Helmet-cam cyclist captures near misses with York's pedestrians

Helmet-cam cyclist captures near misses with York's pedestrians

NEAR MISS: A mum steps in front of the bike with her children

BUSY STREETS: Pedestrians in York caught on the cyclist’s videocam close to Monk Bar

IN HARM’s WAY: Some pedestrians missed being hit by the cyclist by only a few inches

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FIRST he shamed fellow cyclists and then bad drivers by filming their poor behaviour - now a York cyclist has turned his attention to the city's pedestrians.

The man's helmet webcam has captured countless near misses by oblivious walkers who have wandered in front of his bike.

Over and over again, he has caught people failing to follow the Green Cross Code and stepping into the road without looking both ways.

Some missed being hit by his bike by inches and didn't even turn their heads, while some pedestrians walking on the road towards him barely moved until he was nearly on top of them. Some people just seemed to misjudge the speed of the bike and have to sprint to get out of the way of a collision.

The cyclist's patience was sorely tested by one pedestrian who took a risk to cross the road, so much so he shouted "silly man" as he made the dash to safety.

The cyclist, who does not wish to be identified, said his latest video highlighted that once again, a number of road users were not taking the risks of the road seriously.

He told The Press that pedestrians were often distracted by mobile phones, rushing to get somewhere, ignoring red lights at crossings,or simply not looking when crossing the road, often relying on their hearing for warning of vehicles approaching.

He asked: "Do we teach our children how to cross the road? When I was a child the Green Cross Code was on TV endlessly. Stop, look right, look left, look right again, walk straight across and keep looking and listening."

However, he said he thought some York crossings were poorly designed and he would like road designers to think about how they could be improved with the international visitor in mind. "Could we have LOOK RIGHT painted on the crossing as you see in London? Many tourists look the wrong way when crossing," he said.

"People sometimes "jump" the red crossing signal because they have to wait too long. We all do it, how can this be better? Improved timings or more priority given to pedestrians?"

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11:20am Wed 28 May 14

Fat Harry says...

I've always loved the way some people shove their kids' push-chairs out into the road first in an attempt to bully other road users into giving way.

The three videos demonstrate what I've always argued; all road users are capable of behaving badly and/or making mistakes. If everyone knows and obeys the highway code, we can avoid lots of accidents and huge quantities of righteous indignation.
I've always loved the way some people shove their kids' push-chairs out into the road first in an attempt to bully other road users into giving way. The three videos demonstrate what I've always argued; all road users are capable of behaving badly and/or making mistakes. If everyone knows and obeys the highway code, we can avoid lots of accidents and huge quantities of righteous indignation. Fat Harry
  • Score: 75

11:45am Wed 28 May 14

Dan Atkinson says...

Needs to have Benny Hill style music playing.
Needs to have Benny Hill style music playing. Dan Atkinson
  • Score: 54

11:48am Wed 28 May 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

Dan Atkinson wrote:
Needs to have Benny Hill style music playing.
http://www.mp3olimp.
net/yakety-sax/
[quote][p][bold]Dan Atkinson[/bold] wrote: Needs to have Benny Hill style music playing.[/p][/quote]http://www.mp3olimp. net/yakety-sax/ Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: 5

11:48am Wed 28 May 14

mitch2nd says...

Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others mitch2nd
  • Score: -33

11:49am Wed 28 May 14

Yorkie41 says...

This person may have to watch privacy laws.
This person may have to watch privacy laws. Yorkie41
  • Score: -36

11:56am Wed 28 May 14

the original Homer says...

"some pedestrians walking on the road towards him barely moved until he was nearly on top of them"

Interesting that the camera-cyclist (and the Press) see the pedestrians as being at fault.

I'm sure they are aware that pedestrians should use the footpath, and if they step onto the road they should look both ways first.

However, are they aware that those pedestrians who moved at the last minute would have been within their right to stand their ground?

So long as the road is clear when they step onto it, pedestrians can then walk along it, on whichever side they choose, for as long as they wish.. It isn't mandatory for pedestrians to use the footpath just because it's there. With the exception of motorways, pedestrians are allowed to walk along any road they want.

Before you jump down my throat, think about all those cyclists who were up in arms about being entitled to use the road in preference to cycle paths. It's just the same - a pedestrian can choose to walk on the road rather than the pavement.

A cyclist (or a car) approaching walkers should give way to them, not expect them to move out of the way. If necessary, the cyclist should stop until it's safe to pass.
"some pedestrians walking on the road towards him barely moved until he was nearly on top of them" Interesting that the camera-cyclist (and the Press) see the pedestrians as being at fault. I'm sure they are aware that pedestrians should use the footpath, and if they step onto the road they should look both ways first. However, are they aware that those pedestrians who moved at the last minute would have been within their right to stand their ground? So long as the road is clear when they step onto it, pedestrians can then walk along it, on whichever side they choose, for as long as they wish.. It isn't mandatory for pedestrians to use the footpath just because it's there. With the exception of motorways, pedestrians are allowed to walk along any road they want. Before you jump down my throat, think about all those cyclists who were up in arms about being entitled to use the road in preference to cycle paths. It's just the same - a pedestrian can choose to walk on the road rather than the pavement. A cyclist (or a car) approaching walkers should give way to them, not expect them to move out of the way. If necessary, the cyclist should stop until it's safe to pass. the original Homer
  • Score: 0

11:57am Wed 28 May 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Out of the three videos, this one is the best.
There were a couple of sketchy and borderline incidents in the others but in this one every single one is a bona fide idiot making a poor decision or displaying zero self-awareness.
I see stuff like this every single day, especially the pushchair thing.
Sometimes you wonder if people aren't really bothered whether they live or die?

The last two prompted a stupid tide of anti-cyclist nonsense on YorkMix, on YouTube and on here. Let's hope this is met with sanity.
Out of the three videos, this one is the best. There were a couple of sketchy and borderline incidents in the others but in this one every single one is a bona fide idiot making a poor decision or displaying zero self-awareness. I see stuff like this every single day, especially the pushchair thing. Sometimes you wonder if people aren't really bothered whether they live or die? The last two prompted a stupid tide of anti-cyclist nonsense on YorkMix, on YouTube and on here. Let's hope this is met with sanity. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 9

12:04pm Wed 28 May 14

tobefair says...

Can't wait for pedestrian helmet cam with videos of cyclists in near misses whilst riding on the pavement.
Can't wait for pedestrian helmet cam with videos of cyclists in near misses whilst riding on the pavement. tobefair
  • Score: 0

12:12pm Wed 28 May 14

Justin7 says...

Anyone knocked this fella off his bike yet? I reckon it's coming.
Anyone knocked this fella off his bike yet? I reckon it's coming. Justin7
  • Score: -29

12:12pm Wed 28 May 14

krites says...

Yes, let's see the cyclists riding badly, riding on pavements, riding the wrong way down one-way streets, in pedestrian-only areas and so on. There are faults from members of all groups of road-users at times, and I'm sick of this attitude that all cyclists are good and all motorists and pedestrians are bad.
Yes, let's see the cyclists riding badly, riding on pavements, riding the wrong way down one-way streets, in pedestrian-only areas and so on. There are faults from members of all groups of road-users at times, and I'm sick of this attitude that all cyclists are good and all motorists and pedestrians are bad. krites
  • Score: -6

12:16pm Wed 28 May 14

petethefeet says...

It's the roué through Coppergate and Pavement that causes the most fun. Regardless of the opinion on speed I'm usually overtaken by taxis and buses going through. I can usually handle pedestrians wandering across just so long as they don't suddenly stop. Then it's all hell let loose. The other problem is those pedestrians at the kerb who are 'gawking' straight at you & yet still walk in front, usually at the last second. I suspect many are from out-of-town & simply cannot handle bikes!
It's the roué through Coppergate and Pavement that causes the most fun. Regardless of the opinion on speed I'm usually overtaken by taxis and buses going through. I can usually handle pedestrians wandering across just so long as they don't suddenly stop. Then it's all hell let loose. The other problem is those pedestrians at the kerb who are 'gawking' straight at you & yet still walk in front, usually at the last second. I suspect many are from out-of-town & simply cannot handle bikes! petethefeet
  • Score: 77

12:19pm Wed 28 May 14

nomadic85 says...

Whilst many are stupid in walking out, this guy clearly needs to:

1. Slow down when approaching areas with many pedestrians in it.
2. Buy and fix a bell to his bike to warn others of his presence.
3. Get a life.
Whilst many are stupid in walking out, this guy clearly needs to: 1. Slow down when approaching areas with many pedestrians in it. 2. Buy and fix a bell to his bike to warn others of his presence. 3. Get a life. nomadic85
  • Score: 36

12:23pm Wed 28 May 14

yorkandproud says...

Unlike most posters on this forum, I think the person making these videos is a tool. He needs to get a life. Instead of taking hours and hours of pointless films and then editing them into a couple of minutes, why not do something useful with his time. Why not volunteer in some form or another, if you have too much time on your hands. Lots of charities etc need people like you. Now listen, stop making your silly little videos, listen to me and do something better with your time.
Unlike most posters on this forum, I think the person making these videos is a tool. He needs to get a life. Instead of taking hours and hours of pointless films and then editing them into a couple of minutes, why not do something useful with his time. Why not volunteer in some form or another, if you have too much time on your hands. Lots of charities etc need people like you. Now listen, stop making your silly little videos, listen to me and do something better with your time. yorkandproud
  • Score: -38

12:26pm Wed 28 May 14

Miles Davis says...

mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
I agree with a lot of what the other writers have said...every type of road user, be it pedestrians crossing, cyclists, motorbikes or cars, can be seen to be at fault at some time. However, what planet are you on!! You are obviously one of these drivers who thinks it their road because they pay a road tax. Your not an MP, so you cant change the road law. Cyclists can, by law, use the road..get over it. And as for bike number plates and a sash!! I do believe there is a bed at Bootham, book yourself in mate!!
[quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]I agree with a lot of what the other writers have said...every type of road user, be it pedestrians crossing, cyclists, motorbikes or cars, can be seen to be at fault at some time. However, what planet are you on!! You are obviously one of these drivers who thinks it their road because they pay a road tax. Your not an MP, so you cant change the road law. Cyclists can, by law, use the road..get over it. And as for bike number plates and a sash!! I do believe there is a bed at Bootham, book yourself in mate!! Miles Davis
  • Score: 37

12:31pm Wed 28 May 14

notmyrealname says...

Interesting observations- as someone says a pedestrian filming cyclists riding on the pavements, through red light etc would be far more revealing. . a fair few of these people are on their phones - I see plenty of cyclists and drivers on phones as well.. Maybe the use of a mobile is one of the most dangerous things of all to distract your attention. Newer cars now have touch screen panes in the dashboard - an additional distraction
Interesting observations- as someone says a pedestrian filming cyclists riding on the pavements, through red light etc would be far more revealing. . a fair few of these people are on their phones - I see plenty of cyclists and drivers on phones as well.. Maybe the use of a mobile is one of the most dangerous things of all to distract your attention. Newer cars now have touch screen panes in the dashboard - an additional distraction notmyrealname
  • Score: -9

12:41pm Wed 28 May 14

ouseswimmer says...

Yorkie41 wrote:
This person may have to watch privacy laws.
When in a public place there is no privacy.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: This person may have to watch privacy laws.[/p][/quote]When in a public place there is no privacy. ouseswimmer
  • Score: 23

12:43pm Wed 28 May 14

inthesticks says...

This proves only one thing; that 50% of the population are stupid.
Those people are pedestrians, cyclists and car drivers alike.
I do know that if I drove my car in such an aggressive manner through busy shopping areas it wouldn`t be long before someone was seriously hurt, likewise a bike can cause terrible injuries to a pedestrian, so slow down on that bike. If you hurt someone in the future the evidence of your cycling manner is there now for all to see. Pedestrians always have priority, whether these numpties deserve it or even deserve to be let loose at the ballot box is another matter.
This proves only one thing; that 50% of the population are stupid. Those people are pedestrians, cyclists and car drivers alike. I do know that if I drove my car in such an aggressive manner through busy shopping areas it wouldn`t be long before someone was seriously hurt, likewise a bike can cause terrible injuries to a pedestrian, so slow down on that bike. If you hurt someone in the future the evidence of your cycling manner is there now for all to see. Pedestrians always have priority, whether these numpties deserve it or even deserve to be let loose at the ballot box is another matter. inthesticks
  • Score: 2

12:43pm Wed 28 May 14

ouseswimmer says...

nomadic85 wrote:
Whilst many are stupid in walking out, this guy clearly needs to:

1. Slow down when approaching areas with many pedestrians in it.
2. Buy and fix a bell to his bike to warn others of his presence.
3. Get a life.
Er...Cars go much faster yet u have no concerns with this?
[quote][p][bold]nomadic85[/bold] wrote: Whilst many are stupid in walking out, this guy clearly needs to: 1. Slow down when approaching areas with many pedestrians in it. 2. Buy and fix a bell to his bike to warn others of his presence. 3. Get a life.[/p][/quote]Er...Cars go much faster yet u have no concerns with this? ouseswimmer
  • Score: 17

12:44pm Wed 28 May 14

seharris says...

Surely this guy has now shown himself to be riding too fast in the city centre & riding down pedestrian only areas? Also I think particularly with this film as you can clearly see the faces of some of the pedestrians it is an invasion of their privacy - he has a right to make his comments but not to show peoples face on a film without their permission
Surely this guy has now shown himself to be riding too fast in the city centre & riding down pedestrian only areas? Also I think particularly with this film as you can clearly see the faces of some of the pedestrians it is an invasion of their privacy - he has a right to make his comments but not to show peoples face on a film without their permission seharris
  • Score: -16

12:48pm Wed 28 May 14

Prob says...

krites wrote:
Yes, let's see the cyclists riding badly, riding on pavements, riding the wrong way down one-way streets, in pedestrian-only areas and so on. There are faults from members of all groups of road-users at times, and I'm sick of this attitude that all cyclists are good and all motorists and pedestrians are bad.
Er, he already did that in his first video. Read the article properly.

As mentioned in the first comment, this happily proves that all users of all transports are capable of performing like idiots. It is not the method of transport which causes idiots.
[quote][p][bold]krites[/bold] wrote: Yes, let's see the cyclists riding badly, riding on pavements, riding the wrong way down one-way streets, in pedestrian-only areas and so on. There are faults from members of all groups of road-users at times, and I'm sick of this attitude that all cyclists are good and all motorists and pedestrians are bad.[/p][/quote]Er, he already did that in his first video. Read the article properly. As mentioned in the first comment, this happily proves that all users of all transports are capable of performing like idiots. It is not the method of transport which causes idiots. Prob
  • Score: 31

12:57pm Wed 28 May 14

/kev/null says...

No privacy laws have been breached. http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Photography
_and_the_law#United_
Kingdom
No privacy laws have been breached. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Photography _and_the_law#United_ Kingdom /kev/null
  • Score: 12

12:58pm Wed 28 May 14

the original Homer says...

seharris wrote:
Surely this guy has now shown himself to be riding too fast in the city centre & riding down pedestrian only areas? Also I think particularly with this film as you can clearly see the faces of some of the pedestrians it is an invasion of their privacy - he has a right to make his comments but not to show peoples face on a film without their permission
The bit about him being too fast I agree with.

But you are making your own rules up about "invasion of privacy". He does have the right to show peoples face on a film.

He can do this without their permission and without even asking their permission. He can even do it if they actually refuse permission.

It's a basic principle that "in privacy" and "in public" are opposites. Anything done in public is not private.
[quote][p][bold]seharris[/bold] wrote: Surely this guy has now shown himself to be riding too fast in the city centre & riding down pedestrian only areas? Also I think particularly with this film as you can clearly see the faces of some of the pedestrians it is an invasion of their privacy - he has a right to make his comments but not to show peoples face on a film without their permission[/p][/quote]The bit about him being too fast I agree with. But you are making your own rules up about "invasion of privacy". He does have the right to show peoples face on a film. He can do this without their permission and without even asking their permission. He can even do it if they actually refuse permission. It's a basic principle that "in privacy" and "in public" are opposites. Anything done in public is not private. the original Homer
  • Score: 10

1:00pm Wed 28 May 14

Overproof says...

seharris wrote:
Surely this guy has now shown himself to be riding too fast in the city centre & riding down pedestrian only areas? Also I think particularly with this film as you can clearly see the faces of some of the pedestrians it is an invasion of their privacy - he has a right to make his comments but not to show peoples face on a film without their permission
Anybody is entitled to film or photograph in a public place.
[quote][p][bold]seharris[/bold] wrote: Surely this guy has now shown himself to be riding too fast in the city centre & riding down pedestrian only areas? Also I think particularly with this film as you can clearly see the faces of some of the pedestrians it is an invasion of their privacy - he has a right to make his comments but not to show peoples face on a film without their permission[/p][/quote]Anybody is entitled to film or photograph in a public place. Overproof
  • Score: 10

1:11pm Wed 28 May 14

Old_Man says...

It's called jaywalking and is illegal in many countries. Shame it isn't here. Some utter morons on two legs.
It's called jaywalking and is illegal in many countries. Shame it isn't here. Some utter morons on two legs. Old_Man
  • Score: 10

1:32pm Wed 28 May 14

kwalsh says...

I am getting quite fed up with sanctimonious cyclists - I am a pedestrian who has to deal with cyclists who ignore laws and by-laws everyday - they endanger pedestrians, because they (the cyclists) cycle on pavements, do not dismount when sign-age tells them to do so, amongst many other infringements of the highway code; a series of LAWS which applies to cyclists as they are on "carriages" - pedestrians are not. Of course, this does not mean that pedestrians have the right to be negligent - however, the onus is upon cyclists to have a duty of care.
I am getting quite fed up with sanctimonious cyclists - I am a pedestrian who has to deal with cyclists who ignore laws and by-laws everyday - they endanger pedestrians, because they (the cyclists) cycle on pavements, do not dismount when sign-age tells them to do so, amongst many other infringements of the highway code; a series of LAWS which applies to cyclists as they are on "carriages" - pedestrians are not. Of course, this does not mean that pedestrians have the right to be negligent - however, the onus is upon cyclists to have a duty of care. kwalsh
  • Score: -4

1:32pm Wed 28 May 14

JoeR says...

the original Homer wrote:
seharris wrote:
Surely this guy has now shown himself to be riding too fast in the city centre & riding down pedestrian only areas? Also I think particularly with this film as you can clearly see the faces of some of the pedestrians it is an invasion of their privacy - he has a right to make his comments but not to show peoples face on a film without their permission
The bit about him being too fast I agree with.

But you are making your own rules up about "invasion of privacy". He does have the right to show peoples face on a film.

He can do this without their permission and without even asking their permission. He can even do it if they actually refuse permission.

It's a basic principle that "in privacy" and "in public" are opposites. Anything done in public is not private.
"The cyclist, who does not wish to be identified"

Hypocritical, no?
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seharris[/bold] wrote: Surely this guy has now shown himself to be riding too fast in the city centre & riding down pedestrian only areas? Also I think particularly with this film as you can clearly see the faces of some of the pedestrians it is an invasion of their privacy - he has a right to make his comments but not to show peoples face on a film without their permission[/p][/quote]The bit about him being too fast I agree with. But you are making your own rules up about "invasion of privacy". He does have the right to show peoples face on a film. He can do this without their permission and without even asking their permission. He can even do it if they actually refuse permission. It's a basic principle that "in privacy" and "in public" are opposites. Anything done in public is not private.[/p][/quote]"The cyclist, who does not wish to be identified" Hypocritical, no? JoeR
  • Score: -20

1:34pm Wed 28 May 14

York Castle says...

Lots of varying views on this cycling subject , 25 contributors who have commented, but no contribution from 'pedalling paul'? Very strange. Perhaps he is the secret cyclist with the webcam?
Lots of varying views on this cycling subject , 25 contributors who have commented, but no contribution from 'pedalling paul'? Very strange. Perhaps he is the secret cyclist with the webcam? York Castle
  • Score: -46

1:34pm Wed 28 May 14

gjh says...

mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
I just renewed the "tax" on my car, it is zero because I drive a low emission vehicle. If I had to tax my bicycle it would also be zero, but would cost the state to implement the scheme. A vehicle takes up road space, damages the fabric of the highway, pollutes the environment and burns the world's resources. It is not unreasonable to pay for doing this. A cyclist does not do these things; you should be thanking them.
[quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]I just renewed the "tax" on my car, it is zero because I drive a low emission vehicle. If I had to tax my bicycle it would also be zero, but would cost the state to implement the scheme. A vehicle takes up road space, damages the fabric of the highway, pollutes the environment and burns the world's resources. It is not unreasonable to pay for doing this. A cyclist does not do these things; you should be thanking them. gjh
  • Score: 62

1:35pm Wed 28 May 14

the original Homer says...

Old_Man wrote:
It's called jaywalking and is illegal in many countries. Shame it isn't here. Some utter morons on two legs.
But it isn't illegal here at the moment and we should all abide by the laws as they stand.

There are some morons on two legs, but not all of those filmed were in the wrong.

As others have said, the means of getting around doesn't suddenly make people into idiots.

We've now had 3 sets of videos, covering cyclists, motorists and pedestrians. All 3 have shown examples of bad behavior.

The thing all 3 have in common though is a cyclist who rides too fast in busy places and who doesn't understand the highway code. In each set there are examples where the person shown as the villain has actually done no wrong.

This camera-hat-man is showing himself up as a bad cyclist and drawing attention to his misconceptions of how to behave on the road. He is getting safe cyclists like myself a bad name. If he is ever involved in an accident there is plenty of evidence to demonstrate the kind of cyclist he is, which I'm sure would strengthen any case against him.

On balance, I think he is doing us all a service with most of the antics he highlights. Unfortunately he is doing himself a dis-service, because there are all too many where he is the villain.

It's a strange world where a road user has so many near-misses, yet still thinks he's right. Even stranger when he captures it all on videos, edits them down to the "best bits" and then publishes them so we can all see what a warped sense of right and wrong he has.

I'm not defending most of those cyclists/drivers/ped
estrians, but there are a lot of clips where the camera man is in the wrong. By including those clips, he is obviously saying he thinks he's right, and looking for us to agree.
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: It's called jaywalking and is illegal in many countries. Shame it isn't here. Some utter morons on two legs.[/p][/quote]But it isn't illegal here at the moment and we should all abide by the laws as they stand. There are some morons on two legs, but not all of those filmed were in the wrong. As others have said, the means of getting around doesn't suddenly make people into idiots. We've now had 3 sets of videos, covering cyclists, motorists and pedestrians. All 3 have shown examples of bad behavior. The thing all 3 have in common though is a cyclist who rides too fast in busy places and who doesn't understand the highway code. In each set there are examples where the person shown as the villain has actually done no wrong. This camera-hat-man is showing himself up as a bad cyclist and drawing attention to his misconceptions of how to behave on the road. He is getting safe cyclists like myself a bad name. If he is ever involved in an accident there is plenty of evidence to demonstrate the kind of cyclist he is, which I'm sure would strengthen any case against him. On balance, I think he is doing us all a service with most of the antics he highlights. Unfortunately he is doing himself a dis-service, because there are all too many where he is the villain. It's a strange world where a road user has so many near-misses, yet still thinks he's right. Even stranger when he captures it all on videos, edits them down to the "best bits" and then publishes them so we can all see what a warped sense of right and wrong he has. I'm not defending most of those cyclists/drivers/ped estrians, but there are a lot of clips where the camera man is in the wrong. By including those clips, he is obviously saying he thinks he's right, and looking for us to agree. the original Homer
  • Score: -12

1:39pm Wed 28 May 14

eye me laddy says...

does he not have a bell
does he not have a bell eye me laddy
  • Score: -4

1:44pm Wed 28 May 14

Mister Matosis says...

Some of these streets are very busy with a combination of cars and pedestrians - and many of the extremely narrow roads and footpaths only serve to exacerbate the situation. I also noticed in this video that some of the 'offenders' were walking along pedestrianised areas.

It is human nature to sometimes absent-mindedly wander where you shouldn't, especially in the scenarios outlined above. If you also consider that a lot the people featured were probably visitors/tourists/si
ghtseers, then it is highly likely that they will wonder around in a bit of a daydream: but only because they either aren't familiar with the streets and/or are sightseeing/browsing
. Not because they're out to knock you off your bicycle.

Their actions, in my opinion, are completely forgivable and this cyclist has no right to make them out to be would-be cyclist murderers.

I live in York and I am a pedestrian, a car driver AND a cyclist and I am extremely careful at all times to watch out for fellow road users and pedestrians - and I try my best to observe the laws of the roads, paths and cycle lanes whenever possible. But there are also many occasions on which I'm guilty of all the misdemeanours this film-making 'hero' keeps highlighting. They are not even acts of human error: they are acts of human nature.

So do us all a favour, O God of Road Safety: take your camera off your helmet and stop the f******g preaching.
Some of these streets are very busy with a combination of cars and pedestrians - and many of the extremely narrow roads and footpaths only serve to exacerbate the situation. I also noticed in this video that some of the 'offenders' were walking along pedestrianised areas. It is human nature to sometimes absent-mindedly wander where you shouldn't, especially in the scenarios outlined above. If you also consider that a lot the people featured were probably visitors/tourists/si ghtseers, then it is highly likely that they will wonder around in a bit of a daydream: but only because they either aren't familiar with the streets and/or are sightseeing/browsing . Not because they're out to knock you off your bicycle. Their actions, in my opinion, are completely forgivable and this cyclist has no right to make them out to be would-be cyclist murderers. I live in York and I am a pedestrian, a car driver AND a cyclist and I am extremely careful at all times to watch out for fellow road users and pedestrians - and I try my best to observe the laws of the roads, paths and cycle lanes whenever possible. But there are also many occasions on which I'm guilty of all the misdemeanours this film-making 'hero' keeps highlighting. They are not even acts of human error: they are acts of human nature. So do us all a favour, O God of Road Safety: take your camera off your helmet and stop the f******g preaching. Mister Matosis
  • Score: -1

1:49pm Wed 28 May 14

sensibleyorkresident says...

Some of those we're on the one hand hilarious and on the other hand frustrating and dangerous.

My experience as a cyclist and a driver is that pedestrians think that York is mostly pedestrianized and that it is entirely pedestrianized on weekends. the truth is that most of these pedestrians were simply not looking where they were going. yes cyclists are generally silent and it wouldn't be a bad idea to get a bell, but as previous posts on the subject have stated- using a bell is a fast-track to being told to **** off or being pushed off your bike. the anti-cycling brigade would be straight on here winging and moaning that "cyclists think they can do whatever they like provided they ring their bell first" cyclists can't win whatever they do, bell or no bell, and you can't reason with unreasonable people such as mitch2nd he will never be happy until the world suits him the way he wants it all the time, which will never happen. people like mitch2nd expect everyone else to follow the rules all the time but as we have seen everyone is at fault. I am assuming mitch2nd is a driver- I'd like to know if mitch2nd has ever driven over the speed limit, or parked illegally or not signalled at a junction or round about! let he who is without sin cast the first stone. (I'm not religious but that point is quite sensible)

No one looking at that video can think that it is reasonable to be wondering along the road on the double yellow lines or staggering around at a junction or change your mind half way across the road and turn back. yes cycles are silent but electric cars are pretty quiet too and there will more and more of them on the road, how many of you would feel sympathy for these pedestrians if they did the same thing in front of you when you're driving your electric car or hybrid and you get sued by them for running them over. then it'll all be "they were jay walking"- "they should have used the crossing"- "I had right of way"

you're view on this matter is perspective. we all live in the triangle of hate- cyclists hate pedestrians and drivers, drivers hate cyclists and pedestrians and pedestrians hate cyclists and drivers. I'm a pedestrian as soon as I step out of my car or off my bike just like everyone else is and I'd like to think that I would be treated with the same courtesy and respect as I treat everyone else, not distain like mitch2nd and the like.

great videos, keep em up!
Some of those we're on the one hand hilarious and on the other hand frustrating and dangerous. My experience as a cyclist and a driver is that pedestrians think that York is mostly pedestrianized and that it is entirely pedestrianized on weekends. the truth is that most of these pedestrians were simply not looking where they were going. yes cyclists are generally silent and it wouldn't be a bad idea to get a bell, but as previous posts on the subject have stated- using a bell is a fast-track to being told to **** off or being pushed off your bike. the anti-cycling brigade would be straight on here winging and moaning that "cyclists think they can do whatever they like provided they ring their bell first" cyclists can't win whatever they do, bell or no bell, and you can't reason with unreasonable people such as mitch2nd he will never be happy until the world suits him the way he wants it all the time, which will never happen. people like mitch2nd expect everyone else to follow the rules all the time but as we have seen everyone is at fault. I am assuming mitch2nd is a driver- I'd like to know if mitch2nd has ever driven over the speed limit, or parked illegally or not signalled at a junction or round about! let he who is without sin cast the first stone. (I'm not religious but that point is quite sensible) No one looking at that video can think that it is reasonable to be wondering along the road on the double yellow lines or staggering around at a junction or change your mind half way across the road and turn back. yes cycles are silent but electric cars are pretty quiet too and there will more and more of them on the road, how many of you would feel sympathy for these pedestrians if they did the same thing in front of you when you're driving your electric car or hybrid and you get sued by them for running them over. then it'll all be "they were jay walking"- "they should have used the crossing"- "I had right of way" you're view on this matter is perspective. we all live in the triangle of hate- cyclists hate pedestrians and drivers, drivers hate cyclists and pedestrians and pedestrians hate cyclists and drivers. I'm a pedestrian as soon as I step out of my car or off my bike just like everyone else is and I'd like to think that I would be treated with the same courtesy and respect as I treat everyone else, not distain like mitch2nd and the like. great videos, keep em up! sensibleyorkresident
  • Score: 5

1:53pm Wed 28 May 14

sensibleyorkresident says...

p.s I thought he was cycling quite slowly for most of it, it's just the perspective of slow moving pedestrians. I doubt that he was breaching the speed limit laws for the roads on his bike, you need a good long straight just to get up to 20 and there are no good long straights without pedestrians wandering all over them around town, absolutely nothing to answer for in terms of speed!
p.s I thought he was cycling quite slowly for most of it, it's just the perspective of slow moving pedestrians. I doubt that he was breaching the speed limit laws for the roads on his bike, you need a good long straight just to get up to 20 and there are no good long straights without pedestrians wandering all over them around town, absolutely nothing to answer for in terms of speed! sensibleyorkresident
  • Score: 0

1:59pm Wed 28 May 14

The OX says...

Not once did he use a bell on his bike, it is a legal requirement by Law, to use to warn others that they are there, not shout out. that could be anyone
Not once did he use a bell on his bike, it is a legal requirement by Law, to use to warn others that they are there, not shout out. that could be anyone The OX
  • Score: -3

2:18pm Wed 28 May 14

flyfisher says...

What an arrogant nob of a cyclist...best advert for banning them in York.Come on police get this person and do him/her for dangerous riding
What an arrogant nob of a cyclist...best advert for banning them in York.Come on police get this person and do him/her for dangerous riding flyfisher
  • Score: -29

2:19pm Wed 28 May 14

petethefeet says...

eye me laddy wrote:
does he not have a bell
Yep, I recommend the bicycle air-horn called 'Airzound'. You need a compressor to re-charge it but Gawd, it clears the road. Sounds like the 'Pride-of-York' coming into berth!...........:-)
)
[quote][p][bold]eye me laddy[/bold] wrote: does he not have a bell[/p][/quote]Yep, I recommend the bicycle air-horn called 'Airzound'. You need a compressor to re-charge it but Gawd, it clears the road. Sounds like the 'Pride-of-York' coming into berth!...........:-) ) petethefeet
  • Score: 10

2:19pm Wed 28 May 14

Dave Ruddock says...

I think the massage here is, from a lot of cases in the vid and also what i have experienced, it the MOBILE phone is used and distracts people , weather in a motor vehicle, bike cycle or pedestrian, from their surroundings. also like to point out years ago there was the pedestrian road code, look and see what is around you before crossing, Yes this cyclist should use a bell (i thought it was law) and he does seem to be a Race Rider type of guy, so yes Slow Down. and one last thing, ALL PEOPLE should be aware of what roads where made for (Traffic) weather a horse and cart or a double decker bus.
I think the massage here is, from a lot of cases in the vid and also what i have experienced, it the MOBILE phone is used and distracts people , weather in a motor vehicle, bike cycle or pedestrian, from their surroundings. also like to point out years ago there was the pedestrian road code, look and see what is around you before crossing, Yes this cyclist should use a bell (i thought it was law) and he does seem to be a Race Rider type of guy, so yes Slow Down. and one last thing, ALL PEOPLE should be aware of what roads where made for (Traffic) weather a horse and cart or a double decker bus. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 9

2:27pm Wed 28 May 14

Maquis says...

What these videos show is the state of society and education these days.
No longer is it the case that you are taught to obey the highway / green cross code, but to have an accident is fine as long as you know who to blame for it.

We need to get back to teaching people to have respect for each other and being observant about the world and others around you, but as with most other things, it is easier to do nothing and blame someone else for your failing.
What these videos show is the state of society and education these days. No longer is it the case that you are taught to obey the highway / green cross code, but to have an accident is fine as long as you know who to blame for it. We need to get back to teaching people to have respect for each other and being observant about the world and others around you, but as with most other things, it is easier to do nothing and blame someone else for your failing. Maquis
  • Score: 18

2:28pm Wed 28 May 14

the original Homer says...

The OX wrote:
Not once did he use a bell on his bike, it is a legal requirement by Law, to use to warn others that they are there, not shout out. that could be anyone
Another one making up his own laws.

There is no legal requirement to use a bell.

There isn't even a legal requirement to have a bell fitted. The law says an "audible means of warning" and the human voice meets that requirement.

I have a bell on my bike, and I think it is better than shouting, but I have it and use it through choice.
[quote][p][bold]The OX[/bold] wrote: Not once did he use a bell on his bike, it is a legal requirement by Law, to use to warn others that they are there, not shout out. that could be anyone[/p][/quote]Another one making up his own laws. There is no legal requirement to use a bell. There isn't even a legal requirement to have a bell fitted. The law says an "audible means of warning" and the human voice meets that requirement. I have a bell on my bike, and I think it is better than shouting, but I have it and use it through choice. the original Homer
  • Score: 3

2:33pm Wed 28 May 14

ouserunner says...

I worked in Holland. The practice there is for cyclists in city centres to sound their bells periodically to warn pedestrians of their approach. It works.
I worked in Holland. The practice there is for cyclists in city centres to sound their bells periodically to warn pedestrians of their approach. It works. ouserunner
  • Score: 18

2:36pm Wed 28 May 14

petethefeet says...

the original Homer wrote:
The OX wrote:
Not once did he use a bell on his bike, it is a legal requirement by Law, to use to warn others that they are there, not shout out. that could be anyone
Another one making up his own laws.

There is no legal requirement to use a bell.

There isn't even a legal requirement to have a bell fitted. The law says an "audible means of warning" and the human voice meets that requirement.

I have a bell on my bike, and I think it is better than shouting, but I have it and use it through choice.
A lot of people believe that everything in the highway code is based on law - which it isn't. A lot of it is just recommended 'best-practise'. However, judges in civil law might tend to include non-legal recommendations ('should') when apportioning blame.
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The OX[/bold] wrote: Not once did he use a bell on his bike, it is a legal requirement by Law, to use to warn others that they are there, not shout out. that could be anyone[/p][/quote]Another one making up his own laws. There is no legal requirement to use a bell. There isn't even a legal requirement to have a bell fitted. The law says an "audible means of warning" and the human voice meets that requirement. I have a bell on my bike, and I think it is better than shouting, but I have it and use it through choice.[/p][/quote]A lot of people believe that everything in the highway code is based on law - which it isn't. A lot of it is just recommended 'best-practise'. However, judges in civil law might tend to include non-legal recommendations ('should') when apportioning blame. petethefeet
  • Score: 4

2:37pm Wed 28 May 14

ouserunner says...

I worked in Holland. There, cyclists ring their bells periodically in city centres to warn pedestrians of their presence and drive considerately. Cyclists in York seem unable to find to find their bells or to steer, pedal and sound their bells at the same time. The cyclist publishing this video reveals himself as both self-righteous and thuggish.
I worked in Holland. There, cyclists ring their bells periodically in city centres to warn pedestrians of their presence and drive considerately. Cyclists in York seem unable to find to find their bells or to steer, pedal and sound their bells at the same time. The cyclist publishing this video reveals himself as both self-righteous and thuggish. ouserunner
  • Score: -19

2:41pm Wed 28 May 14

bolero says...

No comment from Peddling Paul? I wonder why? This cycling idiot pedalling hell for leather through a pedestrianised zone should be prosecuted. He obviously has no bell or other means of warning otherwise he would not need to shout and gesticulate at the pedestrians. As someone has already said, this sad so-and-so needs to get a life or a set of jig-saws to keep his little mind occupied
No comment from Peddling Paul? I wonder why? This cycling idiot pedalling hell for leather through a pedestrianised zone should be prosecuted. He obviously has no bell or other means of warning otherwise he would not need to shout and gesticulate at the pedestrians. As someone has already said, this sad so-and-so needs to get a life or a set of jig-saws to keep his little mind occupied bolero
  • Score: -17

2:42pm Wed 28 May 14

the original Homer says...

Maquis wrote:
What these videos show is the state of society and education these days.
No longer is it the case that you are taught to obey the highway / green cross code, but to have an accident is fine as long as you know who to blame for it.

We need to get back to teaching people to have respect for each other and being observant about the world and others around you, but as with most other things, it is easier to do nothing and blame someone else for your failing.
Yes, you are right about respect and observation.

The thing about right vs wrong is that someone else will often have a different view of right and wrong. Taking to its ultimate conclusion that would result in a lot of "accidents"

The camera-cyclist appears to avoid that ultimate conclusion, but only at the very last moment. His published videos clearly show the number of times he has been in the wrong but thought he was right. Thankfully he backs down before a collision.

In that respect, he is actually cycling responsibly.

The problem I have is that he (and the Press) seem to think all the clips show examples of bad road use. Most do, but In some cases the clips are demonising people who are doing nothing wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: What these videos show is the state of society and education these days. No longer is it the case that you are taught to obey the highway / green cross code, but to have an accident is fine as long as you know who to blame for it. We need to get back to teaching people to have respect for each other and being observant about the world and others around you, but as with most other things, it is easier to do nothing and blame someone else for your failing.[/p][/quote]Yes, you are right about respect and observation. The thing about right vs wrong is that someone else will often have a different view of right and wrong. Taking to its ultimate conclusion that would result in a lot of "accidents" The camera-cyclist appears to avoid that ultimate conclusion, but only at the very last moment. His published videos clearly show the number of times he has been in the wrong but thought he was right. Thankfully he backs down before a collision. In that respect, he is actually cycling responsibly. The problem I have is that he (and the Press) seem to think all the clips show examples of bad road use. Most do, but In some cases the clips are demonising people who are doing nothing wrong. the original Homer
  • Score: 9

2:43pm Wed 28 May 14

yawn.. says...

Honest, he should have an airhorn fitted.. that might wake some of them up.!
Honest, he should have an airhorn fitted.. that might wake some of them up.! yawn..
  • Score: 4

2:51pm Wed 28 May 14

Pinza-C55 says...

When did they change the rule about ringing your bell to shouting "silly man" or "hey" ?
When did they change the rule about ringing your bell to shouting "silly man" or "hey" ? Pinza-C55
  • Score: -16

2:56pm Wed 28 May 14

Maquis says...

the original Homer wrote:
Maquis wrote:
What these videos show is the state of society and education these days.
No longer is it the case that you are taught to obey the highway / green cross code, but to have an accident is fine as long as you know who to blame for it.

We need to get back to teaching people to have respect for each other and being observant about the world and others around you, but as with most other things, it is easier to do nothing and blame someone else for your failing.
Yes, you are right about respect and observation.

The thing about right vs wrong is that someone else will often have a different view of right and wrong. Taking to its ultimate conclusion that would result in a lot of "accidents"

The camera-cyclist appears to avoid that ultimate conclusion, but only at the very last moment. His published videos clearly show the number of times he has been in the wrong but thought he was right. Thankfully he backs down before a collision.

In that respect, he is actually cycling responsibly.

The problem I have is that he (and the Press) seem to think all the clips show examples of bad road use. Most do, but In some cases the clips are demonising people who are doing nothing wrong.
He might be doing nothing wrong legally, but responsibly is a different matter.

He is riding much faster than is safe given the circumstances i.e. the number of pedestrians and the fact that the streets he is riding on are pedestrianized for large parts of the day will result in confusion. The sensible and responsible thing to do would be to go slower.

There are also parts of the video where he clearly rides towards a pedestrian who is in the wrong place causing him / her to jump out of the way whereas he could easily have swerved to avoid them. This is an unnecessary lack of respect / tolerance.
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: What these videos show is the state of society and education these days. No longer is it the case that you are taught to obey the highway / green cross code, but to have an accident is fine as long as you know who to blame for it. We need to get back to teaching people to have respect for each other and being observant about the world and others around you, but as with most other things, it is easier to do nothing and blame someone else for your failing.[/p][/quote]Yes, you are right about respect and observation. The thing about right vs wrong is that someone else will often have a different view of right and wrong. Taking to its ultimate conclusion that would result in a lot of "accidents" The camera-cyclist appears to avoid that ultimate conclusion, but only at the very last moment. His published videos clearly show the number of times he has been in the wrong but thought he was right. Thankfully he backs down before a collision. In that respect, he is actually cycling responsibly. The problem I have is that he (and the Press) seem to think all the clips show examples of bad road use. Most do, but In some cases the clips are demonising people who are doing nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]He might be doing nothing wrong legally, but responsibly is a different matter. He is riding much faster than is safe given the circumstances i.e. the number of pedestrians and the fact that the streets he is riding on are pedestrianized for large parts of the day will result in confusion. The sensible and responsible thing to do would be to go slower. There are also parts of the video where he clearly rides towards a pedestrian who is in the wrong place causing him / her to jump out of the way whereas he could easily have swerved to avoid them. This is an unnecessary lack of respect / tolerance. Maquis
  • Score: -22

2:57pm Wed 28 May 14

pedalling paul says...

bolero wrote:
No comment from Peddling Paul? I wonder why? This cycling idiot pedalling hell for leather through a pedestrianised zone should be prosecuted. He obviously has no bell or other means of warning otherwise he would not need to shout and gesticulate at the pedestrians. As someone has already said, this sad so-and-so needs to get a life or a set of jig-saws to keep his little mind occupied
I'm here..........!! Just waiting for an opportune moment.

I've watched a lot of cyclist helmet cam footage, and one that sticks in my mind had a loud air horn, which he used to react to motor vehicle drivers who cut him up. Unfortunately one took exception and decked the cyclist. The motorist was later prosecuted for dangerous driving plus assault.

This family of footage shows that there are many falllible humans out there. Perhaps education needs to begin at an early age. Instead of schools being obliged to buy in pedestrian and cycle training from ever shrinking budgets, these life skills should be a core part of the national curriculum, along with first aid and swimming, and fully funded by central government. That might make future generations into more sensible citizens.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: No comment from Peddling Paul? I wonder why? This cycling idiot pedalling hell for leather through a pedestrianised zone should be prosecuted. He obviously has no bell or other means of warning otherwise he would not need to shout and gesticulate at the pedestrians. As someone has already said, this sad so-and-so needs to get a life or a set of jig-saws to keep his little mind occupied[/p][/quote]I'm here..........!! Just waiting for an opportune moment. I've watched a lot of cyclist helmet cam footage, and one that sticks in my mind had a loud air horn, which he used to react to motor vehicle drivers who cut him up. Unfortunately one took exception and decked the cyclist. The motorist was later prosecuted for dangerous driving plus assault. This family of footage shows that there are many falllible humans out there. Perhaps education needs to begin at an early age. Instead of schools being obliged to buy in pedestrian and cycle training from ever shrinking budgets, these life skills should be a core part of the national curriculum, along with first aid and swimming, and fully funded by central government. That might make future generations into more sensible citizens. pedalling paul
  • Score: 21

2:58pm Wed 28 May 14

Pinza-C55 says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
Yorkie41 wrote:
This person may have to watch privacy laws.
When in a public place there is no privacy.
That's incorrect. If you look on Google Earth all car numberplates and many people's faces are pixelated out.
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: This person may have to watch privacy laws.[/p][/quote]When in a public place there is no privacy.[/p][/quote]That's incorrect. If you look on Google Earth all car numberplates and many people's faces are pixelated out. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -14

3:04pm Wed 28 May 14

Lynz167 says...

York Castle wrote:
Lots of varying views on this cycling subject , 25 contributors who have commented, but no contribution from 'pedalling paul'? Very strange. Perhaps he is the secret cyclist with the webcam?
It's gotta be him hasn't it!!
[quote][p][bold]York Castle[/bold] wrote: Lots of varying views on this cycling subject , 25 contributors who have commented, but no contribution from 'pedalling paul'? Very strange. Perhaps he is the secret cyclist with the webcam?[/p][/quote]It's gotta be him hasn't it!! Lynz167
  • Score: -25

3:05pm Wed 28 May 14

pedalling paul says...

.and a cycle bell is not compulsory, but is a recommendation in the Highway Code. An audible warning device can include the cyclists own voice!!
.and a cycle bell is not compulsory, but is a recommendation in the Highway Code. An audible warning device can include the cyclists own voice!! pedalling paul
  • Score: 51

3:11pm Wed 28 May 14

Pinza-C55 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
.and a cycle bell is not compulsory, but is a recommendation in the Highway Code. An audible warning device can include the cyclists own voice!!
Many of the tourists in York are foreign. A bell sounds the same in any language but "silly man" is just a noise to a Cantonese speaking tourist.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: .and a cycle bell is not compulsory, but is a recommendation in the Highway Code. An audible warning device can include the cyclists own voice!![/p][/quote]Many of the tourists in York are foreign. A bell sounds the same in any language but "silly man" is just a noise to a Cantonese speaking tourist. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 9

3:14pm Wed 28 May 14

petethefeet says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
.and a cycle bell is not compulsory, but is a recommendation in the Highway Code. An audible warning device can include the cyclists own voice!!
Many of the tourists in York are foreign. A bell sounds the same in any language but "silly man" is just a noise to a Cantonese speaking tourist.
I know a few 4-letter words that are well known in many languages!
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: .and a cycle bell is not compulsory, but is a recommendation in the Highway Code. An audible warning device can include the cyclists own voice!![/p][/quote]Many of the tourists in York are foreign. A bell sounds the same in any language but "silly man" is just a noise to a Cantonese speaking tourist.[/p][/quote]I know a few 4-letter words that are well known in many languages! petethefeet
  • Score: 2

3:18pm Wed 28 May 14

imassey says...

mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
Right, first of all, who are you referring to when you say "we"? You name nobody else in your comments, nor refer to any other group, by which I must assume that Her Majesty has started commenting on this site. Ma'am.

Secondly, my parroting of your first four words is supposed to show how blusteringly official they come across as.
[quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]Right, first of all, who are you referring to when you say "we"? You name nobody else in your comments, nor refer to any other group, by which I must assume that Her Majesty has started commenting on this site. Ma'am. Secondly, my parroting of your first four words is supposed to show how blusteringly official they come across as. imassey
  • Score: -10

3:26pm Wed 28 May 14

piemagico says...

I'm a regular cyclist but have to agree with many others - the guy is going way too fast.
I'm a regular cyclist but have to agree with many others - the guy is going way too fast. piemagico
  • Score: 20

3:35pm Wed 28 May 14

YorkShrimper says...

gjh wrote:
mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
I just renewed the "tax" on my car, it is zero because I drive a low emission vehicle. If I had to tax my bicycle it would also be zero, but would cost the state to implement the scheme. A vehicle takes up road space, damages the fabric of the highway, pollutes the environment and burns the world's resources. It is not unreasonable to pay for doing this. A cyclist does not do these things; you should be thanking them.
So your "low emission" car does not use up road space, damage the fabric of the highway, pollute the the environment or use up the worlds resources? I don't disagree with your sentiment, but the argument doesn't back this up.
[quote][p][bold]gjh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]I just renewed the "tax" on my car, it is zero because I drive a low emission vehicle. If I had to tax my bicycle it would also be zero, but would cost the state to implement the scheme. A vehicle takes up road space, damages the fabric of the highway, pollutes the environment and burns the world's resources. It is not unreasonable to pay for doing this. A cyclist does not do these things; you should be thanking them.[/p][/quote]So your "low emission" car does not use up road space, damage the fabric of the highway, pollute the the environment or use up the worlds resources? I don't disagree with your sentiment, but the argument doesn't back this up. YorkShrimper
  • Score: 4

3:38pm Wed 28 May 14

petethefeet says...

I use to use the E-W route through Pavement - Coppergate - Ouse Bridge regularly and I felt, in this direction at least, compelled to keep up with traffic so I could easily veer over to the right to turn right at the top of Coppergate & into North Street, otherwise you get marooned on the left. It follows that if you want to slow cyclists down then you need to slow motorists down to the same speed. On that route "10's plenty"
I use to use the E-W route through Pavement - Coppergate - Ouse Bridge regularly and I felt, in this direction at least, compelled to keep up with traffic so I could easily veer over to the right to turn right at the top of Coppergate & into North Street, otherwise you get marooned on the left. It follows that if you want to slow cyclists down then you need to slow motorists down to the same speed. On that route "10's plenty" petethefeet
  • Score: -7

3:47pm Wed 28 May 14

The OX says...

pedalling paul wrote:
.and a cycle bell is not compulsory, but is a recommendation in the Highway Code. An audible warning device can include the cyclists own voice!!
And dont you think this recommendation would have helped in most of the near misses in the video then, and riding at a lower speed in busy areas ??
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: .and a cycle bell is not compulsory, but is a recommendation in the Highway Code. An audible warning device can include the cyclists own voice!![/p][/quote]And dont you think this recommendation would have helped in most of the near misses in the video then, and riding at a lower speed in busy areas ?? The OX
  • Score: -1

4:01pm Wed 28 May 14

Yorkphotographer says...

and yes you can publish photos of anyone you like in a public space as long as you have the copy write which remains with the creator of the works.
and yes you can publish photos of anyone you like in a public space as long as you have the copy write which remains with the creator of the works. Yorkphotographer
  • Score: 1

4:05pm Wed 28 May 14

MarkyMarkMark says...

the original Homer wrote:
The OX wrote:
Not once did he use a bell on his bike, it is a legal requirement by Law, to use to warn others that they are there, not shout out. that could be anyone
Another one making up his own laws.

There is no legal requirement to use a bell.

There isn't even a legal requirement to have a bell fitted. The law says an "audible means of warning" and the human voice meets that requirement.

I have a bell on my bike, and I think it is better than shouting, but I have it and use it through choice.
As other's may have mentioned, ringing a bell seems to provoke a 50/50 chance of being sworn at, even when it's a "polite" ping as opposed to an aggressive "jangle jangle".

I do love the idea of an air horn but I suspect it'd cause more pedestrians to freeze into panic struck immobility than get out of the way!

Of course, not much works when the pedestrian in question has their eyes glued to a phone and headphones plugged into their ears at high volume (thwacking round the back of the head being frowned upon).
Same is true of any road user, just not so obvious with motorists.

I'd like to see this film at "normal" speed without the slow motion segments - I suspect it'd show people just how quick cyclists (even quite slow ones) whip can past.

BTW - this behaviour isn't limited to the city streets. It happens in the suburbs and more surprisingly, on the designated cycle paths.

Bottom line - most pedestrians don't realise being hit at approx 12MPH by 14+stone of cyclist focused through the sharp bits of the handlebars will hurt. And will hurt your toddler or dog too, with proportionately greater effects depending on their mass. (Newton's first law of motion applies here.)

And the majority of the population won't have much ability to judge relative speeds and how fast 12MPH (fairly moderate speed, but typically 4 or 5 times faster than walking) actually is!

So, I now assume all pedestrians are deaf & blind, all dogs and children are out of control, all motorists are distracted and potentially murderous, no other cyclist has my level of care and attention, and people in general are stupid. Depressing, or what?
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The OX[/bold] wrote: Not once did he use a bell on his bike, it is a legal requirement by Law, to use to warn others that they are there, not shout out. that could be anyone[/p][/quote]Another one making up his own laws. There is no legal requirement to use a bell. There isn't even a legal requirement to have a bell fitted. The law says an "audible means of warning" and the human voice meets that requirement. I have a bell on my bike, and I think it is better than shouting, but I have it and use it through choice.[/p][/quote]As other's may have mentioned, ringing a bell seems to provoke a 50/50 chance of being sworn at, even when it's a "polite" ping as opposed to an aggressive "jangle jangle". I do love the idea of an air horn but I suspect it'd cause more pedestrians to freeze into panic struck immobility than get out of the way! Of course, not much works when the pedestrian in question has their eyes glued to a phone and headphones plugged into their ears at high volume (thwacking round the back of the head being frowned upon). Same is true of any road user, just not so obvious with motorists. I'd like to see this film at "normal" speed without the slow motion segments - I suspect it'd show people just how quick cyclists (even quite slow ones) whip can past. BTW - this behaviour isn't limited to the city streets. It happens in the suburbs and more surprisingly, on the designated cycle paths. Bottom line - most pedestrians don't realise being hit at approx 12MPH by 14+stone of cyclist focused through the sharp bits of the handlebars will hurt. And will hurt your toddler or dog too, with proportionately greater effects depending on their mass. (Newton's first law of motion applies here.) And the majority of the population won't have much ability to judge relative speeds and how fast 12MPH (fairly moderate speed, but typically 4 or 5 times faster than walking) actually is! So, I now assume all pedestrians are deaf & blind, all dogs and children are out of control, all motorists are distracted and potentially murderous, no other cyclist has my level of care and attention, and people in general are stupid. Depressing, or what? MarkyMarkMark
  • Score: 8

4:07pm Wed 28 May 14

Hicarrumba says...

mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
Same old same old,
Bikes:
Need road tax (no such thing)
A registration(pedestr
ians too?)
Slow down (cars go faster)
Watch where they are going(pedestrians too and car users and buses)
Don't Skip lights(pedestrians too)
Don't ride on pavements, totally agree (Pedestrians don't wander in roads, totally agree)

Is there any point in going on? I cycle I drive I walk I also look where I am going whatever I am doing.

Never approach a road without looking, a horse from behind, a cow from the front but watch for idiots in any direction.

Thumbs down time probably but its always the same
[quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]Same old same old, Bikes: Need road tax (no such thing) A registration(pedestr ians too?) Slow down (cars go faster) Watch where they are going(pedestrians too and car users and buses) Don't Skip lights(pedestrians too) Don't ride on pavements, totally agree (Pedestrians don't wander in roads, totally agree) Is there any point in going on? I cycle I drive I walk I also look where I am going whatever I am doing. Never approach a road without looking, a horse from behind, a cow from the front but watch for idiots in any direction. Thumbs down time probably but its always the same Hicarrumba
  • Score: 17

4:19pm Wed 28 May 14

Doeplayer says...

At no time during this video do you hear a bell being rung by the cyclist to alert the pedestrians. As a long time York resident we are used to tourists etc walking in town often on the road and accommodate them. As usual with the cycling lobby, they believe are right and only they are allowed to use the road. If someone is crossing the road with their back to an approaching bike it is up to the cyclist to let the person know that he is there. He is cycling too fast for the conditions, is silent and almost aggressive in his road use.
At no time during this video do you hear a bell being rung by the cyclist to alert the pedestrians. As a long time York resident we are used to tourists etc walking in town often on the road and accommodate them. As usual with the cycling lobby, they believe are right and only they are allowed to use the road. If someone is crossing the road with their back to an approaching bike it is up to the cyclist to let the person know that he is there. He is cycling too fast for the conditions, is silent and almost aggressive in his road use. Doeplayer
  • Score: 1

4:28pm Wed 28 May 14

MarkyMarkMark says...

Doeplayer wrote:
At no time during this video do you hear a bell being rung by the cyclist to alert the pedestrians. As a long time York resident we are used to tourists etc walking in town often on the road and accommodate them. As usual with the cycling lobby, they believe are right and only they are allowed to use the road. If someone is crossing the road with their back to an approaching bike it is up to the cyclist to let the person know that he is there. He is cycling too fast for the conditions, is silent and almost aggressive in his road use.
Maybe not saying much you can hear....;-) but I bet he wasn't silent.
I also suspect he wasn't actually going that fast. See previous posts.

Shouting at people winds them up. Ringing a bell even more so, it seems.

And I'd be a wealthy man if I had a £1 for every time a pedestrian or motorist has looked at me and then proceeded to do something stupid/dangerous. I think we all have a cyclist shaped blind-spot.
[quote][p][bold]Doeplayer[/bold] wrote: At no time during this video do you hear a bell being rung by the cyclist to alert the pedestrians. As a long time York resident we are used to tourists etc walking in town often on the road and accommodate them. As usual with the cycling lobby, they believe are right and only they are allowed to use the road. If someone is crossing the road with their back to an approaching bike it is up to the cyclist to let the person know that he is there. He is cycling too fast for the conditions, is silent and almost aggressive in his road use.[/p][/quote]Maybe not saying much you can hear....;-) but I bet he wasn't silent. I also suspect he wasn't actually going that fast. See previous posts. Shouting at people winds them up. Ringing a bell even more so, it seems. And I'd be a wealthy man if I had a £1 for every time a pedestrian or motorist has looked at me and then proceeded to do something stupid/dangerous. I think we all have a cyclist shaped blind-spot. MarkyMarkMark
  • Score: 13

4:35pm Wed 28 May 14

turbosview says...

what a clot, riding far to fast and straight at people,people in town are going to do the unexepected, no road sense, no anticipation . davygate has a sign telling cyclists to dismount and you are there shouting silly man,you are the silly man.just another richard head cyclist
what a clot, riding far to fast and straight at people,people in town are going to do the unexepected, no road sense, no anticipation . davygate has a sign telling cyclists to dismount and you are there shouting silly man,you are the silly man.just another richard head cyclist turbosview
  • Score: 4

4:36pm Wed 28 May 14

pedalling paul says...

Lynz167 wrote:
York Castle wrote:
Lots of varying views on this cycling subject , 25 contributors who have commented, but no contribution from 'pedalling paul'? Very strange. Perhaps he is the secret cyclist with the webcam?
It's gotta be him hasn't it!!
Oh no I'm not.......but I've decided that I'd like one for Christmas please.
[quote][p][bold]Lynz167[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York Castle[/bold] wrote: Lots of varying views on this cycling subject , 25 contributors who have commented, but no contribution from 'pedalling paul'? Very strange. Perhaps he is the secret cyclist with the webcam?[/p][/quote]It's gotta be him hasn't it!![/p][/quote]Oh no I'm not.......but I've decided that I'd like one for Christmas please. pedalling paul
  • Score: 2

4:53pm Wed 28 May 14

wildthing666 says...

I waas nearly accros a road once when a cyclist appeared from nowhere clearly thinking he had right of way. Nearly knocking me over, a car driver would have stopped to let me finish crossing the road, a lot of cyclists clearly think they own the roads.
I waas nearly accros a road once when a cyclist appeared from nowhere clearly thinking he had right of way. Nearly knocking me over, a car driver would have stopped to let me finish crossing the road, a lot of cyclists clearly think they own the roads. wildthing666
  • Score: 12

4:56pm Wed 28 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

This sanctimonious cyclist should be banned from the press pages, just who the heck does he/she think they are? what right does he/she have in publishing these videos, they are not just seen in this country but around the world on YouTube, what a complete and utter prat!!!!!
This sanctimonious cyclist should be banned from the press pages, just who the heck does he/she think they are? what right does he/she have in publishing these videos, they are not just seen in this country but around the world on YouTube, what a complete and utter prat!!!!! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 10

5:00pm Wed 28 May 14

petethefeet says...

wildthing666 wrote:
I waas nearly accros a road once when a cyclist appeared from nowhere clearly thinking he had right of way. Nearly knocking me over, a car driver would have stopped to let me finish crossing the road, a lot of cyclists clearly think they own the roads.
It's the same with many road users. If you hit a pedestrian then, prima-facially, you are at fault. Furthermore, the Highway Code states that, on turning, give-way to pedestrians already crossing. I'll bet the majority of drivers/riders are unaware of this?
[quote][p][bold]wildthing666[/bold] wrote: I waas nearly accros a road once when a cyclist appeared from nowhere clearly thinking he had right of way. Nearly knocking me over, a car driver would have stopped to let me finish crossing the road, a lot of cyclists clearly think they own the roads.[/p][/quote]It's the same with many road users. If you hit a pedestrian then, prima-facially, you are at fault. Furthermore, the Highway Code states that, on turning, give-way to pedestrians already crossing. I'll bet the majority of drivers/riders are unaware of this? petethefeet
  • Score: 2

5:04pm Wed 28 May 14

petethefeet says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
This sanctimonious cyclist should be banned from the press pages, just who the heck does he/she think they are? what right does he/she have in publishing these videos, they are not just seen in this country but around the world on YouTube, what a complete and utter prat!!!!!
and who promoted you to despotic potentate?
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: This sanctimonious cyclist should be banned from the press pages, just who the heck does he/she think they are? what right does he/she have in publishing these videos, they are not just seen in this country but around the world on YouTube, what a complete and utter prat!!!!![/p][/quote]and who promoted you to despotic potentate? petethefeet
  • Score: -1

5:07pm Wed 28 May 14

petethefeet says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Lynz167 wrote:
York Castle wrote:
Lots of varying views on this cycling subject , 25 contributors who have commented, but no contribution from 'pedalling paul'? Very strange. Perhaps he is the secret cyclist with the webcam?
It's gotta be him hasn't it!!
Oh no I'm not.......but I've decided that I'd like one for Christmas please.
Ask Santa for one of those airzound air-horns at the same time. Your popularity will soar!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lynz167[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York Castle[/bold] wrote: Lots of varying views on this cycling subject , 25 contributors who have commented, but no contribution from 'pedalling paul'? Very strange. Perhaps he is the secret cyclist with the webcam?[/p][/quote]It's gotta be him hasn't it!![/p][/quote]Oh no I'm not.......but I've decided that I'd like one for Christmas please.[/p][/quote]Ask Santa for one of those airzound air-horns at the same time. Your popularity will soar! petethefeet
  • Score: 6

5:08pm Wed 28 May 14

holyroller says...

Just slow down.
Just slow down. holyroller
  • Score: -2

5:11pm Wed 28 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

wildthing666 wrote:
I waas nearly accros a road once when a cyclist appeared from nowhere clearly thinking he had right of way. Nearly knocking me over, a car driver would have stopped to let me finish crossing the road, a lot of cyclists clearly think they own the roads.
A car driver has to give way to you as you were already crossing and had the right of way, it's in the Highway Code so presumably it should apply to a cyclist as well.
[quote][p][bold]wildthing666[/bold] wrote: I waas nearly accros a road once when a cyclist appeared from nowhere clearly thinking he had right of way. Nearly knocking me over, a car driver would have stopped to let me finish crossing the road, a lot of cyclists clearly think they own the roads.[/p][/quote]A car driver has to give way to you as you were already crossing and had the right of way, it's in the Highway Code so presumably it should apply to a cyclist as well. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 10

5:18pm Wed 28 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

petethefeet wrote:
notpedallingpaul wrote:
This sanctimonious cyclist should be banned from the press pages, just who the heck does he/she think they are? what right does he/she have in publishing these videos, they are not just seen in this country but around the world on YouTube, what a complete and utter prat!!!!!
and who promoted you to despotic potentate?
You don't do so bad yourself, did you look up 'despotic potentate' before you put in your comment, I'm sure your not that clever.
[quote][p][bold]petethefeet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: This sanctimonious cyclist should be banned from the press pages, just who the heck does he/she think they are? what right does he/she have in publishing these videos, they are not just seen in this country but around the world on YouTube, what a complete and utter prat!!!!![/p][/quote]and who promoted you to despotic potentate?[/p][/quote]You don't do so bad yourself, did you look up 'despotic potentate' before you put in your comment, I'm sure your not that clever. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -14

5:22pm Wed 28 May 14

mmarshal says...

I see at the end a comment for 'another donkey;' is that the real donkey on the footpath and the other beneath the head camera?
As a motorist, pedestrian and cyclist, I think helmet-cam cyclist seems to rank amongst the arrogant road users.
There may also be some breach of the Regulations of Investigatory Powers Act regarding misuse of cameras.
I see at the end a comment for 'another donkey;' is that the real donkey on the footpath and the other beneath the head camera? As a motorist, pedestrian and cyclist, I think helmet-cam cyclist seems to rank amongst the arrogant road users. There may also be some breach of the Regulations of Investigatory Powers Act regarding misuse of cameras. mmarshal
  • Score: -8

5:27pm Wed 28 May 14

petethefeet says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
petethefeet wrote:
notpedallingpaul wrote:
This sanctimonious cyclist should be banned from the press pages, just who the heck does he/she think they are? what right does he/she have in publishing these videos, they are not just seen in this country but around the world on YouTube, what a complete and utter prat!!!!!
and who promoted you to despotic potentate?
You don't do so bad yourself, did you look up 'despotic potentate' before you put in your comment, I'm sure your not that clever.
actually, I did check on 'potentate' just to make sure it was appropriate - it means somebody with 'potent', even 'supreme' power. I was pretty certain on despotic, but just to make sure... it means dictatorial & arbitrary. Quite appropriate for the "shouldn't be allowed" brigade don't you think?
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]petethefeet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: This sanctimonious cyclist should be banned from the press pages, just who the heck does he/she think they are? what right does he/she have in publishing these videos, they are not just seen in this country but around the world on YouTube, what a complete and utter prat!!!!![/p][/quote]and who promoted you to despotic potentate?[/p][/quote]You don't do so bad yourself, did you look up 'despotic potentate' before you put in your comment, I'm sure your not that clever.[/p][/quote]actually, I did check on 'potentate' just to make sure it was appropriate - it means somebody with 'potent', even 'supreme' power. I was pretty certain on despotic, but just to make sure... it means dictatorial & arbitrary. Quite appropriate for the "shouldn't be allowed" brigade don't you think? petethefeet
  • Score: -5

5:38pm Wed 28 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

mmarshal wrote:
I see at the end a comment for 'another donkey;' is that the real donkey on the footpath and the other beneath the head camera?
As a motorist, pedestrian and cyclist, I think helmet-cam cyclist seems to rank amongst the arrogant road users.
There may also be some breach of the Regulations of Investigatory Powers Act regarding misuse of cameras.
These cameras are brilliant, I have one in my car, but your always going to get those who use them for reasons other than what they were intended for.
[quote][p][bold]mmarshal[/bold] wrote: I see at the end a comment for 'another donkey;' is that the real donkey on the footpath and the other beneath the head camera? As a motorist, pedestrian and cyclist, I think helmet-cam cyclist seems to rank amongst the arrogant road users. There may also be some breach of the Regulations of Investigatory Powers Act regarding misuse of cameras.[/p][/quote]These cameras are brilliant, I have one in my car, but your always going to get those who use them for reasons other than what they were intended for. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -17

5:41pm Wed 28 May 14

petethefeet says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
mmarshal wrote:
I see at the end a comment for 'another donkey;' is that the real donkey on the footpath and the other beneath the head camera?
As a motorist, pedestrian and cyclist, I think helmet-cam cyclist seems to rank amongst the arrogant road users.
There may also be some breach of the Regulations of Investigatory Powers Act regarding misuse of cameras.
These cameras are brilliant, I have one in my car, but your always going to get those who use them for reasons other than what they were intended for.
They are very common in Russia where most drivers are lunatics. They came in handy when that meteorite impacted. Most of the footage came from them!
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mmarshal[/bold] wrote: I see at the end a comment for 'another donkey;' is that the real donkey on the footpath and the other beneath the head camera? As a motorist, pedestrian and cyclist, I think helmet-cam cyclist seems to rank amongst the arrogant road users. There may also be some breach of the Regulations of Investigatory Powers Act regarding misuse of cameras.[/p][/quote]These cameras are brilliant, I have one in my car, but your always going to get those who use them for reasons other than what they were intended for.[/p][/quote]They are very common in Russia where most drivers are lunatics. They came in handy when that meteorite impacted. Most of the footage came from them! petethefeet
  • Score: 2

5:44pm Wed 28 May 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Like many of the helmet cam brigade, be they cyclist or otherwise, you can see this is another one just looking for trouble. I like the way he appears to aim straight at people regardless of how much space there is. As someone commented above most car drivers would not behave like this they would know this could happen and would take more care. I suppose because he is on a bike his sense of the damage he could cause is reduced and therefore it makes him more reckless. I saw a cyclist hit someone the other day at speed on a junction. He was travelling at about 3 x the speed of the cars going through giving no indication as to his intended direction and emerged to turn right after undertaking the cars from up the inside unseen by the pedestrian. The bone crunching thud was not something you would want to hear every day.
Like many of the helmet cam brigade, be they cyclist or otherwise, you can see this is another one just looking for trouble. I like the way he appears to aim straight at people regardless of how much space there is. As someone commented above most car drivers would not behave like this they would know this could happen and would take more care. I suppose because he is on a bike his sense of the damage he could cause is reduced and therefore it makes him more reckless. I saw a cyclist hit someone the other day at speed on a junction. He was travelling at about 3 x the speed of the cars going through giving no indication as to his intended direction and emerged to turn right after undertaking the cars from up the inside unseen by the pedestrian. The bone crunching thud was not something you would want to hear every day. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 12

5:53pm Wed 28 May 14

petethefeet says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
Like many of the helmet cam brigade, be they cyclist or otherwise, you can see this is another one just looking for trouble. I like the way he appears to aim straight at people regardless of how much space there is. As someone commented above most car drivers would not behave like this they would know this could happen and would take more care. I suppose because he is on a bike his sense of the damage he could cause is reduced and therefore it makes him more reckless. I saw a cyclist hit someone the other day at speed on a junction. He was travelling at about 3 x the speed of the cars going through giving no indication as to his intended direction and emerged to turn right after undertaking the cars from up the inside unseen by the pedestrian. The bone crunching thud was not something you would want to hear every day.
Well the guy is just an idiot. If a car had rolled over him then, trust me, the crunching of his bones would be 10 times worse. Hopefully, natural selection will remove them from the gene-pool.
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Like many of the helmet cam brigade, be they cyclist or otherwise, you can see this is another one just looking for trouble. I like the way he appears to aim straight at people regardless of how much space there is. As someone commented above most car drivers would not behave like this they would know this could happen and would take more care. I suppose because he is on a bike his sense of the damage he could cause is reduced and therefore it makes him more reckless. I saw a cyclist hit someone the other day at speed on a junction. He was travelling at about 3 x the speed of the cars going through giving no indication as to his intended direction and emerged to turn right after undertaking the cars from up the inside unseen by the pedestrian. The bone crunching thud was not something you would want to hear every day.[/p][/quote]Well the guy is just an idiot. If a car had rolled over him then, trust me, the crunching of his bones would be 10 times worse. Hopefully, natural selection will remove them from the gene-pool. petethefeet
  • Score: 1

5:54pm Wed 28 May 14

bravo whisky says...

York council can be partly to blame for pedestrians falling foul of this attention seeking idiot on two wheels, who the hell does he think he is wanting to remain anonymous, the Stig, I say the council as it was them who have created the mish-mash of pedestrianized streets at certain times of the day, one picture in the Press shows pedestrians walking in Blake Street, when one looks at the short shadows cast, this has to be around midday, so what was madcam man doing riding in Blake street at that time anyway, he should have been stopped and fined.
York council can be partly to blame for pedestrians falling foul of this attention seeking idiot on two wheels, who the hell does he think he is wanting to remain anonymous, the Stig, I say the council as it was them who have created the mish-mash of pedestrianized streets at certain times of the day, one picture in the Press shows pedestrians walking in Blake Street, when one looks at the short shadows cast, this has to be around midday, so what was madcam man doing riding in Blake street at that time anyway, he should have been stopped and fined. bravo whisky
  • Score: 12

6:43pm Wed 28 May 14

boats magee says...

This guy is a bloody idiot. Shouting 'hey hey' at people and making them panic and not know which way to go is probably more dangerous than simply cycling quietly around them and showing a bit of patience. I cycle through York everyday and haven't encountered half as many problems as this jumped on twerp on a power trip has. I've seen him (or one of his like) riding right up behind people who are on the road to make a point when it would have been ten times easier to simply cycle round them. An absolute idiot!!!
This guy is a bloody idiot. Shouting 'hey hey' at people and making them panic and not know which way to go is probably more dangerous than simply cycling quietly around them and showing a bit of patience. I cycle through York everyday and haven't encountered half as many problems as this jumped on twerp on a power trip has. I've seen him (or one of his like) riding right up behind people who are on the road to make a point when it would have been ten times easier to simply cycle round them. An absolute idiot!!! boats magee
  • Score: 18

6:50pm Wed 28 May 14

bolero says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Lynz167 wrote:
York Castle wrote:
Lots of varying views on this cycling subject , 25 contributors who have commented, but no contribution from 'pedalling paul'? Very strange. Perhaps he is the secret cyclist with the webcam?
It's gotta be him hasn't it!!
Oh no I'm not.......but I've decided that I'd like one for Christmas please.
With a bit of luck somebody might give you one before Christmas, and even a webcam.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lynz167[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York Castle[/bold] wrote: Lots of varying views on this cycling subject , 25 contributors who have commented, but no contribution from 'pedalling paul'? Very strange. Perhaps he is the secret cyclist with the webcam?[/p][/quote]It's gotta be him hasn't it!![/p][/quote]Oh no I'm not.......but I've decided that I'd like one for Christmas please.[/p][/quote]With a bit of luck somebody might give you one before Christmas, and even a webcam. bolero
  • Score: 5

7:04pm Wed 28 May 14

Dave Ruddock says...

while were all ranting and raving about (bell, voice) and this particular person and looking at the footage believe this fellow was just out to get his camera footage on this site. (Any Press comment) .

Also the police in their wonderful wisdom do not care about Cycles, weather ridden correctly, lights etc and what ever warning (bell or Voice) . If it was a motor vehicle then the police might be interested. This particular rider is shown as a sports rider in the city. also in a pedestrian is involved in a accident and on the phone , who gets the blame, Cyclists (Normally young teenagers to young adults) who do use city pavements and cause havoc to all others ) any comments on those .
while were all ranting and raving about (bell, voice) and this particular person and looking at the footage believe this fellow was just out to get his camera footage on this site. (Any Press comment) . Also the police in their wonderful wisdom do not care about Cycles, weather ridden correctly, lights etc and what ever warning (bell or Voice) . If it was a motor vehicle then the police might be interested. This particular rider is shown as a sports rider in the city. also in a pedestrian is involved in a accident and on the phone , who gets the blame, Cyclists (Normally young teenagers to young adults) who do use city pavements and cause havoc to all others ) any comments on those . Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -10

7:20pm Wed 28 May 14

whitehorse says...

Stop Press! Absolute tool of a cyclist asserts his mastery of the city's roads and streets. Look on with disgust as idiotic pedestrians fail to make way for his huge ego. Following hard on the heels of volume one in which he does the same thing with cars.

Note to the pedal powered prat. You don't own the roads. Other people have a right to use them. As a city, York caters for pedestrians and cars. You don't have a god given right to abuse the city as a race track. You're more ignorant than the people you film.

Learn to co-exist. I would personally pay more money for volume 3- idiots on bikes.
Stop Press! Absolute tool of a cyclist asserts his mastery of the city's roads and streets. Look on with disgust as idiotic pedestrians fail to make way for his huge ego. Following hard on the heels of volume one in which he does the same thing with cars. Note to the pedal powered prat. You don't own the roads. Other people have a right to use them. As a city, York caters for pedestrians and cars. You don't have a god given right to abuse the city as a race track. You're more ignorant than the people you film. Learn to co-exist. I would personally pay more money for volume 3- idiots on bikes. whitehorse
  • Score: -9

7:35pm Wed 28 May 14

whitehorse says...

Come on Press. You have to publish this one from the same author.
http://youtu.be/stiq
JsvPoZ0
Come on Press. You have to publish this one from the same author. http://youtu.be/stiq JsvPoZ0 whitehorse
  • Score: 0

7:44pm Wed 28 May 14

whitehorse says...

Look what I found! Another volume. Divs on bikes. He can be sanctimonious about his pedalling pals too

http://youtu.be/L7Ym
nfwsCQs
Look what I found! Another volume. Divs on bikes. He can be sanctimonious about his pedalling pals too http://youtu.be/L7Ym nfwsCQs whitehorse
  • Score: 1

7:50pm Wed 28 May 14

Dr Brian says...

Strange how the press respect the wish of this fool riding a bike far to fast but were quick to publish the name of the person arrested (and then released) on suspicion of Claudia's murder?

Double standards by our beloved local rag (printed in Bradford and hardly helping the York economy!)
Strange how the press respect the wish of this fool riding a bike far to fast but were quick to publish the name of the person arrested (and then released) on suspicion of Claudia's murder? Double standards by our beloved local rag (printed in Bradford and hardly helping the York economy!) Dr Brian
  • Score: 1

7:53pm Wed 28 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Good range of conflicting comments. Bells/horns etc are not much use to those who are deaf, daft, crapulent, or engaged listening to music etc.

When was a cyclist last fined for riding on a pavement that was NOT designated for such activity.( Or indeed cycling through red lights!)

Are the council's cycle routes fully compliant with the Traffic and general directions regs 2002, and the traffic manual?


All travellers should be educated in travel's problems, and have aids as required. It is not going to be 100%.

What will he film next? Busy shoppers who can't drive trolleys! Or the peacocks going into Lendal for a walk! Or the quiet mobility vehicles.
Good range of conflicting comments. Bells/horns etc are not much use to those who are deaf, daft, crapulent, or engaged listening to music etc. When was a cyclist last fined for riding on a pavement that was NOT designated for such activity.( Or indeed cycling through red lights!) Are the council's cycle routes fully compliant with the Traffic and general directions regs 2002, and the traffic manual? All travellers should be educated in travel's problems, and have aids as required. It is not going to be 100%. What will he film next? Busy shoppers who can't drive trolleys! Or the peacocks going into Lendal for a walk! Or the quiet mobility vehicles. Cheeky face
  • Score: 6

8:05pm Wed 28 May 14

Cheeky face says...

If cyclists had a mandatory requirement to have a ref no on their cycles then "cash cow" councils would consider PCN action. But what admin cost would that be!

Cycle routes, with poor signage, in the city are complicated enough now. Let's see what happens when reputedly safer cyclists arrive for the imminent cycle event!

Dr Brian dead right.
If cyclists had a mandatory requirement to have a ref no on their cycles then "cash cow" councils would consider PCN action. But what admin cost would that be! Cycle routes, with poor signage, in the city are complicated enough now. Let's see what happens when reputedly safer cyclists arrive for the imminent cycle event! Dr Brian dead right. Cheeky face
  • Score: 4

8:29pm Wed 28 May 14

councilsconscience says...

I had the biggest, loudest Dutch made bell I could find fitted a few years ago on my bike. If you hear it you'll defiantly move out of my way.
I had the biggest, loudest Dutch made bell I could find fitted a few years ago on my bike. If you hear it you'll defiantly move out of my way. councilsconscience
  • Score: -2

8:40pm Wed 28 May 14

yorkandproud says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
I think the massage here is, from a lot of cases in the vid and also what i have experienced, it the MOBILE phone is used and distracts people , weather in a motor vehicle, bike cycle or pedestrian, from their surroundings. also like to point out years ago there was the pedestrian road code, look and see what is around you before crossing, Yes this cyclist should use a bell (i thought it was law) and he does seem to be a Race Rider type of guy, so yes Slow Down. and one last thing, ALL PEOPLE should be aware of what roads where made for (Traffic) weather a horse and cart or a double decker bus.
For heavens sake Dave, please check your spelling.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: I think the massage here is, from a lot of cases in the vid and also what i have experienced, it the MOBILE phone is used and distracts people , weather in a motor vehicle, bike cycle or pedestrian, from their surroundings. also like to point out years ago there was the pedestrian road code, look and see what is around you before crossing, Yes this cyclist should use a bell (i thought it was law) and he does seem to be a Race Rider type of guy, so yes Slow Down. and one last thing, ALL PEOPLE should be aware of what roads where made for (Traffic) weather a horse and cart or a double decker bus.[/p][/quote]For heavens sake Dave, please check your spelling. yorkandproud
  • Score: 2

8:40pm Wed 28 May 14

bolero says...

councilsconscience wrote:
I had the biggest, loudest Dutch made bell I could find fitted a few years ago on my bike. If you hear it you'll defiantly move out of my way.
Is that definitely defiantly or defiantly definitely?
[quote][p][bold]councilsconscience[/bold] wrote: I had the biggest, loudest Dutch made bell I could find fitted a few years ago on my bike. If you hear it you'll defiantly move out of my way.[/p][/quote]Is that definitely defiantly or defiantly definitely? bolero
  • Score: 4

9:42pm Wed 28 May 14

jake777 says...

mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
You cant just blame Bikes, pedestrians are as bad just take a look next time you are sat in traffic, more so when at traffic lights with a red man. They will walk out in front of any moving vehicle simply because they cant wait for it to change to green, coppergate they will walk up coppergate with their backs to traffic on the road and then when they get clipped play hell with the vehicle driver. Ask a pedestrian about the highway code and they wont give you an answer again because they have never read one if people wont obey the simple rules of the highway no matter who then the problem will never go away.
[quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]You cant just blame Bikes, pedestrians are as bad just take a look next time you are sat in traffic, more so when at traffic lights with a red man. They will walk out in front of any moving vehicle simply because they cant wait for it to change to green, coppergate they will walk up coppergate with their backs to traffic on the road and then when they get clipped play hell with the vehicle driver. Ask a pedestrian about the highway code and they wont give you an answer again because they have never read one if people wont obey the simple rules of the highway no matter who then the problem will never go away. jake777
  • Score: -11

9:52pm Wed 28 May 14

holden79 says...

Well I'll have you all know I duly read all your comments first THEN watched the video.

I expected to be seething with blind rage at this sanctimonious cyclist but COME ON he really isn't going that fast at all - I've said it for years - people think just because York is a walled city once you get inside it's a bleedin' themepark or something.

In fairness I don't think the pedestrians are daft - they're just not on the look out for a silent vehicle like this. They're possibly thinking about their nice friends, or dinner, or TOWIE, or which frock to buy for a special dinner, how lovely and fluffy some bunny rabbits are, or what to make their friends for dinner. Worthy thoughts all.

To the cyclist: buy a bell - use it - trust me they work. Ding ding. Imagine that.
To the pedestrians: look both ways please and yes, some bunnies ARE fluffy and lovely.

Glad I was here to sort THAT one out.
Well I'll have you all know I duly read all your comments first THEN watched the video. I expected to be seething with blind rage at this sanctimonious cyclist but COME ON he really isn't going that fast at all - I've said it for years - people think just because York is a walled city once you get inside it's a bleedin' themepark or something. In fairness I don't think the pedestrians are daft - they're just not on the look out for a silent vehicle like this. They're possibly thinking about their nice friends, or dinner, or TOWIE, or which frock to buy for a special dinner, how lovely and fluffy some bunny rabbits are, or what to make their friends for dinner. Worthy thoughts all. To the cyclist: buy a bell - use it - trust me they work. Ding ding. Imagine that. To the pedestrians: look both ways please and yes, some bunnies ARE fluffy and lovely. Glad I was here to sort THAT one out. holden79
  • Score: 7

10:15pm Wed 28 May 14

yorkchap26 says...

Miles Davis wrote:
mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
I agree with a lot of what the other writers have said...every type of road user, be it pedestrians crossing, cyclists, motorbikes or cars, can be seen to be at fault at some time. However, what planet are you on!! You are obviously one of these drivers who thinks it their road because they pay a road tax. Your not an MP, so you cant change the road law. Cyclists can, by law, use the road..get over it. And as for bike number plates and a sash!! I do believe there is a bed at Bootham, book yourself in mate!!
I think the point is that non of pedestrians looked before stepping onto the road and have not observed the the old school green cross code.
[quote][p][bold]Miles Davis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]I agree with a lot of what the other writers have said...every type of road user, be it pedestrians crossing, cyclists, motorbikes or cars, can be seen to be at fault at some time. However, what planet are you on!! You are obviously one of these drivers who thinks it their road because they pay a road tax. Your not an MP, so you cant change the road law. Cyclists can, by law, use the road..get over it. And as for bike number plates and a sash!! I do believe there is a bed at Bootham, book yourself in mate!![/p][/quote]I think the point is that non of pedestrians looked before stepping onto the road and have not observed the the old school green cross code. yorkchap26
  • Score: 2

10:17pm Wed 28 May 14

yorkchap26 says...

holden79 wrote:
Well I'll have you all know I duly read all your comments first THEN watched the video.

I expected to be seething with blind rage at this sanctimonious cyclist but COME ON he really isn't going that fast at all - I've said it for years - people think just because York is a walled city once you get inside it's a bleedin' themepark or something.

In fairness I don't think the pedestrians are daft - they're just not on the look out for a silent vehicle like this. They're possibly thinking about their nice friends, or dinner, or TOWIE, or which frock to buy for a special dinner, how lovely and fluffy some bunny rabbits are, or what to make their friends for dinner. Worthy thoughts all.

To the cyclist: buy a bell - use it - trust me they work. Ding ding. Imagine that.
To the pedestrians: look both ways please and yes, some bunnies ARE fluffy and lovely.

Glad I was here to sort THAT one out.
A perfect to solution
[quote][p][bold]holden79[/bold] wrote: Well I'll have you all know I duly read all your comments first THEN watched the video. I expected to be seething with blind rage at this sanctimonious cyclist but COME ON he really isn't going that fast at all - I've said it for years - people think just because York is a walled city once you get inside it's a bleedin' themepark or something. In fairness I don't think the pedestrians are daft - they're just not on the look out for a silent vehicle like this. They're possibly thinking about their nice friends, or dinner, or TOWIE, or which frock to buy for a special dinner, how lovely and fluffy some bunny rabbits are, or what to make their friends for dinner. Worthy thoughts all. To the cyclist: buy a bell - use it - trust me they work. Ding ding. Imagine that. To the pedestrians: look both ways please and yes, some bunnies ARE fluffy and lovely. Glad I was here to sort THAT one out.[/p][/quote]A perfect to solution yorkchap26
  • Score: -3

12:57am Thu 29 May 14

Magicman! says...

mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
Wise up.
This person has submitted THREE videos... one showing stupid and dangerous cyclists, one showing dangerous and stupid drivers, and this one showing dangerous and stupid pedestrians. I have been saying for years that some people need to get out into this city with an open mind and open eyes and see just how many people seem completely unaware of other road users. This anonymous person has done just that and given us the video evidence to prove it.

But what do you do? use it as a platform to go off on yet another boring, dim-witted, tedious, and unwarranted anti-cyclist rant.

Bike riders in York go at the same speed as buses through the city centre... and you'd better get used to not hearing anything, because there are about to be 12 completely electric buses going round York in the next few weeks - they don't have conventional engines and so are virtually silent just like a bike. So unless you want to become a hood ornament to replace the Firstgroup 'f' logo on the front of the bus, use your eyes before you cross the road!
[quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]Wise up. This person has submitted THREE videos... one showing stupid and dangerous cyclists, one showing dangerous and stupid drivers, and this one showing dangerous and stupid pedestrians. I have been saying for years that some people need to get out into this city with an open mind and open eyes and see just how many people seem completely unaware of other road users. This anonymous person has done just that and given us the video evidence to prove it. But what do you do? use it as a platform to go off on yet another boring, dim-witted, tedious, and unwarranted anti-cyclist rant. Bike riders in York go at the same speed as buses through the city centre... and you'd better get used to not hearing anything, because there are about to be 12 completely electric buses going round York in the next few weeks - they don't have conventional engines and so are virtually silent just like a bike. So unless you want to become a hood ornament to replace the Firstgroup 'f' logo on the front of the bus, use your eyes before you cross the road! Magicman!
  • Score: 4

1:00am Thu 29 May 14

Magicman! says...

the original Homer wrote:
"some pedestrians walking on the road towards him barely moved until he was nearly on top of them"

Interesting that the camera-cyclist (and the Press) see the pedestrians as being at fault.

I'm sure they are aware that pedestrians should use the footpath, and if they step onto the road they should look both ways first.

However, are they aware that those pedestrians who moved at the last minute would have been within their right to stand their ground?

So long as the road is clear when they step onto it, pedestrians can then walk along it, on whichever side they choose, for as long as they wish.. It isn't mandatory for pedestrians to use the footpath just because it's there. With the exception of motorways, pedestrians are allowed to walk along any road they want.

Before you jump down my throat, think about all those cyclists who were up in arms about being entitled to use the road in preference to cycle paths. It's just the same - a pedestrian can choose to walk on the road rather than the pavement.

A cyclist (or a car) approaching walkers should give way to them, not expect them to move out of the way. If necessary, the cyclist should stop until it's safe to pass.
The law states that if you cause a collision, you are at fault. This applies to cyclists, vehicle drivers AND pedestrians. We might not have 'jaywalking' laws in the UK, but that does not in any way make pedestrians immune if they cause an accident because making a facebook post or taking a snapchat selfie is just soooo important that they can't be bothered to see the red man is illuminated.
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: "some pedestrians walking on the road towards him barely moved until he was nearly on top of them" Interesting that the camera-cyclist (and the Press) see the pedestrians as being at fault. I'm sure they are aware that pedestrians should use the footpath, and if they step onto the road they should look both ways first. However, are they aware that those pedestrians who moved at the last minute would have been within their right to stand their ground? So long as the road is clear when they step onto it, pedestrians can then walk along it, on whichever side they choose, for as long as they wish.. It isn't mandatory for pedestrians to use the footpath just because it's there. With the exception of motorways, pedestrians are allowed to walk along any road they want. Before you jump down my throat, think about all those cyclists who were up in arms about being entitled to use the road in preference to cycle paths. It's just the same - a pedestrian can choose to walk on the road rather than the pavement. A cyclist (or a car) approaching walkers should give way to them, not expect them to move out of the way. If necessary, the cyclist should stop until it's safe to pass.[/p][/quote]The law states that if you cause a collision, you are at fault. This applies to cyclists, vehicle drivers AND pedestrians. We might not have 'jaywalking' laws in the UK, but that does not in any way make pedestrians immune if they cause an accident because making a facebook post or taking a snapchat selfie is just soooo important that they can't be bothered to see the red man is illuminated. Magicman!
  • Score: 5

1:02am Thu 29 May 14

Magicman! says...

krites wrote:
Yes, let's see the cyclists riding badly, riding on pavements, riding the wrong way down one-way streets, in pedestrian-only areas and so on. There are faults from members of all groups of road-users at times, and I'm sick of this attitude that all cyclists are good and all motorists and pedestrians are bad.
Where were you two months ago when this very same person showed a video of cyclists doing just that. You had your chance to criticise cyclists then... go find that page and make your comment over there instead.
[quote][p][bold]krites[/bold] wrote: Yes, let's see the cyclists riding badly, riding on pavements, riding the wrong way down one-way streets, in pedestrian-only areas and so on. There are faults from members of all groups of road-users at times, and I'm sick of this attitude that all cyclists are good and all motorists and pedestrians are bad.[/p][/quote]Where were you two months ago when this very same person showed a video of cyclists doing just that. You had your chance to criticise cyclists then... go find that page and make your comment over there instead. Magicman!
  • Score: 3

1:05am Thu 29 May 14

Magicman! says...

petethefeet wrote:
It's the roué through Coppergate and Pavement that causes the most fun. Regardless of the opinion on speed I'm usually overtaken by taxis and buses going through. I can usually handle pedestrians wandering across just so long as they don't suddenly stop. Then it's all hell let loose. The other problem is those pedestrians at the kerb who are 'gawking' straight at you & yet still walk in front, usually at the last second. I suspect many are from out-of-town & simply cannot handle bikes!
Indeed... that absolutely flabbergasts me. They can be stood there at the edge of the pavement at the traffic lights; they look and see the lights go to gree for me, and THEN decide that's the perfect time to cross the road. on TWO occasions somebody has crossed from the old Jessops towards High Ousegate after the lights have gone gree for Coppergate whilst PUSHING A WHEELCHAIR - and the second time they did it, it was in front of a moving bus!!
[quote][p][bold]petethefeet[/bold] wrote: It's the roué through Coppergate and Pavement that causes the most fun. Regardless of the opinion on speed I'm usually overtaken by taxis and buses going through. I can usually handle pedestrians wandering across just so long as they don't suddenly stop. Then it's all hell let loose. The other problem is those pedestrians at the kerb who are 'gawking' straight at you & yet still walk in front, usually at the last second. I suspect many are from out-of-town & simply cannot handle bikes![/p][/quote]Indeed... that absolutely flabbergasts me. They can be stood there at the edge of the pavement at the traffic lights; they look and see the lights go to gree for me, and THEN decide that's the perfect time to cross the road. on TWO occasions somebody has crossed from the old Jessops towards High Ousegate after the lights have gone gree for Coppergate whilst PUSHING A WHEELCHAIR - and the second time they did it, it was in front of a moving bus!! Magicman!
  • Score: 3

1:09am Thu 29 May 14

Magicman! says...

seharris wrote:
Surely this guy has now shown himself to be riding too fast in the city centre & riding down pedestrian only areas? Also I think particularly with this film as you can clearly see the faces of some of the pedestrians it is an invasion of their privacy - he has a right to make his comments but not to show peoples face on a film without their permission
Best you go and check how the law stands on that. There is a letter circulating from the chief of Police reminding officers that photographers have every right to take photographs of anything or anyone within a public place.... even of Police officers on duty.

The only things people cannot take photos of are those protected under the Official Secrets Act; and taking photos of kids is also a dodgy issue.
[quote][p][bold]seharris[/bold] wrote: Surely this guy has now shown himself to be riding too fast in the city centre & riding down pedestrian only areas? Also I think particularly with this film as you can clearly see the faces of some of the pedestrians it is an invasion of their privacy - he has a right to make his comments but not to show peoples face on a film without their permission[/p][/quote]Best you go and check how the law stands on that. There is a letter circulating from the chief of Police reminding officers that photographers have every right to take photographs of anything or anyone within a public place.... even of Police officers on duty. The only things people cannot take photos of are those protected under the Official Secrets Act; and taking photos of kids is also a dodgy issue. Magicman!
  • Score: 0

1:15am Thu 29 May 14

Magicman! says...

kwalsh wrote:
I am getting quite fed up with sanctimonious cyclists - I am a pedestrian who has to deal with cyclists who ignore laws and by-laws everyday - they endanger pedestrians, because they (the cyclists) cycle on pavements, do not dismount when sign-age tells them to do so, amongst many other infringements of the highway code; a series of LAWS which applies to cyclists as they are on "carriages" - pedestrians are not. Of course, this does not mean that pedestrians have the right to be negligent - however, the onus is upon cyclists to have a duty of care.
I take it then you have NEVER once walked along a shared pavement on the clearly-marked cycle side of the pathway then? and have never walked along the north side of Clifton bridge, where it is clearly marked CYCLES ONLY, and have never walked on the route beside Heslington Field Lane on the side of the university campus - where signage is of a bicycle only and no pedestrian, which under the highway code means the route is for cycles only and is not a pavement?

Oh, and you might also be interested to know that because the "Cyclist Dismount" sign is blue-backed, that means it is an ADVISORY sign - it means that ideally a cyclist should get off the bike, but it is not illegal to ride past those signs. A lot of highway engineers, and roadworks contractors, use such signs to bypass designing better cycle provision or to avoid having to put out roadworks barriers where their works have closed off a cycle route and they'd otherwise have to put in a cycle diversion route....
The only signs which do mean "no cycling", which are mandatory and enforceable, are signs on a red roundel - with either a picture of a bicycle within the red roundel, or a completely empty red roundel which means "no vehicles of any type".
[quote][p][bold]kwalsh[/bold] wrote: I am getting quite fed up with sanctimonious cyclists - I am a pedestrian who has to deal with cyclists who ignore laws and by-laws everyday - they endanger pedestrians, because they (the cyclists) cycle on pavements, do not dismount when sign-age tells them to do so, amongst many other infringements of the highway code; a series of LAWS which applies to cyclists as they are on "carriages" - pedestrians are not. Of course, this does not mean that pedestrians have the right to be negligent - however, the onus is upon cyclists to have a duty of care.[/p][/quote]I take it then you have NEVER once walked along a shared pavement on the clearly-marked cycle side of the pathway then? and have never walked along the north side of Clifton bridge, where it is clearly marked CYCLES ONLY, and have never walked on the route beside Heslington Field Lane on the side of the university campus - where signage is of a bicycle only and no pedestrian, which under the highway code means the route is for cycles only and is not a pavement? Oh, and you might also be interested to know that because the "Cyclist Dismount" sign is blue-backed, that means it is an ADVISORY sign - it means that ideally a cyclist should get off the bike, but it is not illegal to ride past those signs. A lot of highway engineers, and roadworks contractors, use such signs to bypass designing better cycle provision or to avoid having to put out roadworks barriers where their works have closed off a cycle route and they'd otherwise have to put in a cycle diversion route.... The only signs which do mean "no cycling", which are mandatory and enforceable, are signs on a red roundel - with either a picture of a bicycle within the red roundel, or a completely empty red roundel which means "no vehicles of any type". Magicman!
  • Score: -1

1:28am Thu 29 May 14

phreaky pete says...

here, o cycle cam man.. watch this and be grateful for your lot in life/cycling

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=GZfuS5GA
4kw

Yeah, York just isn't designed for and hasn't been managed well to cope with the myriad of travel options us as a city (try to) exercise our right to choose. Your vids show us a variety of the effects of this that we all see everyday (plus one absolutely hilarious blooper) but as the video I just put the link to shows I think your exaggerating the problem. Some of the scenarios in your earlier vids it just isn't clear if there is a party at fault, they are just one of those everyday occurences on a busy, some just show harmless and lazy rule breaking, some go as far as being completely irrelevant unless you were being a pedant. In this one, it is obvious you although not engineered the scenarios you definitely played each one out for dramatic effect Not slowing then slamming on brakes at end for effect combined sometimes with deliberately not reading road and reacting in a normal manner, not steering clear and carrying on where it was safe oh yes and going maybe a bit quick in pedestrianized zones (come on, you were a bit).

can't help but thinking you want a popular channel, and want to be seen like all the other cycle daredevil/vigilantes on youtube, but unlike your londoners and other big city counterparts good material doesn't come so easy to you though and your maybe diversifying your tactics. Don't get yourself or any civilians hurt please though, seriously....

So what is it that you stand for ? What do you propose to make this all right ? Surely a true legend of roadcraft like you could be the one to solve all our traffic woes now the muppet show have failed us..
here, o cycle cam man.. watch this and be grateful for your lot in life/cycling https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=GZfuS5GA 4kw Yeah, York just isn't designed for and hasn't been managed well to cope with the myriad of travel options us as a city (try to) exercise our right to choose. Your vids show us a variety of the effects of this that we all see everyday (plus one absolutely hilarious blooper) but as the video I just put the link to shows I think your exaggerating the problem. Some of the scenarios in your earlier vids it just isn't clear if there is a party at fault, they are just one of those everyday occurences on a busy, some just show harmless and lazy rule breaking, some go as far as being completely irrelevant unless you were being a pedant. In this one, it is obvious you although not engineered the scenarios you definitely played each one out for dramatic effect Not slowing then slamming on brakes at end for effect combined sometimes with deliberately not reading road and reacting in a normal manner, not steering clear and carrying on where it was safe oh yes and going maybe a bit quick in pedestrianized zones (come on, you were a bit). can't help but thinking you want a popular channel, and want to be seen like all the other cycle daredevil/vigilantes on youtube, but unlike your londoners and other big city counterparts good material doesn't come so easy to you though and your maybe diversifying your tactics. Don't get yourself or any civilians hurt please though, seriously.... So what is it that you stand for ? What do you propose to make this all right ? Surely a true legend of roadcraft like you could be the one to solve all our traffic woes now the muppet show have failed us.. phreaky pete
  • Score: 1

3:03am Thu 29 May 14

Magicman! says...

I've watched all the videos through that have been published on here... and this one seems the most open and believeable.

York has hotspots where pedestrians don't look:
Museum Street
The Minster
Goodramgate (from Monk Bar to the Cross Keys, the bit that is open to vehicles)
Pavement/The Stonebow
Coppergate and end junctions
Ouse Bridge

... Museum Street used to be the number one danger spot where pedestrians would cross without looking. But now that number one danger spot has been claimed by the new Minster Plazza, where the very minimal token effort has gone in to whisper to people that they might just possibly be in the way of a cyclist perhaps - even the sign that the Minster estate puts out to say that cyclists use the area is put ON the cycle lane and gets in the way. What I don't understand is the section of Deangate just after the Plazza heading to Duncombe Place - there is a dropped kerb, a change of surface level and type, and yet everybody on foot there seems to be too preoccupied either looking at their phone, deep in conversation, or looking at the big old building to realise they've stepped onto a road.

I do have audio warning equipment fitted to my bike so people know I'm coming... I have a bugle horn which gives a two-tone sound as if to say "careful, bike approaching" - and if people don't hear that or pay attention than my 135db airhorn (or the new electronic high-pitched shrieker sounder I've fitted) is given a blast. But even then, along the Minster Plazza, it can take three or even four blasts before somebody standing in the middle of the road that I'm coming up behind of will actually realise they're in the way.... and they seem shocked that I have dared to sound a warning.
I would strongly advise the person who takes these videos to get a proper sounder of some sort - a bell is simply not enough in York, something louder or that makes a strange noise is required. When going along the Minster Plazza, because the council seriously messed it up and have made it a dangerous accident waiting to happen (shared use areas are ONLY for areas of low/medium pedestrian traffic only, not the levels the Minster area sees), I make an audible warning sound every few seconds as I am passing through using one of my sounder devices - that way people can hear me coming and have no excuse to say "I didn't hear you" or "I didn't see you".

The junction with Coppergate and Pavement is also a dodgy area - and a large part to play in that is the fact the traffic lights are on an archaic timer-only system. the sensors are there, but they have no part to play in when and how often the lights change. And on every sequence, the traffic lights on Parliament Street are given a green light - this includes between 11am and 5pm when there are no vehicles there at all; what this does is give a period of blank time between Piccadilly and Coppergate's green lights, and pedestrians think this is a suitable time to cross - and they continue to cross even after Coppergate and Pavement have bene given a green light.... even if the council have no intention of changing these lights for a sensor-based *intelligent* system, at the very least change the sequence of the lights so that Parliament Street gets the green light before the green man pedestrian phase, so that pedestrians can cross but can clearly see when the green man changes to red man.

But all this pales when it comes to the crunch, because the key fact is that people should LOOK before they cross. I've seen people nearly taken out by a bus, because they are about to cross a side street and they just step straight out without looking when there's a bus coming from behind and indicating to turn into that road. Bikes don't have engines and so are quiet - but as I've already said, York is about to have a fleet of 12 fully electric buses going around the city centre too, those don't have 'engines' as such and so are quiet.... a lack of concentration or relying on hearing alone might just mean somebody ends up under one of these buses. But equally as concerning is that if one of these people who crosses without looking (too busy on their phones usually) then has a collision with a cyclist and causes serious injury - because the pedestrian caused the collision, they are liable for the collision and could receive a claim from the cyclist relating to any injuries they may have, which may result in loss of earnings due to being off work, and damage to the bicycle (which may run into the £1000's if it's a top-end bike).... the same applies to dog walkers who let their pets run free or not under control on designated cycle routes... all it takes is to look and be aware (and when walking on a pavement with a big white line down the middle, to not spread out the full width ot it).
I've watched all the videos through that have been published on here... and this one seems the most open and believeable. York has hotspots where pedestrians don't look: Museum Street The Minster Goodramgate (from Monk Bar to the Cross Keys, the bit that is open to vehicles) Pavement/The Stonebow Coppergate and end junctions Ouse Bridge ... Museum Street used to be the number one danger spot where pedestrians would cross without looking. But now that number one danger spot has been claimed by the new Minster Plazza, where the very minimal token effort has gone in to whisper to people that they might just possibly be in the way of a cyclist perhaps - even the sign that the Minster estate puts out to say that cyclists use the area is put ON the cycle lane and gets in the way. What I don't understand is the section of Deangate just after the Plazza heading to Duncombe Place - there is a dropped kerb, a change of surface level and type, and yet everybody on foot there seems to be too preoccupied either looking at their phone, deep in conversation, or looking at the big old building to realise they've stepped onto a road. I do have audio warning equipment fitted to my bike so people know I'm coming... I have a bugle horn which gives a two-tone sound as if to say "careful, bike approaching" - and if people don't hear that or pay attention than my 135db airhorn (or the new electronic high-pitched shrieker sounder I've fitted) is given a blast. But even then, along the Minster Plazza, it can take three or even four blasts before somebody standing in the middle of the road that I'm coming up behind of will actually realise they're in the way.... and they seem shocked that I have dared to sound a warning. I would strongly advise the person who takes these videos to get a proper sounder of some sort - a bell is simply not enough in York, something louder or that makes a strange noise is required. When going along the Minster Plazza, because the council seriously messed it up and have made it a dangerous accident waiting to happen (shared use areas are ONLY for areas of low/medium pedestrian traffic only, not the levels the Minster area sees), I make an audible warning sound every few seconds as I am passing through using one of my sounder devices - that way people can hear me coming and have no excuse to say "I didn't hear you" or "I didn't see you". The junction with Coppergate and Pavement is also a dodgy area - and a large part to play in that is the fact the traffic lights are on an archaic timer-only system. the sensors are there, but they have no part to play in when and how often the lights change. And on every sequence, the traffic lights on Parliament Street are given a green light - this includes between 11am and 5pm when there are no vehicles there at all; what this does is give a period of blank time between Piccadilly and Coppergate's green lights, and pedestrians think this is a suitable time to cross - and they continue to cross even after Coppergate and Pavement have bene given a green light.... even if the council have no intention of changing these lights for a sensor-based *intelligent* system, at the very least change the sequence of the lights so that Parliament Street gets the green light before the green man pedestrian phase, so that pedestrians can cross but can clearly see when the green man changes to red man. But all this pales when it comes to the crunch, because the key fact is that people should LOOK before they cross. I've seen people nearly taken out by a bus, because they are about to cross a side street and they just step straight out without looking when there's a bus coming from behind and indicating to turn into that road. Bikes don't have engines and so are quiet - but as I've already said, York is about to have a fleet of 12 fully electric buses going around the city centre too, those don't have 'engines' as such and so are quiet.... a lack of concentration or relying on hearing alone might just mean somebody ends up under one of these buses. But equally as concerning is that if one of these people who crosses without looking (too busy on their phones usually) then has a collision with a cyclist and causes serious injury - because the pedestrian caused the collision, they are liable for the collision and could receive a claim from the cyclist relating to any injuries they may have, which may result in loss of earnings due to being off work, and damage to the bicycle (which may run into the £1000's if it's a top-end bike).... the same applies to dog walkers who let their pets run free or not under control on designated cycle routes... all it takes is to look and be aware (and when walking on a pavement with a big white line down the middle, to not spread out the full width ot it). Magicman!
  • Score: 2

6:15am Thu 29 May 14

Abdiel says...

flyfisher wrote:
What an arrogant nob of a cyclist...best advert for banning them in York.Come on police get this person and do him/her for dangerous riding
You're quite right. It seems there are two distinct types- one who couldn't care less no bell, no lights, in and out the traffic, ignore the lights, on the pavement - "ill do what I want" . The second is the Lycra clad Herbert, look at me! Looks like Max Wall, he has no idea of riding sensibly, wherever he is he has to be powering on, no thought for the speed, I saw one shout at a woman and child on a crossing " effing idiots" No intention of slowing or riding considerately. The funniest was when one braked hard and his back tyre exploded! Ha! I enjoyed that! Moron!
[quote][p][bold]flyfisher[/bold] wrote: What an arrogant nob of a cyclist...best advert for banning them in York.Come on police get this person and do him/her for dangerous riding[/p][/quote]You're quite right. It seems there are two distinct types- one who couldn't care less no bell, no lights, in and out the traffic, ignore the lights, on the pavement - "ill do what I want" . The second is the Lycra clad Herbert, look at me! Looks like Max Wall, he has no idea of riding sensibly, wherever he is he has to be powering on, no thought for the speed, I saw one shout at a woman and child on a crossing " effing idiots" No intention of slowing or riding considerately. The funniest was when one braked hard and his back tyre exploded! Ha! I enjoyed that! Moron! Abdiel
  • Score: -2

6:25am Thu 29 May 14

kwalsh says...

Magicman! wrote:
kwalsh wrote:
I am getting quite fed up with sanctimonious cyclists - I am a pedestrian who has to deal with cyclists who ignore laws and by-laws everyday - they endanger pedestrians, because they (the cyclists) cycle on pavements, do not dismount when sign-age tells them to do so, amongst many other infringements of the highway code; a series of LAWS which applies to cyclists as they are on "carriages" - pedestrians are not. Of course, this does not mean that pedestrians have the right to be negligent - however, the onus is upon cyclists to have a duty of care.
I take it then you have NEVER once walked along a shared pavement on the clearly-marked cycle side of the pathway then? and have never walked along the north side of Clifton bridge, where it is clearly marked CYCLES ONLY, and have never walked on the route beside Heslington Field Lane on the side of the university campus - where signage is of a bicycle only and no pedestrian, which under the highway code means the route is for cycles only and is not a pavement?

Oh, and you might also be interested to know that because the "Cyclist Dismount" sign is blue-backed, that means it is an ADVISORY sign - it means that ideally a cyclist should get off the bike, but it is not illegal to ride past those signs. A lot of highway engineers, and roadworks contractors, use such signs to bypass designing better cycle provision or to avoid having to put out roadworks barriers where their works have closed off a cycle route and they'd otherwise have to put in a cycle diversion route....
The only signs which do mean "no cycling", which are mandatory and enforceable, are signs on a red roundel - with either a picture of a bicycle within the red roundel, or a completely empty red roundel which means "no vehicles of any type".
I can answer "no" to all of your questions regarding where I do or do not walk.

And thank you, I am fully aware that blue signs are advisory -are cyclists above taking advice and politeness?

I actually find this link quite useful -
http://www.bikehub.c
o.uk/featured-articl
es/cycling-and-the-l
aw/
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwalsh[/bold] wrote: I am getting quite fed up with sanctimonious cyclists - I am a pedestrian who has to deal with cyclists who ignore laws and by-laws everyday - they endanger pedestrians, because they (the cyclists) cycle on pavements, do not dismount when sign-age tells them to do so, amongst many other infringements of the highway code; a series of LAWS which applies to cyclists as they are on "carriages" - pedestrians are not. Of course, this does not mean that pedestrians have the right to be negligent - however, the onus is upon cyclists to have a duty of care.[/p][/quote]I take it then you have NEVER once walked along a shared pavement on the clearly-marked cycle side of the pathway then? and have never walked along the north side of Clifton bridge, where it is clearly marked CYCLES ONLY, and have never walked on the route beside Heslington Field Lane on the side of the university campus - where signage is of a bicycle only and no pedestrian, which under the highway code means the route is for cycles only and is not a pavement? Oh, and you might also be interested to know that because the "Cyclist Dismount" sign is blue-backed, that means it is an ADVISORY sign - it means that ideally a cyclist should get off the bike, but it is not illegal to ride past those signs. A lot of highway engineers, and roadworks contractors, use such signs to bypass designing better cycle provision or to avoid having to put out roadworks barriers where their works have closed off a cycle route and they'd otherwise have to put in a cycle diversion route.... The only signs which do mean "no cycling", which are mandatory and enforceable, are signs on a red roundel - with either a picture of a bicycle within the red roundel, or a completely empty red roundel which means "no vehicles of any type".[/p][/quote]I can answer "no" to all of your questions regarding where I do or do not walk. And thank you, I am fully aware that blue signs are advisory -are cyclists above taking advice and politeness? I actually find this link quite useful - http://www.bikehub.c o.uk/featured-articl es/cycling-and-the-l aw/ kwalsh
  • Score: 1

7:48am Thu 29 May 14

joelwithatleast6characters says...

Well done The Press. Is this news? People live in a city and the roads are dangerous! My word.
Go to a big city and watch people doing crazy things on the busy streets. Everyone (including morons with cameras on their helmets and self righteous commentators on this message board!) does something on the road that to others appear dangerous. Get over it!

Weren't you people furious about the council filming your traffic errors a couple of weeks ago?
Well done The Press. Is this news? People live in a city and the roads are dangerous! My word. Go to a big city and watch people doing crazy things on the busy streets. Everyone (including morons with cameras on their helmets and self righteous commentators on this message board!) does something on the road that to others appear dangerous. Get over it! Weren't you people furious about the council filming your traffic errors a couple of weeks ago? joelwithatleast6characters
  • Score: 4

8:03am Thu 29 May 14

Kevin Turvey says...

councilsconscience says...
I had the biggest, loudest Dutch made bell I could find fitted a few years ago on my bike. If you hear it you'll defiantly move out of my way.


Will it echo when it’s sounded when its shoved up your own @rse?
councilsconscience says... I had the biggest, loudest Dutch made bell I could find fitted a few years ago on my bike. If you hear it you'll defiantly move out of my way. Will it echo when it’s sounded when its shoved up your own @rse? Kevin Turvey
  • Score: 2

8:12am Thu 29 May 14

oldgoat says...

Well, this is the video where the cyclist needs to be a little more considerate!
Pedalling fast through any area that is congested is foolish to start with. Shared spaces require a little more avoidance on all parts.

Of course you get pedestrians who are too busy with their phone or music player. You keep an eye open for them and respond by steering around them, cycling a little slower.
Well, this is the video where the cyclist needs to be a little more considerate! Pedalling fast through any area that is congested is foolish to start with. Shared spaces require a little more avoidance on all parts. Of course you get pedestrians who are too busy with their phone or music player. You keep an eye open for them and respond by steering around them, cycling a little slower. oldgoat
  • Score: 7

8:27am Thu 29 May 14

pedalling paul says...

My oh my.......some real sarcasm emerging now. I wonder what life was like in the horse and cart or Roman chariot era. Did they have similar problems....?
My oh my.......some real sarcasm emerging now. I wonder what life was like in the horse and cart or Roman chariot era. Did they have similar problems....? pedalling paul
  • Score: 33

8:40am Thu 29 May 14

the original Homer says...

Magicman! wrote:
the original Homer wrote:
"some pedestrians walking on the road towards him barely moved until he was nearly on top of them"

Interesting that the camera-cyclist (and the Press) see the pedestrians as being at fault.

I'm sure they are aware that pedestrians should use the footpath, and if they step onto the road they should look both ways first.

However, are they aware that those pedestrians who moved at the last minute would have been within their right to stand their ground?

So long as the road is clear when they step onto it, pedestrians can then walk along it, on whichever side they choose, for as long as they wish.. It isn't mandatory for pedestrians to use the footpath just because it's there. With the exception of motorways, pedestrians are allowed to walk along any road they want.

Before you jump down my throat, think about all those cyclists who were up in arms about being entitled to use the road in preference to cycle paths. It's just the same - a pedestrian can choose to walk on the road rather than the pavement.

A cyclist (or a car) approaching walkers should give way to them, not expect them to move out of the way. If necessary, the cyclist should stop until it's safe to pass.
The law states that if you cause a collision, you are at fault. This applies to cyclists, vehicle drivers AND pedestrians. We might not have 'jaywalking' laws in the UK, but that does not in any way make pedestrians immune if they cause an accident because making a facebook post or taking a snapchat selfie is just soooo important that they can't be bothered to see the red man is illuminated.
Totally agree that whoever causes a collision is at fault, and pedestrians stepping into the road could be held responsible.

Not sure why you posted it as a reply to my earlier post though, as we are talking about different circumstances.

My post was referencing pedestrians who were already walking on the road (having presumably stepped onto it some way back in safety). The approaching cyclist expected them to move out of his way and complained that they only moved at the last minute.

Those were wise to get out of the way, but they shouldn't have needed to. If there had been a collision, the cause would have been the cyclist not stopping or going round. Those pedestrians wouldn't have caused a collision by being in the road.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: "some pedestrians walking on the road towards him barely moved until he was nearly on top of them" Interesting that the camera-cyclist (and the Press) see the pedestrians as being at fault. I'm sure they are aware that pedestrians should use the footpath, and if they step onto the road they should look both ways first. However, are they aware that those pedestrians who moved at the last minute would have been within their right to stand their ground? So long as the road is clear when they step onto it, pedestrians can then walk along it, on whichever side they choose, for as long as they wish.. It isn't mandatory for pedestrians to use the footpath just because it's there. With the exception of motorways, pedestrians are allowed to walk along any road they want. Before you jump down my throat, think about all those cyclists who were up in arms about being entitled to use the road in preference to cycle paths. It's just the same - a pedestrian can choose to walk on the road rather than the pavement. A cyclist (or a car) approaching walkers should give way to them, not expect them to move out of the way. If necessary, the cyclist should stop until it's safe to pass.[/p][/quote]The law states that if you cause a collision, you are at fault. This applies to cyclists, vehicle drivers AND pedestrians. We might not have 'jaywalking' laws in the UK, but that does not in any way make pedestrians immune if they cause an accident because making a facebook post or taking a snapchat selfie is just soooo important that they can't be bothered to see the red man is illuminated.[/p][/quote]Totally agree that whoever causes a collision is at fault, and pedestrians stepping into the road could be held responsible. Not sure why you posted it as a reply to my earlier post though, as we are talking about different circumstances. My post was referencing pedestrians who were already walking on the road (having presumably stepped onto it some way back in safety). The approaching cyclist expected them to move out of his way and complained that they only moved at the last minute. Those were wise to get out of the way, but they shouldn't have needed to. If there had been a collision, the cause would have been the cyclist not stopping or going round. Those pedestrians wouldn't have caused a collision by being in the road. the original Homer
  • Score: 4

8:51am Thu 29 May 14

Person of York says...

This person needs to fit a bell and slow down. And yes we all know that car drivers are idiots too, as are pedestrians. :(
This person needs to fit a bell and slow down. And yes we all know that car drivers are idiots too, as are pedestrians. :( Person of York
  • Score: -25

9:16am Thu 29 May 14

eeoodares says...

I remember thousands of cyclists in York as a lad, cycling, at times, on both sides of the road.
There seems to be real divisions opening up between people, I do not know if people just moan more are actually less tolerant.
Stressed or distracted people sometimes will step out onto roads, the noise of cars help to alert them, thats why bikes should have bells.
I remember thousands of cyclists in York as a lad, cycling, at times, on both sides of the road. There seems to be real divisions opening up between people, I do not know if people just moan more are actually less tolerant. Stressed or distracted people sometimes will step out onto roads, the noise of cars help to alert them, thats why bikes should have bells. eeoodares
  • Score: 6

9:30am Thu 29 May 14

MrsHoney says...

And this is why we're having to drive at 20mph, to protect these completely self obsessed idiots!! They derserve to get run over, they should be paying more attention to their surroundings. Cyclists shouldn't have to be ringing their bells to alert people, they should think to look both ways, or check before stepping into a cycle lane. I have no sympathy for them, only for anyone unfortunate enough to knock them over.

I also hate seeing people tyring to rush across a road when they don't have a green light to cross, with a pram or dog leading the way. Very irresponsible.
And this is why we're having to drive at 20mph, to protect these completely self obsessed idiots!! They derserve to get run over, they should be paying more attention to their surroundings. Cyclists shouldn't have to be ringing their bells to alert people, they should think to look both ways, or check before stepping into a cycle lane. I have no sympathy for them, only for anyone unfortunate enough to knock them over. I also hate seeing people tyring to rush across a road when they don't have a green light to cross, with a pram or dog leading the way. Very irresponsible. MrsHoney
  • Score: 0

9:55am Thu 29 May 14

GunwitchUK says...

mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
Typical moronic reply. Yes there are a few cyclists who think they own the roads, but this guy with his helmet cam is showing just how idiotic people are.
We're not all a danger and we don't all think York is a race track. Regardless of how fast we are going, there are speed limits which apply to ALL road users from scooters, motorcycles, cars etc.
We are not above the law and if you think we're a right royal pain, then get off your high horse and try cycling around York. We have as much right to cycle here as anyone.
And before you moan again, i'm a car and truck driver as well as a cyclist and instructor.
I get hit at least once a month by morons who just ram me out of the way, pedestrians chucking stuff at me or deliberately stepping into my way.
So wind your neck in with your high almighty attitude.
[quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]Typical moronic reply. Yes there are a few cyclists who think they own the roads, but this guy with his helmet cam is showing just how idiotic people are. We're not all a danger and we don't all think York is a race track. Regardless of how fast we are going, there are speed limits which apply to ALL road users from scooters, motorcycles, cars etc. We are not above the law and if you think we're a right royal pain, then get off your high horse and try cycling around York. We have as much right to cycle here as anyone. And before you moan again, i'm a car and truck driver as well as a cyclist and instructor. I get hit at least once a month by morons who just ram me out of the way, pedestrians chucking stuff at me or deliberately stepping into my way. So wind your neck in with your high almighty attitude. GunwitchUK
  • Score: 0

9:58am Thu 29 May 14

chunkyyorkie says...

See quote above from the original Homer; “However, are they aware that those pedestrians who moved at the last minute would have been within their right to stand their ground?”
In the name of sanity what sort of fool are you?!
Skin & bone verses any kind of quicker and more solid moving object invariably ends worse for the human body. Why would anyone risk serious injury or worse and be laid in hospital for weeks saying “I was perfectly in my rights when I got hit!” to everyone else please take no notice of this attitude – it will likely end up causing your loved ones much misery. Jaywalking is not the way forwards.

To the press - why are you allowing so much space to this guy? His annonyminity makes him somewhat un-credible and some of what he says is uninformed and biased.
See quote above from the original Homer; “However, are they aware that those pedestrians who moved at the last minute would have been within their right to stand their ground?” In the name of sanity what sort of fool are you?! Skin & bone verses any kind of quicker and more solid moving object invariably ends worse for the human body. Why would anyone risk serious injury or worse and be laid in hospital for weeks saying “I was perfectly in my rights when I got hit!” to everyone else please take no notice of this attitude – it will likely end up causing your loved ones much misery. Jaywalking is not the way forwards. To the press - why are you allowing so much space to this guy? His annonyminity makes him somewhat un-credible and some of what he says is uninformed and biased. chunkyyorkie
  • Score: 2

9:59am Thu 29 May 14

TheTruthHurts says...

Of all three videos this one amuses me the most. Look at the pedestrians who are mostly in the wrong 90% of them are so nonchalant, just look at their faces lolz.

Its fairly common knowledge that people do make mistakes and errors in judgement.... I certainly do on foot, on bike and in car. A 'sorry mate', or a raised hand and a big smile usually goes a long way but most people just cant possibly accept that they might be in the wrong and admit to it.
Of all three videos this one amuses me the most. Look at the pedestrians who are mostly in the wrong 90% of them are so nonchalant, just look at their faces lolz. Its fairly common knowledge that people do make mistakes and errors in judgement.... I certainly do on foot, on bike and in car. A 'sorry mate', or a raised hand and a big smile usually goes a long way but most people just cant possibly accept that they might be in the wrong and admit to it. TheTruthHurts
  • Score: 3

10:02am Thu 29 May 14

sniper 9964 says...

Pedestrians always have priority. In this video clearly they were already on the rd. So this morron should give way. And I am sure there were a few points where he rode wrong way down a road. And went through a red light. Also cycling in a pedestrian area
Pedestrians always have priority. In this video clearly they were already on the rd. So this morron should give way. And I am sure there were a few points where he rode wrong way down a road. And went through a red light. Also cycling in a pedestrian area sniper 9964
  • Score: -26

10:30am Thu 29 May 14

Blimp says...

Oooh! Controversial video and lots of feisty comments - well done everyone.

Brilliant, love it! More please.
Oooh! Controversial video and lots of feisty comments - well done everyone. Brilliant, love it! More please. Blimp
  • Score: -1

10:40am Thu 29 May 14

Blimp says...

Oh WOW! We just realised that this guy has filmed cyclists, cars and pedestrians - surely there's only one thing left? Yes... he'll be biking round the race course during the Ebor and shouting at all those naughty irresponsible jockeys.

Bring it on!

B.L.I.M.P. (Can't be bothered to type it out again.)
Oh WOW! We just realised that this guy has filmed cyclists, cars and pedestrians - surely there's only one thing left? Yes... he'll be biking round the race course during the Ebor and shouting at all those naughty irresponsible jockeys. Bring it on! B.L.I.M.P. (Can't be bothered to type it out again.) Blimp
  • Score: 3

11:26am Thu 29 May 14

m dee says...

This video highlights a few things,for those that in the past have suggested cycling routes through the City centre this shows why it a bad idea,pedestrians not familiar with York and in a pedestrian zone do not realize at certain times of the day it will have vehicle access presuming the footage was shot during the permitted times,yes it shows some people having very little road sense and also shows the rider unwilling to give way to pedestrians who had started to cross the road before he appeared and riding directly towards them.
We have to except a tourist City like York is going to have many people unfamiliar with the City Centre foot streets and wandering around taking in all the history and allow for this,one other thing stands out is cycling in York centre you need a bell/horn it may not be a lawful requirement but a necessary requirement if it saves having a collision and a better alternative then shouting hey hey .
This video highlights a few things,for those that in the past have suggested cycling routes through the City centre this shows why it a bad idea,pedestrians not familiar with York and in a pedestrian zone do not realize at certain times of the day it will have vehicle access presuming the footage was shot during the permitted times,yes it shows some people having very little road sense and also shows the rider unwilling to give way to pedestrians who had started to cross the road before he appeared and riding directly towards them. We have to except a tourist City like York is going to have many people unfamiliar with the City Centre foot streets and wandering around taking in all the history and allow for this,one other thing stands out is cycling in York centre you need a bell/horn it may not be a lawful requirement but a necessary requirement if it saves having a collision and a better alternative then shouting hey hey . m dee
  • Score: 12

11:45am Thu 29 May 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

...........all say thank you to the vigilante. The mum with her children is crossing at Bootham end of Gillygate. No traffic lights are shown in the photo. Perhaps the cyclist was in the wrong.........am amber gambler more concerned with his headcam.........an ambler gambler racing to get thru the lights. Who truly knows.....but give a young mum laden with shopping a pushchair and children a little leaway - she has a lot to think about. There are always motorists at fault - there are always cyclists at fault and the same applies to pedestrians and they are the most vulnerable. Coppergate needs a pedestrian barrier around it - a scary place to be and witness people not thinking.
...........all say thank you to the vigilante. The mum with her children is crossing at Bootham end of Gillygate. No traffic lights are shown in the photo. Perhaps the cyclist was in the wrong.........am amber gambler more concerned with his headcam.........an ambler gambler racing to get thru the lights. Who truly knows.....but give a young mum laden with shopping a pushchair and children a little leaway - she has a lot to think about. There are always motorists at fault - there are always cyclists at fault and the same applies to pedestrians and they are the most vulnerable. Coppergate needs a pedestrian barrier around it - a scary place to be and witness people not thinking. thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: 8

11:53am Thu 29 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Blimp wrote:
Oooh! Controversial video and lots of feisty comments - well done everyone. Brilliant, love it! More please.
Well this one has really opened a can of worms, can't beleive it, it must have more comments than the Lendal Bridge fiasco, and thats saying something
[quote][p][bold]Blimp[/bold] wrote: Oooh! Controversial video and lots of feisty comments - well done everyone. Brilliant, love it! More please.[/p][/quote]Well this one has really opened a can of worms, can't beleive it, it must have more comments than the Lendal Bridge fiasco, and thats saying something notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -37

12:28pm Thu 29 May 14

strangebuttrue? says...

3. Road junctions (170 to 183)
170
Take extra care at junctions. You should
- watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way.

Clearly a rule this helmet cam man does not appear to have read.

You can see from some of the comments above that for some reason a few cyclist appear to think they have right of way over everything else on the road a perception perhaps encourage by our council. Comments about fitting loud sounding horns which can not only make people panic but can also shock and make people very angry.
So a pedestrian is getting in the way of a bike - seems some think this is an excuse to shout or blast a horn at them. My car has a horn but I don't feel the need to use it when a bike gets in my way I slow down and wait for an opportunity to pass. Should all car drivers take a leaf out of the cyclist book and start sounding their horns every time a bike is blocking their progress? I think not. If you have ever been to Shanghai you will appreciate how miserable and pointless all this horn blowing is. Lets just slow up a bit in areas which we all share and show a bit of tolerance and consideration.
3. Road junctions (170 to 183) 170 Take extra care at junctions. You should - watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way. Clearly a rule this helmet cam man does not appear to have read. You can see from some of the comments above that for some reason a few cyclist appear to think they have right of way over everything else on the road a perception perhaps encourage by our council. Comments about fitting loud sounding horns which can not only make people panic but can also shock and make people very angry. So a pedestrian is getting in the way of a bike - seems some think this is an excuse to shout or blast a horn at them. My car has a horn but I don't feel the need to use it when a bike gets in my way I slow down and wait for an opportunity to pass. Should all car drivers take a leaf out of the cyclist book and start sounding their horns every time a bike is blocking their progress? I think not. If you have ever been to Shanghai you will appreciate how miserable and pointless all this horn blowing is. Lets just slow up a bit in areas which we all share and show a bit of tolerance and consideration. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -41

12:52pm Thu 29 May 14

Dr Brian says...

eeoodares wrote:
I remember thousands of cyclists in York as a lad, cycling, at times, on both sides of the road.
There seems to be real divisions opening up between people, I do not know if people just moan more are actually less tolerant.
Stressed or distracted people sometimes will step out onto roads, the noise of cars help to alert them, thats why bikes should have bells.
True there were a lot more cyclists - but people did not walk around staring at their mobile fones back then
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: I remember thousands of cyclists in York as a lad, cycling, at times, on both sides of the road. There seems to be real divisions opening up between people, I do not know if people just moan more are actually less tolerant. Stressed or distracted people sometimes will step out onto roads, the noise of cars help to alert them, thats why bikes should have bells.[/p][/quote]True there were a lot more cyclists - but people did not walk around staring at their mobile fones back then Dr Brian
  • Score: -1

1:02pm Thu 29 May 14

joelwithatleast6characters says...

I just watched these again.
On the off chance that the idiot filming these videos reads these messages...

YOU'RE A MORON! STOP BEING SURPRISED THAT PEOPLE WALK ON THE ROADS IN THE CITY CENTRE AND JUST SLOW DOWN!

Most of this video consists of the cycling fool speeding towards people who are already in the road, then being amazed that they haven't managed to make it across the road. If you see someone walking across the road who hasn't seen you- put your brakes on!
I just watched these again. On the off chance that the idiot filming these videos reads these messages... YOU'RE A MORON! STOP BEING SURPRISED THAT PEOPLE WALK ON THE ROADS IN THE CITY CENTRE AND JUST SLOW DOWN! Most of this video consists of the cycling fool speeding towards people who are already in the road, then being amazed that they haven't managed to make it across the road. If you see someone walking across the road who hasn't seen you- put your brakes on! joelwithatleast6characters
  • Score: -20

1:03pm Thu 29 May 14

the original Homer says...

chunkyyorkie wrote:
See quote above from the original Homer; “However, are they aware that those pedestrians who moved at the last minute would have been within their right to stand their ground?”
In the name of sanity what sort of fool are you?!
Skin & bone verses any kind of quicker and more solid moving object invariably ends worse for the human body. Why would anyone risk serious injury or worse and be laid in hospital for weeks saying “I was perfectly in my rights when I got hit!” to everyone else please take no notice of this attitude – it will likely end up causing your loved ones much misery. Jaywalking is not the way forwards.

To the press - why are you allowing so much space to this guy? His annonyminity makes him somewhat un-credible and some of what he says is uninformed and biased.
You quoted only a part of my text, and that made it appear I was condoning some sort of suicidal jaywalking.

My original comment was made in the context of pedestrians walking along the side of a road (not stepping into one), and a cyclist expecting them to move for him. I didn't say they should stand their ground, I merely pointed out that they could have.

In that situation, I personally would be able to stand my ground and not be injured.
[quote][p][bold]chunkyyorkie[/bold] wrote: See quote above from the original Homer; “However, are they aware that those pedestrians who moved at the last minute would have been within their right to stand their ground?” In the name of sanity what sort of fool are you?! Skin & bone verses any kind of quicker and more solid moving object invariably ends worse for the human body. Why would anyone risk serious injury or worse and be laid in hospital for weeks saying “I was perfectly in my rights when I got hit!” to everyone else please take no notice of this attitude – it will likely end up causing your loved ones much misery. Jaywalking is not the way forwards. To the press - why are you allowing so much space to this guy? His annonyminity makes him somewhat un-credible and some of what he says is uninformed and biased.[/p][/quote]You quoted only a part of my text, and that made it appear I was condoning some sort of suicidal jaywalking. My original comment was made in the context of pedestrians walking along the side of a road (not stepping into one), and a cyclist expecting them to move for him. I didn't say they should stand their ground, I merely pointed out that they could have. In that situation, I personally would be able to stand my ground and not be injured. the original Homer
  • Score: 1

1:52pm Thu 29 May 14

Vine Weevil says...

The person responsible for this video does nothing to help the cause of cyclists. Only in one place can I see a pedestrian deliberately walking down a cycle lane with his back to approaching vehicles. The majority of the video is taken in streets that are partially or wholly pedestrianised and in one place we can hear the horn of a car or bus that has been cut up by the cyclist. In one place where the cyclist is travelling at high speed and making pedestrians jump out the way, I was hauled off my bike by a traffic warden while moving at less than walking pace. The police should not only investigate the behaviour of this person, they also need to ask questions about why this article has been published and the peculiar voting scores on comments in the Press.
The person responsible for this video does nothing to help the cause of cyclists. Only in one place can I see a pedestrian deliberately walking down a cycle lane with his back to approaching vehicles. The majority of the video is taken in streets that are partially or wholly pedestrianised and in one place we can hear the horn of a car or bus that has been cut up by the cyclist. In one place where the cyclist is travelling at high speed and making pedestrians jump out the way, I was hauled off my bike by a traffic warden while moving at less than walking pace. The police should not only investigate the behaviour of this person, they also need to ask questions about why this article has been published and the peculiar voting scores on comments in the Press. Vine Weevil
  • Score: -26

2:36pm Thu 29 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

joelwithatleast6char
acters
wrote:
I just watched these again. On the off chance that the idiot filming these videos reads these messages... YOU'RE A MORON! STOP BEING SURPRISED THAT PEOPLE WALK ON THE ROADS IN THE CITY CENTRE AND JUST SLOW DOWN! Most of this video consists of the cycling fool speeding towards people who are already in the road, then being amazed that they haven't managed to make it across the road. If you see someone walking across the road who hasn't seen you- put your brakes on!
Quite clearly that is not what this tw@t wants to do, its all done for the theatrical effect, thats until one day the tw@t collides with somone bigger and they have to rush the tw@t to hospital to have the camera extracted from you know where!
[quote][p][bold]joelwithatleast6char acters[/bold] wrote: I just watched these again. On the off chance that the idiot filming these videos reads these messages... YOU'RE A MORON! STOP BEING SURPRISED THAT PEOPLE WALK ON THE ROADS IN THE CITY CENTRE AND JUST SLOW DOWN! Most of this video consists of the cycling fool speeding towards people who are already in the road, then being amazed that they haven't managed to make it across the road. If you see someone walking across the road who hasn't seen you- put your brakes on![/p][/quote]Quite clearly that is not what this tw@t wants to do, its all done for the theatrical effect, thats until one day the tw@t collides with somone bigger and they have to rush the tw@t to hospital to have the camera extracted from you know where! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -31

3:03pm Thu 29 May 14

nannk says...

I am a teaching a child to cross with the GREEN MAN which is confusing him when so many people cross with the red man, I stand and wait near parliament street and don't move over so when people cross on red light they cannot get passed it may not be an ideal thing to do on my behalf they huff or give me a look, my response is if we was all crossing on green man I wouldn't be in the way!
I pointed out to a York councillor that he should know better not to be on his bike down Coney street at 2pm in the afternoon, he was so embarrassed and so he should be!
I am a teaching a child to cross with the GREEN MAN which is confusing him when so many people cross with the red man, I stand and wait near parliament street and don't move over so when people cross on red light they cannot get passed it may not be an ideal thing to do on my behalf they huff or give me a look, my response is if we was all crossing on green man I wouldn't be in the way! I pointed out to a York councillor that he should know better not to be on his bike down Coney street at 2pm in the afternoon, he was so embarrassed and so he should be! nannk
  • Score: -15

4:50pm Thu 29 May 14

strangebuttrue? says...

nannk wrote:
I am a teaching a child to cross with the GREEN MAN which is confusing him when so many people cross with the red man, I stand and wait near parliament street and don't move over so when people cross on red light they cannot get passed it may not be an ideal thing to do on my behalf they huff or give me a look, my response is if we was all crossing on green man I wouldn't be in the way!
I pointed out to a York councillor that he should know better not to be on his bike down Coney street at 2pm in the afternoon, he was so embarrassed and so he should be!
The problem with the green man thing is the same as the problem with the traffic lights for vehicles. You stand there pointlessly waiting for something to happen and nothing is moving in any direction and start wondering what it is all about. So as a pedestrian you decide - well if nothing is moving I will go and just as you do a frustrated motorist or cyclist who has also been sat there wondering what is this all about sets off on a green light.
[quote][p][bold]nannk[/bold] wrote: I am a teaching a child to cross with the GREEN MAN which is confusing him when so many people cross with the red man, I stand and wait near parliament street and don't move over so when people cross on red light they cannot get passed it may not be an ideal thing to do on my behalf they huff or give me a look, my response is if we was all crossing on green man I wouldn't be in the way! I pointed out to a York councillor that he should know better not to be on his bike down Coney street at 2pm in the afternoon, he was so embarrassed and so he should be![/p][/quote]The problem with the green man thing is the same as the problem with the traffic lights for vehicles. You stand there pointlessly waiting for something to happen and nothing is moving in any direction and start wondering what it is all about. So as a pedestrian you decide - well if nothing is moving I will go and just as you do a frustrated motorist or cyclist who has also been sat there wondering what is this all about sets off on a green light. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -10

5:46pm Thu 29 May 14

pedalling paul says...

I've lost count of the number of pedestrians who foolishly believe that a line of stationary traffic s an open invitation to step off a kerb without looking, and often with eyes glued to a mobile phone. The frequent presence of a cycle lane at the side of the road doesn't register.
I've lost count of the number of pedestrians who foolishly believe that a line of stationary traffic s an open invitation to step off a kerb without looking, and often with eyes glued to a mobile phone. The frequent presence of a cycle lane at the side of the road doesn't register. pedalling paul
  • Score: 53

7:06pm Thu 29 May 14

missbouquet says...

Maybe a speed limit for cyclists is needed in town, as they silently bomb around, in built up areas, putting peoples lives at risk, if caught police should issue on the spot fines, this would make the selfish bike brigade think twice. Truth is theyre a danger and think they have right of way, worst place is around millenium bridge, try walking a dog there, and have a cyclist silently bomb up behind you, and shout abuse at you for walking on the pavement! and being in his "way". Fact is, theyre a danger to motorists, and pedestrians alike.
Maybe a speed limit for cyclists is needed in town, as they silently bomb around, in built up areas, putting peoples lives at risk, if caught police should issue on the spot fines, this would make the selfish bike brigade think twice. Truth is theyre a danger and think they have right of way, worst place is around millenium bridge, try walking a dog there, and have a cyclist silently bomb up behind you, and shout abuse at you for walking on the pavement! and being in his "way". Fact is, theyre a danger to motorists, and pedestrians alike. missbouquet
  • Score: -31

12:41am Fri 30 May 14

conorm11 says...

I used to cycle to and from school (All Saints RC) everyday from Heworth which meant going straight through town at 8.30am and about 4pm. Now, i can tell you with a lot of personal, empirical evidence, that this video sums pedestrians in York up perfectly. In fact, i gave them all a nickname (especially Coppergate/Pavement/
Stonebow) pedestrians - 'Suicidal Pedestrians'. Why? Because their complete lack of awareness meant that i nearly hit one of them EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.

People may claim that i cycle too fast or whatever has been claimed above, but in reality for most cyclists, the only way to cycle safely is to act as if you own the road and everyone is out to kill you (honestly, that's how i ride my bike). So, cycling down a street in town, i'm 2m away from the pavement to stop pedestrians walking into me. I'm cycling fast to not annoy the drivers behind me who inevitably pass me with about 2cm of space (granted, could be something to do with my 2m rule). I'm also staying back from other cyclists, cars and buses who could turn without signalling at any moment without warning.

So do I, as a cyclist, act as if I own the road? Yes! Because otherwise i would be killed!

Traffic in York is bad, we all know that. The only way to improve relations is for everyone to understand why we do what we do on the road, and NOT QUESTION ITS LEGITIMACY.
I used to cycle to and from school (All Saints RC) everyday from Heworth which meant going straight through town at 8.30am and about 4pm. Now, i can tell you with a lot of personal, empirical evidence, that this video sums pedestrians in York up perfectly. In fact, i gave them all a nickname (especially Coppergate/Pavement/ Stonebow) pedestrians - 'Suicidal Pedestrians'. Why? Because their complete lack of awareness meant that i nearly hit one of them EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. People may claim that i cycle too fast or whatever has been claimed above, but in reality for most cyclists, the only way to cycle safely is to act as if you own the road and everyone is out to kill you (honestly, that's how i ride my bike). So, cycling down a street in town, i'm 2m away from the pavement to stop pedestrians walking into me. I'm cycling fast to not annoy the drivers behind me who inevitably pass me with about 2cm of space (granted, could be something to do with my 2m rule). I'm also staying back from other cyclists, cars and buses who could turn without signalling at any moment without warning. So do I, as a cyclist, act as if I own the road? Yes! Because otherwise i would be killed! Traffic in York is bad, we all know that. The only way to improve relations is for everyone to understand why we do what we do on the road, and NOT QUESTION ITS LEGITIMACY. conorm11
  • Score: 30

12:47am Fri 30 May 14

CarefulCyclist says...

Vine Weevil wrote:
The person responsible for this video does nothing to help the cause of cyclists. Only in one place can I see a pedestrian deliberately walking down a cycle lane with his back to approaching vehicles. The majority of the video is taken in streets that are partially or wholly pedestrianised and in one place we can hear the horn of a car or bus that has been cut up by the cyclist. In one place where the cyclist is travelling at high speed and making pedestrians jump out the way, I was hauled off my bike by a traffic warden while moving at less than walking pace. The police should not only investigate the behaviour of this person, they also need to ask questions about why this article has been published and the peculiar voting scores on comments in the Press.
I only saw pedestrians endangering me by crossing against the Pelican crossing?
[quote][p][bold]Vine Weevil[/bold] wrote: The person responsible for this video does nothing to help the cause of cyclists. Only in one place can I see a pedestrian deliberately walking down a cycle lane with his back to approaching vehicles. The majority of the video is taken in streets that are partially or wholly pedestrianised and in one place we can hear the horn of a car or bus that has been cut up by the cyclist. In one place where the cyclist is travelling at high speed and making pedestrians jump out the way, I was hauled off my bike by a traffic warden while moving at less than walking pace. The police should not only investigate the behaviour of this person, they also need to ask questions about why this article has been published and the peculiar voting scores on comments in the Press.[/p][/quote]I only saw pedestrians endangering me by crossing against the Pelican crossing? CarefulCyclist
  • Score: 45

9:36am Fri 30 May 14

the original Homer says...

conorm11 wrote:
I used to cycle to and from school (All Saints RC) everyday from Heworth which meant going straight through town at 8.30am and about 4pm. Now, i can tell you with a lot of personal, empirical evidence, that this video sums pedestrians in York up perfectly. In fact, i gave them all a nickname (especially Coppergate/Pavement/

Stonebow) pedestrians - 'Suicidal Pedestrians'. Why? Because their complete lack of awareness meant that i nearly hit one of them EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.

People may claim that i cycle too fast or whatever has been claimed above, but in reality for most cyclists, the only way to cycle safely is to act as if you own the road and everyone is out to kill you (honestly, that's how i ride my bike). So, cycling down a street in town, i'm 2m away from the pavement to stop pedestrians walking into me. I'm cycling fast to not annoy the drivers behind me who inevitably pass me with about 2cm of space (granted, could be something to do with my 2m rule). I'm also staying back from other cyclists, cars and buses who could turn without signalling at any moment without warning.

So do I, as a cyclist, act as if I own the road? Yes! Because otherwise i would be killed!

Traffic in York is bad, we all know that. The only way to improve relations is for everyone to understand why we do what we do on the road, and NOT QUESTION ITS LEGITIMACY.
Most cyclists don't indicate these days and many drivers therefore rely on the cyclists' position in the road as a clue to what they're going to do, plus other clues such as them braking or looking over their shoulder.

I can easily see a situation where a driver could think you were turning right and start passing you on your left side (can't call it nearside if you're that far from the pavement).

You don't own the road, and you are risking life and limb by riding as if you do. You are taking an extreme way of avoiding what you perceive as one danger, but putting yourself in greater danger as a result.

By riding faster, you make cars need a longer gap to pass you. By riding 2m from the pavement you make cars need a wider gap to pass you. Then you complain when they pass closely.

Not saying they should pass you unsafely, but I can understand why some might.

I do wonder about this "cycling fast to not annoy the drivers". Maybe you just want to ride fast anyway, and that just makes a convenient excuse. A bit chicken and egg really - Is the speed because of the 2m, or is the 2m because of the speed?

You could of course ride closer to the pavement and slow down. If you're going slow enough, 1m is plenty of room to anticipate pedestrians.

Us understanding why one cyclist rides as if they own the road is not "the only way to improve relations". You riding like we all share the road would be a better idea.
[quote][p][bold]conorm11[/bold] wrote: I used to cycle to and from school (All Saints RC) everyday from Heworth which meant going straight through town at 8.30am and about 4pm. Now, i can tell you with a lot of personal, empirical evidence, that this video sums pedestrians in York up perfectly. In fact, i gave them all a nickname (especially Coppergate/Pavement/ Stonebow) pedestrians - 'Suicidal Pedestrians'. Why? Because their complete lack of awareness meant that i nearly hit one of them EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. People may claim that i cycle too fast or whatever has been claimed above, but in reality for most cyclists, the only way to cycle safely is to act as if you own the road and everyone is out to kill you (honestly, that's how i ride my bike). So, cycling down a street in town, i'm 2m away from the pavement to stop pedestrians walking into me. I'm cycling fast to not annoy the drivers behind me who inevitably pass me with about 2cm of space (granted, could be something to do with my 2m rule). I'm also staying back from other cyclists, cars and buses who could turn without signalling at any moment without warning. So do I, as a cyclist, act as if I own the road? Yes! Because otherwise i would be killed! Traffic in York is bad, we all know that. The only way to improve relations is for everyone to understand why we do what we do on the road, and NOT QUESTION ITS LEGITIMACY.[/p][/quote]Most cyclists don't indicate these days and many drivers therefore rely on the cyclists' position in the road as a clue to what they're going to do, plus other clues such as them braking or looking over their shoulder. I can easily see a situation where a driver could think you were turning right and start passing you on your left side (can't call it nearside if you're that far from the pavement). You don't own the road, and you are risking life and limb by riding as if you do. You are taking an extreme way of avoiding what you perceive as one danger, but putting yourself in greater danger as a result. By riding faster, you make cars need a longer gap to pass you. By riding 2m from the pavement you make cars need a wider gap to pass you. Then you complain when they pass closely. Not saying they should pass you unsafely, but I can understand why some might. I do wonder about this "cycling fast to not annoy the drivers". Maybe you just want to ride fast anyway, and that just makes a convenient excuse. A bit chicken and egg really - Is the speed because of the 2m, or is the 2m because of the speed? You could of course ride closer to the pavement and slow down. If you're going slow enough, 1m is plenty of room to anticipate pedestrians. Us understanding why one cyclist rides as if they own the road is not "the only way to improve relations". You riding like we all share the road would be a better idea. the original Homer
  • Score: 3

10:00am Fri 30 May 14

pedalling paul says...

Secondary position - a handlebars width from the kerb for normal riding.
Primary position - towards the carriageway centre as part of a signalled right turn.
The primary position should also be adopted as a cyclists approaches a pinch point, if the cyclist judges that its width would endanger them if overtaken at that point. Temporary pinch points are caused by parked vehicles and roadworks. Permanent ones include pedestrian refuges and chicanes.
A move to the primary position should always be preceded by a warning look back over the right shoulder. If you are making a left or right turn just beyond the pinch point, only hand signal as you pass through the pinch point, to avoid confusion to following road users.
Secondary position - a handlebars width from the kerb for normal riding. Primary position - towards the carriageway centre as part of a signalled right turn. The primary position should also be adopted as a cyclists approaches a pinch point, if the cyclist judges that its width would endanger them if overtaken at that point. Temporary pinch points are caused by parked vehicles and roadworks. Permanent ones include pedestrian refuges and chicanes. A move to the primary position should always be preceded by a warning look back over the right shoulder. If you are making a left or right turn just beyond the pinch point, only hand signal as you pass through the pinch point, to avoid confusion to following road users. pedalling paul
  • Score: -4

11:53am Fri 30 May 14

chunkyyorkie says...

The Green Cross Code or Tufty Club or whatever other road crossing scheme is available for pedestrians it is simple and clear always “Look right, left and then right again before stepping off the pavement”. If this was adhere to then no incidents shown on the film would ever happen. It’s that simple and the difference between life and death sometimes.
In the same way that The Highway Code should be the bible for all road users and is written very clear and simple. If everyone in control of any kind of vehicle was 100% familiar with it and took the guidance from it then many incidents and antics would not happen.
These were all put in place after mistakes were made earlier and to prevent further accidents; but when people in society choose to disregard the guidelines and laws then there is little wonder we have problems like we do.
The Green Cross Code or Tufty Club or whatever other road crossing scheme is available for pedestrians it is simple and clear always “Look right, left and then right again before stepping off the pavement”. If this was adhere to then no incidents shown on the film would ever happen. It’s that simple and the difference between life and death sometimes. In the same way that The Highway Code should be the bible for all road users and is written very clear and simple. If everyone in control of any kind of vehicle was 100% familiar with it and took the guidance from it then many incidents and antics would not happen. These were all put in place after mistakes were made earlier and to prevent further accidents; but when people in society choose to disregard the guidelines and laws then there is little wonder we have problems like we do. chunkyyorkie
  • Score: -1

12:06pm Fri 30 May 14

sounds weird but says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
Of all three videos this one amuses me the most. Look at the pedestrians who are mostly in the wrong 90% of them are so nonchalant, just look at their faces lolz. Its fairly common knowledge that people do make mistakes and errors in judgement.... I certainly do on foot, on bike and in car. A 'sorry mate', or a raised hand and a big smile usually goes a long way but most people just cant possibly accept that they might be in the wrong and admit to it.
Yes we all have to rub along somehow and and having a sense of humour does help a lot in life! We all make mistakes.
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: Of all three videos this one amuses me the most. Look at the pedestrians who are mostly in the wrong 90% of them are so nonchalant, just look at their faces lolz. Its fairly common knowledge that people do make mistakes and errors in judgement.... I certainly do on foot, on bike and in car. A 'sorry mate', or a raised hand and a big smile usually goes a long way but most people just cant possibly accept that they might be in the wrong and admit to it.[/p][/quote]Yes we all have to rub along somehow and and having a sense of humour does help a lot in life! We all make mistakes. sounds weird but
  • Score: 3

12:10pm Fri 30 May 14

Ninja9 says...

mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
Why should cyclists pay "road tax" when car drivers don't? It was phased out 75 years ago. Vehicle Excise Duty is for VEHICLES.
[quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]Why should cyclists pay "road tax" when car drivers don't? It was phased out 75 years ago. Vehicle Excise Duty is for VEHICLES. Ninja9
  • Score: -3

12:14pm Fri 30 May 14

Ninja9 says...

Miles Davis wrote:
mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
I agree with a lot of what the other writers have said...every type of road user, be it pedestrians crossing, cyclists, motorbikes or cars, can be seen to be at fault at some time. However, what planet are you on!! You are obviously one of these drivers who thinks it their road because they pay a road tax. Your not an MP, so you cant change the road law. Cyclists can, by law, use the road..get over it. And as for bike number plates and a sash!! I do believe there is a bed at Bootham, book yourself in mate!!
Drivers do NOT pay a road tax - it doesn't exist.
It is vehicle excise duty - for VEHICLES only, depending on emissions.
[quote][p][bold]Miles Davis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]I agree with a lot of what the other writers have said...every type of road user, be it pedestrians crossing, cyclists, motorbikes or cars, can be seen to be at fault at some time. However, what planet are you on!! You are obviously one of these drivers who thinks it their road because they pay a road tax. Your not an MP, so you cant change the road law. Cyclists can, by law, use the road..get over it. And as for bike number plates and a sash!! I do believe there is a bed at Bootham, book yourself in mate!![/p][/quote]Drivers do NOT pay a road tax - it doesn't exist. It is vehicle excise duty - for VEHICLES only, depending on emissions. Ninja9
  • Score: 2

12:20pm Fri 30 May 14

Ninja9 says...

eye me laddy wrote:
does he not have a bell
If I ring my bell, I get told off for being too assertive cos it's "not polite".

"Bloody cyclists ringing their bells all the time" etc...

If I try a cheery "Good morning" instead, it doesn't work with the large number of pedestrians who are wearing earphones, nor does a bell. They're oblivious when crossing roads as they neither look nor can hear.
[quote][p][bold]eye me laddy[/bold] wrote: does he not have a bell[/p][/quote]If I ring my bell, I get told off for being too assertive cos it's "not polite". "Bloody cyclists ringing their bells all the time" etc... If I try a cheery "Good morning" instead, it doesn't work with the large number of pedestrians who are wearing earphones, nor does a bell. They're oblivious when crossing roads as they neither look nor can hear. Ninja9
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Fri 30 May 14

the original Homer says...

Ninja9 wrote:
mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
Why should cyclists pay "road tax" when car drivers don't? It was phased out 75 years ago. Vehicle Excise Duty is for VEHICLES.
Whether it's called road tax or Vehicle Excise Duty makes little difference. A cycle uses the road so it could be argued it should pay road tax. A cycle is a vehicle, so it could be argued it should pay VED.

Currently though, VED is actually a combination tax. It is based on emissions and on road use. Under current rules, you have to be liable for both parts of the tax to pay anything, i.e.

Zero and very low emission vehicles currently don't pay VED because they're not liable for the emissions tax element, even if they use the roads.

Formula 1 cars, off road vehicles and any other vehicles used only on private land don't pay VED because they're not liable for the road tax element, even if they have high emissions.

VED currently only applies when emissions and public road use are combined.

Cycles are zero emission vehicles, so they don't pay VED under the current rules.
[quote][p][bold]Ninja9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]Why should cyclists pay "road tax" when car drivers don't? It was phased out 75 years ago. Vehicle Excise Duty is for VEHICLES.[/p][/quote]Whether it's called road tax or Vehicle Excise Duty makes little difference. A cycle uses the road so it could be argued it should pay road tax. A cycle is a vehicle, so it could be argued it should pay VED. Currently though, VED is actually a combination tax. It is based on emissions and on road use. Under current rules, you have to be liable for both parts of the tax to pay anything, i.e. Zero and very low emission vehicles currently don't pay VED because they're not liable for the emissions tax element, even if they use the roads. Formula 1 cars, off road vehicles and any other vehicles used only on private land don't pay VED because they're not liable for the road tax element, even if they have high emissions. VED currently only applies when emissions and public road use are combined. Cycles are zero emission vehicles, so they don't pay VED under the current rules. the original Homer
  • Score: -4

1:52pm Fri 30 May 14

the original Homer says...

chunkyyorkie wrote:
The Green Cross Code or Tufty Club or whatever other road crossing scheme is available for pedestrians it is simple and clear always “Look right, left and then right again before stepping off the pavement”. If this was adhere to then no incidents shown on the film would ever happen. It’s that simple and the difference between life and death sometimes.
In the same way that The Highway Code should be the bible for all road users and is written very clear and simple. If everyone in control of any kind of vehicle was 100% familiar with it and took the guidance from it then many incidents and antics would not happen.
These were all put in place after mistakes were made earlier and to prevent further accidents; but when people in society choose to disregard the guidelines and laws then there is little wonder we have problems like we do.
The Highway Code applies to all road users, including pedestrians.

The courts tend to refer to it when pedestrians are involved in accidents. In extreme cases pedestrians can be held liable for damage caused to the car that hit them!

One pedestrian can even take another pedestrian to court if they cause a "walking accident" by not following the highway code.
[quote][p][bold]chunkyyorkie[/bold] wrote: The Green Cross Code or Tufty Club or whatever other road crossing scheme is available for pedestrians it is simple and clear always “Look right, left and then right again before stepping off the pavement”. If this was adhere to then no incidents shown on the film would ever happen. It’s that simple and the difference between life and death sometimes. In the same way that The Highway Code should be the bible for all road users and is written very clear and simple. If everyone in control of any kind of vehicle was 100% familiar with it and took the guidance from it then many incidents and antics would not happen. These were all put in place after mistakes were made earlier and to prevent further accidents; but when people in society choose to disregard the guidelines and laws then there is little wonder we have problems like we do.[/p][/quote]The Highway Code applies to all road users, including pedestrians. The courts tend to refer to it when pedestrians are involved in accidents. In extreme cases pedestrians can be held liable for damage caused to the car that hit them! One pedestrian can even take another pedestrian to court if they cause a "walking accident" by not following the highway code. the original Homer
  • Score: 3

3:11pm Fri 30 May 14

vanmildert says...

The problem in York is that there are areas which are sometimes foot-street and sometimes not and the pedestrians forget or they are tourists and don't know what the foot-street times are....Surely anything that isn't a pedestrian has a duty to give way to a pedestrian regardless of how stupid the pedestrian is. A car of bus should give way to a pedestrian or a cyclist because the pedestrian or cyclist will always come off worse in that collision. Just because the pedestrian or cyclist is in the wrong doesn't give the car driver the right to run them over.



A few simple measures could prevent this - perhaps some of the PCSO's in strategic places for a couple of hours each day reminding pedestrians especially tourists that they shouldn't just walk into a road without looking- especially the narrow side of Ouse Bridge, the Skeldergate/Bridge Street crossing and at the Coppergate crossing?

Banning cars from the city centre would be preferable but all the lazy people from the burbs and yokels from out of town would moan about having to get on the park and ride. This will happen eventually and we will look back and think how ridiculous is was to let all that heavy traffic go through the centre of one of the world's most beautiful urban heritage sites, just for the sake of a few lazy people and ineffective councilors
The problem in York is that there are areas which are sometimes foot-street and sometimes not and the pedestrians forget or they are tourists and don't know what the foot-street times are....Surely anything that isn't a pedestrian has a duty to give way to a pedestrian regardless of how stupid the pedestrian is. A car of bus should give way to a pedestrian or a cyclist because the pedestrian or cyclist will always come off worse in that collision. Just because the pedestrian or cyclist is in the wrong doesn't give the car driver the right to run them over. A few simple measures could prevent this - perhaps some of the PCSO's in strategic places for a couple of hours each day reminding pedestrians especially tourists that they shouldn't just walk into a road without looking- especially the narrow side of Ouse Bridge, the Skeldergate/Bridge Street crossing and at the Coppergate crossing? Banning cars from the city centre would be preferable but all the lazy people from the burbs and yokels from out of town would moan about having to get on the park and ride. This will happen eventually and we will look back and think how ridiculous is was to let all that heavy traffic go through the centre of one of the world's most beautiful urban heritage sites, just for the sake of a few lazy people and ineffective councilors vanmildert
  • Score: -1

7:44pm Fri 30 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Secondary position - a handlebars width from the kerb for normal riding.
Primary position - towards the carriageway centre as part of a signalled right turn.
The primary position should also be adopted as a cyclists approaches a pinch point, if the cyclist judges that its width would endanger them if overtaken at that point. Temporary pinch points are caused by parked vehicles and roadworks. Permanent ones include pedestrian refuges and chicanes.
A move to the primary position should always be preceded by a warning look back over the right shoulder. If you are making a left or right turn just beyond the pinch point, only hand signal as you pass through the pinch point, to avoid confusion to following road users.
Yawwwwwwwn
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Secondary position - a handlebars width from the kerb for normal riding. Primary position - towards the carriageway centre as part of a signalled right turn. The primary position should also be adopted as a cyclists approaches a pinch point, if the cyclist judges that its width would endanger them if overtaken at that point. Temporary pinch points are caused by parked vehicles and roadworks. Permanent ones include pedestrian refuges and chicanes. A move to the primary position should always be preceded by a warning look back over the right shoulder. If you are making a left or right turn just beyond the pinch point, only hand signal as you pass through the pinch point, to avoid confusion to following road users.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwwwwn notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 3

10:35pm Fri 30 May 14

tiger4 says...

I do not condone a lot of the things cyclists get up to, in this case I must come to his defence re he accusation of speeding. This camera in common with most helmet cams has a wide angle lens which makes it look as though the rider is travelling a lot faster than he s, I have one in my car and it is the same.
I do not condone a lot of the things cyclists get up to, in this case I must come to his defence re he accusation of speeding. This camera in common with most helmet cams has a wide angle lens which makes it look as though the rider is travelling a lot faster than he s, I have one in my car and it is the same. tiger4
  • Score: 1

10:59pm Fri 30 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

tiger4 wrote:
I do not condone a lot of the things cyclists get up to, in this case I must come to his defence re he accusation of speeding. This camera in common with most helmet cams has a wide angle lens which makes it look as though the rider is travelling a lot faster than he s, I have one in my car and it is the same.
These cameras are brilliant, I also have one in my car (Mio 388), and its true when the clip is viewed it gives the impression that your going fast due to the wide angle lens as you say, but your always going to get those who use them for reasons other than what they were intended for, and I don't agree how this, who ever it is, uses it.
[quote][p][bold]tiger4[/bold] wrote: I do not condone a lot of the things cyclists get up to, in this case I must come to his defence re he accusation of speeding. This camera in common with most helmet cams has a wide angle lens which makes it look as though the rider is travelling a lot faster than he s, I have one in my car and it is the same.[/p][/quote]These cameras are brilliant, I also have one in my car (Mio 388), and its true when the clip is viewed it gives the impression that your going fast due to the wide angle lens as you say, but your always going to get those who use them for reasons other than what they were intended for, and I don't agree how this, who ever it is, uses it. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 2

4:19am Sat 31 May 14

Magicman! says...

GunwitchUK wrote:
mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
Typical moronic reply. Yes there are a few cyclists who think they own the roads, but this guy with his helmet cam is showing just how idiotic people are.
We're not all a danger and we don't all think York is a race track. Regardless of how fast we are going, there are speed limits which apply to ALL road users from scooters, motorcycles, cars etc.
We are not above the law and if you think we're a right royal pain, then get off your high horse and try cycling around York. We have as much right to cycle here as anyone.
And before you moan again, i'm a car and truck driver as well as a cyclist and instructor.
I get hit at least once a month by morons who just ram me out of the way, pedestrians chucking stuff at me or deliberately stepping into my way.
So wind your neck in with your high almighty attitude.
Exactly.
Sadly, the vote hacker has been on here and rigged all the good, intellectual and useful posts with -'ve votes... the averages mean the vote rigger put in -25 votes for the good posts and +25 for all anti-cyclist posts, so you can use that to work out the *true* score of the posts.

A lot of the commentards who make anti-cycling posts on here do not regularly use a bike in York - they might just hop on one sunday in June to go to the local shop and back, and that's it. Try cycling around the city every single day for a month and see how you feel then. Unless otherwise indicated, speed limits are 30mph (although if you check the law, the limits only actually apply to motorised vehicles - though on a bike you still should use it as a guide), so you would be hard pressed to be going 'too fast' for the area. The very central streets are closed off for most of the day (the video which is in Blake Street is taken early morning, this can be seen because there is hardly anybody around, and due to the position of the sun and it being blocked by buildings it means there are no direct shadows cast, so shadows cannot be used to tell the time of day properly in that instance).

The calls for bike registrations only come from small minded individuals who have a purely self-centered point of view - "I have to pay for my car to be on the road, why do these cyclists think they can freeload off the roads I'm paying for", such individuals also being of limited intelligence as it is very well known that motor vehicles are allowed onto road not by paying a tax for upkeep of the roads, but a yearly fee which is a license specific to the vehicle itself - based on weight and emissions. Cycles are very lightweight comared to a car - if you go along the cycle route between Dodsworth Avenue and Wigginton Road (a former railway route), you will see the surface condition is still quite good despite the fact that surface is now over 20 years old; how many roads are there where the surface is 20 years old and it hasn't crumbled away??
[quote][p][bold]GunwitchUK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]Typical moronic reply. Yes there are a few cyclists who think they own the roads, but this guy with his helmet cam is showing just how idiotic people are. We're not all a danger and we don't all think York is a race track. Regardless of how fast we are going, there are speed limits which apply to ALL road users from scooters, motorcycles, cars etc. We are not above the law and if you think we're a right royal pain, then get off your high horse and try cycling around York. We have as much right to cycle here as anyone. And before you moan again, i'm a car and truck driver as well as a cyclist and instructor. I get hit at least once a month by morons who just ram me out of the way, pedestrians chucking stuff at me or deliberately stepping into my way. So wind your neck in with your high almighty attitude.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Sadly, the vote hacker has been on here and rigged all the good, intellectual and useful posts with -'ve votes... the averages mean the vote rigger put in -25 votes for the good posts and +25 for all anti-cyclist posts, so you can use that to work out the *true* score of the posts. A lot of the commentards who make anti-cycling posts on here do not regularly use a bike in York - they might just hop on one sunday in June to go to the local shop and back, and that's it. Try cycling around the city every single day for a month and see how you feel then. Unless otherwise indicated, speed limits are 30mph (although if you check the law, the limits only actually apply to motorised vehicles - though on a bike you still should use it as a guide), so you would be hard pressed to be going 'too fast' for the area. The very central streets are closed off for most of the day (the video which is in Blake Street is taken early morning, this can be seen because there is hardly anybody around, and due to the position of the sun and it being blocked by buildings it means there are no direct shadows cast, so shadows cannot be used to tell the time of day properly in that instance). The calls for bike registrations only come from small minded individuals who have a purely self-centered point of view - "I have to pay for my car to be on the road, why do these cyclists think they can freeload off the roads I'm paying for", such individuals also being of limited intelligence as it is very well known that motor vehicles are allowed onto road not by paying a tax for upkeep of the roads, but a yearly fee which is a license specific to the vehicle itself - based on weight and emissions. Cycles are very lightweight comared to a car - if you go along the cycle route between Dodsworth Avenue and Wigginton Road (a former railway route), you will see the surface condition is still quite good despite the fact that surface is now over 20 years old; how many roads are there where the surface is 20 years old and it hasn't crumbled away?? Magicman!
  • Score: -4

7:36am Sat 31 May 14

Dan Crocker says...

I slow down in town and city centres, and keep an eye out for pedestrians wandering off the pavement. For pedestrians in the middle of the road or approaching a pavement, I slow, smile and wave them through to get ensure they get to the pavement quickly and safely. Makes for an easier and more pleasant life. Sometimes a slower one, but that's not always a bad thing.
I slow down in town and city centres, and keep an eye out for pedestrians wandering off the pavement. For pedestrians in the middle of the road or approaching a pavement, I slow, smile and wave them through to get ensure they get to the pavement quickly and safely. Makes for an easier and more pleasant life. Sometimes a slower one, but that's not always a bad thing. Dan Crocker
  • Score: 10

2:00pm Sat 31 May 14

m dee says...

The guys speed can be noted by in the first clip he is several shop fronts away from the pedestrians who are on the road and how many steps they manage before he up to them, it just gives some kind of measure ,had he rang a bell or horn at that initial point they would have been made aware of his presence, and to be fair the pedestrian walking near the bollards with no markings would not have expected any kind of vehicle access presuming cycling is allowed there.
One thing is clear York is full of sightseers from all over the world unfamiliar with the foot streets and all road users should expect this,on a lighter note I noticed the guy shouting Hey Hey attracted a Donkey in one of the clips.
The guys speed can be noted by in the first clip he is several shop fronts away from the pedestrians who are on the road and how many steps they manage before he up to them, it just gives some kind of measure ,had he rang a bell or horn at that initial point they would have been made aware of his presence, and to be fair the pedestrian walking near the bollards with no markings would not have expected any kind of vehicle access presuming cycling is allowed there. One thing is clear York is full of sightseers from all over the world unfamiliar with the foot streets and all road users should expect this,on a lighter note I noticed the guy shouting Hey Hey attracted a Donkey in one of the clips. m dee
  • Score: 10

6:11pm Sat 31 May 14

phreaky pete says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
councilsconscience says...
I had the biggest, loudest Dutch made bell I could find fitted a few years ago on my bike. If you hear it you'll defiantly move out of my way.


Will it echo when it’s sounded when its shoved up your own @rse?
Awesome, Kevin.... I like the way he states we'll "defiantly" get out of his way, he accidentally worded that right I think as I'd be in no rush to get out the his path either
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: councilsconscience says... I had the biggest, loudest Dutch made bell I could find fitted a few years ago on my bike. If you hear it you'll defiantly move out of my way. Will it echo when it’s sounded when its shoved up your own @rse?[/p][/quote]Awesome, Kevin.... I like the way he states we'll "defiantly" get out of his way, he accidentally worded that right I think as I'd be in no rush to get out the his path either phreaky pete
  • Score: 1

1:29am Sun 1 Jun 14

Magicman! says...

sensibleyorkresident wrote:
Some of those we're on the one hand hilarious and on the other hand frustrating and dangerous.

My experience as a cyclist and a driver is that pedestrians think that York is mostly pedestrianized and that it is entirely pedestrianized on weekends. the truth is that most of these pedestrians were simply not looking where they were going. yes cyclists are generally silent and it wouldn't be a bad idea to get a bell, but as previous posts on the subject have stated- using a bell is a fast-track to being told to **** off or being pushed off your bike. the anti-cycling brigade would be straight on here winging and moaning that "cyclists think they can do whatever they like provided they ring their bell first" cyclists can't win whatever they do, bell or no bell, and you can't reason with unreasonable people such as mitch2nd he will never be happy until the world suits him the way he wants it all the time, which will never happen. people like mitch2nd expect everyone else to follow the rules all the time but as we have seen everyone is at fault. I am assuming mitch2nd is a driver- I'd like to know if mitch2nd has ever driven over the speed limit, or parked illegally or not signalled at a junction or round about! let he who is without sin cast the first stone. (I'm not religious but that point is quite sensible)

No one looking at that video can think that it is reasonable to be wondering along the road on the double yellow lines or staggering around at a junction or change your mind half way across the road and turn back. yes cycles are silent but electric cars are pretty quiet too and there will more and more of them on the road, how many of you would feel sympathy for these pedestrians if they did the same thing in front of you when you're driving your electric car or hybrid and you get sued by them for running them over. then it'll all be "they were jay walking"- "they should have used the crossing"- "I had right of way"

you're view on this matter is perspective. we all live in the triangle of hate- cyclists hate pedestrians and drivers, drivers hate cyclists and pedestrians and pedestrians hate cyclists and drivers. I'm a pedestrian as soon as I step out of my car or off my bike just like everyone else is and I'd like to think that I would be treated with the same courtesy and respect as I treat everyone else, not distain like mitch2nd and the like.

great videos, keep em up!
Indeed... and what a shame the comments hadn't ended there. Sadly the comments were hijacked by the "all cyclists are evil and are permanently in the wrong at all times" brigade.

Having some form of audible sounding device is required when going around York - to be honest a bell isn't suitable, in all the commotion of the urban environment a pedestrian is unlikely to hear "ting, ting".... so you're looking at a bugle horn, an air horn, or something electronic. I have two different sounders, in most cases the bugle horn is enough to say "watch out, bike coming" - but if a person is blocking my route through and has failed to hear three sounds of the bugle horn then a louder sound is required... a lot of times in the city centre, people are aware they are on a road and you see they try to get across quickly. But then you get those who cross with an attitude of "yeah? what you gonna do about it?" - those who cross on a red man signal (coppergate for example), see you get a green light, look at you starting to move, and still decide to cross. And it is people like that who annoy me.

Whilst I don't think we should be as strict as having the same Jaywalking laws as the USA, I do believe there should be a policy against 'careless walking' - which would be defined as "walking along or crossing a vehicular lane, carriageway, or road in such as way which causes the driver or rider of an approaching vehicle to take evasive action". If a person crosses on a red man and the nearest car/bus/bike is nowhere near the crossing, then no harm done - but if they cross on a red man as a vehicle is about to go over the crossing, causing them to brake sharply and/or sound their horn, then that would be 'careless walking'.
[quote][p][bold]sensibleyorkresident[/bold] wrote: Some of those we're on the one hand hilarious and on the other hand frustrating and dangerous. My experience as a cyclist and a driver is that pedestrians think that York is mostly pedestrianized and that it is entirely pedestrianized on weekends. the truth is that most of these pedestrians were simply not looking where they were going. yes cyclists are generally silent and it wouldn't be a bad idea to get a bell, but as previous posts on the subject have stated- using a bell is a fast-track to being told to **** off or being pushed off your bike. the anti-cycling brigade would be straight on here winging and moaning that "cyclists think they can do whatever they like provided they ring their bell first" cyclists can't win whatever they do, bell or no bell, and you can't reason with unreasonable people such as mitch2nd he will never be happy until the world suits him the way he wants it all the time, which will never happen. people like mitch2nd expect everyone else to follow the rules all the time but as we have seen everyone is at fault. I am assuming mitch2nd is a driver- I'd like to know if mitch2nd has ever driven over the speed limit, or parked illegally or not signalled at a junction or round about! let he who is without sin cast the first stone. (I'm not religious but that point is quite sensible) No one looking at that video can think that it is reasonable to be wondering along the road on the double yellow lines or staggering around at a junction or change your mind half way across the road and turn back. yes cycles are silent but electric cars are pretty quiet too and there will more and more of them on the road, how many of you would feel sympathy for these pedestrians if they did the same thing in front of you when you're driving your electric car or hybrid and you get sued by them for running them over. then it'll all be "they were jay walking"- "they should have used the crossing"- "I had right of way" you're view on this matter is perspective. we all live in the triangle of hate- cyclists hate pedestrians and drivers, drivers hate cyclists and pedestrians and pedestrians hate cyclists and drivers. I'm a pedestrian as soon as I step out of my car or off my bike just like everyone else is and I'd like to think that I would be treated with the same courtesy and respect as I treat everyone else, not distain like mitch2nd and the like. great videos, keep em up![/p][/quote]Indeed... and what a shame the comments hadn't ended there. Sadly the comments were hijacked by the "all cyclists are evil and are permanently in the wrong at all times" brigade. Having some form of audible sounding device is required when going around York - to be honest a bell isn't suitable, in all the commotion of the urban environment a pedestrian is unlikely to hear "ting, ting".... so you're looking at a bugle horn, an air horn, or something electronic. I have two different sounders, in most cases the bugle horn is enough to say "watch out, bike coming" - but if a person is blocking my route through and has failed to hear three sounds of the bugle horn then a louder sound is required... a lot of times in the city centre, people are aware they are on a road and you see they try to get across quickly. But then you get those who cross with an attitude of "yeah? what you gonna do about it?" - those who cross on a red man signal (coppergate for example), see you get a green light, look at you starting to move, and still decide to cross. And it is people like that who annoy me. Whilst I don't think we should be as strict as having the same Jaywalking laws as the USA, I do believe there should be a policy against 'careless walking' - which would be defined as "walking along or crossing a vehicular lane, carriageway, or road in such as way which causes the driver or rider of an approaching vehicle to take evasive action". If a person crosses on a red man and the nearest car/bus/bike is nowhere near the crossing, then no harm done - but if they cross on a red man as a vehicle is about to go over the crossing, causing them to brake sharply and/or sound their horn, then that would be 'careless walking'. Magicman!
  • Score: -3

9:13am Sun 1 Jun 14

CaroleBaines says...

I cycle and people sometimes do not look when crossing the road. But this guy is going way too fast for the conditions. It is not about 'its my right, I'm on the road' - its about using common sense and protecting the safety of everyone.
I cycle and people sometimes do not look when crossing the road. But this guy is going way too fast for the conditions. It is not about 'its my right, I'm on the road' - its about using common sense and protecting the safety of everyone. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 5

6:18pm Sun 1 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
I cycle and people sometimes do not look when crossing the road. But this guy is going way too fast for the conditions. It is not about 'its my right, I'm on the road' - its about using common sense and protecting the safety of everyone.
Brolly/walking stick through spokes would slow the blighter down, what!!!
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: I cycle and people sometimes do not look when crossing the road. But this guy is going way too fast for the conditions. It is not about 'its my right, I'm on the road' - its about using common sense and protecting the safety of everyone.[/p][/quote]Brolly/walking stick through spokes would slow the blighter down, what!!! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 4

11:45am Mon 2 Jun 14

YorkCityLuke says...

Justin7 wrote:
Anyone knocked this fella off his bike yet? I reckon it's coming.
I got knocked off my bike a year or so ago, smashed my face. The guy who did it probably had your attitudes. If you knew what it felt like you probably wouldn't be wishing it on anyone.
[quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: Anyone knocked this fella off his bike yet? I reckon it's coming.[/p][/quote]I got knocked off my bike a year or so ago, smashed my face. The guy who did it probably had your attitudes. If you knew what it felt like you probably wouldn't be wishing it on anyone. YorkCityLuke
  • Score: 4

12:36pm Mon 2 Jun 14

dogcapp says...

Shouldn't this fool on the bike have a bell fitted. Not once did he warn of his approach in good time. he saw what was happening and carried on regardless. he needs taking off the road. the sooner the better.
Shouldn't this fool on the bike have a bell fitted. Not once did he warn of his approach in good time. he saw what was happening and carried on regardless. he needs taking off the road. the sooner the better. dogcapp
  • Score: 1

3:37pm Mon 2 Jun 14

yorkshirelad says...

Well, the blustering comments say it all don't they? They really show how sanctimonious people are when they are anti-cycling. Pedestrians walk out in front of bike? Blame the bike. Bike mistakenly wanders in front of car? Blame the bike. Taken together with the comments on his video of cyclists and video of motorists these comments show one thing...prejudice.

However... it is true that in the Netherlands, and no doubt in other places, pedestrians have much more priority and the onus would be on the cyclist to stay clear of them. However... in cars v bikes in the Netherlands, the onus is clearly on the cars to stay away from cyclists.

So, for a civilised existence, the bigger, more powerful, vehicle should always give way to the smaller, less powerful. So, cyclists should ride with due respect to (even technically in-the-wrong) pedestrians...BUT drivers should give due respect to (even technically in-the-wrong) cyclists AND pedestrians.

I heard it said once that the type of cyclist you get is simply a measure of the way they are treated. So if the law, the cycling facilities, the drivers and ranting commentators in local newspapers are hostile, then the cyclists will be, er...hostile!

The 'urban warrior' type of cyclist is our fault...and is a species of cyclist very rarely seen in the Netherlands because cyclists there are treated with far more resect.
Well, the blustering comments say it all don't they? They really show how sanctimonious people are when they are anti-cycling. Pedestrians walk out in front of bike? Blame the bike. Bike mistakenly wanders in front of car? Blame the bike. Taken together with the comments on his video of cyclists and video of motorists these comments show one thing...prejudice. However... it is true that in the Netherlands, and no doubt in other places, pedestrians have much more priority and the onus would be on the cyclist to stay clear of them. However... in cars v bikes in the Netherlands, the onus is clearly on the cars to stay away from cyclists. So, for a civilised existence, the bigger, more powerful, vehicle should always give way to the smaller, less powerful. So, cyclists should ride with due respect to (even technically in-the-wrong) pedestrians...BUT drivers should give due respect to (even technically in-the-wrong) cyclists AND pedestrians. I heard it said once that the type of cyclist you get is simply a measure of the way they are treated. So if the law, the cycling facilities, the drivers and ranting commentators in local newspapers are hostile, then the cyclists will be, er...hostile! The 'urban warrior' type of cyclist is our fault...and is a species of cyclist very rarely seen in the Netherlands because cyclists there are treated with far more resect. yorkshirelad
  • Score: 0

4:09pm Mon 2 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
Well, the blustering comments say it all don't they? They really show how sanctimonious people are when they are anti-cycling. Pedestrians walk out in front of bike? Blame the bike. Bike mistakenly wanders in front of car? Blame the bike. Taken together with the comments on his video of cyclists and video of motorists these comments show one thing...prejudice. However... it is true that in the Netherlands, and no doubt in other places, pedestrians have much more priority and the onus would be on the cyclist to stay clear of them. However... in cars v bikes in the Netherlands, the onus is clearly on the cars to stay away from cyclists. So, for a civilised existence, the bigger, more powerful, vehicle should always give way to the smaller, less powerful. So, cyclists should ride with due respect to (even technically in-the-wrong) pedestrians...BUT drivers should give due respect to (even technically in-the-wrong) cyclists AND pedestrians. I heard it said once that the type of cyclist you get is simply a measure of the way they are treated. So if the law, the cycling facilities, the drivers and ranting commentators in local newspapers are hostile, then the cyclists will be, er...hostile! The 'urban warrior' type of cyclist is our fault...and is a species of cyclist very rarely seen in the Netherlands because cyclists there are treated with far more resect.
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.However... it is true that in the Netherlands, and no doubt in other places, pedestrians have much more priority and the onus would be on the cyclist to stay clear of them. However... in cars v bikes in the Netherlands, the onus is clearly on the cars to stay away from cyclists............
............... You forgot to add that in Holland They have a far better approach to cycling than we do, where we try to shoe horn a cycle lane into an already narrow road they have dedicated cycle routes running alongside main roads, and seperate cycle lanes in the main cities, I used to work in Holland.
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.............I heard it said once that the type of cyclist you get is simply a measure of the way they are treated. So if the law, the cycling facilities, the drivers and ranting commentators in local newspapers are hostile, then the cyclists will be, er...hostile!.......
................ I think that also goes for car drivers too - treat them as the devil incarnate (pardon the pun) and they will treat you the same, so get off your high horse you are as bad as those you critisise.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Well, the blustering comments say it all don't they? They really show how sanctimonious people are when they are anti-cycling. Pedestrians walk out in front of bike? Blame the bike. Bike mistakenly wanders in front of car? Blame the bike. Taken together with the comments on his video of cyclists and video of motorists these comments show one thing...prejudice. However... it is true that in the Netherlands, and no doubt in other places, pedestrians have much more priority and the onus would be on the cyclist to stay clear of them. However... in cars v bikes in the Netherlands, the onus is clearly on the cars to stay away from cyclists. So, for a civilised existence, the bigger, more powerful, vehicle should always give way to the smaller, less powerful. So, cyclists should ride with due respect to (even technically in-the-wrong) pedestrians...BUT drivers should give due respect to (even technically in-the-wrong) cyclists AND pedestrians. I heard it said once that the type of cyclist you get is simply a measure of the way they are treated. So if the law, the cycling facilities, the drivers and ranting commentators in local newspapers are hostile, then the cyclists will be, er...hostile! The 'urban warrior' type of cyclist is our fault...and is a species of cyclist very rarely seen in the Netherlands because cyclists there are treated with far more resect.[/p][/quote].................... .However... it is true that in the Netherlands, and no doubt in other places, pedestrians have much more priority and the onus would be on the cyclist to stay clear of them. However... in cars v bikes in the Netherlands, the onus is clearly on the cars to stay away from cyclists............ ............... You forgot to add that in Holland They have a far better approach to cycling than we do, where we try to shoe horn a cycle lane into an already narrow road they have dedicated cycle routes running alongside main roads, and seperate cycle lanes in the main cities, I used to work in Holland. .................... .............I heard it said once that the type of cyclist you get is simply a measure of the way they are treated. So if the law, the cycling facilities, the drivers and ranting commentators in local newspapers are hostile, then the cyclists will be, er...hostile!....... ................ I think that also goes for car drivers too - treat them as the devil incarnate (pardon the pun) and they will treat you the same, so get off your high horse you are as bad as those you critisise. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 0

4:11pm Mon 2 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
yorkshirelad wrote: Well, the blustering comments say it all don't they? They really show how sanctimonious people are when they are anti-cycling. Pedestrians walk out in front of bike? Blame the bike. Bike mistakenly wanders in front of car? Blame the bike. Taken together with the comments on his video of cyclists and video of motorists these comments show one thing...prejudice. However... it is true that in the Netherlands, and no doubt in other places, pedestrians have much more priority and the onus would be on the cyclist to stay clear of them. However... in cars v bikes in the Netherlands, the onus is clearly on the cars to stay away from cyclists. So, for a civilised existence, the bigger, more powerful, vehicle should always give way to the smaller, less powerful. So, cyclists should ride with due respect to (even technically in-the-wrong) pedestrians...BUT drivers should give due respect to (even technically in-the-wrong) cyclists AND pedestrians. I heard it said once that the type of cyclist you get is simply a measure of the way they are treated. So if the law, the cycling facilities, the drivers and ranting commentators in local newspapers are hostile, then the cyclists will be, er...hostile! The 'urban warrior' type of cyclist is our fault...and is a species of cyclist very rarely seen in the Netherlands because cyclists there are treated with far more resect.
.................... .However... it is true that in the Netherlands, and no doubt in other places, pedestrians have much more priority and the onus would be on the cyclist to stay clear of them. However... in cars v bikes in the Netherlands, the onus is clearly on the cars to stay away from cyclists............ ............... You forgot to add that in Holland They have a far better approach to cycling than we do, where we try to shoe horn a cycle lane into an already narrow road they have dedicated cycle routes running alongside main roads, and seperate cycle lanes in the main cities, I used to work in Holland. .................... .............I heard it said once that the type of cyclist you get is simply a measure of the way they are treated. So if the law, the cycling facilities, the drivers and ranting commentators in local newspapers are hostile, then the cyclists will be, er...hostile!....... ................ I think that also goes for car drivers too - treat them as the devil incarnate (pardon the pun) and they will treat you the same, so get off your high horse you are as bad as those you critisise.
ooops - should be criticise not critisise
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Well, the blustering comments say it all don't they? They really show how sanctimonious people are when they are anti-cycling. Pedestrians walk out in front of bike? Blame the bike. Bike mistakenly wanders in front of car? Blame the bike. Taken together with the comments on his video of cyclists and video of motorists these comments show one thing...prejudice. However... it is true that in the Netherlands, and no doubt in other places, pedestrians have much more priority and the onus would be on the cyclist to stay clear of them. However... in cars v bikes in the Netherlands, the onus is clearly on the cars to stay away from cyclists. So, for a civilised existence, the bigger, more powerful, vehicle should always give way to the smaller, less powerful. So, cyclists should ride with due respect to (even technically in-the-wrong) pedestrians...BUT drivers should give due respect to (even technically in-the-wrong) cyclists AND pedestrians. I heard it said once that the type of cyclist you get is simply a measure of the way they are treated. So if the law, the cycling facilities, the drivers and ranting commentators in local newspapers are hostile, then the cyclists will be, er...hostile! The 'urban warrior' type of cyclist is our fault...and is a species of cyclist very rarely seen in the Netherlands because cyclists there are treated with far more resect.[/p][/quote].................... .However... it is true that in the Netherlands, and no doubt in other places, pedestrians have much more priority and the onus would be on the cyclist to stay clear of them. However... in cars v bikes in the Netherlands, the onus is clearly on the cars to stay away from cyclists............ ............... You forgot to add that in Holland They have a far better approach to cycling than we do, where we try to shoe horn a cycle lane into an already narrow road they have dedicated cycle routes running alongside main roads, and seperate cycle lanes in the main cities, I used to work in Holland. .................... .............I heard it said once that the type of cyclist you get is simply a measure of the way they are treated. So if the law, the cycling facilities, the drivers and ranting commentators in local newspapers are hostile, then the cyclists will be, er...hostile!....... ................ I think that also goes for car drivers too - treat them as the devil incarnate (pardon the pun) and they will treat you the same, so get off your high horse you are as bad as those you critisise.[/p][/quote]ooops - should be criticise not critisise notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -1

10:29am Tue 3 Jun 14

NickPheas says...

wildthing666 wrote:
I waas nearly accros a road once when a cyclist appeared from nowhere clearly thinking he had right of way. Nearly knocking me over, a car driver would have stopped to let me finish crossing the road, a lot of cyclists clearly think they own the roads.
I've twice in the past three years hit pedestrians. Not something I'm taking any proud of, but it can happen. The first time someone stepped into the road without looking, without warning. Nothing I could have done.
The second time I'd steered around someone who was oblivious to other road users but when they did realise I was there decided to jump backwards into my path.
[quote][p][bold]wildthing666[/bold] wrote: I waas nearly accros a road once when a cyclist appeared from nowhere clearly thinking he had right of way. Nearly knocking me over, a car driver would have stopped to let me finish crossing the road, a lot of cyclists clearly think they own the roads.[/p][/quote]I've twice in the past three years hit pedestrians. Not something I'm taking any proud of, but it can happen. The first time someone stepped into the road without looking, without warning. Nothing I could have done. The second time I'd steered around someone who was oblivious to other road users but when they did realise I was there decided to jump backwards into my path. NickPheas
  • Score: 1

12:06pm Tue 3 Jun 14

another grump says...

Bike riders on the road, FINE No problem. Bike riders on the footpath, NOT FINE. Bike riders in a pedestrian area going the wrong way down a one way street, NOT FINE Why is nothing done to counter this problem. How many times I have been attacked by a cyclist in Coney St or Daveygate. These are traffic free areas. About time the council did something to stop this. Pedestrian Zone or Traffic Zone Which is it.
Bike riders on the road, FINE No problem. Bike riders on the footpath, NOT FINE. Bike riders in a pedestrian area going the wrong way down a one way street, NOT FINE Why is nothing done to counter this problem. How many times I have been attacked by a cyclist in Coney St or Daveygate. These are traffic free areas. About time the council did something to stop this. Pedestrian Zone or Traffic Zone Which is it. another grump
  • Score: 5

7:07pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mitch2nd says...

Helmet cam man needs to get a life, he is just has bad as the ones he films, why can no one see this, blinkered
Helmet cam man needs to get a life, he is just has bad as the ones he films, why can no one see this, blinkered mitch2nd
  • Score: 2

7:11pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mitch2nd says...

YorkCityLuke wrote:
Justin7 wrote:
Anyone knocked this fella off his bike yet? I reckon it's coming.
I got knocked off my bike a year or so ago, smashed my face. The guy who did it probably had your attitudes. If you knew what it felt like you probably wouldn't be wishing it on anyone.
good
[quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin7[/bold] wrote: Anyone knocked this fella off his bike yet? I reckon it's coming.[/p][/quote]I got knocked off my bike a year or so ago, smashed my face. The guy who did it probably had your attitudes. If you knew what it felt like you probably wouldn't be wishing it on anyone.[/p][/quote]good mitch2nd
  • Score: -1

7:21pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mitch2nd says...

Magicman! wrote:
GunwitchUK wrote:
mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
Typical moronic reply. Yes there are a few cyclists who think they own the roads, but this guy with his helmet cam is showing just how idiotic people are.
We're not all a danger and we don't all think York is a race track. Regardless of how fast we are going, there are speed limits which apply to ALL road users from scooters, motorcycles, cars etc.
We are not above the law and if you think we're a right royal pain, then get off your high horse and try cycling around York. We have as much right to cycle here as anyone.
And before you moan again, i'm a car and truck driver as well as a cyclist and instructor.
I get hit at least once a month by morons who just ram me out of the way, pedestrians chucking stuff at me or deliberately stepping into my way.
So wind your neck in with your high almighty attitude.
Exactly.
Sadly, the vote hacker has been on here and rigged all the good, intellectual and useful posts with -'ve votes... the averages mean the vote rigger put in -25 votes for the good posts and +25 for all anti-cyclist posts, so you can use that to work out the *true* score of the posts.

A lot of the commentards who make anti-cycling posts on here do not regularly use a bike in York - they might just hop on one sunday in June to go to the local shop and back, and that's it. Try cycling around the city every single day for a month and see how you feel then. Unless otherwise indicated, speed limits are 30mph (although if you check the law, the limits only actually apply to motorised vehicles - though on a bike you still should use it as a guide), so you would be hard pressed to be going 'too fast' for the area. The very central streets are closed off for most of the day (the video which is in Blake Street is taken early morning, this can be seen because there is hardly anybody around, and due to the position of the sun and it being blocked by buildings it means there are no direct shadows cast, so shadows cannot be used to tell the time of day properly in that instance).

The calls for bike registrations only come from small minded individuals who have a purely self-centered point of view - "I have to pay for my car to be on the road, why do these cyclists think they can freeload off the roads I'm paying for", such individuals also being of limited intelligence as it is very well known that motor vehicles are allowed onto road not by paying a tax for upkeep of the roads, but a yearly fee which is a license specific to the vehicle itself - based on weight and emissions. Cycles are very lightweight comared to a car - if you go along the cycle route between Dodsworth Avenue and Wigginton Road (a former railway route), you will see the surface condition is still quite good despite the fact that surface is now over 20 years old; how many roads are there where the surface is 20 years old and it hasn't crumbled away??
Sorry dont need to wind my neck in ALL bike riders think they have the right of way, YOU have ALL forgotten the highway code when it comes to bikes

NOT ONE rider looks behind them when they pull out passed parked cars, NOT ONE you just pull out and think we have to move for you, in fact 99% of you have headphones on from your I Pods etc so you will never hear what is going on around you

I live in York and I walk everywhere, why cant you ?

Its simple ALL bike riders are a bloody pain in the arse and you always will be, you think you have a god given right to be on the road yet you pay no contribution to the upkeep of the road unlike vehicles

You all speed within inches of people on paths that are split in half to accommodate you likes of you, if i was in charge of the shambles of a Labour run council, all the cycle routes would be removed, you would pay tax and parking and be prosecuted for your crap riding, end of
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GunwitchUK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]Typical moronic reply. Yes there are a few cyclists who think they own the roads, but this guy with his helmet cam is showing just how idiotic people are. We're not all a danger and we don't all think York is a race track. Regardless of how fast we are going, there are speed limits which apply to ALL road users from scooters, motorcycles, cars etc. We are not above the law and if you think we're a right royal pain, then get off your high horse and try cycling around York. We have as much right to cycle here as anyone. And before you moan again, i'm a car and truck driver as well as a cyclist and instructor. I get hit at least once a month by morons who just ram me out of the way, pedestrians chucking stuff at me or deliberately stepping into my way. So wind your neck in with your high almighty attitude.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Sadly, the vote hacker has been on here and rigged all the good, intellectual and useful posts with -'ve votes... the averages mean the vote rigger put in -25 votes for the good posts and +25 for all anti-cyclist posts, so you can use that to work out the *true* score of the posts. A lot of the commentards who make anti-cycling posts on here do not regularly use a bike in York - they might just hop on one sunday in June to go to the local shop and back, and that's it. Try cycling around the city every single day for a month and see how you feel then. Unless otherwise indicated, speed limits are 30mph (although if you check the law, the limits only actually apply to motorised vehicles - though on a bike you still should use it as a guide), so you would be hard pressed to be going 'too fast' for the area. The very central streets are closed off for most of the day (the video which is in Blake Street is taken early morning, this can be seen because there is hardly anybody around, and due to the position of the sun and it being blocked by buildings it means there are no direct shadows cast, so shadows cannot be used to tell the time of day properly in that instance). The calls for bike registrations only come from small minded individuals who have a purely self-centered point of view - "I have to pay for my car to be on the road, why do these cyclists think they can freeload off the roads I'm paying for", such individuals also being of limited intelligence as it is very well known that motor vehicles are allowed onto road not by paying a tax for upkeep of the roads, but a yearly fee which is a license specific to the vehicle itself - based on weight and emissions. Cycles are very lightweight comared to a car - if you go along the cycle route between Dodsworth Avenue and Wigginton Road (a former railway route), you will see the surface condition is still quite good despite the fact that surface is now over 20 years old; how many roads are there where the surface is 20 years old and it hasn't crumbled away??[/p][/quote]Sorry dont need to wind my neck in ALL bike riders think they have the right of way, YOU have ALL forgotten the highway code when it comes to bikes NOT ONE rider looks behind them when they pull out passed parked cars, NOT ONE you just pull out and think we have to move for you, in fact 99% of you have headphones on from your I Pods etc so you will never hear what is going on around you I live in York and I walk everywhere, why cant you ? Its simple ALL bike riders are a bloody pain in the arse and you always will be, you think you have a god given right to be on the road yet you pay no contribution to the upkeep of the road unlike vehicles You all speed within inches of people on paths that are split in half to accommodate you likes of you, if i was in charge of the shambles of a Labour run council, all the cycle routes would be removed, you would pay tax and parking and be prosecuted for your crap riding, end of mitch2nd
  • Score: 1

7:25pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mitch2nd says...

the original Homer wrote:
Ninja9 wrote:
mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
Why should cyclists pay "road tax" when car drivers don't? It was phased out 75 years ago. Vehicle Excise Duty is for VEHICLES.
Whether it's called road tax or Vehicle Excise Duty makes little difference. A cycle uses the road so it could be argued it should pay road tax. A cycle is a vehicle, so it could be argued it should pay VED.

Currently though, VED is actually a combination tax. It is based on emissions and on road use. Under current rules, you have to be liable for both parts of the tax to pay anything, i.e.

Zero and very low emission vehicles currently don't pay VED because they're not liable for the emissions tax element, even if they use the roads.

Formula 1 cars, off road vehicles and any other vehicles used only on private land don't pay VED because they're not liable for the road tax element, even if they have high emissions.

VED currently only applies when emissions and public road use are combined.

Cycles are zero emission vehicles, so they don't pay VED under the current rules.
why should bikes be on the road and not pay towards its upkeep, you moan when you fall down pot holes, yet pay nothing towards fixing them unlike cars drivers etc

Bike riders have no rights on the road and no rights to moan when they do not contribute

I am always happy when I see a bike in bits or in a ditch
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ninja9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]Why should cyclists pay "road tax" when car drivers don't? It was phased out 75 years ago. Vehicle Excise Duty is for VEHICLES.[/p][/quote]Whether it's called road tax or Vehicle Excise Duty makes little difference. A cycle uses the road so it could be argued it should pay road tax. A cycle is a vehicle, so it could be argued it should pay VED. Currently though, VED is actually a combination tax. It is based on emissions and on road use. Under current rules, you have to be liable for both parts of the tax to pay anything, i.e. Zero and very low emission vehicles currently don't pay VED because they're not liable for the emissions tax element, even if they use the roads. Formula 1 cars, off road vehicles and any other vehicles used only on private land don't pay VED because they're not liable for the road tax element, even if they have high emissions. VED currently only applies when emissions and public road use are combined. Cycles are zero emission vehicles, so they don't pay VED under the current rules.[/p][/quote]why should bikes be on the road and not pay towards its upkeep, you moan when you fall down pot holes, yet pay nothing towards fixing them unlike cars drivers etc Bike riders have no rights on the road and no rights to moan when they do not contribute I am always happy when I see a bike in bits or in a ditch mitch2nd
  • Score: 0

7:31pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mitch2nd says...

jake777 wrote:
mitch2nd wrote:
Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way

It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle

It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law.

What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee

I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others
You cant just blame Bikes, pedestrians are as bad just take a look next time you are sat in traffic, more so when at traffic lights with a red man. They will walk out in front of any moving vehicle simply because they cant wait for it to change to green, coppergate they will walk up coppergate with their backs to traffic on the road and then when they get clipped play hell with the vehicle driver. Ask a pedestrian about the highway code and they wont give you an answer again because they have never read one if people wont obey the simple rules of the highway no matter who then the problem will never go away.
you know what Jake, I do agree with you, but you take a look at bikes, they dont look where they are going,they pull out without looking, they ride with no hands (including the postmen) they text while they are rider, they talk on their phone while riding and I could go on, and on, they are a danger to everyone

When I was at School (yes a long time ago) we in fact had lessons on bikes and were taught the highway code for bikes, is that taught now? I very much doubt it, they probably teach kids how to Skype
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Right first of all it is clear from the video that like most bike riders in York they ride far far too fast for Town, they all seem to think they are on some sort of race track, this rider is no exception and is riding too fast, bike riders in York are a right royal pain and think they own the road and everyone should get out of their way It is clear that some (I agree not all) of the pedestrians have started to cross the road when it was safe and clear, then comes along an idiot bike rider riding far too fast and silent, they have to remember they don't make a noise like a vehicle It is clear that no matter what we are never going to win when it comes to bike riders as they think they are above the law. What we would like to see is some sort or registration of bike riders across the country so they can be identified for prosecution, number plates could be an option or they have to wear a sash with an identifying number on, we also think they should pay a yearly road tax or licence fee I know bike riders will not agree but hey I don't care what you think as you are a danger to yourself and others[/p][/quote]You cant just blame Bikes, pedestrians are as bad just take a look next time you are sat in traffic, more so when at traffic lights with a red man. They will walk out in front of any moving vehicle simply because they cant wait for it to change to green, coppergate they will walk up coppergate with their backs to traffic on the road and then when they get clipped play hell with the vehicle driver. Ask a pedestrian about the highway code and they wont give you an answer again because they have never read one if people wont obey the simple rules of the highway no matter who then the problem will never go away.[/p][/quote]you know what Jake, I do agree with you, but you take a look at bikes, they dont look where they are going,they pull out without looking, they ride with no hands (including the postmen) they text while they are rider, they talk on their phone while riding and I could go on, and on, they are a danger to everyone When I was at School (yes a long time ago) we in fact had lessons on bikes and were taught the highway code for bikes, is that taught now? I very much doubt it, they probably teach kids how to Skype mitch2nd
  • Score: 1

7:38pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mitch2nd says...

the original Homer wrote:
Maquis wrote:
What these videos show is the state of society and education these days.
No longer is it the case that you are taught to obey the highway / green cross code, but to have an accident is fine as long as you know who to blame for it.

We need to get back to teaching people to have respect for each other and being observant about the world and others around you, but as with most other things, it is easier to do nothing and blame someone else for your failing.
Yes, you are right about respect and observation.

The thing about right vs wrong is that someone else will often have a different view of right and wrong. Taking to its ultimate conclusion that would result in a lot of "accidents"

The camera-cyclist appears to avoid that ultimate conclusion, but only at the very last moment. His published videos clearly show the number of times he has been in the wrong but thought he was right. Thankfully he backs down before a collision.

In that respect, he is actually cycling responsibly.

The problem I have is that he (and the Press) seem to think all the clips show examples of bad road use. Most do, but In some cases the clips are demonising people who are doing nothing wrong.
Marquis you hit the nail on the head, At School I was taught both

Kids today are taught crap and moan that they have ADHD and their parents blame their behavior on it, ITS CALLED GIVING YOU KID TOO MUCH SUGAR AND JUNK FOOD ADHD DOES NOT EXIST, ITS A COP OUT BY CRAP PARENTS. SIMPLE AS THAT
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: What these videos show is the state of society and education these days. No longer is it the case that you are taught to obey the highway / green cross code, but to have an accident is fine as long as you know who to blame for it. We need to get back to teaching people to have respect for each other and being observant about the world and others around you, but as with most other things, it is easier to do nothing and blame someone else for your failing.[/p][/quote]Yes, you are right about respect and observation. The thing about right vs wrong is that someone else will often have a different view of right and wrong. Taking to its ultimate conclusion that would result in a lot of "accidents" The camera-cyclist appears to avoid that ultimate conclusion, but only at the very last moment. His published videos clearly show the number of times he has been in the wrong but thought he was right. Thankfully he backs down before a collision. In that respect, he is actually cycling responsibly. The problem I have is that he (and the Press) seem to think all the clips show examples of bad road use. Most do, but In some cases the clips are demonising people who are doing nothing wrong.[/p][/quote]Marquis you hit the nail on the head, At School I was taught both Kids today are taught crap and moan that they have ADHD and their parents blame their behavior on it, ITS CALLED GIVING YOU KID TOO MUCH SUGAR AND JUNK FOOD ADHD DOES NOT EXIST, ITS A COP OUT BY CRAP PARENTS. SIMPLE AS THAT mitch2nd
  • Score: 1

10:44pm Tue 3 Jun 14

IxIskittlesIxI says...

Haha reminds me of Tron from the complainers programme! Also made me think "what a tool!!"
Haha reminds me of Tron from the complainers programme! Also made me think "what a tool!!" IxIskittlesIxI
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