County food banks help 6,000 people

County food banks help 6,000 people

County food banks help 6,000 people

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NEARLY 6,000 people in York and North Yorkshire have needed help from food banks in the past year, a new report reveals today.

Figures released by the Trussell Trust today show 5,874 people in the region, including 1,937 children, were given three days' emergency food over the last year.

In Yorkshire and Humberside there was a rise in food poverty during the year up to March, with a 260.34 per cent increase in meals being given out.

Laura Hagues, project manager of the Trussell Trust coordinated food banks in Acomb, Tang Hall, Clifton and Huntington Road in York, said: "The figures surprise me from a moral point of view - the need for a food bank is surprising in this country. In terms of the welfare reforms we have seen in the last year, that does not surprise me and I imagine it will carry on that way for the foreseeable future."

Around 130 to 150 people a month use the foodbank in York, with numbers peaking last summer during the school holidays.

More than 50 per cent of people using the food banks in York have benefit-related issues including delays and complications.

Others are people on low incomes and zero hour contract, Ms Hagues said, adding "It's not through lack of wanting to partake in society - people are but it's not paying the money they need."

In North Yorkshire there are also Trussell Trust run food banks in Portholme Church in Selby, Mowbray Community Church in Scarborough and the Ryedale Food Bank Hope Central in Malton.

People have to have been referred by other agencies to receive food.

Lesley Hurley, the project manager of the Ryedale Food Bank, said it has given packages to 700 people since opening 11 months ago. She said many people were forced to prioritise pay rent, energy bills and the transport costs of living in a rural area on low salaries, before paying for food.

She said: "Under what looks like affluent Ryedale there's an under lying amount of people going without."

Nationally, 20 million meals were given out via the food banks last year.

The report released today by report published today by Oxfam, Church Action on Poverty and The Trussell Trust, notes that food prices have increased by 43.5 per cent in the past eight years. During the same time the poorest 20 per cent have seen their disposable income fall by £936 a year.

Mark Goldring, Oxfam chief executive, said: “Food banks provide invaluable support for families on the breadline but the fact they are needed in 21st Century Britain is a stain on our national conscience. Why is the Government not looking into this?

“We truly are living through a tale of two Britains; while those at the top of the tree may be benefiting from the green shoots of economic recovery, life on the ground for the poorest is getting tougher."

Chris Mould, chairman of The Trussell Trust said: “Trussell Trust food banks alone gave three days’ food to over 300,000 children last year.

"Unless there is determined policy action to ensure that the benefits of national economic recovery reach people on low-incomes we won’t see life get better for the poorest anytime soon.”

The report will feature on tonight’s Dispatches, to be broadcast at 7.30pm on Channel 4.

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11:13am Mon 9 Jun 14

CHISSY1 says...

How many of those 6000 smoked,were regular boozers,were bone idle lazy scroungers and could not and would not get of their lazy backsides and help themselves.
How many of those 6000 smoked,were regular boozers,were bone idle lazy scroungers and could not and would not get of their lazy backsides and help themselves. CHISSY1
  • Score: -51

12:21pm Mon 9 Jun 14

CommonSense!! says...

Far too many people who don't help themselves out there, instead relying on things like this.
Far too many people who don't help themselves out there, instead relying on things like this. CommonSense!!
  • Score: -44

12:38pm Mon 9 Jun 14

oi oi savaloy says...

I was watching a report on calendar the other week about food banks and it surprised me that they actually put it on the t.v. !!

all the people they interviewed using the food bank were like clearly not going hungry or enduring any kind of poverty at all, they had brand new track suits and clothes on and were rather obese!

poverty in this country is just left wing twaddle, nobody is going hungry or without anything!
I was watching a report on calendar the other week about food banks and it surprised me that they actually put it on the t.v. !! all the people they interviewed using the food bank were like clearly not going hungry or enduring any kind of poverty at all, they had brand new track suits and clothes on and were rather obese! poverty in this country is just left wing twaddle, nobody is going hungry or without anything! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -43

12:54pm Mon 9 Jun 14

CommonSense!! says...

Go on boys and girls, put down your socialist worker and do your worst
Go on boys and girls, put down your socialist worker and do your worst CommonSense!!
  • Score: -61

1:20pm Mon 9 Jun 14

malonemalone says...

and i can guarantee you at least half of them have Sky TV, smoke(and the other) booze it up etc.................
..i know a few myself it is shocking
and i can guarantee you at least half of them have Sky TV, smoke(and the other) booze it up etc................. ..i know a few myself it is shocking malonemalone
  • Score: -44

1:34pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Alf Garnett says...

As one might have predicted, the Daily Mail rightwing firebrands out in force today. This neo-Calvinist "if you're suffering you deserve to" stuff really doesn't begin to address a very serious problem and is totally facile. There are more people in poverty who are working than there are who are unemployed. The problem is poor wages, zero hours "contracts" and too many people (though a small percentage of the population) who help themselves to a bigger chunk of the pie, while making those who work for them suffer.
As one might have predicted, the Daily Mail rightwing firebrands out in force today. This neo-Calvinist "if you're suffering you deserve to" stuff really doesn't begin to address a very serious problem and is totally facile. There are more people in poverty who are working than there are who are unemployed. The problem is poor wages, zero hours "contracts" and too many people (though a small percentage of the population) who help themselves to a bigger chunk of the pie, while making those who work for them suffer. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 49

2:13pm Mon 9 Jun 14

CommonSense!! says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
As one might have predicted, the Daily Mail rightwing firebrands out in force today. This neo-Calvinist "if you're suffering you deserve to" stuff really doesn't begin to address a very serious problem and is totally facile. There are more people in poverty who are working than there are who are unemployed. The problem is poor wages, zero hours "contracts" and too many people (though a small percentage of the population) who help themselves to a bigger chunk of the pie, while making those who work for them suffer.
Aha, the predictable communist replies begin.

If you're not getting a big enough chunk of pie compared to others you can either wallow in it and deem it unfair, or make sure you're one of the ones enjoying the big chunks. Unfortunately the former seems to be the way adopted by too many here in the UK, moaning about others having more than them instead of doing something about it and earning more.

But hey, you keep on with your dubious ideological Robin Hood politics, after all communism works a treat in Russia and North Korea doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: As one might have predicted, the Daily Mail rightwing firebrands out in force today. This neo-Calvinist "if you're suffering you deserve to" stuff really doesn't begin to address a very serious problem and is totally facile. There are more people in poverty who are working than there are who are unemployed. The problem is poor wages, zero hours "contracts" and too many people (though a small percentage of the population) who help themselves to a bigger chunk of the pie, while making those who work for them suffer.[/p][/quote]Aha, the predictable communist replies begin. If you're not getting a big enough chunk of pie compared to others you can either wallow in it and deem it unfair, or make sure you're one of the ones enjoying the big chunks. Unfortunately the former seems to be the way adopted by too many here in the UK, moaning about others having more than them instead of doing something about it and earning more. But hey, you keep on with your dubious ideological Robin Hood politics, after all communism works a treat in Russia and North Korea doesn't it? CommonSense!!
  • Score: -51

2:18pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Thecynic says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
How many of those 6000 smoked,were regular boozers,were bone idle lazy scroungers and could not and would not get of their lazy backsides and help themselves.
According to the registered statistics there were 23 that fit into that category. Another 1,479 were working either on Zero hours contracts, or were working part-time as full time work was not available.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: How many of those 6000 smoked,were regular boozers,were bone idle lazy scroungers and could not and would not get of their lazy backsides and help themselves.[/p][/quote]According to the registered statistics there were 23 that fit into that category. Another 1,479 were working either on Zero hours contracts, or were working part-time as full time work was not available. Thecynic
  • Score: 26

2:23pm Mon 9 Jun 14

bloodaxe says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
How many of those 6000 smoked,were regular boozers,were bone idle lazy scroungers and could not and would not get of their lazy backsides and help themselves.
Do you contribute to food banks ? You do not. Do you go to a food bank ? You do not. Is this costing you anything ? It is not. Have you got off your lazy backside and helped yourself ? Possibly. What is it with some people that they can't bear the fact that there are people who are in genuine need. Why do you have to disparage something that you can't understand ? What insecurities in your own life lead you to this mean spirited attack on the unfortunate ? You can't get food food from a foodbank unless you are referred by a social agency. It isn't an option of choice. Be thankful that you, through your own unaided sacrifice and hard work, have more than you need but don't attack someone who hasn't. We should have left all that behind in the Middle Ages, where it belongs.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: How many of those 6000 smoked,were regular boozers,were bone idle lazy scroungers and could not and would not get of their lazy backsides and help themselves.[/p][/quote]Do you contribute to food banks ? You do not. Do you go to a food bank ? You do not. Is this costing you anything ? It is not. Have you got off your lazy backside and helped yourself ? Possibly. What is it with some people that they can't bear the fact that there are people who are in genuine need. Why do you have to disparage something that you can't understand ? What insecurities in your own life lead you to this mean spirited attack on the unfortunate ? You can't get food food from a foodbank unless you are referred by a social agency. It isn't an option of choice. Be thankful that you, through your own unaided sacrifice and hard work, have more than you need but don't attack someone who hasn't. We should have left all that behind in the Middle Ages, where it belongs. bloodaxe
  • Score: 67

2:35pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Alf Garnett says...

CommonSense!! wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
As one might have predicted, the Daily Mail rightwing firebrands out in force today. This neo-Calvinist "if you're suffering you deserve to" stuff really doesn't begin to address a very serious problem and is totally facile. There are more people in poverty who are working than there are who are unemployed. The problem is poor wages, zero hours "contracts" and too many people (though a small percentage of the population) who help themselves to a bigger chunk of the pie, while making those who work for them suffer.
Aha, the predictable communist replies begin.

If you're not getting a big enough chunk of pie compared to others you can either wallow in it and deem it unfair, or make sure you're one of the ones enjoying the big chunks. Unfortunately the former seems to be the way adopted by too many here in the UK, moaning about others having more than them instead of doing something about it and earning more.

But hey, you keep on with your dubious ideological Robin Hood politics, after all communism works a treat in Russia and North Korea doesn't it?
You wouldn't know a communist if it bit you on the bum. You do however, hit the proverbial nail on the head. It is about those who can grabbing what they can and to hell with the rest. Anyway, Christine Lagarde, Mark Carney and George Osborne think that there problems of inequality in the UK then perhaps it isn't as far left as you imagine. As for Russia being communist, well it isn't (nor for that matter is North Korea, as anyone who knows will tell you. It's a fascist dictatorship). As for whether communism works, it is one of the theses of Thomas Picketty that the spectre of communism held rampant capitalism in check and allowed a bigger share of the pie to go to the people who actually provided the manpower. As for your gratuitous appellation of communist to me, well if I'm a communist then you're a fascist, which you are probably not.
[quote][p][bold]CommonSense!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: As one might have predicted, the Daily Mail rightwing firebrands out in force today. This neo-Calvinist "if you're suffering you deserve to" stuff really doesn't begin to address a very serious problem and is totally facile. There are more people in poverty who are working than there are who are unemployed. The problem is poor wages, zero hours "contracts" and too many people (though a small percentage of the population) who help themselves to a bigger chunk of the pie, while making those who work for them suffer.[/p][/quote]Aha, the predictable communist replies begin. If you're not getting a big enough chunk of pie compared to others you can either wallow in it and deem it unfair, or make sure you're one of the ones enjoying the big chunks. Unfortunately the former seems to be the way adopted by too many here in the UK, moaning about others having more than them instead of doing something about it and earning more. But hey, you keep on with your dubious ideological Robin Hood politics, after all communism works a treat in Russia and North Korea doesn't it?[/p][/quote]You wouldn't know a communist if it bit you on the bum. You do however, hit the proverbial nail on the head. It is about those who can grabbing what they can and to hell with the rest. Anyway, Christine Lagarde, Mark Carney and George Osborne think that there problems of inequality in the UK then perhaps it isn't as far left as you imagine. As for Russia being communist, well it isn't (nor for that matter is North Korea, as anyone who knows will tell you. It's a fascist dictatorship). As for whether communism works, it is one of the theses of Thomas Picketty that the spectre of communism held rampant capitalism in check and allowed a bigger share of the pie to go to the people who actually provided the manpower. As for your gratuitous appellation of communist to me, well if I'm a communist then you're a fascist, which you are probably not. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 60

2:48pm Mon 9 Jun 14

malonemalone says...

bloodaxe wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
How many of those 6000 smoked,were regular boozers,were bone idle lazy scroungers and could not and would not get of their lazy backsides and help themselves.
Do you contribute to food banks ? You do not. Do you go to a food bank ? You do not. Is this costing you anything ? It is not. Have you got off your lazy backside and helped yourself ? Possibly. What is it with some people that they can't bear the fact that there are people who are in genuine need. Why do you have to disparage something that you can't understand ? What insecurities in your own life lead you to this mean spirited attack on the unfortunate ? You can't get food food from a foodbank unless you are referred by a social agency. It isn't an option of choice. Be thankful that you, through your own unaided sacrifice and hard work, have more than you need but don't attack someone who hasn't. We should have left all that behind in the Middle Ages, where it belongs.
how wrong you are .................
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: How many of those 6000 smoked,were regular boozers,were bone idle lazy scroungers and could not and would not get of their lazy backsides and help themselves.[/p][/quote]Do you contribute to food banks ? You do not. Do you go to a food bank ? You do not. Is this costing you anything ? It is not. Have you got off your lazy backside and helped yourself ? Possibly. What is it with some people that they can't bear the fact that there are people who are in genuine need. Why do you have to disparage something that you can't understand ? What insecurities in your own life lead you to this mean spirited attack on the unfortunate ? You can't get food food from a foodbank unless you are referred by a social agency. It isn't an option of choice. Be thankful that you, through your own unaided sacrifice and hard work, have more than you need but don't attack someone who hasn't. We should have left all that behind in the Middle Ages, where it belongs.[/p][/quote]how wrong you are ................. malonemalone
  • Score: -57

2:59pm Mon 9 Jun 14

piaggio1 says...

Ahh. Love it . When communism/ socialism.( far too many ism.s) .fails its called.........
......er fascist....
Ahh. Love it . When communism/ socialism.( far too many ism.s) .fails its called......... ......er fascist.... piaggio1
  • Score: 42

3:21pm Mon 9 Jun 14

asd says...

piaggio1 wrote:
Ahh. Love it . When communism/ socialism.( far too many ism.s) .fails its called.........
......er fascist....
I love it when right wingers call left wingers err Communist. Capitalism is really working well isn't it, let me see USA and UK have borrowed money from where? ahh yes CHINA a communist country. well keep fishing I had a little nibble i suppose. I await the verbal diarrhea from daily mail readers.
[quote][p][bold]piaggio1[/bold] wrote: Ahh. Love it . When communism/ socialism.( far too many ism.s) .fails its called......... ......er fascist....[/p][/quote]I love it when right wingers call left wingers err Communist. Capitalism is really working well isn't it, let me see USA and UK have borrowed money from where? ahh yes CHINA a communist country. well keep fishing I had a little nibble i suppose. I await the verbal diarrhea from daily mail readers. asd
  • Score: 55

3:31pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Rosieposie says...

You cannot get food bank food unless you are referred. SO if you choose not to donate to the food banks, well thats up to you, I do because not everyone is a s fortunate as I am, I am not a left winger, right winger or anything in between and I am not religious however I do have a basic care for my fellow man and if I choose to add a few items from my shopping into the food bank thats up to me. Its not coming from your money is it?
You cannot get food bank food unless you are referred. SO if you choose not to donate to the food banks, well thats up to you, I do because not everyone is a s fortunate as I am, I am not a left winger, right winger or anything in between and I am not religious however I do have a basic care for my fellow man and if I choose to add a few items from my shopping into the food bank thats up to me. Its not coming from your money is it? Rosieposie
  • Score: 33

3:46pm Mon 9 Jun 14

piaggio1 says...

Northern echo actually.and sometimes this publication.and what the hell has reading the dail mail got to do with it????.never bought it mesen.
Northern echo actually.and sometimes this publication.and what the hell has reading the dail mail got to do with it????.never bought it mesen. piaggio1
  • Score: -48

3:48pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Digeorge says...

I agree with some of the comments and the fact that you have been 'referred'. There are some very genuine cases but I wonder how many are truly 'genuine'. I understand about benefit cuts etc, loss of jobs but sometimes food comes first.

What I hate to see is somebody going without food genuinely in a modern day Britain, this should not happen and yet mountains of food wasted because of sell-buy dates.

However when they flash their mobile telephones and endless other things at you, it is hard to not be like Chissy1. They will have their Plasma TVs etc and Sky TV and play Internet etc….

We all need more jobs and a decent standard of living not minimum wage, child tax credits and low paid jobs, high cost of housing and poverty.
I agree with some of the comments and the fact that you have been 'referred'. There are some very genuine cases but I wonder how many are truly 'genuine'. I understand about benefit cuts etc, loss of jobs but sometimes food comes first. What I hate to see is somebody going without food genuinely in a modern day Britain, this should not happen and yet mountains of food wasted because of sell-buy dates. However when they flash their mobile telephones and endless other things at you, it is hard to not be like Chissy1. They will have their Plasma TVs etc and Sky TV and play Internet etc…. We all need more jobs and a decent standard of living not minimum wage, child tax credits and low paid jobs, high cost of housing and poverty. Digeorge
  • Score: 56

3:56pm Mon 9 Jun 14

anistasia says...

In this world of ours today various governments around the world suffering from austerity measures. here in the uk people have to choose to heat or eat have had benefits cut have to use food banks the government says benefit costs have to be capped and some reduced. they can't find money to help the living survive but can always find money to go to war.
In this world of ours today various governments around the world suffering from austerity measures. here in the uk people have to choose to heat or eat have had benefits cut have to use food banks the government says benefit costs have to be capped and some reduced. they can't find money to help the living survive but can always find money to go to war. anistasia
  • Score: 12

4:16pm Mon 9 Jun 14

The Great Buda says...

CommonSense!! wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
As one might have predicted, the Daily Mail rightwing firebrands out in force today. This neo-Calvinist "if you're suffering you deserve to" stuff really doesn't begin to address a very serious problem and is totally facile. There are more people in poverty who are working than there are who are unemployed. The problem is poor wages, zero hours "contracts" and too many people (though a small percentage of the population) who help themselves to a bigger chunk of the pie, while making those who work for them suffer.
Aha, the predictable communist replies begin.

If you're not getting a big enough chunk of pie compared to others you can either wallow in it and deem it unfair, or make sure you're one of the ones enjoying the big chunks. Unfortunately the former seems to be the way adopted by too many here in the UK, moaning about others having more than them instead of doing something about it and earning more.

But hey, you keep on with your dubious ideological Robin Hood politics, after all communism works a treat in Russia and North Korea doesn't it?
"the predictable communist replies begin"

and people wonder why this comments section is seen as a bad joke.....

I'm not a "communist", and my slice of the pie is bigger than many, what I am is sensible enough, and mature enough to understand that what Alf Garnett is saying is spot-on. You should try living up to your name, you're doing it a disservice.

All full time jobs should pay the living wage. Otherwise where is the incentive?
[quote][p][bold]CommonSense!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: As one might have predicted, the Daily Mail rightwing firebrands out in force today. This neo-Calvinist "if you're suffering you deserve to" stuff really doesn't begin to address a very serious problem and is totally facile. There are more people in poverty who are working than there are who are unemployed. The problem is poor wages, zero hours "contracts" and too many people (though a small percentage of the population) who help themselves to a bigger chunk of the pie, while making those who work for them suffer.[/p][/quote]Aha, the predictable communist replies begin. If you're not getting a big enough chunk of pie compared to others you can either wallow in it and deem it unfair, or make sure you're one of the ones enjoying the big chunks. Unfortunately the former seems to be the way adopted by too many here in the UK, moaning about others having more than them instead of doing something about it and earning more. But hey, you keep on with your dubious ideological Robin Hood politics, after all communism works a treat in Russia and North Korea doesn't it?[/p][/quote]"the predictable communist replies begin" and people wonder why this comments section is seen as a bad joke..... I'm not a "communist", and my slice of the pie is bigger than many, what I am is sensible enough, and mature enough to understand that what Alf Garnett is saying is spot-on. You should try living up to your name, you're doing it a disservice. All full time jobs should pay the living wage. Otherwise where is the incentive? The Great Buda
  • Score: 16

4:27pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Jonothon says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
I was watching a report on calendar the other week about food banks and it surprised me that they actually put it on the t.v. !!

all the people they interviewed using the food bank were like clearly not going hungry or enduring any kind of poverty at all, they had brand new track suits and clothes on and were rather obese!

poverty in this country is just left wing twaddle, nobody is going hungry or without anything!
If food banks are not needed, please explain why the following thinga are all happening simultaneously. Pawn shops are enjoying and all time boom (2 new ones in York alone thi I know of), Advice bureaus cannot cope with the debt related queries, wonga-style loan sharks are appearing in every high street up and down the country, and there are food bank Yet the Saveloy thinks there is no poverty crisis.
If Saveloy was right Wonga would be going skint, but it's not, it's making megabucks

Oh, I forgot, debt-related suicides are are at an all time high. I expect people are killing themselves just to make the Chancellor look bad.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: I was watching a report on calendar the other week about food banks and it surprised me that they actually put it on the t.v. !! all the people they interviewed using the food bank were like clearly not going hungry or enduring any kind of poverty at all, they had brand new track suits and clothes on and were rather obese! poverty in this country is just left wing twaddle, nobody is going hungry or without anything![/p][/quote]If food banks are not needed, please explain why the following thinga are all happening simultaneously. Pawn shops are enjoying and all time boom (2 new ones in York alone thi I know of), Advice bureaus cannot cope with the debt related queries, wonga-style loan sharks are appearing in every high street up and down the country, and there are food bank Yet the Saveloy thinks there is no poverty crisis. If Saveloy was right Wonga would be going skint, but it's not, it's making megabucks Oh, I forgot, debt-related suicides are are at an all time high. I expect people are killing themselves just to make the Chancellor look bad. Jonothon
  • Score: 63

5:04pm Mon 9 Jun 14

anistasia says...

I agree with some of the above comments but why should we suffer through austerity measures people have had benefits cut have to choose to heat or eat can't afford simple basic needs.yes the benefits system does need to be kept in check.what this means raising the minimum rate of pay so those working can have worry free living without having their wages topped up by benefits and funny like all governments make their own people suffer but find money to send abroad to help foreigners and money always found to go to war plus uk government giving the eu between £50&6000000 per day this money would be useful to people in our country.
I agree with some of the above comments but why should we suffer through austerity measures people have had benefits cut have to choose to heat or eat can't afford simple basic needs.yes the benefits system does need to be kept in check.what this means raising the minimum rate of pay so those working can have worry free living without having their wages topped up by benefits and funny like all governments make their own people suffer but find money to send abroad to help foreigners and money always found to go to war plus uk government giving the eu between £50&6000000 per day this money would be useful to people in our country. anistasia
  • Score: -43

5:55pm Mon 9 Jun 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Jonothon wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
I was watching a report on calendar the other week about food banks and it surprised me that they actually put it on the t.v. !!

all the people they interviewed using the food bank were like clearly not going hungry or enduring any kind of poverty at all, they had brand new track suits and clothes on and were rather obese!

poverty in this country is just left wing twaddle, nobody is going hungry or without anything!
If food banks are not needed, please explain why the following thinga are all happening simultaneously. Pawn shops are enjoying and all time boom (2 new ones in York alone thi I know of), Advice bureaus cannot cope with the debt related queries, wonga-style loan sharks are appearing in every high street up and down the country, and there are food bank Yet the Saveloy thinks there is no poverty crisis.
If Saveloy was right Wonga would be going skint, but it's not, it's making megabucks

Oh, I forgot, debt-related suicides are are at an all time high. I expect people are killing themselves just to make the Chancellor look bad.
and on queue, a left wing twaddler!

take your blinkers off and stop falling for the rubbish you gullible lot fall for!

go look in these pawn shop windows at the stuff they have, iPhones, xboxes, plasma t.v's etc etc!

Yawn!
[quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: I was watching a report on calendar the other week about food banks and it surprised me that they actually put it on the t.v. !! all the people they interviewed using the food bank were like clearly not going hungry or enduring any kind of poverty at all, they had brand new track suits and clothes on and were rather obese! poverty in this country is just left wing twaddle, nobody is going hungry or without anything![/p][/quote]If food banks are not needed, please explain why the following thinga are all happening simultaneously. Pawn shops are enjoying and all time boom (2 new ones in York alone thi I know of), Advice bureaus cannot cope with the debt related queries, wonga-style loan sharks are appearing in every high street up and down the country, and there are food bank Yet the Saveloy thinks there is no poverty crisis. If Saveloy was right Wonga would be going skint, but it's not, it's making megabucks Oh, I forgot, debt-related suicides are are at an all time high. I expect people are killing themselves just to make the Chancellor look bad.[/p][/quote]and on queue, a left wing twaddler! take your blinkers off and stop falling for the rubbish you gullible lot fall for! go look in these pawn shop windows at the stuff they have, iPhones, xboxes, plasma t.v's etc etc! Yawn! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -55

8:11pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
How many of those 6000 smoked,were regular boozers,were bone idle lazy scroungers and could not and would not get of their lazy backsides and help themselves.
I feel so sorry for you. You don't even realise you're human.

You have persistently shown that you refuse to change but I genuinely hope that one day you might open your eyes.

Poor you. And those you know. Good luck.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: How many of those 6000 smoked,were regular boozers,were bone idle lazy scroungers and could not and would not get of their lazy backsides and help themselves.[/p][/quote]I feel so sorry for you. You don't even realise you're human. You have persistently shown that you refuse to change but I genuinely hope that one day you might open your eyes. Poor you. And those you know. Good luck. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 61

8:11pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

#dichotomy
#dichotomy Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 74

9:09pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Thecynic says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
Jonothon wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
I was watching a report on calendar the other week about food banks and it surprised me that they actually put it on the t.v. !!

all the people they interviewed using the food bank were like clearly not going hungry or enduring any kind of poverty at all, they had brand new track suits and clothes on and were rather obese!

poverty in this country is just left wing twaddle, nobody is going hungry or without anything!
If food banks are not needed, please explain why the following thinga are all happening simultaneously. Pawn shops are enjoying and all time boom (2 new ones in York alone thi I know of), Advice bureaus cannot cope with the debt related queries, wonga-style loan sharks are appearing in every high street up and down the country, and there are food bank Yet the Saveloy thinks there is no poverty crisis.
If Saveloy was right Wonga would be going skint, but it's not, it's making megabucks

Oh, I forgot, debt-related suicides are are at an all time high. I expect people are killing themselves just to make the Chancellor look bad.
and on queue, a left wing twaddler!

take your blinkers off and stop falling for the rubbish you gullible lot fall for!

go look in these pawn shop windows at the stuff they have, iPhones, xboxes, plasma t.v's etc etc!

Yawn!
Have you ever considered that these high value items such as plasma TV's etc may have been pawned by perfectly respectable hard working people who just happened to have lost their jobs, or had the misfortune to be struck with some long term illness?
When someone loses their income like that they have to 'tighten their belts', in most cases there will be zero money coming in for at least a month while any unemployment or sick pay is processed. Do you not think it feasable that these goods may just come to be on sale in the pawn shops as a result of that, rather than some lazy unemployed so-and-so pawning them? To be honest most unemployed people would probably sell anything of high value like that privately by word of mouth, because they would get a better price than that which the pawn shop would give.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: I was watching a report on calendar the other week about food banks and it surprised me that they actually put it on the t.v. !! all the people they interviewed using the food bank were like clearly not going hungry or enduring any kind of poverty at all, they had brand new track suits and clothes on and were rather obese! poverty in this country is just left wing twaddle, nobody is going hungry or without anything![/p][/quote]If food banks are not needed, please explain why the following thinga are all happening simultaneously. Pawn shops are enjoying and all time boom (2 new ones in York alone thi I know of), Advice bureaus cannot cope with the debt related queries, wonga-style loan sharks are appearing in every high street up and down the country, and there are food bank Yet the Saveloy thinks there is no poverty crisis. If Saveloy was right Wonga would be going skint, but it's not, it's making megabucks Oh, I forgot, debt-related suicides are are at an all time high. I expect people are killing themselves just to make the Chancellor look bad.[/p][/quote]and on queue, a left wing twaddler! take your blinkers off and stop falling for the rubbish you gullible lot fall for! go look in these pawn shop windows at the stuff they have, iPhones, xboxes, plasma t.v's etc etc! Yawn![/p][/quote]Have you ever considered that these high value items such as plasma TV's etc may have been pawned by perfectly respectable hard working people who just happened to have lost their jobs, or had the misfortune to be struck with some long term illness? When someone loses their income like that they have to 'tighten their belts', in most cases there will be zero money coming in for at least a month while any unemployment or sick pay is processed. Do you not think it feasable that these goods may just come to be on sale in the pawn shops as a result of that, rather than some lazy unemployed so-and-so pawning them? To be honest most unemployed people would probably sell anything of high value like that privately by word of mouth, because they would get a better price than that which the pawn shop would give. Thecynic
  • Score: 53

9:46pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Jack Ham says...

Food Banks meet an essential need. In my opinion The problem is that they have been hijacked by left wing politicians wanting publicity and religious organisation that prey on the vulnerable.

For that reason I have no faith in the stories I read, the grimacing photos of
politicians or lecturing on poverty from church groups with billions in the bank.
Food Banks meet an essential need. In my opinion The problem is that they have been hijacked by left wing politicians wanting publicity and religious organisation that prey on the vulnerable. For that reason I have no faith in the stories I read, the grimacing photos of politicians or lecturing on poverty from church groups with billions in the bank. Jack Ham
  • Score: -60

10:12pm Mon 9 Jun 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Thecynic wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
Jonothon wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
I was watching a report on calendar the other week about food banks and it surprised me that they actually put it on the t.v. !!

all the people they interviewed using the food bank were like clearly not going hungry or enduring any kind of poverty at all, they had brand new track suits and clothes on and were rather obese!

poverty in this country is just left wing twaddle, nobody is going hungry or without anything!
If food banks are not needed, please explain why the following thinga are all happening simultaneously. Pawn shops are enjoying and all time boom (2 new ones in York alone thi I know of), Advice bureaus cannot cope with the debt related queries, wonga-style loan sharks are appearing in every high street up and down the country, and there are food bank Yet the Saveloy thinks there is no poverty crisis.
If Saveloy was right Wonga would be going skint, but it's not, it's making megabucks

Oh, I forgot, debt-related suicides are are at an all time high. I expect people are killing themselves just to make the Chancellor look bad.
and on queue, a left wing twaddler!

take your blinkers off and stop falling for the rubbish you gullible lot fall for!

go look in these pawn shop windows at the stuff they have, iPhones, xboxes, plasma t.v's etc etc!

Yawn!
Have you ever considered that these high value items such as plasma TV's etc may have been pawned by perfectly respectable hard working people who just happened to have lost their jobs, or had the misfortune to be struck with some long term illness?
When someone loses their income like that they have to 'tighten their belts', in most cases there will be zero money coming in for at least a month while any unemployment or sick pay is processed. Do you not think it feasable that these goods may just come to be on sale in the pawn shops as a result of that, rather than some lazy unemployed so-and-so pawning them? To be honest most unemployed people would probably sell anything of high value like that privately by word of mouth, because they would get a better price than that which the pawn shop would give.
no, never considered it ever!
[quote][p][bold]Thecynic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: I was watching a report on calendar the other week about food banks and it surprised me that they actually put it on the t.v. !! all the people they interviewed using the food bank were like clearly not going hungry or enduring any kind of poverty at all, they had brand new track suits and clothes on and were rather obese! poverty in this country is just left wing twaddle, nobody is going hungry or without anything![/p][/quote]If food banks are not needed, please explain why the following thinga are all happening simultaneously. Pawn shops are enjoying and all time boom (2 new ones in York alone thi I know of), Advice bureaus cannot cope with the debt related queries, wonga-style loan sharks are appearing in every high street up and down the country, and there are food bank Yet the Saveloy thinks there is no poverty crisis. If Saveloy was right Wonga would be going skint, but it's not, it's making megabucks Oh, I forgot, debt-related suicides are are at an all time high. I expect people are killing themselves just to make the Chancellor look bad.[/p][/quote]and on queue, a left wing twaddler! take your blinkers off and stop falling for the rubbish you gullible lot fall for! go look in these pawn shop windows at the stuff they have, iPhones, xboxes, plasma t.v's etc etc! Yawn![/p][/quote]Have you ever considered that these high value items such as plasma TV's etc may have been pawned by perfectly respectable hard working people who just happened to have lost their jobs, or had the misfortune to be struck with some long term illness? When someone loses their income like that they have to 'tighten their belts', in most cases there will be zero money coming in for at least a month while any unemployment or sick pay is processed. Do you not think it feasable that these goods may just come to be on sale in the pawn shops as a result of that, rather than some lazy unemployed so-and-so pawning them? To be honest most unemployed people would probably sell anything of high value like that privately by word of mouth, because they would get a better price than that which the pawn shop would give.[/p][/quote]no, never considered it ever! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -56

11:34pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Ziggytad says...

I must agree, the idea of food banks in this country in the 21st century is enough to make you shudder. Wonder some time if good old fashioned cookery lessons wouldn't go a miss, with cheap basic ingredients, that are readily available.
I must agree, the idea of food banks in this country in the 21st century is enough to make you shudder. Wonder some time if good old fashioned cookery lessons wouldn't go a miss, with cheap basic ingredients, that are readily available. Ziggytad
  • Score: 9

1:01am Tue 10 Jun 14

jumbojet says...

Ziggytad wrote:
I must agree, the idea of food banks in this country in the 21st century is enough to make you shudder. Wonder some time if good old fashioned cookery lessons wouldn't go a miss, with cheap basic ingredients, that are readily available.
Have you not watched any TV programmes recently? every time you switch the machine on, someone is giving a cookery lesson, even with a VW Campervan touring the country, the programme is about cooking. I, and many others, are sick of cooks/chefs/foreign experts,and everything to do with cooking, give it a rest.
[quote][p][bold]Ziggytad[/bold] wrote: I must agree, the idea of food banks in this country in the 21st century is enough to make you shudder. Wonder some time if good old fashioned cookery lessons wouldn't go a miss, with cheap basic ingredients, that are readily available.[/p][/quote]Have you not watched any TV programmes recently? every time you switch the machine on, someone is giving a cookery lesson, even with a VW Campervan touring the country, the programme is about cooking. I, and many others, are sick of cooks/chefs/foreign experts,and everything to do with cooking, give it a rest. jumbojet
  • Score: 2

8:33am Tue 10 Jun 14

YorkPatrol says...

Rosieposie wrote:
You cannot get food bank food unless you are referred. SO if you choose not to donate to the food banks, well thats up to you, I do because not everyone is a s fortunate as I am, I am not a left winger, right winger or anything in between and I am not religious however I do have a basic care for my fellow man and if I choose to add a few items from my shopping into the food bank thats up to me. Its not coming from your money is it?
What is the criteria for being referred?

Unless a strict policy is in place the system is open to abuse. For example, should you be referred if you deem yourself in poverty yet smoke twenty a day or drink 8 Ace when the money spent on such luxuries could be spent on basic essentials? The same applies to mobile phones, Sky TV etc… The reason people mention these things is because it does happen. The majority don’t even know the meaning of the word poverty hence the upset, then of course there’s those who believe the country owes them a living…..the “poor me” brigade.

I’m all for charitable causes but when you see someone in a food bank queue smoking Marlboro, drinking Smirnoff black, carrying 6 Happy Meals, 30 scratch cards, an LED TV under their arm and Sky dish on their head you know something is wrong
[quote][p][bold]Rosieposie[/bold] wrote: You cannot get food bank food unless you are referred. SO if you choose not to donate to the food banks, well thats up to you, I do because not everyone is a s fortunate as I am, I am not a left winger, right winger or anything in between and I am not religious however I do have a basic care for my fellow man and if I choose to add a few items from my shopping into the food bank thats up to me. Its not coming from your money is it?[/p][/quote]What is the criteria for being referred? Unless a strict policy is in place the system is open to abuse. For example, should you be referred if you deem yourself in poverty yet smoke twenty a day or drink 8 Ace when the money spent on such luxuries could be spent on basic essentials? The same applies to mobile phones, Sky TV etc… The reason people mention these things is because it does happen. The majority don’t even know the meaning of the word poverty hence the upset, then of course there’s those who believe the country owes them a living…..the “poor me” brigade. I’m all for charitable causes but when you see someone in a food bank queue smoking Marlboro, drinking Smirnoff black, carrying 6 Happy Meals, 30 scratch cards, an LED TV under their arm and Sky dish on their head you know something is wrong YorkPatrol
  • Score: -60

10:38am Tue 10 Jun 14

Thecynic says...

I must agree (in part) with what YorkPatrol says above. Though I know that there is strict criterea involved in the decision making process to allow someone access to foodbanks. (several local unemployed people have tried, and failed to get access to foodbanks)
It is also hard to justify when someone who is receiving benefits, (irrespective of the benefit) then spends it on booze, cigs and a sky TV package. (I include working people in my comment who may receive benefit top-ups for being low earners etc.) Anyone who receives ANY benefit should not be spending money on luxury items. If they are working and receiving benefit top-ups, then spending money on luxury's, then they don't need their benefit top-up!
However, as part of the governments roll out of new guidelines for receiving job seekers allowance, the Government, (DWP) insist that you are 'contactable' at all times so that prospective employers can offer you employment. This means that in effect most people would need to have a phone of some sort, being that a mobile phone, (if used wisely) is usually cheaper than a landline and offers a greater chance of contactability, then having a mobile phone is not really classable as a luxury. Those who do have smart phones etc. May well have aquired them when they were in a better financial position due to working etc. so as such their phone cost them nothing to purchase, only to maintain via a contract, but again many contracts nowadays are far cheaper than having to pay line rental to BT for a landline, and with the added bonus of 'free calls' etc. thrown into the bargain.
Another point to consider is computers and internet connection. gain the Government (DWP) insists that all jobseekers spend time every day online searching for jobs. This job search takes place through an account on their own website, as such all time and searches as well as jobs applied for are logged by their computers and are viewed when the jobseeker visits to sign for their benefit every two weeks.
So in essense the Government (DWP) are also virtually insisting that all unemployed people have a computer and internet access, so again this shouldn't be classed as a luxury. Although computer and internet access is available free from many libraries, there is a limited number of computers available, the time allowed is limited and may not be enough to satisfy DWP, most local libraries are closed for one day mid-week and definately closed on sundays, bank holidays etc. therefore relying on them for the purposes of satisfying the criterea of receiving job seekers allowance is not really practical.
In conclusion: the government want to tighten the screws down of those in receipt of benefits, but at the same time they introduce legislation that forces them to spend more by way of having them to have items that others consider luxuries in order to be able to receive their benefits.
BTW I am not on JSA I speak from experience obtained a couple of years back when the system was introduced, and I was temporarily unemployed.
I must agree (in part) with what YorkPatrol says above. Though I know that there is strict criterea involved in the decision making process to allow someone access to foodbanks. (several local unemployed people have tried, and failed to get access to foodbanks) It is also hard to justify when someone who is receiving benefits, (irrespective of the benefit) then spends it on booze, cigs and a sky TV package. (I include working people in my comment who may receive benefit top-ups for being low earners etc.) Anyone who receives ANY benefit should not be spending money on luxury items. If they are working and receiving benefit top-ups, then spending money on luxury's, then they don't need their benefit top-up! However, as part of the governments roll out of new guidelines for receiving job seekers allowance, the Government, (DWP) insist that you are 'contactable' at all times so that prospective employers can offer you employment. This means that in effect most people would need to have a phone of some sort, being that a mobile phone, (if used wisely) is usually cheaper than a landline and offers a greater chance of contactability, then having a mobile phone is not really classable as a luxury. Those who do have smart phones etc. May well have aquired them when they were in a better financial position due to working etc. so as such their phone cost them nothing to purchase, only to maintain via a contract, but again many contracts nowadays are far cheaper than having to pay line rental to BT for a landline, and with the added bonus of 'free calls' etc. thrown into the bargain. Another point to consider is computers and internet connection. gain the Government (DWP) insists that all jobseekers spend time every day online searching for jobs. This job search takes place through an account on their own website, as such all time and searches as well as jobs applied for are logged by their computers and are viewed when the jobseeker visits to sign for their benefit every two weeks. So in essense the Government (DWP) are also virtually insisting that all unemployed people have a computer and internet access, so again this shouldn't be classed as a luxury. Although computer and internet access is available free from many libraries, there is a limited number of computers available, the time allowed is limited and may not be enough to satisfy DWP, most local libraries are closed for one day mid-week and definately closed on sundays, bank holidays etc. therefore relying on them for the purposes of satisfying the criterea of receiving job seekers allowance is not really practical. In conclusion: the government want to tighten the screws down of those in receipt of benefits, but at the same time they introduce legislation that forces them to spend more by way of having them to have items that others consider luxuries in order to be able to receive their benefits. BTW I am not on JSA I speak from experience obtained a couple of years back when the system was introduced, and I was temporarily unemployed. Thecynic
  • Score: -9

12:59pm Tue 10 Jun 14

ReginaldBiscuit says...

There really are some bitter human beings about. The type of individuals who ply hatred and ill-feeling towards the poor and worst -off in your society cannot be educated. There's really no point arguing with them or paying any heed to the written bile and drivel they espouse.

Want to have a go at someone? Have a swipe at the banks who've wrecked the rest of the earth and your country with reckless lending and irresponsible practice. Bizarrely enough, they continue to be allowed to do just that unchallenged and unrestricted. If the wealth was shared about a bit more evenly, there wouldn't be a need for food-banks. You have an unregulated distorted press which places blame at the door of pre-conceived stereotypes, immigrants, the poor, those not able to defend themselves. The Nazi regime started in such a way and that was unpleasant enough to watch at first-hand. Apes just don't learn, you're anything but civilised. The same demonisation of groups and races is happening again as it always has. I can only but sit back and observe the continuing stupidity with amazement.
There really are some bitter human beings about. The type of individuals who ply hatred and ill-feeling towards the poor and worst -off in your society cannot be educated. There's really no point arguing with them or paying any heed to the written bile and drivel they espouse. Want to have a go at someone? Have a swipe at the banks who've wrecked the rest of the earth and your country with reckless lending and irresponsible practice. Bizarrely enough, they continue to be allowed to do just that unchallenged and unrestricted. If the wealth was shared about a bit more evenly, there wouldn't be a need for food-banks. You have an unregulated distorted press which places blame at the door of pre-conceived stereotypes, immigrants, the poor, those not able to defend themselves. The Nazi regime started in such a way and that was unpleasant enough to watch at first-hand. Apes just don't learn, you're anything but civilised. The same demonisation of groups and races is happening again as it always has. I can only but sit back and observe the continuing stupidity with amazement. ReginaldBiscuit
  • Score: 4

2:05pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Sillybillies says...

ReginaldBiscuit wrote:
There really are some bitter human beings about. The type of individuals who ply hatred and ill-feeling towards the poor and worst -off in your society cannot be educated. There's really no point arguing with them or paying any heed to the written bile and drivel they espouse.

Want to have a go at someone? Have a swipe at the banks who've wrecked the rest of the earth and your country with reckless lending and irresponsible practice. Bizarrely enough, they continue to be allowed to do just that unchallenged and unrestricted. If the wealth was shared about a bit more evenly, there wouldn't be a need for food-banks. You have an unregulated distorted press which places blame at the door of pre-conceived stereotypes, immigrants, the poor, those not able to defend themselves. The Nazi regime started in such a way and that was unpleasant enough to watch at first-hand. Apes just don't learn, you're anything but civilised. The same demonisation of groups and races is happening again as it always has. I can only but sit back and observe the continuing stupidity with amazement.
Godwin's law strikes again.
[quote][p][bold]ReginaldBiscuit[/bold] wrote: There really are some bitter human beings about. The type of individuals who ply hatred and ill-feeling towards the poor and worst -off in your society cannot be educated. There's really no point arguing with them or paying any heed to the written bile and drivel they espouse. Want to have a go at someone? Have a swipe at the banks who've wrecked the rest of the earth and your country with reckless lending and irresponsible practice. Bizarrely enough, they continue to be allowed to do just that unchallenged and unrestricted. If the wealth was shared about a bit more evenly, there wouldn't be a need for food-banks. You have an unregulated distorted press which places blame at the door of pre-conceived stereotypes, immigrants, the poor, those not able to defend themselves. The Nazi regime started in such a way and that was unpleasant enough to watch at first-hand. Apes just don't learn, you're anything but civilised. The same demonisation of groups and races is happening again as it always has. I can only but sit back and observe the continuing stupidity with amazement.[/p][/quote]Godwin's law strikes again. Sillybillies
  • Score: -5

3:19pm Tue 10 Jun 14

YorkPatrol says...

Sillybillies wrote:
ReginaldBiscuit wrote: There really are some bitter human beings about. The type of individuals who ply hatred and ill-feeling towards the poor and worst -off in your society cannot be educated. There's really no point arguing with them or paying any heed to the written bile and drivel they espouse. Want to have a go at someone? Have a swipe at the banks who've wrecked the rest of the earth and your country with reckless lending and irresponsible practice. Bizarrely enough, they continue to be allowed to do just that unchallenged and unrestricted. If the wealth was shared about a bit more evenly, there wouldn't be a need for food-banks. You have an unregulated distorted press which places blame at the door of pre-conceived stereotypes, immigrants, the poor, those not able to defend themselves. The Nazi regime started in such a way and that was unpleasant enough to watch at first-hand. Apes just don't learn, you're anything but civilised. The same demonisation of groups and races is happening again as it always has. I can only but sit back and observe the continuing stupidity with amazement.
Godwin's law strikes again.
Yes, it's all the banks fault, let's blame the banks - no one else just the banks... always someone else fault

now give me some food, the banks owe me
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReginaldBiscuit[/bold] wrote: There really are some bitter human beings about. The type of individuals who ply hatred and ill-feeling towards the poor and worst -off in your society cannot be educated. There's really no point arguing with them or paying any heed to the written bile and drivel they espouse. Want to have a go at someone? Have a swipe at the banks who've wrecked the rest of the earth and your country with reckless lending and irresponsible practice. Bizarrely enough, they continue to be allowed to do just that unchallenged and unrestricted. If the wealth was shared about a bit more evenly, there wouldn't be a need for food-banks. You have an unregulated distorted press which places blame at the door of pre-conceived stereotypes, immigrants, the poor, those not able to defend themselves. The Nazi regime started in such a way and that was unpleasant enough to watch at first-hand. Apes just don't learn, you're anything but civilised. The same demonisation of groups and races is happening again as it always has. I can only but sit back and observe the continuing stupidity with amazement.[/p][/quote]Godwin's law strikes again.[/p][/quote]Yes, it's all the banks fault, let's blame the banks - no one else just the banks... always someone else fault now give me some food, the banks owe me YorkPatrol
  • Score: -43

3:38pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Think I’ve read both sides of the argument so far.... personally I don’t like nor dislike them... But some do see it from a blinkered point of view.. i.e blame the banks and Wonga? Why? They do not force people to take the loan? The person taking it knows it has 10000% interest on it? And for banks, you know what the repayments are? If you do not have job security you take out payment protection etc. The person taking it out knows they can not afford it when they do it......

There was a study I read recently and the lowest earners spend the most money. Blaming it on being unfortunate etc has nothing to do with it in most cases. Don't get me wrong I have been unemployed in the past but during that time i never lived beyond my means. I log on here and all I see are jobs on the right hand side.... Some people just expect things to fall in their lap though. No one should be starving. Food banks solve this for people who are kinder them myself who give to them. But around York now I walk into the city centre and all I do is get hassled for money off the Red Cross, charities (which i do an annual sporting event to raise money for without signing up on dd) and beggars..... The more beggars i see the more I just think in modern society people just want everything for free or what they can't have. I mean one beggar had a mobile phone and new clothes in his bag.... (I read top beggars can earn up to 40k per year in cities)

The underlying rule still applies to everyone in society, live within your means... don’t smoke if you can't afford it.... don’t go to bright house and get a new TV to watch jezza on and don’t take out a Wonga loan for a new shell suit....
Think I’ve read both sides of the argument so far.... personally I don’t like nor dislike them... But some do see it from a blinkered point of view.. i.e blame the banks and Wonga? Why? They do not force people to take the loan? The person taking it knows it has 10000% interest on it? And for banks, you know what the repayments are? If you do not have job security you take out payment protection etc. The person taking it out knows they can not afford it when they do it...... There was a study I read recently and the lowest earners spend the most money. Blaming it on being unfortunate etc has nothing to do with it in most cases. Don't get me wrong I have been unemployed in the past but during that time i never lived beyond my means. I log on here and all I see are jobs on the right hand side.... Some people just expect things to fall in their lap though. No one should be starving. Food banks solve this for people who are kinder them myself who give to them. But around York now I walk into the city centre and all I do is get hassled for money off the Red Cross, charities (which i do an annual sporting event to raise money for without signing up on dd) and beggars..... The more beggars i see the more I just think in modern society people just want everything for free or what they can't have. I mean one beggar had a mobile phone and new clothes in his bag.... (I read top beggars can earn up to 40k per year in cities) The underlying rule still applies to everyone in society, live within your means... don’t smoke if you can't afford it.... don’t go to bright house and get a new TV to watch jezza on and don’t take out a Wonga loan for a new shell suit.... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -50

6:22pm Sun 15 Jun 14

CaroleBaines says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Think I’ve read both sides of the argument so far.... personally I don’t like nor dislike them... But some do see it from a blinkered point of view.. i.e blame the banks and Wonga? Why? They do not force people to take the loan? The person taking it knows it has 10000% interest on it? And for banks, you know what the repayments are? If you do not have job security you take out payment protection etc. The person taking it out knows they can not afford it when they do it......

There was a study I read recently and the lowest earners spend the most money. Blaming it on being unfortunate etc has nothing to do with it in most cases. Don't get me wrong I have been unemployed in the past but during that time i never lived beyond my means. I log on here and all I see are jobs on the right hand side.... Some people just expect things to fall in their lap though. No one should be starving. Food banks solve this for people who are kinder them myself who give to them. But around York now I walk into the city centre and all I do is get hassled for money off the Red Cross, charities (which i do an annual sporting event to raise money for without signing up on dd) and beggars..... The more beggars i see the more I just think in modern society people just want everything for free or what they can't have. I mean one beggar had a mobile phone and new clothes in his bag.... (I read top beggars can earn up to 40k per year in cities)

The underlying rule still applies to everyone in society, live within your means... don’t smoke if you can't afford it.... don’t go to bright house and get a new TV to watch jezza on and don’t take out a Wonga loan for a new shell suit....
Its not about 'forcing people to take loans' - its about ignoring investment rules, hedge fund 'betting', over-leveraging and basically taking huge risks with other people's money. If the banks were run so well, tell me why enormous amounts of taxpayers money was required to bail them out?
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: Think I’ve read both sides of the argument so far.... personally I don’t like nor dislike them... But some do see it from a blinkered point of view.. i.e blame the banks and Wonga? Why? They do not force people to take the loan? The person taking it knows it has 10000% interest on it? And for banks, you know what the repayments are? If you do not have job security you take out payment protection etc. The person taking it out knows they can not afford it when they do it...... There was a study I read recently and the lowest earners spend the most money. Blaming it on being unfortunate etc has nothing to do with it in most cases. Don't get me wrong I have been unemployed in the past but during that time i never lived beyond my means. I log on here and all I see are jobs on the right hand side.... Some people just expect things to fall in their lap though. No one should be starving. Food banks solve this for people who are kinder them myself who give to them. But around York now I walk into the city centre and all I do is get hassled for money off the Red Cross, charities (which i do an annual sporting event to raise money for without signing up on dd) and beggars..... The more beggars i see the more I just think in modern society people just want everything for free or what they can't have. I mean one beggar had a mobile phone and new clothes in his bag.... (I read top beggars can earn up to 40k per year in cities) The underlying rule still applies to everyone in society, live within your means... don’t smoke if you can't afford it.... don’t go to bright house and get a new TV to watch jezza on and don’t take out a Wonga loan for a new shell suit....[/p][/quote]Its not about 'forcing people to take loans' - its about ignoring investment rules, hedge fund 'betting', over-leveraging and basically taking huge risks with other people's money. If the banks were run so well, tell me why enormous amounts of taxpayers money was required to bail them out? CaroleBaines
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