Locals fight to save York pub - but owners say it shouldn't be protected

Locals fight to save York pub - but owners say it shouldn't be protected

Locals fight to save York pub - but owners say it shouldn't be protected

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RESIDENTS want city leaders to safeguard the future of a York pub, amid fears it could be forced to close.

Rawcliffe Parish Council is calling for The Mitre in Shipton Road to be designated as an official "asset of community value," which would prevent owners Enterprise Inns selling the pub without first giving the local community six months to try to buy it.

But Enterprise has opposed the move, saying the pub is struggling and that there are others nearby. The matter will now be decided by City of York Council next Thursday.

The parish council says The Mitre, which is owned by Enterprise Inns, is the only pub in the parish area to offer "community facilities" and says it is a meeting place for sports teams and community groups, and offers activities for a range of age groups.

In a letter to the city council, parish council clerk Nicola Moorcroft wrote: "The Mitre boosts the social wellbeing of the community, and as such, is valued as an asset to this particular area of the city."

But Emma Hurst, asset manager for Enterprise Inns, has opposed the local attempt to protect the pub.

In a letter to the council, she said the pub trade had been hit hard by the 2007 smoking ban, Britain's high tax on beer, rising utility costs and business rates, and the economic crisis of the past few years.

She said: "The Mitre has not escaped this economic decline. Since 2007, beer sales at The Mitre have reduced by 52 per cent."

>> Read the parish council's application

>> Read the objection by Enterprise Inns

Ms Hurst said the long-standing publican at The Mitre had recently left and said there were three other pubs nearby: The Lysander Arms, The Dormouse and Riverside Farm.

She said those could all serve the community functions of The Mitre, including acting as a local focal point and base for sports teams and groups, such as the over-50s "Young at Heart luncheon club", which meets in the pub twice a month.

She wrote: "It is apparent that the local community already benefits from an ample number of alternative community facilities in close proximity to The Mitre. We therefore believe that the addition of The Mitre to the register is inappropriate."

The introduction of "assets of community value" was part of the 2011 Localism Act, aimed at enabling communities to protect valuable amenities. The pub application will be considered by the city council's finance boss Coun Dafydd Williams next Thursday.

At the same meeting, Coun Williams will also be asked to rule on a similar application by Holgate residents for The Fox Inn, although since that application was written, the pub has reopened following a £300,000 refurbishment by Punch Taverns and Ossett Brewery.

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2:40pm Thu 10 Jul 14

cambsmover says...

The problem over the last few years was the inhospitable, former licensee, custom dropped off especially in the last 12 months. It has recently changed hands so this might be fixed.
The problem over the last few years was the inhospitable, former licensee, custom dropped off especially in the last 12 months. It has recently changed hands so this might be fixed. cambsmover
  • Score: 41

3:06pm Thu 10 Jul 14

nearlyman says...

What do you expect when the licensee has his head nailed to the floor by the pubco ?
What do you expect when the licensee has his head nailed to the floor by the pubco ? nearlyman
  • Score: 30

3:19pm Thu 10 Jul 14

York1900 says...

Pub chains are only interested in City Centre pubs because there is big profits to be made

Outside the city centre the profit is selling the pub for building regardless community facilities that the pub gives community

Pub chains outside the city centre tend to put inhospitable licensees in who are not interested in the local community and only interested in profits for as little work as possible and if a good licensees does get in to a pub

Pub chains then become unhelpful to the licensee on any changes the licensee wants to make
Pub chains are only interested in City Centre pubs because there is big profits to be made Outside the city centre the profit is selling the pub for building regardless community facilities that the pub gives community Pub chains outside the city centre tend to put inhospitable licensees in who are not interested in the local community and only interested in profits for as little work as possible and if a good licensees does get in to a pub Pub chains then become unhelpful to the licensee on any changes the licensee wants to make York1900
  • Score: 31

3:24pm Thu 10 Jul 14

eeoodares says...

York1900 wrote:
Pub chains are only interested in City Centre pubs because there is big profits to be made

Outside the city centre the profit is selling the pub for building regardless community facilities that the pub gives community

Pub chains outside the city centre tend to put inhospitable licensees in who are not interested in the local community and only interested in profits for as little work as possible and if a good licensees does get in to a pub

Pub chains then become unhelpful to the licensee on any changes the licensee wants to make
"Inhospitable licensees in who are not interested in the local community and only interested in profits for as little work as possible" Try running a pub, long hours and pay way beneath minimum wage. Then you have to deal with drunks and people like you who think that they are Alan Sugar!
[quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: Pub chains are only interested in City Centre pubs because there is big profits to be made Outside the city centre the profit is selling the pub for building regardless community facilities that the pub gives community Pub chains outside the city centre tend to put inhospitable licensees in who are not interested in the local community and only interested in profits for as little work as possible and if a good licensees does get in to a pub Pub chains then become unhelpful to the licensee on any changes the licensee wants to make[/p][/quote]"Inhospitable licensees in who are not interested in the local community and only interested in profits for as little work as possible" Try running a pub, long hours and pay way beneath minimum wage. Then you have to deal with drunks and people like you who think that they are Alan Sugar! eeoodares
  • Score: 15

4:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

yorkandproud says...

Like it or not, Enterprise Inns own the pub, and they should be able to do what they want with it. Ask yourself, would you want a local councillor telling you what to do with your business ?
Like it or not, Enterprise Inns own the pub, and they should be able to do what they want with it. Ask yourself, would you want a local councillor telling you what to do with your business ? yorkandproud
  • Score: -8

4:41pm Thu 10 Jul 14

big boy york says...

always found it to be a bit of a dive
always found it to be a bit of a dive big boy york
  • Score: 21

4:59pm Thu 10 Jul 14

meme says...

Its a dive and an eyesore!

How can the locals tell a private business whether to be open or not
what is the world coming to?
Its a dive and an eyesore! How can the locals tell a private business whether to be open or not what is the world coming to? meme
  • Score: 17

5:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

marvell says...

meme wrote:
Its a dive and an eyesore!

How can the locals tell a private business whether to be open or not
what is the world coming to?
It's a hugely more complex scenario than that. There's been some good publicity recently by York CAMRA on this issue - highlighting the business ethics of the big pub companies:

http://www.yorkmix.c
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rk-pub-interviews-th
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so-near-yet-so-far-a
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[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: Its a dive and an eyesore! How can the locals tell a private business whether to be open or not what is the world coming to?[/p][/quote]It's a hugely more complex scenario than that. There's been some good publicity recently by York CAMRA on this issue - highlighting the business ethics of the big pub companies: http://www.yorkmix.c om/food-drink/the-yo rk-pub-interviews-th e-slip-and-the-swan- so-near-yet-so-far-a part/ marvell
  • Score: 10

6:24pm Thu 10 Jul 14

cambsmover says...

Seems like Enterprise Inns is not able to get anything right, their response is completely inaccurate. Riverside Farm is in Skelton parish and The Dormouse is in Clifton Without parish, so they do not serve Rawcliffe as such. Both Riverside Farm and The Dormouse are more than 0.5 mile from The Mitre, although not by much.
Seems like Enterprise Inns is not able to get anything right, their response is completely inaccurate. Riverside Farm is in Skelton parish and The Dormouse is in Clifton Without parish, so they do not serve Rawcliffe as such. Both Riverside Farm and The Dormouse are more than 0.5 mile from The Mitre, although not by much. cambsmover
  • Score: 12

6:30pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Dave Ruddock says...

between the supermarkets and unhelpful Companies, Restaurants, Eateries I think the Public House is all but died. As for this public house and (Enterprise under sub Lieutenant Burk,) saying others establishments nearby) that's Defeatist on the Enterprise side.

HOPE the residents find some one to run the place
between the supermarkets and unhelpful Companies, Restaurants, Eateries I think the Public House is all but died. As for this public house and (Enterprise under sub Lieutenant Burk,) saying others establishments nearby) that's Defeatist on the Enterprise side. HOPE the residents find some one to run the place Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 4

7:48pm Thu 10 Jul 14

smudge2 says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
between the supermarkets and unhelpful Companies, Restaurants, Eateries I think the Public House is all but died. As for this public house and (Enterprise under sub Lieutenant Burk,) saying others establishments nearby) that's Defeatist on the Enterprise side.

HOPE the residents find some one to run the place
Drink at home...its cheaper ,safer and less distance to walk home when you have had enough.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: between the supermarkets and unhelpful Companies, Restaurants, Eateries I think the Public House is all but died. As for this public house and (Enterprise under sub Lieutenant Burk,) saying others establishments nearby) that's Defeatist on the Enterprise side. HOPE the residents find some one to run the place[/p][/quote]Drink at home...its cheaper ,safer and less distance to walk home when you have had enough. smudge2
  • Score: -11

8:55pm Thu 10 Jul 14

anti-rant says...

cambsmover wrote:
The problem over the last few years was the inhospitable, former licensee, custom dropped off especially in the last 12 months. It has recently changed hands so this might be fixed.
You are too right on this one, mate. People are starting to come back, though.
[quote][p][bold]cambsmover[/bold] wrote: The problem over the last few years was the inhospitable, former licensee, custom dropped off especially in the last 12 months. It has recently changed hands so this might be fixed.[/p][/quote]You are too right on this one, mate. People are starting to come back, though. anti-rant
  • Score: 16

11:29pm Thu 10 Jul 14

dweezil says...

I recomend people do some reading on the pubco subject. In York it has been proven that "unworkable" pubs once freed from pubco control have prospered. Enterprise and Target are interested in property. property and its value is looking up. Keep your local. Once its gone, its gone. Then we will all be drinking at home having gone to Tesco. Society vanishing up its rear. I BELIEVE IT NEEDS NO HELP. Don't get me started on binge drinking in town on weekends. Stop serving lager. End of.
I recomend people do some reading on the pubco subject. In York it has been proven that "unworkable" pubs once freed from pubco control have prospered. Enterprise and Target are interested in property. property and its value is looking up. Keep your local. Once its gone, its gone. Then we will all be drinking at home having gone to Tesco. Society vanishing up its rear. I BELIEVE IT NEEDS NO HELP. Don't get me started on binge drinking in town on weekends. Stop serving lager. End of. dweezil
  • Score: 19

12:06am Fri 11 Jul 14

3.8liter says...

Time to let this one go. There are far better pubs within a stone's throw of this dump. Same old story, nobody supported this place when they had the opportunity, now they start winging when it is about to close.
Time to let this one go. There are far better pubs within a stone's throw of this dump. Same old story, nobody supported this place when they had the opportunity, now they start winging when it is about to close. 3.8liter
  • Score: 4

1:02am Fri 11 Jul 14

FarmersBlonde says...

yorkandproud wrote:
Like it or not, Enterprise Inns own the pub, and they should be able to do what they want with it. Ask yourself, would you want a local councillor telling you what to do with your business ?
The issue of whether the local council or local community can do this is not in doubt; the 2011 Localism act allows pubs to listed as assets of community interest. The issue should be whether this pub should be listed as such an asset. All listing does is give the community an opportunity to but the pub, it does not stop Punch from selling the pub. May be Punch just made a bad investment - it wouldn't be the first time!
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: Like it or not, Enterprise Inns own the pub, and they should be able to do what they want with it. Ask yourself, would you want a local councillor telling you what to do with your business ?[/p][/quote]The issue of whether the local council or local community can do this is not in doubt; the 2011 Localism act allows pubs to listed as assets of community interest. The issue should be whether this pub should be listed as such an asset. All listing does is give the community an opportunity to but the pub, it does not stop Punch from selling the pub. May be Punch just made a bad investment - it wouldn't be the first time! FarmersBlonde
  • Score: 9

2:29pm Fri 11 Jul 14

holyroller says...

All related to the housing market. Pubco put in landlords to force failure so they can profit from the land, justifying closure of community assets through quotes like...
"The Mitre has not escaped this economic decline. Since 2007, beer sales at The Mitre have reduced by 52 per cent." Entirely by design, it would be interesting to see how much decline in each year. They started the process at The Fox by making it as inhospitable as possible after the last landlord got fed up of poor investment despite high profits. Thankfully Ossett Brewery got involved.

Well run independents are not closing, as noted above, once released from Pubco many places do well. It's pure profiteering.
All related to the housing market. Pubco put in landlords to force failure so they can profit from the land, justifying closure of community assets through quotes like... "The Mitre has not escaped this economic decline. Since 2007, beer sales at The Mitre have reduced by 52 per cent." Entirely by design, it would be interesting to see how much decline in each year. They started the process at The Fox by making it as inhospitable as possible after the last landlord got fed up of poor investment despite high profits. Thankfully Ossett Brewery got involved. Well run independents are not closing, as noted above, once released from Pubco many places do well. It's pure profiteering. holyroller
  • Score: 5

10:14pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Executive Stress says...

I ain't surprised this pub has gone to the dogs.... I drove a darts team to play a match here.....asked for a pint of cordial....and the landlord charged me £2.60.....I said it's a glass of squash not lager and she told me they charged £1 for serving it!!!!! I don't pay more than £1 in any other pub.. . Disgusted....never set foot in their since.. since then darts team gets taxi there and back at a cost of £40.... £40 that could've been spent behind the bar.......This pub deserves all it gets imho!!!!!
I ain't surprised this pub has gone to the dogs.... I drove a darts team to play a match here.....asked for a pint of cordial....and the landlord charged me £2.60.....I said it's a glass of squash not lager and she told me they charged £1 for serving it!!!!! I don't pay more than £1 in any other pub.. . Disgusted....never set foot in their since.. since then darts team gets taxi there and back at a cost of £40.... £40 that could've been spent behind the bar.......This pub deserves all it gets imho!!!!! Executive Stress
  • Score: 4

9:54am Thu 17 Jul 14

anti-rant says...

Executive Stress wrote:
I ain't surprised this pub has gone to the dogs.... I drove a darts team to play a match here.....asked for a pint of cordial....and the landlord charged me £2.60.....I said it's a glass of squash not lager and she told me they charged £1 for serving it!!!!! I don't pay more than £1 in any other pub.. . Disgusted....never set foot in their since.. since then darts team gets taxi there and back at a cost of £40.... £40 that could've been spent behind the bar.......This pub deserves all it gets imho!!!!!
New manager - Carol has gone and so has the stupid prices.
[quote][p][bold]Executive Stress[/bold] wrote: I ain't surprised this pub has gone to the dogs.... I drove a darts team to play a match here.....asked for a pint of cordial....and the landlord charged me £2.60.....I said it's a glass of squash not lager and she told me they charged £1 for serving it!!!!! I don't pay more than £1 in any other pub.. . Disgusted....never set foot in their since.. since then darts team gets taxi there and back at a cost of £40.... £40 that could've been spent behind the bar.......This pub deserves all it gets imho!!!!![/p][/quote]New manager - Carol has gone and so has the stupid prices. anti-rant
  • Score: 0
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