James Alexander lays down York City Council's vision for city

Coun James Alexander pictured ahead of his speach at The Mansion House.

Coun James Alexander pictured ahead of his speach at The Mansion House.

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THE leader of York's council has set out their vision for the city, feting his party's successes that have seen unemployment fall, and called for stronger devolved powers to let cities take control of their own economies.

James Alexander gave his now annual "state of the city" address last night to business and community leaders in the Mansion House, and spoke of plans to see the city's economy grow in coming years.

He used the event to issue a call for "adequate, meaningful and real localism", and backed the Lib Dem Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael's claim that devolution for England is "unfinished business".

The council leader said: "If we want the North to prosper, the people of the North need to make that choice themselves."

Cllr Alexander trumpeted success stories like the arrival of Hiscox as an employer in the city, new Park & Ride schemes, and the Super Connected City status.

York's unemployment levels sit at 1.3 percent, below the national average of 2.7 percent, while the number of young people of jobseekers allowance has fallen to just 1.6 percent, he said.

He also announced council plans to host a conference to show off York's digital infatstructure in a bid to attract more major employers to the city.

But the speech was not without negatives - the council leader acknowledged failures like the bid to bring the High Speed Rail College to York, and the difficulties in transforming adult social care in the city.

House building executives quizzed the council leader over plans to improve the city's infastructure by dualling the congested ring road.

Persimmon Homes' Simon Usher told him that while is was encouraging to hear ambitious plans for the city, building in York often faced difficulties in by objections from neighbours and other political parties.

The council leader responded, saying work on the ring road would have to take place in stages, when funding became available.

He said: "The council's annual budget is £128 million, and dualling the ring road would cost £350 million. Clearly we are not going to stop providing everything else. We can find other sources of funding from the West Yorkshire Combined Authority, North Yorkshire, and through the local plan from developer contributions, but that adds up to around £90 million."

Any work would start in the north west corner, he added, progressing outwards as funding was found.

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10:00am Wed 18 Jun 14

Whistlejacket says...

..."York's unemployment levels sit at 1.4 percent, below the national average of 2.7 percent, while the number of young people of jobseekers allowance has fallen to just 1.6 percent, he said."

I hope J.A. didn't really say that. The last time I looked, national unemployment was about 6.5% and falling, though I don't think James or the Labour Party can claim much credit for the fact that the economy is on the mend.
..."York's unemployment levels sit at 1.4 percent, below the national average of 2.7 percent, while the number of young people of jobseekers allowance has fallen to just 1.6 percent, he said." I hope J.A. didn't really say that. The last time I looked, national unemployment was about 6.5% and falling, though I don't think James or the Labour Party can claim much credit for the fact that the economy is on the mend. Whistlejacket
  • Score: 35

10:02am Wed 18 Jun 14

pedalling paul says...

The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction.
James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity. pedalling paul
  • Score: -54

10:02am Wed 18 Jun 14

Dave Ruddock says...

Who proof read this before letting it out, Come on Editor, I have had a reply earlier this month stating your having problems ???
Who proof read this before letting it out, Come on Editor, I have had a reply earlier this month stating your having problems ??? Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 7

10:07am Wed 18 Jun 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Judging by the picture, it looks like Cllr Alexander has been put through a re-branding exercise. New haircut? Sharp suit? Lost weight? Don't tell me there's an election due in the next year...
Judging by the picture, it looks like Cllr Alexander has been put through a re-branding exercise. New haircut? Sharp suit? Lost weight? Don't tell me there's an election due in the next year... Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: 25

10:15am Wed 18 Jun 14

Ichabod76 says...

Different day, same suit !
Different day, same suit ! Ichabod76
  • Score: 18

10:17am Wed 18 Jun 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

James Alexander:
Stronger devolved powers to let cities take control of their own economies.

The council leader said: "If we want the North to prosper, the people of the North need to make that choice themselves."

Is that the same choice we had to join West Yorkshire.....?.

James Alexander needs to go and build his empire somewhere else, his idea of devolved powers is that it all stops with him.

Out of West Yorks and a definite "NO" to devolved powers, keep your empire boys club, we don't need it.
James Alexander: Stronger devolved powers to let cities take control of their own economies. The council leader said: "If we want the North to prosper, the people of the North need to make that choice themselves." Is that the same choice we had to join West Yorkshire.....?. James Alexander needs to go and build his empire somewhere else, his idea of devolved powers is that it all stops with him. Out of West Yorks and a definite "NO" to devolved powers, keep your empire boys club, we don't need it. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: 34

10:22am Wed 18 Jun 14

julia brica says...

Please help York in the best possible way.
RESIGN and take your cronies with you.
Please help York in the best possible way. RESIGN and take your cronies with you. julia brica
  • Score: 50

10:26am Wed 18 Jun 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

A Labour councilor in a blue suit.
Whatever next?
A Labour councilor in a blue suit. Whatever next? NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: 21

10:56am Wed 18 Jun 14

BL2 says...

How about he keeps his "visions" to himself and let the majority of people who live here decide what they want!
How about he keeps his "visions" to himself and let the majority of people who live here decide what they want! BL2
  • Score: 34

11:19am Wed 18 Jun 14

Knavesmire view says...

Typical Alexander.

Claiming the glory for all the good news in the City regardless of whether or not he was involved or had any impact on it.

But strangely nowhere to be seen when the proverbial hits the fan despite it having his mucky paw prints all over it.

How's that Lendal Bridge review you promised coming along Jimmy? Oh wait, we aren't having one anymore....
Typical Alexander. Claiming the glory for all the good news in the City regardless of whether or not he was involved or had any impact on it. But strangely nowhere to be seen when the proverbial hits the fan despite it having his mucky paw prints all over it. How's that Lendal Bridge review you promised coming along Jimmy? Oh wait, we aren't having one anymore.... Knavesmire view
  • Score: 33

11:57am Wed 18 Jun 14

acomblass says...

Clearly this man is living in a parallel universe completely detached from the realities like - all youth workers in the city being made redundant, like two outstanding officers resigning together from adult social services, like two new interim appointments arriving on 23 June to take their place at what cost per day, like funding being withdrawn from all community centres, like the Lendal Bridge fiasco, like litter bins not being emptied, like volunteers being recruited to do the work of council employees, like most Labour councillors not attending meetings, like no action being taken on bullying.........etc etc
Clearly this man is living in a parallel universe completely detached from the realities like - all youth workers in the city being made redundant, like two outstanding officers resigning together from adult social services, like two new interim appointments arriving on 23 June to take their place at what cost per day, like funding being withdrawn from all community centres, like the Lendal Bridge fiasco, like litter bins not being emptied, like volunteers being recruited to do the work of council employees, like most Labour councillors not attending meetings, like no action being taken on bullying.........etc etc acomblass
  • Score: 39

12:16pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Oaklands Resident says...

What's he on?

Unemployment levels in York have been below regional and national levels for over 15 years!

Too much promised and too little delivered.

* When is the new Hiscox building in Hungate actually going to open?
* ditto the Community Stadium,
* ditto the hotel next to the Barbican?
* ditto the "Older Persons Village" at Lowfields?
What's he on? Unemployment levels in York have been below regional and national levels for over 15 years! Too much promised and too little delivered. * When is the new Hiscox building in Hungate actually going to open? * ditto the Community Stadium, * ditto the hotel next to the Barbican? * ditto the "Older Persons Village" at Lowfields? Oaklands Resident
  • Score: 31

12:48pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Aldo says...

"SPEACH" Come on, proof read before hitting the send button :-(
"SPEACH" Come on, proof read before hitting the send button :-( Aldo
  • Score: 19

1:00pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Whistlejacket wrote:
..."York's unemployment levels sit at 1.4 percent, below the national average of 2.7 percent, while the number of young people of jobseekers allowance has fallen to just 1.6 percent, he said." I hope J.A. didn't really say that. The last time I looked, national unemployment was about 6.5% and falling, though I don't think James or the Labour Party can claim much credit for the fact that the economy is on the mend.
i duno with the amount of people they had working on a simple new road layout that will have reduced the annual by at least 1.5%... although they weren't actually working!
[quote][p][bold]Whistlejacket[/bold] wrote: ..."York's unemployment levels sit at 1.4 percent, below the national average of 2.7 percent, while the number of young people of jobseekers allowance has fallen to just 1.6 percent, he said." I hope J.A. didn't really say that. The last time I looked, national unemployment was about 6.5% and falling, though I don't think James or the Labour Party can claim much credit for the fact that the economy is on the mend.[/p][/quote]i duno with the amount of people they had working on a simple new road layout that will have reduced the annual by at least 1.5%... although they weren't actually working! Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 1

1:04pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic?

You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.[/p][/quote]like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic? You have no back up or foundation for such a claim. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 35

1:58pm Wed 18 Jun 14

nearlyman says...

And most of the young people of York are priced out of the property market......not a happy
state of affairs.....and ultimately unsustainable.......
.unless of course the council employs you on £700 a day ........
And most of the young people of York are priced out of the property market......not a happy state of affairs.....and ultimately unsustainable....... .unless of course the council employs you on £700 a day ........ nearlyman
  • Score: 22

2:10pm Wed 18 Jun 14

andrew flower says...

President Alexander gives his State of the Union address.
What a jumped up egotistical fool he really is.
President Alexander gives his State of the Union address. What a jumped up egotistical fool he really is. andrew flower
  • Score: 28

2:50pm Wed 18 Jun 14

eeoodares says...

You should not be making any long term plans kid, you will be looking for a job this time next year.
Pedling Paul, by the sounds of your rant, even your council colleagues have no time for you.
You should not be making any long term plans kid, you will be looking for a job this time next year. Pedling Paul, by the sounds of your rant, even your council colleagues have no time for you. eeoodares
  • Score: 31

3:59pm Wed 18 Jun 14

pedalling paul says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic?

You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.
Have a read at http://streetswiki.w
ikispaces.com/Induce
d+Traffic

Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.[/p][/quote]like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic? You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.[/p][/quote]Have a read at http://streetswiki.w ikispaces.com/Induce d+Traffic Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them. pedalling paul
  • Score: 13

4:09pm Wed 18 Jun 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic?

You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.
Have a read at http://streetswiki.w

ikispaces.com/Induce

d+Traffic

Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.
I know you are of course unwilling to listen to logic, but of course there has to be a tipping point in that argument.
Are you telling us that if we halved the roads available would that half the traffic? Of course the answer is obviously no, Lendal bridge gives us a nice glimpse of that.
Hence doubling the road capacity wouldn't double the traffic. Yes you are right it might cause more journeys by that phenomenon. But you are using a logical fallacy to say that doubling road space means it would automatically fill up.

But of course logic doesn't need looking at in your bike good car bad world (or hoped for lycra paradise...)
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.[/p][/quote]like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic? You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.[/p][/quote]Have a read at http://streetswiki.w ikispaces.com/Induce d+Traffic Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.[/p][/quote]I know you are of course unwilling to listen to logic, but of course there has to be a tipping point in that argument. Are you telling us that if we halved the roads available would that half the traffic? Of course the answer is obviously no, Lendal bridge gives us a nice glimpse of that. Hence doubling the road capacity wouldn't double the traffic. Yes you are right it might cause more journeys by that phenomenon. But you are using a logical fallacy to say that doubling road space means it would automatically fill up. But of course logic doesn't need looking at in your bike good car bad world (or hoped for lycra paradise...) AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: 29

4:26pm Wed 18 Jun 14

GMuser says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction.
James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
Welcome to the one vision world of PP. The original mistake I grant you was not building a proper dual carriageway outer ring road. It was obvious that it would cause problems simply due to it 'cheap' design failures. BUT to suggest it would naturally lead to bigger jams is complete nonsense. If you could get around York outskirts on a proper continuous dualled road without being stuck on useless roundabouts then I would suggest that most people would use it rather than 'fight' through York centre. Add proper information on this road and all approaches as to the best entrance road to use to get to a service (eg Hospital) then it would be used as a 'ring road'. You could even encourage tourists to use park and ride sights by listing them by slip road exits (Yes give each exit a number). BUT hey ho I am sure the logic of a road user cannot compare to the so called 'experts' in town transport planning. Some of them even drive I am told!!!!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.[/p][/quote]Welcome to the one vision world of PP. The original mistake I grant you was not building a proper dual carriageway outer ring road. It was obvious that it would cause problems simply due to it 'cheap' design failures. BUT to suggest it would naturally lead to bigger jams is complete nonsense. If you could get around York outskirts on a proper continuous dualled road without being stuck on useless roundabouts then I would suggest that most people would use it rather than 'fight' through York centre. Add proper information on this road and all approaches as to the best entrance road to use to get to a service (eg Hospital) then it would be used as a 'ring road'. You could even encourage tourists to use park and ride sights by listing them by slip road exits (Yes give each exit a number). BUT hey ho I am sure the logic of a road user cannot compare to the so called 'experts' in town transport planning. Some of them even drive I am told!!!! GMuser
  • Score: 28

4:35pm Wed 18 Jun 14

acomblass says...

Alexander is an embarrassment to the City of York and the sooner he goes the better. For the first time in my life I will vote tactically to get this shower out of the city unless of course Alexander is gone by that time to the safe seat of Rother Valley where he could be parachuted in
Alexander is an embarrassment to the City of York and the sooner he goes the better. For the first time in my life I will vote tactically to get this shower out of the city unless of course Alexander is gone by that time to the safe seat of Rother Valley where he could be parachuted in acomblass
  • Score: 24

4:47pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Redcap198 says...

My vision is that after next May we will not have to listen to JA and his cronies and with a bit of luck pp will have pedalled off into the sunset.
My vision is that after next May we will not have to listen to JA and his cronies and with a bit of luck pp will have pedalled off into the sunset. Redcap198
  • Score: 21

5:29pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Got a life says...

So that'll be an overwhelming vote of confidence to Alexander, lets not forget Merrett and Spagetti Head!
So that'll be an overwhelming vote of confidence to Alexander, lets not forget Merrett and Spagetti Head! Got a life
  • Score: 16

5:43pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Caecilius says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic?

You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.
Have a read at http://streetswiki.w


ikispaces.com/Induce


d+Traffic

Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.
I know you are of course unwilling to listen to logic, but of course there has to be a tipping point in that argument.
Are you telling us that if we halved the roads available would that half the traffic? Of course the answer is obviously no, Lendal bridge gives us a nice glimpse of that.
Hence doubling the road capacity wouldn't double the traffic. Yes you are right it might cause more journeys by that phenomenon. But you are using a logical fallacy to say that doubling road space means it would automatically fill up.

But of course logic doesn't need looking at in your bike good car bad world (or hoped for lycra paradise...)
Between 1994 and 2012, the number of licenced cars in the UK increased by 35%. Unless you keep increasing the amount of road space at the same rate, which God forbid, the roads will inevitably fill up, as the evidence of your own eyes should tell you. Trying to build your way out of the problem, e.g. by dualling the ring road, is futile and a complete waste of public money.
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.[/p][/quote]like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic? You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.[/p][/quote]Have a read at http://streetswiki.w ikispaces.com/Induce d+Traffic Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.[/p][/quote]I know you are of course unwilling to listen to logic, but of course there has to be a tipping point in that argument. Are you telling us that if we halved the roads available would that half the traffic? Of course the answer is obviously no, Lendal bridge gives us a nice glimpse of that. Hence doubling the road capacity wouldn't double the traffic. Yes you are right it might cause more journeys by that phenomenon. But you are using a logical fallacy to say that doubling road space means it would automatically fill up. But of course logic doesn't need looking at in your bike good car bad world (or hoped for lycra paradise...)[/p][/quote]Between 1994 and 2012, the number of licenced cars in the UK increased by 35%. Unless you keep increasing the amount of road space at the same rate, which God forbid, the roads will inevitably fill up, as the evidence of your own eyes should tell you. Trying to build your way out of the problem, e.g. by dualling the ring road, is futile and a complete waste of public money. Caecilius
  • Score: -20

8:38pm Wed 18 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction.
James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity..........
.......how do you know this, have you any figures or information to prove it.
...........in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road..............be
t you have been waiting for the opportunity to roll out that old potato again eh!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.[/p][/quote]This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.......... .......how do you know this, have you any figures or information to prove it. ...........in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road..............be t you have been waiting for the opportunity to roll out that old potato again eh! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 14

8:43pm Wed 18 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
James Alexander:
Stronger devolved powers to let cities take control of their own economies.

The council leader said: "If we want the North to prosper, the people of the North need to make that choice themselves."

Is that the same choice we had to join West Yorkshire.....?.

James Alexander needs to go and build his empire somewhere else, his idea of devolved powers is that it all stops with him.

Out of West Yorks and a definite "NO" to devolved powers, keep your empire boys club, we don't need it.
Can you imagine what this labour controlled council would have done to this city if they had had stronger devolved powers, it's a frightening thought.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: James Alexander: Stronger devolved powers to let cities take control of their own economies. The council leader said: "If we want the North to prosper, the people of the North need to make that choice themselves." Is that the same choice we had to join West Yorkshire.....?. James Alexander needs to go and build his empire somewhere else, his idea of devolved powers is that it all stops with him. Out of West Yorks and a definite "NO" to devolved powers, keep your empire boys club, we don't need it.[/p][/quote]Can you imagine what this labour controlled council would have done to this city if they had had stronger devolved powers, it's a frightening thought. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 19

8:51pm Wed 18 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic?

You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.
Have a read at http://streetswiki.w

ikispaces.com/Induce

d+Traffic

Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.
Bit like yourself then, you keep repeating the same old twaddle.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.[/p][/quote]like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic? You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.[/p][/quote]Have a read at http://streetswiki.w ikispaces.com/Induce d+Traffic Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.[/p][/quote]Bit like yourself then, you keep repeating the same old twaddle. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 17

8:59pm Wed 18 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Caecilius wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic?

You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.
Have a read at http://streetswiki.w



ikispaces.com/Induce



d+Traffic

Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.
I know you are of course unwilling to listen to logic, but of course there has to be a tipping point in that argument.
Are you telling us that if we halved the roads available would that half the traffic? Of course the answer is obviously no, Lendal bridge gives us a nice glimpse of that.
Hence doubling the road capacity wouldn't double the traffic. Yes you are right it might cause more journeys by that phenomenon. But you are using a logical fallacy to say that doubling road space means it would automatically fill up.

But of course logic doesn't need looking at in your bike good car bad world (or hoped for lycra paradise...)
Between 1994 and 2012, the number of licenced cars in the UK increased by 35%. Unless you keep increasing the amount of road space at the same rate, which God forbid, the roads will inevitably fill up, as the evidence of your own eyes should tell you. Trying to build your way out of the problem, e.g. by dualling the ring road, is futile and a complete waste of public money.
Another disciple of pp, predicting doom, it's not a case of trying to build your way out, it's keeping pace with modern living, cars will continue to be built, people will buy cars, people will use those cars they have bought, you and people like pp need to realise you are a minority.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.[/p][/quote]like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic? You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.[/p][/quote]Have a read at http://streetswiki.w ikispaces.com/Induce d+Traffic Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.[/p][/quote]I know you are of course unwilling to listen to logic, but of course there has to be a tipping point in that argument. Are you telling us that if we halved the roads available would that half the traffic? Of course the answer is obviously no, Lendal bridge gives us a nice glimpse of that. Hence doubling the road capacity wouldn't double the traffic. Yes you are right it might cause more journeys by that phenomenon. But you are using a logical fallacy to say that doubling road space means it would automatically fill up. But of course logic doesn't need looking at in your bike good car bad world (or hoped for lycra paradise...)[/p][/quote]Between 1994 and 2012, the number of licenced cars in the UK increased by 35%. Unless you keep increasing the amount of road space at the same rate, which God forbid, the roads will inevitably fill up, as the evidence of your own eyes should tell you. Trying to build your way out of the problem, e.g. by dualling the ring road, is futile and a complete waste of public money.[/p][/quote]Another disciple of pp, predicting doom, it's not a case of trying to build your way out, it's keeping pace with modern living, cars will continue to be built, people will buy cars, people will use those cars they have bought, you and people like pp need to realise you are a minority. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 19

9:11pm Wed 18 Jun 14

eeoodares says...

Caecilius wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic?

You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.
Have a read at http://streetswiki.w



ikispaces.com/Induce



d+Traffic

Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.
I know you are of course unwilling to listen to logic, but of course there has to be a tipping point in that argument.
Are you telling us that if we halved the roads available would that half the traffic? Of course the answer is obviously no, Lendal bridge gives us a nice glimpse of that.
Hence doubling the road capacity wouldn't double the traffic. Yes you are right it might cause more journeys by that phenomenon. But you are using a logical fallacy to say that doubling road space means it would automatically fill up.

But of course logic doesn't need looking at in your bike good car bad world (or hoped for lycra paradise...)
Between 1994 and 2012, the number of licenced cars in the UK increased by 35%. Unless you keep increasing the amount of road space at the same rate, which God forbid, the roads will inevitably fill up, as the evidence of your own eyes should tell you. Trying to build your way out of the problem, e.g. by dualling the ring road, is futile and a complete waste of public money.
During the same period how much has the population of the UK increased? Are you suggesting that we allow nobody else into the country and impose a maximum of one child per family or build more houses?

I would imagine that you suggest the world should stop building, when should we have stopped?

The world has changed kid, get used to it. The one-sided arguments from the likes of our council, for example PPaul, has turned the population of a City against any policy, sensible or otherwise, you might ever have!

If they had any self respect they would have quit, but they have not because they do not!
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.[/p][/quote]like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic? You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.[/p][/quote]Have a read at http://streetswiki.w ikispaces.com/Induce d+Traffic Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.[/p][/quote]I know you are of course unwilling to listen to logic, but of course there has to be a tipping point in that argument. Are you telling us that if we halved the roads available would that half the traffic? Of course the answer is obviously no, Lendal bridge gives us a nice glimpse of that. Hence doubling the road capacity wouldn't double the traffic. Yes you are right it might cause more journeys by that phenomenon. But you are using a logical fallacy to say that doubling road space means it would automatically fill up. But of course logic doesn't need looking at in your bike good car bad world (or hoped for lycra paradise...)[/p][/quote]Between 1994 and 2012, the number of licenced cars in the UK increased by 35%. Unless you keep increasing the amount of road space at the same rate, which God forbid, the roads will inevitably fill up, as the evidence of your own eyes should tell you. Trying to build your way out of the problem, e.g. by dualling the ring road, is futile and a complete waste of public money.[/p][/quote]During the same period how much has the population of the UK increased? Are you suggesting that we allow nobody else into the country and impose a maximum of one child per family or build more houses? I would imagine that you suggest the world should stop building, when should we have stopped? The world has changed kid, get used to it. The one-sided arguments from the likes of our council, for example PPaul, has turned the population of a City against any policy, sensible or otherwise, you might ever have! If they had any self respect they would have quit, but they have not because they do not! eeoodares
  • Score: 12

9:43pm Wed 18 Jun 14

truthseeker2 says...

acomblass wrote:
Clearly this man is living in a parallel universe completely detached from the realities like - all youth workers in the city being made redundant, like two outstanding officers resigning together from adult social services, like two new interim appointments arriving on 23 June to take their place at what cost per day, like funding being withdrawn from all community centres, like the Lendal Bridge fiasco, like litter bins not being emptied, like volunteers being recruited to do the work of council employees, like most Labour councillors not attending meetings, like no action being taken on bullying.........etc etc
This looks like there might be a mole on the lose in West Offices.....
[quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: Clearly this man is living in a parallel universe completely detached from the realities like - all youth workers in the city being made redundant, like two outstanding officers resigning together from adult social services, like two new interim appointments arriving on 23 June to take their place at what cost per day, like funding being withdrawn from all community centres, like the Lendal Bridge fiasco, like litter bins not being emptied, like volunteers being recruited to do the work of council employees, like most Labour councillors not attending meetings, like no action being taken on bullying.........etc etc[/p][/quote]This looks like there might be a mole on the lose in West Offices..... truthseeker2
  • Score: 14

1:40am Thu 19 Jun 14

Badgers Drift says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
James Alexander: Stronger devolved powers to let cities take control of their own economies. The council leader said: "If we want the North to prosper, the people of the North need to make that choice themselves." Is that the same choice we had to join West Yorkshire.....?. James Alexander needs to go and build his empire somewhere else, his idea of devolved powers is that it all stops with him. Out of West Yorks and a definite "NO" to devolved powers, keep your empire boys club, we don't need it.
Devolution, now there's a thing....

Coincidence 1.
The founder of marxist think tank Demos, Geoff Mulgan wrote a paper whilst he was working there, and it was about devolution. It was about Devolvement of Local Government Finance (Initiative) ('DELFI').

Coincidence 2.
Geoff Mulgan is now chief executive of dubious politicised charity Nesta, where Kersten England is a trustee, and Nesta are becoming increasingl involved with the council.

Coincidence 3.
The new £700/day Interim Director, Sarah Tanburn gave advice to Geoff Mulgan on his 'DELFI' paper.

Devolution and the coincidences?!!!
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: James Alexander: Stronger devolved powers to let cities take control of their own economies. The council leader said: "If we want the North to prosper, the people of the North need to make that choice themselves." Is that the same choice we had to join West Yorkshire.....?. James Alexander needs to go and build his empire somewhere else, his idea of devolved powers is that it all stops with him. Out of West Yorks and a definite "NO" to devolved powers, keep your empire boys club, we don't need it.[/p][/quote]Devolution, now there's a thing.... Coincidence 1. The founder of marxist think tank Demos, Geoff Mulgan wrote a paper whilst he was working there, and it was about devolution. It was about Devolvement of Local Government Finance (Initiative) ('DELFI'). Coincidence 2. Geoff Mulgan is now chief executive of dubious politicised charity Nesta, where Kersten England is a trustee, and Nesta are becoming increasingl involved with the council. Coincidence 3. The new £700/day Interim Director, Sarah Tanburn gave advice to Geoff Mulgan on his 'DELFI' paper. Devolution and the coincidences?!!! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 13

3:38am Thu 19 Jun 14

Magicman! says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction.
James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
Please... how is replacing a roundabout with a bigger roundabout "dealing with" the problem? the problem is that there's a roundabout there, not the size of it.

The A59 roundabout is a particularly bad one as it is a 'biased roundabout' - namely, the majority of traffic entering the junction leaves by the second exit; this creates a bias for what can be a substantial period of time where traffic is only moving on the A59 going to the other section of the A59... eventually a vehicle may take the 3rd exit off onto the A1237, and it is then the responsibility of the lead vehicle on the section of the A1237 that then has a chance to finally go to be quick off the mark - as and when this happens, traffic from that side of the A1237 carries on to the other side of the roundabout onto the A1237 and blocks the A59 traffic from going: and so this swings the bias across until a vehicle from the A1237 takes the 3rd exit onto the A59 which would then swing the bias back again.
... No amount of tinkering with the roundabout will ever remove this problem.

And whilst we're talking about stupid road layouts, can anybody explain why the A59 between Beckfield Lane and the A1237 has had the cycle lane in the outbound direction removed and the carriageway in the direction made more narrow, only for there to be both a cycle lane for the inbound direction places both on the road AND on the shared pavement? What has been done has now made it dangerous for a cyclist leaving York along there who wants to travel at anything more than 10mph and/or cannot cross the Beckfield Lane junction in 2 seperate stages to get to the pavement cycle lane, whilst those cycling into York have their choice of 2 different cycle routes. Ridiculous waste of money, even the Mad Hatter would have come up with a better layout. By all means have the pavement cycle lane for going into York, but the on-road cycle lane next to it would not be necessary if cycles on the pavement cycle lane are given priority over any minor side road turnings (as they would if they were using an on-road cycle lane), and then the previousl cycle lane heading outbound could have been retained instead of wasting money removing it... but then again thise council seem to have a habit of wasting money removing cycle lanes: they spent £12k removing the Water End cycle lane, and they spent God-know-how-much at the corner of Queen Street on the 'bridge over nothing' where for a few weeks they decided the cycle lane would be in the outbound direction away from the rail station, only for it to be removed and put on the inbound direction, then a few weeks later removed from there to be put back in the outbound direction again.
... If all road planning decisions are made in the same manner as they are for cycling infastructure, then God help us all.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.[/p][/quote]Please... how is replacing a roundabout with a bigger roundabout "dealing with" the problem? the problem is that there's a roundabout there, not the size of it. The A59 roundabout is a particularly bad one as it is a 'biased roundabout' - namely, the majority of traffic entering the junction leaves by the second exit; this creates a bias for what can be a substantial period of time where traffic is only moving on the A59 going to the other section of the A59... eventually a vehicle may take the 3rd exit off onto the A1237, and it is then the responsibility of the lead vehicle on the section of the A1237 that then has a chance to finally go to be quick off the mark - as and when this happens, traffic from that side of the A1237 carries on to the other side of the roundabout onto the A1237 and blocks the A59 traffic from going: and so this swings the bias across until a vehicle from the A1237 takes the 3rd exit onto the A59 which would then swing the bias back again. ... No amount of tinkering with the roundabout will ever remove this problem. And whilst we're talking about stupid road layouts, can anybody explain why the A59 between Beckfield Lane and the A1237 has had the cycle lane in the outbound direction removed and the carriageway in the direction made more narrow, only for there to be both a cycle lane for the inbound direction places both on the road AND on the shared pavement? What has been done has now made it dangerous for a cyclist leaving York along there who wants to travel at anything more than 10mph and/or cannot cross the Beckfield Lane junction in 2 seperate stages to get to the pavement cycle lane, whilst those cycling into York have their choice of 2 different cycle routes. Ridiculous waste of money, even the Mad Hatter would have come up with a better layout. By all means have the pavement cycle lane for going into York, but the on-road cycle lane next to it would not be necessary if cycles on the pavement cycle lane are given priority over any minor side road turnings (as they would if they were using an on-road cycle lane), and then the previousl cycle lane heading outbound could have been retained instead of wasting money removing it... but then again thise council seem to have a habit of wasting money removing cycle lanes: they spent £12k removing the Water End cycle lane, and they spent God-know-how-much at the corner of Queen Street on the 'bridge over nothing' where for a few weeks they decided the cycle lane would be in the outbound direction away from the rail station, only for it to be removed and put on the inbound direction, then a few weeks later removed from there to be put back in the outbound direction again. ... If all road planning decisions are made in the same manner as they are for cycling infastructure, then God help us all. Magicman!
  • Score: 11

7:21am Thu 19 Jun 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Many of us are the people of the North james!
You are not , you belong down south! Please go back home next year when you lose this job, that you were gifted!
Many of us are the people of the North james! You are not , you belong down south! Please go back home next year when you lose this job, that you were gifted! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 16

10:01am Thu 19 Jun 14

acomblass says...

Meanwhile a third resignation in Adult Social Services and our Great Leader still denies there are any problems and the media remain silent
Meanwhile a third resignation in Adult Social Services and our Great Leader still denies there are any problems and the media remain silent acomblass
  • Score: 14

11:14am Thu 19 Jun 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Caecilius wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic? You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.
Have a read at http://streetswiki.w ikispaces.com/Induce d+Traffic Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.
I know you are of course unwilling to listen to logic, but of course there has to be a tipping point in that argument. Are you telling us that if we halved the roads available would that half the traffic? Of course the answer is obviously no, Lendal bridge gives us a nice glimpse of that. Hence doubling the road capacity wouldn't double the traffic. Yes you are right it might cause more journeys by that phenomenon. But you are using a logical fallacy to say that doubling road space means it would automatically fill up. But of course logic doesn't need looking at in your bike good car bad world (or hoped for lycra paradise...)
Between 1994 and 2012, the number of licenced cars in the UK increased by 35%. Unless you keep increasing the amount of road space at the same rate, which God forbid, the roads will inevitably fill up, as the evidence of your own eyes should tell you. Trying to build your way out of the problem, e.g. by dualling the ring road, is futile and a complete waste of public money.
Yet since around 2005 there has not been an increase in the number of cars in york yet traffic has got worse? How could this be?

My eyes see daily why york is bad for traffic. And its down to road layouts, traffic light settings and the number of settings, Busses pulling over to stop where there isnt a pull in for them (they even removed one from tadcaster road so now you have to wait behind the bus!!!)

So how is increasing speed and capacity on a ring road used by many to get on to further destinations i.e harrogate of up to the a1 futile? Again Caecilius you show your narrow minded ness to ignore the problem and just say its no good!

Yet in your last argument you said busses were great etc... if they are why is there traffic? surly if they are used so often and by so many there isn't any cars left on the road?

I'm sick of saying this now to you & Paul, if you want people to use public transport and reduce traffic get them off the fu@ckin road with a cheaper and quicker service into york centre... I.e a train link! it is embarrassing that york once seen as a rail hub can not use its own lines on the outskirts to benefit the traffic situation that has arisen.. And its down to numpties like you and paul thinking that more busses and more bikes will solve it all!!!! Wake up!

It is you two that will cause traffic doomsday with all the pointless cycle lanes, traffic lights, bus stops, 20mph zones!!! nothing to do with an increase in road uses! its about reducing capacity with no alternative given!
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.[/p][/quote]like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic? You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.[/p][/quote]Have a read at http://streetswiki.w ikispaces.com/Induce d+Traffic Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.[/p][/quote]I know you are of course unwilling to listen to logic, but of course there has to be a tipping point in that argument. Are you telling us that if we halved the roads available would that half the traffic? Of course the answer is obviously no, Lendal bridge gives us a nice glimpse of that. Hence doubling the road capacity wouldn't double the traffic. Yes you are right it might cause more journeys by that phenomenon. But you are using a logical fallacy to say that doubling road space means it would automatically fill up. But of course logic doesn't need looking at in your bike good car bad world (or hoped for lycra paradise...)[/p][/quote]Between 1994 and 2012, the number of licenced cars in the UK increased by 35%. Unless you keep increasing the amount of road space at the same rate, which God forbid, the roads will inevitably fill up, as the evidence of your own eyes should tell you. Trying to build your way out of the problem, e.g. by dualling the ring road, is futile and a complete waste of public money.[/p][/quote]Yet since around 2005 there has not been an increase in the number of cars in york yet traffic has got worse? How could this be? My eyes see daily why york is bad for traffic. And its down to road layouts, traffic light settings and the number of settings, Busses pulling over to stop where there isnt a pull in for them (they even removed one from tadcaster road so now you have to wait behind the bus!!!) So how is increasing speed and capacity on a ring road used by many to get on to further destinations i.e harrogate of up to the a1 futile? Again Caecilius you show your narrow minded ness to ignore the problem and just say its no good! Yet in your last argument you said busses were great etc... if they are why is there traffic? surly if they are used so often and by so many there isn't any cars left on the road? I'm sick of saying this now to you & Paul, if you want people to use public transport and reduce traffic get them off the fu@ckin road with a cheaper and quicker service into york centre... I.e a train link! it is embarrassing that york once seen as a rail hub can not use its own lines on the outskirts to benefit the traffic situation that has arisen.. And its down to numpties like you and paul thinking that more busses and more bikes will solve it all!!!! Wake up! It is you two that will cause traffic doomsday with all the pointless cycle lanes, traffic lights, bus stops, 20mph zones!!! nothing to do with an increase in road uses! its about reducing capacity with no alternative given! Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 9

11:18am Thu 19 Jun 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

wow - the weight loss is incredible. Could it be worry that's doing it? OR - is he smartening himself up ready for new horizons..........he wouldn't want anyone to think him as Northern (do we all live on pie and chips?). Better go to Specsavers as well though - if this is your vision you deffo need new glasses.
wow - the weight loss is incredible. Could it be worry that's doing it? OR - is he smartening himself up ready for new horizons..........he wouldn't want anyone to think him as Northern (do we all live on pie and chips?). Better go to Specsavers as well though - if this is your vision you deffo need new glasses. thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: 8

11:24am Thu 19 Jun 14

andrew flower says...

GMuser wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction.
James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
Welcome to the one vision world of PP. The original mistake I grant you was not building a proper dual carriageway outer ring road. It was obvious that it would cause problems simply due to it 'cheap' design failures. BUT to suggest it would naturally lead to bigger jams is complete nonsense. If you could get around York outskirts on a proper continuous dualled road without being stuck on useless roundabouts then I would suggest that most people would use it rather than 'fight' through York centre. Add proper information on this road and all approaches as to the best entrance road to use to get to a service (eg Hospital) then it would be used as a 'ring road'. You could even encourage tourists to use park and ride sights by listing them by slip road exits (Yes give each exit a number). BUT hey ho I am sure the logic of a road user cannot compare to the so called 'experts' in town transport planning. Some of them even drive I am told!!!!
PP in his 4x4 hypocite without equal. Alexander's mouthpiece
[quote][p][bold]GMuser[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.[/p][/quote]Welcome to the one vision world of PP. The original mistake I grant you was not building a proper dual carriageway outer ring road. It was obvious that it would cause problems simply due to it 'cheap' design failures. BUT to suggest it would naturally lead to bigger jams is complete nonsense. If you could get around York outskirts on a proper continuous dualled road without being stuck on useless roundabouts then I would suggest that most people would use it rather than 'fight' through York centre. Add proper information on this road and all approaches as to the best entrance road to use to get to a service (eg Hospital) then it would be used as a 'ring road'. You could even encourage tourists to use park and ride sights by listing them by slip road exits (Yes give each exit a number). BUT hey ho I am sure the logic of a road user cannot compare to the so called 'experts' in town transport planning. Some of them even drive I am told!!!![/p][/quote]PP in his 4x4 hypocite without equal. Alexander's mouthpiece andrew flower
  • Score: 11

5:48pm Thu 19 Jun 14

mel_drew says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
Who proof read this before letting it out, Come on Editor, I have had a reply earlier this month stating your having problems ???
You're.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: Who proof read this before letting it out, Come on Editor, I have had a reply earlier this month stating your having problems ???[/p][/quote]You're. mel_drew
  • Score: -2

7:06am Fri 20 Jun 14

A.P.Feeders says...

Got a life wrote:
So that'll be an overwhelming vote of confidence to Alexander, lets not forget Merrett and Spagetti Head!
Lol
[quote][p][bold]Got a life[/bold] wrote: So that'll be an overwhelming vote of confidence to Alexander, lets not forget Merrett and Spagetti Head![/p][/quote]Lol A.P.Feeders
  • Score: 5

7:56am Fri 20 Jun 14

andrew flower says...

acomblass wrote:
Meanwhile a third resignation in Adult Social Services and our Great Leader still denies there are any problems and the media remain silent
Because the Press are no better than Pravda, they print only what James Lenin Alexander allows them to
[quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: Meanwhile a third resignation in Adult Social Services and our Great Leader still denies there are any problems and the media remain silent[/p][/quote]Because the Press are no better than Pravda, they print only what James Lenin Alexander allows them to andrew flower
  • Score: 6

10:13am Sat 21 Jun 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Caecilius wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic? You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.
Have a read at http://streetswiki.w ikispaces.com/Induce d+Traffic Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.
I know you are of course unwilling to listen to logic, but of course there has to be a tipping point in that argument. Are you telling us that if we halved the roads available would that half the traffic? Of course the answer is obviously no, Lendal bridge gives us a nice glimpse of that. Hence doubling the road capacity wouldn't double the traffic. Yes you are right it might cause more journeys by that phenomenon. But you are using a logical fallacy to say that doubling road space means it would automatically fill up. But of course logic doesn't need looking at in your bike good car bad world (or hoped for lycra paradise...)
Between 1994 and 2012, the number of licenced cars in the UK increased by 35%. Unless you keep increasing the amount of road space at the same rate, which God forbid, the roads will inevitably fill up, as the evidence of your own eyes should tell you. Trying to build your way out of the problem, e.g. by dualling the ring road, is futile and a complete waste of public money.
Yet since around 2005 there has not been an increase in the number of cars in york yet traffic has got worse? How could this be?

My eyes see daily why york is bad for traffic. And its down to road layouts, traffic light settings and the number of settings, Busses pulling over to stop where there isnt a pull in for them (they even removed one from tadcaster road so now you have to wait behind the bus!!!)

So how is increasing speed and capacity on a ring road used by many to get on to further destinations i.e harrogate of up to the a1 futile? Again Caecilius you show your narrow minded ness to ignore the problem and just say its no good!

Yet in your last argument you said busses were great etc... if they are why is there traffic? surly if they are used so often and by so many there isn't any cars left on the road?

I'm sick of saying this now to you & Paul, if you want people to use public transport and reduce traffic get them off the fu@ckin road with a cheaper and quicker service into york centre... I.e a train link! it is embarrassing that york once seen as a rail hub can not use its own lines on the outskirts to benefit the traffic situation that has arisen.. And its down to numpties like you and paul thinking that more busses and more bikes will solve it all!!!! Wake up!

It is you two that will cause traffic doomsday with all the pointless cycle lanes, traffic lights, bus stops, 20mph zones!!! nothing to do with an increase in road uses! its about reducing capacity with no alternative given!
"Yet since around 2005 there has not been an increase in the number of cars in York yet traffic has got worse? How could this be? "

do they do the car count when all the students have gone back home? i know of 3 terraced properties with 14 students between them and 10 cars, living within walking distance of St Johns college, 4 of the lazy bleeders go in cars to the college daily (that i know of)
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.[/p][/quote]like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic? You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.[/p][/quote]Have a read at http://streetswiki.w ikispaces.com/Induce d+Traffic Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.[/p][/quote]I know you are of course unwilling to listen to logic, but of course there has to be a tipping point in that argument. Are you telling us that if we halved the roads available would that half the traffic? Of course the answer is obviously no, Lendal bridge gives us a nice glimpse of that. Hence doubling the road capacity wouldn't double the traffic. Yes you are right it might cause more journeys by that phenomenon. But you are using a logical fallacy to say that doubling road space means it would automatically fill up. But of course logic doesn't need looking at in your bike good car bad world (or hoped for lycra paradise...)[/p][/quote]Between 1994 and 2012, the number of licenced cars in the UK increased by 35%. Unless you keep increasing the amount of road space at the same rate, which God forbid, the roads will inevitably fill up, as the evidence of your own eyes should tell you. Trying to build your way out of the problem, e.g. by dualling the ring road, is futile and a complete waste of public money.[/p][/quote]Yet since around 2005 there has not been an increase in the number of cars in york yet traffic has got worse? How could this be? My eyes see daily why york is bad for traffic. And its down to road layouts, traffic light settings and the number of settings, Busses pulling over to stop where there isnt a pull in for them (they even removed one from tadcaster road so now you have to wait behind the bus!!!) So how is increasing speed and capacity on a ring road used by many to get on to further destinations i.e harrogate of up to the a1 futile? Again Caecilius you show your narrow minded ness to ignore the problem and just say its no good! Yet in your last argument you said busses were great etc... if they are why is there traffic? surly if they are used so often and by so many there isn't any cars left on the road? I'm sick of saying this now to you & Paul, if you want people to use public transport and reduce traffic get them off the fu@ckin road with a cheaper and quicker service into york centre... I.e a train link! it is embarrassing that york once seen as a rail hub can not use its own lines on the outskirts to benefit the traffic situation that has arisen.. And its down to numpties like you and paul thinking that more busses and more bikes will solve it all!!!! Wake up! It is you two that will cause traffic doomsday with all the pointless cycle lanes, traffic lights, bus stops, 20mph zones!!! nothing to do with an increase in road uses! its about reducing capacity with no alternative given![/p][/quote]"Yet since around 2005 there has not been an increase in the number of cars in York yet traffic has got worse? How could this be? " do they do the car count when all the students have gone back home? i know of 3 terraced properties with 14 students between them and 10 cars, living within walking distance of St Johns college, 4 of the lazy bleeders go in cars to the college daily (that i know of) oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 3

6:39pm Sat 21 Jun 14

hardlybelievable says...

Anything that fatty tup tup says will be a waste of good Oxygen, but at least the coalition government will put a stop to his silly games with his cash cow camera van.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-27952341

Coalition over local labour incompetents any day!
Anything that fatty tup tup says will be a waste of good Oxygen, but at least the coalition government will put a stop to his silly games with his cash cow camera van. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-27952341 Coalition over local labour incompetents any day! hardlybelievable
  • Score: 2

7:45pm Sat 21 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

hardlybelievable wrote:
Anything that fatty tup tup says will be a waste of good Oxygen, but at least the coalition government will put a stop to his silly games with his cash cow camera van.

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-27952341

Coalition over local labour incompetents any day!
Couldn't believe it when I read in the news that the widespread use of static and car-mounted cameras to catch drivers who park illegally in England is to be banned, the government also says so-called "spy cars" have been used as a "cash cow" by councils, and it wants to end the "plague" of parking fines being sent in the post, and instead traffic wardens will have to fix penalty notices to windscreens, however, councils will still be able to use the cameras near schools, in bus lanes and bus stops, and on "red routes", hooray for common sense, bet Alexander and Merrett are apoplectic along with pp!
[quote][p][bold]hardlybelievable[/bold] wrote: Anything that fatty tup tup says will be a waste of good Oxygen, but at least the coalition government will put a stop to his silly games with his cash cow camera van. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-27952341 Coalition over local labour incompetents any day![/p][/quote]Couldn't believe it when I read in the news that the widespread use of static and car-mounted cameras to catch drivers who park illegally in England is to be banned, the government also says so-called "spy cars" have been used as a "cash cow" by councils, and it wants to end the "plague" of parking fines being sent in the post, and instead traffic wardens will have to fix penalty notices to windscreens, however, councils will still be able to use the cameras near schools, in bus lanes and bus stops, and on "red routes", hooray for common sense, bet Alexander and Merrett are apoplectic along with pp! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -2

9:15pm Sun 22 Jun 14

courier46 says...

Future? you haven`t much of that left in York and when you go take your local plan and crazy schemes with you.
Future? you haven`t much of that left in York and when you go take your local plan and crazy schemes with you. courier46
  • Score: 3

9:32pm Mon 23 Jun 14

jay, york says...

acomblass wrote:
Meanwhile a third resignation in Adult Social Services and our Great Leader still denies there are any problems and the media remain silent
Please keep up all the excellent comments - at least this way we may find out something closer to the truth
[quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: Meanwhile a third resignation in Adult Social Services and our Great Leader still denies there are any problems and the media remain silent[/p][/quote]Please keep up all the excellent comments - at least this way we may find out something closer to the truth jay, york
  • Score: 5

9:35pm Mon 23 Jun 14

jay, york says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Caecilius wrote:
AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.
like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic? You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.
Have a read at http://streetswiki.w ikispaces.com/Induce d+Traffic Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.
I know you are of course unwilling to listen to logic, but of course there has to be a tipping point in that argument. Are you telling us that if we halved the roads available would that half the traffic? Of course the answer is obviously no, Lendal bridge gives us a nice glimpse of that. Hence doubling the road capacity wouldn't double the traffic. Yes you are right it might cause more journeys by that phenomenon. But you are using a logical fallacy to say that doubling road space means it would automatically fill up. But of course logic doesn't need looking at in your bike good car bad world (or hoped for lycra paradise...)
Between 1994 and 2012, the number of licenced cars in the UK increased by 35%. Unless you keep increasing the amount of road space at the same rate, which God forbid, the roads will inevitably fill up, as the evidence of your own eyes should tell you. Trying to build your way out of the problem, e.g. by dualling the ring road, is futile and a complete waste of public money.
Yet since around 2005 there has not been an increase in the number of cars in york yet traffic has got worse? How could this be? My eyes see daily why york is bad for traffic. And its down to road layouts, traffic light settings and the number of settings, Busses pulling over to stop where there isnt a pull in for them (they even removed one from tadcaster road so now you have to wait behind the bus!!!) So how is increasing speed and capacity on a ring road used by many to get on to further destinations i.e harrogate of up to the a1 futile? Again Caecilius you show your narrow minded ness to ignore the problem and just say its no good! Yet in your last argument you said busses were great etc... if they are why is there traffic? surly if they are used so often and by so many there isn't any cars left on the road? I'm sick of saying this now to you & Paul, if you want people to use public transport and reduce traffic get them off the fu@ckin road with a cheaper and quicker service into york centre... I.e a train link! it is embarrassing that york once seen as a rail hub can not use its own lines on the outskirts to benefit the traffic situation that has arisen.. And its down to numpties like you and paul thinking that more busses and more bikes will solve it all!!!! Wake up! It is you two that will cause traffic doomsday with all the pointless cycle lanes, traffic lights, bus stops, 20mph zones!!! nothing to do with an increase in road uses! its about reducing capacity with no alternative given!
Very very well said!
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 pinch points are the roundabout junctions that were installed by N Yorks County Council when they designed the road as the then Highway Authority. These are being incrementally dealt with eg currently the A59 junction. James should take time to seek advice from his own Transport Planners, about the long term consequences of dualling the road, in terms of induced journeys. We would only end up with bigger jams on a bigger road. This consideration extends beyond political expediency and electoral popularity.[/p][/quote]like you paul??? yes duelling it would mean that more people would use it?? (sarcasm) why would it? Would people from the south turn off the a64 to use it to then join the A64 back at the top? Would people just think hey lets use that road for a beautiful drive? Or more likely would people just use it when they need to as there are no alternative routes or to avoid the city centre therefore decreasing city centre traffic? You have no back up or foundation for such a claim.[/p][/quote]Have a read at http://streetswiki.w ikispaces.com/Induce d+Traffic Those who fail to learn the lessons of history, are condemned to repeat them.[/p][/quote]I know you are of course unwilling to listen to logic, but of course there has to be a tipping point in that argument. Are you telling us that if we halved the roads available would that half the traffic? Of course the answer is obviously no, Lendal bridge gives us a nice glimpse of that. Hence doubling the road capacity wouldn't double the traffic. Yes you are right it might cause more journeys by that phenomenon. But you are using a logical fallacy to say that doubling road space means it would automatically fill up. But of course logic doesn't need looking at in your bike good car bad world (or hoped for lycra paradise...)[/p][/quote]Between 1994 and 2012, the number of licenced cars in the UK increased by 35%. Unless you keep increasing the amount of road space at the same rate, which God forbid, the roads will inevitably fill up, as the evidence of your own eyes should tell you. Trying to build your way out of the problem, e.g. by dualling the ring road, is futile and a complete waste of public money.[/p][/quote]Yet since around 2005 there has not been an increase in the number of cars in york yet traffic has got worse? How could this be? My eyes see daily why york is bad for traffic. And its down to road layouts, traffic light settings and the number of settings, Busses pulling over to stop where there isnt a pull in for them (they even removed one from tadcaster road so now you have to wait behind the bus!!!) So how is increasing speed and capacity on a ring road used by many to get on to further destinations i.e harrogate of up to the a1 futile? Again Caecilius you show your narrow minded ness to ignore the problem and just say its no good! Yet in your last argument you said busses were great etc... if they are why is there traffic? surly if they are used so often and by so many there isn't any cars left on the road? I'm sick of saying this now to you & Paul, if you want people to use public transport and reduce traffic get them off the fu@ckin road with a cheaper and quicker service into york centre... I.e a train link! it is embarrassing that york once seen as a rail hub can not use its own lines on the outskirts to benefit the traffic situation that has arisen.. And its down to numpties like you and paul thinking that more busses and more bikes will solve it all!!!! Wake up! It is you two that will cause traffic doomsday with all the pointless cycle lanes, traffic lights, bus stops, 20mph zones!!! nothing to do with an increase in road uses! its about reducing capacity with no alternative given![/p][/quote]Very very well said! jay, york
  • Score: 3

1:22pm Thu 10 Jul 14

redjan says...

I agree well said
I agree well said redjan
  • Score: 0

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