual disinformation tricks--that makes eminent sense--theres an election coming that the Tories look set to lose badly--scandal after scandal swept under the carpet..
And of course our wonderful compassionate Police are backing them to the Hilt--tooled up paramilitaries on the streets --fighting the "beggar menace"!--aided by the irredentist Taxi drivers..
And the Tory Beaurocracy at the Council--the unelected but powerful officials that detest us poor and waste taxpayers money assiduously ;like it was their lifes work..
And of course the Church of England --whose nickname for this last 200 years has been.
THE TORY PARTY AT PRAYER!!.
So its a JOINT FIGHT against beggars--is it?.
What a waste of resources and manpower--demonising the weak and sick.
At most a mere handful of casualties of TORY social policies are begging.
Heres an idea!
How about instead of pursuing a few decrepit mentally sick people
in this big PR exercise why not deal with the nightly drunken carnage on the city centre streets--thousands of young and old drunks--threatening strangers especially older people---assaulting nurses and medical staff at the A&E---fighting upn and down Micklegate---vomitin


g everywhere----and NOT ONE policeman in site--unbridled violence that keeps older people out of the centre of THEIR CITY.
When are these "fighters against beggars" going to get "stuck in" to these thousands of DRUNK YOBS every night??.
Could it be that these fighters against beggars actually prefcer to push around these few social misfits rather than clean up our cities streets of the drunken hooligans.
And please no PR scam from the police telling how ell they do their jobs of Law and Order.
Go onto our cities streets at night--see and smell the crowds of drunk teenagers,fuelled by ALCOHOL and Testosterone .
Bash a few harmless beggars--that's the way.
Tory policies in action.
what is this disease the Taxi-Drivers have, what the hell is irredentist ?
Never mind the TORIES. Simpson-Laing is an elected Labour Councillor who calls herself a SOCIALIST; she is an embarrassment to the socialist movement and to the people who it represents. At least with the Tories - you know what you're getting, however, surely, her voters would not have expected to see the Labour deputy leader of City of York Council out on the streets picking on beggars in this way - asking them to prove their benefit entitlement and threatening them with prosecution and criminalisation. I'm sure her "actions" will come back to haunt her and her cronies at next May's local and general elections. There is strong anecdotal evidence that suggests swathes of traditional working-class Labour voters are becoming completely disengaged and left feeling totally unrepresented - at local and national levels. Labour can not win - on the back of the middle-class vote alone. So, they need to start doing something about it - before it's too late.
[quote][p][bold]alanyork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: Final comment. So the Tory Party is up to its usual disinformation tricks--that makes eminent sense--theres an election coming that the Tories look set to lose badly--scandal after scandal swept under the carpet.. And of course our wonderful compassionate Police are backing them to the Hilt--tooled up paramilitaries on the streets --fighting the "beggar menace"!--aided by the irredentist Taxi drivers.. And the Tory Beaurocracy at the Council--the unelected but powerful officials that detest us poor and waste taxpayers money assiduously ;like it was their lifes work.. And of course the Church of England --whose nickname for this last 200 years has been. THE TORY PARTY AT PRAYER!!. So its a JOINT FIGHT against beggars--is it?. What a waste of resources and manpower--demonising the weak and sick. At most a mere handful of casualties of TORY social policies are begging. Heres an idea! How about instead of pursuing a few decrepit mentally sick people in this big PR exercise why not deal with the nightly drunken carnage on the city centre streets--thousands of young and old drunks--threatening strangers especially older people---assaulting nurses and medical staff at the A&E---fighting upn and down Micklegate---vomitin g everywhere----and NOT ONE policeman in site--unbridled violence that keeps older people out of the centre of THEIR CITY. When are these "fighters against beggars" going to get "stuck in" to these thousands of DRUNK YOBS every night??. Could it be that these fighters against beggars actually prefcer to push around these few social misfits rather than clean up our cities streets of the drunken hooligans. And please no PR scam from the police telling how ell they do their jobs of Law and Order. Go onto our cities streets at night--see and smell the crowds of drunk teenagers,fuelled by ALCOHOL and Testosterone . Bash a few harmless beggars--that's the way. Tory policies in action.[/p][/quote]what is this disease the Taxi-Drivers have, what the hell is irredentist ?[/p][/quote]Never mind the TORIES. Simpson-Laing is an elected Labour Councillor who calls herself a SOCIALIST; she is an embarrassment to the socialist movement and to the people who it represents. At least with the Tories - you know what you're getting, however, surely, her voters would not have expected to see the Labour deputy leader of City of York Council out on the streets picking on beggars in this way - asking them to prove their benefit entitlement and threatening them with prosecution and criminalisation. I'm sure her "actions" will come back to haunt her and her cronies at next May's local and general elections. There is strong anecdotal evidence that suggests swathes of traditional working-class Labour voters are becoming completely disengaged and left feeling totally unrepresented - at local and national levels. Labour can not win - on the back of the middle-class vote alone. So, they need to start doing something about it - before it's too late. andyjon12
  • Score: 6

3:06pm Sun 13 Jul 14

samana says...

alan ,
I do agree with you that the "new labour" party no longer represents the poor and disadvantaged in this country.

this country needs a Political party that represents the poor and disadvantaged working man and woman.

In order to be a true Democracy these changes are needed.

1-=-A fully elected President for a 5 year term.
The Monarchy and Aristocracy completely disbanded-and an end to all subsidies from Taxpayers money ended--no more fancy and meaningless titles..

2-=- A fully elected upper House for a 5 year term.
An end to Hereditary or appointed Expenses swindlers.
250 members only.

3-=-A fully elected lower House with max of 450 members.
NO amnesties for any member over expenses or anything else.
NO appointed Ministers or Civil Servants.

4-=-Any Member of the Upper or Lower House found guilty of any offense at all to be barred from any form of politics or public positions for life.

TRUE Proportional Representation voting system.
Which is--.
Divide the number of voters actually voting by the number of seats.
Divide each parties vote by this figure--that's TRUE Democracy in action.
Each party would then have a TRUE mandate--not the present semi criminal and totally immoral mishmash that has always denied representation to at least 30% of voters.
No more fiddling Seat Boundaries with every new Parliament.
No more employing CRIMINALS as PR in any Govt Office.(Cameron did this with Coulson.
No more Official Secrets Act being used to hide Ministerial Paedophiles--dirty filthy creatures should be castrated with a rusty knife.
Leave the EU immediately--its fast becoming the vehicle for a resurgent German Nazi party.
Stop giving rights to terrorists.
and stop demonising their victims--who we all know are jews.
Any committee in Parliement must have a working class rep from a Council Estate--elected by the people living on that estate.
Oh and give a Dictionary to Alan please.
alan , I do agree with you that the "new labour" party no longer represents the poor and disadvantaged in this country. this country needs a Political party that represents the poor and disadvantaged working man and woman. In order to be a true Democracy these changes are needed. 1-=-A fully elected President for a 5 year term. The Monarchy and Aristocracy completely disbanded-and an end to all subsidies from Taxpayers money ended--no more fancy and meaningless titles.. 2-=- A fully elected upper House for a 5 year term. An end to Hereditary or appointed Expenses swindlers. 250 members only. 3-=-A fully elected lower House with max of 450 members. NO amnesties for any member over expenses or anything else. NO appointed Ministers or Civil Servants. 4-=-Any Member of the Upper or Lower House found guilty of any offense at all to be barred from any form of politics or public positions for life. TRUE Proportional Representation voting system. Which is--. Divide the number of voters actually voting by the number of seats. Divide each parties vote by this figure--that's TRUE Democracy in action. Each party would then have a TRUE mandate--not the present semi criminal and totally immoral mishmash that has always denied representation to at least 30% of voters. No more fiddling Seat Boundaries with every new Parliament. No more employing CRIMINALS as PR in any Govt Office.(Cameron did this with Coulson. No more Official Secrets Act being used to hide Ministerial Paedophiles--dirty filthy creatures should be castrated with a rusty knife. Leave the EU immediately--its fast becoming the vehicle for a resurgent German Nazi party. Stop giving rights to terrorists. and stop demonising their victims--who we all know are jews. Any committee in Parliement must have a working class rep from a Council Estate--elected by the people living on that estate. Oh and give a Dictionary to Alan please. samana
  • Score: 1

3:18pm Sun 13 Jul 14

samana says...

Alan,
I do apologise for NOT including those creepy crawly New Labour beings
in my previous posts.
I assumed that it was a forgone conclusion in light of Tony Blair having David Kelly "commit suicide"..
A certain man said in the 1940s that the time would come when the fascists will pose as anti-Fascists--NOW is that time..
New Labour is a Christian led Jew hating party its policies in line with Establishment policies--.
This piece of female New Labour trash is typical of the White Middle Classes in their lack of compassion and truthfulness.
Don't vote for any party--Westminster will corrupt them.
Alan, I do apologise for NOT including those creepy crawly New Labour beings in my previous posts. I assumed that it was a forgone conclusion in light of Tony Blair having David Kelly "commit suicide".. A certain man said in the 1940s that the time would come when the fascists will pose as anti-Fascists--NOW is that time.. New Labour is a Christian led Jew hating party its policies in line with Establishment policies--. This piece of female New Labour trash is typical of the White Middle Classes in their lack of compassion and truthfulness. Don't vote for any party--Westminster will corrupt them. samana
  • Score: -1

5:29pm Sun 13 Jul 14

deckhanddave says...

Instead of begging wouldn't it be easier to go work for York Council? There's loads of useless beggers already earning hundreds of pounds a day and they get to sit in nice offices on their delicate posteriors instead of cold sometimes wet streets.
Instead of begging wouldn't it be easier to go work for York Council? There's loads of useless beggers already earning hundreds of pounds a day and they get to sit in nice offices on their delicate posteriors instead of cold sometimes wet streets. deckhanddave
  • Score: 2

6:49pm Sun 13 Jul 14

samana says...

Dave,Naughty ,
naughty--we must NEVER criticise our unelected Beaurocrats on the Council..
Theyre such fragile specimins of Humanity.
Its such a difficult job to spend your time thinking of ways to waste taxpayers hard earned money.
And oh boy do this Council waste money.
And get this!!.
Any complaints about these lazy and corrupt arseholes is only investigated by themselves resulting in 98 % of complaints being dismissed--.
Political Correctness gone insane.
NO FREEDOM of SPEECH with these folk.
Dave,Naughty , naughty--we must NEVER criticise our unelected Beaurocrats on the Council.. Theyre such fragile specimins of Humanity. Its such a difficult job to spend your time thinking of ways to waste taxpayers hard earned money. And oh boy do this Council waste money. And get this!!. Any complaints about these lazy and corrupt arseholes is only investigated by themselves resulting in 98 % of complaints being dismissed--. Political Correctness gone insane. NO FREEDOM of SPEECH with these folk. samana
  • Score: 2

9:34pm Sun 13 Jul 14

deckhanddave says...

samana wrote:
Dave,Naughty ,
naughty--we must NEVER criticise our unelected Beaurocrats on the Council..
Theyre such fragile specimins of Humanity.
Its such a difficult job to spend your time thinking of ways to waste taxpayers hard earned money.
And oh boy do this Council waste money.
And get this!!.
Any complaints about these lazy and corrupt arseholes is only investigated by themselves resulting in 98 % of complaints being dismissed--.
Political Correctness gone insane.
NO FREEDOM of SPEECH with these folk.
Tut tut Samana!

Fancy calling them Arseholes. I tend to find mine quite useful and it feels rather peeved at being compared to York Council. Fair puckered it did! What we need is more arseholes at the Council, after all, they are good at getting rid of s**t. (Big smile)
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: Dave,Naughty , naughty--we must NEVER criticise our unelected Beaurocrats on the Council.. Theyre such fragile specimins of Humanity. Its such a difficult job to spend your time thinking of ways to waste taxpayers hard earned money. And oh boy do this Council waste money. And get this!!. Any complaints about these lazy and corrupt arseholes is only investigated by themselves resulting in 98 % of complaints being dismissed--. Political Correctness gone insane. NO FREEDOM of SPEECH with these folk.[/p][/quote]Tut tut Samana! Fancy calling them Arseholes. I tend to find mine quite useful and it feels rather peeved at being compared to York Council. Fair puckered it did! What we need is more arseholes at the Council, after all, they are good at getting rid of s**t. (Big smile) deckhanddave
  • Score: 3

6:51am Mon 14 Jul 14

samana says...

Dave,
You might like being **** on by these Council PC people--I dont!.
Been shot on all your lifehave we?.
Dave, You might like being **** on by these Council PC people--I dont!. Been shot on all your lifehave we?. samana
  • Score: 0

6:59am Mon 14 Jul 14

notpedallingpaul says...

York2000 wrote:
Someone is actually adding Daily Mail articles to the comments threads. The Press website is fast becoming a joke.
Reading comments from the two prolific commentors is a joke, totaly lost the thread of the original issue!, the press closed down the comments on Lendal Bridge and Alexander's resignation stories, they should do the same on hear!
[quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: Someone is actually adding Daily Mail articles to the comments threads. The Press website is fast becoming a joke.[/p][/quote]Reading comments from the two prolific commentors is a joke, totaly lost the thread of the original issue!, the press closed down the comments on Lendal Bridge and Alexander's resignation stories, they should do the same on hear! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -1

7:00am Mon 14 Jul 14

notpedallingpaul says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
York2000 wrote:
Someone is actually adding Daily Mail articles to the comments threads. The Press website is fast becoming a joke.
Reading comments from the two prolific commentors is a joke, totaly lost the thread of the original issue!, the press closed down the comments on Lendal Bridge and Alexander's resignation stories, they should do the same on hear!
Sorry "here"
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: Someone is actually adding Daily Mail articles to the comments threads. The Press website is fast becoming a joke.[/p][/quote]Reading comments from the two prolific commentors is a joke, totaly lost the thread of the original issue!, the press closed down the comments on Lendal Bridge and Alexander's resignation stories, they should do the same on hear![/p][/quote]Sorry "here" notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 0

8:06am Mon 14 Jul 14

samana says...

paul,
Pity you couldn't be a Dictator youd really enjoy telling people whast to think--the attitudes to hold.
Or is it that your a secret supporter of "Beggar Rage"?.
paul, Pity you couldn't be a Dictator youd really enjoy telling people whast to think--the attitudes to hold. Or is it that your a secret supporter of "Beggar Rage"?. samana
  • Score: -2

8:33am Mon 14 Jul 14

deckhanddave says...

samana wrote:
Dave,
You might like being **** on by these Council PC people--I dont!.
Been shot on all your lifehave we?.
You miss my point. I refer to A holes being useful for getting rid of s**ts. The council being full of them and forever dumping on us mere mortals.
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: Dave, You might like being **** on by these Council PC people--I dont!. Been shot on all your lifehave we?.[/p][/quote]You miss my point. I refer to A holes being useful for getting rid of s**ts. The council being full of them and forever dumping on us mere mortals. deckhanddave
  • Score: 0

9:00am Mon 14 Jul 14

deckhanddave says...

Just as an aside, I have just had to cancel an appointment for a repair and the lady i spoke to was pleasant and very helpful. We both got a laugh and a smile out of it. So, it's not always the people that's at fault, it's the system. Unfortunately the system is shaping the higher ups into pompous self stroking, righteous priggs who know nothing but think they do. Times are hard and yes some beggars are a pain but there are also some that do need help. That help isn't always easily available. Lastly, some of these beggars are polite and not aggressive nor threatening. They sit quietly, sometimes asking for change and once wishing me a nice day. I always try to remember one thing, 'There but for the grace of God, go I'. So try to have a little compassion.
Just as an aside, I have just had to cancel an appointment for a repair and the lady i spoke to was pleasant and very helpful. We both got a laugh and a smile out of it. So, it's not always the people that's at fault, it's the system. Unfortunately the system is shaping the higher ups into pompous self stroking, righteous priggs who know nothing but think they do. Times are hard and yes some beggars are a pain but there are also some that do need help. That help isn't always easily available. Lastly, some of these beggars are polite and not aggressive nor threatening. They sit quietly, sometimes asking for change and once wishing me a nice day. I always try to remember one thing, 'There but for the grace of God, go I'. So try to have a little compassion. deckhanddave
  • Score: 2

11:17am Mon 14 Jul 14

samana says...

that's better Dave!!
For a while there you sounded like a typical stooge of this Monarchy headed Oligarchy that has ruled this country for thousands of years.
Did you know that 5 members of the present Government are related by blood to the head of the Ruling economic Oligarchy?.
David Cameron is a cousin of hers.
George Osbourne is a cousin removed a few places.
And we are bled dry for tax payers monies to fund the Monarchy and Aristocracy and their profligate and environmentally destructive policies.
The Churches have compassion 0NOT!.
I prefer to give food as a first resort.
Money secondly.
Other stuff too-such as blankets and clothes.
I do not do sanctimonius babbling like these corrupt and hate filled Councillors do.
that's better Dave!! For a while there you sounded like a typical stooge of this Monarchy headed Oligarchy that has ruled this country for thousands of years. Did you know that 5 members of the present Government are related by blood to the head of the Ruling economic Oligarchy?. David Cameron is a cousin of hers. George Osbourne is a cousin removed a few places. And we are bled dry for tax payers monies to fund the Monarchy and Aristocracy and their profligate and environmentally destructive policies. The Churches have compassion 0NOT!. I prefer to give food as a first resort. Money secondly. Other stuff too-such as blankets and clothes. I do not do sanctimonius babbling like these corrupt and hate filled Councillors do. samana
  • Score: -2

12:12pm Mon 14 Jul 14

holden79 says...

It's like that Phil Collins song about homelessness.....

"Oh, think twice, cos I can feel it in the air tonight,
Oh, (oh yeah), think twice, cos it's coming the in the air, coming in the air tonight (ooh yeah baby-eeeee)"

Really makes you think.
It's like that Phil Collins song about homelessness..... "Oh, think twice, cos I can feel it in the air tonight, Oh, (oh yeah), think twice, cos it's coming the in the air, coming in the air tonight (ooh yeah baby-eeeee)" Really makes you think. holden79
  • Score: 3

5:00pm Mon 14 Jul 14

samana says...

Going out for a bit of beggar-bashing then?
Going out for a bit of beggar-bashing then? samana
  • Score: -1

5:04pm Mon 14 Jul 14

holden79 says...

samana wrote:
Going out for a bit of beggar-bashing then?
HOW DARE YOU. That is a disgusting comment and should be removed. You should be ashamed of yourself.
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: Going out for a bit of beggar-bashing then?[/p][/quote]HOW DARE YOU. That is a disgusting comment and should be removed. You should be ashamed of yourself. holden79
  • Score: 3

6:33pm Mon 14 Jul 14

samana says...

Holden,
So you don't support Freedom of Speech then?.
How quaintly ostrich like.
Phil Collins is a multi-millionaire supporter of the Monarchy led Oligarchy that is impoverishing further the very poor in this country.
The words of his song that you quote are full of double meaning and veiled threats--sounds like a Muslim Fascist Hamas type warning.
Its coming to get you?.
Sounds like a threat to me!.
Holden, So you don't support Freedom of Speech then?. How quaintly ostrich like. Phil Collins is a multi-millionaire supporter of the Monarchy led Oligarchy that is impoverishing further the very poor in this country. The words of his song that you quote are full of double meaning and veiled threats--sounds like a Muslim Fascist Hamas type warning. Its coming to get you?. Sounds like a threat to me!. samana
  • Score: -6

9:06pm Mon 14 Jul 14

holden79 says...

samana wrote:
Holden,
So you don't support Freedom of Speech then?.
How quaintly ostrich like.
Phil Collins is a multi-millionaire supporter of the Monarchy led Oligarchy that is impoverishing further the very poor in this country.
The words of his song that you quote are full of double meaning and veiled threats--sounds like a Muslim Fascist Hamas type warning.
Its coming to get you?.
Sounds like a threat to me!.
????????????????????
??
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: Holden, So you don't support Freedom of Speech then?. How quaintly ostrich like. Phil Collins is a multi-millionaire supporter of the Monarchy led Oligarchy that is impoverishing further the very poor in this country. The words of his song that you quote are full of double meaning and veiled threats--sounds like a Muslim Fascist Hamas type warning. Its coming to get you?. Sounds like a threat to me!.[/p][/quote]???????????????????? ?? holden79
  • Score: 5

9:24am Wed 16 Jul 14

JonnyWalker says...

I am saddened to see the Salvation Army attaching themselves to this initiative. I would like to read an article which says, 'York Council pledges fight against homelessness and destitution. New shelters opened and addiction treatment centre places made available'. Instead it's ineffectual authoritarian posturing of which a Labour council should be thoroughly ashamed. It says it all that the piece of legislation which criminalises not just begging but actually homelessness is the 1824 vagrancy act, a piece of legislation nearly 200 years old when you could still be executed for stealing a loaf of bread.

Beneath the veneer of beautiful old buildings and tourist income there is another side to York, one of poverty and deprivation, which can't simply be 'swept off the streets'. York City Council, find some compassion please.
I am saddened to see the Salvation Army attaching themselves to this initiative. I would like to read an article which says, 'York Council pledges fight against homelessness and destitution. New shelters opened and addiction treatment centre places made available'. Instead it's ineffectual authoritarian posturing of which a Labour council should be thoroughly ashamed. It says it all that the piece of legislation which criminalises not just begging but actually homelessness is the 1824 vagrancy act, a piece of legislation nearly 200 years old when you could still be executed for stealing a loaf of bread. Beneath the veneer of beautiful old buildings and tourist income there is another side to York, one of poverty and deprivation, which can't simply be 'swept off the streets'. York City Council, find some compassion please. JonnyWalker
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Wed 16 Jul 14

deckhanddave says...

EEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ain't you lot bin busy! I'm going to grow my hair in readiness. Call me esq, lets go back to serfdom and I'll tug me forelock to the gent's and knobs! Step orf the path when a lady walks bye, oh I do that now for chavs wiv buggies and tourists. We are seemingly heading back to the dark ages very rapidly. The poor get poorer and increase in numbers. The rich get richer and decrease in numbers. York is very good at living a lie. The world sees York as an affluent City with no poverty. Statistics keep being spouted about the relatively few homeless and unemployed. What isn't shouted is the majority living in York are on minimum wage, have little prospects and struggle to pay their bills. Also, when I left school people in work didn't get all these benefits. They didn't need them because they were getting wages that were living wages. It wasn't easy but you could do it. There were a few Wino's about then, remember Eddie anyone? His little mate Colin, I think his name was?. They begged and scrounged. They also talked and I don't ever remember them being a problem. Sometimes persistent though. You will never get rid of beggars or begging whilst money exists. Why try? Just control it.
EEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ain't you lot bin busy! I'm going to grow my hair in readiness. Call me esq, lets go back to serfdom and I'll tug me forelock to the gent's and knobs! Step orf the path when a lady walks bye, oh I do that now for chavs wiv buggies and tourists. We are seemingly heading back to the dark ages very rapidly. The poor get poorer and increase in numbers. The rich get richer and decrease in numbers. York is very good at living a lie. The world sees York as an affluent City with no poverty. Statistics keep being spouted about the relatively few homeless and unemployed. What isn't shouted is the majority living in York are on minimum wage, have little prospects and struggle to pay their bills. Also, when I left school people in work didn't get all these benefits. They didn't need them because they were getting wages that were living wages. It wasn't easy but you could do it. There were a few Wino's about then, remember Eddie anyone? His little mate Colin, I think his name was?. They begged and scrounged. They also talked and I don't ever remember them being a problem. Sometimes persistent though. You will never get rid of beggars or begging whilst money exists. Why try? Just control it. deckhanddave
  • Score: 4

11:31pm Wed 16 Jul 14

tiberious says...

Just came back from York and had some tall guy come out the blue "do you have a sense of humour sir"
I had my wife and 2 kids with me I replied " I'm Scottish " he replied " some Scottish aren't , Charming .
I clicked on immediately it was a scam and rather intimidating , I was asked for £3 , I wanted to tell him where to go but didn't want to cause a scene , they know this as well . So I gave him £3 and took his home copied book of **** and went about my business , over in seconds , still love york though , I'm from west Lothian and never had Vikings in our heritage , I could imagine those beggars in that time period getting street justice . Ah well one can dream :)
Just came back from York and had some tall guy come out the blue "do you have a sense of humour sir" I had my wife and 2 kids with me I replied " I'm Scottish " he replied " some Scottish aren't , Charming . I clicked on immediately it was a scam and rather intimidating , I was asked for £3 , I wanted to tell him where to go but didn't want to cause a scene , they know this as well . So I gave him £3 and took his home copied book of **** and went about my business , over in seconds , still love york though , I'm from west Lothian and never had Vikings in our heritage , I could imagine those beggars in that time period getting street justice . Ah well one can dream :) tiberious
  • Score: 0

11:38pm Wed 16 Jul 14

missbouquet says...

Can someone please move on the beggar who stands out front of m and s, he pushed a big issue book in my face today, not a good impression given by marks and spencer. must put a lot of people off going in .
Can someone please move on the beggar who stands out front of m and s, he pushed a big issue book in my face today, not a good impression given by marks and spencer. must put a lot of people off going in . missbouquet
  • Score: 5

3:33am Thu 17 Jul 14

holyroller says...

samana wrote:
alan ,
I do agree with you that the "new labour" party no longer represents the poor and disadvantaged in this country.

this country needs a Political party that represents the poor and disadvantaged working man and woman.

In order to be a true Democracy these changes are needed.

1-=-A fully elected President for a 5 year term.
The Monarchy and Aristocracy completely disbanded-and an end to all subsidies from Taxpayers money ended--no more fancy and meaningless titles..

2-=- A fully elected upper House for a 5 year term.
An end to Hereditary or appointed Expenses swindlers.
250 members only.

3-=-A fully elected lower House with max of 450 members.
NO amnesties for any member over expenses or anything else.
NO appointed Ministers or Civil Servants.

4-=-Any Member of the Upper or Lower House found guilty of any offense at all to be barred from any form of politics or public positions for life.

TRUE Proportional Representation voting system.
Which is--.
Divide the number of voters actually voting by the number of seats.
Divide each parties vote by this figure--that's TRUE Democracy in action.
Each party would then have a TRUE mandate--not the present semi criminal and totally immoral mishmash that has always denied representation to at least 30% of voters.
No more fiddling Seat Boundaries with every new Parliament.
No more employing CRIMINALS as PR in any Govt Office.(Cameron did this with Coulson.
No more Official Secrets Act being used to hide Ministerial Paedophiles--dirty filthy creatures should be castrated with a rusty knife.
Leave the EU immediately--its fast becoming the vehicle for a resurgent German Nazi party.
Stop giving rights to terrorists.
and stop demonising their victims--who we all know are jews.
Any committee in Parliement must have a working class rep from a Council Estate--elected by the people living on that estate.
Oh and give a Dictionary to Alan please.
"Stop giving rights to terrorists. and stop demonising their victims--who we all know are jews."

Excuse me?
[quote][p][bold]samana[/bold] wrote: alan , I do agree with you that the "new labour" party no longer represents the poor and disadvantaged in this country. this country needs a Political party that represents the poor and disadvantaged working man and woman. In order to be a true Democracy these changes are needed. 1-=-A fully elected President for a 5 year term. The Monarchy and Aristocracy completely disbanded-and an end to all subsidies from Taxpayers money ended--no more fancy and meaningless titles.. 2-=- A fully elected upper House for a 5 year term. An end to Hereditary or appointed Expenses swindlers. 250 members only. 3-=-A fully elected lower House with max of 450 members. NO amnesties for any member over expenses or anything else. NO appointed Ministers or Civil Servants. 4-=-Any Member of the Upper or Lower House found guilty of any offense at all to be barred from any form of politics or public positions for life. TRUE Proportional Representation voting system. Which is--. Divide the number of voters actually voting by the number of seats. Divide each parties vote by this figure--that's TRUE Democracy in action. Each party would then have a TRUE mandate--not the present semi criminal and totally immoral mishmash that has always denied representation to at least 30% of voters. No more fiddling Seat Boundaries with every new Parliament. No more employing CRIMINALS as PR in any Govt Office.(Cameron did this with Coulson. No more Official Secrets Act being used to hide Ministerial Paedophiles--dirty filthy creatures should be castrated with a rusty knife. Leave the EU immediately--its fast becoming the vehicle for a resurgent German Nazi party. Stop giving rights to terrorists. and stop demonising their victims--who we all know are jews. Any committee in Parliement must have a working class rep from a Council Estate--elected by the people living on that estate. Oh and give a Dictionary to Alan please.[/p][/quote]"Stop giving rights to terrorists. and stop demonising their victims--who we all know are jews." Excuse me? holyroller
  • Score: 2
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