Long wait for answers sparks secrecy row in York

The legislation was intended to improve access to information held by public organisations

The legislation was intended to improve access to information held by public organisations

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YORK council officials are falling far short of national targets for providing information to the public, new figures have revealed.

Last year, City of York Council failed more than 300 times to meet the legal deadline for responding to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) inquiries.

It met the deadline of 20 working days on only 919 of the 1,283 queries it received, a rate of 71.6 per cent. The national watchdog, the Information Commissioner's Office, says at least 85 per cent of queries should be answered on time. It will often monitor organisations failing to hit that target, and can take further action if figures do not improve.

Liberal Democrat councillor Nigel Ayre said he had encountered long waits and called the statistics "deeply concerning".

He said: "There is a process problem but there is a wider problem of a complete lack of openness and transparency under Labour. This is forcing residents to put in the requests in the first place."

He said Labour had introduced a "culture of secrecy".

The Freedom of Information Act became law in 2005, enshrining people's right to access information held by public authorities and to improve the accountability of public-sector organisations.

York-based governance advisor Gwen Swinburn said: "I have submitted around ten FOI requests to City of York Council, almost all on the most basic democracy issues. Almost without exception, the council has delayed and gone to great lengths to avoid answering in part or in full."

Council leader James Alexander recently said in a public meeting that Ms Swinburn's usage of the FOIA and complaints about responses were costing the council money.

Ian Floyd, council director of customer and business support services, said York, as a unitary council, had more functions and responsibilities than neighbouring district or county councils.

He said the council was committed to open government and welcomed "ongoing support from our very engaged citizenry" but said the number of requests under the FOIA had risen by 72 per cent in the past two years.

He said: "Recent improvements have been put in place to strengthen our performance and to ensure requests are dealt with in the agreed timescales."

Mr Floyd said each FOIA request costs £700 on average to complete, but did not clarify how or why.

Many authorities now publish online all information they disclose under the FOIA. Mr Floyd added: "York is one of the only authorities in the country to publish FOIs online and webcast all public meetings, allowing members of the public to view previous requests and important public decisions at their leisure and as a result help cut the cost of collating future FOIs.”

He said the council's "on-time" response rate for 2012/13 as a whole was 75 per cent, and said it had since risen to 81 per cent for 2013/14.

How local councils compared in 2013

  • City of York Council completed 919 of its 1,283 requests on time (71.6%).
  • Scarborough Borough Council's rate was 82.4% (482 out of 585).
  • Selby District Council's was 87.3% (420 out of 481).
  • Harrogate Borough Council's was 88.3% (470 out of 532).
  • East Riding of Yorkshire Council's rate was 93.5% (985 out of 1,054).
  • Ryedale District Council's was 94.8% (477 out of 503).
  • Hambleton District Council's was 94.2% (293 out of 311).
  • North Yorkshire County Council's was 96.9% (1,211 out of 1,250).

All councils provided the information in response to FOIA requests submitted in January, although City of York Council took 74 working days to respond.

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1:09pm Wed 4 Jun 14

eeoodares says...

Is there anything that this mob can do?
Is there anything that this mob can do? eeoodares
  • Score: -71

1:26pm Wed 4 Jun 14

inthesticks says...

The point is Mr Floyd, if the information was in the public domain and COYC was not so secretive and more transparent, people wouldn`t have to make so many FOI requests.
And £700 my ****!
Look at the size of NYCC and how well they do.
The point is Mr Floyd, if the information was in the public domain and COYC was not so secretive and more transparent, people wouldn`t have to make so many FOI requests. And £700 my ****! Look at the size of NYCC and how well they do. inthesticks
  • Score: -63

1:33pm Wed 4 Jun 14

jaycee says...

I think the next request should be to Mr Floyd on how he arrives at the figure of £700 per request.This equates to around £90000 pa .A figure which implies a director must spend all his working time replying to requests.
I think the next request should be to Mr Floyd on how he arrives at the figure of £700 per request.This equates to around £90000 pa .A figure which implies a director must spend all his working time replying to requests. jaycee
  • Score: -75

1:39pm Wed 4 Jun 14

tobefair says...

This article just confirms what many posters on this website have been reporting for many months.
If the Council were open and above board in their dealings then FOI requests would not be needed saving us, the tax payers £700 (the figure from the Council) a time.
Someone will now enquire via FOI how the £700 is calculated, thus costing us another £700.
This article just confirms what many posters on this website have been reporting for many months. If the Council were open and above board in their dealings then FOI requests would not be needed saving us, the tax payers £700 (the figure from the Council) a time. Someone will now enquire via FOI how the £700 is calculated, thus costing us another £700. tobefair
  • Score: -15

1:41pm Wed 4 Jun 14

meme says...

Frankly I have made requests and have NEVER received a satisfactory answer
there is always a reason that info is restricted or refused , generally on financial grounds and it stinks
This administration needs to know that IF they were more open they would get less requests but they are obsessive with trying to manipulate us and persuade us that what they do is for the best regardless of the popularity/criticism
s etc they get. their consultations are all geared to getting the answers they want and are lip service to the democratic process
I'm not particularly political in any way but this lot needs replacing with fresh blood who can remember why they were voted into power..IE to serve not bully the electorate. Certain Councillors have got too used to having their own way and are stale and not fit for the job and are letting their politics get in the way of making the right decisions for York.
Frankly I have made requests and have NEVER received a satisfactory answer there is always a reason that info is restricted or refused , generally on financial grounds and it stinks This administration needs to know that IF they were more open they would get less requests but they are obsessive with trying to manipulate us and persuade us that what they do is for the best regardless of the popularity/criticism s etc they get. their consultations are all geared to getting the answers they want and are lip service to the democratic process I'm not particularly political in any way but this lot needs replacing with fresh blood who can remember why they were voted into power..IE to serve not bully the electorate. Certain Councillors have got too used to having their own way and are stale and not fit for the job and are letting their politics get in the way of making the right decisions for York. meme
  • Score: -26

1:51pm Wed 4 Jun 14

pedalling paul says...

Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......
Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests....... pedalling paul
  • Score: 73

1:52pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Ichabod76 says...

I think Ian Floyd just plucked his figure of £700 out of the air, like most of COYC cost analysis !

From the ICO:

Currently, the cost limit for complying with a request or a linked series of requests from the same person or group is set at £600 for central government, Parliament and the armed forces and £450 for all other public authorities. You can refuse a request if you estimate that the cost of compliance would exceed this limit. This provision is found at section 12 of the Act.

If each FOI was costing £700 Ian floyd would be refusing every one on the cost of compliance !
Just COYC being open and transparent as usual.
I think Ian Floyd just plucked his figure of £700 out of the air, like most of COYC cost analysis ! From the ICO: Currently, the cost limit for complying with a request or a linked series of requests from the same person or group is set at £600 for central government, Parliament and the armed forces and £450 for all other public authorities. You can refuse a request if you estimate that the cost of compliance would exceed this limit. This provision is found at section 12 of the Act. If each FOI was costing £700 Ian floyd would be refusing every one on the cost of compliance ! Just COYC being open and transparent as usual. Ichabod76
  • Score: -49

2:01pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Kelvar says...

Does this actually surprise anyone out there! Are we all 'totally flabbergasted' yet! No - didn't think so!
Does this actually surprise anyone out there! Are we all 'totally flabbergasted' yet! No - didn't think so! Kelvar
  • Score: -25

2:20pm Wed 4 Jun 14

gmsgop says...

The comments from Ian Floyd are somewhat disturbing - no wonder he didn't get back to you Gavin- councils usually use a £25 per hour 18 hr max - so his sums are a bit off- rather worrying as he is responsible for our budgets.

It isn't just the delqy in the #fois that the press, citizens, councillors and others are obliged to lodge ( so much information should be in the public domain, but isn't.) it is the way they are answered. On many occasions, besides the delays, the council goes out of its way to avoid answering, or to answer minimally. The numbers of requests being passed to internal review is a good test. The proof of the pudding will be when the Information
Commissioner and Local Government Ombudsman submit their reports.

Delay is bad enough, avoidance (at best) of sharing information in an honest open and transparent manner is quite another.

Citizens need look no further than the whatdotheyknow web site to see the song and dance the council puts citizens through. I am ashamed. You will also see there are no regular requesters, and you will see genuine requests - citizens just asking what they are entitled to know.

At no point do you ever see any evidence of CYC learning from FOI failures - any apologies for wasting citizens time- no just gripes about costing them money- the information in the main should be there for all to see- so the costs city of York of your appalling track record dealing with FOIs is down to you- don't blame us, we are in a democracy in case you sometimes forget.

Gwen Swinburn
The comments from Ian Floyd are somewhat disturbing - no wonder he didn't get back to you Gavin- councils usually use a £25 per hour 18 hr max - so his sums are a bit off- rather worrying as he is responsible for our budgets. It isn't just the delqy in the #fois that the press, citizens, councillors and others are obliged to lodge ( so much information should be in the public domain, but isn't.) it is the way they are answered. On many occasions, besides the delays, the council goes out of its way to avoid answering, or to answer minimally. The numbers of requests being passed to internal review is a good test. The proof of the pudding will be when the Information Commissioner and Local Government Ombudsman submit their reports. Delay is bad enough, avoidance (at best) of sharing information in an honest open and transparent manner is quite another. Citizens need look no further than the whatdotheyknow web site to see the song and dance the council puts citizens through. I am ashamed. You will also see there are no regular requesters, and you will see genuine requests - citizens just asking what they are entitled to know. At no point do you ever see any evidence of CYC learning from FOI failures - any apologies for wasting citizens time- no just gripes about costing them money- the information in the main should be there for all to see- so the costs city of York of your appalling track record dealing with FOIs is down to you- don't blame us, we are in a democracy in case you sometimes forget. Gwen Swinburn gmsgop
  • Score: -70

2:36pm Wed 4 Jun 14

courier46 says...

Say no more! except why?
Say no more! except why? courier46
  • Score: -32

2:38pm Wed 4 Jun 14

inthesticks says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......
And what a good job they do. You are free to go and live in a non-democratic country where those in power are never held to account.
FOI law is one of the best tools for citizens and let`s hope this gov doesn`t make it harder for us to use, as some are trying to do.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......[/p][/quote]And what a good job they do. You are free to go and live in a non-democratic country where those in power are never held to account. FOI law is one of the best tools for citizens and let`s hope this gov doesn`t make it harder for us to use, as some are trying to do. inthesticks
  • Score: -16

3:04pm Wed 4 Jun 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Council leader James Alexander recently said in a public meeting that Ms Swinburn's usage of the FOIA and complaints about responses were costing the council money.

Wake-up and smell the coffee, it is your lack of openness that is costing the council money.

The best weapon of a dictatorship is secrecy, but the best weapon of a democracy should be the weapon of openness.
Council leader James Alexander recently said in a public meeting that Ms Swinburn's usage of the FOIA and complaints about responses were costing the council money. Wake-up and smell the coffee, it is your lack of openness that is costing the council money. The best weapon of a dictatorship is secrecy, but the best weapon of a democracy should be the weapon of openness. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -14

3:19pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Cheeky face says...

I had complaints/queries from 2011 only just answered. They need specific questions, otherwise they will "read" arguments/feedback as points to be considered. This often means waste paper bin or LBW file.

James Alexander promised me an urgent follow up in Feb 2014. I had to finally get it dealt with a week ago by my chasing them. Not happy with all the
replies to date though.

Still waiting for replies to phone calls I made from two people - one is a director! These over 3 weeks ago.

Gwen's treatment by them is not a surprise to many who comment on these pagers.

My stringed e-mails/letters/phon
e calls re Coppergate PCNs etc commenced in Aug 2013, but the silly note on para 3 of the council's traffic enforcement is now with the traffic adjudicator! In fact the police said last week Coppergate advance signs are wrong!!
I had complaints/queries from 2011 only just answered. They need specific questions, otherwise they will "read" arguments/feedback as points to be considered. This often means waste paper bin or LBW file. James Alexander promised me an urgent follow up in Feb 2014. I had to finally get it dealt with a week ago by my chasing them. Not happy with all the replies to date though. Still waiting for replies to phone calls I made from two people - one is a director! These over 3 weeks ago. Gwen's treatment by them is not a surprise to many who comment on these pagers. My stringed e-mails/letters/phon e calls re Coppergate PCNs etc commenced in Aug 2013, but the silly note on para 3 of the council's traffic enforcement is now with the traffic adjudicator! In fact the police said last week Coppergate advance signs are wrong!! Cheeky face
  • Score: -53

3:25pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Cheeky face says...

Gwen.

Lots of council's have minimal FOI requests, because they openly provide information initially.

"What do they know" web-site is another useful option. All comments are fully open!

Let's not forget where our taxes are forwarded to!
Gwen. Lots of council's have minimal FOI requests, because they openly provide information initially. "What do they know" web-site is another useful option. All comments are fully open! Let's not forget where our taxes are forwarded to! Cheeky face
  • Score: -60

4:13pm Wed 4 Jun 14

eeoodares says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......
Not long now councillor, you and your colleagues will be out!

You have really messed this City up, you council have been divisive, disingenuous. You post on this forum with the sole point of 'winding people up'.

Disgraceful behaviour, you will not be back in power within a generation.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......[/p][/quote]Not long now councillor, you and your colleagues will be out! You have really messed this City up, you council have been divisive, disingenuous. You post on this forum with the sole point of 'winding people up'. Disgraceful behaviour, you will not be back in power within a generation. eeoodares
  • Score: -46

4:35pm Wed 4 Jun 14

bolero says...

The answer is quite simple rally. York council obviously have more to hide than the other comparative councils.
The answer is quite simple rally. York council obviously have more to hide than the other comparative councils. bolero
  • Score: -66

4:45pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Meirion M says...

eeoodares wrote:
Is there anything that this mob can do?
Yes.
Resign NOW, and take their "officers" with them.
These so-called are public servants, yet treat the public as no-marks.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: Is there anything that this mob can do?[/p][/quote]Yes. Resign NOW, and take their "officers" with them. These so-called are public servants, yet treat the public as no-marks. Meirion M
  • Score: -55

4:50pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Meirion M says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......
You are a apologist for YCC, Mr.
Roll on May 2015, and take their parasites, YCC officers.
This is a democracy, you know, PP.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......[/p][/quote]You are a apologist for YCC, Mr. Roll on May 2015, and take their parasites, YCC officers. This is a democracy, you know, PP. Meirion M
  • Score: -16

4:52pm Wed 4 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......
Can I submit a FOI request as to your involvement with present council? particularly in regards to transport policy!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......[/p][/quote]Can I submit a FOI request as to your involvement with present council? particularly in regards to transport policy! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -76

4:52pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Cheeky face says...

My report on the failings of Coppergate (PCNs suspended) is to be answered soon; possibly coincident with the council's bus lane appeal being determined.

While the council seem to issue answers in equivocate form, and road signs in ordered with words in a similarly vague/ambiguous way can we expect anything different?

They appear to be operating dysfunctionally and create rules as they go along.

CEO and the council leader together need to sort it all out. They should be responsible in their actions/policies, but many believe they are the responsible culprits.

Since the PCNs stopped what have they done re congestion? Even the P and R sites are struggling to be completed on time.

What do they really know about the 20mph consequences on accidents/pollution/
other green issues. Will buses stick to 20mph if the drivers run the risk of being behind timetables.

Glad I left in 1995.
My report on the failings of Coppergate (PCNs suspended) is to be answered soon; possibly coincident with the council's bus lane appeal being determined. While the council seem to issue answers in equivocate form, and road signs in ordered with words in a similarly vague/ambiguous way can we expect anything different? They appear to be operating dysfunctionally and create rules as they go along. CEO and the council leader together need to sort it all out. They should be responsible in their actions/policies, but many believe they are the responsible culprits. Since the PCNs stopped what have they done re congestion? Even the P and R sites are struggling to be completed on time. What do they really know about the 20mph consequences on accidents/pollution/ other green issues. Will buses stick to 20mph if the drivers run the risk of being behind timetables. Glad I left in 1995. Cheeky face
  • Score: -48

4:53pm Wed 4 Jun 14

pbrowne2009@live.co.uk says...

Its ok folks.......... there is light at the end of the tunnel. Come elections they won't even be running this city.

York City - such a nice city run by disillusioned clowns
Its ok folks.......... there is light at the end of the tunnel. Come elections they won't even be running this city. York City - such a nice city run by disillusioned clowns pbrowne2009@live.co.uk
  • Score: -57

5:16pm Wed 4 Jun 14

the commentator says...

CAN WE NOT JUST GET THESE PEOPLE OUT! I am not political, but after reading article after article about this mob and Alexander, I have come to my own conclusions that they are grinding York into the ground. I will be voting for once next time and it will be for these idiots out!
CAN WE NOT JUST GET THESE PEOPLE OUT! I am not political, but after reading article after article about this mob and Alexander, I have come to my own conclusions that they are grinding York into the ground. I will be voting for once next time and it will be for these idiots out! the commentator
  • Score: -72

5:21pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Digeorge says...

No organisation really responds to complex information ask your local hospitals to provide statistical information.

No different than the councils is they ask tell you that it takes more than
No organisation really responds to complex information ask your local hospitals to provide statistical information. No different than the councils is they ask tell you that it takes more than Digeorge
  • Score: -42

5:22pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Digeorge says...

Whoever £s they won't do the response and say it is out of the cost bracket remit.
Whoever £s they won't do the response and say it is out of the cost bracket remit. Digeorge
  • Score: -59

5:48pm Wed 4 Jun 14

acomblass says...

Clearly Mr Floyd who used to work at Scarborough DC is talking nonsense. North Yorkshire CC have the same range of responsibilities as CYC both being Unitary Authorities.
The real problem lies in the lack of leadership at the top of the organisation which can be amply demonstrated by the lack of response to a non political issue raised by a resident directly with the Chief Executive in April 2013 and which is still waiting an acknowledgement or a response.
However the lack of response from councillors is also a worrying trend. They all seem to suffer from the "sloping shoulders" syndrome and pass on complaints for others to deal with instead of following them through.I am aware of issues raised with my cllrs last year and which have still not been resolved. They are very good at sitting in meetings with their ipads and earnestly recording the issue and "sending it off" to the Council as though this is some ephemeral body over which they have no control but are useless when it comes to follow up.

Sadly Ms Swinburn is not the only member of the public to be bullied by councillors and it appears that this kind of behaviour is all too common.
Clearly Mr Floyd who used to work at Scarborough DC is talking nonsense. North Yorkshire CC have the same range of responsibilities as CYC both being Unitary Authorities. The real problem lies in the lack of leadership at the top of the organisation which can be amply demonstrated by the lack of response to a non political issue raised by a resident directly with the Chief Executive in April 2013 and which is still waiting an acknowledgement or a response. However the lack of response from councillors is also a worrying trend. They all seem to suffer from the "sloping shoulders" syndrome and pass on complaints for others to deal with instead of following them through.I am aware of issues raised with my cllrs last year and which have still not been resolved. They are very good at sitting in meetings with their ipads and earnestly recording the issue and "sending it off" to the Council as though this is some ephemeral body over which they have no control but are useless when it comes to follow up. Sadly Ms Swinburn is not the only member of the public to be bullied by councillors and it appears that this kind of behaviour is all too common. acomblass
  • Score: -67

5:52pm Wed 4 Jun 14

bolero says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......
Can I submit a FOI request as to your involvement with present council? particularly in regards to transport policy!
Shush, that's a secret.
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......[/p][/quote]Can I submit a FOI request as to your involvement with present council? particularly in regards to transport policy![/p][/quote]Shush, that's a secret. bolero
  • Score: -34

5:59pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......
I can't believe someone repeatedly presenting the council point-of-view, who comments publicly and in the Press so often, can justify the remark above. It is a pity that Paul did not think twice before hitting the "Post Comment" button!

Maybe a retraction Paul?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......[/p][/quote]I can't believe someone repeatedly presenting the council point-of-view, who comments publicly and in the Press so often, can justify the remark above. It is a pity that Paul did not think twice before hitting the "Post Comment" button! Maybe a retraction Paul? Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -51

6:34pm Wed 4 Jun 14

AnotherPointofView says...

jaycee wrote:
I think the next request should be to Mr Floyd on how he arrives at the figure of £700 per request.This equates to around £90000 pa .A figure which implies a director must spend all his working time replying to requests.
Indeed, nearly £900,000 spent on FOI. I can't believe the cost to the council is that much.

This council has specialised in secrecy, roll on 2015 when we can get rid of this lot.
[quote][p][bold]jaycee[/bold] wrote: I think the next request should be to Mr Floyd on how he arrives at the figure of £700 per request.This equates to around £90000 pa .A figure which implies a director must spend all his working time replying to requests.[/p][/quote]Indeed, nearly £900,000 spent on FOI. I can't believe the cost to the council is that much. This council has specialised in secrecy, roll on 2015 when we can get rid of this lot. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -38

6:39pm Wed 4 Jun 14

nottoooldtocare says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......
I can't believe someone repeatedly presenting the council point-of-view, who comments publicly and in the Press so often, can justify the remark above. It is a pity that Paul did not think twice before hitting the "Post Comment" button!

Maybe a retraction Paul?
Sadly I think PP represents the general opinion and behaviour of the present council and how they see the public, the very people they are supposed to represent and act on behalf of.
All too often this attitude is mimicked after taking their lead from the buffoons in all parties at the top of the tree, who also have scant regard for the public they are supposed to represent. Look at the note the outgoing chancellor left for his successor. What does that say about the integrity of these self opinionated oafs?

If you look at recent election turn outs rates and then look at what happens when a party gets elected, such as COYC, who then have total disregard for what the electorate think or say etc. Why would people bother to vote again, and realistically, what is the difference between them all? Does the public trust them and hold them in high regard? No, they are less respected than bankers, so what does that say? In what other business would you have people with such poor reputations and past performance bold enough to put themselves forward for re election to lead at any level? None, they would be drummed out of most legitimate businesses in disgrace, but not politics, why? Because they are all of ilk and they are sadly there for their benefit and ego, not to represent the masses.
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......[/p][/quote]I can't believe someone repeatedly presenting the council point-of-view, who comments publicly and in the Press so often, can justify the remark above. It is a pity that Paul did not think twice before hitting the "Post Comment" button! Maybe a retraction Paul?[/p][/quote]Sadly I think PP represents the general opinion and behaviour of the present council and how they see the public, the very people they are supposed to represent and act on behalf of. All too often this attitude is mimicked after taking their lead from the buffoons in all parties at the top of the tree, who also have scant regard for the public they are supposed to represent. Look at the note the outgoing chancellor left for his successor. What does that say about the integrity of these self opinionated oafs? If you look at recent election turn outs rates and then look at what happens when a party gets elected, such as COYC, who then have total disregard for what the electorate think or say etc. Why would people bother to vote again, and realistically, what is the difference between them all? Does the public trust them and hold them in high regard? No, they are less respected than bankers, so what does that say? In what other business would you have people with such poor reputations and past performance bold enough to put themselves forward for re election to lead at any level? None, they would be drummed out of most legitimate businesses in disgrace, but not politics, why? Because they are all of ilk and they are sadly there for their benefit and ego, not to represent the masses. nottoooldtocare
  • Score: -32

6:48pm Wed 4 Jun 14

AnotherPointofView says...

nottoooldtocare wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......
I can't believe someone repeatedly presenting the council point-of-view, who comments publicly and in the Press so often, can justify the remark above. It is a pity that Paul did not think twice before hitting the "Post Comment" button!

Maybe a retraction Paul?
Sadly I think PP represents the general opinion and behaviour of the present council and how they see the public, the very people they are supposed to represent and act on behalf of.
All too often this attitude is mimicked after taking their lead from the buffoons in all parties at the top of the tree, who also have scant regard for the public they are supposed to represent. Look at the note the outgoing chancellor left for his successor. What does that say about the integrity of these self opinionated oafs?

If you look at recent election turn outs rates and then look at what happens when a party gets elected, such as COYC, who then have total disregard for what the electorate think or say etc. Why would people bother to vote again, and realistically, what is the difference between them all? Does the public trust them and hold them in high regard? No, they are less respected than bankers, so what does that say? In what other business would you have people with such poor reputations and past performance bold enough to put themselves forward for re election to lead at any level? None, they would be drummed out of most legitimate businesses in disgrace, but not politics, why? Because they are all of ilk and they are sadly there for their benefit and ego, not to represent the masses.
Well said. Ironically the reason for such poor turnouts is because people get fed up with councillors/MP's treating the electorate with such disregard.

Instead of apathy the electorate should look forward to May 2015, when these "public servants" who really serve their own ends can be got rid of.

Those who don't vote shouldn't come on here moaning when they get a council they don't like.
[quote][p][bold]nottoooldtocare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Strikes me that some residents make a hobby from submitting FOI requests.......[/p][/quote]I can't believe someone repeatedly presenting the council point-of-view, who comments publicly and in the Press so often, can justify the remark above. It is a pity that Paul did not think twice before hitting the "Post Comment" button! Maybe a retraction Paul?[/p][/quote]Sadly I think PP represents the general opinion and behaviour of the present council and how they see the public, the very people they are supposed to represent and act on behalf of. All too often this attitude is mimicked after taking their lead from the buffoons in all parties at the top of the tree, who also have scant regard for the public they are supposed to represent. Look at the note the outgoing chancellor left for his successor. What does that say about the integrity of these self opinionated oafs? If you look at recent election turn outs rates and then look at what happens when a party gets elected, such as COYC, who then have total disregard for what the electorate think or say etc. Why would people bother to vote again, and realistically, what is the difference between them all? Does the public trust them and hold them in high regard? No, they are less respected than bankers, so what does that say? In what other business would you have people with such poor reputations and past performance bold enough to put themselves forward for re election to lead at any level? None, they would be drummed out of most legitimate businesses in disgrace, but not politics, why? Because they are all of ilk and they are sadly there for their benefit and ego, not to represent the masses.[/p][/quote]Well said. Ironically the reason for such poor turnouts is because people get fed up with councillors/MP's treating the electorate with such disregard. Instead of apathy the electorate should look forward to May 2015, when these "public servants" who really serve their own ends can be got rid of. Those who don't vote shouldn't come on here moaning when they get a council they don't like. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -32

6:57pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Jack Ham says...

The only reason CYC receive so many FOI's is because it is the only way left to try and get answers from them.

Despite the spin, this administration and current senior team have made their contempt for residents perfectly clear. Despite their attempts to avoid responding to FOI's these have already provided valuable insights into the mindset and functioning of our Authority.

Congratulations to Gwen Swinburn for her determined tenacity in pursuing CYC for answers. I have seen and heard the abuse she has been subjected to and believe she should be nominated for an OBE for services to democracy!
The only reason CYC receive so many FOI's is because it is the only way left to try and get answers from them. Despite the spin, this administration and current senior team have made their contempt for residents perfectly clear. Despite their attempts to avoid responding to FOI's these have already provided valuable insights into the mindset and functioning of our Authority. Congratulations to Gwen Swinburn for her determined tenacity in pursuing CYC for answers. I have seen and heard the abuse she has been subjected to and believe she should be nominated for an OBE for services to democracy! Jack Ham
  • Score: -43

7:24pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Dave Ruddock says...

I just hope all political parties are listening to what is happening with the present Muppets. All parties be aware your voted in by the electorate and therefore responsible to the citizens of the city, so Freedom of Information is there Achilles Heal . wounder if we ask FOI on Job Description for each Head of Department or are those secret lol .
I just hope all political parties are listening to what is happening with the present Muppets. All parties be aware your voted in by the electorate and therefore responsible to the citizens of the city, so Freedom of Information is there Achilles Heal . wounder if we ask FOI on Job Description for each Head of Department or are those secret lol . Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -29

7:35pm Wed 4 Jun 14

bolero says...

Who's pedalling the votes I wonder? Shush, that's a secret too.
Who's pedalling the votes I wonder? Shush, that's a secret too. bolero
  • Score: -48

8:13pm Wed 4 Jun 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

It's fitting that so many of those who have contempt for the private citizen will soon find themselves back among them.

C'mon Mark-Down Mongrels, do your best, after all you have been trying since 14th December 2013 with NO effect on the flow of public opinion.

I enjoy being an accomplice in your frustration, you have achieved nothing and yet your actions show the posters of comments just how effective and how far from your control WE are.

Stupidity is trying to control something you are powerless over, you see the council is temporary.
It's fitting that so many of those who have contempt for the private citizen will soon find themselves back among them. C'mon Mark-Down Mongrels, do your best, after all you have been trying since 14th December 2013 with NO effect on the flow of public opinion. I enjoy being an accomplice in your frustration, you have achieved nothing and yet your actions show the posters of comments just how effective and how far from your control WE are. Stupidity is trying to control something you are powerless over, you see the council is temporary. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -97

8:24pm Wed 4 Jun 14

oi oi savaloy says...

york labour = corrupt .... simple
york labour = corrupt .... simple oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -109

8:40pm Wed 4 Jun 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Well there is no denying the fact that the Mark-Down Mongrels are indeed frustrated incapables.

Your attentions tell us more about you than any other actions could. Which is quite ironic really because the story is about secrecy.
Well there is no denying the fact that the Mark-Down Mongrels are indeed frustrated incapables. Your attentions tell us more about you than any other actions could. Which is quite ironic really because the story is about secrecy. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -173

8:42pm Wed 4 Jun 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
york labour = corrupt .... simple
No denying you hit a nerve with that one, -126 in 15 minutes.

Way to go Savaloy.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: york labour = corrupt .... simple[/p][/quote]No denying you hit a nerve with that one, -126 in 15 minutes. Way to go Savaloy. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -187

8:46pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Jack Ham says...

Keep up the good work Gwen. I know for a fact you have both senior officers and cabinet members rattled to the point here a number of them block you yet obsess over unblocking and reading your tweets.

You should either stand for election or work directly with the next administration. You are one of the few trusted campaigners in our city.
Keep up the good work Gwen. I know for a fact you have both senior officers and cabinet members rattled to the point here a number of them block you yet obsess over unblocking and reading your tweets. You should either stand for election or work directly with the next administration. You are one of the few trusted campaigners in our city. Jack Ham
  • Score: -226

8:54pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ouseswimmer says...

£700? Take someone on minimum wage and that's over 100 hours to answer one query. or 2.5 weeks. Someone needs to get with the programme of be voted out.
£700? Take someone on minimum wage and that's over 100 hours to answer one query. or 2.5 weeks. Someone needs to get with the programme of be voted out. ouseswimmer
  • Score: -221

8:57pm Wed 4 Jun 14

piaggio1 says...

When/ will. This person/s be named.ie mark down mongrel....I have me thoughts..but I fear its some minnion/s employed by us the public.

Oh forgot....yup they is ALL corrupt..it.s in the name..........lIEBOU
R.
When/ will. This person/s be named.ie mark down mongrel....I have me thoughts..but I fear its some minnion/s employed by us the public. Oh forgot....yup they is ALL corrupt..it.s in the name..........lIEBOU R. piaggio1
  • Score: -159

9:11pm Wed 4 Jun 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

"OH MY GOD" someone has posted a message, I must do my duty and mark it down so the readers think it's not a popular opinion.

I'm in fits of laughter.

YCC no leadership, no credibility, no hopers.

Go getem Mark-Down Mongrels

Woof, Woof.
"OH MY GOD" someone has posted a message, I must do my duty and mark it down so the readers think it's not a popular opinion. I'm in fits of laughter. YCC no leadership, no credibility, no hopers. Go getem Mark-Down Mongrels Woof, Woof. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -85

9:13pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Badgers Drift says...

jaycee wrote:
I think the next request should be to Mr Floyd on how he arrives at the figure of £700 per request.This equates to around £90000 pa .A figure which implies a director must spend all his working time replying to requests.
jaycee, you missed a "0"..

1,283 x £700 = £898,100

This must be an accounting error, surely?

How does this equate to the average cost of other councils?
[quote][p][bold]jaycee[/bold] wrote: I think the next request should be to Mr Floyd on how he arrives at the figure of £700 per request.This equates to around £90000 pa .A figure which implies a director must spend all his working time replying to requests.[/p][/quote]jaycee, you missed a "0".. 1,283 x £700 = £898,100 This must be an accounting error, surely? How does this equate to the average cost of other councils? Badgers Drift
  • Score: -108

9:41pm Wed 4 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
"OH MY GOD" someone has posted a message, I must do my duty and mark it down so the readers think it's not a popular opinion.

I'm in fits of laughter.

YCC no leadership, no credibility, no hopers.

Go getem Mark-Down Mongrels

Woof, Woof.
As far as the comment scoring goes, if you remember I wrote to the press a while back:

I wrote:

I am an avid reader of the news articles on the press web site, and the comments associated with them.
However the "thumbs up" "thumbs down" facility which I assume is supposed to relate to how many agree or disagree with whatever issue is being discussed puzzles me in that there appears to be huge differentials for it to be a true reflection of opinion.
Quite a few commenters it would seem are of an opinion that the system is being abused by a third party or parties - to give the wrong impression - by vastly under scoring or over scoring comments on contentious topics, such as the recent Lendal Bridge issue for example.
Would it not be better for the Press to update its web site and remove this facility, or do they condone the practice of what is to me a blatant manipulation of the system in order to make topics look as though they have huge support or no support at all.

The press replied:

We are aware that this is being abused and mostly on stories concerning City of York Council. This service is provided to us by a central team that services all of the papers across the country that are owned by our parent company Newsquest. We are currently talking to them about this.

Regards
Steve Hughes
Editor

Well it looks like they still allow the council infiltrator to adjust the scoring!
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: "OH MY GOD" someone has posted a message, I must do my duty and mark it down so the readers think it's not a popular opinion. I'm in fits of laughter. YCC no leadership, no credibility, no hopers. Go getem Mark-Down Mongrels Woof, Woof.[/p][/quote]As far as the comment scoring goes, if you remember I wrote to the press a while back: I wrote: I am an avid reader of the news articles on the press web site, and the comments associated with them. However the "thumbs up" "thumbs down" facility which I assume is supposed to relate to how many agree or disagree with whatever issue is being discussed puzzles me in that there appears to be huge differentials for it to be a true reflection of opinion. Quite a few commenters it would seem are of an opinion that the system is being abused by a third party or parties - to give the wrong impression - by vastly under scoring or over scoring comments on contentious topics, such as the recent Lendal Bridge issue for example. Would it not be better for the Press to update its web site and remove this facility, or do they condone the practice of what is to me a blatant manipulation of the system in order to make topics look as though they have huge support or no support at all. The press replied: We are aware that this is being abused and mostly on stories concerning City of York Council. This service is provided to us by a central team that services all of the papers across the country that are owned by our parent company Newsquest. We are currently talking to them about this. Regards Steve Hughes Editor Well it looks like they still allow the council infiltrator to adjust the scoring! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -79

10:00pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
"OH MY GOD" someone has posted a message, I must do my duty and mark it down so the readers think it's not a popular opinion.

I'm in fits of laughter.

YCC no leadership, no credibility, no hopers.

Go getem Mark-Down Mongrels

Woof, Woof.
As far as the comment scoring goes, if you remember I wrote to the press a while back:

I wrote:

I am an avid reader of the news articles on the press web site, and the comments associated with them.
However the "thumbs up" "thumbs down" facility which I assume is supposed to relate to how many agree or disagree with whatever issue is being discussed puzzles me in that there appears to be huge differentials for it to be a true reflection of opinion.
Quite a few commenters it would seem are of an opinion that the system is being abused by a third party or parties - to give the wrong impression - by vastly under scoring or over scoring comments on contentious topics, such as the recent Lendal Bridge issue for example.
Would it not be better for the Press to update its web site and remove this facility, or do they condone the practice of what is to me a blatant manipulation of the system in order to make topics look as though they have huge support or no support at all.

The press replied:

We are aware that this is being abused and mostly on stories concerning City of York Council. This service is provided to us by a central team that services all of the papers across the country that are owned by our parent company Newsquest. We are currently talking to them about this.

Regards
Steve Hughes
Editor

Well it looks like they still allow the council infiltrator to adjust the scoring!
Its not impossible to stop. It's all to do with blocking third party cookies and site data in the content setting of browser software...
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: "OH MY GOD" someone has posted a message, I must do my duty and mark it down so the readers think it's not a popular opinion. I'm in fits of laughter. YCC no leadership, no credibility, no hopers. Go getem Mark-Down Mongrels Woof, Woof.[/p][/quote]As far as the comment scoring goes, if you remember I wrote to the press a while back: I wrote: I am an avid reader of the news articles on the press web site, and the comments associated with them. However the "thumbs up" "thumbs down" facility which I assume is supposed to relate to how many agree or disagree with whatever issue is being discussed puzzles me in that there appears to be huge differentials for it to be a true reflection of opinion. Quite a few commenters it would seem are of an opinion that the system is being abused by a third party or parties - to give the wrong impression - by vastly under scoring or over scoring comments on contentious topics, such as the recent Lendal Bridge issue for example. Would it not be better for the Press to update its web site and remove this facility, or do they condone the practice of what is to me a blatant manipulation of the system in order to make topics look as though they have huge support or no support at all. The press replied: We are aware that this is being abused and mostly on stories concerning City of York Council. This service is provided to us by a central team that services all of the papers across the country that are owned by our parent company Newsquest. We are currently talking to them about this. Regards Steve Hughes Editor Well it looks like they still allow the council infiltrator to adjust the scoring![/p][/quote]Its not impossible to stop. It's all to do with blocking third party cookies and site data in the content setting of browser software... Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -85

10:06pm Wed 4 Jun 14

A.P.Feeders says...

I think it's quite obvious now that we don't have the best council leaders all we can do now is vote them out next time the elections come round
I think it's quite obvious now that we don't have the best council leaders all we can do now is vote them out next time the elections come round A.P.Feeders
  • Score: -45

10:52pm Wed 4 Jun 14

inthesticks says...

A.P.Feeders wrote:
I think it's quite obvious now that we don't have the best council leaders all we can do now is vote them out next time the elections come round
We can`t vote out the paid council leaders though can we, don`t be under any illusions, they are the organ grinders.
[quote][p][bold]A.P.Feeders[/bold] wrote: I think it's quite obvious now that we don't have the best council leaders all we can do now is vote them out next time the elections come round[/p][/quote]We can`t vote out the paid council leaders though can we, don`t be under any illusions, they are the organ grinders. inthesticks
  • Score: -75

11:13pm Wed 4 Jun 14

piaggio1 says...

2hours and only -162. For christ sake speed up.and while were at it you g*t .who.s payin for OUR van out at barmby ont marsh.??? And I hope the guys card I found in LIDL car park .in a YCC van .was.nt on works time .corrupt the lot o yer.
2hours and only -162. For christ sake speed up.and while were at it you g*t .who.s payin for OUR van out at barmby ont marsh.??? And I hope the guys card I found in LIDL car park .in a YCC van .was.nt on works time .corrupt the lot o yer. piaggio1
  • Score: -69

11:29pm Wed 4 Jun 14

jay, york says...

The arrogance of this shameful labour council seems to know no bounds - they fail on FOIs and now seem to think they have the right to ignore the national watchdog, the Information Commissioner's Office,
Then we get more secrecy, lies and inflated estimate of costings from them for dealing with FOIs. As so many have said, the ONLY reason the number of FOIs has increased is because people are sickk to death of this secrecy culture that the council have created and do not trust or believe a single thing they say.

Keep up your excellent work Gwen Swinburn - this lot need to be brought to task. Good to see by all the markdowns on this topic that they are extremely rattled!
The arrogance of this shameful labour council seems to know no bounds - they fail on FOIs and now seem to think they have the right to ignore the national watchdog, the Information Commissioner's Office, Then we get more secrecy, lies and inflated estimate of costings from them for dealing with FOIs. As so many have said, the ONLY reason the number of FOIs has increased is because people are sickk to death of this secrecy culture that the council have created and do not trust or believe a single thing they say. Keep up your excellent work Gwen Swinburn - this lot need to be brought to task. Good to see by all the markdowns on this topic that they are extremely rattled! jay, york
  • Score: -51

1:39am Thu 5 Jun 14

Badgers Drift says...

Jack Ham wrote:
Keep up the good work Gwen. I know for a fact you have both senior officers and cabinet members rattled to the point here a number of them block you yet obsess over unblocking and reading your tweets. You should either stand for election or work directly with the next administration. You are one of the few trusted campaigners in our city.
Don't lay all the blame at the door of the Labour councillors, even with them out of the way, there are still the politicised senior officers who are as much to blame for this culture. They need to be removed also.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: Keep up the good work Gwen. I know for a fact you have both senior officers and cabinet members rattled to the point here a number of them block you yet obsess over unblocking and reading your tweets. You should either stand for election or work directly with the next administration. You are one of the few trusted campaigners in our city.[/p][/quote]Don't lay all the blame at the door of the Labour councillors, even with them out of the way, there are still the politicised senior officers who are as much to blame for this culture. They need to be removed also. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -103

6:22am Thu 5 Jun 14

anistasia says...

Apart from 4 comments all are minus points.doesn't matter which party is in local government all will only tell you what they want you to know what they don't want you to know make it hard to get this information or give part only answers.possibly hoping you'll go away.
Apart from 4 comments all are minus points.doesn't matter which party is in local government all will only tell you what they want you to know what they don't want you to know make it hard to get this information or give part only answers.possibly hoping you'll go away. anistasia
  • Score: -80

7:32am Thu 5 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

jay, york wrote:
The arrogance of this shameful labour council seems to know no bounds - they fail on FOIs and now seem to think they have the right to ignore the national watchdog, the Information Commissioner's Office,
Then we get more secrecy, lies and inflated estimate of costings from them for dealing with FOIs. As so many have said, the ONLY reason the number of FOIs has increased is because people are sickk to death of this secrecy culture that the council have created and do not trust or believe a single thing they say.

Keep up your excellent work Gwen Swinburn - this lot need to be brought to task. Good to see by all the markdowns on this topic that they are extremely rattled!
I agree with your comment Jay, and also say keep up your excellent work Gwen, you are obviously a thorn in the side of Alexander &Co, in addition has anybody requested a FOI request on the use of the electric charging points the council installed in a number of their car parks?
[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: The arrogance of this shameful labour council seems to know no bounds - they fail on FOIs and now seem to think they have the right to ignore the national watchdog, the Information Commissioner's Office, Then we get more secrecy, lies and inflated estimate of costings from them for dealing with FOIs. As so many have said, the ONLY reason the number of FOIs has increased is because people are sickk to death of this secrecy culture that the council have created and do not trust or believe a single thing they say. Keep up your excellent work Gwen Swinburn - this lot need to be brought to task. Good to see by all the markdowns on this topic that they are extremely rattled![/p][/quote]I agree with your comment Jay, and also say keep up your excellent work Gwen, you are obviously a thorn in the side of Alexander &Co, in addition has anybody requested a FOI request on the use of the electric charging points the council installed in a number of their car parks? notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -93

8:17am Thu 5 Jun 14

andy fowler says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
"OH MY GOD" someone has posted a message, I must do my duty and mark it down so the readers think it's not a popular opinion.

I'm in fits of laughter.

YCC no leadership, no credibility, no hopers.

Go getem Mark-Down Mongrels

Woof, Woof.
As far as the comment scoring goes, if you remember I wrote to the press a while back:

I wrote:

I am an avid reader of the news articles on the press web site, and the comments associated with them.
However the "thumbs up" "thumbs down" facility which I assume is supposed to relate to how many agree or disagree with whatever issue is being discussed puzzles me in that there appears to be huge differentials for it to be a true reflection of opinion.
Quite a few commenters it would seem are of an opinion that the system is being abused by a third party or parties - to give the wrong impression - by vastly under scoring or over scoring comments on contentious topics, such as the recent Lendal Bridge issue for example.
Would it not be better for the Press to update its web site and remove this facility, or do they condone the practice of what is to me a blatant manipulation of the system in order to make topics look as though they have huge support or no support at all.

The press replied:

We are aware that this is being abused and mostly on stories concerning City of York Council. This service is provided to us by a central team that services all of the papers across the country that are owned by our parent company Newsquest. We are currently talking to them about this.

Regards
Steve Hughes
Editor

Well it looks like they still allow the council infiltrator to adjust the scoring!
They've been "talking to them" for weeks. Yet no change. We are in a localised dictatorship!!!!
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: "OH MY GOD" someone has posted a message, I must do my duty and mark it down so the readers think it's not a popular opinion. I'm in fits of laughter. YCC no leadership, no credibility, no hopers. Go getem Mark-Down Mongrels Woof, Woof.[/p][/quote]As far as the comment scoring goes, if you remember I wrote to the press a while back: I wrote: I am an avid reader of the news articles on the press web site, and the comments associated with them. However the "thumbs up" "thumbs down" facility which I assume is supposed to relate to how many agree or disagree with whatever issue is being discussed puzzles me in that there appears to be huge differentials for it to be a true reflection of opinion. Quite a few commenters it would seem are of an opinion that the system is being abused by a third party or parties - to give the wrong impression - by vastly under scoring or over scoring comments on contentious topics, such as the recent Lendal Bridge issue for example. Would it not be better for the Press to update its web site and remove this facility, or do they condone the practice of what is to me a blatant manipulation of the system in order to make topics look as though they have huge support or no support at all. The press replied: We are aware that this is being abused and mostly on stories concerning City of York Council. This service is provided to us by a central team that services all of the papers across the country that are owned by our parent company Newsquest. We are currently talking to them about this. Regards Steve Hughes Editor Well it looks like they still allow the council infiltrator to adjust the scoring![/p][/quote]They've been "talking to them" for weeks. Yet no change. We are in a localised dictatorship!!!! andy fowler
  • Score: -138

9:09am Thu 5 Jun 14

anistasia says...

Anyone read today's press lendal bridge inquiry opposed what the council got to hide as I said earlier they only give out what information they want you to have and today's paper proves my point.does the enquiry say the trial closure of the bridge was illegal but how are we going to know if the council are not open.
Anyone read today's press lendal bridge inquiry opposed what the council got to hide as I said earlier they only give out what information they want you to have and today's paper proves my point.does the enquiry say the trial closure of the bridge was illegal but how are we going to know if the council are not open. anistasia
  • Score: -110

9:40am Thu 5 Jun 14

Romjim says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
york labour = corrupt .... simple
People are entitled to views and opinions. This simple comment offers neither evidence nor logical argument to support an outrageous statement.
If you have any evidence, it is your duty as a citizen to go to the police and report it.
Please start making realistic and sensible comments.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: york labour = corrupt .... simple[/p][/quote]People are entitled to views and opinions. This simple comment offers neither evidence nor logical argument to support an outrageous statement. If you have any evidence, it is your duty as a citizen to go to the police and report it. Please start making realistic and sensible comments. Romjim
  • Score: 127

11:28am Thu 5 Jun 14

ReginaldBiscuit says...

Just a thought. Anyone think that as well as having the ability to sack MP's which is set to be introduced, voters should have the ability to sack councillors or even councils if they aren't happy with them?
Just a thought. Anyone think that as well as having the ability to sack MP's which is set to be introduced, voters should have the ability to sack councillors or even councils if they aren't happy with them? ReginaldBiscuit
  • Score: -57

11:39am Thu 5 Jun 14

Badgers Drift says...

Romjim wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote: york labour = corrupt .... simple
People are entitled to views and opinions. This simple comment offers neither evidence nor logical argument to support an outrageous statement. If you have any evidence, it is your duty as a citizen to go to the police and report it. Please start making realistic and sensible comments.
Res ipsa loquitur!
[quote][p][bold]Romjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: york labour = corrupt .... simple[/p][/quote]People are entitled to views and opinions. This simple comment offers neither evidence nor logical argument to support an outrageous statement. If you have any evidence, it is your duty as a citizen to go to the police and report it. Please start making realistic and sensible comments.[/p][/quote]Res ipsa loquitur! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -78

11:49am Thu 5 Jun 14

MorkofYork says...

Romjim wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
york labour = corrupt .... simple
People are entitled to views and opinions. This simple comment offers neither evidence nor logical argument to support an outrageous statement.
If you have any evidence, it is your duty as a citizen to go to the police and report it.
Please start making realistic and sensible comments.
What about Semlyen saying people don't need to be consulted on 20mph zones, after huge criticism, and saying 80% approve of these zones post implementation ? Do you really believe 80% of people support these 20mph zones ?
She works for 20's plenty.

Corrupt = having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.

I'm sure there's loads more examples, if not corrupt then shockingly poor integrity.

Remember when they carried on taking Lendal bridge fines and lied about the signs being good enough only to be found out in a FOI request that they knew full well the signage was poor ?

Any lies they tell to protect themselves or their ridiculous cycling ideology are for personal gain.
[quote][p][bold]Romjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: york labour = corrupt .... simple[/p][/quote]People are entitled to views and opinions. This simple comment offers neither evidence nor logical argument to support an outrageous statement. If you have any evidence, it is your duty as a citizen to go to the police and report it. Please start making realistic and sensible comments.[/p][/quote]What about Semlyen saying people don't need to be consulted on 20mph zones, after huge criticism, and saying 80% approve of these zones post implementation ? Do you really believe 80% of people support these 20mph zones ? She works for 20's plenty. Corrupt = having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain. I'm sure there's loads more examples, if not corrupt then shockingly poor integrity. Remember when they carried on taking Lendal bridge fines and lied about the signs being good enough only to be found out in a FOI request that they knew full well the signage was poor ? Any lies they tell to protect themselves or their ridiculous cycling ideology are for personal gain. MorkofYork
  • Score: -60

4:50pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Joedearden says...

Another example of the way this Council reacts to what it's citizens want. I am seriously thinking of asking a FOI question as to how it costs £700 per answer! Too many Councillors, too many staff, too many Officers, too much waste, too much local Government, too much Council Tax and too little efficient service.............
.Can't wait until next May when we can be shod of this shower!
Another example of the way this Council reacts to what it's citizens want. I am seriously thinking of asking a FOI question as to how it costs £700 per answer! Too many Councillors, too many staff, too many Officers, too much waste, too much local Government, too much Council Tax and too little efficient service............. .Can't wait until next May when we can be shod of this shower! Joedearden
  • Score: -56

6:06pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Badgers Drift says...

This Council never learn.

Here they are, having been found out for witholding information for longer that they are supposed to, and they are doing it again.

They have appointed an interim replacement for Darren Richardson, as Director of City & Environmental Services, but, they have not announced it to those they work for - US!!!

Sarah Tanburn has already started, and her name is on Council letterheads, but, the Council haven't told those they serve - York citizens!

What a disgrace!

Why the secrecy?
This Council never learn. Here they are, having been found out for witholding information for longer that they are supposed to, and they are doing it again. They have appointed an interim replacement for Darren Richardson, as Director of City & Environmental Services, but, they have not announced it to those they work for - US!!! Sarah Tanburn has already started, and her name is on Council letterheads, but, the Council haven't told those they serve - York citizens! What a disgrace! Why the secrecy? Badgers Drift
  • Score: -51

11:56pm Thu 5 Jun 14

inthesticks says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
This Council never learn.

Here they are, having been found out for witholding information for longer that they are supposed to, and they are doing it again.

They have appointed an interim replacement for Darren Richardson, as Director of City & Environmental Services, but, they have not announced it to those they work for - US!!!

Sarah Tanburn has already started, and her name is on Council letterheads, but, the Council haven't told those they serve - York citizens!

What a disgrace!

Why the secrecy?
Is it true the job wasn`t even advertised? Who decided we should have an interim replacement and why? (It`s sounding like the ending of the sit-com `Soap` ; and it probably is!)
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: This Council never learn. Here they are, having been found out for witholding information for longer that they are supposed to, and they are doing it again. They have appointed an interim replacement for Darren Richardson, as Director of City & Environmental Services, but, they have not announced it to those they work for - US!!! Sarah Tanburn has already started, and her name is on Council letterheads, but, the Council haven't told those they serve - York citizens! What a disgrace! Why the secrecy?[/p][/quote]Is it true the job wasn`t even advertised? Who decided we should have an interim replacement and why? (It`s sounding like the ending of the sit-com `Soap` ; and it probably is!) inthesticks
  • Score: -68

12:15am Fri 6 Jun 14

inthesticks says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
This Council never learn.

Here they are, having been found out for witholding information for longer that they are supposed to, and they are doing it again.

They have appointed an interim replacement for Darren Richardson, as Director of City & Environmental Services, but, they have not announced it to those they work for - US!!!

Sarah Tanburn has already started, and her name is on Council letterheads, but, the Council haven't told those they serve - York citizens!

What a disgrace!

Why the secrecy?
http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/1065505.print/
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: This Council never learn. Here they are, having been found out for witholding information for longer that they are supposed to, and they are doing it again. They have appointed an interim replacement for Darren Richardson, as Director of City & Environmental Services, but, they have not announced it to those they work for - US!!! Sarah Tanburn has already started, and her name is on Council letterheads, but, the Council haven't told those they serve - York citizens! What a disgrace! Why the secrecy?[/p][/quote]http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/1065505.print/ inthesticks
  • Score: -36

6:46am Fri 6 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

inthesticks wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
This Council never learn.

Here they are, having been found out for witholding information for longer that they are supposed to, and they are doing it again.

They have appointed an interim replacement for Darren Richardson, as Director of City & Environmental Services, but, they have not announced it to those they work for - US!!!

Sarah Tanburn has already started, and her name is on Council letterheads, but, the Council haven't told those they serve - York citizens!

What a disgrace!

Why the secrecy?
http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/local_ne

ws/1065505.print/
Is this the same Sarah Tanburn of 'Sarah Tanburn Associates' at www.workthewind.com?

They have resorted to parachuting another lefty in to bolster the party line, looks like another FOI request coming on!
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: This Council never learn. Here they are, having been found out for witholding information for longer that they are supposed to, and they are doing it again. They have appointed an interim replacement for Darren Richardson, as Director of City & Environmental Services, but, they have not announced it to those they work for - US!!! Sarah Tanburn has already started, and her name is on Council letterheads, but, the Council haven't told those they serve - York citizens! What a disgrace! Why the secrecy?[/p][/quote]http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/1065505.print/[/p][/quote]Is this the same Sarah Tanburn of 'Sarah Tanburn Associates' at www.workthewind.com? They have resorted to parachuting another lefty in to bolster the party line, looks like another FOI request coming on! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -117

7:38am Fri 6 Jun 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

ReginaldBiscuit wrote:
Just a thought. Anyone think that as well as having the ability to sack MP's which is set to be introduced, voters should have the ability to sack councillors or even councils if they aren't happy with them?
yes it's time for change. Under performers are moved on on most walks of life - so why not give them the boot.
[quote][p][bold]ReginaldBiscuit[/bold] wrote: Just a thought. Anyone think that as well as having the ability to sack MP's which is set to be introduced, voters should have the ability to sack councillors or even councils if they aren't happy with them?[/p][/quote]yes it's time for change. Under performers are moved on on most walks of life - so why not give them the boot. thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: -144

7:40am Fri 6 Jun 14

inthesticks says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
This Council never learn.

Here they are, having been found out for witholding information for longer that they are supposed to, and they are doing it again.

They have appointed an interim replacement for Darren Richardson, as Director of City & Environmental Services, but, they have not announced it to those they work for - US!!!

Sarah Tanburn has already started, and her name is on Council letterheads, but, the Council haven't told those they serve - York citizens!

What a disgrace!

Why the secrecy?
http://www.echo-news


.co.uk/news/local_ne


ws/1065505.print/
Is this the same Sarah Tanburn of 'Sarah Tanburn Associates' at www.workthewind.com?


They have resorted to parachuting another lefty in to bolster the party line, looks like another FOI request coming on!
Yes it is. Those rates are years ago mind. And there is a FOI request on whatdotheyknow.
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: This Council never learn. Here they are, having been found out for witholding information for longer that they are supposed to, and they are doing it again. They have appointed an interim replacement for Darren Richardson, as Director of City & Environmental Services, but, they have not announced it to those they work for - US!!! Sarah Tanburn has already started, and her name is on Council letterheads, but, the Council haven't told those they serve - York citizens! What a disgrace! Why the secrecy?[/p][/quote]http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/1065505.print/[/p][/quote]Is this the same Sarah Tanburn of 'Sarah Tanburn Associates' at www.workthewind.com? They have resorted to parachuting another lefty in to bolster the party line, looks like another FOI request coming on![/p][/quote]Yes it is. Those rates are years ago mind. And there is a FOI request on whatdotheyknow. inthesticks
  • Score: -140

7:45am Fri 6 Jun 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
It's fitting that so many of those who have contempt for the private citizen will soon find themselves back among them.

C'mon Mark-Down Mongrels, do your best, after all you have been trying since 14th December 2013 with NO effect on the flow of public opinion.

I enjoy being an accomplice in your frustration, you have achieved nothing and yet your actions show the posters of comments just how effective and how far from your control WE are.

Stupidity is trying to control something you are powerless over, you see the council is temporary.
nicely written comment. All these minus mark down comments are only showing that someone very sad can only resort to this childishness in some obscure notion that they are vindicating themselves
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: It's fitting that so many of those who have contempt for the private citizen will soon find themselves back among them. C'mon Mark-Down Mongrels, do your best, after all you have been trying since 14th December 2013 with NO effect on the flow of public opinion. I enjoy being an accomplice in your frustration, you have achieved nothing and yet your actions show the posters of comments just how effective and how far from your control WE are. Stupidity is trying to control something you are powerless over, you see the council is temporary.[/p][/quote]nicely written comment. All these minus mark down comments are only showing that someone very sad can only resort to this childishness in some obscure notion that they are vindicating themselves thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: -71

7:52am Fri 6 Jun 14

inthesticks says...

Everyone should just ignore the score adjuster, it`s the comment that matters not the one person who has been rattled enough to make it their hobby.
Everyone should just ignore the score adjuster, it`s the comment that matters not the one person who has been rattled enough to make it their hobby. inthesticks
  • Score: -44

4:56pm Fri 6 Jun 14

meme says...

Oh dear
I don't know this lady but I have just Googled her and it appears we have an other of the old guard joining York City Council with some v strong views on feminism, climate change, politics etc. I don't decry her for that but perhaps we needed someone a little more moderate to try to balance out some of the more extreme views of officers/councillors in the interests of the city
it appears however our leaders have appointed someone they feel will support rather than question
shame ....as the effective temporary appointment of Mr DR ended up with a big salary and little effective progress anywhere and I suspect the same will be true again as the party line will be towed faithfully with no questioning of what's actually going on
Oh dear I don't know this lady but I have just Googled her and it appears we have an other of the old guard joining York City Council with some v strong views on feminism, climate change, politics etc. I don't decry her for that [we are all entitled to our views] but perhaps we needed someone a little more moderate to try to balance out some of the more extreme views of officers/councillors in the interests of the city it appears however our leaders have appointed someone they feel will support rather than question shame ....as the effective temporary appointment of Mr DR ended up with a big salary and little effective progress anywhere and I suspect the same will be true again as the party line will be towed faithfully with no questioning of what's actually going on meme
  • Score: -48

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