City of York Council face £485m liability

City of York Council face £485m liability

City of York Council face £485m liability

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YORKSHIRE councils have been accused of saddling future generations with today’s debts, after new research suggested local authorities have extensive long-term liabilities and borrowings which often exceed their assets.

Campaign group the Taxpayers’ Alliance yesterday issued figures on councils’ liabilities, which include long-term loans and pension scheme deficits.

The data shows that in 2012/13 City of York Council had liabilities of £485 million and borrowing of £253 million – or £1,264 per head of population.

That figure puts York’s per head borrowing at 86th highest out of more than 400 local authorities nationwide.

A spokesman for City of York ruling Labour group said: “The so-called Taxpayers’ Alliance figures show Labour-run City of York Council has the same long term liability of debt percentage as Conservative run North Yorkshire. Also according to these figures the debt of Conservative North Yorkshire has increased by almost double that of York in the last year.

The amount the council pays each year to service debt is almost identical to when the Liberal Democrats ran the council. These figures that are freely available on the council’s website do not take into account how much debt was transferred to councils from the Conservative and Liberal Democrat government following the general election. The Taxpayers’ Alliance will continue with its attacks on the public sector whilst it has been previously reported some of their directors do not pay tax in the UK.”

In neighbouring Ryedale, the district council has no long-term borrowing at all but its long-term liabilities – £26 million – exceed its assets of just £18 million, and its long -term liabilities in 2012/13 stood at £516 per head of population.

In North Yorkshire borrowing stood at just £572 per head, but its liabilities were £1,558 per person – 211th highest in the country. And in Selby, where the population is just 84,000, the district council’s borrowings were £717 per head and liabilities were £1,034 per person.

Jonathan Isaby, chief executive of the Taxpayers’ Alliance, condemned what his organisation saw as a nationwide trend to postpone financial problems, and said: “It is nothing short of immoral for councils to pile further debt on the next generation.”

“Britain’s public finances are in real trouble and local authorities can no longer avoid tough choices by putting the bill on taxpayers’ credit card.”

“Councils must look again at overgenerous pensions and wage a war on waste, or Britain’s debt burden may soon become too heavy to bear.”

However, the Local Government Association, which represents councils across the country, hit back, calling the report misleading.

A spokesman said: “Unlike central government, councils can’t borrow money to meet their day-to-day running costs.

“Instead, council borrowing is used to meet the cost of long-term investments, such as key infrastructure projects including new schools and transport links, which ensure taxpayers are able to continue benefitting from high quality services.”

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9:52am Fri 27 Jun 14

oi oi savaloy says...

And still we pay hundreds of thousands in obscene wages to executive officers who do very little for that money! Well done labour! You really are the biggest bunch of hypocrites! Time to vote UKIP who will tackle executive wages
And still we pay hundreds of thousands in obscene wages to executive officers who do very little for that money! Well done labour! You really are the biggest bunch of hypocrites! Time to vote UKIP who will tackle executive wages oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 17

10:33am Fri 27 Jun 14

BL2 says...

A spokesman for City of York ruling Labour group said: “The so-called Taxpayers’ Alliance...

"So called"?! What a ridiculous thing to say! They are a valid organisation that the spokesman obviously has contempt for.
[quote]A spokesman for City of York ruling Labour group said: “The so-called Taxpayers’ Alliance...[/quote] "So called"?! What a ridiculous thing to say! They are a valid organisation that the spokesman obviously has contempt for. BL2
  • Score: 11

12:24pm Fri 27 Jun 14

andrew flower says...

BL2 wrote:
A spokesman for City of York ruling Labour group said: “The so-called Taxpayers’ Alliance...

"So called"?! What a ridiculous thing to say! They are a valid organisation that the spokesman obviously has contempt for.
Alexander the arrogant dictator. Get him impeached and jailed for the destruction of this once great city.
ALEXANDER OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: [quote]A spokesman for City of York ruling Labour group said: “The so-called Taxpayers’ Alliance...[/quote] "So called"?! What a ridiculous thing to say! They are a valid organisation that the spokesman obviously has contempt for.[/p][/quote]Alexander the arrogant dictator. Get him impeached and jailed for the destruction of this once great city. ALEXANDER OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! andrew flower
  • Score: 10

12:46pm Fri 27 Jun 14

pedalling paul says...

Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.
Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition. pedalling paul
  • Score: 7

1:18pm Fri 27 Jun 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Don't forget to add the liability of repaying all the fines from Lendal Bridge fiasco.... along with interest, costs etc.

We, as tax payers will still be paying long after we've got rid of this lot.
Don't forget to add the liability of repaying all the fines from Lendal Bridge fiasco.... along with interest, costs etc. We, as tax payers will still be paying long after we've got rid of this lot. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 26

1:24pm Fri 27 Jun 14

AnotherPointofView says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.
Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't).

This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.[/p][/quote]Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't). This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 18

1:33pm Fri 27 Jun 14

nearlyman says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.
Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't).

This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.
.....is that not what labour do time and again at whatever level they get into power ? Spend spend spend and let those in the future sort out the mess as we are having to do nationally at the moment.....it beggars belief that electorates never seem to learn the lesson.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.[/p][/quote]Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't). This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.[/p][/quote].....is that not what labour do time and again at whatever level they get into power ? Spend spend spend and let those in the future sort out the mess as we are having to do nationally at the moment.....it beggars belief that electorates never seem to learn the lesson. nearlyman
  • Score: 11

2:25pm Fri 27 Jun 14

blottie says...

It would be nice if Labour were voted out at the next election but some people still vote for them,remember what Brown and co,did when in power,who votes for this lot
It would be nice if Labour were voted out at the next election but some people still vote for them,remember what Brown and co,did when in power,who votes for this lot blottie
  • Score: 7

2:28pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Pinza-C55 says...

nearlyman wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.
Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't).

This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.
.....is that not what labour do time and again at whatever level they get into power ? Spend spend spend and let those in the future sort out the mess as we are having to do nationally at the moment.....it beggars belief that electorates never seem to learn the lesson.
UK National Debt in 2010 when Labour left office = £700 Billion
UK National Debt after 4 years of Tory rule = £1.3 Trillion = £1,300 Million.
£600 Billion increase in 4 years? People never learn.

http://www.debtbombs
hell.com/
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.[/p][/quote]Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't). This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.[/p][/quote].....is that not what labour do time and again at whatever level they get into power ? Spend spend spend and let those in the future sort out the mess as we are having to do nationally at the moment.....it beggars belief that electorates never seem to learn the lesson.[/p][/quote]UK National Debt in 2010 when Labour left office = £700 Billion UK National Debt after 4 years of Tory rule = £1.3 Trillion = £1,300 Million. £600 Billion increase in 4 years? People never learn. http://www.debtbombs hell.com/ Pinza-C55
  • Score: 1

2:29pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
nearlyman wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.
Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't).

This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.
.....is that not what labour do time and again at whatever level they get into power ? Spend spend spend and let those in the future sort out the mess as we are having to do nationally at the moment.....it beggars belief that electorates never seem to learn the lesson.
UK National Debt in 2010 when Labour left office = £700 Billion
UK National Debt after 4 years of Tory rule = £1.3 Trillion = £1,300 Million.
£600 Billion increase in 4 years? People never learn.

http://www.debtbombs

hell.com/
Sorry that's £1.300 Billion, not million.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.[/p][/quote]Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't). This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.[/p][/quote].....is that not what labour do time and again at whatever level they get into power ? Spend spend spend and let those in the future sort out the mess as we are having to do nationally at the moment.....it beggars belief that electorates never seem to learn the lesson.[/p][/quote]UK National Debt in 2010 when Labour left office = £700 Billion UK National Debt after 4 years of Tory rule = £1.3 Trillion = £1,300 Million. £600 Billion increase in 4 years? People never learn. http://www.debtbombs hell.com/[/p][/quote]Sorry that's £1.300 Billion, not million. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 17

2:42pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Art Baker says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
And still we pay hundreds of thousands in obscene wages to executive officers who do very little for that money! Well done labour! You really are the biggest bunch of hypocrites! Time to vote UKIP who will tackle executive wages
So what is the UKIP policy on executive wages?

Do they have one?

Does it apply to private and public sector?

What is the cap that will be applied?

Do inform us oh knowledgeable one.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: And still we pay hundreds of thousands in obscene wages to executive officers who do very little for that money! Well done labour! You really are the biggest bunch of hypocrites! Time to vote UKIP who will tackle executive wages[/p][/quote]So what is the UKIP policy on executive wages? Do they have one? Does it apply to private and public sector? What is the cap that will be applied? Do inform us oh knowledgeable one. Art Baker
  • Score: 13

2:49pm Fri 27 Jun 14

TheTruthHurts says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
nearlyman wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.
Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't).

This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.
.....is that not what labour do time and again at whatever level they get into power ? Spend spend spend and let those in the future sort out the mess as we are having to do nationally at the moment.....it beggars belief that electorates never seem to learn the lesson.
UK National Debt in 2010 when Labour left office = £700 Billion
UK National Debt after 4 years of Tory rule = £1.3 Trillion = £1,300 Million.
£600 Billion increase in 4 years? People never learn.

http://www.debtbombs


hell.com/
Sorry that's £1.300 Billion, not million.
If the money isnt there to pay it off it is inevitable that it is going to keep rising to a point.

Posts like yours explain absolutely nothing
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.[/p][/quote]Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't). This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.[/p][/quote].....is that not what labour do time and again at whatever level they get into power ? Spend spend spend and let those in the future sort out the mess as we are having to do nationally at the moment.....it beggars belief that electorates never seem to learn the lesson.[/p][/quote]UK National Debt in 2010 when Labour left office = £700 Billion UK National Debt after 4 years of Tory rule = £1.3 Trillion = £1,300 Million. £600 Billion increase in 4 years? People never learn. http://www.debtbombs hell.com/[/p][/quote]Sorry that's £1.300 Billion, not million.[/p][/quote]If the money isnt there to pay it off it is inevitable that it is going to keep rising to a point. Posts like yours explain absolutely nothing TheTruthHurts
  • Score: -6

3:30pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Cheeky face says...

I have been saying for years that every council MUST have an experienced investment appraisal officer. When I asked City of York Council if they had such a post the silence was deafening.

When corporations were in control we never had these issues; nor did we have a plethora of welfare payments.
I have been saying for years that every council MUST have an experienced investment appraisal officer. When I asked City of York Council if they had such a post the silence was deafening. When corporations were in control we never had these issues; nor did we have a plethora of welfare payments. Cheeky face
  • Score: 3

6:01pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Ichabod76 says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
nearlyman wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.
Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't).

This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.
.....is that not what labour do time and again at whatever level they get into power ? Spend spend spend and let those in the future sort out the mess as we are having to do nationally at the moment.....it beggars belief that electorates never seem to learn the lesson.
UK National Debt in 2010 when Labour left office = £700 Billion
UK National Debt after 4 years of Tory rule = £1.3 Trillion = £1,300 Million.
£600 Billion increase in 4 years? People never learn.

http://www.debtbombs

hell.com/
Alistair Darling wanted to borrow even more before Labour lost the election.
Ed Balls has said a number of times that he would be at least matching the Conservative spending.

so whats your point ?
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.[/p][/quote]Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't). This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.[/p][/quote].....is that not what labour do time and again at whatever level they get into power ? Spend spend spend and let those in the future sort out the mess as we are having to do nationally at the moment.....it beggars belief that electorates never seem to learn the lesson.[/p][/quote]UK National Debt in 2010 when Labour left office = £700 Billion UK National Debt after 4 years of Tory rule = £1.3 Trillion = £1,300 Million. £600 Billion increase in 4 years? People never learn. http://www.debtbombs hell.com/[/p][/quote]Alistair Darling wanted to borrow even more before Labour lost the election. Ed Balls has said a number of times that he would be at least matching the Conservative spending. so whats your point ? Ichabod76
  • Score: -7

6:31pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Dave Ruddock says...

Yea cant we bring back corporations, With political parties squabbling like rejected prep school children. ALL political parties have no idea how to run a one person race never mind controlling the pocket money.
Why oh why they search for people who know exactly no little and paid loads (700 an hour)

Hope the whole lot get a wake up call and account for ALL their liabilities.
Yea cant we bring back corporations, With political parties squabbling like rejected prep school children. ALL political parties have no idea how to run a one person race never mind controlling the pocket money. Why oh why they search for people who know exactly no little and paid loads (700 an hour) Hope the whole lot get a wake up call and account for ALL their liabilities. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -9

7:13pm Fri 27 Jun 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

in conjunction with other news regarding yet more highly paid stand-in execs the writing must be on the wall for all this to be challenged and changed. Mr J A will surely not gain another post anywhere in the country - or perhaps back to was it Poundstretcher days.
Ironic that.......poundstre
tcher
in conjunction with other news regarding yet more highly paid stand-in execs the writing must be on the wall for all this to be challenged and changed. Mr J A will surely not gain another post anywhere in the country - or perhaps back to was it Poundstretcher days. Ironic that.......poundstre tcher thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: -11

9:16pm Fri 27 Jun 14

JasBro says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.
Local authorities are not businesses.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.[/p][/quote]Local authorities are not businesses. JasBro
  • Score: -10

9:28pm Fri 27 Jun 14

JasBro says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
nearlyman wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.
Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't).

This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.
.....is that not what labour do time and again at whatever level they get into power ? Spend spend spend and let those in the future sort out the mess as we are having to do nationally at the moment.....it beggars belief that electorates never seem to learn the lesson.
UK National Debt in 2010 when Labour left office = £700 Billion
UK National Debt after 4 years of Tory rule = £1.3 Trillion = £1,300 Million.
£600 Billion increase in 4 years? People never learn.

http://www.debtbombs



hell.com/
Sorry that's £1.300 Billion, not million.
If the money isnt there to pay it off it is inevitable that it is going to keep rising to a point.

Posts like yours explain absolutely nothing
Points like this at least provide some facts. National debt has nearly doubled in the last four years.

It seems every government (of whatever persuasion), and every local authority is plunging us all into debt.
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.[/p][/quote]Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't). This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.[/p][/quote].....is that not what labour do time and again at whatever level they get into power ? Spend spend spend and let those in the future sort out the mess as we are having to do nationally at the moment.....it beggars belief that electorates never seem to learn the lesson.[/p][/quote]UK National Debt in 2010 when Labour left office = £700 Billion UK National Debt after 4 years of Tory rule = £1.3 Trillion = £1,300 Million. £600 Billion increase in 4 years? People never learn. http://www.debtbombs hell.com/[/p][/quote]Sorry that's £1.300 Billion, not million.[/p][/quote]If the money isnt there to pay it off it is inevitable that it is going to keep rising to a point. Posts like yours explain absolutely nothing[/p][/quote]Points like this at least provide some facts. National debt has nearly doubled in the last four years. It seems every government (of whatever persuasion), and every local authority is plunging us all into debt. JasBro
  • Score: -4

12:22am Sat 28 Jun 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.
Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't).

This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.
a brilliant post - councils in the past were largely run by people who had years of business experience and knew what they were doing with money. What I can't understand with this news report is the lack of comments......has it depressed so many they are contemplating suicide or are just now drowning their sorrows.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.[/p][/quote]Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't). This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.[/p][/quote]a brilliant post - councils in the past were largely run by people who had years of business experience and knew what they were doing with money. What I can't understand with this news report is the lack of comments......has it depressed so many they are contemplating suicide or are just now drowning their sorrows. thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: -8

1:20am Sat 28 Jun 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

No use one party blaming and comparing with another, they are all in it together and appear to have no desire to stop borrowing.
The wake up call will come when interest rates rise and they default.
Start paying that debt off now while rates are low. Will they ever learn?
No use one party blaming and comparing with another, they are all in it together and appear to have no desire to stop borrowing. The wake up call will come when interest rates rise and they default. Start paying that debt off now while rates are low. Will they ever learn? ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -15

8:27am Sat 28 Jun 14

Art Baker says...

Art Baker wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
And still we pay hundreds of thousands in obscene wages to executive officers who do very little for that money! Well done labour! You really are the biggest bunch of hypocrites! Time to vote UKIP who will tackle executive wages
So what is the UKIP policy on executive wages?

Do they have one?

Does it apply to private and public sector?

What is the cap that will be applied?

Do inform us oh knowledgeable one.
No answers from Oi Oi Savaloy then Well, I'm not surprised. Just another of the know-nothing time wasting idiots making up rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]Art Baker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: And still we pay hundreds of thousands in obscene wages to executive officers who do very little for that money! Well done labour! You really are the biggest bunch of hypocrites! Time to vote UKIP who will tackle executive wages[/p][/quote]So what is the UKIP policy on executive wages? Do they have one? Does it apply to private and public sector? What is the cap that will be applied? Do inform us oh knowledgeable one.[/p][/quote]No answers from Oi Oi Savaloy then Well, I'm not surprised. Just another of the know-nothing time wasting idiots making up rubbish. Art Baker
  • Score: -2

10:03am Sat 28 Jun 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Art Baker wrote:
Art Baker wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
And still we pay hundreds of thousands in obscene wages to executive officers who do very little for that money! Well done labour! You really are the biggest bunch of hypocrites! Time to vote UKIP who will tackle executive wages
So what is the UKIP policy on executive wages?

Do they have one?

Does it apply to private and public sector?

What is the cap that will be applied?

Do inform us oh knowledgeable one.
No answers from Oi Oi Savaloy then Well, I'm not surprised. Just another of the know-nothing time wasting idiots making up rubbish.
hm, i thought it was the labour party making up the rubbish? I won't call you a "know nothing idiot" because i don't throw insults at people I don't know!

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And you didn't get an answer to the first one because I don't sit in front of my keyboard with windows to every article in the press open just waiting for you to post a comment on the press! (And as for private sector executive wage, thats down to private companies as far as I am concerned.)

So, you believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe, and i will sit here waiting for your reply that will no doubt include an insult.......
[quote][p][bold]Art Baker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Art Baker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: And still we pay hundreds of thousands in obscene wages to executive officers who do very little for that money! Well done labour! You really are the biggest bunch of hypocrites! Time to vote UKIP who will tackle executive wages[/p][/quote]So what is the UKIP policy on executive wages? Do they have one? Does it apply to private and public sector? What is the cap that will be applied? Do inform us oh knowledgeable one.[/p][/quote]No answers from Oi Oi Savaloy then Well, I'm not surprised. Just another of the know-nothing time wasting idiots making up rubbish.[/p][/quote]hm, i thought it was the labour party making up the rubbish? I won't call you a "know nothing idiot" because i don't throw insults at people I don't know! http://d3n8a8pro7vhm x.cloudfront.net/the mes/5308a93901925b5b 09000002/attachments /original/1397750311 /localmanifesto2014. pdf?1397750311 And you didn't get an answer to the first one because I don't sit in front of my keyboard with windows to every article in the press open just waiting for you to post a comment on the press! (And as for private sector executive wage, thats down to private companies as far as I am concerned.) So, you believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe, and i will sit here waiting for your reply that will no doubt include an insult....... oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -6

10:20am Sat 28 Jun 14

Art Baker says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
Art Baker wrote:
Art Baker wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
And still we pay hundreds of thousands in obscene wages to executive officers who do very little for that money! Well done labour! You really are the biggest bunch of hypocrites! Time to vote UKIP who will tackle executive wages
So what is the UKIP policy on executive wages?

Do they have one?

Does it apply to private and public sector?

What is the cap that will be applied?

Do inform us oh knowledgeable one.
No answers from Oi Oi Savaloy then Well, I'm not surprised. Just another of the know-nothing time wasting idiots making up rubbish.
hm, i thought it was the labour party making up the rubbish? I won't call you a "know nothing idiot" because i don't throw insults at people I don't know!

http://d3n8a8pro7vhm

x.cloudfront.net/the

mes/5308a93901925b5b

09000002/attachments

/original/1397750311

/localmanifesto2014.

pdf?1397750311

And you didn't get an answer to the first one because I don't sit in front of my keyboard with windows to every article in the press open just waiting for you to post a comment on the press! (And as for private sector executive wage, thats down to private companies as far as I am concerned.)

So, you believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe, and i will sit here waiting for your reply that will no doubt include an insult.......
Having scanned the Nazi inspired rubbish that they call a manifesto I can see references to:

Cut councillors’ excessive allowances and expenses
Slash excessive pay deals for senior council staff
Limit the number of highly-paid council employees

So nothing other than empty slogans without any detail. What a surprise!

Didn't notice the bit about concentration camps or gassing, Jews, travellers and Romanians either.

Guess all the fine detail would be added added later.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Art Baker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Art Baker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: And still we pay hundreds of thousands in obscene wages to executive officers who do very little for that money! Well done labour! You really are the biggest bunch of hypocrites! Time to vote UKIP who will tackle executive wages[/p][/quote]So what is the UKIP policy on executive wages? Do they have one? Does it apply to private and public sector? What is the cap that will be applied? Do inform us oh knowledgeable one.[/p][/quote]No answers from Oi Oi Savaloy then Well, I'm not surprised. Just another of the know-nothing time wasting idiots making up rubbish.[/p][/quote]hm, i thought it was the labour party making up the rubbish? I won't call you a "know nothing idiot" because i don't throw insults at people I don't know! http://d3n8a8pro7vhm x.cloudfront.net/the mes/5308a93901925b5b 09000002/attachments /original/1397750311 /localmanifesto2014. pdf?1397750311 And you didn't get an answer to the first one because I don't sit in front of my keyboard with windows to every article in the press open just waiting for you to post a comment on the press! (And as for private sector executive wage, thats down to private companies as far as I am concerned.) So, you believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe, and i will sit here waiting for your reply that will no doubt include an insult.......[/p][/quote]Having scanned the Nazi inspired rubbish that they call a manifesto I can see references to: Cut councillors’ excessive allowances and expenses Slash excessive pay deals for senior council staff Limit the number of highly-paid council employees So nothing other than empty slogans without any detail. What a surprise! Didn't notice the bit about concentration camps or gassing, Jews, travellers and Romanians either. Guess all the fine detail would be added added later. Art Baker
  • Score: 7

10:35am Sat 28 Jun 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Art Baker wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
Art Baker wrote:
Art Baker wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
And still we pay hundreds of thousands in obscene wages to executive officers who do very little for that money! Well done labour! You really are the biggest bunch of hypocrites! Time to vote UKIP who will tackle executive wages
So what is the UKIP policy on executive wages?

Do they have one?

Does it apply to private and public sector?

What is the cap that will be applied?

Do inform us oh knowledgeable one.
No answers from Oi Oi Savaloy then Well, I'm not surprised. Just another of the know-nothing time wasting idiots making up rubbish.
hm, i thought it was the labour party making up the rubbish? I won't call you a "know nothing idiot" because i don't throw insults at people I don't know!

http://d3n8a8pro7vhm


x.cloudfront.net/the


mes/5308a93901925b5b


09000002/attachments


/original/1397750311


/localmanifesto2014.


pdf?1397750311

And you didn't get an answer to the first one because I don't sit in front of my keyboard with windows to every article in the press open just waiting for you to post a comment on the press! (And as for private sector executive wage, thats down to private companies as far as I am concerned.)

So, you believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe, and i will sit here waiting for your reply that will no doubt include an insult.......
Having scanned the Nazi inspired rubbish that they call a manifesto I can see references to:

Cut councillors’ excessive allowances and expenses
Slash excessive pay deals for senior council staff
Limit the number of highly-paid council employees

So nothing other than empty slogans without any detail. What a surprise!

Didn't notice the bit about concentration camps or gassing, Jews, travellers and Romanians either.

Guess all the fine detail would be added added later.
qoute Art Baker: 'Having scanned the Nazi inspired rubbish that they call a manifesto

What a surprise! Didn't notice the bit about concentration camps or gassing, Jews, travellers and Romanians either. "

Really? Look harder, it was in a microdot!

Now who's the 'time wasting idiot making up rubbish"??
[quote][p][bold]Art Baker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Art Baker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Art Baker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: And still we pay hundreds of thousands in obscene wages to executive officers who do very little for that money! Well done labour! You really are the biggest bunch of hypocrites! Time to vote UKIP who will tackle executive wages[/p][/quote]So what is the UKIP policy on executive wages? Do they have one? Does it apply to private and public sector? What is the cap that will be applied? Do inform us oh knowledgeable one.[/p][/quote]No answers from Oi Oi Savaloy then Well, I'm not surprised. Just another of the know-nothing time wasting idiots making up rubbish.[/p][/quote]hm, i thought it was the labour party making up the rubbish? I won't call you a "know nothing idiot" because i don't throw insults at people I don't know! http://d3n8a8pro7vhm x.cloudfront.net/the mes/5308a93901925b5b 09000002/attachments /original/1397750311 /localmanifesto2014. pdf?1397750311 And you didn't get an answer to the first one because I don't sit in front of my keyboard with windows to every article in the press open just waiting for you to post a comment on the press! (And as for private sector executive wage, thats down to private companies as far as I am concerned.) So, you believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe, and i will sit here waiting for your reply that will no doubt include an insult.......[/p][/quote]Having scanned the Nazi inspired rubbish that they call a manifesto I can see references to: Cut councillors’ excessive allowances and expenses Slash excessive pay deals for senior council staff Limit the number of highly-paid council employees So nothing other than empty slogans without any detail. What a surprise! Didn't notice the bit about concentration camps or gassing, Jews, travellers and Romanians either. Guess all the fine detail would be added added later.[/p][/quote]qoute Art Baker: 'Having scanned the Nazi inspired rubbish that they call a manifesto What a surprise! Didn't notice the bit about concentration camps or gassing, Jews, travellers and Romanians either. " Really? Look harder, it was in a microdot! Now who's the 'time wasting idiot making up rubbish"?? oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -7

11:38am Sat 28 Jun 14

the-e-man says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
nearlyman wrote:
AnotherPointofView wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.
Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't).

This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.
.....is that not what labour do time and again at whatever level they get into power ? Spend spend spend and let those in the future sort out the mess as we are having to do nationally at the moment.....it beggars belief that electorates never seem to learn the lesson.
UK National Debt in 2010 when Labour left office = £700 Billion
UK National Debt after 4 years of Tory rule = £1.3 Trillion = £1,300 Million.
£600 Billion increase in 4 years? People never learn.

http://www.debtbombs


hell.com/
Alistair Darling wanted to borrow even more before Labour lost the election.
Ed Balls has said a number of times that he would be at least matching the Conservative spending.

so whats your point ?
Labour have a history of spending money they do not have and then letting the Conservatives sort out the resulting mess while they merely sit back and critisise and plan for their next spending binge. Remember the note left in the Treasurer Office by Liam Byrne welcoming his successor and informing him that their was no money left ( because they had spent it all ).
Unfortunately most Labour supporters are still in denial .
The big problem is with the gulable electorate who only hear what they want to hear and will not accept that a government can only spend what money it has . At the next election Labour will yet again make all kinds of promises ( which we cannot afford ) just to secure votes.
With regards the National Debt. Budgets are set years in advance. The economy is like an oil tanker - it will take some time to turn it around. Labour took 13 years to get us into this mess so I believe it will take us at least that length of time to reverse it.
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.[/p][/quote]Wrong PP, there's a lot of difference between business and the council borrowing. Not ALL business have to borrow (mine doesn't). This council is borrowing to waste money now, only for their successors to have to deal with the debt at a later date. Businesses may borrow for a specific reason - machinery to make them more efficient or for stock that they can sell at a profit.[/p][/quote].....is that not what labour do time and again at whatever level they get into power ? Spend spend spend and let those in the future sort out the mess as we are having to do nationally at the moment.....it beggars belief that electorates never seem to learn the lesson.[/p][/quote]UK National Debt in 2010 when Labour left office = £700 Billion UK National Debt after 4 years of Tory rule = £1.3 Trillion = £1,300 Million. £600 Billion increase in 4 years? People never learn. http://www.debtbombs hell.com/[/p][/quote]Alistair Darling wanted to borrow even more before Labour lost the election. Ed Balls has said a number of times that he would be at least matching the Conservative spending. so whats your point ?[/p][/quote]Labour have a history of spending money they do not have and then letting the Conservatives sort out the resulting mess while they merely sit back and critisise and plan for their next spending binge. Remember the note left in the Treasurer Office by Liam Byrne welcoming his successor and informing him that their was no money left ( because they had spent it all ). Unfortunately most Labour supporters are still in denial . The big problem is with the gulable electorate who only hear what they want to hear and will not accept that a government can only spend what money it has . At the next election Labour will yet again make all kinds of promises ( which we cannot afford ) just to secure votes. With regards the National Debt. Budgets are set years in advance. The economy is like an oil tanker - it will take some time to turn it around. Labour took 13 years to get us into this mess so I believe it will take us at least that length of time to reverse it. the-e-man
  • Score: -7

4:44pm Sun 29 Jun 14

andrew flower says...

JasBro wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.
Local authorities are not businesses.
Paul is no more than the Goebells of the disgusting dictatorship that is Adolf Alexander's york nazi regime
[quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Unfortunately Local Authorities like all businesses have to borrow and repay to keep going. The Taxpayers Alliance is indulging in the luxury of opposition.[/p][/quote]Local authorities are not businesses.[/p][/quote]Paul is no more than the Goebells of the disgusting dictatorship that is Adolf Alexander's york nazi regime andrew flower
  • Score: -11
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