York boasts one of UK’s ‘fastest’ rush-hours

York boasts one of UK’s ‘fastest’ rush-hours

York boasts one of UK’s ‘fastest’ rush-hours

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YORK has one of the fastest rush-hour rates in the country, according to a survey.

The fastest peak-period speed for motorists was in Peterborough, with an average speed of 19.25mph, followed by York at 17.64mph.

Cars crawl through central London at the slowest rush-hour rate at just 10.06mph in Westminster, analysis by Direct Line Drive Plus found.

Overall, the typical rush-hour slows traffic speeds in urban centres by an average of 3.6mph.

Although not recording the lowest average rush-hour speed, Canterbury took the unwanted accolade of the city most affected by peak-period traffic, with the rush hour adding almost 10 minutes to a normal 30-minute journey.

The next most-affected cities were St Albans in Hertfordshire where rush-hour drivers were likely to be delayed for 8.9 minutes and Worcester (8.6 minutes).

After Westminster, the slowest rush-hour speeds were to be found in Lancaster (10.88mph), Cambridge (11.30 mph) and Hereford (11.49mph). Among the quicker-moving rush-hour locations were Coventry, Chelmsford in Essex, Swansea, Stoke-on-Trent and Dundee.

Thursdays, rather than Mondays or Fridays, appeared to be the worst day for rush-hour congestion.

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8:20am Fri 6 Jun 14

tweedwarrior says...

Source of data please? Is this a survey of motorists' opinions, questions asked down the pub or a robust analysis of millions of collated journey times?
Source of data please? Is this a survey of motorists' opinions, questions asked down the pub or a robust analysis of millions of collated journey times? tweedwarrior
  • Score: -56

8:29am Fri 6 Jun 14

pedalling paul says...

No, it's a reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. Without this significant contribution, we would probably be languishing near the bottom of the rankings.
No, it's a reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. Without this significant contribution, we would probably be languishing near the bottom of the rankings. pedalling paul
  • Score: 350

8:31am Fri 6 Jun 14

notmyrealname says...

for an accurate result every road in York would have to be measured.
I travelled yesterday from Clifton Moor to Blossom street at 5pm yesterday ( about 2 miles i reckon ) and it took 45 minutes . Work that one out.
!
for an accurate result every road in York would have to be measured. I travelled yesterday from Clifton Moor to Blossom street at 5pm yesterday ( about 2 miles i reckon ) and it took 45 minutes . Work that one out. ! notmyrealname
  • Score: -18

8:40am Fri 6 Jun 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

pedalling paul wrote:
No, it's a reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. Without this significant contribution, we would probably be languishing near the bottom of the rankings.
a particularly obtuse remark here and apparently a complete contradiction of all your comments regarding road users
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: No, it's a reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. Without this significant contribution, we would probably be languishing near the bottom of the rankings.[/p][/quote]a particularly obtuse remark here and apparently a complete contradiction of all your comments regarding road users thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: -32

8:41am Fri 6 Jun 14

CaroleBaines says...

Compact city and city centre - lots of people use public transport and cycle. Just my guess. Its not our wonderful ring road is it!?
Compact city and city centre - lots of people use public transport and cycle. Just my guess. Its not our wonderful ring road is it!? CaroleBaines
  • Score: -46

8:45am Fri 6 Jun 14

GMuser says...

pedalling paul wrote:
No, it's a reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. Without this significant contribution, we would probably be languishing near the bottom of the rankings.
Quite frankly I view a lot of these posts and this comment from PP has finally confirmed just how one track mind he really has. It proves he really believes what he spouts........ to make the comment above is utter drivel and how can it be proven........ oh because PP says so!!!! And no doubt this post will end up mega negative...... have fun vote rigger.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: No, it's a reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. Without this significant contribution, we would probably be languishing near the bottom of the rankings.[/p][/quote]Quite frankly I view a lot of these posts and this comment from PP has finally confirmed just how one track mind he really has. It proves he really believes what he spouts........ to make the comment above is utter drivel and how can it be proven........ oh because PP says so!!!! And no doubt this post will end up mega negative...... have fun vote rigger. GMuser
  • Score: -32

9:00am Fri 6 Jun 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

The figures were obtained by analysing data gathered from almost three billion observations of speed and location during over 20 million miles driven by motorists across Britain using the Direct Line Drive Plus telematics policy.

Speed charts for traffic between 8am-9am and 4pm-6pm.

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Telematics 'BlackBox' insurance aimed at:

1. Inexperienced drivers.
2. Less frequent drivers with a low annual mileage.
3. Young drivers.

There are far too many variables for it to be taken seriously, and you would have to be desperate or off your rocker to suggest it's reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus.
The figures were obtained by analysing data gathered from almost three billion observations of speed and location during over 20 million miles driven by motorists across Britain using the Direct Line Drive Plus telematics policy. Speed charts for traffic between 8am-9am and 4pm-6pm. http://www.peterboro ughtoday.co.uk/news/ travel/latest-travel -news/peterborough-h as-fastest-rush-hour -in-britain-1-610242 7 Telematics 'BlackBox' insurance aimed at: 1. Inexperienced drivers. 2. Less frequent drivers with a low annual mileage. 3. Young drivers. There are far too many variables for it to be taken seriously, and you would have to be desperate or off your rocker to suggest it's reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -73

9:06am Fri 6 Jun 14

anistasia says...

Funny after all this controversy over the bridge closure York rush hour times are fast meaning people are getting through the city quicker and showing card on lendal is the rush hour shorter because the bridge is re opened.
Funny after all this controversy over the bridge closure York rush hour times are fast meaning people are getting through the city quicker and showing card on lendal is the rush hour shorter because the bridge is re opened. anistasia
  • Score: -91

9:12am Fri 6 Jun 14

pedalling paul says...

Believe it or not, I would very much like to see those who need to use a car eg blue badge holders, be able to readily do so, without being stuck behind those making short distance single occupancy car journeys, many of which could be easily made by other means.
Believe it or not, I would very much like to see those who need to use a car eg blue badge holders, be able to readily do so, without being stuck behind those making short distance single occupancy car journeys, many of which could be easily made by other means. pedalling paul
  • Score: 26

9:26am Fri 6 Jun 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Believe it or not, I would very much like to see those who need to use a car eg blue badge holders, be able to readily do so, without being stuck behind those making short distance single occupancy car journeys, many of which could be easily made by other means.
It's funny you don't sound like you want people who need to use a car to be able to.
But I suspect as this comment suggests, that you only think that people like blue badge holders need to drive cars, whereas back in the real world where the other people live that is obviously not true...
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Believe it or not, I would very much like to see those who need to use a car eg blue badge holders, be able to readily do so, without being stuck behind those making short distance single occupancy car journeys, many of which could be easily made by other means.[/p][/quote]It's funny you don't sound like you want people who need to use a car to be able to. But I suspect as this comment suggests, that you only think that people like blue badge holders need to drive cars, whereas back in the real world where the other people live that is obviously not true... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -62

9:34am Fri 6 Jun 14

smudge2 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Believe it or not, I would very much like to see those who need to use a car eg blue badge holders, be able to readily do so, without being stuck behind those making short distance single occupancy car journeys, many of which could be easily made by other means.
Are you winding York residents up again Mr Hepworth ???
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Believe it or not, I would very much like to see those who need to use a car eg blue badge holders, be able to readily do so, without being stuck behind those making short distance single occupancy car journeys, many of which could be easily made by other means.[/p][/quote]Are you winding York residents up again Mr Hepworth ??? smudge2
  • Score: -121

10:02am Fri 6 Jun 14

inthesticks says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Believe it or not, I would very much like to see those who need to use a car eg blue badge holders, be able to readily do so, without being stuck behind those making short distance single occupancy car journeys, many of which could be easily made by other means.
No they couldn`t, talking **** as usual.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Believe it or not, I would very much like to see those who need to use a car eg blue badge holders, be able to readily do so, without being stuck behind those making short distance single occupancy car journeys, many of which could be easily made by other means.[/p][/quote]No they couldn`t, talking **** as usual. inthesticks
  • Score: -152

10:02am Fri 6 Jun 14

Justin7 says...

I see Peddling Paul has worked out the voting exploit on the comment section! :D
I see Peddling Paul has worked out the voting exploit on the comment section! :D Justin7
  • Score: -50

10:04am Fri 6 Jun 14

sensibleyorkresident says...

notmyrealname wrote:
for an accurate result every road in York would have to be measured.
I travelled yesterday from Clifton Moor to Blossom street at 5pm yesterday ( about 2 miles i reckon ) and it took 45 minutes . Work that one out.
!
2.67mph.

***BREAKING NEWS****- Shock news as statistic doesn't match up exactly to personal experience. Foundations of science rocked! Stephen Hawking to comment later.
[quote][p][bold]notmyrealname[/bold] wrote: for an accurate result every road in York would have to be measured. I travelled yesterday from Clifton Moor to Blossom street at 5pm yesterday ( about 2 miles i reckon ) and it took 45 minutes . Work that one out. ![/p][/quote]2.67mph. ***BREAKING NEWS****- Shock news as statistic doesn't match up exactly to personal experience. Foundations of science rocked! Stephen Hawking to comment later. sensibleyorkresident
  • Score: -31

10:06am Fri 6 Jun 14

pbrowne2009@live.co.uk says...

I sometimes wonder to myself, whats worse in York, the rush hour traffic, or the traffic management in place such as the traffic lights and the way they are set out and timed?
Every morning I see very few cars queuing down Clarence Street and down Gillygate, yet turn the corner and you have Bootham crammed from top to bottom at clifton green. And this is with lendal open so somewhere down the line there is a big problem. Poor traffic management OR......... people don't mind sitting in traffic. I'd personally cut through clifton and go past the hospital than sit in 1 mile of slow moving traffic. But that's just me.
I sometimes wonder to myself, whats worse in York, the rush hour traffic, or the traffic management in place such as the traffic lights and the way they are set out and timed? Every morning I see very few cars queuing down Clarence Street and down Gillygate, yet turn the corner and you have Bootham crammed from top to bottom at clifton green. And this is with lendal open so somewhere down the line there is a big problem. Poor traffic management OR......... people don't mind sitting in traffic. I'd personally cut through clifton and go past the hospital than sit in 1 mile of slow moving traffic. But that's just me. pbrowne2009@live.co.uk
  • Score: -70

10:14am Fri 6 Jun 14

inthesticks says...

Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.
Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego. inthesticks
  • Score: -68

10:26am Fri 6 Jun 14

the original Homer says...

The survey is skewed, because it is based on particular types of driver, and therefore particular types of route and time.

With some exceptions, most drivers with these black boxes will be young people who have just passed their tests. The commuters sat in the queues 5 days a week tend to be a bit older.

It doesn't take away the fact that York might actually be better than many other Cities (certainly better than Leeds where I used to commute), but it may mean the average speeds being quoted are artificially high (eg because many of the journeys recorded are not commutes and could be in the opposite direction to the queues).

I would say the average speed of my last 2-3 miles in on a morning and my first 2-3 miles out on an evening is more like 10MPH. The 18MPH quoted doesn't fit with what I experience. Using rough figures, 4@ 20MPH for every 1@10MPH would give the 18MPH average though, so maybe that's the mix of the journeys with and against traffic?
The survey is skewed, because it is based on particular types of driver, and therefore particular types of route and time. With some exceptions, most drivers with these black boxes will be young people who have just passed their tests. The commuters sat in the queues 5 days a week tend to be a bit older. It doesn't take away the fact that York might actually be better than many other Cities (certainly better than Leeds where I used to commute), but it may mean the average speeds being quoted are artificially high (eg because many of the journeys recorded are not commutes and could be in the opposite direction to the queues). I would say the average speed of my last 2-3 miles in on a morning and my first 2-3 miles out on an evening is more like 10MPH. The 18MPH quoted doesn't fit with what I experience. Using rough figures, 4@ 20MPH for every 1@10MPH would give the 18MPH average though, so maybe that's the mix of the journeys with and against traffic? the original Homer
  • Score: -59

10:28am Fri 6 Jun 14

EborLAD says...

tweedwarrior wrote:
Source of data please? Is this a survey of motorists' opinions, questions asked down the pub or a robust analysis of millions of collated journey times?
Try reading it again pal, source of data is in there
[quote][p][bold]tweedwarrior[/bold] wrote: Source of data please? Is this a survey of motorists' opinions, questions asked down the pub or a robust analysis of millions of collated journey times?[/p][/quote]Try reading it again pal, source of data is in there EborLAD
  • Score: -18

11:25am Fri 6 Jun 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

So in summary drivers who are insured with direct line and have the safe driving chip installed, travel at around 17mph during peak hours....

So the headline should read direct line drivers avoid traffic jams at peak time.... If they surveyed them during peak time in peak traffic routes the stats would clearly be different.

In other news Paul contradicts his views yet again... well done Paul...
So in summary drivers who are insured with direct line and have the safe driving chip installed, travel at around 17mph during peak hours.... So the headline should read direct line drivers avoid traffic jams at peak time.... If they surveyed them during peak time in peak traffic routes the stats would clearly be different. In other news Paul contradicts his views yet again... well done Paul... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -32

11:43am Fri 6 Jun 14

emen says...

inthesticks wrote:
Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.
I couldn't agree more.

It is almost as if this roundabout was designed to cause additional congestion. I've also seen emergency vehicles stuck on the roundabout and can only hope that the delays didn't have tragic consequences. Unfortunately it looks like the new A59/A1237 will be almost as bad once it's finished.

In my opinion the only solution is to install peak time traffic lights. Or maybe do away with the roundabout altogether and have a simple traffic light controlled crossroads junction. Anything would be better than the current mess up.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more. It is almost as if this roundabout was designed to cause additional congestion. I've also seen emergency vehicles stuck on the roundabout and can only hope that the delays didn't have tragic consequences. Unfortunately it looks like the new A59/A1237 will be almost as bad once it's finished. In my opinion the only solution is to install peak time traffic lights. Or maybe do away with the roundabout altogether and have a simple traffic light controlled crossroads junction. Anything would be better than the current mess up. emen
  • Score: 11

12:13pm Fri 6 Jun 14

MouseHouse says...

Car drivers should be on their knees thanking the bus users, pedestrians and cyclists who make this happen. Don't forget those that may commute by river and those that work from home from time to time.
Car drivers should be on their knees thanking the bus users, pedestrians and cyclists who make this happen. Don't forget those that may commute by river and those that work from home from time to time. MouseHouse
  • Score: 30

12:16pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

emen wrote:
inthesticks wrote: Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.
I couldn't agree more. It is almost as if this roundabout was designed to cause additional congestion. I've also seen emergency vehicles stuck on the roundabout and can only hope that the delays didn't have tragic consequences. Unfortunately it looks like the new A59/A1237 will be almost as bad once it's finished. In my opinion the only solution is to install peak time traffic lights. Or maybe do away with the roundabout altogether and have a simple traffic light controlled crossroads junction. Anything would be better than the current mess up.
Well the 22.7m just spent on the p&r would have provided a good underpass solution to both problem roundabouts... traffic either flows under or joins the A1237.... but this council believes that if you make a round about bigger with more lanes it solves the problem for a fraction of the price.
[quote][p][bold]emen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more. It is almost as if this roundabout was designed to cause additional congestion. I've also seen emergency vehicles stuck on the roundabout and can only hope that the delays didn't have tragic consequences. Unfortunately it looks like the new A59/A1237 will be almost as bad once it's finished. In my opinion the only solution is to install peak time traffic lights. Or maybe do away with the roundabout altogether and have a simple traffic light controlled crossroads junction. Anything would be better than the current mess up.[/p][/quote]Well the 22.7m just spent on the p&r would have provided a good underpass solution to both problem roundabouts... traffic either flows under or joins the A1237.... but this council believes that if you make a round about bigger with more lanes it solves the problem for a fraction of the price. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -37

12:35pm Fri 6 Jun 14

eeoodares says...

tweedwarrior wrote:
Source of data please? Is this a survey of motorists' opinions, questions asked down the pub or a robust analysis of millions of collated journey times?
Try reading the article, its fairly clear: Direct Line Drive Plus.
[quote][p][bold]tweedwarrior[/bold] wrote: Source of data please? Is this a survey of motorists' opinions, questions asked down the pub or a robust analysis of millions of collated journey times?[/p][/quote]Try reading the article, its fairly clear: Direct Line Drive Plus. eeoodares
  • Score: -45

12:36pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Jim says...

My early morning commute times are:
Shipton Road Rawcliffe - A59 (2miles) 20 minutes
A59 - Leeds City Centre East (23miles) 35 minutes
My early morning commute times are: Shipton Road Rawcliffe - A59 (2miles) 20 minutes A59 - Leeds City Centre East (23miles) 35 minutes Jim
  • Score: -36

12:37pm Fri 6 Jun 14

eeoodares says...

notmyrealname wrote:
for an accurate result every road in York would have to be measured.
I travelled yesterday from Clifton Moor to Blossom street at 5pm yesterday ( about 2 miles i reckon ) and it took 45 minutes . Work that one out.
!
That is how the surveys are done using Direct Line Drive Plus. This will not necessarily reflect every journey on everyday that you as an individual experiences.
[quote][p][bold]notmyrealname[/bold] wrote: for an accurate result every road in York would have to be measured. I travelled yesterday from Clifton Moor to Blossom street at 5pm yesterday ( about 2 miles i reckon ) and it took 45 minutes . Work that one out. ![/p][/quote]That is how the surveys are done using Direct Line Drive Plus. This will not necessarily reflect every journey on everyday that you as an individual experiences. eeoodares
  • Score: -69

12:38pm Fri 6 Jun 14

eeoodares says...

pedalling paul wrote:
No, it's a reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. Without this significant contribution, we would probably be languishing near the bottom of the rankings.
Thanks for the input councillor, it contradicts all your previous posts but since when were Labour regarded as trustworthy, I see you have worked out how to fudge the stats again.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: No, it's a reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. Without this significant contribution, we would probably be languishing near the bottom of the rankings.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the input councillor, it contradicts all your previous posts but since when were Labour regarded as trustworthy, I see you have worked out how to fudge the stats again. eeoodares
  • Score: -119

12:53pm Fri 6 Jun 14

TheTruthHurts says...

inthesticks wrote:
Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.
And I have noticed in my travels that although the designers think its great, it causes a lot of issues. I'm not alone in not letting anyone cut in from the right hand lane as in my mind they are effectively pushing in whilst im waiting patiently.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.[/p][/quote]And I have noticed in my travels that although the designers think its great, it causes a lot of issues. I'm not alone in not letting anyone cut in from the right hand lane as in my mind they are effectively pushing in whilst im waiting patiently. TheTruthHurts
  • Score: -167

1:27pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

pedalling paul wrote:
No, it's a reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. Without this significant contribution, we would probably be languishing near the bottom of the rankings.
I've not been aware that Peterborough is renowned for its walking, cycling, car sharing, bus hopping residents. My pal Pedalling Pete from Peterborough says its 'cos they've got no cyclists, speed bumps, bus lanes, 20mph speed limits or bridge closures!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: No, it's a reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. Without this significant contribution, we would probably be languishing near the bottom of the rankings.[/p][/quote]I've not been aware that Peterborough is renowned for its walking, cycling, car sharing, bus hopping residents. My pal Pedalling Pete from Peterborough says its 'cos they've got no cyclists, speed bumps, bus lanes, 20mph speed limits or bridge closures! Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -99

1:44pm Fri 6 Jun 14

york_chap says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
inthesticks wrote: Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.
And I have noticed in my travels that although the designers think its great, it causes a lot of issues. I'm not alone in not letting anyone cut in from the right hand lane as in my mind they are effectively pushing in whilst im waiting patiently.
The design works fine when the traffic's free flowing and not nose to tail (apparently there are some times of the day when it isn't!) as it allows two lanes to exit the roundabout at once and faster vehicles can get past the HGV's/tractors etc before the single lane section begins.

It is a pain at busy times though. The trouble is that people just won't use it properly (that is, to use the full length of both lanes in roughly even numbers, then merge in turn). Instead, 90% of vehicles sit in the left hand lane while the right lane sits empty. This just makes the overall queue longer and causes more stationary traffic to back up onto the roundabout.

If and when the A59 roundabout is finished, the queues will hopefully ease at the A19 junction. I appreciate they'll just shift along the bypass to the Wetherby Road roundabout; but the A19 junction should be at least a bit better.
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.[/p][/quote]And I have noticed in my travels that although the designers think its great, it causes a lot of issues. I'm not alone in not letting anyone cut in from the right hand lane as in my mind they are effectively pushing in whilst im waiting patiently.[/p][/quote]The design works fine when the traffic's free flowing and not nose to tail (apparently there are some times of the day when it isn't!) as it allows two lanes to exit the roundabout at once and faster vehicles can get past the HGV's/tractors etc before the single lane section begins. It is a pain at busy times though. The trouble is that people just won't use it properly (that is, to use the full length of both lanes in roughly even numbers, then merge in turn). Instead, 90% of vehicles sit in the left hand lane while the right lane sits empty. This just makes the overall queue longer and causes more stationary traffic to back up onto the roundabout. If and when the A59 roundabout is finished, the queues will hopefully ease at the A19 junction. I appreciate they'll just shift along the bypass to the Wetherby Road roundabout; but the A19 junction should be at least a bit better. york_chap
  • Score: -89

2:14pm Fri 6 Jun 14

GMuser says...

GMuser wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
No, it's a reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. Without this significant contribution, we would probably be languishing near the bottom of the rankings.
Quite frankly I view a lot of these posts and this comment from PP has finally confirmed just how one track mind he really has. It proves he really believes what he spouts........ to make the comment above is utter drivel and how can it be proven........ oh because PP says so!!!! And no doubt this post will end up mega negative...... have fun vote rigger.
Hi After my note at 8.45 I only had an opportunity to view the 'score' at 9.00 as I had to go out to earn a living. What a surpise that with 15 minutes it had achieved -50...... thats a lot of visits in such a short space in time and as not all would have been negative it starts adding up to many people in a very short space of time OR SURPRISE SURPRISE someone 'playing' with the score card (Just look who was viewing around that time!!!).... The sooner this scoring box is removed the better...... and no hiding behind "National excuses or better still BAN the vote rigger from access to this facility... you know who it is!!!
[quote][p][bold]GMuser[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: No, it's a reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. Without this significant contribution, we would probably be languishing near the bottom of the rankings.[/p][/quote]Quite frankly I view a lot of these posts and this comment from PP has finally confirmed just how one track mind he really has. It proves he really believes what he spouts........ to make the comment above is utter drivel and how can it be proven........ oh because PP says so!!!! And no doubt this post will end up mega negative...... have fun vote rigger.[/p][/quote]Hi After my note at 8.45 I only had an opportunity to view the 'score' at 9.00 as I had to go out to earn a living. What a surpise that with 15 minutes it had achieved -50...... thats a lot of visits in such a short space in time and as not all would have been negative it starts adding up to many people in a very short space of time OR SURPRISE SURPRISE someone 'playing' with the score card (Just look who was viewing around that time!!!).... The sooner this scoring box is removed the better...... and no hiding behind "National excuses or better still BAN the vote rigger from access to this facility... you know who it is!!! GMuser
  • Score: 53

2:24pm Fri 6 Jun 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

The internet has a famous saying "Don't feed the troll". I know no-one is listening to this, but if we did the problem would go away...
The internet has a famous saying "Don't feed the troll". I know no-one is listening to this, but if we did the problem would go away... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: 65

4:11pm Fri 6 Jun 14

greenmonkey says...

Interesting comments about the new improved roundabouts! Just goes to show that doing anything short of full flyovers and dual carriageway is a waste of money. Since there isnt £350m going spare to do this, why do Lab, Lib Dems and Tories keep promising that they intend to improve the ring road and speed up the traffic? A bit of common sense of drivers willing to 'close up' or give way as appropriate when an ambulance is trying to get through would surely help? Having seen a 'lane' down the centre of Lendal Bridge appear for an ambulance with cars pulling over to the side its not rocket science!
Interesting comments about the new improved roundabouts! Just goes to show that doing anything short of full flyovers and dual carriageway is a waste of money. Since there isnt £350m going spare to do this, why do Lab, Lib Dems and Tories keep promising that they intend to improve the ring road and speed up the traffic? A bit of common sense of drivers willing to 'close up' or give way as appropriate when an ambulance is trying to get through would surely help? Having seen a 'lane' down the centre of Lendal Bridge appear for an ambulance with cars pulling over to the side its not rocket science! greenmonkey
  • Score: -48

6:21pm Fri 6 Jun 14

KevinWard59 says...

notmyrealname wrote:
for an accurate result every road in York would have to be measured.
I travelled yesterday from Clifton Moor to Blossom street at 5pm yesterday ( about 2 miles i reckon ) and it took 45 minutes . Work that one out.
!
you can measure distance walked/run using free program:-

http://gb.mapometer.
com/
[quote][p][bold]notmyrealname[/bold] wrote: for an accurate result every road in York would have to be measured. I travelled yesterday from Clifton Moor to Blossom street at 5pm yesterday ( about 2 miles i reckon ) and it took 45 minutes . Work that one out. ![/p][/quote]you can measure distance walked/run using free program:- http://gb.mapometer. com/ KevinWard59
  • Score: -75

6:29pm Fri 6 Jun 14

KevinWard59 says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
The figures were obtained by analysing data gathered from almost three billion observations of speed and location during over 20 million miles driven by motorists across Britain using the Direct Line Drive Plus telematics policy.

Speed charts for traffic between 8am-9am and 4pm-6pm.

http://www.peterboro

ughtoday.co.uk/news/

travel/latest-travel

-news/peterborough-h

as-fastest-rush-hour

-in-britain-1-610242

7

Telematics 'BlackBox' insurance aimed at:

1. Inexperienced drivers.
2. Less frequent drivers with a low annual mileage.
3. Young drivers.

There are far too many variables for it to be taken seriously, and you would have to be desperate or off your rocker to suggest it's reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus.
Wrong times to account for all the cyclists running red lights at Micklegate/Queen Street - usually 4 or 5 between 21:31 & 21:37; and 22:31 & 22:37 weekdays.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: The figures were obtained by analysing data gathered from almost three billion observations of speed and location during over 20 million miles driven by motorists across Britain using the Direct Line Drive Plus telematics policy. Speed charts for traffic between 8am-9am and 4pm-6pm. http://www.peterboro ughtoday.co.uk/news/ travel/latest-travel -news/peterborough-h as-fastest-rush-hour -in-britain-1-610242 7 Telematics 'BlackBox' insurance aimed at: 1. Inexperienced drivers. 2. Less frequent drivers with a low annual mileage. 3. Young drivers. There are far too many variables for it to be taken seriously, and you would have to be desperate or off your rocker to suggest it's reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus.[/p][/quote]Wrong times to account for all the cyclists running red lights at Micklegate/Queen Street - usually 4 or 5 between 21:31 & 21:37; and 22:31 & 22:37 weekdays. KevinWard59
  • Score: -57

6:34pm Fri 6 Jun 14

KevinWard59 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Believe it or not, I would very much like to see those who need to use a car eg blue badge holders, be able to readily do so, without being stuck behind those making short distance single occupancy car journeys, many of which could be easily made by other means.
Most "Single Occupancy Journeys" are employees travelling to work at Clifton Moor Phase I, II and III (latter 5000). Oh then Monks Cross & Vanguard - all around the A1237 hence needed dual at time of planning all the Retail Shopping and Industrial parks #ElementaryMathemati
cs
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Believe it or not, I would very much like to see those who need to use a car eg blue badge holders, be able to readily do so, without being stuck behind those making short distance single occupancy car journeys, many of which could be easily made by other means.[/p][/quote]Most "Single Occupancy Journeys" are employees travelling to work at Clifton Moor Phase I, II and III (latter 5000). Oh then Monks Cross & Vanguard - all around the A1237 hence needed dual at time of planning all the Retail Shopping and Industrial parks #ElementaryMathemati cs KevinWard59
  • Score: -63

6:40pm Fri 6 Jun 14

KevinWard59 says...

inthesticks wrote:
Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.
Lanes were changed to have left turn priority by CYC just after they adopted this section from The Department For Transport and it immediately resulted in the desired effect!
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.[/p][/quote]Lanes were changed to have left turn priority by CYC just after they adopted this section from The Department For Transport and it immediately resulted in the desired effect! KevinWard59
  • Score: -53

7:11pm Fri 6 Jun 14

pault42 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
No, it's a reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. Without this significant contribution, we would probably be languishing near the bottom of the rankings.
According to you. Your unshakeable beliefs and love of your bicycle worry me. I do hope the following isn't anything to do with you.

http://www.thesun.co
.uk/sol/homepage/vid
eo/news/4981942/Man-
filmed-having-sex-wi
th-a-bike.html

Anyway, sorry but you make your comments to antagonise, whatever the facts may show you will continue with your campaign. Luckily your beloved Labour Council won't be in power from next May and your little voice will shrink away.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: No, it's a reflection on the large numbers of residents who sensibly opt to walk, cycle, car share and hop on the bus. Without this significant contribution, we would probably be languishing near the bottom of the rankings.[/p][/quote]According to you. Your unshakeable beliefs and love of your bicycle worry me. I do hope the following isn't anything to do with you. http://www.thesun.co .uk/sol/homepage/vid eo/news/4981942/Man- filmed-having-sex-wi th-a-bike.html Anyway, sorry but you make your comments to antagonise, whatever the facts may show you will continue with your campaign. Luckily your beloved Labour Council won't be in power from next May and your little voice will shrink away. pault42
  • Score: -54

11:20pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Tricky Dickie says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.
And I have noticed in my travels that although the designers think its great, it causes a lot of issues. I'm not alone in not letting anyone cut in from the right hand lane as in my mind they are effectively pushing in whilst im waiting patiently.
Sadly TheTruthHurts, your approach to driving is more at fault than the design of this particular road section. The idea behind having a single line of traffic split in to two to cross a large roundabout, and then merge back into one stream in the following 200 metres is perfectly sound. If the traffic is doing 30 miles per hour around the ring road, and drops to 15 miles per hour to cross the roundabout, the capacity of the road is maintained as it merges and speeds up again.

However, as York_chap says, the bottleneck caused at the A59 roundabout causes the traffic to back up to the A19, which is then exacerbated by the diehard left-laners who don't seem to understand that both lanes have equal priority when they merge. Instead they sit there puce faced, staring straight head with white knuckled fury, 2 inches from the bumper of the car in front, with hair-trigger braking for fear that anybody should use the right hand lane for it's intended purpose and steal a march on them.

Arguably, the A59 roundabout should have been improved before the A19 one. The other thing the CYC should consider is fencing off the view from the top of the bridge over the river. Many of the delays are caused by rubberneckers gawping at the floods, sunrise, boats, Minster or anything else they can slow down and point at, instead of keeping their eyes on the road. If there's cash available, they could also think about hanging a dedicated pedestrian/cycle bridge off the side of the bridge and turning the road bridge into a 3 lane carriageway, with two lanes going west, and one going east (the Millfield roundabout doesn't slow the traffic eastbound as much as it does in the other direction). It wouldn't fix it forever but it would increase the capacity of the ring road until it inevitably has to be dualled to cope with the increased housing planned for the north side of the city.
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.[/p][/quote]And I have noticed in my travels that although the designers think its great, it causes a lot of issues. I'm not alone in not letting anyone cut in from the right hand lane as in my mind they are effectively pushing in whilst im waiting patiently.[/p][/quote]Sadly TheTruthHurts, your approach to driving is more at fault than the design of this particular road section. The idea behind having a single line of traffic split in to two to cross a large roundabout, and then merge back into one stream in the following 200 metres is perfectly sound. If the traffic is doing 30 miles per hour around the ring road, and drops to 15 miles per hour to cross the roundabout, the capacity of the road is maintained as it merges and speeds up again. However, as York_chap says, the bottleneck caused at the A59 roundabout causes the traffic to back up to the A19, which is then exacerbated by the diehard left-laners who don't seem to understand that both lanes have equal priority when they merge. Instead they sit there puce faced, staring straight head with white knuckled fury, 2 inches from the bumper of the car in front, with hair-trigger braking for fear that anybody should use the right hand lane for it's intended purpose and steal a march on them. Arguably, the A59 roundabout should have been improved before the A19 one. The other thing the CYC should consider is fencing off the view from the top of the bridge over the river. Many of the delays are caused by rubberneckers gawping at the floods, sunrise, boats, Minster or anything else they can slow down and point at, instead of keeping their eyes on the road. If there's cash available, they could also think about hanging a dedicated pedestrian/cycle bridge off the side of the bridge and turning the road bridge into a 3 lane carriageway, with two lanes going west, and one going east (the Millfield roundabout doesn't slow the traffic eastbound as much as it does in the other direction). It wouldn't fix it forever but it would increase the capacity of the ring road until it inevitably has to be dualled to cope with the increased housing planned for the north side of the city. Tricky Dickie
  • Score: 47

7:17am Sat 7 Jun 14

pedalling paul says...

Tricky Dickie wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.
And I have noticed in my travels that although the designers think its great, it causes a lot of issues. I'm not alone in not letting anyone cut in from the right hand lane as in my mind they are effectively pushing in whilst im waiting patiently.
Sadly TheTruthHurts, your approach to driving is more at fault than the design of this particular road section. The idea behind having a single line of traffic split in to two to cross a large roundabout, and then merge back into one stream in the following 200 metres is perfectly sound. If the traffic is doing 30 miles per hour around the ring road, and drops to 15 miles per hour to cross the roundabout, the capacity of the road is maintained as it merges and speeds up again.

However, as York_chap says, the bottleneck caused at the A59 roundabout causes the traffic to back up to the A19, which is then exacerbated by the diehard left-laners who don't seem to understand that both lanes have equal priority when they merge. Instead they sit there puce faced, staring straight head with white knuckled fury, 2 inches from the bumper of the car in front, with hair-trigger braking for fear that anybody should use the right hand lane for it's intended purpose and steal a march on them.

Arguably, the A59 roundabout should have been improved before the A19 one. The other thing the CYC should consider is fencing off the view from the top of the bridge over the river. Many of the delays are caused by rubberneckers gawping at the floods, sunrise, boats, Minster or anything else they can slow down and point at, instead of keeping their eyes on the road. If there's cash available, they could also think about hanging a dedicated pedestrian/cycle bridge off the side of the bridge and turning the road bridge into a 3 lane carriageway, with two lanes going west, and one going east (the Millfield roundabout doesn't slow the traffic eastbound as much as it does in the other direction). It wouldn't fix it forever but it would increase the capacity of the ring road until it inevitably has to be dualled to cope with the increased housing planned for the north side of the city.
.inevitably has to be dualled...... ????? The words loud and cuckoo come to mind...unless you can magic up £150m + from somewhere.
[quote][p][bold]Tricky Dickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.[/p][/quote]And I have noticed in my travels that although the designers think its great, it causes a lot of issues. I'm not alone in not letting anyone cut in from the right hand lane as in my mind they are effectively pushing in whilst im waiting patiently.[/p][/quote]Sadly TheTruthHurts, your approach to driving is more at fault than the design of this particular road section. The idea behind having a single line of traffic split in to two to cross a large roundabout, and then merge back into one stream in the following 200 metres is perfectly sound. If the traffic is doing 30 miles per hour around the ring road, and drops to 15 miles per hour to cross the roundabout, the capacity of the road is maintained as it merges and speeds up again. However, as York_chap says, the bottleneck caused at the A59 roundabout causes the traffic to back up to the A19, which is then exacerbated by the diehard left-laners who don't seem to understand that both lanes have equal priority when they merge. Instead they sit there puce faced, staring straight head with white knuckled fury, 2 inches from the bumper of the car in front, with hair-trigger braking for fear that anybody should use the right hand lane for it's intended purpose and steal a march on them. Arguably, the A59 roundabout should have been improved before the A19 one. The other thing the CYC should consider is fencing off the view from the top of the bridge over the river. Many of the delays are caused by rubberneckers gawping at the floods, sunrise, boats, Minster or anything else they can slow down and point at, instead of keeping their eyes on the road. If there's cash available, they could also think about hanging a dedicated pedestrian/cycle bridge off the side of the bridge and turning the road bridge into a 3 lane carriageway, with two lanes going west, and one going east (the Millfield roundabout doesn't slow the traffic eastbound as much as it does in the other direction). It wouldn't fix it forever but it would increase the capacity of the ring road until it inevitably has to be dualled to cope with the increased housing planned for the north side of the city.[/p][/quote].inevitably has to be dualled...... ????? The words loud and cuckoo come to mind...unless you can magic up £150m + from somewhere. pedalling paul
  • Score: 14

11:00am Sat 7 Jun 14

Tricky Dickie says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Tricky Dickie wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.
And I have noticed in my travels that although the designers think its great, it causes a lot of issues. I'm not alone in not letting anyone cut in from the right hand lane as in my mind they are effectively pushing in whilst im waiting patiently.
Sadly TheTruthHurts, your approach to driving is more at fault than the design of this particular road section. The idea behind having a single line of traffic split in to two to cross a large roundabout, and then merge back into one stream in the following 200 metres is perfectly sound. If the traffic is doing 30 miles per hour around the ring road, and drops to 15 miles per hour to cross the roundabout, the capacity of the road is maintained as it merges and speeds up again.

However, as York_chap says, the bottleneck caused at the A59 roundabout causes the traffic to back up to the A19, which is then exacerbated by the diehard left-laners who don't seem to understand that both lanes have equal priority when they merge. Instead they sit there puce faced, staring straight head with white knuckled fury, 2 inches from the bumper of the car in front, with hair-trigger braking for fear that anybody should use the right hand lane for it's intended purpose and steal a march on them.

Arguably, the A59 roundabout should have been improved before the A19 one. The other thing the CYC should consider is fencing off the view from the top of the bridge over the river. Many of the delays are caused by rubberneckers gawping at the floods, sunrise, boats, Minster or anything else they can slow down and point at, instead of keeping their eyes on the road. If there's cash available, they could also think about hanging a dedicated pedestrian/cycle bridge off the side of the bridge and turning the road bridge into a 3 lane carriageway, with two lanes going west, and one going east (the Millfield roundabout doesn't slow the traffic eastbound as much as it does in the other direction). It wouldn't fix it forever but it would increase the capacity of the ring road until it inevitably has to be dualled to cope with the increased housing planned for the north side of the city.
.inevitably has to be dualled...... ????? The words loud and cuckoo come to mind...unless you can magic up £150m + from somewhere.
PP. You've got me stumped on the loud cuckoos. No idea what they have to do with the ring road.

However, it is inevitable that if York is to be expanded on it's northern side, whether it be more housing at Clifton Moor, British Sugar or anywhere else CYC have plans to build, all manner of infrastucture will need to be bolstered whether it be schools, healthcare, public transport or the ring road.

While it may not be feasible to dual all of the ring road in one go, it would be essential to at least look at the bit between the A19 and it's western junction with the A64 at Copmanthorpe. Based on your numbers that would be around £80m. I'm sure that there are many contributors to this site that can rattle off a number of "projects" undertaken by CYC recently the money from which could have gone some way to making a dent in that figure. According to the latest Government numbers there are around 5000 miles of dual carriage way roads in GB. Are you really suggesting that there isn't any way that another 4 to 8 miles of new dual carriage way can't be financed?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tricky Dickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: Motionless in a jam yesterday at 16:25 at the most stupid roundabout design i`ve ever come across in my life at the A1237/A19 point, I witnessed the daily spectacle of the roundabout being totally blocked by two lanes of cars and a heavy goods vehicle, all trying to get onto the section that takes you towards Poppleton. An emergency ambulance with blue lights and siren approached from the direction of Skelton and was unable to get across the roundabout, he had to wait on the roundabout and blast his horn for several minutes, but there is just no movement here because of the two lanes that try to merge into one to head eastbound. I had been sitting in the left lane myself and witnessed a police van, amongst the dozens of others, a few minutes before take the right lane option so that they can cut in further along. This has to be the biggest design failure ever in highways and whoever did it should go back to playing with lego.[/p][/quote]And I have noticed in my travels that although the designers think its great, it causes a lot of issues. I'm not alone in not letting anyone cut in from the right hand lane as in my mind they are effectively pushing in whilst im waiting patiently.[/p][/quote]Sadly TheTruthHurts, your approach to driving is more at fault than the design of this particular road section. The idea behind having a single line of traffic split in to two to cross a large roundabout, and then merge back into one stream in the following 200 metres is perfectly sound. If the traffic is doing 30 miles per hour around the ring road, and drops to 15 miles per hour to cross the roundabout, the capacity of the road is maintained as it merges and speeds up again. However, as York_chap says, the bottleneck caused at the A59 roundabout causes the traffic to back up to the A19, which is then exacerbated by the diehard left-laners who don't seem to understand that both lanes have equal priority when they merge. Instead they sit there puce faced, staring straight head with white knuckled fury, 2 inches from the bumper of the car in front, with hair-trigger braking for fear that anybody should use the right hand lane for it's intended purpose and steal a march on them. Arguably, the A59 roundabout should have been improved before the A19 one. The other thing the CYC should consider is fencing off the view from the top of the bridge over the river. Many of the delays are caused by rubberneckers gawping at the floods, sunrise, boats, Minster or anything else they can slow down and point at, instead of keeping their eyes on the road. If there's cash available, they could also think about hanging a dedicated pedestrian/cycle bridge off the side of the bridge and turning the road bridge into a 3 lane carriageway, with two lanes going west, and one going east (the Millfield roundabout doesn't slow the traffic eastbound as much as it does in the other direction). It wouldn't fix it forever but it would increase the capacity of the ring road until it inevitably has to be dualled to cope with the increased housing planned for the north side of the city.[/p][/quote].inevitably has to be dualled...... ????? The words loud and cuckoo come to mind...unless you can magic up £150m + from somewhere.[/p][/quote]PP. You've got me stumped on the loud cuckoos. No idea what they have to do with the ring road. However, it is inevitable that if York is to be expanded on it's northern side, whether it be more housing at Clifton Moor, British Sugar or anywhere else CYC have plans to build, all manner of infrastucture will need to be bolstered whether it be schools, healthcare, public transport or the ring road. While it may not be feasible to dual all of the ring road in one go, it would be essential to at least look at the bit between the A19 and it's western junction with the A64 at Copmanthorpe. Based on your numbers that would be around £80m. I'm sure that there are many contributors to this site that can rattle off a number of "projects" undertaken by CYC recently the money from which could have gone some way to making a dent in that figure. According to the latest Government numbers there are around 5000 miles of dual carriage way roads in GB. Are you really suggesting that there isn't any way that another 4 to 8 miles of new dual carriage way can't be financed? Tricky Dickie
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3:32pm Sun 8 Jun 14

anistasia says...

How many comments are put on here just so the writer can see what reaction he/she can get and how many likes or dislikes a person can get isn't it time the press stopped putting on how many votes someone gets.like if you agree.
How many comments are put on here just so the writer can see what reaction he/she can get and how many likes or dislikes a person can get isn't it time the press stopped putting on how many votes someone gets.like if you agree. anistasia
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7:14pm Thu 12 Jun 14

strangebuttrue? says...

anistasia wrote:
How many comments are put on here just so the writer can see what reaction he/she can get and how many likes or dislikes a person can get isn't it time the press stopped putting on how many votes someone gets.like if you agree.
The vote makes no difference to any regular user who is aware that the scores are rigged negatively by something that does not like adverse comment on the labour council or any comment that does not support cycling.
[quote][p][bold]anistasia[/bold] wrote: How many comments are put on here just so the writer can see what reaction he/she can get and how many likes or dislikes a person can get isn't it time the press stopped putting on how many votes someone gets.like if you agree.[/p][/quote]The vote makes no difference to any regular user who is aware that the scores are rigged negatively by something that does not like adverse comment on the labour council or any comment that does not support cycling. strangebuttrue?
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