Alcohol costs York more than £77m a year

Drinking may be a major financial burden in York

Drinking may be a major financial burden in York

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YORK has "significantly higher rates" of binge drinking than the English average, and it costs the city more than £77 million a year, a new report has shown.

The figures, by Public Health England, will be presented to City of York Council next week (JUL 16), which looked at costs to the NHS, police, council licensing, social services and workplaces in the city, revealing an annual cost of £77.26m to the city.

The figures showed an estimated 47,894 over-18s binge drank in the city, drinking at least twice the daily recommended amount of alcohol in a single session - about 30 per cent of the population, compared to the national average of 20 per cent.

Julie Hotchkiss, the public health consultant who wrote the council report said: "York being an affluent city has a high consumption of alcohol however, it has relatively low levels of alcohol-related hospital admissions and deaths, particularly when compared to more deprived areas.

"Approximately 2.3 per cent of the workforce is employed in bars, and York was recently identified as being the seventh worse local authority for binge drinking. The city experiences higher than average levels of alcohol related violent crimes which are likely to be related to binge drinking and the night time economy."

Public Health England claimed York had an alcohol cost per head of £391, which was lower than the regional (£397), and national (£402) averages, and also showed an average of 5.9 ambulance call outs involved alcohol in the city centre on a Friday night, with 2.2 of those going to York Hospital. There were an average of 1.5 alcohol-related violent crimes, and 3.7 incidents of alcohol-related antisocial behaviour.

In recent months, City of York Council extended its Alcohol Restriction Zone, which made it an offence to drink on the streets anywhere within the city walls, with the council given new powers to enforce the rule.

The council, with Safer York Partnership and North Yorkshire Police has also been involved in the annual summer campaign to help crack down on alcohol-fuelled behaviour across North Yorkshire.

The report recommends Safer York Partnership work with the council's health and wellbeing board to look at ways to improve the situation, with an aim to publish a plan in September 2015, following public consultation.

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11:29am Thu 10 Jul 14

eeoodares says...

Parts of York are genuinely intimidating on a weekend, and it is not so much the locals causing problems. It is Yorks place as a top Stag and Hen venue. Nothing sums up a Saturday night in York better than seeing 20 girls wearing fairy wings, drunk, shouting and swearing whilst going to check-in at a Travelodge.
Parts of York are genuinely intimidating on a weekend, and it is not so much the locals causing problems. It is Yorks place as a top Stag and Hen venue. Nothing sums up a Saturday night in York better than seeing 20 girls wearing fairy wings, drunk, shouting and swearing whilst going to check-in at a Travelodge. eeoodares
  • Score: 55

12:09pm Thu 10 Jul 14

CHISSY1 says...

Blackpool is the top venue for stag and hen nights.I am surprised nobody has blamed racegoers,no doubt they will do before long.
Blackpool is the top venue for stag and hen nights.I am surprised nobody has blamed racegoers,no doubt they will do before long. CHISSY1
  • Score: -22

12:15pm Thu 10 Jul 14

nearlyman says...

Its the race goers causing all the problems.
Its the race goers causing all the problems. nearlyman
  • Score: 38

12:40pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Binkys says...

Levy a tax on racecourse to cover and meet
the cost of all the antisocial behavior caused by these monkeys in suits , who pretend they are millionaires for a weekend but behave like bellends .
Levy a tax on racecourse to cover and meet the cost of all the antisocial behavior caused by these monkeys in suits , who pretend they are millionaires for a weekend but behave like bellends . Binkys
  • Score: 32

12:41pm Thu 10 Jul 14

oi oi savaloy says...

The figures showed an estimated 47,894 over-18s binge drank in the city, drinking at least twice the daily recommended amount of alcohol in a single session - about 30 per cent of the population, compared to the national average of 20 per cent.

the big question is , out of the 47,894, how many were/are York residents? how many are out of town stag & hen do's and how many were/are students here for a short period of time?
The figures showed an estimated 47,894 over-18s binge drank in the city, drinking at least twice the daily recommended amount of alcohol in a single session - about 30 per cent of the population, compared to the national average of 20 per cent. the big question is , out of the 47,894, how many were/are York residents? how many are out of town stag & hen do's and how many were/are students here for a short period of time? oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 18

12:43pm Thu 10 Jul 14

bloodaxe says...

Of one thing you may be absolutely certain; nothing will be done to address the problem. As for prohibitions, there are parking prohibitions but they are not enforced, so why should acohol bans be ? This is one thing which I will blame Labour for, the national 24 hour drinking culture.
Of one thing you may be absolutely certain; nothing will be done to address the problem. As for prohibitions, there are parking prohibitions but they are not enforced, so why should acohol bans be ? This is one thing which I will blame Labour for, the national 24 hour drinking culture. bloodaxe
  • Score: 3

12:51pm Thu 10 Jul 14

bloodaxe says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
The figures showed an estimated 47,894 over-18s binge drank in the city, drinking at least twice the daily recommended amount of alcohol in a single session - about 30 per cent of the population, compared to the national average of 20 per cent.

the big question is , out of the 47,894, how many were/are York residents? how many are out of town stag & hen do's and how many were/are students here for a short period of time?
I don't really think it matters where people come from. If they're in York and drinking then it's a problem. Of course it's possible to go to places where only the locals walk the streets but would you want to live there ? One thing which might help alleviate the problem is tighter restrictions on the sale of the stuff and the prices charged, coupled with sane closing times and a police presence in numbers significant enough to nail the idiots who have no self control. However, thanks to,the wilder excesses of the private sector and the subsequent and consequent financial stringency then the latter is a remote possibility.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: The figures showed an estimated 47,894 over-18s binge drank in the city, drinking at least twice the daily recommended amount of alcohol in a single session - about 30 per cent of the population, compared to the national average of 20 per cent. the big question is , out of the 47,894, how many were/are York residents? how many are out of town stag & hen do's and how many were/are students here for a short period of time?[/p][/quote]I don't really think it matters where people come from. If they're in York and drinking then it's a problem. Of course it's possible to go to places where only the locals walk the streets but would you want to live there ? One thing which might help alleviate the problem is tighter restrictions on the sale of the stuff and the prices charged, coupled with sane closing times and a police presence in numbers significant enough to nail the idiots who have no self control. However, thanks to,the wilder excesses of the private sector and the subsequent and consequent financial stringency then the latter is a remote possibility. bloodaxe
  • Score: 9

1:08pm Thu 10 Jul 14

TheMinsterMen says...

Section 141 of the 'Licensing of Alcohol' law, clearly states it is against the law to serve someone who is already drunk.

As much blame lies with the bars and clubs which continue to freely serve the swaying, stumbling, incoherent person proping themselves up against the bar asking for more alcohol.
Section 141 of the 'Licensing of Alcohol' law, clearly states it is against the law to serve someone who is already drunk. As much blame lies with the bars and clubs which continue to freely serve the swaying, stumbling, incoherent person proping themselves up against the bar asking for more alcohol. TheMinsterMen
  • Score: 21

1:12pm Thu 10 Jul 14

X5019c says...

How on earth do you estimate a figure of 47,894?
How on earth do you estimate a figure of 47,894? X5019c
  • Score: 20

1:16pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Here's something simple that would go a way towards helping this problem..... Legalise cannabis.
Here's something simple that would go a way towards helping this problem..... Legalise cannabis. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 7

1:33pm Thu 10 Jul 14

tobefair says...

Never had these problems when pub opening times were 11.30am to 3.00pm and 5.30pm to 11.00pm.
Never had these problems when pub opening times were 11.30am to 3.00pm and 5.30pm to 11.00pm. tobefair
  • Score: 0

1:34pm Thu 10 Jul 14

redjan says...

I agree with TheMinsterMen completely - but also the "not allowing drinking in the streets within the City" surely I am not the only person who daily sees street drinkers drinking bottles of cider, etc., etc., with no police to stop them !!
I agree with TheMinsterMen completely - but also the "not allowing drinking in the streets within the City" surely I am not the only person who daily sees street drinkers drinking bottles of cider, etc., etc., with no police to stop them !! redjan
  • Score: 17

2:07pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Can't all be wrong says...

What other out come could anyone expect. The city has been turned into a leisure and entertainment venue. Bars, clubs, franchise restaurants occupy every other building in the city centre. The entire business model of all of these business's is get get as much alcohol down people as they can.
In the USA, the bar staff who serve alcohol to any drunk are regarded as liable in the event that person endangers themselves or others, maybe making these business's culpable for the damage they cause would help put an end to the problem! Or maybe not.
What other out come could anyone expect. The city has been turned into a leisure and entertainment venue. Bars, clubs, franchise restaurants occupy every other building in the city centre. The entire business model of all of these business's is get get as much alcohol down people as they can. In the USA, the bar staff who serve alcohol to any drunk are regarded as liable in the event that person endangers themselves or others, maybe making these business's culpable for the damage they cause would help put an end to the problem! Or maybe not. Can't all be wrong
  • Score: 8

2:20pm Thu 10 Jul 14

CHISSY1 says...

What a bunch of bigots.
What a bunch of bigots. CHISSY1
  • Score: -18

2:25pm Thu 10 Jul 14

smudge2 says...

Anybody for another one. Hic !!
Anybody for another one. Hic !! smudge2
  • Score: -2

2:39pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Overproof says...

So ...

The "cost" is £77 million - can they please subtract the alcohol duty paid to give the real net cost (which is probably a credit).

and ...

"an estimated 47,894 over-18s binge drank in the city, drinking at least twice the daily recommended amount of alcohol in a single session"

which is an average of 131 people per day (or less than one person per pub) drink more than 4 pints which is twice the daily recommended limit

... and then Public Health England reveal that York has a cost of alcohol per head that is :
Less than the regional average
and
Less than the National average.

What is the big deal ????
Who gets paid to write these guff reports ??
So ... The "cost" is £77 million - can they please subtract the alcohol duty paid to give the real net cost (which is probably a credit). and ... "an estimated 47,894 over-18s binge drank in the city, drinking at least twice the daily recommended amount of alcohol in a single session" which is an average of 131 people per day (or less than one person per pub) drink more than 4 pints which is twice the daily recommended limit ... and then Public Health England reveal that York has a cost of alcohol per head that is : Less than the regional average and Less than the National average. What is the big deal ???? Who gets paid to write these guff reports ?? Overproof
  • Score: 9

3:05pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Big Bad Wolf says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Here's something simple that would go a way towards helping this problem..... Legalise cannabis.
Why stop there?
Why not legalise cocaine and heroin?

I know that you will now wheel out the "But alcohol is a drug" line but legalising Cannabis is not the answer in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Here's something simple that would go a way towards helping this problem..... Legalise cannabis.[/p][/quote]Why stop there? Why not legalise cocaine and heroin? I know that you will now wheel out the "But alcohol is a drug" line but legalising Cannabis is not the answer in my opinion. Big Bad Wolf
  • Score: -6

5:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

york_chap says...

Can't all be wrong wrote:
What other out come could anyone expect. The city has been turned into a leisure and entertainment venue. Bars, clubs, franchise restaurants occupy every other building in the city centre. The entire business model of all of these business's is get get as much alcohol down people as they can.
In the USA, the bar staff who serve alcohol to any drunk are regarded as liable in the event that person endangers themselves or others, maybe making these business's culpable for the damage they cause would help put an end to the problem! Or maybe not.
Can't all be wrong says...

What other out come could anyone expect. The city has been turned into a leisure and entertainment venue. Bars, clubs, franchise restaurants occupy every other building in the city centre. The entire business model of all of these business's is get get as much alcohol down people as they can.

Spot on. If you continually grant planning permission and alcohol licences so that every premises which becomes vacant in the city ends up being turned into a bar/club/restaurant/
budget hotel, this is the direct result. This is what's been going on in York for several years now, so these findings hardly come as a surprise.

These businesses make such a colossal margin on booze that of course they want to flog as much as they possibly can; after all, people urinating, fighting, passing out, throwing up etc further down the street is of no concern to them. They've made their £12 off the bottle of wine and that's what matters.

Also, back when we just had one, proper, university and before the city was inundated by stag/hen parties every weekend, the problems we had were nowhere near this bad.
[quote][p][bold]Can't all be wrong[/bold] wrote: What other out come could anyone expect. The city has been turned into a leisure and entertainment venue. Bars, clubs, franchise restaurants occupy every other building in the city centre. The entire business model of all of these business's is get get as much alcohol down people as they can. In the USA, the bar staff who serve alcohol to any drunk are regarded as liable in the event that person endangers themselves or others, maybe making these business's culpable for the damage they cause would help put an end to the problem! Or maybe not.[/p][/quote]Can't all be wrong says... What other out come could anyone expect. The city has been turned into a leisure and entertainment venue. Bars, clubs, franchise restaurants occupy every other building in the city centre. The entire business model of all of these business's is get get as much alcohol down people as they can. Spot on. If you continually grant planning permission and alcohol licences so that every premises which becomes vacant in the city ends up being turned into a bar/club/restaurant/ budget hotel, this is the direct result. This is what's been going on in York for several years now, so these findings hardly come as a surprise. These businesses make such a colossal margin on booze that of course they want to flog as much as they possibly can; after all, people urinating, fighting, passing out, throwing up etc further down the street is of no concern to them. They've made their £12 off the bottle of wine and that's what matters. Also, back when we just had one, proper, university and before the city was inundated by stag/hen parties every weekend, the problems we had were nowhere near this bad. york_chap
  • Score: 6

5:40pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Ichabod76 says...

Big Bad Wolf wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Here's something simple that would go a way towards helping this problem..... Legalise cannabis.
Why stop there?
Why not legalise cocaine and heroin?

I know that you will now wheel out the "But alcohol is a drug" line but legalising Cannabis is not the answer in my opinion.
If you don't agree with legalising cannabis, how about making alcohol illegal ?

The problem with your argument is that the legalisation of cannabis is working in the U.S.A and Canada and it isn't causing a rise in the use of other drugs !
[quote][p][bold]Big Bad Wolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Here's something simple that would go a way towards helping this problem..... Legalise cannabis.[/p][/quote]Why stop there? Why not legalise cocaine and heroin? I know that you will now wheel out the "But alcohol is a drug" line but legalising Cannabis is not the answer in my opinion.[/p][/quote]If you don't agree with legalising cannabis, how about making alcohol illegal ? The problem with your argument is that the legalisation of cannabis is working in the U.S.A and Canada and it isn't causing a rise in the use of other drugs ! Ichabod76
  • Score: -4

5:42pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Ichabod76 says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
What a bunch of bigots.
I think I speak for most when I say, What an Idiot you are.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: What a bunch of bigots.[/p][/quote]I think I speak for most when I say, What an Idiot you are. Ichabod76
  • Score: 10

6:20pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Big Bad Wolf wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Here's something simple that would go a way towards helping this problem..... Legalise cannabis.
Why stop there?
Why not legalise cocaine and heroin?

I know that you will now wheel out the "But alcohol is a drug" line but legalising Cannabis is not the answer in my opinion.
Ok, well legalising many drugs including heroin and cocaine would an option to mitigate the associated human suffering and petty crime but it's an entirely different ballpark to what's being discussed here and so it's for another day that one.

As for cannabis, I didn't say it was "the answer" I said it would go a way towards helping.

Yes, alcohol is a drug and heroin is a drug and cocaine is a drug and cannabis is a drug and paracetamol is a drug. Not all drugs are the same. Just because they are called "drug" doesn't make them equal.
That's called over-extension.
Banana is fruit and apple is fruit so if they are both fruit then is an apple a banana? No.


So anyway, my point. Which I shouldn't have to explain because it's common knowledge almost to the point of stereotype.
Legalising cannabis would make it more easily available and perhaps more widely used. Compared to alcohol, cannabis affects people in a very different way. It's difficult to put yourself in hospital with one night's heavy cannabis use. It's almost impossible to reach the LD50 of cannabis in one sitting, unlike alcohol.
Contrary to the propaganda, cannabis doesn;t make people lairy in the street, doesn't make people kick off in the kebab house and doesn;t make them so off their head they can't stand up or stay away from the river or fall in front of cars.

Above all, cannabis appears to have a calming affect. A toke or two before going out on the town would suppress the desire to get so hammered and indeed perhaps make it physically harder.
Maybe young people would take to sitting around listening to music and chatting whilst stoned, instead of yawping around town dressed as gorillas, puking and kicking each others heads in?

It's worth a try I'd say.
[quote][p][bold]Big Bad Wolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Here's something simple that would go a way towards helping this problem..... Legalise cannabis.[/p][/quote]Why stop there? Why not legalise cocaine and heroin? I know that you will now wheel out the "But alcohol is a drug" line but legalising Cannabis is not the answer in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Ok, well legalising many drugs including heroin and cocaine would an option to mitigate the associated human suffering and petty crime but it's an entirely different ballpark to what's being discussed here and so it's for another day that one. As for cannabis, I didn't say it was "the answer" I said it would go a way towards helping. Yes, alcohol is a drug and heroin is a drug and cocaine is a drug and cannabis is a drug and paracetamol is a drug. Not all drugs are the same. Just because they are called "drug" doesn't make them equal. That's called over-extension. Banana is fruit and apple is fruit so if they are both fruit then is an apple a banana? No. So anyway, my point. Which I shouldn't have to explain because it's common knowledge almost to the point of stereotype. Legalising cannabis would make it more easily available and perhaps more widely used. Compared to alcohol, cannabis affects people in a very different way. It's difficult to put yourself in hospital with one night's heavy cannabis use. It's almost impossible to reach the LD50 of cannabis in one sitting, unlike alcohol. Contrary to the propaganda, cannabis doesn;t make people lairy in the street, doesn't make people kick off in the kebab house and doesn;t make them so off their head they can't stand up or stay away from the river or fall in front of cars. Above all, cannabis appears to have a calming affect. A toke or two before going out on the town would suppress the desire to get so hammered and indeed perhaps make it physically harder. Maybe young people would take to sitting around listening to music and chatting whilst stoned, instead of yawping around town dressed as gorillas, puking and kicking each others heads in? It's worth a try I'd say. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -2

7:47pm Thu 10 Jul 14

CHISSY1 says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
What a bunch of bigots.
I think I speak for most when I say, What an Idiot you are.
You speak for most,fishing for support are you.So why are you saying that i am an idiot.I annoy people because i tell it as it is,unlike the two faced,mealy mouthed pathetic do gooders who post on this site.So how have i upset you.?.
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: What a bunch of bigots.[/p][/quote]I think I speak for most when I say, What an Idiot you are.[/p][/quote]You speak for most,fishing for support are you.So why are you saying that i am an idiot.I annoy people because i tell it as it is,unlike the two faced,mealy mouthed pathetic do gooders who post on this site.So how have i upset you.?. CHISSY1
  • Score: -10

7:50pm Thu 10 Jul 14

smudge2 says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
Ichabod76 wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
What a bunch of bigots.
I think I speak for most when I say, What an Idiot you are.
You speak for most,fishing for support are you.So why are you saying that i am an idiot.I annoy people because i tell it as it is,unlike the two faced,mealy mouthed pathetic do gooders who post on this site.So how have i upset you.?.
Go on Chissy give it to em.!!
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: What a bunch of bigots.[/p][/quote]I think I speak for most when I say, What an Idiot you are.[/p][/quote]You speak for most,fishing for support are you.So why are you saying that i am an idiot.I annoy people because i tell it as it is,unlike the two faced,mealy mouthed pathetic do gooders who post on this site.So how have i upset you.?.[/p][/quote]Go on Chissy give it to em.!! smudge2
  • Score: -3

7:58pm Thu 10 Jul 14

JasBro says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Big Bad Wolf wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Here's something simple that would go a way towards helping this problem..... Legalise cannabis.
Why stop there?
Why not legalise cocaine and heroin?

I know that you will now wheel out the "But alcohol is a drug" line but legalising Cannabis is not the answer in my opinion.
Ok, well legalising many drugs including heroin and cocaine would an option to mitigate the associated human suffering and petty crime but it's an entirely different ballpark to what's being discussed here and so it's for another day that one.

As for cannabis, I didn't say it was "the answer" I said it would go a way towards helping.

Yes, alcohol is a drug and heroin is a drug and cocaine is a drug and cannabis is a drug and paracetamol is a drug. Not all drugs are the same. Just because they are called "drug" doesn't make them equal.
That's called over-extension.
Banana is fruit and apple is fruit so if they are both fruit then is an apple a banana? No.


So anyway, my point. Which I shouldn't have to explain because it's common knowledge almost to the point of stereotype.
Legalising cannabis would make it more easily available and perhaps more widely used. Compared to alcohol, cannabis affects people in a very different way. It's difficult to put yourself in hospital with one night's heavy cannabis use. It's almost impossible to reach the LD50 of cannabis in one sitting, unlike alcohol.
Contrary to the propaganda, cannabis doesn;t make people lairy in the street, doesn't make people kick off in the kebab house and doesn;t make them so off their head they can't stand up or stay away from the river or fall in front of cars.

Above all, cannabis appears to have a calming affect. A toke or two before going out on the town would suppress the desire to get so hammered and indeed perhaps make it physically harder.
Maybe young people would take to sitting around listening to music and chatting whilst stoned, instead of yawping around town dressed as gorillas, puking and kicking each others heads in?

It's worth a try I'd say.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Big Bad Wolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Here's something simple that would go a way towards helping this problem..... Legalise cannabis.[/p][/quote]Why stop there? Why not legalise cocaine and heroin? I know that you will now wheel out the "But alcohol is a drug" line but legalising Cannabis is not the answer in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Ok, well legalising many drugs including heroin and cocaine would an option to mitigate the associated human suffering and petty crime but it's an entirely different ballpark to what's being discussed here and so it's for another day that one. As for cannabis, I didn't say it was "the answer" I said it would go a way towards helping. Yes, alcohol is a drug and heroin is a drug and cocaine is a drug and cannabis is a drug and paracetamol is a drug. Not all drugs are the same. Just because they are called "drug" doesn't make them equal. That's called over-extension. Banana is fruit and apple is fruit so if they are both fruit then is an apple a banana? No. So anyway, my point. Which I shouldn't have to explain because it's common knowledge almost to the point of stereotype. Legalising cannabis would make it more easily available and perhaps more widely used. Compared to alcohol, cannabis affects people in a very different way. It's difficult to put yourself in hospital with one night's heavy cannabis use. It's almost impossible to reach the LD50 of cannabis in one sitting, unlike alcohol. Contrary to the propaganda, cannabis doesn;t make people lairy in the street, doesn't make people kick off in the kebab house and doesn;t make them so off their head they can't stand up or stay away from the river or fall in front of cars. Above all, cannabis appears to have a calming affect. A toke or two before going out on the town would suppress the desire to get so hammered and indeed perhaps make it physically harder. Maybe young people would take to sitting around listening to music and chatting whilst stoned, instead of yawping around town dressed as gorillas, puking and kicking each others heads in? It's worth a try I'd say.[/p][/quote]Well said. JasBro
  • Score: 4

8:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

sheps lad says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Here's something simple that would go a way towards helping this problem..... Legalise cannabis.
Were you in San Francisco with flowers in your hair?
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Here's something simple that would go a way towards helping this problem..... Legalise cannabis.[/p][/quote]Were you in San Francisco with flowers in your hair? sheps lad
  • Score: 1

8:47pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

sheps lad wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Here's something simple that would go a way towards helping this problem..... Legalise cannabis.
Were you in San Francisco with flowers in your hair?
No I was in space being a ranger, looking out for the evil Zorg.

San Francisco and that whole sixties thing was more about LSD and the changing post war dynamic.
[quote][p][bold]sheps lad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Here's something simple that would go a way towards helping this problem..... Legalise cannabis.[/p][/quote]Were you in San Francisco with flowers in your hair?[/p][/quote]No I was in space being a ranger, looking out for the evil Zorg. San Francisco and that whole sixties thing was more about LSD and the changing post war dynamic. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -4

11:54pm Thu 10 Jul 14

baldiebiker says...

tobefair wrote:
Never had these problems when pub opening times were 11.30am to 3.00pm and 5.30pm to 11.00pm.
Oh yes we did, I used to drink in York in the late 60's early 70's it just all kicked off earlier, unless you ended up in the "Old World" club?
[quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Never had these problems when pub opening times were 11.30am to 3.00pm and 5.30pm to 11.00pm.[/p][/quote]Oh yes we did, I used to drink in York in the late 60's early 70's it just all kicked off earlier, unless you ended up in the "Old World" club? baldiebiker
  • Score: 3

12:41am Fri 11 Jul 14

powerwatt says...

Overproof wrote:
So ...

The "cost" is £77 million - can they please subtract the alcohol duty paid to give the real net cost (which is probably a credit).

and ...

"an estimated 47,894 over-18s binge drank in the city, drinking at least twice the daily recommended amount of alcohol in a single session"

which is an average of 131 people per day (or less than one person per pub) drink more than 4 pints which is twice the daily recommended limit

... and then Public Health England reveal that York has a cost of alcohol per head that is :
Less than the regional average
and
Less than the National average.

What is the big deal ????
Who gets paid to write these guff reports ??
Where the hell are they comparing to on the prices?!

Most of Yorkshire pay half the price for drinks
[quote][p][bold]Overproof[/bold] wrote: So ... The "cost" is £77 million - can they please subtract the alcohol duty paid to give the real net cost (which is probably a credit). and ... "an estimated 47,894 over-18s binge drank in the city, drinking at least twice the daily recommended amount of alcohol in a single session" which is an average of 131 people per day (or less than one person per pub) drink more than 4 pints which is twice the daily recommended limit ... and then Public Health England reveal that York has a cost of alcohol per head that is : Less than the regional average and Less than the National average. What is the big deal ???? Who gets paid to write these guff reports ??[/p][/quote]Where the hell are they comparing to on the prices?! Most of Yorkshire pay half the price for drinks powerwatt
  • Score: 0

1:18am Fri 11 Jul 14

FarmersBlonde says...

If you are going to publish a report on the costs, you really need to calculate the benefits as well, so we get a true picture. You can discuss the pro and cons of the alcohol related businesses in York, but I don't think anyone could argue that money brought in far out way the costs. You could potentially save £77 million, but you would lose thousands of jobs in pubs, restaurants and hotels, as well as hundreds of millions of pounds of tax revenue and investment.
If you are going to publish a report on the costs, you really need to calculate the benefits as well, so we get a true picture. You can discuss the pro and cons of the alcohol related businesses in York, but I don't think anyone could argue that money brought in far out way the costs. You could potentially save £77 million, but you would lose thousands of jobs in pubs, restaurants and hotels, as well as hundreds of millions of pounds of tax revenue and investment. FarmersBlonde
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4:29pm Fri 11 Jul 14

welf_man says...

tobefair wrote:
Never had these problems when pub opening times were 11.30am to 3.00pm and 5.30pm to 11.00pm.
Of course we did! I was a teenager when those licensing hours were the norm and it was bl**dy terrifying being female on the streets at chucking-out time. People just drank faster, all at the same times - at least now there's a range of times when they spill out on to the streets.
[quote][p][bold]tobefair[/bold] wrote: Never had these problems when pub opening times were 11.30am to 3.00pm and 5.30pm to 11.00pm.[/p][/quote]Of course we did! I was a teenager when those licensing hours were the norm and it was bl**dy terrifying being female on the streets at chucking-out time. People just drank faster, all at the same times - at least now there's a range of times when they spill out on to the streets. welf_man
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5:21pm Fri 11 Jul 14

yawn.. says...

Holy carp... Alcohol costing York £77m a year you say.. well isn't it high time they stopped serving it at council meetings.?
Holy carp... Alcohol costing York £77m a year you say.. well isn't it high time they stopped serving it at council meetings.? yawn..
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