Elections reveal region’s Eurosceptic voting result

York Press: European election results European election results

UKIP topped the polls in Yorkshire and across the UK in the European elections.

The party won three out of six seats in the Yorkshire and the Humber region, three went to UKIP, one to the Conservative party, and two to Labour.

The region has followed the national trend of heavy losses for the Liberal Democrats, and the two UKIP gains in Yorkshire are part of 11 gains for Nigel Farage’s party nationally.

The election results for the Yorkshire and the Humber region were announced from Leeds Town Hall, where the count took place, late on Sunday evening.

UKIP’s MEPs are Amjad Bashir, Jane Collins, and Mike Hookem.

Conservative MEP Timothy Kirkhope and Labour’s Linda McAvan have been reelected. Labour’s second MEP is Richard Corbett, who served between 1996 and 2009.

The Liberal Democrats lost the seat they held since Yorkshire and the Humber became one constituency in 1999.

The BNP lost its Yorkshire seat, as well as one it held in the North West.

Among those to lose their seats in Yorkshire and the Humber was Liberal Democrat Edward McMillan-Scott, previously a senior Conservative MEP and vice president of the European Parliament, who has been in the European Parliament for 30 years.

Turnout across the region was 33.63 percent.

In York, that figure was just under the regional average at 30.91 percent.

While UKIP topped the polls in the York area with 11,294 votes, the city bucked the wider regional and national trend by bringing the Conservatives into second place with 10,953 votes, beating Labour into third with 10,645.

The Green party came fourth in York with 7,456, and the Liberal Democrats fifth with 4,924.

The rest of the results in York were An Independence from Europe – 672 votes, Yorkshire First – 598, the BNP – 349, the English Democrats – 312, NO2EU – 97.

Across the UK, Labour gained seven seats and the Greens gained one, while the Conservatives lost seven and the Liberal Democrats lost 10 leaving them with just one MEP.

At the last elections, in 2009, Yorkshire and the Humber elected two Conservative MEPs, as well as one Liberal Democrat, one Labour, one UKIP and one BNP representative to the European parliament.

 

Call for Clegg to resign as leader

JUBILANT UKIP leader Nigel Farage said his “people’s army” was on its way to Westminster .

Mr Farage said that the eurosceptic party will “give it its best shot” in next week’s by-election in Newark – an area where it finished top over the weekend despite trailing the Tories by 25,000 votes in the 2010 general election – and was hoping to secure “a good number” of MPs when the country goes to the polls in May 2015.

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg insisted he would not resign, despite pressure for a change in leader after from activists horrified by a disastrous night for the party, which lost all but one of its 12 MEPs and trailed in fifth in the national vote and sixth in Scotland.

Former MP Sandra Gidley said the Lib Dem brand had become “toxic”, while Lib Dem MP John Pugh said he wanted Business Secretary Vince Cable to take over as leader, warning that a fundamental cause of the Lib Dems’ “abysmal” showing was the fact that voters were no longer willing to listen to Mr Clegg.

“If we carry on as usual, we are like the generals at the Somme, because these losses are horrendous,” the Southport MP told the BBC News Channel. “Given the scale of the losses, to call for business as usual is frankly ludicrous.”

Speaking at Lib Dem HQ in central London, Mr Clegg said the results in local and European elections were “gutting and heartbreaking”, but insisted he would not resign, vowing to “finish the job”.

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8:17am Mon 26 May 14

Fat Harry says...

Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.
Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties. Fat Harry
  • Score: 83

8:42am Mon 26 May 14

Back and Beyond says...

Fat Harry wrote:
Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.
I Suppose that explains why the BNP lost their seat then?
[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.[/p][/quote]I Suppose that explains why the BNP lost their seat then? Back and Beyond
  • Score: -79

8:51am Mon 26 May 14

bill bailey says...

Fat Harry wrote:
Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.
Wrong Harry . Those that turned out care. Graphics has nothing to do with results. Extremist have nothing to do with it. Its peoples choice , Turn it around and one can say the Tories ,Labour, and the has been Lib- Dems are what you call extremists, They haven't listened to the people of Britain, there has been a silent majority in this country who are now waking up and voting for justice , MPs have had a free ride taking voters for granted , if it wasn't ULIP it would have been another PEOPLES party, The main parties have courted votes by licking the boots of non-indigenous British people and at sometime it was going to backfire and its starting to happen, the quicker the Tories and Labour realise Brits come first the better , By the way I voted Lib-Dem last time and Tory before that What a fool I was.
[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.[/p][/quote]Wrong Harry . Those that turned out care. Graphics has nothing to do with results. Extremist have nothing to do with it. Its peoples choice , Turn it around and one can say the Tories ,Labour, and the has been Lib- Dems are what you call extremists, They haven't listened to the people of Britain, there has been a silent majority in this country who are now waking up and voting for justice , MPs have had a free ride taking voters for granted , if it wasn't ULIP it would have been another PEOPLES party, The main parties have courted votes by licking the boots of non-indigenous British people and at sometime it was going to backfire and its starting to happen, the quicker the Tories and Labour realise Brits come first the better , By the way I voted Lib-Dem last time and Tory before that What a fool I was. bill bailey
  • Score: -80

8:54am Mon 26 May 14

big boy york says...

why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment big boy york
  • Score: -45

9:04am Mon 26 May 14

petethefeet says...

There is a huge lesson to be learned from this. Basically, when the issue involves big constitutional change then put it to a poll. I suspect few people are quibbling about our membership of a single European free market, rather it's the slippery slope of political integration that has been followed since then. The arguments are that the issues are too complex for the great unwashed but it always comes back to bite you when the electorate has not had their say. It's the same in Scotland. It was they who petitioned to join the UK but the rank-and-file have always said that they were not asked. It will not go away until that omission is corrected and Cameron has little choice but to put it to the electorate.
There is a huge lesson to be learned from this. Basically, when the issue involves big constitutional change then put it to a poll. I suspect few people are quibbling about our membership of a single European free market, rather it's the slippery slope of political integration that has been followed since then. The arguments are that the issues are too complex for the great unwashed but it always comes back to bite you when the electorate has not had their say. It's the same in Scotland. It was they who petitioned to join the UK but the rank-and-file have always said that they were not asked. It will not go away until that omission is corrected and Cameron has little choice but to put it to the electorate. petethefeet
  • Score: -9

9:14am Mon 26 May 14

CHISSY1 says...

big boy york wrote:
why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
Exactly,UKIP represent people who are sick and tired of being made to feel like second class citizens in their own country.
[quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment[/p][/quote]Exactly,UKIP represent people who are sick and tired of being made to feel like second class citizens in their own country. CHISSY1
  • Score: -51

9:16am Mon 26 May 14

Caecilius says...

Most people who supported UKIP didn't have a clue what they were voting for - like the elderly couple on the national news last week who cheerfully admitted that they knew nothing about UKIP's policies beyond the fact that it was against the EU, and actually seemed to think that their utter ignorance was something to be proud of. If they'd bothered to look into UKIP's policies, they might have noticed that (a) they're an uncosted ragbag of soundbites calculated to ring the bell of people with certain preconceived opinions and little taste for critical thinking, and (b) they're even worse for ordinary working people than the Tories'.

Here's what Yorkshire voters got. Hookem and Collins allegedly threatened disciplinary action against a UKIP activist who criticised Godfrey Bloom's ravings that unemployed people should be deprived of the vote - from which we can infer that they are sympathetic to this idea, and to who knows what other gems among Bloom's bizarre ramblings. Bashir's issue, as a director of a business found to be employing seven illegal immigrants, is well known to anyone who takes any trouble to follow the news.

This vote is the political equivalent of a toddler temper tantrum, from people who are justifiably sickened by the main parties, want convenient scapegoats to blame their problems on and refuse to recognise that Farage is just as much a career politician as all the others, and equally motivated by self-interest. He plays his voters like a violin.
Most people who supported UKIP didn't have a clue what they were voting for - like the elderly couple on the national news last week who cheerfully admitted that they knew nothing about UKIP's policies beyond the fact that it was against the EU, and actually seemed to think that their utter ignorance was something to be proud of. If they'd bothered to look into UKIP's policies, they might have noticed that (a) they're an uncosted ragbag of soundbites calculated to ring the bell of people with certain preconceived opinions and little taste for critical thinking, and (b) they're even worse for ordinary working people than the Tories'. Here's what Yorkshire voters got. Hookem and Collins allegedly threatened disciplinary action against a UKIP activist who criticised Godfrey Bloom's ravings that unemployed people should be deprived of the vote - from which we can infer that they are sympathetic to this idea, and to who knows what other gems among Bloom's bizarre ramblings. Bashir's issue, as a director of a business found to be employing seven illegal immigrants, is well known to anyone who takes any trouble to follow the news. This vote is the political equivalent of a toddler temper tantrum, from people who are justifiably sickened by the main parties, want convenient scapegoats to blame their problems on and refuse to recognise that Farage is just as much a career politician as all the others, and equally motivated by self-interest. He plays his voters like a violin. Caecilius
  • Score: 62

9:22am Mon 26 May 14

andy fowler says...

bill bailey wrote:
Fat Harry wrote:
Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.
Wrong Harry . Those that turned out care. Graphics has nothing to do with results. Extremist have nothing to do with it. Its peoples choice , Turn it around and one can say the Tories ,Labour, and the has been Lib- Dems are what you call extremists, They haven't listened to the people of Britain, there has been a silent majority in this country who are now waking up and voting for justice , MPs have had a free ride taking voters for granted , if it wasn't ULIP it would have been another PEOPLES party, The main parties have courted votes by licking the boots of non-indigenous British people and at sometime it was going to backfire and its starting to happen, the quicker the Tories and Labour realise Brits come first the better , By the way I voted Lib-Dem last time and Tory before that What a fool I was.
One year and the biggest fool of them all, Alexander, will be consigned to the bin.
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.[/p][/quote]Wrong Harry . Those that turned out care. Graphics has nothing to do with results. Extremist have nothing to do with it. Its peoples choice , Turn it around and one can say the Tories ,Labour, and the has been Lib- Dems are what you call extremists, They haven't listened to the people of Britain, there has been a silent majority in this country who are now waking up and voting for justice , MPs have had a free ride taking voters for granted , if it wasn't ULIP it would have been another PEOPLES party, The main parties have courted votes by licking the boots of non-indigenous British people and at sometime it was going to backfire and its starting to happen, the quicker the Tories and Labour realise Brits come first the better , By the way I voted Lib-Dem last time and Tory before that What a fool I was.[/p][/quote]One year and the biggest fool of them all, Alexander, will be consigned to the bin. andy fowler
  • Score: -69

9:29am Mon 26 May 14

petethefeet says...

Caecilius wrote:
Most people who supported UKIP didn't have a clue what they were voting for - like the elderly couple on the national news last week who cheerfully admitted that they knew nothing about UKIP's policies beyond the fact that it was against the EU, and actually seemed to think that their utter ignorance was something to be proud of. If they'd bothered to look into UKIP's policies, they might have noticed that (a) they're an uncosted ragbag of soundbites calculated to ring the bell of people with certain preconceived opinions and little taste for critical thinking, and (b) they're even worse for ordinary working people than the Tories'.

Here's what Yorkshire voters got. Hookem and Collins allegedly threatened disciplinary action against a UKIP activist who criticised Godfrey Bloom's ravings that unemployed people should be deprived of the vote - from which we can infer that they are sympathetic to this idea, and to who knows what other gems among Bloom's bizarre ramblings. Bashir's issue, as a director of a business found to be employing seven illegal immigrants, is well known to anyone who takes any trouble to follow the news.

This vote is the political equivalent of a toddler temper tantrum, from people who are justifiably sickened by the main parties, want convenient scapegoats to blame their problems on and refuse to recognise that Farage is just as much a career politician as all the others, and equally motivated by self-interest. He plays his voters like a violin.
Caecilius. Some of what you say might be right but the our constitution IS one-person-one-vote. Read my earlier post and comment on that please. The status quo of only putting constitutional change to a vote when you expect the answer that you want isn't good enough - and they are paying for that now!
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: Most people who supported UKIP didn't have a clue what they were voting for - like the elderly couple on the national news last week who cheerfully admitted that they knew nothing about UKIP's policies beyond the fact that it was against the EU, and actually seemed to think that their utter ignorance was something to be proud of. If they'd bothered to look into UKIP's policies, they might have noticed that (a) they're an uncosted ragbag of soundbites calculated to ring the bell of people with certain preconceived opinions and little taste for critical thinking, and (b) they're even worse for ordinary working people than the Tories'. Here's what Yorkshire voters got. Hookem and Collins allegedly threatened disciplinary action against a UKIP activist who criticised Godfrey Bloom's ravings that unemployed people should be deprived of the vote - from which we can infer that they are sympathetic to this idea, and to who knows what other gems among Bloom's bizarre ramblings. Bashir's issue, as a director of a business found to be employing seven illegal immigrants, is well known to anyone who takes any trouble to follow the news. This vote is the political equivalent of a toddler temper tantrum, from people who are justifiably sickened by the main parties, want convenient scapegoats to blame their problems on and refuse to recognise that Farage is just as much a career politician as all the others, and equally motivated by self-interest. He plays his voters like a violin.[/p][/quote]Caecilius. Some of what you say might be right but the our constitution IS one-person-one-vote. Read my earlier post and comment on that please. The status quo of only putting constitutional change to a vote when you expect the answer that you want isn't good enough - and they are paying for that now! petethefeet
  • Score: -11

9:34am Mon 26 May 14

julia brica says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
big boy york wrote:
why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
Exactly,UKIP represent people who are sick and tired of being made to feel like second class citizens in their own country.
You only have to listen to Edward Macmillan Scott for 5 minutes to realise why Dinosaurs became extinct.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment[/p][/quote]Exactly,UKIP represent people who are sick and tired of being made to feel like second class citizens in their own country.[/p][/quote]You only have to listen to Edward Macmillan Scott for 5 minutes to realise why Dinosaurs became extinct. julia brica
  • Score: -78

9:37am Mon 26 May 14

julia brica says...

Caecilius wrote:
Most people who supported UKIP didn't have a clue what they were voting for - like the elderly couple on the national news last week who cheerfully admitted that they knew nothing about UKIP's policies beyond the fact that it was against the EU, and actually seemed to think that their utter ignorance was something to be proud of. If they'd bothered to look into UKIP's policies, they might have noticed that (a) they're an uncosted ragbag of soundbites calculated to ring the bell of people with certain preconceived opinions and little taste for critical thinking, and (b) they're even worse for ordinary working people than the Tories'.

Here's what Yorkshire voters got. Hookem and Collins allegedly threatened disciplinary action against a UKIP activist who criticised Godfrey Bloom's ravings that unemployed people should be deprived of the vote - from which we can infer that they are sympathetic to this idea, and to who knows what other gems among Bloom's bizarre ramblings. Bashir's issue, as a director of a business found to be employing seven illegal immigrants, is well known to anyone who takes any trouble to follow the news.

This vote is the political equivalent of a toddler temper tantrum, from people who are justifiably sickened by the main parties, want convenient scapegoats to blame their problems on and refuse to recognise that Farage is just as much a career politician as all the others, and equally motivated by self-interest. He plays his voters like a violin.
Plays the voters like a violin ! So did Hhune. Where did he get to ?
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: Most people who supported UKIP didn't have a clue what they were voting for - like the elderly couple on the national news last week who cheerfully admitted that they knew nothing about UKIP's policies beyond the fact that it was against the EU, and actually seemed to think that their utter ignorance was something to be proud of. If they'd bothered to look into UKIP's policies, they might have noticed that (a) they're an uncosted ragbag of soundbites calculated to ring the bell of people with certain preconceived opinions and little taste for critical thinking, and (b) they're even worse for ordinary working people than the Tories'. Here's what Yorkshire voters got. Hookem and Collins allegedly threatened disciplinary action against a UKIP activist who criticised Godfrey Bloom's ravings that unemployed people should be deprived of the vote - from which we can infer that they are sympathetic to this idea, and to who knows what other gems among Bloom's bizarre ramblings. Bashir's issue, as a director of a business found to be employing seven illegal immigrants, is well known to anyone who takes any trouble to follow the news. This vote is the political equivalent of a toddler temper tantrum, from people who are justifiably sickened by the main parties, want convenient scapegoats to blame their problems on and refuse to recognise that Farage is just as much a career politician as all the others, and equally motivated by self-interest. He plays his voters like a violin.[/p][/quote]Plays the voters like a violin ! So did Hhune. Where did he get to ? julia brica
  • Score: -103

10:02am Mon 26 May 14

old_geezer says...

petethefeet's right, it's all about perceptions, which is incidentally why saying that the ECHR and the Council of Europe are not parts of the EU is pointless. People feel that the EU is a bloated, unaccountable, inefficient bureaucracy that tramples on national identities, and that feeling's made worse by economic austerity. IF - big if - mainstream politicians can promote reform, perhaps ostentatiously culling some bureaucrats and rolling back a few EU powers e.g. unrestricted freedom of labour, most support for UKIP etc would melt away.
petethefeet's right, it's all about perceptions, which is incidentally why saying that the ECHR and the Council of Europe are not parts of the EU is pointless. People feel that the EU is a bloated, unaccountable, inefficient bureaucracy that tramples on national identities, and that feeling's made worse by economic austerity. IF - big if - mainstream politicians can promote reform, perhaps ostentatiously culling some bureaucrats and rolling back a few EU powers e.g. unrestricted freedom of labour, most support for UKIP etc would melt away. old_geezer
  • Score: 24

10:23am Mon 26 May 14

bill bailey says...

andy fowler wrote:
bill bailey wrote:
Fat Harry wrote:
Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.
Wrong Harry . Those that turned out care. Graphics has nothing to do with results. Extremist have nothing to do with it. Its peoples choice , Turn it around and one can say the Tories ,Labour, and the has been Lib- Dems are what you call extremists, They haven't listened to the people of Britain, there has been a silent majority in this country who are now waking up and voting for justice , MPs have had a free ride taking voters for granted , if it wasn't ULIP it would have been another PEOPLES party, The main parties have courted votes by licking the boots of non-indigenous British people and at sometime it was going to backfire and its starting to happen, the quicker the Tories and Labour realise Brits come first the better , By the way I voted Lib-Dem last time and Tory before that What a fool I was.
One year and the biggest fool of them all, Alexander, will be consigned to the bin.
For once I agree with you, Any fool can spend other peoples money. back to the pound shop for him, If they will have him.
[quote][p][bold]andy fowler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.[/p][/quote]Wrong Harry . Those that turned out care. Graphics has nothing to do with results. Extremist have nothing to do with it. Its peoples choice , Turn it around and one can say the Tories ,Labour, and the has been Lib- Dems are what you call extremists, They haven't listened to the people of Britain, there has been a silent majority in this country who are now waking up and voting for justice , MPs have had a free ride taking voters for granted , if it wasn't ULIP it would have been another PEOPLES party, The main parties have courted votes by licking the boots of non-indigenous British people and at sometime it was going to backfire and its starting to happen, the quicker the Tories and Labour realise Brits come first the better , By the way I voted Lib-Dem last time and Tory before that What a fool I was.[/p][/quote]One year and the biggest fool of them all, Alexander, will be consigned to the bin.[/p][/quote]For once I agree with you, Any fool can spend other peoples money. back to the pound shop for him, If they will have him. bill bailey
  • Score: -18

10:58am Mon 26 May 14

THETELLEROFTALES says...

What amazes me is that a lot of people think this was a mid-term protest vote.

No it isn't...it goes a lot deeper than that.

The bluebottles have finally landed on the rotten carcasse that is British politics and corrupt / greedy Members of Parliament.

What hatches will sweep all before it.
What amazes me is that a lot of people think this was a mid-term protest vote. No it isn't...it goes a lot deeper than that. The bluebottles have finally landed on the rotten carcasse that is British politics and corrupt / greedy Members of Parliament. What hatches will sweep all before it. THETELLEROFTALES
  • Score: -10

11:03am Mon 26 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Just looking at the results for York and Labour are behind Conservative, with UKIP coming in first place.

Well done UKIP
Just looking at the results for York and Labour are behind Conservative, with UKIP coming in first place. Well done UKIP oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -93

11:32am Mon 26 May 14

ThePhilth says...

Voter apathy in the Euro elections should not be seen as acceptance of the bigoted 'policies' of parties such as UKIP. Almost 70% of local people eligible to vote, didn't do so and I'm confident that if they had, the picture would be very different to the one we are looking at now.
I've taken a great deal of interest in the election personally, and have spoken at length to many different people about it. Local people from all walks of life, and I can say with confidence that the vast majority that I have spoken to, do not agree with the policies of UKIP. They also didn't feel the need to vote this time (through apathy), which in many ways has skewed the true picture of political thought (or lack of) in this country.
For people to think that a party that is run and funded by ex-Tory's who left the Tory party because it wasn't right wing Tory enough is an actually a credible alternative is laughable. Their policies are quite simply a one way street to ruin for the UK. Sadly, one misguided 'headline' policy is all that people appear to be looking at, and most don't even fully understand that.
I'm pretty sure the vocal minority will have voted this down in no time, patting themselves on the back as they do, but thankfully, no matter what they seem to think, they don't represent the views of the silent majority here.
Voter apathy in the Euro elections should not be seen as acceptance of the bigoted 'policies' of parties such as UKIP. Almost 70% of local people eligible to vote, didn't do so and I'm confident that if they had, the picture would be very different to the one we are looking at now. I've taken a great deal of interest in the election personally, and have spoken at length to many different people about it. Local people from all walks of life, and I can say with confidence that the vast majority that I have spoken to, do not agree with the policies of UKIP. They also didn't feel the need to vote this time (through apathy), which in many ways has skewed the true picture of political thought (or lack of) in this country. For people to think that a party that is run and funded by ex-Tory's who left the Tory party because it wasn't right wing Tory enough is an actually a credible alternative is laughable. Their policies are quite simply a one way street to ruin for the UK. Sadly, one misguided 'headline' policy is all that people appear to be looking at, and most don't even fully understand that. I'm pretty sure the vocal minority will have voted this down in no time, patting themselves on the back as they do, but thankfully, no matter what they seem to think, they don't represent the views of the silent majority here. ThePhilth
  • Score: 33

12:10pm Mon 26 May 14

eeoodares says...

THETELLEROFTALES wrote:
What amazes me is that a lot of people think this was a mid-term protest vote.

No it isn't...it goes a lot deeper than that.

The bluebottles have finally landed on the rotten carcasse that is British politics and corrupt / greedy Members of Parliament.

What hatches will sweep all before it.
Ahem, are you suggesting there is no impropriety within UKIP? Interesting opinion, would you be willing to bet that there will not be a UKIP scandal within 12 weeks?
It is a protest vote, as will be demonstrated when they fail to become a 'player' in the UK Parliament. If they expect to get into Government they will need to demonstrate some policies other than 'yah-boo sucks to you'.
[quote][p][bold]THETELLEROFTALES[/bold] wrote: What amazes me is that a lot of people think this was a mid-term protest vote. No it isn't...it goes a lot deeper than that. The bluebottles have finally landed on the rotten carcasse that is British politics and corrupt / greedy Members of Parliament. What hatches will sweep all before it.[/p][/quote]Ahem, are you suggesting there is no impropriety within UKIP? Interesting opinion, would you be willing to bet that there will not be a UKIP scandal within 12 weeks? It is a protest vote, as will be demonstrated when they fail to become a 'player' in the UK Parliament. If they expect to get into Government they will need to demonstrate some policies other than 'yah-boo sucks to you'. eeoodares
  • Score: 31

12:12pm Mon 26 May 14

Old_Man says...

UKIP represents brainless morons like CHISSY1. I think that just about sums it up.

To those of you who did vote UKIP, just be careful what you wish for.

And to those of you who didn't vote at all, shame on you.
UKIP represents brainless morons like CHISSY1. I think that just about sums it up. To those of you who did vote UKIP, just be careful what you wish for. And to those of you who didn't vote at all, shame on you. Old_Man
  • Score: 36

12:25pm Mon 26 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Fat Harry wrote:
Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.
Yes, surprised that Labour got as many votes as they did, if more had voted the extremist left would have been really hammered by increasingly popular UKIP.

A poor turnout in 2010 gave Labour control of York Council and returned Hugh Bayley to his seat as York MP - things will be different next year......

I bet the success of UKIP will encourage lots of extra candidates standing for them in York, to take more seats from Liebour!
[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.[/p][/quote]Yes, surprised that Labour got as many votes as they did, if more had voted the extremist left would have been really hammered by increasingly popular UKIP. A poor turnout in 2010 gave Labour control of York Council and returned Hugh Bayley to his seat as York MP - things will be different next year...... I bet the success of UKIP will encourage lots of extra candidates standing for them in York, to take more seats from Liebour! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -27

12:38pm Mon 26 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

bill bailey wrote:
Fat Harry wrote: Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.
Wrong Harry . Those that turned out care. Graphics has nothing to do with results. Extremist have nothing to do with it. Its peoples choice , Turn it around and one can say the Tories ,Labour, and the has been Lib- Dems are what you call extremists, They haven't listened to the people of Britain, there has been a silent majority in this country who are now waking up and voting for justice , MPs have had a free ride taking voters for granted , if it wasn't ULIP it would have been another PEOPLES party, The main parties have courted votes by licking the boots of non-indigenous British people and at sometime it was going to backfire and its starting to happen, the quicker the Tories and Labour realise Brits come first the better , By the way I voted Lib-Dem last time and Tory before that What a fool I was.
Absolutely right!

Labour would have every town and city being like London. The mass-immigration con trick they started and pursued from 1997 to 2010, assisted bu the EU, has backfired. The indigenous population has had enough, and UKIP will continue to gain strength. People will only be more keen to rub Labour moaners like Fat Harry's nose in it. The silent majority have spoken, and they will not be bullied or silenced!

UKIP got it right, the others got it badly wrong!
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.[/p][/quote]Wrong Harry . Those that turned out care. Graphics has nothing to do with results. Extremist have nothing to do with it. Its peoples choice , Turn it around and one can say the Tories ,Labour, and the has been Lib- Dems are what you call extremists, They haven't listened to the people of Britain, there has been a silent majority in this country who are now waking up and voting for justice , MPs have had a free ride taking voters for granted , if it wasn't ULIP it would have been another PEOPLES party, The main parties have courted votes by licking the boots of non-indigenous British people and at sometime it was going to backfire and its starting to happen, the quicker the Tories and Labour realise Brits come first the better , By the way I voted Lib-Dem last time and Tory before that What a fool I was.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right! Labour would have every town and city being like London. The mass-immigration con trick they started and pursued from 1997 to 2010, assisted bu the EU, has backfired. The indigenous population has had enough, and UKIP will continue to gain strength. People will only be more keen to rub Labour moaners like Fat Harry's nose in it. The silent majority have spoken, and they will not be bullied or silenced! UKIP got it right, the others got it badly wrong! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -18

12:42pm Mon 26 May 14

Old_Man says...

NOT the silent majority. Let's make that clear. It was the vocal MINORITY!

In a full turn out election UKIP wouldn't get one seat anywhere in Britain.
NOT the silent majority. Let's make that clear. It was the vocal MINORITY! In a full turn out election UKIP wouldn't get one seat anywhere in Britain. Old_Man
  • Score: 18

12:43pm Mon 26 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Fat Harry wrote:
Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.
Graphic demonstration of how extremist Labour & EU immigration policies result in the majority following a party that speaks up against them!

UKIP - the voice of the people - standing up against the Labour liars, bullies, and cheats!
[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.[/p][/quote]Graphic demonstration of how extremist Labour & EU immigration policies result in the majority following a party that speaks up against them! UKIP - the voice of the people - standing up against the Labour liars, bullies, and cheats! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -11

12:45pm Mon 26 May 14

Old_Man says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Fat Harry wrote:
Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.
Graphic demonstration of how extremist Labour & EU immigration policies result in the majority following a party that speaks up against them!

UKIP - the voice of the people - standing up against the Labour liars, bullies, and cheats!
Hilarious. "The voice of the people"??? They certainly don't speak for me or anyone I know.

Then again, none of my friends blame others for their own shortcomings.

Idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.[/p][/quote]Graphic demonstration of how extremist Labour & EU immigration policies result in the majority following a party that speaks up against them! UKIP - the voice of the people - standing up against the Labour liars, bullies, and cheats![/p][/quote]Hilarious. "The voice of the people"??? They certainly don't speak for me or anyone I know. Then again, none of my friends blame others for their own shortcomings. Idiot. Old_Man
  • Score: 30

12:45pm Mon 26 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Old_Man wrote:
NOT the silent majority. Let's make that clear. It was the vocal MINORITY! In a full turn out election UKIP wouldn't get one seat anywhere in Britain.
Ha, ha, ha.....

No one believes the Liebour lies and smears....

Prepare for the revolution in 2015!
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: NOT the silent majority. Let's make that clear. It was the vocal MINORITY! In a full turn out election UKIP wouldn't get one seat anywhere in Britain.[/p][/quote]Ha, ha, ha..... No one believes the Liebour lies and smears.... Prepare for the revolution in 2015! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -23

12:50pm Mon 26 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Old_Man wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Fat Harry wrote: Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.
Graphic demonstration of how extremist Labour & EU immigration policies result in the majority following a party that speaks up against them! UKIP - the voice of the people - standing up against the Labour liars, bullies, and cheats!
Hilarious. "The voice of the people"??? They certainly don't speak for me or anyone I know. Then again, none of my friends blame others for their own shortcomings. Idiot.
Stop moaning. Get out more and make more friends. You obviously don't have many.

Glad to hear the few friends you do have, take responsibility for their bad judgement though. You should do the same.....

Vote UKIP next time, and join the increasing majority who want to control their own country. You know it makes sense :-)
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Graphic demonstration of how poor turnouts help extremist parties.[/p][/quote]Graphic demonstration of how extremist Labour & EU immigration policies result in the majority following a party that speaks up against them! UKIP - the voice of the people - standing up against the Labour liars, bullies, and cheats![/p][/quote]Hilarious. "The voice of the people"??? They certainly don't speak for me or anyone I know. Then again, none of my friends blame others for their own shortcomings. Idiot.[/p][/quote]Stop moaning. Get out more and make more friends. You obviously don't have many. Glad to hear the few friends you do have, take responsibility for their bad judgement though. You should do the same..... Vote UKIP next time, and join the increasing majority who want to control their own country. You know it makes sense :-) Badgers Drift
  • Score: -29

12:53pm Mon 26 May 14

Yorkieand says...

big boy york wrote:
why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??
[quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment[/p][/quote]Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not?? Yorkieand
  • Score: 43

12:55pm Mon 26 May 14

Old_Man says...

Voting UKIP is the equivalent of spoiling your ballot paper.

Anyway I'm not arguing with you. I'd get more sense out of a melon.
Voting UKIP is the equivalent of spoiling your ballot paper. Anyway I'm not arguing with you. I'd get more sense out of a melon. Old_Man
  • Score: 23

12:58pm Mon 26 May 14

Yorkieand says...

Old_Man wrote:
UKIP represents brainless morons like CHISSY1. I think that just about sums it up.

To those of you who did vote UKIP, just be careful what you wish for.

And to those of you who didn't vote at all, shame on you.
Spot on in every word.
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: UKIP represents brainless morons like CHISSY1. I think that just about sums it up. To those of you who did vote UKIP, just be careful what you wish for. And to those of you who didn't vote at all, shame on you.[/p][/quote]Spot on in every word. Yorkieand
  • Score: 21

1:03pm Mon 26 May 14

nearlyman says...

Caecilius wrote:
Most people who supported UKIP didn't have a clue what they were voting for - like the elderly couple on the national news last week who cheerfully admitted that they knew nothing about UKIP's policies beyond the fact that it was against the EU, and actually seemed to think that their utter ignorance was something to be proud of. If they'd bothered to look into UKIP's policies, they might have noticed that (a) they're an uncosted ragbag of soundbites calculated to ring the bell of people with certain preconceived opinions and little taste for critical thinking, and (b) they're even worse for ordinary working people than the Tories'.

Here's what Yorkshire voters got. Hookem and Collins allegedly threatened disciplinary action against a UKIP activist who criticised Godfrey Bloom's ravings that unemployed people should be deprived of the vote - from which we can infer that they are sympathetic to this idea, and to who knows what other gems among Bloom's bizarre ramblings. Bashir's issue, as a director of a business found to be employing seven illegal immigrants, is well known to anyone who takes any trouble to follow the news.

This vote is the political equivalent of a toddler temper tantrum, from people who are justifiably sickened by the main parties, want convenient scapegoats to blame their problems on and refuse to recognise that Farage is just as much a career politician as all the others, and equally motivated by self-interest. He plays his voters like a violin.
So you just dont like him because hes better at it than all the other spongers !
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: Most people who supported UKIP didn't have a clue what they were voting for - like the elderly couple on the national news last week who cheerfully admitted that they knew nothing about UKIP's policies beyond the fact that it was against the EU, and actually seemed to think that their utter ignorance was something to be proud of. If they'd bothered to look into UKIP's policies, they might have noticed that (a) they're an uncosted ragbag of soundbites calculated to ring the bell of people with certain preconceived opinions and little taste for critical thinking, and (b) they're even worse for ordinary working people than the Tories'. Here's what Yorkshire voters got. Hookem and Collins allegedly threatened disciplinary action against a UKIP activist who criticised Godfrey Bloom's ravings that unemployed people should be deprived of the vote - from which we can infer that they are sympathetic to this idea, and to who knows what other gems among Bloom's bizarre ramblings. Bashir's issue, as a director of a business found to be employing seven illegal immigrants, is well known to anyone who takes any trouble to follow the news. This vote is the political equivalent of a toddler temper tantrum, from people who are justifiably sickened by the main parties, want convenient scapegoats to blame their problems on and refuse to recognise that Farage is just as much a career politician as all the others, and equally motivated by self-interest. He plays his voters like a violin.[/p][/quote]So you just dont like him because hes better at it than all the other spongers ! nearlyman
  • Score: -32

1:11pm Mon 26 May 14

CHISSY1 says...

Old_Man wrote:
UKIP represents brainless morons like CHISSY1. I think that just about sums it up.

To those of you who did vote UKIP, just be careful what you wish for.

And to those of you who didn't vote at all, shame on you.
Very typical unable to hold an intelligent conversation so you have to be rude and insulting.Lets face it the only people who slate UKIP are those do gooders that are brainwashed by lying two faced politicians.
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: UKIP represents brainless morons like CHISSY1. I think that just about sums it up. To those of you who did vote UKIP, just be careful what you wish for. And to those of you who didn't vote at all, shame on you.[/p][/quote]Very typical unable to hold an intelligent conversation so you have to be rude and insulting.Lets face it the only people who slate UKIP are those do gooders that are brainwashed by lying two faced politicians. CHISSY1
  • Score: -11

1:26pm Mon 26 May 14

Old_Man says...

I'm just in the Snick having a drink Chissy. Pop down and I'll let you engage me with your wisdom.

Then I'll shoot you down in flames.
I'm just in the Snick having a drink Chissy. Pop down and I'll let you engage me with your wisdom. Then I'll shoot you down in flames. Old_Man
  • Score: 15

1:39pm Mon 26 May 14

Jack Ham says...

Until we are allowed to GENUINELY debate things like immigration, multi-culturalism, welfare state and taxation the like of UKIP will continue to prosper.

Lecturing the population on what they should think & feel is what created this mess. The mainstream now need to find a way out.
Until we are allowed to GENUINELY debate things like immigration, multi-culturalism, welfare state and taxation the like of UKIP will continue to prosper. Lecturing the population on what they should think & feel is what created this mess. The mainstream now need to find a way out. Jack Ham
  • Score: 19

1:54pm Mon 26 May 14

bill bailey says...

Old_Man wrote:
I'm just in the Snick having a drink Chissy. Pop down and I'll let you engage me with your wisdom.

Then I'll shoot you down in flames.
What makes you think you are wise.? as far as I have read. you appear to me to be a self-opinionated know all who thinks you are right the rest don't count.let me tell you UKIP is here to stay live with it, those who have been down trodden by the establishment and MPs telling us the EU is our protectors and there is no other way have met their match, If Chissy wont come I will I know a BULL s@@@@r when I smell one.
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: I'm just in the Snick having a drink Chissy. Pop down and I'll let you engage me with your wisdom. Then I'll shoot you down in flames.[/p][/quote]What makes you think you are wise.? as far as I have read. you appear to me to be a self-opinionated know all who thinks you are right the rest don't count.let me tell you UKIP is here to stay live with it, those who have been down trodden by the establishment and MPs telling us the EU is our protectors and there is no other way have met their match, If Chissy wont come I will I know a BULL s@@@@r when I smell one. bill bailey
  • Score: -2

1:58pm Mon 26 May 14

wildthing666 says...

That's why for the Scottish independence vote you're going to get foreigners voting to stay in the EU while genuine Scots will vote to get out.
That's why for the Scottish independence vote you're going to get foreigners voting to stay in the EU while genuine Scots will vote to get out. wildthing666
  • Score: -15

2:01pm Mon 26 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Yorkieand wrote:
big boy york wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??
If speaking up for your York-born frends and family who get put to the back of the housing queue because the council favour immigrants is wrong, then call them what you like. At the end of the day immigrants are being given housing before those who were here first, and that is WRONG!

UKIP are against such practices, that is why more vote for them than Labour in York!
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment[/p][/quote]Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??[/p][/quote]If speaking up for your York-born frends and family who get put to the back of the housing queue because the council favour immigrants is wrong, then call them what you like. At the end of the day immigrants are being given housing before those who were here first, and that is WRONG! UKIP are against such practices, that is why more vote for them than Labour in York! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -33

2:06pm Mon 26 May 14

bill bailey says...

Jack Ham wrote:
Until we are allowed to GENUINELY debate things like immigration, multi-culturalism, welfare state and taxation the like of UKIP will continue to prosper.

Lecturing the population on what they should think & feel is what created this mess. The mainstream now need to find a way out.
Jack Ham if this was a debate on this country Its politics, Its humanity, and the way MPs treat those that pay their wages, your comment would get 10/10
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: Until we are allowed to GENUINELY debate things like immigration, multi-culturalism, welfare state and taxation the like of UKIP will continue to prosper. Lecturing the population on what they should think & feel is what created this mess. The mainstream now need to find a way out.[/p][/quote]Jack Ham if this was a debate on this country Its politics, Its humanity, and the way MPs treat those that pay their wages, your comment would get 10/10 bill bailey
  • Score: 1

2:12pm Mon 26 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Yorkieand wrote:
big boy york wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??
They don't, only the ones who do disclaim this, are the ones who aren't, but are wrongly labelled by people like you.

It is not racism to be against political ideologies which put immigrants before the indigenous population - it is called fairness!

Allowing too many immgrants to come into this country where there aren't enough houses for those already here, is WRONG!
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment[/p][/quote]Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??[/p][/quote]They don't, only the ones who do disclaim this, are the ones who aren't, but are wrongly labelled by people like you. It is not racism to be against political ideologies which put immigrants before the indigenous population - it is called fairness! Allowing too many immgrants to come into this country where there aren't enough houses for those already here, is WRONG! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -23

2:34pm Mon 26 May 14

Flabbergob says...

2009 Turnout 34%

2014 Turnout 33.8%

Some people will be happy believing that some how lots of stupid people decided to vote this time, based on the fact they don't like the result.
Some have suggested they didn't know what they were voting for without considering they might actually be voting against something but then who in their right mind would use preconceived opinions with little taste for critical thinking. Some individuals might even use a singular example to support their ill conceived opinion that millions of UKIP voters are stupid, ignorant and racist without regard for the fact that they are mostly dissafected Labour, Conservative and LibDem voters (intelligent at the time they toed the line).

If the main political parties continue to ignore public opinion then they are almost certainly going to see more of the same. Much the same with local politics, York is ripe for the taking and no one to blame but Labour who will be attempting to bury 3 years of discontent over the next 11 months (good luck with that one).

Watch the Newark bi-election, watch it very closely.

I don't make any excuses, I didn't vote UKIP but I am not surprised by the result.
2009 Turnout 34% 2014 Turnout 33.8% Some people will be happy believing that some how lots of stupid people decided to vote this time, based on the fact they don't like the result. Some have suggested they didn't know what they were voting for without considering they might actually be voting against something but then who in their right mind would use preconceived opinions with little taste for critical thinking. Some individuals might even use a singular example to support their ill conceived opinion that millions of UKIP voters are stupid, ignorant and racist without regard for the fact that they are mostly dissafected Labour, Conservative and LibDem voters (intelligent at the time they toed the line). If the main political parties continue to ignore public opinion then they are almost certainly going to see more of the same. Much the same with local politics, York is ripe for the taking and no one to blame but Labour who will be attempting to bury 3 years of discontent over the next 11 months (good luck with that one). Watch the Newark bi-election, watch it very closely. I don't make any excuses, I didn't vote UKIP but I am not surprised by the result. Flabbergob
  • Score: 22

2:35pm Mon 26 May 14

piaggio1 says...

Well at least the er libs got well n truly stuffed.
And as for liebour...n the cons....never seen a bunch of totally immoral ar**oles.remember they are ALL CORRUPT.
Well at least the er libs got well n truly stuffed. And as for liebour...n the cons....never seen a bunch of totally immoral ar**oles.remember they are ALL CORRUPT. piaggio1
  • Score: -8

2:39pm Mon 26 May 14

andy fowler says...

piaggio1 wrote:
Well at least the er libs got well n truly stuffed.
And as for liebour...n the cons....never seen a bunch of totally immoral ar**oles.remember they are ALL CORRUPT.
Specially those three who have ruined York. More damage than any invader in 2000 years, Alexander the Pillager
[quote][p][bold]piaggio1[/bold] wrote: Well at least the er libs got well n truly stuffed. And as for liebour...n the cons....never seen a bunch of totally immoral ar**oles.remember they are ALL CORRUPT.[/p][/quote]Specially those three who have ruined York. More damage than any invader in 2000 years, Alexander the Pillager andy fowler
  • Score: -7

3:09pm Mon 26 May 14

andy fowler says...

Nick Clegg "I want to finish the job, Take the Libdems to zero MPs and oblivion at the general election"
Nick Clegg "I want to finish the job, Take the Libdems to zero MPs and oblivion at the general election" andy fowler
  • Score: -7

3:22pm Mon 26 May 14

bolero says...

Not bad to tell that the kids are off school. They all seem to be spending their time on here.
Not bad to tell that the kids are off school. They all seem to be spending their time on here. bolero
  • Score: -2

3:34pm Mon 26 May 14

petethefeet says...

ThePhilth wrote:
Voter apathy in the Euro elections should not be seen as acceptance of the bigoted 'policies' of parties such as UKIP. Almost 70% of local people eligible to vote, didn't do so and I'm confident that if they had, the picture would be very different to the one we are looking at now.
I've taken a great deal of interest in the election personally, and have spoken at length to many different people about it. Local people from all walks of life, and I can say with confidence that the vast majority that I have spoken to, do not agree with the policies of UKIP. They also didn't feel the need to vote this time (through apathy), which in many ways has skewed the true picture of political thought (or lack of) in this country.
For people to think that a party that is run and funded by ex-Tory's who left the Tory party because it wasn't right wing Tory enough is an actually a credible alternative is laughable. Their policies are quite simply a one way street to ruin for the UK. Sadly, one misguided 'headline' policy is all that people appear to be looking at, and most don't even fully understand that.
I'm pretty sure the vocal minority will have voted this down in no time, patting themselves on the back as they do, but thankfully, no matter what they seem to think, they don't represent the views of the silent majority here.
I didn't vote because a) some aspects of UKIP worry me and b) I believe that if most of us ignore Europe then it will (eventually) go away. Beyond a single market, it was never a match made in heaven. Fundamentally, there is a class of culture between North and South Europe and we were once very happy in the Scandinavian Free Trade Block (EFTA). In the North, by and large there is honour in business. Shake hands with a German and it's a bond. In contrast, Spain, Italy and Greece are riddled with corruption. I have a friend who never returned home to Monte Casino because he would have had to "buy a job". The only problem that I have with drawing a line between North and South Europe is "where would I stick France?".
[quote][p][bold]ThePhilth[/bold] wrote: Voter apathy in the Euro elections should not be seen as acceptance of the bigoted 'policies' of parties such as UKIP. Almost 70% of local people eligible to vote, didn't do so and I'm confident that if they had, the picture would be very different to the one we are looking at now. I've taken a great deal of interest in the election personally, and have spoken at length to many different people about it. Local people from all walks of life, and I can say with confidence that the vast majority that I have spoken to, do not agree with the policies of UKIP. They also didn't feel the need to vote this time (through apathy), which in many ways has skewed the true picture of political thought (or lack of) in this country. For people to think that a party that is run and funded by ex-Tory's who left the Tory party because it wasn't right wing Tory enough is an actually a credible alternative is laughable. Their policies are quite simply a one way street to ruin for the UK. Sadly, one misguided 'headline' policy is all that people appear to be looking at, and most don't even fully understand that. I'm pretty sure the vocal minority will have voted this down in no time, patting themselves on the back as they do, but thankfully, no matter what they seem to think, they don't represent the views of the silent majority here.[/p][/quote]I didn't vote because a) some aspects of UKIP worry me and b) I believe that if most of us ignore Europe then it will (eventually) go away. Beyond a single market, it was never a match made in heaven. Fundamentally, there is a class of culture between North and South Europe and we were once very happy in the Scandinavian Free Trade Block (EFTA). In the North, by and large there is honour in business. Shake hands with a German and it's a bond. In contrast, Spain, Italy and Greece are riddled with corruption. I have a friend who never returned home to Monte Casino because he would have had to "buy a job". The only problem that I have with drawing a line between North and South Europe is "where would I stick France?". petethefeet
  • Score: -8

3:50pm Mon 26 May 14

Old_Man says...

bill bailey wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
I'm just in the Snick having a drink Chissy. Pop down and I'll let you engage me with your wisdom.

Then I'll shoot you down in flames.
What makes you think you are wise.? as far as I have read. you appear to me to be a self-opinionated know all who thinks you are right the rest don't count.let me tell you UKIP is here to stay live with it, those who have been down trodden by the establishment and MPs telling us the EU is our protectors and there is no other way have met their match, If Chissy wont come I will I know a BULL s@@@@r when I smell one.
What a tit end
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: I'm just in the Snick having a drink Chissy. Pop down and I'll let you engage me with your wisdom. Then I'll shoot you down in flames.[/p][/quote]What makes you think you are wise.? as far as I have read. you appear to me to be a self-opinionated know all who thinks you are right the rest don't count.let me tell you UKIP is here to stay live with it, those who have been down trodden by the establishment and MPs telling us the EU is our protectors and there is no other way have met their match, If Chissy wont come I will I know a BULL s@@@@r when I smell one.[/p][/quote]What a tit end Old_Man
  • Score: 28

3:52pm Mon 26 May 14

Old_Man says...

Let me know when you wanna meet for a drink Bill. Make sure you wear your Union Jack shorts and string vest so that I recognise you.
Let me know when you wanna meet for a drink Bill. Make sure you wear your Union Jack shorts and string vest so that I recognise you. Old_Man
  • Score: 14

4:15pm Mon 26 May 14

inmandres says...

Well, the kippers are happy today. I hope they enjoy their moment in the sun because, in the cold light of day, there are still more pro-EU MEP's in Brussels so even if the kippers break the habit of a lifetime and actually turn up their influence will be negligible.
I also notice that they still do not run any councils after the local elections.
Of course, they still have zero MP's and for them to think that they will cause some kind of revolution at the next general election is fanciful to say the least. They are on track to return 8 MP's, if that.
Well, the kippers are happy today. I hope they enjoy their moment in the sun because, in the cold light of day, there are still more pro-EU MEP's in Brussels so even if the kippers break the habit of a lifetime and actually turn up their influence will be negligible. I also notice that they still do not run any councils after the local elections. Of course, they still have zero MP's and for them to think that they will cause some kind of revolution at the next general election is fanciful to say the least. They are on track to return 8 MP's, if that. inmandres
  • Score: 17

4:22pm Mon 26 May 14

CHISSY1 says...

Old_Man wrote:
Let me know when you wanna meet for a drink Bill. Make sure you wear your Union Jack shorts and string vest so that I recognise you.
What a disgusting person you are,are you related to that other disgusting creature,known as White Dee?.
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: Let me know when you wanna meet for a drink Bill. Make sure you wear your Union Jack shorts and string vest so that I recognise you.[/p][/quote]What a disgusting person you are,are you related to that other disgusting creature,known as White Dee?. CHISSY1
  • Score: -15

4:23pm Mon 26 May 14

piaggio1 says...

Old man?. You are coming across as the self opinionated socialist appologiser.remember its a very fi e line between socialism n fascism.
Both of em are so determined NOT to hear each others sides.
Apart from that I.ve never called it snick ..its the anglers to me .Always has bin.
Old man?. You are coming across as the self opinionated socialist appologiser.remember its a very fi e line between socialism n fascism. Both of em are so determined NOT to hear each others sides. Apart from that I.ve never called it snick ..its the anglers to me .Always has bin. piaggio1
  • Score: -19

4:24pm Mon 26 May 14

Old_Man says...

Socialism and fascism are miles apart!
Socialism and fascism are miles apart! Old_Man
  • Score: 7

4:54pm Mon 26 May 14

big boy york says...

Yorkieand wrote:
big boy york wrote:
why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??
excuse me yorkieand how can you say that about me when you dont bloody know me for your imformation my best friend is black & i work with 5 asians who i socialise with outside work, before you utter such crap think what your about to say ****
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment[/p][/quote]Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??[/p][/quote]excuse me yorkieand how can you say that about me when you dont bloody know me for your imformation my best friend is black & i work with 5 asians who i socialise with outside work, before you utter such crap think what your about to say **** big boy york
  • Score: -13

4:54pm Mon 26 May 14

big boy york says...

Yorkieand wrote:
big boy york wrote:
why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??
excuse me yorkieand how can you say that about me when you dont bloody know me for your imformation my best friend is black & i work with 5 asians who i socialise with outside work, before you utter such crap think what your about to say ****
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment[/p][/quote]Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??[/p][/quote]excuse me yorkieand how can you say that about me when you dont bloody know me for your imformation my best friend is black & i work with 5 asians who i socialise with outside work, before you utter such crap think what your about to say **** big boy york
  • Score: -7

4:59pm Mon 26 May 14

big boy york says...

Yorkieand wrote:
big boy york wrote:
why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??
excuse me yorkieand how can you say that about me when you dont bloody know me for your imformation my best friend is black & i work with 5 asians who i socialise with outside work, before you utter such crap think what your about to say
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment[/p][/quote]Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??[/p][/quote]excuse me yorkieand how can you say that about me when you dont bloody know me for your imformation my best friend is black & i work with 5 asians who i socialise with outside work, before you utter such crap think what your about to say big boy york
  • Score: -12

5:01pm Mon 26 May 14

petethefeet says...

Old_Man wrote:
Socialism and fascism are miles apart!
So why did hitler called it "national socialism"? Basically, they are bound by the same doctrine that the state is mighty. Any student of evolution and who understands the term "cheaters & detracters" knows why any such supposedly altruistic sentiments are doomed to fail?
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: Socialism and fascism are miles apart![/p][/quote]So why did hitler called it "national socialism"? Basically, they are bound by the same doctrine that the state is mighty. Any student of evolution and who understands the term "cheaters & detracters" knows why any such supposedly altruistic sentiments are doomed to fail? petethefeet
  • Score: -21

5:04pm Mon 26 May 14

bill bailey says...

Old_Man wrote:
Socialism and fascism are miles apart!
Before you open your big orifice Mussolini was a Fascist , Hitler was Socialist,
Joined at the hip. History not one of your best subjects Old Man.Get yourself an education before you belittle others, that's why I wouldn't be seen in you company.
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: Socialism and fascism are miles apart![/p][/quote]Before you open your big orifice Mussolini was a Fascist , Hitler was Socialist, Joined at the hip. History not one of your best subjects Old Man.Get yourself an education before you belittle others, that's why I wouldn't be seen in you company. bill bailey
  • Score: -15

5:29pm Mon 26 May 14

Old_Man says...

Fantastic lack of knowledge and education. Haven't laughed so much in weeks. Cheers fellas.
Fantastic lack of knowledge and education. Haven't laughed so much in weeks. Cheers fellas. Old_Man
  • Score: 21

5:38pm Mon 26 May 14

Old_Man says...

big boy york wrote:
Yorkieand wrote:
big boy york wrote:
why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??
excuse me yorkieand how can you say that about me when you dont bloody know me for your imformation my best friend is black & i work with 5 asians who i socialise with outside work, before you utter such crap think what your about to say
Most racists have a black best friend.
[quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment[/p][/quote]Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??[/p][/quote]excuse me yorkieand how can you say that about me when you dont bloody know me for your imformation my best friend is black & i work with 5 asians who i socialise with outside work, before you utter such crap think what your about to say[/p][/quote]Most racists have a black best friend. Old_Man
  • Score: 28

5:42pm Mon 26 May 14

petethefeet says...

Old_Man wrote:
Fantastic lack of knowledge and education. Haven't laughed so much in weeks. Cheers fellas.
So, you present no facts or evidence but (attempt to) ridicule others that do? Seems to be that you've got a dose of dementia old man?
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: Fantastic lack of knowledge and education. Haven't laughed so much in weeks. Cheers fellas.[/p][/quote]So, you present no facts or evidence but (attempt to) ridicule others that do? Seems to be that you've got a dose of dementia old man? petethefeet
  • Score: -27

5:43pm Mon 26 May 14

Old_Man says...

You can't educate sawdust.
You can't educate sawdust. Old_Man
  • Score: 24

5:55pm Mon 26 May 14

petethefeet says...

Old_Man wrote:
You can't educate sawdust.
Is that yourself you're talking about??????????
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: You can't educate sawdust.[/p][/quote]Is that yourself you're talking about?????????? petethefeet
  • Score: -24

5:55pm Mon 26 May 14

spottycow says...

0ld man talks out of his BACKSIDE . Also if you dont VOTE you cant WHINE so its a case of VOTE OR SHUT UP .
0ld man talks out of his BACKSIDE . Also if you dont VOTE you cant WHINE so its a case of VOTE OR SHUT UP . spottycow
  • Score: -15

5:56pm Mon 26 May 14

piaggio1 says...

Politics n religion !!!!!
The couse of most major war.s
When will we learn.....??
Politics n religion !!!!! The couse of most major war.s When will we learn.....?? piaggio1
  • Score: -1

6:13pm Mon 26 May 14

petethefeet says...

spottycow wrote:
0ld man talks out of his BACKSIDE . Also if you dont VOTE you cant WHINE so its a case of VOTE OR SHUT UP .
If I vote then I am contributing to it's upkeep. I never wanted European Integration in the first place. If I vote then I only have the option to select Farage, who has said that he wants in so he can shut it down, but will also mean that I have to take all the rest of their baggage as well. Or I select one of the other gangs whom I suppose want to go along with the party. So, I'm ignoring it, hope that most of the rest of the people do likewise and perhaps, one day, the penny will drop that we really don't want it.
[quote][p][bold]spottycow[/bold] wrote: 0ld man talks out of his BACKSIDE . Also if you dont VOTE you cant WHINE so its a case of VOTE OR SHUT UP .[/p][/quote]If I vote then I am contributing to it's upkeep. I never wanted European Integration in the first place. If I vote then I only have the option to select Farage, who has said that he wants in so he can shut it down, but will also mean that I have to take all the rest of their baggage as well. Or I select one of the other gangs whom I suppose want to go along with the party. So, I'm ignoring it, hope that most of the rest of the people do likewise and perhaps, one day, the penny will drop that we really don't want it. petethefeet
  • Score: -23

6:14pm Mon 26 May 14

nottoooldtocare says...

Jack Ham and Bill B are getting somewhere near to the issue we now face. Open and honest debate has long since disappeared as most people are frightened to say what they think or feel. Touch on immigration and you are branded a racist, touch on gender and you are deemed to be sexist. I personally don't believe I am either of these, but I have some strong views that others would no doubt disagree with.

We seem obsessed with trying to please every minority group out there with little thought for how this might feel for those who just get on with living life and treating others with respect. Look at the government messages on the BBC for pensions, and when they visit schools with the news and the like, it' is invariably a selection of coloured people who are represented or asked for their contribution, do't we have white children any-more? How many other countries would allow their native tongue to become the second language in their education system? There are countless other areas that concern the rank and file residents of the UK and this includes many other nationalities not just the good old white Anglo Saxons.
When we have 2 million or so unemployed, immigration should stopped until we have managed to get the majority these people back to work. The exception to this being where we are looking for true specialisms. I don't believe this to be a racist view, surely it is common sense! If we need people in Lincolnshire fields picking flowers of vegetables for example (something the Eastern Europeans appear both willing and able to do), why can't we train the unemployed to do this? Arguments will no doubt centre around being better off on benefit etc, so why not make up the difference? Doing this would give people the chance to earn legitimate money, get their self worth and respect back and may well find it is easier to get another job once they are in full time employment. There should be no detriment to the quality of life and "the difference" would be made up by the government. It would also blow holes in the argument by some that "we can't afford to work for that" etc.
Until British politics change and we can hold really respectful and honest debates about local and everyday issues without fear of the PC Police looking for opportunities to prosecute big names; then we will see greater levels of apathy from voters, more protest voting, with the risk being the far right or left parties will gain seats that most rational thinking voters wouldn't want to see them holding. Coupled with that of course, is seeing all elected representatives leading by example, demonstrating personal savings and efficiencies and not milking the system for every penny they can "because they are entitled to it". If the MP's and their ilk do it, then why wouldn't others? I could go on...........! :)
Jack Ham and Bill B are getting somewhere near to the issue we now face. Open and honest debate has long since disappeared as most people are frightened to say what they think or feel. Touch on immigration and you are branded a racist, touch on gender and you are deemed to be sexist. I personally don't believe I am either of these, but I have some strong views that others would no doubt disagree with. We seem obsessed with trying to please every minority group out there with little thought for how this might feel for those who just get on with living life and treating others with respect. Look at the government messages on the BBC for pensions, and when they visit schools with the news and the like, it' is invariably a selection of coloured people who are represented or asked for their contribution, do't we have white children any-more? How many other countries would allow their native tongue to become the second language in their education system? There are countless other areas that concern the rank and file residents of the UK and this includes many other nationalities not just the good old white Anglo Saxons. When we have 2 million or so unemployed, immigration should stopped until we have managed to get the majority these people back to work. The exception to this being where we are looking for true specialisms. I don't believe this to be a racist view, surely it is common sense! If we need people in Lincolnshire fields picking flowers of vegetables for example (something the Eastern Europeans appear both willing and able to do), why can't we train the unemployed to do this? Arguments will no doubt centre around being better off on benefit etc, so why not make up the difference? Doing this would give people the chance to earn legitimate money, get their self worth and respect back and may well find it is easier to get another job once they are in full time employment. There should be no detriment to the quality of life and "the difference" would be made up by the government. It would also blow holes in the argument by some that "we can't afford to work for that" etc. Until British politics change and we can hold really respectful and honest debates about local and everyday issues without fear of the PC Police looking for opportunities to prosecute big names; then we will see greater levels of apathy from voters, more protest voting, with the risk being the far right or left parties will gain seats that most rational thinking voters wouldn't want to see them holding. Coupled with that of course, is seeing all elected representatives leading by example, demonstrating personal savings and efficiencies and not milking the system for every penny they can "because they are entitled to it". If the MP's and their ilk do it, then why wouldn't others? I could go on...........! :) nottoooldtocare
  • Score: -20

6:24pm Mon 26 May 14

Old_Man says...

A very long post. Full of populist regurgitation I'm afraid. I welcome other cultures and languages along with all the diversity it brings.

The problems in the UK are caused by our own people. Not immigrants.
A very long post. Full of populist regurgitation I'm afraid. I welcome other cultures and languages along with all the diversity it brings. The problems in the UK are caused by our own people. Not immigrants. Old_Man
  • Score: 21

6:27pm Mon 26 May 14

Alf Garnett says...

big boy york wrote:
why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
90% ? You know this from your empirically verfiable statistical analysis of last night's harangue at the Dock and Duck no doubt. "I'm no racist" Why do you feel impelled to say that ?
[quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment[/p][/quote]90% ? You know this from your empirically verfiable statistical analysis of last night's harangue at the Dock and Duck no doubt. "I'm no racist" Why do you feel impelled to say that ? Alf Garnett
  • Score: 28

6:29pm Mon 26 May 14

Alf Garnett says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
big boy york wrote:
why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
Exactly,UKIP represent people who are sick and tired of being made to feel like second class citizens in their own country.
I suppose that if you feel second class then perhaps you have good reason.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment[/p][/quote]Exactly,UKIP represent people who are sick and tired of being made to feel like second class citizens in their own country.[/p][/quote]I suppose that if you feel second class then perhaps you have good reason. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 24

6:31pm Mon 26 May 14

petethefeet says...

nottoooldtocare wrote:
Jack Ham and Bill B are getting somewhere near to the issue we now face. Open and honest debate has long since disappeared as most people are frightened to say what they think or feel. Touch on immigration and you are branded a racist, touch on gender and you are deemed to be sexist. I personally don't believe I am either of these, but I have some strong views that others would no doubt disagree with.

We seem obsessed with trying to please every minority group out there with little thought for how this might feel for those who just get on with living life and treating others with respect. Look at the government messages on the BBC for pensions, and when they visit schools with the news and the like, it' is invariably a selection of coloured people who are represented or asked for their contribution, do't we have white children any-more? How many other countries would allow their native tongue to become the second language in their education system? There are countless other areas that concern the rank and file residents of the UK and this includes many other nationalities not just the good old white Anglo Saxons.
When we have 2 million or so unemployed, immigration should stopped until we have managed to get the majority these people back to work. The exception to this being where we are looking for true specialisms. I don't believe this to be a racist view, surely it is common sense! If we need people in Lincolnshire fields picking flowers of vegetables for example (something the Eastern Europeans appear both willing and able to do), why can't we train the unemployed to do this? Arguments will no doubt centre around being better off on benefit etc, so why not make up the difference? Doing this would give people the chance to earn legitimate money, get their self worth and respect back and may well find it is easier to get another job once they are in full time employment. There should be no detriment to the quality of life and "the difference" would be made up by the government. It would also blow holes in the argument by some that "we can't afford to work for that" etc.
Until British politics change and we can hold really respectful and honest debates about local and everyday issues without fear of the PC Police looking for opportunities to prosecute big names; then we will see greater levels of apathy from voters, more protest voting, with the risk being the far right or left parties will gain seats that most rational thinking voters wouldn't want to see them holding. Coupled with that of course, is seeing all elected representatives leading by example, demonstrating personal savings and efficiencies and not milking the system for every penny they can "because they are entitled to it". If the MP's and their ilk do it, then why wouldn't others? I could go on...........! :)
You speak well and I guess close to the heart of the majority of 'indigenous' people. And I too believe that the law should lean towards the beliefs, culture and institutions of the 'indigenous' people - whatever they are? But I stop there for I also know what can happen if we venture not very far along that road. In 1939, Britain was about the only country willing to open it's doors to the forsaken Jews of Europe and I'm mightily proud that we did.
As for politicians? Somebody once said that the qualities necessary to be successful in politics should automatically debar you from it. Sez it all!
[quote][p][bold]nottoooldtocare[/bold] wrote: Jack Ham and Bill B are getting somewhere near to the issue we now face. Open and honest debate has long since disappeared as most people are frightened to say what they think or feel. Touch on immigration and you are branded a racist, touch on gender and you are deemed to be sexist. I personally don't believe I am either of these, but I have some strong views that others would no doubt disagree with. We seem obsessed with trying to please every minority group out there with little thought for how this might feel for those who just get on with living life and treating others with respect. Look at the government messages on the BBC for pensions, and when they visit schools with the news and the like, it' is invariably a selection of coloured people who are represented or asked for their contribution, do't we have white children any-more? How many other countries would allow their native tongue to become the second language in their education system? There are countless other areas that concern the rank and file residents of the UK and this includes many other nationalities not just the good old white Anglo Saxons. When we have 2 million or so unemployed, immigration should stopped until we have managed to get the majority these people back to work. The exception to this being where we are looking for true specialisms. I don't believe this to be a racist view, surely it is common sense! If we need people in Lincolnshire fields picking flowers of vegetables for example (something the Eastern Europeans appear both willing and able to do), why can't we train the unemployed to do this? Arguments will no doubt centre around being better off on benefit etc, so why not make up the difference? Doing this would give people the chance to earn legitimate money, get their self worth and respect back and may well find it is easier to get another job once they are in full time employment. There should be no detriment to the quality of life and "the difference" would be made up by the government. It would also blow holes in the argument by some that "we can't afford to work for that" etc. Until British politics change and we can hold really respectful and honest debates about local and everyday issues without fear of the PC Police looking for opportunities to prosecute big names; then we will see greater levels of apathy from voters, more protest voting, with the risk being the far right or left parties will gain seats that most rational thinking voters wouldn't want to see them holding. Coupled with that of course, is seeing all elected representatives leading by example, demonstrating personal savings and efficiencies and not milking the system for every penny they can "because they are entitled to it". If the MP's and their ilk do it, then why wouldn't others? I could go on...........! :)[/p][/quote]You speak well and I guess close to the heart of the majority of 'indigenous' people. And I too believe that the law should lean towards the beliefs, culture and institutions of the 'indigenous' people - whatever they are? But I stop there for I also know what can happen if we venture not very far along that road. In 1939, Britain was about the only country willing to open it's doors to the forsaken Jews of Europe and I'm mightily proud that we did. As for politicians? Somebody once said that the qualities necessary to be successful in politics should automatically debar you from it. Sez it all! petethefeet
  • Score: -21

6:35pm Mon 26 May 14

julia brica says...

Old_Man wrote:
NOT the silent majority. Let's make that clear. It was the vocal MINORITY!

In a full turn out election UKIP wouldn't get one seat anywhere in Britain.
Well I wouldn't hold your breath on that one old man
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: NOT the silent majority. Let's make that clear. It was the vocal MINORITY! In a full turn out election UKIP wouldn't get one seat anywhere in Britain.[/p][/quote]Well I wouldn't hold your breath on that one old man julia brica
  • Score: -21

6:50pm Mon 26 May 14

bloodaxe says...

What on earth is an indigene ? I know very few people who could claim to be "ethnically British" as there really is no such thing. From whichever period of history you take your standpoint there is immigration and miscegenation. In chronological order: Romans ( themselves heterogeneous) Angles, Saxons, Scandinavians, Norman French, Flemish, Huguenot French, , Dutch, Irish, Russian Jewish , West Indian, Indian, Pakistani, Ugandan Asian and latterly French (again) have all contributed to the mix which some people now attempt to call British. As for stemming the flow, well perhaps we can stem the flow of people leaving this country as well, either to retire to the sun or to work abroad. As for this country being overcrowded, that is so mathematically ludicrous as to be beyond serious debate. One of the really depressing aspects of this whole "debate" is that the case for Europe is hardly ever made. We are fed a one-sided blast against Europe from most of the newspapers and certainly from the tabloids except the Mirror. I hope that the UKIP voters are selective as to who tends them next time they need to use the services of the NHS and that they check that their vegetables were picked by British workers. In the latter case unlikely, as veg picking isn't too popular with the "natives".
What on earth is an indigene ? I know very few people who could claim to be "ethnically British" as there really is no such thing. From whichever period of history you take your standpoint there is immigration and miscegenation. In chronological order: Romans ( themselves heterogeneous) Angles, Saxons, Scandinavians, Norman French, Flemish, Huguenot French, , Dutch, Irish, Russian Jewish , West Indian, Indian, Pakistani, Ugandan Asian and latterly French (again) have all contributed to the mix which some people now attempt to call British. As for stemming the flow, well perhaps we can stem the flow of people leaving this country as well, either to retire to the sun or to work abroad. As for this country being overcrowded, that is so mathematically ludicrous as to be beyond serious debate. One of the really depressing aspects of this whole "debate" is that the case for Europe is hardly ever made. We are fed a one-sided blast against Europe from most of the newspapers and certainly from the tabloids except the Mirror. I hope that the UKIP voters are selective as to who tends them next time they need to use the services of the NHS and that they check that their vegetables were picked by British workers. In the latter case unlikely, as veg picking isn't too popular with the "natives". bloodaxe
  • Score: 50

7:17pm Mon 26 May 14

the commentator says...

UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites. the commentator
  • Score: 37

7:29pm Mon 26 May 14

petethefeet says...

bloodaxe wrote:
What on earth is an indigene ? I know very few people who could claim to be "ethnically British" as there really is no such thing. From whichever period of history you take your standpoint there is immigration and miscegenation. In chronological order: Romans ( themselves heterogeneous) Angles, Saxons, Scandinavians, Norman French, Flemish, Huguenot French, , Dutch, Irish, Russian Jewish , West Indian, Indian, Pakistani, Ugandan Asian and latterly French (again) have all contributed to the mix which some people now attempt to call British. As for stemming the flow, well perhaps we can stem the flow of people leaving this country as well, either to retire to the sun or to work abroad. As for this country being overcrowded, that is so mathematically ludicrous as to be beyond serious debate. One of the really depressing aspects of this whole "debate" is that the case for Europe is hardly ever made. We are fed a one-sided blast against Europe from most of the newspapers and certainly from the tabloids except the Mirror. I hope that the UKIP voters are selective as to who tends them next time they need to use the services of the NHS and that they check that their vegetables were picked by British workers. In the latter case unlikely, as veg picking isn't too popular with the "natives".
I trust you noted that I wrote "whatever that is" in relation to indigenous? It was the best word I could contrive for the established population which have 'evolved' something akin to a British culture. That's what I'm referring to and I believe the majority of people also believe that there has been too much, too quick, change to that culture of late. And contrary to your unsupported, un-evidence'ed, & (frankly) ludicrous ascertain that we are not over-populated, I cite our 'stressed' water-resources, our 'stretched' power-generating capacity, our over-crowded roads, our scarce over-priced hosing, organisations desperate to protect rural England, etc, etc. It's pressure at every point! So please one-and-all, if you do wish to challenge somebody, first read what they put and then offer contrary evidence. Otherwise, you are just a tw@t!
Oh....and as evident from my posts, I'm not a UKIP supporter!
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: What on earth is an indigene ? I know very few people who could claim to be "ethnically British" as there really is no such thing. From whichever period of history you take your standpoint there is immigration and miscegenation. In chronological order: Romans ( themselves heterogeneous) Angles, Saxons, Scandinavians, Norman French, Flemish, Huguenot French, , Dutch, Irish, Russian Jewish , West Indian, Indian, Pakistani, Ugandan Asian and latterly French (again) have all contributed to the mix which some people now attempt to call British. As for stemming the flow, well perhaps we can stem the flow of people leaving this country as well, either to retire to the sun or to work abroad. As for this country being overcrowded, that is so mathematically ludicrous as to be beyond serious debate. One of the really depressing aspects of this whole "debate" is that the case for Europe is hardly ever made. We are fed a one-sided blast against Europe from most of the newspapers and certainly from the tabloids except the Mirror. I hope that the UKIP voters are selective as to who tends them next time they need to use the services of the NHS and that they check that their vegetables were picked by British workers. In the latter case unlikely, as veg picking isn't too popular with the "natives".[/p][/quote]I trust you noted that I wrote "whatever that is" in relation to indigenous? It was the best word I could contrive for the established population which have 'evolved' something akin to a British culture. That's what I'm referring to and I believe the majority of people also believe that there has been too much, too quick, change to that culture of late. And contrary to your unsupported, un-evidence'ed, & (frankly) ludicrous ascertain that we are not over-populated, I cite our 'stressed' water-resources, our 'stretched' power-generating capacity, our over-crowded roads, our scarce over-priced hosing, organisations desperate to protect rural England, etc, etc. It's pressure at every point! So please one-and-all, if you do wish to challenge somebody, first read what they put and then offer contrary evidence. Otherwise, you are just a tw@t! Oh....and as evident from my posts, I'm not a UKIP supporter! petethefeet
  • Score: 17

7:38pm Mon 26 May 14

Yorkieand says...

Old_Man wrote:
big boy york wrote:
Yorkieand wrote:
big boy york wrote:
why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??
excuse me yorkieand how can you say that about me when you dont bloody know me for your imformation my best friend is black & i work with 5 asians who i socialise with outside work, before you utter such crap think what your about to say
Most racists have a black best friend.
You beat me to that one Old Man. But you're absolutely correct.
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment[/p][/quote]Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??[/p][/quote]excuse me yorkieand how can you say that about me when you dont bloody know me for your imformation my best friend is black & i work with 5 asians who i socialise with outside work, before you utter such crap think what your about to say[/p][/quote]Most racists have a black best friend.[/p][/quote]You beat me to that one Old Man. But you're absolutely correct. Yorkieand
  • Score: 29

7:42pm Mon 26 May 14

bill bailey says...

the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
All I can say to you my boy is this I take exception to you calling my brothers morons, I take exception to immigrants coming into MY country taking benefits and jobs , benefits over 53yrs of contributions paid and not having a liveable pension, you say 36% of those that voted are English Morons you are a self opinionated bigot. UKIP are gaining votes because people like you think you are better than others , that the party you support are right , you have to live with UKIP in the future I shouldn't go around calling people morons at the next election they might not like you,
[quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]All I can say to you my boy is this I take exception to you calling my brothers morons, I take exception to immigrants coming into MY country taking benefits and jobs , benefits over 53yrs of contributions paid and not having a liveable pension, you say 36% of those that voted are English Morons you are a self opinionated bigot. UKIP are gaining votes because people like you think you are better than others , that the party you support are right , you have to live with UKIP in the future I shouldn't go around calling people morons at the next election they might not like you, bill bailey
  • Score: -26

7:49pm Mon 26 May 14

petethefeet says...

Yorkieand wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
big boy york wrote:
Yorkieand wrote:
big boy york wrote:
why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??
excuse me yorkieand how can you say that about me when you dont bloody know me for your imformation my best friend is black & i work with 5 asians who i socialise with outside work, before you utter such crap think what your about to say
Most racists have a black best friend.
You beat me to that one Old Man. But you're absolutely correct.
Both of you. Is that the best you can do? i.e. just label & insult somebody that you don't agree with? Cannot you see that you are part of the reason why there is this 'underground' movement? This issue does need debating and I suspect that many national governments have woken up to that reality. That'll give 'em a serious headache as it is a thorny road and I even find myself feeling a bit sorry for them.
My best friend was born in India - but he is white.......:-))
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment[/p][/quote]Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??[/p][/quote]excuse me yorkieand how can you say that about me when you dont bloody know me for your imformation my best friend is black & i work with 5 asians who i socialise with outside work, before you utter such crap think what your about to say[/p][/quote]Most racists have a black best friend.[/p][/quote]You beat me to that one Old Man. But you're absolutely correct.[/p][/quote]Both of you. Is that the best you can do? i.e. just label & insult somebody that you don't agree with? Cannot you see that you are part of the reason why there is this 'underground' movement? This issue does need debating and I suspect that many national governments have woken up to that reality. That'll give 'em a serious headache as it is a thorny road and I even find myself feeling a bit sorry for them. My best friend was born in India - but he is white.......:-)) petethefeet
  • Score: 12

7:58pm Mon 26 May 14

the commentator says...

bill bailey wrote:
the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
All I can say to you my boy is this I take exception to you calling my brothers morons, I take exception to immigrants coming into MY country taking benefits and jobs , benefits over 53yrs of contributions paid and not having a liveable pension, you say 36% of those that voted are English Morons you are a self opinionated bigot. UKIP are gaining votes because people like you think you are better than others , that the party you support are right , you have to live with UKIP in the future I shouldn't go around calling people morons at the next election they might not like you,
PRIMATE ALERT! You sir are representative of the UKIP vote and I couldn't argue any better reason not to vote for UKIP than you display. You take exception to immigrants coming into YOUR country and taking jobs? Why is it that British employers choose to employ these people over your British born brothers? Could it be because they work harder for less? And you blame the immigrants for this? Why not turn your anger to the British employers who are facilitating this? And if you've always relied on the state to provide a pension for you, then you're more foolish than you come across on here.
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]All I can say to you my boy is this I take exception to you calling my brothers morons, I take exception to immigrants coming into MY country taking benefits and jobs , benefits over 53yrs of contributions paid and not having a liveable pension, you say 36% of those that voted are English Morons you are a self opinionated bigot. UKIP are gaining votes because people like you think you are better than others , that the party you support are right , you have to live with UKIP in the future I shouldn't go around calling people morons at the next election they might not like you,[/p][/quote]PRIMATE ALERT! You sir are representative of the UKIP vote and I couldn't argue any better reason not to vote for UKIP than you display. You take exception to immigrants coming into YOUR country and taking jobs? Why is it that British employers choose to employ these people over your British born brothers? Could it be because they work harder for less? And you blame the immigrants for this? Why not turn your anger to the British employers who are facilitating this? And if you've always relied on the state to provide a pension for you, then you're more foolish than you come across on here. the commentator
  • Score: 30

8:01pm Mon 26 May 14

piaggio1 says...

And can someone tell ME.
WHY ..these so called experts. And I use that loosely.
Hate the english. Just listen to the snake oil salesman salmond is spouting up in scotland.if it wer anyone else they would be charged by the dubious bunch we appen to call the polis....
Wow went off on a bit of a tangent there ..............
And can someone tell ME. WHY ..these so called experts. And I use that loosely. Hate the english. Just listen to the snake oil salesman salmond is spouting up in scotland.if it wer anyone else they would be charged by the dubious bunch we appen to call the polis.... Wow went off on a bit of a tangent there .............. piaggio1
  • Score: -5

8:02pm Mon 26 May 14

Old_Man says...

Bill Bailey you must be a WUM. Nobody could possibly be as dumb as you come across as being. You're like a parody of Love Thy Neighbour or Alf Garnett.
Bill Bailey you must be a WUM. Nobody could possibly be as dumb as you come across as being. You're like a parody of Love Thy Neighbour or Alf Garnett. Old_Man
  • Score: 27

8:21pm Mon 26 May 14

bill bailey says...

Old_Man wrote:
Bill Bailey you must be a WUM. Nobody could possibly be as dumb as you come across as being. You're like a parody of Love Thy Neighbour or Alf Garnett.
Took along time to come back didn't you ,couldn't face up to the fact I caught you out with Hitler and Mussolini ?
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: Bill Bailey you must be a WUM. Nobody could possibly be as dumb as you come across as being. You're like a parody of Love Thy Neighbour or Alf Garnett.[/p][/quote]Took along time to come back didn't you ,couldn't face up to the fact I caught you out with Hitler and Mussolini ? bill bailey
  • Score: -31

8:33pm Mon 26 May 14

Old_Man says...

You couldn't catch a cold.
You couldn't catch a cold. Old_Man
  • Score: 27

8:40pm Mon 26 May 14

bill bailey says...

the commentator wrote:
bill bailey wrote:
the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
All I can say to you my boy is this I take exception to you calling my brothers morons, I take exception to immigrants coming into MY country taking benefits and jobs , benefits over 53yrs of contributions paid and not having a liveable pension, you say 36% of those that voted are English Morons you are a self opinionated bigot. UKIP are gaining votes because people like you think you are better than others , that the party you support are right , you have to live with UKIP in the future I shouldn't go around calling people morons at the next election they might not like you,
PRIMATE ALERT! You sir are representative of the UKIP vote and I couldn't argue any better reason not to vote for UKIP than you display. You take exception to immigrants coming into YOUR country and taking jobs? Why is it that British employers choose to employ these people over your British born brothers? Could it be because they work harder for less? And you blame the immigrants for this? Why not turn your anger to the British employers who are facilitating this? And if you've always relied on the state to provide a pension for you, then you're more foolish than you come across on here.
You will glad to receive your pension when the time comes you two faced moron, Its idiots like you that have made people vote UKIP, with your narrow minded attitude , And its people like me that have made it possible for people like you to enjoy the independence that haven't to rely on a state pension you and your attitude sickens people me, You should be ashamed , I blame immigrants for nothing I blame the party you voted for that they allowed it in the first place had they not there wouldn't be a party called UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]All I can say to you my boy is this I take exception to you calling my brothers morons, I take exception to immigrants coming into MY country taking benefits and jobs , benefits over 53yrs of contributions paid and not having a liveable pension, you say 36% of those that voted are English Morons you are a self opinionated bigot. UKIP are gaining votes because people like you think you are better than others , that the party you support are right , you have to live with UKIP in the future I shouldn't go around calling people morons at the next election they might not like you,[/p][/quote]PRIMATE ALERT! You sir are representative of the UKIP vote and I couldn't argue any better reason not to vote for UKIP than you display. You take exception to immigrants coming into YOUR country and taking jobs? Why is it that British employers choose to employ these people over your British born brothers? Could it be because they work harder for less? And you blame the immigrants for this? Why not turn your anger to the British employers who are facilitating this? And if you've always relied on the state to provide a pension for you, then you're more foolish than you come across on here.[/p][/quote]You will glad to receive your pension when the time comes you two faced moron, Its idiots like you that have made people vote UKIP, with your narrow minded attitude , And its people like me that have made it possible for people like you to enjoy the independence that haven't to rely on a state pension you and your attitude sickens people me, You should be ashamed , I blame immigrants for nothing I blame the party you voted for that they allowed it in the first place had they not there wouldn't be a party called UKIP. bill bailey
  • Score: -33

8:44pm Mon 26 May 14

petethefeet says...

bill bailey wrote:
the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
All I can say to you my boy is this I take exception to you calling my brothers morons, I take exception to immigrants coming into MY country taking benefits and jobs , benefits over 53yrs of contributions paid and not having a liveable pension, you say 36% of those that voted are English Morons you are a self opinionated bigot. UKIP are gaining votes because people like you think you are better than others , that the party you support are right , you have to live with UKIP in the future I shouldn't go around calling people morons at the next election they might not like you,
Bill. The reason for the pension crisis has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration. The good news is that because of medical science, people are living more than 10 years longer then in the sixties. The bad news is that this medical science and 10 years extra pension payments is expensive. Please don't fall into the age-old trap of needing to find a scapegoat minority to blame for a non-related crisis. I hope you don't find this response too insulting?
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]All I can say to you my boy is this I take exception to you calling my brothers morons, I take exception to immigrants coming into MY country taking benefits and jobs , benefits over 53yrs of contributions paid and not having a liveable pension, you say 36% of those that voted are English Morons you are a self opinionated bigot. UKIP are gaining votes because people like you think you are better than others , that the party you support are right , you have to live with UKIP in the future I shouldn't go around calling people morons at the next election they might not like you,[/p][/quote]Bill. The reason for the pension crisis has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration. The good news is that because of medical science, people are living more than 10 years longer then in the sixties. The bad news is that this medical science and 10 years extra pension payments is expensive. Please don't fall into the age-old trap of needing to find a scapegoat minority to blame for a non-related crisis. I hope you don't find this response too insulting? petethefeet
  • Score: 32

8:49pm Mon 26 May 14

the commentator says...

bill bailey wrote:
the commentator wrote:
bill bailey wrote:
the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
All I can say to you my boy is this I take exception to you calling my brothers morons, I take exception to immigrants coming into MY country taking benefits and jobs , benefits over 53yrs of contributions paid and not having a liveable pension, you say 36% of those that voted are English Morons you are a self opinionated bigot. UKIP are gaining votes because people like you think you are better than others , that the party you support are right , you have to live with UKIP in the future I shouldn't go around calling people morons at the next election they might not like you,
PRIMATE ALERT! You sir are representative of the UKIP vote and I couldn't argue any better reason not to vote for UKIP than you display. You take exception to immigrants coming into YOUR country and taking jobs? Why is it that British employers choose to employ these people over your British born brothers? Could it be because they work harder for less? And you blame the immigrants for this? Why not turn your anger to the British employers who are facilitating this? And if you've always relied on the state to provide a pension for you, then you're more foolish than you come across on here.
You will glad to receive your pension when the time comes you two faced moron, Its idiots like you that have made people vote UKIP, with your narrow minded attitude , And its people like me that have made it possible for people like you to enjoy the independence that haven't to rely on a state pension you and your attitude sickens people me, You should be ashamed , I blame immigrants for nothing I blame the party you voted for that they allowed it in the first place had they not there wouldn't be a party called UKIP.
Christ on a bike you really are quite a thicko arent you or perhaps just a wummer? You have no idea who I voted for or indeed if I even voted at all. I would wager you voted BNP before UKIP this time around. Narrow minded attitude? Seriously? Take a look back at the b***ox you've written before calling others narrow minded.
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]All I can say to you my boy is this I take exception to you calling my brothers morons, I take exception to immigrants coming into MY country taking benefits and jobs , benefits over 53yrs of contributions paid and not having a liveable pension, you say 36% of those that voted are English Morons you are a self opinionated bigot. UKIP are gaining votes because people like you think you are better than others , that the party you support are right , you have to live with UKIP in the future I shouldn't go around calling people morons at the next election they might not like you,[/p][/quote]PRIMATE ALERT! You sir are representative of the UKIP vote and I couldn't argue any better reason not to vote for UKIP than you display. You take exception to immigrants coming into YOUR country and taking jobs? Why is it that British employers choose to employ these people over your British born brothers? Could it be because they work harder for less? And you blame the immigrants for this? Why not turn your anger to the British employers who are facilitating this? And if you've always relied on the state to provide a pension for you, then you're more foolish than you come across on here.[/p][/quote]You will glad to receive your pension when the time comes you two faced moron, Its idiots like you that have made people vote UKIP, with your narrow minded attitude , And its people like me that have made it possible for people like you to enjoy the independence that haven't to rely on a state pension you and your attitude sickens people me, You should be ashamed , I blame immigrants for nothing I blame the party you voted for that they allowed it in the first place had they not there wouldn't be a party called UKIP.[/p][/quote]Christ on a bike you really are quite a thicko arent you or perhaps just a wummer? You have no idea who I voted for or indeed if I even voted at all. I would wager you voted BNP before UKIP this time around. Narrow minded attitude? Seriously? Take a look back at the b***ox you've written before calling others narrow minded. the commentator
  • Score: 41

9:59pm Mon 26 May 14

bolero says...

It's time you were in bed children.
It's time you were in bed children. bolero
  • Score: 11

10:08pm Mon 26 May 14

piaggio1 says...

No chance goodness gracious me is on telly.
No chance goodness gracious me is on telly. piaggio1
  • Score: 8

11:27pm Mon 26 May 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Well, that makes for interesting reading. Or should I say depressing.

Politics.
Divide and rule.
Works quite well doesn't it? But not for us.

We think we have the power and all the time we are being used as weapons against each other, feeding the corrupt machine.

I recommend 5 dried grams. Or 200 micrograms.
Well, that makes for interesting reading. Or should I say depressing. Politics. Divide and rule. Works quite well doesn't it? But not for us. We think we have the power and all the time we are being used as weapons against each other, feeding the corrupt machine. I recommend 5 dried grams. Or 200 micrograms. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 75

12:42am Tue 27 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
You cannot get away from the fact that mass immigration has had a massive impact on housing, schools, hospitals etc. Whatever the supposed economic benefits, it hasn't worked and people are sick of it. The political elite from the EU are dictating that we cannot say no to the free movement of almost 1/2billion people from member countries, and the only way to sort that problem is to get out of the EU.

It's not hard to see why so many are turning to UKIP, when the other three parties are in denial, and not prepared to listen to valid concerns, and take brave decisions.

Anyone not accepting that UKIP are a major political force, are either burying their heads in the sand or trying to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes.The more they dismiss UKIP, the more people will turn to UKIP. UKIP are in the ascendancy!
[quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]You cannot get away from the fact that mass immigration has had a massive impact on housing, schools, hospitals etc. Whatever the supposed economic benefits, it hasn't worked and people are sick of it. The political elite from the EU are dictating that we cannot say no to the free movement of almost 1/2billion people from member countries, and the only way to sort that problem is to get out of the EU. It's not hard to see why so many are turning to UKIP, when the other three parties are in denial, and not prepared to listen to valid concerns, and take brave decisions. Anyone not accepting that UKIP are a major political force, are either burying their heads in the sand or trying to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes.The more they dismiss UKIP, the more people will turn to UKIP. UKIP are in the ascendancy! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -34

1:13am Tue 27 May 14

Old_Man says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
You cannot get away from the fact that mass immigration has had a massive impact on housing, schools, hospitals etc. Whatever the supposed economic benefits, it hasn't worked and people are sick of it. The political elite from the EU are dictating that we cannot say no to the free movement of almost 1/2billion people from member countries, and the only way to sort that problem is to get out of the EU.

It's not hard to see why so many are turning to UKIP, when the other three parties are in denial, and not prepared to listen to valid concerns, and take brave decisions.

Anyone not accepting that UKIP are a major political force, are either burying their heads in the sand or trying to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes.The more they dismiss UKIP, the more people will turn to UKIP. UKIP are in the ascendancy!
Utter rubbish. Major force my arse. A bunch of racists with no p
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]You cannot get away from the fact that mass immigration has had a massive impact on housing, schools, hospitals etc. Whatever the supposed economic benefits, it hasn't worked and people are sick of it. The political elite from the EU are dictating that we cannot say no to the free movement of almost 1/2billion people from member countries, and the only way to sort that problem is to get out of the EU. It's not hard to see why so many are turning to UKIP, when the other three parties are in denial, and not prepared to listen to valid concerns, and take brave decisions. Anyone not accepting that UKIP are a major political force, are either burying their heads in the sand or trying to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes.The more they dismiss UKIP, the more people will turn to UKIP. UKIP are in the ascendancy![/p][/quote]Utter rubbish. Major force my arse. A bunch of racists with no p Old_Man
  • Score: 44

1:14am Tue 27 May 14

Old_Man says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
You cannot get away from the fact that mass immigration has had a massive impact on housing, schools, hospitals etc. Whatever the supposed economic benefits, it hasn't worked and people are sick of it. The political elite from the EU are dictating that we cannot say no to the free movement of almost 1/2billion people from member countries, and the only way to sort that problem is to get out of the EU.

It's not hard to see why so many are turning to UKIP, when the other three parties are in denial, and not prepared to listen to valid concerns, and take brave decisions.

Anyone not accepting that UKIP are a major political force, are either burying their heads in the sand or trying to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes.The more they dismiss UKIP, the more people will turn to UKIP. UKIP are in the ascendancy!
Utter rubbish. Major force my arse. A bunch of racists with no policies hardly constitutes a force. You are a joke. Go and do some research before paraphrasing fascist propaganda.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]You cannot get away from the fact that mass immigration has had a massive impact on housing, schools, hospitals etc. Whatever the supposed economic benefits, it hasn't worked and people are sick of it. The political elite from the EU are dictating that we cannot say no to the free movement of almost 1/2billion people from member countries, and the only way to sort that problem is to get out of the EU. It's not hard to see why so many are turning to UKIP, when the other three parties are in denial, and not prepared to listen to valid concerns, and take brave decisions. Anyone not accepting that UKIP are a major political force, are either burying their heads in the sand or trying to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes.The more they dismiss UKIP, the more people will turn to UKIP. UKIP are in the ascendancy![/p][/quote]Utter rubbish. Major force my arse. A bunch of racists with no policies hardly constitutes a force. You are a joke. Go and do some research before paraphrasing fascist propaganda. Old_Man
  • Score: 50

7:12am Tue 27 May 14

roy_batty says...

I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.?

I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.
I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.? I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections. roy_batty
  • Score: -55

8:20am Tue 27 May 14

Old_Man says...

roy_batty wrote:
I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.?

I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.
I don't know about racist but you're definitely stupid.
[quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.? I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.[/p][/quote]I don't know about racist but you're definitely stupid. Old_Man
  • Score: 16

8:59am Tue 27 May 14

inmandres says...

roy_batty wrote:
I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.? I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.
Half caste? Do you actually use that term in general conversation? If so then shame on you.
[quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.? I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.[/p][/quote]Half caste? Do you actually use that term in general conversation? If so then shame on you. inmandres
  • Score: 36

9:02am Tue 27 May 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Well maybe this will wake the other parties up to the major worries of many people. Don't get me wrong UKIP just sell an idea that people think will be good without reading the rest of their policies... but their main point is a vaild one. Maybe not to their extreeme views but something needs to be done about it... We just need to take a leaf out of Austria’s government.

If other parties don't sort the problem then we could find ourselves in a different England all together...
Well maybe this will wake the other parties up to the major worries of many people. Don't get me wrong UKIP just sell an idea that people think will be good without reading the rest of their policies... but their main point is a vaild one. Maybe not to their extreeme views but something needs to be done about it... We just need to take a leaf out of Austria’s government. If other parties don't sort the problem then we could find ourselves in a different England all together... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 13

9:18am Tue 27 May 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=768h3Tz4Q
ik

Dey toooook ouuuuuuurrr jobbbbbbbbsssss
http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=768h3Tz4Q ik Dey toooook ouuuuuuurrr jobbbbbbbbsssss Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 25

11:31am Tue 27 May 14

MrsHoney says...

It's an embarrassment that York's majority was UKIP. It's also amusing that York is traditionally Labour and yet there are people turning from a left wing party to a far right one! It does make me wonder if they understand what it is they're actually voting for. I really hope that these same people take a bit more time to think about policies before voting next year, a party run by people who like a good moan down the pub but have no experience or knowledge of politics doesn't strike me as the best one for the job! Nevermind alot of the suspect outrageous views some of them have.

I've never voted LibDem in my life but I do actually feel a bit sorry for them. Their supporters are obviously a few brain cells short and don't understand the principles of a coallition. They weren't in power, they were sharing it, they couldn't follow through on their manifesto because they had to make joint decisions with the Conservatives. Likewise, the Tories couldn't go as far as they might have wanted to with regards to immigration because they were held back by the LibDems. Added to this like it or not we are part of the EU at this present time and we can't close our borders even if we wanted to. People just don't take the time or effort to look into the practicalities of what they're asking, to see if it's even possible. To see what the implications are. Unfortunately I can't see the average Joe on the street bothering. Seeing the people interviewed on the news makes me sigh at what seems a hopeless cause. 'I voted UKIP cause there's too many of them foreigners, innit!' Yes, very well argued, I take your point!
It's an embarrassment that York's majority was UKIP. It's also amusing that York is traditionally Labour and yet there are people turning from a left wing party to a far right one! It does make me wonder if they understand what it is they're actually voting for. I really hope that these same people take a bit more time to think about policies before voting next year, a party run by people who like a good moan down the pub but have no experience or knowledge of politics doesn't strike me as the best one for the job! Nevermind alot of the suspect outrageous views some of them have. I've never voted LibDem in my life but I do actually feel a bit sorry for them. Their supporters are obviously a few brain cells short and don't understand the principles of a coallition. They weren't in power, they were sharing it, they couldn't follow through on their manifesto because they had to make joint decisions with the Conservatives. Likewise, the Tories couldn't go as far as they might have wanted to with regards to immigration because they were held back by the LibDems. Added to this like it or not we are part of the EU at this present time and we can't close our borders even if we wanted to. People just don't take the time or effort to look into the practicalities of what they're asking, to see if it's even possible. To see what the implications are. Unfortunately I can't see the average Joe on the street bothering. Seeing the people interviewed on the news makes me sigh at what seems a hopeless cause. 'I voted UKIP cause there's too many of them foreigners, innit!' Yes, very well argued, I take your point! MrsHoney
  • Score: 28

11:32am Tue 27 May 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=768h3Tz4Q ik Dey toooook ouuuuuuurrr jobbbbbbbbsssss
i'm confused why this is getting negative votes yet my comment directly above is positive? could it be that all non UKIP voters can not see the sarcasm in such a clip???!!! and yet have the cheek to call UKIP voters stupid??
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=768h3Tz4Q ik Dey toooook ouuuuuuurrr jobbbbbbbbsssss[/p][/quote]i'm confused why this is getting negative votes yet my comment directly above is positive? could it be that all non UKIP voters can not see the sarcasm in such a clip???!!! and yet have the cheek to call UKIP voters stupid?? Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 23

12:07pm Tue 27 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Old_Man wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
the commentator wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
You cannot get away from the fact that mass immigration has had a massive impact on housing, schools, hospitals etc. Whatever the supposed economic benefits, it hasn't worked and people are sick of it. The political elite from the EU are dictating that we cannot say no to the free movement of almost 1/2billion people from member countries, and the only way to sort that problem is to get out of the EU. It's not hard to see why so many are turning to UKIP, when the other three parties are in denial, and not prepared to listen to valid concerns, and take brave decisions. Anyone not accepting that UKIP are a major political force, are either burying their heads in the sand or trying to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes.The more they dismiss UKIP, the more people will turn to UKIP. UKIP are in the ascendancy!
Utter rubbish. Major force my arse. A bunch of racists with no policies hardly constitutes a force. You are a joke. Go and do some research before paraphrasing fascist propaganda.
No research needed, because all that is required is common sense and logic.

That said, I.m very well researched on the housing issue, and the net immigration figure for the last 16 yrs (1997 onwards) compared with housing need is proof. The only way housing need can be addressed is through a combination of increased supply and substantial reduction of net immigration. Increased supply on its own is inadequate, due to limited growth from the private housebuilding sector.

I think the joke is on you Old_Man - you are all bluff and bluster. A name-calling bully, with no substantive arguments.
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]You cannot get away from the fact that mass immigration has had a massive impact on housing, schools, hospitals etc. Whatever the supposed economic benefits, it hasn't worked and people are sick of it. The political elite from the EU are dictating that we cannot say no to the free movement of almost 1/2billion people from member countries, and the only way to sort that problem is to get out of the EU. It's not hard to see why so many are turning to UKIP, when the other three parties are in denial, and not prepared to listen to valid concerns, and take brave decisions. Anyone not accepting that UKIP are a major political force, are either burying their heads in the sand or trying to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes.The more they dismiss UKIP, the more people will turn to UKIP. UKIP are in the ascendancy![/p][/quote]Utter rubbish. Major force my arse. A bunch of racists with no policies hardly constitutes a force. You are a joke. Go and do some research before paraphrasing fascist propaganda.[/p][/quote]No research needed, because all that is required is common sense and logic. That said, I.m very well researched on the housing issue, and the net immigration figure for the last 16 yrs (1997 onwards) compared with housing need is proof. The only way housing need can be addressed is through a combination of increased supply and substantial reduction of net immigration. Increased supply on its own is inadequate, due to limited growth from the private housebuilding sector. I think the joke is on you Old_Man - you are all bluff and bluster. A name-calling bully, with no substantive arguments. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -19

12:27pm Tue 27 May 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

MrsHoney wrote:
It's an embarrassment that York's majority was UKIP. It's also amusing that York is traditionally Labour and yet there are people turning from a left wing party to a far right one! It does make me wonder if they understand what it is they're actually voting for. I really hope that these same people take a bit more time to think about policies before voting next year, a party run by people who like a good moan down the pub but have no experience or knowledge of politics doesn't strike me as the best one for the job! Nevermind alot of the suspect outrageous views some of them have. I've never voted LibDem in my life but I do actually feel a bit sorry for them. Their supporters are obviously a few brain cells short and don't understand the principles of a coallition. They weren't in power, they were sharing it, they couldn't follow through on their manifesto because they had to make joint decisions with the Conservatives. Likewise, the Tories couldn't go as far as they might have wanted to with regards to immigration because they were held back by the LibDems. Added to this like it or not we are part of the EU at this present time and we can't close our borders even if we wanted to. People just don't take the time or effort to look into the practicalities of what they're asking, to see if it's even possible. To see what the implications are. Unfortunately I can't see the average Joe on the street bothering. Seeing the people interviewed on the news makes me sigh at what seems a hopeless cause. 'I voted UKIP cause there's too many of them foreigners, innit!' Yes, very well argued, I take your point!
I see you're point and yes many UKIP party voters will get judged with the stereo type of a rebadged BNP... But look at our current leaders... i mean what experience do they actually have?? What have they done that’s been positive for our city? All i see is an x salesman wasting money on terrible construction choices.

Yes the boarders can not be closed but there are areas of state provided funding that can be looked at.....don't get me wrong I’m no UKIP voter at all... but the fact that they have had such support shows how poorly labour etc are doing currently. And I really don’t see how people can judge voters saying UKIP are stupid but labour are intelligent? I mean look who labour votes have put in charge? I believe that people vote for what they believe in… that doesn’t make them stupid… would you call a priest stupid for believing in god?

Every party appeals to people who can be easily swayed. Life long labour supporters will never change their stance for example... But there is a large number of the population who vote for the party with the best selling skills... At the moment people are sick of being skint and see the money going to house "immigrants" and pay for their benefits as money wasted that could be returned to the people who "deserve" it. (i use " ” as in my experience there are more English people wanting to sit on the dole and the foreign workers will take the jobs they don't want) dey took ouuurrrrrr jobsssssss.....

The only people to blame for this swing are the previous powers. In my opinion the current lot are doing what had to be done. Cut the amount of money borrowed and cut spending. We as a country were living beyond our means under labour and the current powers have had to stop that and pay back some of their mistakes. Now everyone will look for an excuse as to where the money has been wasted and looks like more people now see it as immigration. The fact is though under previous governments we were living beyond our means... maxing our credit cards and loans to deliver things that we couldn't pay for in the future (pfi schemes! library that is free but costs 5x more in 30 years). We as a nation do this.... everyone wants what they can not afford.

Each party is like a salesman wanting to get your money and be in charge. If anyone actually believes there is a right or wrong party you’re mistaken… all they want to do is look after number 1…. You could put the green party In charge and we would all still have the same amount of issues as we do today…. (apart from meat would be banned and cars would be deported)....
[quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: It's an embarrassment that York's majority was UKIP. It's also amusing that York is traditionally Labour and yet there are people turning from a left wing party to a far right one! It does make me wonder if they understand what it is they're actually voting for. I really hope that these same people take a bit more time to think about policies before voting next year, a party run by people who like a good moan down the pub but have no experience or knowledge of politics doesn't strike me as the best one for the job! Nevermind alot of the suspect outrageous views some of them have. I've never voted LibDem in my life but I do actually feel a bit sorry for them. Their supporters are obviously a few brain cells short and don't understand the principles of a coallition. They weren't in power, they were sharing it, they couldn't follow through on their manifesto because they had to make joint decisions with the Conservatives. Likewise, the Tories couldn't go as far as they might have wanted to with regards to immigration because they were held back by the LibDems. Added to this like it or not we are part of the EU at this present time and we can't close our borders even if we wanted to. People just don't take the time or effort to look into the practicalities of what they're asking, to see if it's even possible. To see what the implications are. Unfortunately I can't see the average Joe on the street bothering. Seeing the people interviewed on the news makes me sigh at what seems a hopeless cause. 'I voted UKIP cause there's too many of them foreigners, innit!' Yes, very well argued, I take your point![/p][/quote]I see you're point and yes many UKIP party voters will get judged with the stereo type of a rebadged BNP... But look at our current leaders... i mean what experience do they actually have?? What have they done that’s been positive for our city? All i see is an x salesman wasting money on terrible construction choices. Yes the boarders can not be closed but there are areas of state provided funding that can be looked at.....don't get me wrong I’m no UKIP voter at all... but the fact that they have had such support shows how poorly labour etc are doing currently. And I really don’t see how people can judge voters saying UKIP are stupid but labour are intelligent? I mean look who labour votes have put in charge? I believe that people vote for what they believe in… that doesn’t make them stupid… would you call a priest stupid for believing in god? Every party appeals to people who can be easily swayed. Life long labour supporters will never change their stance for example... But there is a large number of the population who vote for the party with the best selling skills... At the moment people are sick of being skint and see the money going to house "immigrants" and pay for their benefits as money wasted that could be returned to the people who "deserve" it. (i use " ” as in my experience there are more English people wanting to sit on the dole and the foreign workers will take the jobs they don't want) dey took ouuurrrrrr jobsssssss..... The only people to blame for this swing are the previous powers. In my opinion the current lot are doing what had to be done. Cut the amount of money borrowed and cut spending. We as a country were living beyond our means under labour and the current powers have had to stop that and pay back some of their mistakes. Now everyone will look for an excuse as to where the money has been wasted and looks like more people now see it as immigration. The fact is though under previous governments we were living beyond our means... maxing our credit cards and loans to deliver things that we couldn't pay for in the future (pfi schemes! library that is free but costs 5x more in 30 years). We as a nation do this.... everyone wants what they can not afford. Each party is like a salesman wanting to get your money and be in charge. If anyone actually believes there is a right or wrong party you’re mistaken… all they want to do is look after number 1…. You could put the green party In charge and we would all still have the same amount of issues as we do today…. (apart from meat would be banned and cars would be deported).... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 9

12:52pm Tue 27 May 14

Old_Man says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
the commentator wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
You cannot get away from the fact that mass immigration has had a massive impact on housing, schools, hospitals etc. Whatever the supposed economic benefits, it hasn't worked and people are sick of it. The political elite from the EU are dictating that we cannot say no to the free movement of almost 1/2billion people from member countries, and the only way to sort that problem is to get out of the EU. It's not hard to see why so many are turning to UKIP, when the other three parties are in denial, and not prepared to listen to valid concerns, and take brave decisions. Anyone not accepting that UKIP are a major political force, are either burying their heads in the sand or trying to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes.The more they dismiss UKIP, the more people will turn to UKIP. UKIP are in the ascendancy!
Utter rubbish. Major force my arse. A bunch of racists with no policies hardly constitutes a force. You are a joke. Go and do some research before paraphrasing fascist propaganda.
No research needed, because all that is required is common sense and logic.

That said, I.m very well researched on the housing issue, and the net immigration figure for the last 16 yrs (1997 onwards) compared with housing need is proof. The only way housing need can be addressed is through a combination of increased supply and substantial reduction of net immigration. Increased supply on its own is inadequate, due to limited growth from the private housebuilding sector.

I think the joke is on you Old_Man - you are all bluff and bluster. A name-calling bully, with no substantive arguments.
You're absolutely spot on. I am a bully. I'm trying to bully the citizens of Britain into a utopian state where everyone is equal. Colour and creed and nationality becoming irrelevant as everyone learns something from other people.

Unfortunately I'll probably fail in my mission due to brainless twerps like you who are nothing but a racist but aren't man enough to admit it.

The only real bullies here hide behind a Union Jack and copy and paste crap from the internet in a desperate attempt to look intelligent.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]You cannot get away from the fact that mass immigration has had a massive impact on housing, schools, hospitals etc. Whatever the supposed economic benefits, it hasn't worked and people are sick of it. The political elite from the EU are dictating that we cannot say no to the free movement of almost 1/2billion people from member countries, and the only way to sort that problem is to get out of the EU. It's not hard to see why so many are turning to UKIP, when the other three parties are in denial, and not prepared to listen to valid concerns, and take brave decisions. Anyone not accepting that UKIP are a major political force, are either burying their heads in the sand or trying to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes.The more they dismiss UKIP, the more people will turn to UKIP. UKIP are in the ascendancy![/p][/quote]Utter rubbish. Major force my arse. A bunch of racists with no policies hardly constitutes a force. You are a joke. Go and do some research before paraphrasing fascist propaganda.[/p][/quote]No research needed, because all that is required is common sense and logic. That said, I.m very well researched on the housing issue, and the net immigration figure for the last 16 yrs (1997 onwards) compared with housing need is proof. The only way housing need can be addressed is through a combination of increased supply and substantial reduction of net immigration. Increased supply on its own is inadequate, due to limited growth from the private housebuilding sector. I think the joke is on you Old_Man - you are all bluff and bluster. A name-calling bully, with no substantive arguments.[/p][/quote]You're absolutely spot on. I am a bully. I'm trying to bully the citizens of Britain into a utopian state where everyone is equal. Colour and creed and nationality becoming irrelevant as everyone learns something from other people. Unfortunately I'll probably fail in my mission due to brainless twerps like you who are nothing but a racist but aren't man enough to admit it. The only real bullies here hide behind a Union Jack and copy and paste crap from the internet in a desperate attempt to look intelligent. Old_Man
  • Score: 23

1:05pm Tue 27 May 14

roy_batty says...

Old_Man wrote:
roy_batty wrote:
I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.?

I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.
I don't know about racist but you're definitely stupid.
Well I don't know your education so I won't insult you back.

roclank200... neither I or my cousins find the term Half-caste offensive, so get over it..
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.? I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.[/p][/quote]I don't know about racist but you're definitely stupid.[/p][/quote]Well I don't know your education so I won't insult you back. roclank200... neither I or my cousins find the term Half-caste offensive, so get over it.. roy_batty
  • Score: -27

1:12pm Tue 27 May 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Old_Man wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
the commentator wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
You cannot get away from the fact that mass immigration has had a massive impact on housing, schools, hospitals etc. Whatever the supposed economic benefits, it hasn't worked and people are sick of it. The political elite from the EU are dictating that we cannot say no to the free movement of almost 1/2billion people from member countries, and the only way to sort that problem is to get out of the EU. It's not hard to see why so many are turning to UKIP, when the other three parties are in denial, and not prepared to listen to valid concerns, and take brave decisions. Anyone not accepting that UKIP are a major political force, are either burying their heads in the sand or trying to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes.The more they dismiss UKIP, the more people will turn to UKIP. UKIP are in the ascendancy!
Utter rubbish. Major force my arse. A bunch of racists with no policies hardly constitutes a force. You are a joke. Go and do some research before paraphrasing fascist propaganda.
No research needed, because all that is required is common sense and logic. That said, I.m very well researched on the housing issue, and the net immigration figure for the last 16 yrs (1997 onwards) compared with housing need is proof. The only way housing need can be addressed is through a combination of increased supply and substantial reduction of net immigration. Increased supply on its own is inadequate, due to limited growth from the private housebuilding sector. I think the joke is on you Old_Man - you are all bluff and bluster. A name-calling bully, with no substantive arguments.
You're absolutely spot on. I am a bully. I'm trying to bully the citizens of Britain into a utopian state where everyone is equal. Colour and creed and nationality becoming irrelevant as everyone learns something from other people. Unfortunately I'll probably fail in my mission due to brainless twerps like you who are nothing but a racist but aren't man enough to admit it. The only real bullies here hide behind a Union Jack and copy and paste crap from the internet in a desperate attempt to look intelligent.
can i just say something? calling someone a racist because of a party is a bit of an assumption as is calling them stupid... that’s like calling you a capitalist toff??

But as for racism and this party... i know its for a front but why would an Indian fella support and indeed have a chair for a racist party?? I think you assuming all UKIP party voters are racist is a bit naive...

So what you are saying is he is racist for supporting an party with an Indian bloke having a seat? isn't that a bit of a stupid thing to say?? do you vote UKIP?
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]You cannot get away from the fact that mass immigration has had a massive impact on housing, schools, hospitals etc. Whatever the supposed economic benefits, it hasn't worked and people are sick of it. The political elite from the EU are dictating that we cannot say no to the free movement of almost 1/2billion people from member countries, and the only way to sort that problem is to get out of the EU. It's not hard to see why so many are turning to UKIP, when the other three parties are in denial, and not prepared to listen to valid concerns, and take brave decisions. Anyone not accepting that UKIP are a major political force, are either burying their heads in the sand or trying to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes.The more they dismiss UKIP, the more people will turn to UKIP. UKIP are in the ascendancy![/p][/quote]Utter rubbish. Major force my arse. A bunch of racists with no policies hardly constitutes a force. You are a joke. Go and do some research before paraphrasing fascist propaganda.[/p][/quote]No research needed, because all that is required is common sense and logic. That said, I.m very well researched on the housing issue, and the net immigration figure for the last 16 yrs (1997 onwards) compared with housing need is proof. The only way housing need can be addressed is through a combination of increased supply and substantial reduction of net immigration. Increased supply on its own is inadequate, due to limited growth from the private housebuilding sector. I think the joke is on you Old_Man - you are all bluff and bluster. A name-calling bully, with no substantive arguments.[/p][/quote]You're absolutely spot on. I am a bully. I'm trying to bully the citizens of Britain into a utopian state where everyone is equal. Colour and creed and nationality becoming irrelevant as everyone learns something from other people. Unfortunately I'll probably fail in my mission due to brainless twerps like you who are nothing but a racist but aren't man enough to admit it. The only real bullies here hide behind a Union Jack and copy and paste crap from the internet in a desperate attempt to look intelligent.[/p][/quote]can i just say something? calling someone a racist because of a party is a bit of an assumption as is calling them stupid... that’s like calling you a capitalist toff?? But as for racism and this party... i know its for a front but why would an Indian fella support and indeed have a chair for a racist party?? I think you assuming all UKIP party voters are racist is a bit naive... So what you are saying is he is racist for supporting an party with an Indian bloke having a seat? isn't that a bit of a stupid thing to say?? do you vote UKIP? Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -2

1:26pm Tue 27 May 14

heworth.28 says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Yorkieand wrote:
big boy york wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment
Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??
If speaking up for your York-born frends and family who get put to the back of the housing queue because the council favour immigrants is wrong, then call them what you like. At the end of the day immigrants are being given housing before those who were here first, and that is WRONG! UKIP are against such practices, that is why more vote for them than Labour in York!
" At the end of the day immigrants are being given housing before those who were here first"

I'm sure if you have any evidence of this the Press will be happy to run it, given how desperate they are for clicks on their website
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: why is everyone scared of ukip, they only say what at least 90% of us feel, im no racist but i think this has been a call to cameron n clegg that enough is enough with immigration. we got a brand new house in york last year there where 19 houses in the close, we had to bid to get one but out of 19 houses 8 where occupied by immigrants n families who where born n bred in york lost out. this is why ukip have such a strong following at the moment[/p][/quote]Why do people who are racist always feel the need to tell everyone else that they're not??[/p][/quote]If speaking up for your York-born frends and family who get put to the back of the housing queue because the council favour immigrants is wrong, then call them what you like. At the end of the day immigrants are being given housing before those who were here first, and that is WRONG! UKIP are against such practices, that is why more vote for them than Labour in York![/p][/quote]" At the end of the day immigrants are being given housing before those who were here first" I'm sure if you have any evidence of this the Press will be happy to run it, given how desperate they are for clicks on their website heworth.28
  • Score: 25

2:31pm Tue 27 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Old_Man wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
the commentator wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
You cannot get away from the fact that mass immigration has had a massive impact on housing, schools, hospitals etc. Whatever the supposed economic benefits, it hasn't worked and people are sick of it. The political elite from the EU are dictating that we cannot say no to the free movement of almost 1/2billion people from member countries, and the only way to sort that problem is to get out of the EU. It's not hard to see why so many are turning to UKIP, when the other three parties are in denial, and not prepared to listen to valid concerns, and take brave decisions. Anyone not accepting that UKIP are a major political force, are either burying their heads in the sand or trying to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes.The more they dismiss UKIP, the more people will turn to UKIP. UKIP are in the ascendancy!
Utter rubbish. Major force my arse. A bunch of racists with no policies hardly constitutes a force. You are a joke. Go and do some research before paraphrasing fascist propaganda.
No research needed, because all that is required is common sense and logic. That said, I.m very well researched on the housing issue, and the net immigration figure for the last 16 yrs (1997 onwards) compared with housing need is proof. The only way housing need can be addressed is through a combination of increased supply and substantial reduction of net immigration. Increased supply on its own is inadequate, due to limited growth from the private housebuilding sector. I think the joke is on you Old_Man - you are all bluff and bluster. A name-calling bully, with no substantive arguments.
You're absolutely spot on. I am a bully. I'm trying to bully the citizens of Britain into a utopian state where everyone is equal. Colour and creed and nationality becoming irrelevant as everyone learns something from other people. Unfortunately I'll probably fail in my mission due to brainless twerps like you who are nothing but a racist but aren't man enough to admit it. The only real bullies here hide behind a Union Jack and copy and paste crap from the internet in a desperate attempt to look intelligent.
'Utopian state' ?

You mean a totalitarian communist regime don't you?

What's the punishment for dissent then?

I can smell the desperation, and the ****!
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]You cannot get away from the fact that mass immigration has had a massive impact on housing, schools, hospitals etc. Whatever the supposed economic benefits, it hasn't worked and people are sick of it. The political elite from the EU are dictating that we cannot say no to the free movement of almost 1/2billion people from member countries, and the only way to sort that problem is to get out of the EU. It's not hard to see why so many are turning to UKIP, when the other three parties are in denial, and not prepared to listen to valid concerns, and take brave decisions. Anyone not accepting that UKIP are a major political force, are either burying their heads in the sand or trying to pull the wool over the electorate's eyes.The more they dismiss UKIP, the more people will turn to UKIP. UKIP are in the ascendancy![/p][/quote]Utter rubbish. Major force my arse. A bunch of racists with no policies hardly constitutes a force. You are a joke. Go and do some research before paraphrasing fascist propaganda.[/p][/quote]No research needed, because all that is required is common sense and logic. That said, I.m very well researched on the housing issue, and the net immigration figure for the last 16 yrs (1997 onwards) compared with housing need is proof. The only way housing need can be addressed is through a combination of increased supply and substantial reduction of net immigration. Increased supply on its own is inadequate, due to limited growth from the private housebuilding sector. I think the joke is on you Old_Man - you are all bluff and bluster. A name-calling bully, with no substantive arguments.[/p][/quote]You're absolutely spot on. I am a bully. I'm trying to bully the citizens of Britain into a utopian state where everyone is equal. Colour and creed and nationality becoming irrelevant as everyone learns something from other people. Unfortunately I'll probably fail in my mission due to brainless twerps like you who are nothing but a racist but aren't man enough to admit it. The only real bullies here hide behind a Union Jack and copy and paste crap from the internet in a desperate attempt to look intelligent.[/p][/quote]'Utopian state' ? You mean a totalitarian communist regime don't you? What's the punishment for dissent then? I can smell the desperation, and the ****! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -24

2:40pm Tue 27 May 14

MrsHoney says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
MrsHoney wrote:
It's an embarrassment that York's majority was UKIP. It's also amusing that York is traditionally Labour and yet there are people turning from a left wing party to a far right one! It does make me wonder if they understand what it is they're actually voting for. I really hope that these same people take a bit more time to think about policies before voting next year, a party run by people who like a good moan down the pub but have no experience or knowledge of politics doesn't strike me as the best one for the job! Nevermind alot of the suspect outrageous views some of them have. I've never voted LibDem in my life but I do actually feel a bit sorry for them. Their supporters are obviously a few brain cells short and don't understand the principles of a coallition. They weren't in power, they were sharing it, they couldn't follow through on their manifesto because they had to make joint decisions with the Conservatives. Likewise, the Tories couldn't go as far as they might have wanted to with regards to immigration because they were held back by the LibDems. Added to this like it or not we are part of the EU at this present time and we can't close our borders even if we wanted to. People just don't take the time or effort to look into the practicalities of what they're asking, to see if it's even possible. To see what the implications are. Unfortunately I can't see the average Joe on the street bothering. Seeing the people interviewed on the news makes me sigh at what seems a hopeless cause. 'I voted UKIP cause there's too many of them foreigners, innit!' Yes, very well argued, I take your point!
I see you're point and yes many UKIP party voters will get judged with the stereo type of a rebadged BNP... But look at our current leaders... i mean what experience do they actually have?? What have they done that’s been positive for our city? All i see is an x salesman wasting money on terrible construction choices.

Yes the boarders can not be closed but there are areas of state provided funding that can be looked at.....don't get me wrong I’m no UKIP voter at all... but the fact that they have had such support shows how poorly labour etc are doing currently. And I really don’t see how people can judge voters saying UKIP are stupid but labour are intelligent? I mean look who labour votes have put in charge? I believe that people vote for what they believe in… that doesn’t make them stupid… would you call a priest stupid for believing in god?

Every party appeals to people who can be easily swayed. Life long labour supporters will never change their stance for example... But there is a large number of the population who vote for the party with the best selling skills... At the moment people are sick of being skint and see the money going to house "immigrants" and pay for their benefits as money wasted that could be returned to the people who "deserve" it. (i use " ” as in my experience there are more English people wanting to sit on the dole and the foreign workers will take the jobs they don't want) dey took ouuurrrrrr jobsssssss.....

The only people to blame for this swing are the previous powers. In my opinion the current lot are doing what had to be done. Cut the amount of money borrowed and cut spending. We as a country were living beyond our means under labour and the current powers have had to stop that and pay back some of their mistakes. Now everyone will look for an excuse as to where the money has been wasted and looks like more people now see it as immigration. The fact is though under previous governments we were living beyond our means... maxing our credit cards and loans to deliver things that we couldn't pay for in the future (pfi schemes! library that is free but costs 5x more in 30 years). We as a nation do this.... everyone wants what they can not afford.

Each party is like a salesman wanting to get your money and be in charge. If anyone actually believes there is a right or wrong party you’re mistaken… all they want to do is look after number 1…. You could put the green party In charge and we would all still have the same amount of issues as we do today…. (apart from meat would be banned and cars would be deported)....
I agree with most of what you said although you ask "would you call a priest stupid for believing in God?" Wrong person to ask that question to seeing as I'm an Atheist!! But that's another issue altogether!

Personally I'm a Tory voter, I don't agree with everything they say but I think that David Cameron hasn't been given enough credit for the effort he's put in to stick up for Britain in Brussels. He hasn't won himself any friends over there but does he get any thanks for it?! When you're in government there are LOADS of issues to get to grips with, immigration is just one thing that for some reason people have fixated on. As if it's the cause of all our troubles. I think alot of our troubles stem from the last government we had who spent money like water, started a war and opened up the borders as practically a free for all.

Fixing that isn't an overnight job, getting rid of the Tories isn't going to make things better it just means they won't have had time to finish mopping up the last government's mistakes. And thinking that UKIP can wave a magic wand and make it all better is even crazier!
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: It's an embarrassment that York's majority was UKIP. It's also amusing that York is traditionally Labour and yet there are people turning from a left wing party to a far right one! It does make me wonder if they understand what it is they're actually voting for. I really hope that these same people take a bit more time to think about policies before voting next year, a party run by people who like a good moan down the pub but have no experience or knowledge of politics doesn't strike me as the best one for the job! Nevermind alot of the suspect outrageous views some of them have. I've never voted LibDem in my life but I do actually feel a bit sorry for them. Their supporters are obviously a few brain cells short and don't understand the principles of a coallition. They weren't in power, they were sharing it, they couldn't follow through on their manifesto because they had to make joint decisions with the Conservatives. Likewise, the Tories couldn't go as far as they might have wanted to with regards to immigration because they were held back by the LibDems. Added to this like it or not we are part of the EU at this present time and we can't close our borders even if we wanted to. People just don't take the time or effort to look into the practicalities of what they're asking, to see if it's even possible. To see what the implications are. Unfortunately I can't see the average Joe on the street bothering. Seeing the people interviewed on the news makes me sigh at what seems a hopeless cause. 'I voted UKIP cause there's too many of them foreigners, innit!' Yes, very well argued, I take your point![/p][/quote]I see you're point and yes many UKIP party voters will get judged with the stereo type of a rebadged BNP... But look at our current leaders... i mean what experience do they actually have?? What have they done that’s been positive for our city? All i see is an x salesman wasting money on terrible construction choices. Yes the boarders can not be closed but there are areas of state provided funding that can be looked at.....don't get me wrong I’m no UKIP voter at all... but the fact that they have had such support shows how poorly labour etc are doing currently. And I really don’t see how people can judge voters saying UKIP are stupid but labour are intelligent? I mean look who labour votes have put in charge? I believe that people vote for what they believe in… that doesn’t make them stupid… would you call a priest stupid for believing in god? Every party appeals to people who can be easily swayed. Life long labour supporters will never change their stance for example... But there is a large number of the population who vote for the party with the best selling skills... At the moment people are sick of being skint and see the money going to house "immigrants" and pay for their benefits as money wasted that could be returned to the people who "deserve" it. (i use " ” as in my experience there are more English people wanting to sit on the dole and the foreign workers will take the jobs they don't want) dey took ouuurrrrrr jobsssssss..... The only people to blame for this swing are the previous powers. In my opinion the current lot are doing what had to be done. Cut the amount of money borrowed and cut spending. We as a country were living beyond our means under labour and the current powers have had to stop that and pay back some of their mistakes. Now everyone will look for an excuse as to where the money has been wasted and looks like more people now see it as immigration. The fact is though under previous governments we were living beyond our means... maxing our credit cards and loans to deliver things that we couldn't pay for in the future (pfi schemes! library that is free but costs 5x more in 30 years). We as a nation do this.... everyone wants what they can not afford. Each party is like a salesman wanting to get your money and be in charge. If anyone actually believes there is a right or wrong party you’re mistaken… all they want to do is look after number 1…. You could put the green party In charge and we would all still have the same amount of issues as we do today…. (apart from meat would be banned and cars would be deported)....[/p][/quote]I agree with most of what you said although you ask "would you call a priest stupid for believing in God?" Wrong person to ask that question to seeing as I'm an Atheist!! But that's another issue altogether! Personally I'm a Tory voter, I don't agree with everything they say but I think that David Cameron hasn't been given enough credit for the effort he's put in to stick up for Britain in Brussels. He hasn't won himself any friends over there but does he get any thanks for it?! When you're in government there are LOADS of issues to get to grips with, immigration is just one thing that for some reason people have fixated on. As if it's the cause of all our troubles. I think alot of our troubles stem from the last government we had who spent money like water, started a war and opened up the borders as practically a free for all. Fixing that isn't an overnight job, getting rid of the Tories isn't going to make things better it just means they won't have had time to finish mopping up the last government's mistakes. And thinking that UKIP can wave a magic wand and make it all better is even crazier! MrsHoney
  • Score: 6

2:43pm Tue 27 May 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

This thread makes me weep for humanity I swear.

Though I did love the socialism and fascism are a fine line apart bit, that's the most amusing case of "didn't do the research" I think I've heard for a long time! Kudos!
This thread makes me weep for humanity I swear. Though I did love the socialism and fascism are a fine line apart bit, that's the most amusing case of "didn't do the research" I think I've heard for a long time! Kudos! AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: 7

2:47pm Tue 27 May 14

MorkofYork says...

"I recommend 5 dried grams. Or 200 micrograms."

Lol that went straight over the head of many i bet.

I'm just sick of ignorant, lying politicians who are elected to represent people who are by large good decent people. Then they know nothing but dirty tricks and manipulation. People deserve better. They deserve to see their good integrity reflected in government. This will make us a happy nation again.

Change is coming one way or another, the plastic faced establishment is beyond redemption in the eyes of many.
The old tricks of swaying public opinion won't work anymore, the internet is changing everything.
"I recommend 5 dried grams. Or 200 micrograms." Lol that went straight over the head of many i bet. I'm just sick of ignorant, lying politicians who are elected to represent people who are by large good decent people. Then they know nothing but dirty tricks and manipulation. People deserve better. They deserve to see their good integrity reflected in government. This will make us a happy nation again. Change is coming one way or another, the plastic faced establishment is beyond redemption in the eyes of many. The old tricks of swaying public opinion won't work anymore, the internet is changing everything. MorkofYork
  • Score: 6

3:01pm Tue 27 May 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

MrsHoney wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
MrsHoney wrote: It's an embarrassment that York's majority was UKIP. It's also amusing that York is traditionally Labour and yet there are people turning from a left wing party to a far right one! It does make me wonder if they understand what it is they're actually voting for. I really hope that these same people take a bit more time to think about policies before voting next year, a party run by people who like a good moan down the pub but have no experience or knowledge of politics doesn't strike me as the best one for the job! Nevermind alot of the suspect outrageous views some of them have. I've never voted LibDem in my life but I do actually feel a bit sorry for them. Their supporters are obviously a few brain cells short and don't understand the principles of a coallition. They weren't in power, they were sharing it, they couldn't follow through on their manifesto because they had to make joint decisions with the Conservatives. Likewise, the Tories couldn't go as far as they might have wanted to with regards to immigration because they were held back by the LibDems. Added to this like it or not we are part of the EU at this present time and we can't close our borders even if we wanted to. People just don't take the time or effort to look into the practicalities of what they're asking, to see if it's even possible. To see what the implications are. Unfortunately I can't see the average Joe on the street bothering. Seeing the people interviewed on the news makes me sigh at what seems a hopeless cause. 'I voted UKIP cause there's too many of them foreigners, innit!' Yes, very well argued, I take your point!
I see you're point and yes many UKIP party voters will get judged with the stereo type of a rebadged BNP... But look at our current leaders... i mean what experience do they actually have?? What have they done that’s been positive for our city? All i see is an x salesman wasting money on terrible construction choices. Yes the boarders can not be closed but there are areas of state provided funding that can be looked at.....don't get me wrong I’m no UKIP voter at all... but the fact that they have had such support shows how poorly labour etc are doing currently. And I really don’t see how people can judge voters saying UKIP are stupid but labour are intelligent? I mean look who labour votes have put in charge? I believe that people vote for what they believe in… that doesn’t make them stupid… would you call a priest stupid for believing in god? Every party appeals to people who can be easily swayed. Life long labour supporters will never change their stance for example... But there is a large number of the population who vote for the party with the best selling skills... At the moment people are sick of being skint and see the money going to house "immigrants" and pay for their benefits as money wasted that could be returned to the people who "deserve" it. (i use " ” as in my experience there are more English people wanting to sit on the dole and the foreign workers will take the jobs they don't want) dey took ouuurrrrrr jobsssssss..... The only people to blame for this swing are the previous powers. In my opinion the current lot are doing what had to be done. Cut the amount of money borrowed and cut spending. We as a country were living beyond our means under labour and the current powers have had to stop that and pay back some of their mistakes. Now everyone will look for an excuse as to where the money has been wasted and looks like more people now see it as immigration. The fact is though under previous governments we were living beyond our means... maxing our credit cards and loans to deliver things that we couldn't pay for in the future (pfi schemes! library that is free but costs 5x more in 30 years). We as a nation do this.... everyone wants what they can not afford. Each party is like a salesman wanting to get your money and be in charge. If anyone actually believes there is a right or wrong party you’re mistaken… all they want to do is look after number 1…. You could put the green party In charge and we would all still have the same amount of issues as we do today…. (apart from meat would be banned and cars would be deported)....
I agree with most of what you said although you ask "would you call a priest stupid for believing in God?" Wrong person to ask that question to seeing as I'm an Atheist!! But that's another issue altogether! Personally I'm a Tory voter, I don't agree with everything they say but I think that David Cameron hasn't been given enough credit for the effort he's put in to stick up for Britain in Brussels. He hasn't won himself any friends over there but does he get any thanks for it?! When you're in government there are LOADS of issues to get to grips with, immigration is just one thing that for some reason people have fixated on. As if it's the cause of all our troubles. I think alot of our troubles stem from the last government we had who spent money like water, started a war and opened up the borders as practically a free for all. Fixing that isn't an overnight job, getting rid of the Tories isn't going to make things better it just means they won't have had time to finish mopping up the last government's mistakes. And thinking that UKIP can wave a magic wand and make it all better is even crazier!
my points exactly... if people now want to start borrowing more and have a government that gets in more debt to delivery happiness then fair play... being a realist I know for a fact that these cuts had to be made... until the country is fully recovered financially and has more income to spend this will continue.. If we do borrow more in 10 years there will be another period for longer of increased poverty and wake up calls for the scroungers... all this government has done is cut down on free money and asked people to earn it... People who don't like that are not really want we want in society.. whatever colour they are etc... the state is like a parent with a lazy child... they can not support them forever..

Hahaha the priest thing was just for a point... but do you think they are stupid??
[quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: It's an embarrassment that York's majority was UKIP. It's also amusing that York is traditionally Labour and yet there are people turning from a left wing party to a far right one! It does make me wonder if they understand what it is they're actually voting for. I really hope that these same people take a bit more time to think about policies before voting next year, a party run by people who like a good moan down the pub but have no experience or knowledge of politics doesn't strike me as the best one for the job! Nevermind alot of the suspect outrageous views some of them have. I've never voted LibDem in my life but I do actually feel a bit sorry for them. Their supporters are obviously a few brain cells short and don't understand the principles of a coallition. They weren't in power, they were sharing it, they couldn't follow through on their manifesto because they had to make joint decisions with the Conservatives. Likewise, the Tories couldn't go as far as they might have wanted to with regards to immigration because they were held back by the LibDems. Added to this like it or not we are part of the EU at this present time and we can't close our borders even if we wanted to. People just don't take the time or effort to look into the practicalities of what they're asking, to see if it's even possible. To see what the implications are. Unfortunately I can't see the average Joe on the street bothering. Seeing the people interviewed on the news makes me sigh at what seems a hopeless cause. 'I voted UKIP cause there's too many of them foreigners, innit!' Yes, very well argued, I take your point![/p][/quote]I see you're point and yes many UKIP party voters will get judged with the stereo type of a rebadged BNP... But look at our current leaders... i mean what experience do they actually have?? What have they done that’s been positive for our city? All i see is an x salesman wasting money on terrible construction choices. Yes the boarders can not be closed but there are areas of state provided funding that can be looked at.....don't get me wrong I’m no UKIP voter at all... but the fact that they have had such support shows how poorly labour etc are doing currently. And I really don’t see how people can judge voters saying UKIP are stupid but labour are intelligent? I mean look who labour votes have put in charge? I believe that people vote for what they believe in… that doesn’t make them stupid… would you call a priest stupid for believing in god? Every party appeals to people who can be easily swayed. Life long labour supporters will never change their stance for example... But there is a large number of the population who vote for the party with the best selling skills... At the moment people are sick of being skint and see the money going to house "immigrants" and pay for their benefits as money wasted that could be returned to the people who "deserve" it. (i use " ” as in my experience there are more English people wanting to sit on the dole and the foreign workers will take the jobs they don't want) dey took ouuurrrrrr jobsssssss..... The only people to blame for this swing are the previous powers. In my opinion the current lot are doing what had to be done. Cut the amount of money borrowed and cut spending. We as a country were living beyond our means under labour and the current powers have had to stop that and pay back some of their mistakes. Now everyone will look for an excuse as to where the money has been wasted and looks like more people now see it as immigration. The fact is though under previous governments we were living beyond our means... maxing our credit cards and loans to deliver things that we couldn't pay for in the future (pfi schemes! library that is free but costs 5x more in 30 years). We as a nation do this.... everyone wants what they can not afford. Each party is like a salesman wanting to get your money and be in charge. If anyone actually believes there is a right or wrong party you’re mistaken… all they want to do is look after number 1…. You could put the green party In charge and we would all still have the same amount of issues as we do today…. (apart from meat would be banned and cars would be deported)....[/p][/quote]I agree with most of what you said although you ask "would you call a priest stupid for believing in God?" Wrong person to ask that question to seeing as I'm an Atheist!! But that's another issue altogether! Personally I'm a Tory voter, I don't agree with everything they say but I think that David Cameron hasn't been given enough credit for the effort he's put in to stick up for Britain in Brussels. He hasn't won himself any friends over there but does he get any thanks for it?! When you're in government there are LOADS of issues to get to grips with, immigration is just one thing that for some reason people have fixated on. As if it's the cause of all our troubles. I think alot of our troubles stem from the last government we had who spent money like water, started a war and opened up the borders as practically a free for all. Fixing that isn't an overnight job, getting rid of the Tories isn't going to make things better it just means they won't have had time to finish mopping up the last government's mistakes. And thinking that UKIP can wave a magic wand and make it all better is even crazier![/p][/quote]my points exactly... if people now want to start borrowing more and have a government that gets in more debt to delivery happiness then fair play... being a realist I know for a fact that these cuts had to be made... until the country is fully recovered financially and has more income to spend this will continue.. If we do borrow more in 10 years there will be another period for longer of increased poverty and wake up calls for the scroungers... all this government has done is cut down on free money and asked people to earn it... People who don't like that are not really want we want in society.. whatever colour they are etc... the state is like a parent with a lazy child... they can not support them forever.. Hahaha the priest thing was just for a point... but do you think they are stupid?? Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -5

3:51pm Tue 27 May 14

MrsHoney says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
MrsHoney wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
MrsHoney wrote: It's an embarrassment that York's majority was UKIP. It's also amusing that York is traditionally Labour and yet there are people turning from a left wing party to a far right one! It does make me wonder if they understand what it is they're actually voting for. I really hope that these same people take a bit more time to think about policies before voting next year, a party run by people who like a good moan down the pub but have no experience or knowledge of politics doesn't strike me as the best one for the job! Nevermind alot of the suspect outrageous views some of them have. I've never voted LibDem in my life but I do actually feel a bit sorry for them. Their supporters are obviously a few brain cells short and don't understand the principles of a coallition. They weren't in power, they were sharing it, they couldn't follow through on their manifesto because they had to make joint decisions with the Conservatives. Likewise, the Tories couldn't go as far as they might have wanted to with regards to immigration because they were held back by the LibDems. Added to this like it or not we are part of the EU at this present time and we can't close our borders even if we wanted to. People just don't take the time or effort to look into the practicalities of what they're asking, to see if it's even possible. To see what the implications are. Unfortunately I can't see the average Joe on the street bothering. Seeing the people interviewed on the news makes me sigh at what seems a hopeless cause. 'I voted UKIP cause there's too many of them foreigners, innit!' Yes, very well argued, I take your point!
I see you're point and yes many UKIP party voters will get judged with the stereo type of a rebadged BNP... But look at our current leaders... i mean what experience do they actually have?? What have they done that’s been positive for our city? All i see is an x salesman wasting money on terrible construction choices. Yes the boarders can not be closed but there are areas of state provided funding that can be looked at.....don't get me wrong I’m no UKIP voter at all... but the fact that they have had such support shows how poorly labour etc are doing currently. And I really don’t see how people can judge voters saying UKIP are stupid but labour are intelligent? I mean look who labour votes have put in charge? I believe that people vote for what they believe in… that doesn’t make them stupid… would you call a priest stupid for believing in god? Every party appeals to people who can be easily swayed. Life long labour supporters will never change their stance for example... But there is a large number of the population who vote for the party with the best selling skills... At the moment people are sick of being skint and see the money going to house "immigrants" and pay for their benefits as money wasted that could be returned to the people who "deserve" it. (i use " ” as in my experience there are more English people wanting to sit on the dole and the foreign workers will take the jobs they don't want) dey took ouuurrrrrr jobsssssss..... The only people to blame for this swing are the previous powers. In my opinion the current lot are doing what had to be done. Cut the amount of money borrowed and cut spending. We as a country were living beyond our means under labour and the current powers have had to stop that and pay back some of their mistakes. Now everyone will look for an excuse as to where the money has been wasted and looks like more people now see it as immigration. The fact is though under previous governments we were living beyond our means... maxing our credit cards and loans to deliver things that we couldn't pay for in the future (pfi schemes! library that is free but costs 5x more in 30 years). We as a nation do this.... everyone wants what they can not afford. Each party is like a salesman wanting to get your money and be in charge. If anyone actually believes there is a right or wrong party you’re mistaken… all they want to do is look after number 1…. You could put the green party In charge and we would all still have the same amount of issues as we do today…. (apart from meat would be banned and cars would be deported)....
I agree with most of what you said although you ask "would you call a priest stupid for believing in God?" Wrong person to ask that question to seeing as I'm an Atheist!! But that's another issue altogether! Personally I'm a Tory voter, I don't agree with everything they say but I think that David Cameron hasn't been given enough credit for the effort he's put in to stick up for Britain in Brussels. He hasn't won himself any friends over there but does he get any thanks for it?! When you're in government there are LOADS of issues to get to grips with, immigration is just one thing that for some reason people have fixated on. As if it's the cause of all our troubles. I think alot of our troubles stem from the last government we had who spent money like water, started a war and opened up the borders as practically a free for all. Fixing that isn't an overnight job, getting rid of the Tories isn't going to make things better it just means they won't have had time to finish mopping up the last government's mistakes. And thinking that UKIP can wave a magic wand and make it all better is even crazier!
my points exactly... if people now want to start borrowing more and have a government that gets in more debt to delivery happiness then fair play... being a realist I know for a fact that these cuts had to be made... until the country is fully recovered financially and has more income to spend this will continue.. If we do borrow more in 10 years there will be another period for longer of increased poverty and wake up calls for the scroungers... all this government has done is cut down on free money and asked people to earn it... People who don't like that are not really want we want in society.. whatever colour they are etc... the state is like a parent with a lazy child... they can not support them forever..

Hahaha the priest thing was just for a point... but do you think they are stupid??
Not stupid but illogical? I find it hard to understand how seemingly intelligent people can believe in God. And not only that but mock other beliefs like ghosts and aliens as if they're crazy! But as I said, that's another topic altogether!!
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: It's an embarrassment that York's majority was UKIP. It's also amusing that York is traditionally Labour and yet there are people turning from a left wing party to a far right one! It does make me wonder if they understand what it is they're actually voting for. I really hope that these same people take a bit more time to think about policies before voting next year, a party run by people who like a good moan down the pub but have no experience or knowledge of politics doesn't strike me as the best one for the job! Nevermind alot of the suspect outrageous views some of them have. I've never voted LibDem in my life but I do actually feel a bit sorry for them. Their supporters are obviously a few brain cells short and don't understand the principles of a coallition. They weren't in power, they were sharing it, they couldn't follow through on their manifesto because they had to make joint decisions with the Conservatives. Likewise, the Tories couldn't go as far as they might have wanted to with regards to immigration because they were held back by the LibDems. Added to this like it or not we are part of the EU at this present time and we can't close our borders even if we wanted to. People just don't take the time or effort to look into the practicalities of what they're asking, to see if it's even possible. To see what the implications are. Unfortunately I can't see the average Joe on the street bothering. Seeing the people interviewed on the news makes me sigh at what seems a hopeless cause. 'I voted UKIP cause there's too many of them foreigners, innit!' Yes, very well argued, I take your point![/p][/quote]I see you're point and yes many UKIP party voters will get judged with the stereo type of a rebadged BNP... But look at our current leaders... i mean what experience do they actually have?? What have they done that’s been positive for our city? All i see is an x salesman wasting money on terrible construction choices. Yes the boarders can not be closed but there are areas of state provided funding that can be looked at.....don't get me wrong I’m no UKIP voter at all... but the fact that they have had such support shows how poorly labour etc are doing currently. And I really don’t see how people can judge voters saying UKIP are stupid but labour are intelligent? I mean look who labour votes have put in charge? I believe that people vote for what they believe in… that doesn’t make them stupid… would you call a priest stupid for believing in god? Every party appeals to people who can be easily swayed. Life long labour supporters will never change their stance for example... But there is a large number of the population who vote for the party with the best selling skills... At the moment people are sick of being skint and see the money going to house "immigrants" and pay for their benefits as money wasted that could be returned to the people who "deserve" it. (i use " ” as in my experience there are more English people wanting to sit on the dole and the foreign workers will take the jobs they don't want) dey took ouuurrrrrr jobsssssss..... The only people to blame for this swing are the previous powers. In my opinion the current lot are doing what had to be done. Cut the amount of money borrowed and cut spending. We as a country were living beyond our means under labour and the current powers have had to stop that and pay back some of their mistakes. Now everyone will look for an excuse as to where the money has been wasted and looks like more people now see it as immigration. The fact is though under previous governments we were living beyond our means... maxing our credit cards and loans to deliver things that we couldn't pay for in the future (pfi schemes! library that is free but costs 5x more in 30 years). We as a nation do this.... everyone wants what they can not afford. Each party is like a salesman wanting to get your money and be in charge. If anyone actually believes there is a right or wrong party you’re mistaken… all they want to do is look after number 1…. You could put the green party In charge and we would all still have the same amount of issues as we do today…. (apart from meat would be banned and cars would be deported)....[/p][/quote]I agree with most of what you said although you ask "would you call a priest stupid for believing in God?" Wrong person to ask that question to seeing as I'm an Atheist!! But that's another issue altogether! Personally I'm a Tory voter, I don't agree with everything they say but I think that David Cameron hasn't been given enough credit for the effort he's put in to stick up for Britain in Brussels. He hasn't won himself any friends over there but does he get any thanks for it?! When you're in government there are LOADS of issues to get to grips with, immigration is just one thing that for some reason people have fixated on. As if it's the cause of all our troubles. I think alot of our troubles stem from the last government we had who spent money like water, started a war and opened up the borders as practically a free for all. Fixing that isn't an overnight job, getting rid of the Tories isn't going to make things better it just means they won't have had time to finish mopping up the last government's mistakes. And thinking that UKIP can wave a magic wand and make it all better is even crazier![/p][/quote]my points exactly... if people now want to start borrowing more and have a government that gets in more debt to delivery happiness then fair play... being a realist I know for a fact that these cuts had to be made... until the country is fully recovered financially and has more income to spend this will continue.. If we do borrow more in 10 years there will be another period for longer of increased poverty and wake up calls for the scroungers... all this government has done is cut down on free money and asked people to earn it... People who don't like that are not really want we want in society.. whatever colour they are etc... the state is like a parent with a lazy child... they can not support them forever.. Hahaha the priest thing was just for a point... but do you think they are stupid??[/p][/quote]Not stupid but illogical? I find it hard to understand how seemingly intelligent people can believe in God. And not only that but mock other beliefs like ghosts and aliens as if they're crazy! But as I said, that's another topic altogether!! MrsHoney
  • Score: 7

4:55pm Tue 27 May 14

Jonothon says...

petethefeet wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
Socialism and fascism are miles apart!
So why did hitler called it "national socialism"? Basically, they are bound by the same doctrine that the state is mighty. Any student of evolution and who understands the term "cheaters & detracters" knows why any such supposedly altruistic sentiments are doomed to fail?
This is always coming up. Lets just be clear, Hitler imprisoned the Socialists even before he went for the Jews. If anyone had called Hitler a socialist to his face, he would have been shot on the spot.
The reason Hitler gave for adopting the name was to "Take socialism away from the socialists" because the German socialists were the main threat to Nazism.
In order to distinguish himself from the Marxist called themselves International Socialists. Hitler called himself the exact opposite, a NATIONAL socialist ie. one who rejected totally the internationalist perspective, egalitarianism and class solidarity across all races which was the policy of the German Socialist movement (the Spartacus League)

It is bizarre to draw parallels because of a similarity of names. A clothes-horse may sound like a kind of horse, so does a sea horse, but neither of them will win the Grand National
[quote][p][bold]petethefeet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: Socialism and fascism are miles apart![/p][/quote]So why did hitler called it "national socialism"? Basically, they are bound by the same doctrine that the state is mighty. Any student of evolution and who understands the term "cheaters & detracters" knows why any such supposedly altruistic sentiments are doomed to fail?[/p][/quote]This is always coming up. Lets just be clear, Hitler imprisoned the Socialists even before he went for the Jews. If anyone had called Hitler a socialist to his face, he would have been shot on the spot. The reason Hitler gave for adopting the name was to "Take socialism away from the socialists" because the German socialists were the main threat to Nazism. In order to distinguish himself from the Marxist called themselves International Socialists. Hitler called himself the exact opposite, a NATIONAL socialist ie. one who rejected totally the internationalist perspective, egalitarianism and class solidarity across all races which was the policy of the German Socialist movement (the Spartacus League) It is bizarre to draw parallels because of a similarity of names. A clothes-horse may sound like a kind of horse, so does a sea horse, but neither of them will win the Grand National Jonothon
  • Score: 43

5:28pm Tue 27 May 14

the commentator says...

roy_batty wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
roy_batty wrote:
I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.?

I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.
I don't know about racist but you're definitely stupid.
Well I don't know your education so I won't insult you back.

roclank200... neither I or my cousins find the term Half-caste offensive, so get over it..
You really are ignorant beyond belief. Just because you and your so called cousins dont find the term offensive doesnt mean it is right to use. Is ok to drop the "n" word also? You do even know what the term half caste means?
[quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.? I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.[/p][/quote]I don't know about racist but you're definitely stupid.[/p][/quote]Well I don't know your education so I won't insult you back. roclank200... neither I or my cousins find the term Half-caste offensive, so get over it..[/p][/quote]You really are ignorant beyond belief. Just because you and your so called cousins dont find the term offensive doesnt mean it is right to use. Is ok to drop the "n" word also? You do even know what the term half caste means? the commentator
  • Score: 20

5:49pm Tue 27 May 14

roy_batty says...

the commentator wrote:
roy_batty wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
roy_batty wrote:
I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.?

I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.
I don't know about racist but you're definitely stupid.
Well I don't know your education so I won't insult you back.

roclank200... neither I or my cousins find the term Half-caste offensive, so get over it..
You really are ignorant beyond belief. Just because you and your so called cousins dont find the term offensive doesnt mean it is right to use. Is ok to drop the "n" word also? You do even know what the term half caste means?
Oh give it a rest will you? The "n" word?? Now who's being ignorant ?
Half-caste is a term for a category of people of mixed race or ethnicity. It is derived from the term caste, which comes from the Latin castus, meaning pure, and the derivative Portuguese and Spanish casta, meaning race..!that any good for you? Now go get over yourself !
[quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.? I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.[/p][/quote]I don't know about racist but you're definitely stupid.[/p][/quote]Well I don't know your education so I won't insult you back. roclank200... neither I or my cousins find the term Half-caste offensive, so get over it..[/p][/quote]You really are ignorant beyond belief. Just because you and your so called cousins dont find the term offensive doesnt mean it is right to use. Is ok to drop the "n" word also? You do even know what the term half caste means?[/p][/quote]Oh give it a rest will you? The "n" word?? Now who's being ignorant ? Half-caste is a term for a category of people of mixed race or ethnicity. It is derived from the term caste, which comes from the Latin castus, meaning pure, and the derivative Portuguese and Spanish casta, meaning race..!that any good for you? Now go get over yourself ! roy_batty
  • Score: -18

6:16pm Tue 27 May 14

andyjon12 says...

I can only conclude that in York, the ten thousand or so who voted for UKIP last Thursday are basically ill informed bigots who gain their political "knowledge" from bigoted "newspapers" like the Sun and Daily Mail, in addition to cretins like Kay Burly. To those who normally vote Labour, but opted for these loons instead, please educate yourselves - UKIP are even worse than the right wing Tories. They are wolves dressed as sheep - ultra right wing; if they gain momentum and say gain 20 or so seats at the next general election, BEWARE! It would be a nightmare scenario if this was to happen, coupled with a slender Tory win; our country would then be run by right wing and far right wing bigots, who would form a coalition and implement even more irreversible and discriminative damage upon the vulnerable.
I can only conclude that in York, the ten thousand or so who voted for UKIP last Thursday are basically ill informed bigots who gain their political "knowledge" from bigoted "newspapers" like the Sun and Daily Mail, in addition to cretins like Kay Burly. To those who normally vote Labour, but opted for these loons instead, please educate yourselves - UKIP are even worse than the right wing Tories. They are wolves dressed as sheep - ultra right wing; if they gain momentum and say gain 20 or so seats at the next general election, BEWARE! It would be a nightmare scenario if this was to happen, coupled with a slender Tory win; our country would then be run by right wing and far right wing bigots, who would form a coalition and implement even more irreversible and discriminative damage upon the vulnerable. andyjon12
  • Score: 31

6:24pm Tue 27 May 14

geoff tibletts says...

roy_batty wrote:
I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.?

I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.
Your description reminds me of those dodgy 1970's sitcoms with people like alf garnet though I must admit I found them very funny.
[quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.? I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.[/p][/quote]Your description reminds me of those dodgy 1970's sitcoms with people like alf garnet though I must admit I found them very funny. geoff tibletts
  • Score: -20

6:37pm Tue 27 May 14

the commentator says...

roy_batty wrote:
the commentator wrote:
roy_batty wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
roy_batty wrote:
I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.?

I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.
I don't know about racist but you're definitely stupid.
Well I don't know your education so I won't insult you back.

roclank200... neither I or my cousins find the term Half-caste offensive, so get over it..
You really are ignorant beyond belief. Just because you and your so called cousins dont find the term offensive doesnt mean it is right to use. Is ok to drop the "n" word also? You do even know what the term half caste means?
Oh give it a rest will you? The "n" word?? Now who's being ignorant ?
Half-caste is a term for a category of people of mixed race or ethnicity. It is derived from the term caste, which comes from the Latin castus, meaning pure, and the derivative Portuguese and Spanish casta, meaning race..!that any good for you? Now go get over yourself !
Well copied and pasted from Google you absolute moron. So you don't understand the offensiveness that goes with that word, despite the copied and pasted explanation? Sorry, why am I ignorant, is it ok to say the "n" word in your book then? You are a prime example of a UKIP voting primate and you don't even realise that it's also the likes of you that they will want to wash their hands of.
[quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.? I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.[/p][/quote]I don't know about racist but you're definitely stupid.[/p][/quote]Well I don't know your education so I won't insult you back. roclank200... neither I or my cousins find the term Half-caste offensive, so get over it..[/p][/quote]You really are ignorant beyond belief. Just because you and your so called cousins dont find the term offensive doesnt mean it is right to use. Is ok to drop the "n" word also? You do even know what the term half caste means?[/p][/quote]Oh give it a rest will you? The "n" word?? Now who's being ignorant ? Half-caste is a term for a category of people of mixed race or ethnicity. It is derived from the term caste, which comes from the Latin castus, meaning pure, and the derivative Portuguese and Spanish casta, meaning race..!that any good for you? Now go get over yourself ![/p][/quote]Well copied and pasted from Google you absolute moron. So you don't understand the offensiveness that goes with that word, despite the copied and pasted explanation? Sorry, why am I ignorant, is it ok to say the "n" word in your book then? You are a prime example of a UKIP voting primate and you don't even realise that it's also the likes of you that they will want to wash their hands of. the commentator
  • Score: 27

6:39pm Tue 27 May 14

Old_Man says...

The 'n' word? Numpty?
The 'n' word? Numpty? Old_Man
  • Score: 29

6:43pm Tue 27 May 14

the commentator says...

Old_Man wrote:
The 'n' word? Numpty?
In Roy Battys case yes
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: The 'n' word? Numpty?[/p][/quote]In Roy Battys case yes the commentator
  • Score: 28

7:10pm Tue 27 May 14

geoff tibletts says...

the commentator wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
The 'n' word? Numpty?
In Roy Battys case yes
The results reflect what the voters feel and in the case of labour who wasted 13 years in power and had a disastrous open door immigration policy maybe even they will see the damage they did to the country
[quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: The 'n' word? Numpty?[/p][/quote]In Roy Battys case yes[/p][/quote]The results reflect what the voters feel and in the case of labour who wasted 13 years in power and had a disastrous open door immigration policy maybe even they will see the damage they did to the country geoff tibletts
  • Score: -31

7:21pm Tue 27 May 14

the commentator says...

UKIP are simply tapping into a valid undercurrent but it serves their own racist views very well.

Watch this and tell me you honestly believe this fool can lead a nation

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=Z4Rq7avG
234
UKIP are simply tapping into a valid undercurrent but it serves their own racist views very well. Watch this and tell me you honestly believe this fool can lead a nation https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=Z4Rq7avG 234 the commentator
  • Score: 27

7:59pm Tue 27 May 14

roy_batty says...

the commentator wrote:
roy_batty wrote:
the commentator wrote:
roy_batty wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
roy_batty wrote:
I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.?

I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.
I don't know about racist but you're definitely stupid.
Well I don't know your education so I won't insult you back.

roclank200... neither I or my cousins find the term Half-caste offensive, so get over it..
You really are ignorant beyond belief. Just because you and your so called cousins dont find the term offensive doesnt mean it is right to use. Is ok to drop the "n" word also? You do even know what the term half caste means?
Oh give it a rest will you? The "n" word?? Now who's being ignorant ?
Half-caste is a term for a category of people of mixed race or ethnicity. It is derived from the term caste, which comes from the Latin castus, meaning pure, and the derivative Portuguese and Spanish casta, meaning race..!that any good for you? Now go get over yourself !
Well copied and pasted from Google you absolute moron. So you don't understand the offensiveness that goes with that word, despite the copied and pasted explanation? Sorry, why am I ignorant, is it ok to say the "n" word in your book then? You are a prime example of a UKIP voting primate and you don't even realise that it's also the likes of you that they will want to wash their hands of.
Whatever commentator, my cousins had to put up with a lot more **** than the N word in the late 60's early 70's .
[quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.? I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.[/p][/quote]I don't know about racist but you're definitely stupid.[/p][/quote]Well I don't know your education so I won't insult you back. roclank200... neither I or my cousins find the term Half-caste offensive, so get over it..[/p][/quote]You really are ignorant beyond belief. Just because you and your so called cousins dont find the term offensive doesnt mean it is right to use. Is ok to drop the "n" word also? You do even know what the term half caste means?[/p][/quote]Oh give it a rest will you? The "n" word?? Now who's being ignorant ? Half-caste is a term for a category of people of mixed race or ethnicity. It is derived from the term caste, which comes from the Latin castus, meaning pure, and the derivative Portuguese and Spanish casta, meaning race..!that any good for you? Now go get over yourself ![/p][/quote]Well copied and pasted from Google you absolute moron. So you don't understand the offensiveness that goes with that word, despite the copied and pasted explanation? Sorry, why am I ignorant, is it ok to say the "n" word in your book then? You are a prime example of a UKIP voting primate and you don't even realise that it's also the likes of you that they will want to wash their hands of.[/p][/quote]Whatever commentator, my cousins had to put up with a lot more **** than the N word in the late 60's early 70's . roy_batty
  • Score: -28

8:32pm Tue 27 May 14

jake777 says...

the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.
[quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth. jake777
  • Score: -30

8:43pm Tue 27 May 14

the commentator says...

roy_batty wrote:
the commentator wrote:
roy_batty wrote:
the commentator wrote:
roy_batty wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
roy_batty wrote:
I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.?

I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.
I don't know about racist but you're definitely stupid.
Well I don't know your education so I won't insult you back.

roclank200... neither I or my cousins find the term Half-caste offensive, so get over it..
You really are ignorant beyond belief. Just because you and your so called cousins dont find the term offensive doesnt mean it is right to use. Is ok to drop the "n" word also? You do even know what the term half caste means?
Oh give it a rest will you? The "n" word?? Now who's being ignorant ?
Half-caste is a term for a category of people of mixed race or ethnicity. It is derived from the term caste, which comes from the Latin castus, meaning pure, and the derivative Portuguese and Spanish casta, meaning race..!that any good for you? Now go get over yourself !
Well copied and pasted from Google you absolute moron. So you don't understand the offensiveness that goes with that word, despite the copied and pasted explanation? Sorry, why am I ignorant, is it ok to say the "n" word in your book then? You are a prime example of a UKIP voting primate and you don't even realise that it's also the likes of you that they will want to wash their hands of.
Whatever commentator, my cousins had to put up with a lot more **** than the N word in the late 60's early 70's .
yes from people like you, racist oik
[quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roy_batty[/bold] wrote: I voted UKIP, one of my best friends is black, two of my cousins are half caste, the landlord in my local is black, my lifelong barber is Polish, am i a racist because i am fed up of the open door immigration policy and the E.U.? I am also fed up of the so called Labour party, our Labour M.P. and the York Labour run council, i vote every election and am a previous Labour voter, this was not a protest vote, I will be voting UKIP next year in the local and general elections.[/p][/quote]I don't know about racist but you're definitely stupid.[/p][/quote]Well I don't know your education so I won't insult you back. roclank200... neither I or my cousins find the term Half-caste offensive, so get over it..[/p][/quote]You really are ignorant beyond belief. Just because you and your so called cousins dont find the term offensive doesnt mean it is right to use. Is ok to drop the "n" word also? You do even know what the term half caste means?[/p][/quote]Oh give it a rest will you? The "n" word?? Now who's being ignorant ? Half-caste is a term for a category of people of mixed race or ethnicity. It is derived from the term caste, which comes from the Latin castus, meaning pure, and the derivative Portuguese and Spanish casta, meaning race..!that any good for you? Now go get over yourself ![/p][/quote]Well copied and pasted from Google you absolute moron. So you don't understand the offensiveness that goes with that word, despite the copied and pasted explanation? Sorry, why am I ignorant, is it ok to say the "n" word in your book then? You are a prime example of a UKIP voting primate and you don't even realise that it's also the likes of you that they will want to wash their hands of.[/p][/quote]Whatever commentator, my cousins had to put up with a lot more **** than the N word in the late 60's early 70's .[/p][/quote]yes from people like you, racist oik the commentator
  • Score: 29

8:46pm Tue 27 May 14

the commentator says...

jake777 wrote:
the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.
Another prime example of a UKIP voter, resorting to swearing and insulting because not one brain cell to actually dig down and look at what UKIP stand for. Just be careful what you wish for because if UKIP get their own way, it'll be the likes of you having your benefit stopped and having to go and pick the fruit our hard working European friends are having to do now just to make ends meet.
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.[/p][/quote]Another prime example of a UKIP voter, resorting to swearing and insulting because not one brain cell to actually dig down and look at what UKIP stand for. Just be careful what you wish for because if UKIP get their own way, it'll be the likes of you having your benefit stopped and having to go and pick the fruit our hard working European friends are having to do now just to make ends meet. the commentator
  • Score: 27

8:59pm Tue 27 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

the commentator wrote:
jake777 wrote:
the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.
Another prime example of a UKIP voter, resorting to swearing and insulting because not one brain cell to actually dig down and look at what UKIP stand for. Just be careful what you wish for because if UKIP get their own way, it'll be the likes of you having your benefit stopped and having to go and pick the fruit our hard working European friends are having to do now just to make ends meet.
to be fair to jake777, you really are a ****! typical loony lefty who can throw insults about but can't take it, you don't seem to get it do you, not everybody see's it your way! just like you don't see it theirs! do you know jake777 personally? you insinuate that he is on benefits? get a life!
[quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.[/p][/quote]Another prime example of a UKIP voter, resorting to swearing and insulting because not one brain cell to actually dig down and look at what UKIP stand for. Just be careful what you wish for because if UKIP get their own way, it'll be the likes of you having your benefit stopped and having to go and pick the fruit our hard working European friends are having to do now just to make ends meet.[/p][/quote]to be fair to jake777, you really are a ****! typical loony lefty who can throw insults about but can't take it, you don't seem to get it do you, not everybody see's it your way! just like you don't see it theirs! do you know jake777 personally? you insinuate that he is on benefits? get a life! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -50

9:02pm Tue 27 May 14

jake777 says...

the commentator wrote:
jake777 wrote:
the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.
Another prime example of a UKIP voter, resorting to swearing and insulting because not one brain cell to actually dig down and look at what UKIP stand for. Just be careful what you wish for because if UKIP get their own way, it'll be the likes of you having your benefit stopped and having to go and pick the fruit our hard working European friends are having to do now just to make ends meet.
UKIP FOR BRITAIN BRING IT ON
[quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.[/p][/quote]Another prime example of a UKIP voter, resorting to swearing and insulting because not one brain cell to actually dig down and look at what UKIP stand for. Just be careful what you wish for because if UKIP get their own way, it'll be the likes of you having your benefit stopped and having to go and pick the fruit our hard working European friends are having to do now just to make ends meet.[/p][/quote]UKIP FOR BRITAIN BRING IT ON jake777
  • Score: -38

9:03pm Tue 27 May 14

the commentator says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
the commentator wrote:
jake777 wrote:
the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.
Another prime example of a UKIP voter, resorting to swearing and insulting because not one brain cell to actually dig down and look at what UKIP stand for. Just be careful what you wish for because if UKIP get their own way, it'll be the likes of you having your benefit stopped and having to go and pick the fruit our hard working European friends are having to do now just to make ends meet.
to be fair to jake777, you really are a ****! typical loony lefty who can throw insults about but can't take it, you don't seem to get it do you, not everybody see's it your way! just like you don't see it theirs! do you know jake777 personally? you insinuate that he is on benefits? get a life!
I am far from a Labour supporter otherwise I wouldnt have a problem with benefit scroungers would I. I can take it, I welcome it, this is a great platform for the UKIP supporters to demonstrate what the intelligent voters think of them.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.[/p][/quote]Another prime example of a UKIP voter, resorting to swearing and insulting because not one brain cell to actually dig down and look at what UKIP stand for. Just be careful what you wish for because if UKIP get their own way, it'll be the likes of you having your benefit stopped and having to go and pick the fruit our hard working European friends are having to do now just to make ends meet.[/p][/quote]to be fair to jake777, you really are a ****! typical loony lefty who can throw insults about but can't take it, you don't seem to get it do you, not everybody see's it your way! just like you don't see it theirs! do you know jake777 personally? you insinuate that he is on benefits? get a life![/p][/quote]I am far from a Labour supporter otherwise I wouldnt have a problem with benefit scroungers would I. I can take it, I welcome it, this is a great platform for the UKIP supporters to demonstrate what the intelligent voters think of them. the commentator
  • Score: 32

9:06pm Tue 27 May 14

jake777 says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
the commentator wrote:
jake777 wrote:
the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.
Another prime example of a UKIP voter, resorting to swearing and insulting because not one brain cell to actually dig down and look at what UKIP stand for. Just be careful what you wish for because if UKIP get their own way, it'll be the likes of you having your benefit stopped and having to go and pick the fruit our hard working European friends are having to do now just to make ends meet.
to be fair to jake777, you really are a ****! typical loony lefty who can throw insults about but can't take it, you don't seem to get it do you, not everybody see's it your way! just like you don't see it theirs! do you know jake777 personally? you insinuate that he is on benefits? get a life!
Fully Employed and have been for 39 years and never drawn benefits he has no idea and thank you.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.[/p][/quote]Another prime example of a UKIP voter, resorting to swearing and insulting because not one brain cell to actually dig down and look at what UKIP stand for. Just be careful what you wish for because if UKIP get their own way, it'll be the likes of you having your benefit stopped and having to go and pick the fruit our hard working European friends are having to do now just to make ends meet.[/p][/quote]to be fair to jake777, you really are a ****! typical loony lefty who can throw insults about but can't take it, you don't seem to get it do you, not everybody see's it your way! just like you don't see it theirs! do you know jake777 personally? you insinuate that he is on benefits? get a life![/p][/quote]Fully Employed and have been for 39 years and never drawn benefits he has no idea and thank you. jake777
  • Score: -37

9:09pm Tue 27 May 14

jake777 says...

the commentator wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
the commentator wrote:
jake777 wrote:
the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.
Another prime example of a UKIP voter, resorting to swearing and insulting because not one brain cell to actually dig down and look at what UKIP stand for. Just be careful what you wish for because if UKIP get their own way, it'll be the likes of you having your benefit stopped and having to go and pick the fruit our hard working European friends are having to do now just to make ends meet.
to be fair to jake777, you really are a ****! typical loony lefty who can throw insults about but can't take it, you don't seem to get it do you, not everybody see's it your way! just like you don't see it theirs! do you know jake777 personally? you insinuate that he is on benefits? get a life!
I am far from a Labour supporter otherwise I wouldnt have a problem with benefit scroungers would I. I can take it, I welcome it, this is a great platform for the UKIP supporters to demonstrate what the intelligent voters think of them.
never have drawn benefits so get your facts right, unlike you who I bet you have what a stupid numpty.
[quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.[/p][/quote]Another prime example of a UKIP voter, resorting to swearing and insulting because not one brain cell to actually dig down and look at what UKIP stand for. Just be careful what you wish for because if UKIP get their own way, it'll be the likes of you having your benefit stopped and having to go and pick the fruit our hard working European friends are having to do now just to make ends meet.[/p][/quote]to be fair to jake777, you really are a ****! typical loony lefty who can throw insults about but can't take it, you don't seem to get it do you, not everybody see's it your way! just like you don't see it theirs! do you know jake777 personally? you insinuate that he is on benefits? get a life![/p][/quote]I am far from a Labour supporter otherwise I wouldnt have a problem with benefit scroungers would I. I can take it, I welcome it, this is a great platform for the UKIP supporters to demonstrate what the intelligent voters think of them.[/p][/quote]never have drawn benefits so get your facts right, unlike you who I bet you have what a stupid numpty. jake777
  • Score: -38

9:13pm Tue 27 May 14

the commentator says...

jake777 wrote:
the commentator wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
the commentator wrote:
jake777 wrote:
the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.
Another prime example of a UKIP voter, resorting to swearing and insulting because not one brain cell to actually dig down and look at what UKIP stand for. Just be careful what you wish for because if UKIP get their own way, it'll be the likes of you having your benefit stopped and having to go and pick the fruit our hard working European friends are having to do now just to make ends meet.
to be fair to jake777, you really are a ****! typical loony lefty who can throw insults about but can't take it, you don't seem to get it do you, not everybody see's it your way! just like you don't see it theirs! do you know jake777 personally? you insinuate that he is on benefits? get a life!
I am far from a Labour supporter otherwise I wouldnt have a problem with benefit scroungers would I. I can take it, I welcome it, this is a great platform for the UKIP supporters to demonstrate what the intelligent voters think of them.
never have drawn benefits so get your facts right, unlike you who I bet you have what a stupid numpty.
Ok, I apologise and take it back, you are not and have not claimed benefits. I should have guessed first time, you're clearly of working class, still watch box sets of Mind Your Language and Love Thy Neighbour and Bernard Manning is your favourite comedian. I apologise.
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.[/p][/quote]Another prime example of a UKIP voter, resorting to swearing and insulting because not one brain cell to actually dig down and look at what UKIP stand for. Just be careful what you wish for because if UKIP get their own way, it'll be the likes of you having your benefit stopped and having to go and pick the fruit our hard working European friends are having to do now just to make ends meet.[/p][/quote]to be fair to jake777, you really are a ****! typical loony lefty who can throw insults about but can't take it, you don't seem to get it do you, not everybody see's it your way! just like you don't see it theirs! do you know jake777 personally? you insinuate that he is on benefits? get a life![/p][/quote]I am far from a Labour supporter otherwise I wouldnt have a problem with benefit scroungers would I. I can take it, I welcome it, this is a great platform for the UKIP supporters to demonstrate what the intelligent voters think of them.[/p][/quote]never have drawn benefits so get your facts right, unlike you who I bet you have what a stupid numpty.[/p][/quote]Ok, I apologise and take it back, you are not and have not claimed benefits. I should have guessed first time, you're clearly of working class, still watch box sets of Mind Your Language and Love Thy Neighbour and Bernard Manning is your favourite comedian. I apologise. the commentator
  • Score: 47

9:24pm Tue 27 May 14

the commentator says...

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=768h3Tz4
Qik&feature=kp
https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=768h3Tz4 Qik&feature=kp the commentator
  • Score: 25

12:22am Wed 28 May 14

jmumof3 says...

I'm sickened, truly sickened. People didn't bother to vote and now we are being represented by a party of uninformed bigots. The EU and immigration are some of the UKs biggest generators of income. Recession = scapegoating = morons getting votes. I walk round York and hear people talking out loud about how angry they are about UKIP's success. You can see here on the comments page how the people really feel.

And second-class citizens in our own country? Get real. White British are 91% of the British population and that's with immigration at its highest. We make a ton of money from it.

Yes we having housing issues, and people needing foodbanks. There is a recession and people can't find a living wage.

Immigration didn't bring in sanctions, bedroom tax, banking scandals, high rents. You know who messed up our economy? Bankers like Nigel Farage. This is why he can't stop laughing, because too many people really are as gullible as he hopes.

But... not the majority, as the mutterings in York, and the comments here prove. britian does have sense and decency, they just didn't vote.
I'm sickened, truly sickened. People didn't bother to vote and now we are being represented by a party of uninformed bigots. The EU and immigration are some of the UKs biggest generators of income. Recession = scapegoating = morons getting votes. I walk round York and hear people talking out loud about how angry they are about UKIP's success. You can see here on the comments page how the people really feel. And second-class citizens in our own country? Get real. White British are 91% of the British population and that's with immigration at its highest. We make a ton of money from it. Yes we having housing issues, and people needing foodbanks. There is a recession and people can't find a living wage. Immigration didn't bring in sanctions, bedroom tax, banking scandals, high rents. You know who messed up our economy? Bankers like Nigel Farage. This is why he can't stop laughing, because too many people really are as gullible as he hopes. But... not the majority, as the mutterings in York, and the comments here prove. britian does have sense and decency, they just didn't vote. jmumof3
  • Score: 51

9:57am Wed 28 May 14

Fred Bishop says...

"Elections reveal region’s Eurosceptic voting result"+++++++++++++

Just why is the subject of EU rejection sanitised and softened to 'Eurosceptic'?
The word is 'ANTI' people want out, they are not in mild doubt, they are not taking their time in careful consideration, they have made up their minds, they want none of an unelected imposed dictatorship.
"Elections reveal region’s Eurosceptic voting result"+++++++++++++ Just why is the subject of EU rejection sanitised and softened to 'Eurosceptic'? The word is 'ANTI' people want out, they are not in mild doubt, they are not taking their time in careful consideration, they have made up their minds, they want none of an unelected imposed dictatorship. Fred Bishop
  • Score: -11

10:01am Wed 28 May 14

Fred Bishop says...

jmumof3 wrote:
I'm sickened, truly sickened. People didn't bother to vote and now we are being represented by a party of uninformed bigots. The EU and immigration are some of the UKs biggest generators of income. Recession = scapegoating = morons getting votes. I walk round York and hear people talking out loud about how angry they are about UKIP's success. You can see here on the comments page how the people really feel.

And second-class citizens in our own country? Get real. White British are 91% of the British population and that's with immigration at its highest. We make a ton of money from it.

Yes we having housing issues, and people needing foodbanks. There is a recession and people can't find a living wage.

Immigration didn't bring in sanctions, bedroom tax, banking scandals, high rents. You know who messed up our economy? Bankers like Nigel Farage. This is why he can't stop laughing, because too many people really are as gullible as he hopes.

But... not the majority, as the mutterings in York, and the comments here prove. britian does have sense and decency, they just didn't vote.
jmumof3 says... "We make a ton of money from it."++++++++
That is selling our country, there is a name for that.
[quote][p][bold]jmumof3[/bold] wrote: I'm sickened, truly sickened. People didn't bother to vote and now we are being represented by a party of uninformed bigots. The EU and immigration are some of the UKs biggest generators of income. Recession = scapegoating = morons getting votes. I walk round York and hear people talking out loud about how angry they are about UKIP's success. You can see here on the comments page how the people really feel. And second-class citizens in our own country? Get real. White British are 91% of the British population and that's with immigration at its highest. We make a ton of money from it. Yes we having housing issues, and people needing foodbanks. There is a recession and people can't find a living wage. Immigration didn't bring in sanctions, bedroom tax, banking scandals, high rents. You know who messed up our economy? Bankers like Nigel Farage. This is why he can't stop laughing, because too many people really are as gullible as he hopes. But... not the majority, as the mutterings in York, and the comments here prove. britian does have sense and decency, they just didn't vote.[/p][/quote]jmumof3 says... "We make a ton of money from it."++++++++ That is selling our country, there is a name for that. Fred Bishop
  • Score: -12

10:24am Wed 28 May 14

Septimius Severus says...

Hello YorkStories. Hello DavidOfYork. I'm Spartacus. I mean Septimius.
Hello YorkStories. Hello DavidOfYork. I'm Spartacus. I mean Septimius. Septimius Severus
  • Score: -11

12:52pm Wed 28 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Just been looking at hugh bayleys election results over the years and I reckon York could have a new mp next year, and its gonna be UKIP or tory!
Just been looking at hugh bayleys election results over the years and I reckon York could have a new mp next year, and its gonna be UKIP or tory! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -10

1:10pm Wed 28 May 14

bloodaxe says...

petethefeet wrote:
bloodaxe wrote:
What on earth is an indigene ? I know very few people who could claim to be "ethnically British" as there really is no such thing. From whichever period of history you take your standpoint there is immigration and miscegenation. In chronological order: Romans ( themselves heterogeneous) Angles, Saxons, Scandinavians, Norman French, Flemish, Huguenot French, , Dutch, Irish, Russian Jewish , West Indian, Indian, Pakistani, Ugandan Asian and latterly French (again) have all contributed to the mix which some people now attempt to call British. As for stemming the flow, well perhaps we can stem the flow of people leaving this country as well, either to retire to the sun or to work abroad. As for this country being overcrowded, that is so mathematically ludicrous as to be beyond serious debate. One of the really depressing aspects of this whole "debate" is that the case for Europe is hardly ever made. We are fed a one-sided blast against Europe from most of the newspapers and certainly from the tabloids except the Mirror. I hope that the UKIP voters are selective as to who tends them next time they need to use the services of the NHS and that they check that their vegetables were picked by British workers. In the latter case unlikely, as veg picking isn't too popular with the "natives".
I trust you noted that I wrote "whatever that is" in relation to indigenous? It was the best word I could contrive for the established population which have 'evolved' something akin to a British culture. That's what I'm referring to and I believe the majority of people also believe that there has been too much, too quick, change to that culture of late. And contrary to your unsupported, un-evidence'ed, & (frankly) ludicrous ascertain that we are not over-populated, I cite our 'stressed' water-resources, our 'stretched' power-generating capacity, our over-crowded roads, our scarce over-priced hosing, organisations desperate to protect rural England, etc, etc. It's pressure at every point! So please one-and-all, if you do wish to challenge somebody, first read what they put and then offer contrary evidence. Otherwise, you are just a tw@t!
Oh....and as evident from my posts, I'm not a UKIP supporter!
Pressure at every point ? Quick change of culture ? We may have a narrow overcapacity in power generating but that's entirely due to failure of successive governments to invest taxpayers money in new plant and relying on a privatised profit-based insustry which has failed to deliver. Housing is a crisis in no small measure due to our tendency to see housing as an investment rather than somewhere to live. We invest in property which is unproductive, unlike the Germans who rent property and invest in their industry. Overcorowded roads are only in cerrtain places and eattributable to a failure to invest in decent public transport and poor road planning.; we build-in congestion. Water resources stretched ? Who says so ? We are simply not overpopulated. Cities have high densities, indeed the highest densities in London are in The West End which is the most desirable part. Much of the UK is rather underpopulated. If you want to see high densities go to the Netherlands or Belgium, hardly rundown and deprived. Our culture has been in a state of flux for centuries. It has never been fixed. Just because things aren't quite the same as they were in your young day doesn't mean that they have been as they were in the fifties, sixties or seventies for ever. As for me being a piece of female genitalia, that sounds like fun.
[quote][p][bold]petethefeet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: What on earth is an indigene ? I know very few people who could claim to be "ethnically British" as there really is no such thing. From whichever period of history you take your standpoint there is immigration and miscegenation. In chronological order: Romans ( themselves heterogeneous) Angles, Saxons, Scandinavians, Norman French, Flemish, Huguenot French, , Dutch, Irish, Russian Jewish , West Indian, Indian, Pakistani, Ugandan Asian and latterly French (again) have all contributed to the mix which some people now attempt to call British. As for stemming the flow, well perhaps we can stem the flow of people leaving this country as well, either to retire to the sun or to work abroad. As for this country being overcrowded, that is so mathematically ludicrous as to be beyond serious debate. One of the really depressing aspects of this whole "debate" is that the case for Europe is hardly ever made. We are fed a one-sided blast against Europe from most of the newspapers and certainly from the tabloids except the Mirror. I hope that the UKIP voters are selective as to who tends them next time they need to use the services of the NHS and that they check that their vegetables were picked by British workers. In the latter case unlikely, as veg picking isn't too popular with the "natives".[/p][/quote]I trust you noted that I wrote "whatever that is" in relation to indigenous? It was the best word I could contrive for the established population which have 'evolved' something akin to a British culture. That's what I'm referring to and I believe the majority of people also believe that there has been too much, too quick, change to that culture of late. And contrary to your unsupported, un-evidence'ed, & (frankly) ludicrous ascertain that we are not over-populated, I cite our 'stressed' water-resources, our 'stretched' power-generating capacity, our over-crowded roads, our scarce over-priced hosing, organisations desperate to protect rural England, etc, etc. It's pressure at every point! So please one-and-all, if you do wish to challenge somebody, first read what they put and then offer contrary evidence. Otherwise, you are just a tw@t! Oh....and as evident from my posts, I'm not a UKIP supporter![/p][/quote]Pressure at every point ? Quick change of culture ? We may have a narrow overcapacity in power generating but that's entirely due to failure of successive governments to invest taxpayers money in new plant and relying on a privatised profit-based insustry which has failed to deliver. Housing is a crisis in no small measure due to our tendency to see housing as an investment rather than somewhere to live. We invest in property which is unproductive, unlike the Germans who rent property and invest in their industry. Overcorowded roads are only in cerrtain places and eattributable to a failure to invest in decent public transport and poor road planning.; we build-in congestion. Water resources stretched ? Who says so ? We are simply not overpopulated. Cities have high densities, indeed the highest densities in London are in The West End which is the most desirable part. Much of the UK is rather underpopulated. If you want to see high densities go to the Netherlands or Belgium, hardly rundown and deprived. Our culture has been in a state of flux for centuries. It has never been fixed. Just because things aren't quite the same as they were in your young day doesn't mean that they have been as they were in the fifties, sixties or seventies for ever. As for me being a piece of female genitalia, that sounds like fun. bloodaxe
  • Score: 13

1:25pm Wed 28 May 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Fred Bishop wrote:
"Elections reveal region’s Eurosceptic voting result"+++++++++++++


Just why is the subject of EU rejection sanitised and softened to 'Eurosceptic'?
The word is 'ANTI' people want out, they are not in mild doubt, they are not taking their time in careful consideration, they have made up their minds, they want none of an unelected imposed dictatorship.
Errrm impressive logic. A declaration on a story about European elections that these people are unelected...
[quote][p][bold]Fred Bishop[/bold] wrote: "Elections reveal region’s Eurosceptic voting result"+++++++++++++ Just why is the subject of EU rejection sanitised and softened to 'Eurosceptic'? The word is 'ANTI' people want out, they are not in mild doubt, they are not taking their time in careful consideration, they have made up their minds, they want none of an unelected imposed dictatorship.[/p][/quote]Errrm impressive logic. A declaration on a story about European elections that these people are unelected... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: 13

3:42pm Wed 28 May 14

york_chap says...

Quite a few people on here seem to be denouncing UKIP and their anti-immigration stance. That's understandable; given that York has by and large managed to avoid the tidal-wave of mass immigration which has completely transformed many parts of the UK in the last 10 years. Based solely on the demographics of York and North Yorkshire, it's hard to see why immigration is much of a worry. Step outside our county into many other places however and it's a different picture altogether.

In London, for example, the last census shows that over half of all people living there (so the majority) were born abroad. In some boroughs the figure is getting towards 2/3. The last time I was down there I went into several branded shops where the serving staff couldn't speak or understand even rudimentary English. Anything more than "£2.99 please" was completely beyond them and I had to just give up and walk away. This kind of situation is alien to most York folk but seems to be the norm in some places now.

A certain amount of immigration, mainly consisting of employable people with recognised qualifications and skills (and their families) is perfectly healthy and benefits the UK. Letting in 250,000+ people per year (plus the many who slip in under the radar), with no real employment prospects, no means of supporting themselves and little grasp of English does not help anyone.
Quite a few people on here seem to be denouncing UKIP and their anti-immigration stance. That's understandable; given that York has by and large managed to avoid the tidal-wave of mass immigration which has completely transformed many parts of the UK in the last 10 years. Based solely on the demographics of York and North Yorkshire, it's hard to see why immigration is much of a worry. Step outside our county into many other places however and it's a different picture altogether. In London, for example, the last census shows that over half of all people living there (so the majority) were born abroad. In some boroughs the figure is getting towards 2/3. The last time I was down there I went into several branded shops where the serving staff couldn't speak or understand even rudimentary English. Anything more than "£2.99 please" was completely beyond them and I had to just give up and walk away. This kind of situation is alien to most York folk but seems to be the norm in some places now. A certain amount of immigration, mainly consisting of employable people with recognised qualifications and skills (and their families) is perfectly healthy and benefits the UK. Letting in 250,000+ people per year (plus the many who slip in under the radar), with no real employment prospects, no means of supporting themselves and little grasp of English does not help anyone. york_chap
  • Score: -3

8:04pm Wed 28 May 14

Benjamin the Ass says...

jake777 wrote:
the commentator wrote:
UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.
what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.
Working hard for minimum wage undercutting the indiginous population who are strugling to pay extortionate rents or house prices while trying to bring up a family. Or do you expect the thee families of this country to sleep six to a room and work 14 hours a day to survive?
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: UKIP are winning votes from politically uneducated people by tapping into issues that have been bubbling under the skin of the British born residents for some time now. However, most UKIP voters are doing this based on 1 or 2 minute snippets of news of Farage where he comes across as fairly likeable charismatic bloke who understands what the voters want. However, the British ignorance of "those immigrants coming and taking our jobs" is generally just a good excuse for them not to get off their backside and look for jobs. Employers employ eastern european immigrants because they will work hard for minimum wage doing jobs a lot of UK born people turn their nose up at. Anybody who drills down however and watches Farage in interviews, soon realises he is a moron ruling a party of morons and hypocrites.[/p][/quote]what a P***K no wonder we are in the mess we are in with people like you on this Earth.[/p][/quote]Working hard for minimum wage undercutting the indiginous population who are strugling to pay extortionate rents or house prices while trying to bring up a family. Or do you expect the thee families of this country to sleep six to a room and work 14 hours a day to survive? Benjamin the Ass
  • Score: -2

3:26pm Thu 29 May 14

MidnightBoo says...

Caecilius wrote:
Most people who supported UKIP didn't have a clue what they were voting for - like the elderly couple on the national news last week who cheerfully admitted that they knew nothing about UKIP's policies beyond the fact that it was against the EU, and actually seemed to think that their utter ignorance was something to be proud of. If they'd bothered to look into UKIP's policies, they might have noticed that (a) they're an uncosted ragbag of soundbites calculated to ring the bell of people with certain preconceived opinions and little taste for critical thinking, and (b) they're even worse for ordinary working people than the Tories'.

Here's what Yorkshire voters got. Hookem and Collins allegedly threatened disciplinary action against a UKIP activist who criticised Godfrey Bloom's ravings that unemployed people should be deprived of the vote - from which we can infer that they are sympathetic to this idea, and to who knows what other gems among Bloom's bizarre ramblings. Bashir's issue, as a director of a business found to be employing seven illegal immigrants, is well known to anyone who takes any trouble to follow the news.

This vote is the political equivalent of a toddler temper tantrum, from people who are justifiably sickened by the main parties, want convenient scapegoats to blame their problems on and refuse to recognise that Farage is just as much a career politician as all the others, and equally motivated by self-interest. He plays his voters like a violin.
Excellent comment
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: Most people who supported UKIP didn't have a clue what they were voting for - like the elderly couple on the national news last week who cheerfully admitted that they knew nothing about UKIP's policies beyond the fact that it was against the EU, and actually seemed to think that their utter ignorance was something to be proud of. If they'd bothered to look into UKIP's policies, they might have noticed that (a) they're an uncosted ragbag of soundbites calculated to ring the bell of people with certain preconceived opinions and little taste for critical thinking, and (b) they're even worse for ordinary working people than the Tories'. Here's what Yorkshire voters got. Hookem and Collins allegedly threatened disciplinary action against a UKIP activist who criticised Godfrey Bloom's ravings that unemployed people should be deprived of the vote - from which we can infer that they are sympathetic to this idea, and to who knows what other gems among Bloom's bizarre ramblings. Bashir's issue, as a director of a business found to be employing seven illegal immigrants, is well known to anyone who takes any trouble to follow the news. This vote is the political equivalent of a toddler temper tantrum, from people who are justifiably sickened by the main parties, want convenient scapegoats to blame their problems on and refuse to recognise that Farage is just as much a career politician as all the others, and equally motivated by self-interest. He plays his voters like a violin.[/p][/quote]Excellent comment MidnightBoo
  • Score: 13

3:36pm Thu 29 May 14

Kevin Turvey says...

‘jmumof3 says...
I'm sickened, truly sickened. People didn't bother to vote and now we are being represented by a party of uninformed bigots’


Well if they had bothered to take an interest and vote perhaps it would not be as a protest vote to the main parties!

Surely if we are ‘being represented by a party of uninformed bigots’ that’s only representation for the people that actually voted and the non-voters are not represented at all!

To my mind we are all mostly uninformed as that’s just how the establishment status quo keeping main parties actually want it.

It’s called control!

Perhaps under the easily accessible banner of UKIP people are stating that we are starting to see what is really going on in the world/UK and we do not like it.

The only way to show that at the present is with either far left or far right politics as the main parties are not listening until we give them a poke in the eye – much like now!

PS:
I spoiled my vote as a deliberate act!
‘jmumof3 says... I'm sickened, truly sickened. People didn't bother to vote and now we are being represented by a party of uninformed bigots’ Well if they had bothered to take an interest and vote perhaps it would not be as a protest vote to the main parties! Surely if we are ‘being represented by a party of uninformed bigots’ that’s only representation for the people that actually voted and the non-voters are not represented at all! To my mind we are all mostly uninformed as that’s just how the establishment status quo keeping main parties actually want it. It’s called control! Perhaps under the easily accessible banner of UKIP people are stating that we are starting to see what is really going on in the world/UK and we do not like it. The only way to show that at the present is with either far left or far right politics as the main parties are not listening until we give them a poke in the eye – much like now! PS: I spoiled my vote as a deliberate act! Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -11

4:37pm Thu 29 May 14

iwasright says...

Caecilius wrote:
Most people who supported UKIP didn't have a clue what they were voting for - like the elderly couple on the national news last week who cheerfully admitted that they knew nothing about UKIP's policies beyond the fact that it was against the EU, and actually seemed to think that their utter ignorance was something to be proud of. If they'd bothered to look into UKIP's policies, they might have noticed that (a) they're an uncosted ragbag of soundbites calculated to ring the bell of people with certain preconceived opinions and little taste for critical thinking, and (b) they're even worse for ordinary working people than the Tories'.

Here's what Yorkshire voters got. Hookem and Collins allegedly threatened disciplinary action against a UKIP activist who criticised Godfrey Bloom's ravings that unemployed people should be deprived of the vote - from which we can infer that they are sympathetic to this idea, and to who knows what other gems among Bloom's bizarre ramblings. Bashir's issue, as a director of a business found to be employing seven illegal immigrants, is well known to anyone who takes any trouble to follow the news.

This vote is the political equivalent of a toddler temper tantrum, from people who are justifiably sickened by the main parties, want convenient scapegoats to blame their problems on and refuse to recognise that Farage is just as much a career politician as all the others, and equally motivated by self-interest. He plays his voters like a violin.
Nigel is for the people he will get us out of the huge rut the other two parties drove us into, these parties had years to work for us now they gain the peoples wrath.
Its made them think again and are now trying to use the same idea as UKIP but its far too late. talk about two faced.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: Most people who supported UKIP didn't have a clue what they were voting for - like the elderly couple on the national news last week who cheerfully admitted that they knew nothing about UKIP's policies beyond the fact that it was against the EU, and actually seemed to think that their utter ignorance was something to be proud of. If they'd bothered to look into UKIP's policies, they might have noticed that (a) they're an uncosted ragbag of soundbites calculated to ring the bell of people with certain preconceived opinions and little taste for critical thinking, and (b) they're even worse for ordinary working people than the Tories'. Here's what Yorkshire voters got. Hookem and Collins allegedly threatened disciplinary action against a UKIP activist who criticised Godfrey Bloom's ravings that unemployed people should be deprived of the vote - from which we can infer that they are sympathetic to this idea, and to who knows what other gems among Bloom's bizarre ramblings. Bashir's issue, as a director of a business found to be employing seven illegal immigrants, is well known to anyone who takes any trouble to follow the news. This vote is the political equivalent of a toddler temper tantrum, from people who are justifiably sickened by the main parties, want convenient scapegoats to blame their problems on and refuse to recognise that Farage is just as much a career politician as all the others, and equally motivated by self-interest. He plays his voters like a violin.[/p][/quote]Nigel is for the people he will get us out of the huge rut the other two parties drove us into, these parties had years to work for us now they gain the peoples wrath. Its made them think again and are now trying to use the same idea as UKIP but its far too late. talk about two faced. iwasright
  • Score: -11

8:20am Fri 30 May 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

so does anyone else believe this is purely a protest vote...........I don't think so because the turnout overall was very low. Most political parties should consider themselves failures and people (the voters) see the need for change but don't know how this can be achieved. UKIP is an unproven group and it is natural that people may vote this way in the hope that they may be the light at the end of the tunnel. What would happen if nobody voted?
so does anyone else believe this is purely a protest vote...........I don't think so because the turnout overall was very low. Most political parties should consider themselves failures and people (the voters) see the need for change but don't know how this can be achieved. UKIP is an unproven group and it is natural that people may vote this way in the hope that they may be the light at the end of the tunnel. What would happen if nobody voted? thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: -10

9:06pm Fri 30 May 14

jake777 says...

andyjon12 wrote:
I can only conclude that in York, the ten thousand or so who voted for UKIP last Thursday are basically ill informed bigots who gain their political "knowledge" from bigoted "newspapers" like the Sun and Daily Mail, in addition to cretins like Kay Burly. To those who normally vote Labour, but opted for these loons instead, please educate yourselves - UKIP are even worse than the right wing Tories. They are wolves dressed as sheep - ultra right wing; if they gain momentum and say gain 20 or so seats at the next general election, BEWARE! It would be a nightmare scenario if this was to happen, coupled with a slender Tory win; our country would then be run by right wing and far right wing bigots, who would form a coalition and implement even more irreversible and discriminative damage upon the vulnerable.
that's your opinion, ill informed bigot.
[quote][p][bold]andyjon12[/bold] wrote: I can only conclude that in York, the ten thousand or so who voted for UKIP last Thursday are basically ill informed bigots who gain their political "knowledge" from bigoted "newspapers" like the Sun and Daily Mail, in addition to cretins like Kay Burly. To those who normally vote Labour, but opted for these loons instead, please educate yourselves - UKIP are even worse than the right wing Tories. They are wolves dressed as sheep - ultra right wing; if they gain momentum and say gain 20 or so seats at the next general election, BEWARE! It would be a nightmare scenario if this was to happen, coupled with a slender Tory win; our country would then be run by right wing and far right wing bigots, who would form a coalition and implement even more irreversible and discriminative damage upon the vulnerable.[/p][/quote]that's your opinion, ill informed bigot. jake777
  • Score: -23

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