Poppleton roadworks extended

York Press: Poppleton roadworks extended Poppleton roadworks extended

Businesses are open as usual while overnight roadworks take place around Poppleton.

Works to improve the A59/A1237 junction ready for the new Poppleton Bar Park & Ride site have been extended because of a number of unexpected utility services and difficult ground conditions.

The night time road closures have been extended and until June 15, excluding weekends and Bank Holidays, there will continue to be no vehicle access to the A1237 from the A59, and until June 6 the A1237 will be closed from B1224 to the Great North Way at York Business Park.

Access is available to all businesses and properties during these periods but drivers may need to follow diversions.

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10:41am Mon 26 May 14

Dan Atkinson says...

This has to have been one of the most poorly managed roadworks projects in York.

When I contacted the council for information on (specifically an ETA), I was *CC'd* into an email from Balfour Beatty along with 70+ others which was then used by some of the recipients to complain about the roadworks. I've now had to complain to both the council and Balfour Beatty about this.
This has to have been one of the most poorly managed roadworks projects in York. When I contacted the council for information on (specifically an ETA), I was *CC'd* into an email from Balfour Beatty along with 70+ others which was then used by some of the recipients to complain about the roadworks. I've now had to complain to both the council and Balfour Beatty about this. Dan Atkinson
  • Score: 26

12:01pm Mon 26 May 14

JohnSc says...

This sort of excuse is not good enough. Planning for work like this should include contingency from problems. If anything works should finish early not late. I hope York Council don't have to pay any more for the over-run. But who's going to reimburse the motorist for on-going disruption?

Every major roadworks that I have had to travel through in the past 10 years or more is delayed. Why?
This sort of excuse is not good enough. Planning for work like this should include contingency from problems. If anything works should finish early not late. I hope York Council don't have to pay any more for the over-run. But who's going to reimburse the motorist for on-going disruption? Every major roadworks that I have had to travel through in the past 10 years or more is delayed. Why? JohnSc
  • Score: -12

12:28pm Mon 26 May 14

bolero says...

Was no survey work carried out on this site prior to work commencing? It would appear that the ground consists mainly of sand which I believe is notorious for shifting; yet I don't see any reinforcement work taking place in order to consolidate it. Will we see even more disruption in a few years time when everything starts to slip and slide? A few kids with Tonko trucks could have done a better job.
Was no survey work carried out on this site prior to work commencing? It would appear that the ground consists mainly of sand which I believe is notorious for shifting; yet I don't see any reinforcement work taking place in order to consolidate it. Will we see even more disruption in a few years time when everything starts to slip and slide? A few kids with Tonko trucks could have done a better job. bolero
  • Score: 5

12:33pm Mon 26 May 14

Dave Ruddock says...

PRIOR PLANNING AND PREPARATION PREVENTS PI** POOR PERFORMANCE - EMPHASIS ON "PRIOR". as we all know, first figures for money and time, "Double it, add a (Zero) on pounds and time, as for Balfour they still doing flood prevention etc etc on Clifton Bridge 2 years late. lol lol
PRIOR PLANNING AND PREPARATION PREVENTS PI** POOR PERFORMANCE - EMPHASIS ON "PRIOR". as we all know, first figures for money and time, "Double it, add a (Zero) on pounds and time, as for Balfour they still doing flood prevention etc etc on Clifton Bridge 2 years late. lol lol Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -45

1:35pm Mon 26 May 14

Jack Ham says...

City of York Council unable to manage contractors or budgets? Is anybody in the least bit surprised?

This is yet another vanity project that will offer little of benefit to the tax payers of York. The Labour/Lib Dem mantra of cars bad - buses good - is rapidly falling apart as they lose control of pricing/timing and route planning to First.
City of York Council unable to manage contractors or budgets? Is anybody in the least bit surprised? This is yet another vanity project that will offer little of benefit to the tax payers of York. The Labour/Lib Dem mantra of cars bad - buses good - is rapidly falling apart as they lose control of pricing/timing and route planning to First. Jack Ham
  • Score: -65

1:41pm Mon 26 May 14

pedalling paul says...

Jack Ham wrote:
City of York Council unable to manage contractors or budgets? Is anybody in the least bit surprised?

This is yet another vanity project that will offer little of benefit to the tax payers of York. The Labour/Lib Dem mantra of cars bad - buses good - is rapidly falling apart as they lose control of pricing/timing and route planning to First.
You seem to be blisfully unaware of the contractural arrangements between CoYC and First York, in respect of the Patrk & Ride services, plus the hwider Quality Bus partnersip with all York's bus operators.
http://www.itravelyo
rk.info/buses/about-
buses-in-york/partne
rs-qbp/ for more about the latter.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: City of York Council unable to manage contractors or budgets? Is anybody in the least bit surprised? This is yet another vanity project that will offer little of benefit to the tax payers of York. The Labour/Lib Dem mantra of cars bad - buses good - is rapidly falling apart as they lose control of pricing/timing and route planning to First.[/p][/quote]You seem to be blisfully unaware of the contractural arrangements between CoYC and First York, in respect of the Patrk & Ride services, plus the hwider Quality Bus partnersip with all York's bus operators. http://www.itravelyo rk.info/buses/about- buses-in-york/partne rs-qbp/ for more about the latter. pedalling paul
  • Score: 21

3:59pm Mon 26 May 14

Jack Ham says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Jack Ham wrote:
City of York Council unable to manage contractors or budgets? Is anybody in the least bit surprised?

This is yet another vanity project that will offer little of benefit to the tax payers of York. The Labour/Lib Dem mantra of cars bad - buses good - is rapidly falling apart as they lose control of pricing/timing and route planning to First.
You seem to be blisfully unaware of the contractural arrangements between CoYC and First York, in respect of the Patrk & Ride services, plus the hwider Quality Bus partnersip with all York's bus operators.
http://www.itravelyo

rk.info/buses/about-

buses-in-york/partne

rs-qbp/ for more about the latter.
Far from it.

I acutely aware of the local authorities inability to negotiate contracts that give them, and consequently tax payers, the best return.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: City of York Council unable to manage contractors or budgets? Is anybody in the least bit surprised? This is yet another vanity project that will offer little of benefit to the tax payers of York. The Labour/Lib Dem mantra of cars bad - buses good - is rapidly falling apart as they lose control of pricing/timing and route planning to First.[/p][/quote]You seem to be blisfully unaware of the contractural arrangements between CoYC and First York, in respect of the Patrk & Ride services, plus the hwider Quality Bus partnersip with all York's bus operators. http://www.itravelyo rk.info/buses/about- buses-in-york/partne rs-qbp/ for more about the latter.[/p][/quote]Far from it. I acutely aware of the local authorities inability to negotiate contracts that give them, and consequently tax payers, the best return. Jack Ham
  • Score: 1

6:15pm Mon 26 May 14

DooftheDog says...

This work was originally scheduled to finish in April 2014. This was extended to May and now June. Considering this road forms part of the Tour De France route there is really no more slippage time left. Awful planning and management causing considerable disruption and inconvenience.
This work was originally scheduled to finish in April 2014. This was extended to May and now June. Considering this road forms part of the Tour De France route there is really no more slippage time left. Awful planning and management causing considerable disruption and inconvenience. DooftheDog
  • Score: -14

6:37pm Mon 26 May 14

nottoooldtocare says...

Is all the work really necessary? I can understand the work on the A59 P+R site adjacent to Wyevale and the end of Station road at Poppleton, but surely the work on the A1237 isn't really needed. Presumably the P+R traffic will enter and leave the new site via a roundabout or traffic lights, so why all the additional works and multi lane work on the A1237? No wonder these things take so long to deliver and cost so much. Let's just hope that those it is intended to attract use it. How much will it be into York from there if there are four of you doing a car share commute?
Is all the work really necessary? I can understand the work on the A59 P+R site adjacent to Wyevale and the end of Station road at Poppleton, but surely the work on the A1237 isn't really needed. Presumably the P+R traffic will enter and leave the new site via a roundabout or traffic lights, so why all the additional works and multi lane work on the A1237? No wonder these things take so long to deliver and cost so much. Let's just hope that those it is intended to attract use it. How much will it be into York from there if there are four of you doing a car share commute? nottoooldtocare
  • Score: 1

7:27pm Mon 26 May 14

jake777 says...

Jack Ham wrote:
City of York Council unable to manage contractors or budgets? Is anybody in the least bit surprised?

This is yet another vanity project that will offer little of benefit to the tax payers of York. The Labour/Lib Dem mantra of cars bad - buses good - is rapidly falling apart as they lose control of pricing/timing and route planning to First.
dont talk about things you know nothing about, get your facts right.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: City of York Council unable to manage contractors or budgets? Is anybody in the least bit surprised? This is yet another vanity project that will offer little of benefit to the tax payers of York. The Labour/Lib Dem mantra of cars bad - buses good - is rapidly falling apart as they lose control of pricing/timing and route planning to First.[/p][/quote]dont talk about things you know nothing about, get your facts right. jake777
  • Score: 19

9:10pm Mon 26 May 14

aitch11 says...

Thank goodness we had a mild winter,they would still have been f*nnying about at Christmas!
Thank goodness we had a mild winter,they would still have been f*nnying about at Christmas! aitch11
  • Score: 7

9:13pm Mon 26 May 14

Jack Ham says...

jake777 wrote:
Jack Ham wrote:
City of York Council unable to manage contractors or budgets? Is anybody in the least bit surprised?

This is yet another vanity project that will offer little of benefit to the tax payers of York. The Labour/Lib Dem mantra of cars bad - buses good - is rapidly falling apart as they lose control of pricing/timing and route planning to First.
dont talk about things you know nothing about, get your facts right.
My facts are quite right and the result of them is clear for all to see. I would gave thought yesterday's elections showed what happened why our elite deny the evidence the public see before their own eyes.
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: City of York Council unable to manage contractors or budgets? Is anybody in the least bit surprised? This is yet another vanity project that will offer little of benefit to the tax payers of York. The Labour/Lib Dem mantra of cars bad - buses good - is rapidly falling apart as they lose control of pricing/timing and route planning to First.[/p][/quote]dont talk about things you know nothing about, get your facts right.[/p][/quote]My facts are quite right and the result of them is clear for all to see. I would gave thought yesterday's elections showed what happened why our elite deny the evidence the public see before their own eyes. Jack Ham
  • Score: -17

9:36pm Mon 26 May 14

petethefeet says...

I just wished they had done the job 'proper' in 1987.
I just wished they had done the job 'proper' in 1987. petethefeet
  • Score: 21

10:59pm Mon 26 May 14

wallman says...

Who wanted this p+r ?
Who wanted this p+r ? wallman
  • Score: -19

6:59am Tue 27 May 14

uriahh says...

The joke is that for the vast majority of time Plant was standing idle, the majority few on site were huddled in groups gossiping or on their phones or lugging clip boards around or sitting in lorries waiting to load or offload. A good old fashioned general foreman's boot up one man's backside and a few P45's would have soon pushed the productivity up 200-300%. A simple parish council job escalated into some wanabee major project that should have been completed within 2-3 months tops.

The recent M62 variable speed/ use of hard shoulder extra lane work suffered similar lacking of drive and project/contract management exacerbated no doubt by similar ineptitude on the part of the Client on procurement, specification and contract administration which also took twice as long to complete as should have been achieved and similarly without any significant changed circumstances or works excuse.

It doesn't matter though, as it's a public works contract and we're paying for it! Private industry would not tolerate such inefficiency, or cost and time over-runs!
The joke is that for the vast majority of time Plant was standing idle, the majority few on site were huddled in groups gossiping or on their phones or lugging clip boards around or sitting in lorries waiting to load or offload. A good old fashioned general foreman's boot up one man's backside and a few P45's would have soon pushed the productivity up 200-300%. A simple parish council job escalated into some wanabee major project that should have been completed within 2-3 months tops. The recent M62 variable speed/ use of hard shoulder extra lane work suffered similar lacking of drive and project/contract management exacerbated no doubt by similar ineptitude on the part of the Client on procurement, specification and contract administration which also took twice as long to complete as should have been achieved and similarly without any significant changed circumstances or works excuse. It doesn't matter though, as it's a public works contract and we're paying for it! Private industry would not tolerate such inefficiency, or cost and time over-runs! uriahh
  • Score: -24

8:43am Tue 27 May 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

maybe i'm on my own here but..... in my industry we actually just block areas for a period of time as working without disruption is a lot more productive. I drove through this area yesterday and i have to say if they shut it for 3 days it would or should have been done by now... its not even a big road alteration.... Think i'd prefer it to be closed for a shorter time then how it is now for a long time... so many wrongs with the layout.... i know a bigger round about will solve traffic etc... or maybe it will just be the same but with busses adding to the nightmare...

I don't really agree with the scheme anyway (what is it improving??) but my word what a terrible contractor... Both P&R are taking forever and i just don't see how...
maybe i'm on my own here but..... in my industry we actually just block areas for a period of time as working without disruption is a lot more productive. I drove through this area yesterday and i have to say if they shut it for 3 days it would or should have been done by now... its not even a big road alteration.... Think i'd prefer it to be closed for a shorter time then how it is now for a long time... so many wrongs with the layout.... i know a bigger round about will solve traffic etc... or maybe it will just be the same but with busses adding to the nightmare... I don't really agree with the scheme anyway (what is it improving??) but my word what a terrible contractor... Both P&R are taking forever and i just don't see how... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 7

12:34pm Tue 27 May 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Jack Ham wrote: City of York Council unable to manage contractors or budgets? Is anybody in the least bit surprised? This is yet another vanity project that will offer little of benefit to the tax payers of York. The Labour/Lib Dem mantra of cars bad - buses good - is rapidly falling apart as they lose control of pricing/timing and route planning to First.
You seem to be blisfully unaware of the contractural arrangements between CoYC and First York, in respect of the Patrk & Ride services, plus the hwider Quality Bus partnersip with all York's bus operators. http://www.itravelyo rk.info/buses/about- buses-in-york/partne rs-qbp/ for more about the latter.
What contract might this be paul?? the one that COYC are currently getting bummed on?? Why put more busses on the roads? why not trains? first run trains don't they paul?? why sign up to a framework with one supplier? oh thats right so they can get money.....

I wonder in the COYC are paying for this E.O.T or are the contractors being charged LADs? I suspect you will find that the delays are being funded but COYC paul??

So yes a great contract paul... single party frameworks the number one way to increase prices....
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: City of York Council unable to manage contractors or budgets? Is anybody in the least bit surprised? This is yet another vanity project that will offer little of benefit to the tax payers of York. The Labour/Lib Dem mantra of cars bad - buses good - is rapidly falling apart as they lose control of pricing/timing and route planning to First.[/p][/quote]You seem to be blisfully unaware of the contractural arrangements between CoYC and First York, in respect of the Patrk & Ride services, plus the hwider Quality Bus partnersip with all York's bus operators. http://www.itravelyo rk.info/buses/about- buses-in-york/partne rs-qbp/ for more about the latter.[/p][/quote]What contract might this be paul?? the one that COYC are currently getting bummed on?? Why put more busses on the roads? why not trains? first run trains don't they paul?? why sign up to a framework with one supplier? oh thats right so they can get money..... I wonder in the COYC are paying for this E.O.T or are the contractors being charged LADs? I suspect you will find that the delays are being funded but COYC paul?? So yes a great contract paul... single party frameworks the number one way to increase prices.... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 7

7:57pm Tue 27 May 14

Basher69 says...

Unfortunately I have to pass through this site to visit my elderly father in law at Poppleton three or four times a week. The reasons for the delay in completing this work seem obvious to me. Whenever I pass the workforce are very rarely seen working. More often than not they are huddled talking in groups, asleep in cabs or on their mobile phones. To make matters worse it is yet another scheme that provides no benefit to the people of York. I'll be more aware of this when I'm stood waiting for a 10 or a 5 bus whilst empty P & R buses sail by. You just couldn't write this script!!
Unfortunately I have to pass through this site to visit my elderly father in law at Poppleton three or four times a week. The reasons for the delay in completing this work seem obvious to me. Whenever I pass the workforce are very rarely seen working. More often than not they are huddled talking in groups, asleep in cabs or on their mobile phones. To make matters worse it is yet another scheme that provides no benefit to the people of York. I'll be more aware of this when I'm stood waiting for a 10 or a 5 bus whilst empty P & R buses sail by. You just couldn't write this script!! Basher69
  • Score: 2

12:59am Wed 28 May 14

Magicman! says...

I can only think of one slightly good thing about all this... these works are so far behind that the second batch of 6 electric buses are now starting to roll off the production line at Optare, meaning the original batch of 6 can go onto another route at the same time as the Poppleton site opens (probably Monks Cross, that's where I've been seeing the green and silver battery buses recently)... had these building works all been on time, we'd only have 6 electric buses...

I will admit I'm clutching at straws to find a silver lining!
I can only think of one slightly good thing about all this... these works are so far behind that the second batch of 6 electric buses are now starting to roll off the production line at Optare, meaning the original batch of 6 can go onto another route at the same time as the Poppleton site opens (probably Monks Cross, that's where I've been seeing the green and silver battery buses recently)... had these building works all been on time, we'd only have 6 electric buses... I will admit I'm clutching at straws to find a silver lining! Magicman!
  • Score: 0

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