Park&Ride road works wrecking business, shops claim

COSTING TRADE: The Poppleton Road roundabout road works, on the A59, which traders say are affecting their trade

COSTING TRADE: The Poppleton Road roundabout road works, on the A59, which traders say are affecting their trade

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BUSINESSES near a new Park&Ride site being built in York claim they are losing trade due to poor signage.

Restaurants close to the new Poppleton Bar P&R say drivers coming along the bypass from the A19 roundabout at night face signs saying the road is closed, but there is nothing to tell them nearby businesses are open as usual.

Sharell Richardson, from the Wetherby Whaler at York Business Park, said: "We realise the work has to happen for a reason, but when you come down from the Rawcliffe roundabout the signs just say 'road closed' and there's nothing to say businesses here are open as usual and it's meant things have been really difficult. Our takings are down on takings from previous years."

Rural West Conservative councillor Ian Gillies said he has asked council officers if the businesses affected can get business rate relief.

Cllr Gillies said: "I think part of the problem is that businesses weren't told they would be closing the road and for how long. It's closed at the minute from 8pm until the next morning and it's really hurting the restaurants along there. We are in week two of three weeks and it's taking it's toll.

"I have asked for some signs to be put up and for the businesses to get business rate relief."

Tony Clarke, head of transport at City of York Council, said: “The A59/A1237 roundabout upgrade and the new Park&Ride site at Poppleton Bar is the largest transport infrastructure investment in York since the outer ring road was built in the 80s.

"Throughout the construction period, which started last May, we have worked hard with businesses and residents to deliver the scheme with the minimum amount of disruption.

“However, due to the scale of these improvement works some disruption is unfortunately unavoidable, particularly as the scheme comes to the end and the roads are being surfaced. We are doing everything reasonably possible to help businesses during the short time the most disruptive works are taking place overnight, and we are currently discussing what options are available with businesses direct.

“Access is available to all businesses in the area throughout the works but at times diversion routes may have to be followed. York’s P&Rs attract over 4 million passenger journeys every year and the introduction of the new Poppleton P&R is sure to attract even more visitors and residents to use the businesses in the area when it opens in June.”

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10:24am Sat 17 May 14

cheesygeek says...

these road works are terrible a huge mass of cones and signs with no progress it has to be the slowest road works ever i would love to know how far behind they are and trust me they must be behind time because no one is ever doing anything when your sat in traffic there
these road works are terrible a huge mass of cones and signs with no progress it has to be the slowest road works ever i would love to know how far behind they are and trust me they must be behind time because no one is ever doing anything when your sat in traffic there cheesygeek
  • Score: -5

10:42am Sat 17 May 14

Thecynic says...

The Romans built a road from London to Newcastle in less time and to a higher standard than this lot. - Without machinery! and with only a few unemployed labourers.
The Romans built a road from London to Newcastle in less time and to a higher standard than this lot. - Without machinery! and with only a few unemployed labourers. Thecynic
  • Score: -25

11:06am Sat 17 May 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

We've got 'Park and Walk' at Bishop Wilton...
We've got 'Park and Walk' at Bishop Wilton... Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -52

11:24am Sat 17 May 14

JohnSc says...

cheesygeek wrote:
these road works are terrible a huge mass of cones and signs with no progress it has to be the slowest road works ever i would love to know how far behind they are and trust me they must be behind time because no one is ever doing anything when your sat in traffic there
Recently the signs changed from Finishing End of May to End of June.

I pass through the junction every day and am annoyed at the "My daddy works here" sign; he's rarely working.

Seriously I'm sure it could have been better organised and the job finished faster. Early on little seemed to happen despite the disruption. Now there are more workers about. Also why couldn't they finish one part of the junction at a time.
[quote][p][bold]cheesygeek[/bold] wrote: these road works are terrible a huge mass of cones and signs with no progress it has to be the slowest road works ever i would love to know how far behind they are and trust me they must be behind time because no one is ever doing anything when your sat in traffic there[/p][/quote]Recently the signs changed from Finishing End of May to End of June. I pass through the junction every day and am annoyed at the "My daddy works here" sign; he's rarely working. Seriously I'm sure it could have been better organised and the job finished faster. Early on little seemed to happen despite the disruption. Now there are more workers about. Also why couldn't they finish one part of the junction at a time. JohnSc
  • Score: -19

11:26am Sat 17 May 14

PKH says...

The railways managed to repair the considerable damage at Dawlish in a matter of weeks, yet on the roads we seem incapable to enlarge a roundabout with underpass in a year. Contracts for this type of work should be let on a strict time scale with large penalties for overruns as in the rail industry.
The railways managed to repair the considerable damage at Dawlish in a matter of weeks, yet on the roads we seem incapable to enlarge a roundabout with underpass in a year. Contracts for this type of work should be let on a strict time scale with large penalties for overruns as in the rail industry. PKH
  • Score: -11

11:28am Sat 17 May 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

I seem to remember when it all started that the signs read "Roadworks until May 2014".
I seem to remember when it all started that the signs read "Roadworks until May 2014". NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: -5

11:52am Sat 17 May 14

Meirion M says...

PKH wrote:
The railways managed to repair the considerable damage at Dawlish in a matter of weeks, yet on the roads we seem incapable to enlarge a roundabout with underpass in a year. Contracts for this type of work should be let on a strict time scale with large penalties for overruns as in the rail industry.
Yes indeed.
All overruns must be punished by the company involved with huge penalties.
Some of these overruns around York are farces, and the company involved are taking the Michael.
As for that pathetic sign "My daddy works here".
Whose daddy? No one works on the Poppleton junction!
[quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: The railways managed to repair the considerable damage at Dawlish in a matter of weeks, yet on the roads we seem incapable to enlarge a roundabout with underpass in a year. Contracts for this type of work should be let on a strict time scale with large penalties for overruns as in the rail industry.[/p][/quote]Yes indeed. All overruns must be punished by the company involved with huge penalties. Some of these overruns around York are farces, and the company involved are taking the Michael. As for that pathetic sign "My daddy works here". Whose daddy? No one works on the Poppleton junction! Meirion M
  • Score: -45

12:14pm Sat 17 May 14

Knavesmire view says...

Considering we had one of the mildest (although wet) winters in living memory there is no excuse for it to overrun 3 months.

It is an absolute nightmare round there and there have been so many disruptions to businesses.

They should have got the junction works done first and then done the actual Park and Ride, not the other way round!
Considering we had one of the mildest (although wet) winters in living memory there is no excuse for it to overrun 3 months. It is an absolute nightmare round there and there have been so many disruptions to businesses. They should have got the junction works done first and then done the actual Park and Ride, not the other way round! Knavesmire view
  • Score: -55

1:19pm Sat 17 May 14

AnotherPointofView says...

JohnSc wrote:
cheesygeek wrote:
these road works are terrible a huge mass of cones and signs with no progress it has to be the slowest road works ever i would love to know how far behind they are and trust me they must be behind time because no one is ever doing anything when your sat in traffic there
Recently the signs changed from Finishing End of May to End of June.

I pass through the junction every day and am annoyed at the "My daddy works here" sign; he's rarely working.

Seriously I'm sure it could have been better organised and the job finished faster. Early on little seemed to happen despite the disruption. Now there are more workers about. Also why couldn't they finish one part of the junction at a time.
As for the "my Daddy works here", someone else recently added on these pages, it should read My Daddy used to work here until he retired some time ago...

...or My Daddy used to work here but now my children do!
[quote][p][bold]JohnSc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cheesygeek[/bold] wrote: these road works are terrible a huge mass of cones and signs with no progress it has to be the slowest road works ever i would love to know how far behind they are and trust me they must be behind time because no one is ever doing anything when your sat in traffic there[/p][/quote]Recently the signs changed from Finishing End of May to End of June. I pass through the junction every day and am annoyed at the "My daddy works here" sign; he's rarely working. Seriously I'm sure it could have been better organised and the job finished faster. Early on little seemed to happen despite the disruption. Now there are more workers about. Also why couldn't they finish one part of the junction at a time.[/p][/quote]As for the "my Daddy works here", someone else recently added on these pages, it should read My Daddy used to work here until he retired some time ago... ...or My Daddy used to work here but now my children do! AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -64

2:04pm Sat 17 May 14

purelobo says...

someone should have a word with the contractors carrying out the work in kings square.you could be forgiven for thinking that the council have told them to drag their heels and keep the road closed.am i the only one thinkind that this is what s happening.
someone should have a word with the contractors carrying out the work in kings square.you could be forgiven for thinking that the council have told them to drag their heels and keep the road closed.am i the only one thinkind that this is what s happening. purelobo
  • Score: -36

2:41pm Sat 17 May 14

PKH says...

The length of time being taken to do the flood defence works near Leeman Rd area is also ridiculous, I'm sure these jobs would be cheaper for the tax/rate payer if these companies got on with them, what with the cost of hired in equipment site huts etc.
The length of time being taken to do the flood defence works near Leeman Rd area is also ridiculous, I'm sure these jobs would be cheaper for the tax/rate payer if these companies got on with them, what with the cost of hired in equipment site huts etc. PKH
  • Score: -39

2:42pm Sat 17 May 14

bolero says...

A brand new retail shopping outlet with associated roadworks built and completed at Monks Cross during the time that work has gone on here. Little progress, a lot of idle expensive machinery and a few `daddies` sauntering around wondering what do we do next? Yes, I commented elsewhere that the signage had reportedly changed to `My daddy used to work here a long time ago but he's been retired a while now`.
A brand new retail shopping outlet with associated roadworks built and completed at Monks Cross during the time that work has gone on here. Little progress, a lot of idle expensive machinery and a few `daddies` sauntering around wondering what do we do next? Yes, I commented elsewhere that the signage had reportedly changed to `My daddy used to work here a long time ago but he's been retired a while now`. bolero
  • Score: -40

2:44pm Sat 17 May 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

If it was a cycle track they were building then...

If it was a cycle track they were building then... [please complete] Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -17

3:57pm Sat 17 May 14

johnwill says...

A total and absolute shambles ! I've never seen such a disorganised project ever, not one part completed, just cones moved from one place to another, someone from the highways should have been kicking butt months ago or should not be in their job. Someone is getting well paid to manage this chaos.
Over a year to do the road alterations and still no end in sight as far as I can see.
A total and absolute shambles ! I've never seen such a disorganised project ever, not one part completed, just cones moved from one place to another, someone from the highways should have been kicking butt months ago or should not be in their job. Someone is getting well paid to manage this chaos. Over a year to do the road alterations and still no end in sight as far as I can see. johnwill
  • Score: -17

4:24pm Sat 17 May 14

Stressed Out says...

So complete by the end of June, thats cutting it a little fine for the TdF which will be racing through there on 6th July!
So complete by the end of June, thats cutting it a little fine for the TdF which will be racing through there on 6th July! Stressed Out
  • Score: 7

4:32pm Sat 17 May 14

inthesticks says...

Signage from the A59 reads road closed overnight - no times or other information. Very badly organised.
One dark early morning I turned onto the A1237 to find a car coming towards me on my coned off bit. It`s not always been easy for drivers to navigate around the seemingly halfheartedly placed cones.
Signage from the A59 reads road closed overnight - no times or other information. Very badly organised. One dark early morning I turned onto the A1237 to find a car coming towards me on my coned off bit. It`s not always been easy for drivers to navigate around the seemingly halfheartedly placed cones. inthesticks
  • Score: -10

7:57pm Sat 17 May 14

bolero says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
If it was a cycle track they were building then...

It does include a cycle track in the form of an underpass. The ground appears to consist mainly of sand, so perhaps this is the problem. Little hope of a bridge for cyclists over the railway on the A1237 if work proceeds at the same rate as at Poppleton.
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: If it was a cycle track they were building then... [please complete][/p][/quote]It does include a cycle track in the form of an underpass. The ground appears to consist mainly of sand, so perhaps this is the problem. Little hope of a bridge for cyclists over the railway on the A1237 if work proceeds at the same rate as at Poppleton. bolero
  • Score: -4

8:09pm Sat 17 May 14

Alf Garnett says...

Another bad-hair day for motorists. One weeps.
Another bad-hair day for motorists. One weeps. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 53

8:46pm Sat 17 May 14

malonemalone says...

the road works are appauling, it is like organised chaos and really messy and just cones all over the place.....just awfu......
the road works are appauling, it is like organised chaos and really messy and just cones all over the place.....just awfu...... malonemalone
  • Score: -31

9:59pm Sat 17 May 14

Budgie says...

The whole work is a farce they could have just made the roundabout smaller to let the park and ride buses get round. I regularly perhaps see one man working and others just watching. My Daddy works here, best joke yet.
The whole work is a farce they could have just made the roundabout smaller to let the park and ride buses get round. I regularly perhaps see one man working and others just watching. My Daddy works here, best joke yet. Budgie
  • Score: -15

11:45pm Sat 17 May 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Has put me off P&R for life. Have only been through a few times and find it all very dangerous most of the time. Never used any of the businesses in that area since they started the work, cant be bothered with the hassle or danger. Bit like getting into York centre really.

Mind you have seen it all before at other P&R sites around the country. Create months of queues, pollution & congestion the hope all will be drawn into the belief that they need to use the P&R when it opens. Some even perpetuate the congestion after completion to try to convince people that things are so bad now they do need to use the P&R. It will be interesting to see how this one works when complete given York councils record on creating congestion in the pursuit of the dream of a car free city.
Has put me off P&R for life. Have only been through a few times and find it all very dangerous most of the time. Never used any of the businesses in that area since they started the work, cant be bothered with the hassle or danger. Bit like getting into York centre really. Mind you have seen it all before at other P&R sites around the country. Create months of queues, pollution & congestion the hope all will be drawn into the belief that they need to use the P&R when it opens. Some even perpetuate the congestion after completion to try to convince people that things are so bad now they do need to use the P&R. It will be interesting to see how this one works when complete given York councils record on creating congestion in the pursuit of the dream of a car free city. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -16

12:21am Sun 18 May 14

york_chap says...

The whole junction is just a confusing sea of cones and looks like a huge mess. I'm surprised there haven't been any serious accidents to be honest, especially considering how many people who use that junction are unfamiliar with the area.

To construct a relatively complex road layout (used by 10's of thousands of vehicles every day) purely from plastic cones may be fair enough for a few weeks, but not for the length of time this has gone on. Back when the A19/A1237 roundabout was upgraded and the Rawcliffe park and ride built, the temporary road layouts were far easier to decipher and were removed much quicker.

Bet there's a sudden increase in productivity in the weeks before the TDF, if it hasn't been completed by then.
The whole junction is just a confusing sea of cones and looks like a huge mess. I'm surprised there haven't been any serious accidents to be honest, especially considering how many people who use that junction are unfamiliar with the area. To construct a relatively complex road layout (used by 10's of thousands of vehicles every day) purely from plastic cones may be fair enough for a few weeks, but not for the length of time this has gone on. Back when the A19/A1237 roundabout was upgraded and the Rawcliffe park and ride built, the temporary road layouts were far easier to decipher and were removed much quicker. Bet there's a sudden increase in productivity in the weeks before the TDF, if it hasn't been completed by then. york_chap
  • Score: -13

2:15am Sun 18 May 14

Magicman! says...

“The A59/A1237 roundabout upgrade and the new Park&Ride site at Poppleton Bar is the largest transport infrastructure investment in York since the outer ring road was built in the 80s.

What about when Rawcliffe Bar was built? that has a pedestrian/cycle underpass just the same as the Poppleton P&R site, and the roundabout itself was made bigger.
[quote]“The A59/A1237 roundabout upgrade and the new Park&Ride site at Poppleton Bar is the largest transport infrastructure investment in York since the outer ring road was built in the 80s. [/quote] What about when Rawcliffe Bar was built? that has a pedestrian/cycle underpass just the same as the Poppleton P&R site, and the roundabout itself was made bigger. Magicman!
  • Score: 0

11:27am Sun 18 May 14

harrygilmore says...

don't panic it'll be ready for the tdf
don't panic it'll be ready for the tdf harrygilmore
  • Score: 3

11:29am Sun 18 May 14

harrygilmore says...

malonemalone wrote:
the road works are appauling, it is like organised chaos and really messy and just cones all over the place.....just awfu......
Bit like your spelling
[quote][p][bold]malonemalone[/bold] wrote: the road works are appauling, it is like organised chaos and really messy and just cones all over the place.....just awfu......[/p][/quote]Bit like your spelling harrygilmore
  • Score: -1

2:56pm Sun 18 May 14

York Manor says...

Agree with the majority of comments here, its so slow its painful, its so dangerous I now go over Clifton Bridge, really surprised there has not been a serious accident workers are a like the Dodo nearly extinct !!!
Did anyone really want this expensive waste of time that will be rarely used, what was wrong with Rawcliffe Bar. As a poster put earlier on here, clifton Bridge is another total joke, its just a terrible eye sore, good advert for the city !! Please do not vote for this council again, let them go back to Billy Smarts !!
Agree with the majority of comments here, its so slow its painful, its so dangerous I now go over Clifton Bridge, really surprised there has not been a serious accident workers are a like the Dodo nearly extinct !!! Did anyone really want this expensive waste of time that will be rarely used, what was wrong with Rawcliffe Bar. As a poster put earlier on here, clifton Bridge is another total joke, its just a terrible eye sore, good advert for the city !! Please do not vote for this council again, let them go back to Billy Smarts !! York Manor
  • Score: -56

7:40pm Sun 18 May 14

andy fowler says...

Yet another council mess up.

Why no comments on Zaman the curry man??????????
Yet another council mess up. Why no comments on Zaman the curry man?????????? andy fowler
  • Score: -47

8:09am Mon 19 May 14

MrsHoney says...

Knavesmire view wrote:
Considering we had one of the mildest (although wet) winters in living memory there is no excuse for it to overrun 3 months.

It is an absolute nightmare round there and there have been so many disruptions to businesses.

They should have got the junction works done first and then done the actual Park and Ride, not the other way round!
My thoughts exactly, I could count on one hand the amount of times I've seen someone actually doing some work there. It was supposed to be all done by the end of the month, what's the excuse for running late? It wasn't even that wet a Winter round here. And there are signs up saying the Park and Ride will be open by the start of Summer which I highly doubt, not much time left.

I bet they've spent most of their time moving the traffic cones into torturous obstacle courses!!
[quote][p][bold]Knavesmire view[/bold] wrote: Considering we had one of the mildest (although wet) winters in living memory there is no excuse for it to overrun 3 months. It is an absolute nightmare round there and there have been so many disruptions to businesses. They should have got the junction works done first and then done the actual Park and Ride, not the other way round![/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly, I could count on one hand the amount of times I've seen someone actually doing some work there. It was supposed to be all done by the end of the month, what's the excuse for running late? It wasn't even that wet a Winter round here. And there are signs up saying the Park and Ride will be open by the start of Summer which I highly doubt, not much time left. I bet they've spent most of their time moving the traffic cones into torturous obstacle courses!! MrsHoney
  • Score: 2

8:51am Mon 19 May 14

uhtred says...

The sign for the works at Askham Bar p&r originally said opening spring 2014, it has now been replaced by a sign saying opening soon. I suppose one day this new sign will be correct, even if we have to wait for that to be so for another few months!
The sign for the works at Askham Bar p&r originally said opening spring 2014, it has now been replaced by a sign saying opening soon. I suppose one day this new sign will be correct, even if we have to wait for that to be so for another few months! uhtred
  • Score: 2

10:41am Mon 19 May 14

pedalling paul says...

Magicman! wrote:
“The A59/A1237 roundabout upgrade and the new Park&Ride site at Poppleton Bar is the largest transport infrastructure investment in York since the outer ring road was built in the 80s.

What about when Rawcliffe Bar was built? that has a pedestrian/cycle underpass just the same as the Poppleton P&R site, and the roundabout itself was made bigger.
The cycle and pedestrian underpass at Rawcliffe Bar was installed and funded by the DfT, as part of an agreement with CoYC when the A1237 was detrunked. That handed responsibility for the A1237 from the DfT to CoYC.

CoYC does not have massive capital reserves to fund infrastructure changes to any of its roads, but some £9m a year is spent on maintenance

Studies have consistently identified the A1237's roundabouts as its pinch points. So COYC have consistently been on the lookout for external funding to increase their capacity. The former Yorkshire & Humber Regional Transport Board (since abolished) had an underspend of its funding allocation from the DfT. So CoYC successfully bid for £2m to make the changes to Rawcliffe Bar.

How much cycling infrastructure could have been funded from that, I wonder?

The A59 P&R is principally being funded by a direct Whitehall grant, with top slicing contributions from York's Whitehall grants to our Local Transport Plan and Local Sustainable Transport Fund.

Such is the complexity of local government finance, which is not a situation of CoYC's making.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote]“The A59/A1237 roundabout upgrade and the new Park&Ride site at Poppleton Bar is the largest transport infrastructure investment in York since the outer ring road was built in the 80s. [/quote] What about when Rawcliffe Bar was built? that has a pedestrian/cycle underpass just the same as the Poppleton P&R site, and the roundabout itself was made bigger.[/p][/quote]The cycle and pedestrian underpass at Rawcliffe Bar was installed and funded by the DfT, as part of an agreement with CoYC when the A1237 was detrunked. That handed responsibility for the A1237 from the DfT to CoYC. CoYC does not have massive capital reserves to fund infrastructure changes to any of its roads, but some £9m a year is spent on maintenance Studies have consistently identified the A1237's roundabouts as its pinch points. So COYC have consistently been on the lookout for external funding to increase their capacity. The former Yorkshire & Humber Regional Transport Board (since abolished) had an underspend of its funding allocation from the DfT. So CoYC successfully bid for £2m to make the changes to Rawcliffe Bar. How much cycling infrastructure could have been funded from that, I wonder? The A59 P&R is principally being funded by a direct Whitehall grant, with top slicing contributions from York's Whitehall grants to our Local Transport Plan and Local Sustainable Transport Fund. Such is the complexity of local government finance, which is not a situation of CoYC's making. pedalling paul
  • Score: 19

1:01pm Mon 19 May 14

bolero says...

Such is the complexity of local government finance and indeed government finance in general. This one thing we do know and which you continually deny to yourself is that all of the finance from wherever it is derived emanates from the long suffering taxpayer.
Such is the complexity of local government finance and indeed government finance in general. This one thing we do know and which you continually deny to yourself is that all of the finance from wherever it is derived emanates from the long suffering taxpayer. bolero
  • Score: -10

1:30pm Mon 19 May 14

Jim says...

York has a cycling infrastructure - it's part of the same transport infrastructure that's used by motorised traffic, THE ROADS.
York has a cycling infrastructure - it's part of the same transport infrastructure that's used by motorised traffic, THE ROADS. Jim
  • Score: 5

8:33am Tue 20 May 14

andy fowler says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Magicman! wrote:
“The A59/A1237 roundabout upgrade and the new Park&Ride site at Poppleton Bar is the largest transport infrastructure investment in York since the outer ring road was built in the 80s.

What about when Rawcliffe Bar was built? that has a pedestrian/cycle underpass just the same as the Poppleton P&R site, and the roundabout itself was made bigger.
The cycle and pedestrian underpass at Rawcliffe Bar was installed and funded by the DfT, as part of an agreement with CoYC when the A1237 was detrunked. That handed responsibility for the A1237 from the DfT to CoYC.

CoYC does not have massive capital reserves to fund infrastructure changes to any of its roads, but some £9m a year is spent on maintenance

Studies have consistently identified the A1237's roundabouts as its pinch points. So COYC have consistently been on the lookout for external funding to increase their capacity. The former Yorkshire & Humber Regional Transport Board (since abolished) had an underspend of its funding allocation from the DfT. So CoYC successfully bid for £2m to make the changes to Rawcliffe Bar.

How much cycling infrastructure could have been funded from that, I wonder?

The A59 P&R is principally being funded by a direct Whitehall grant, with top slicing contributions from York's Whitehall grants to our Local Transport Plan and Local Sustainable Transport Fund.

Such is the complexity of local government finance, which is not a situation of CoYC's making.
Nothing ever is according to you.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote]“The A59/A1237 roundabout upgrade and the new Park&Ride site at Poppleton Bar is the largest transport infrastructure investment in York since the outer ring road was built in the 80s. [/quote] What about when Rawcliffe Bar was built? that has a pedestrian/cycle underpass just the same as the Poppleton P&R site, and the roundabout itself was made bigger.[/p][/quote]The cycle and pedestrian underpass at Rawcliffe Bar was installed and funded by the DfT, as part of an agreement with CoYC when the A1237 was detrunked. That handed responsibility for the A1237 from the DfT to CoYC. CoYC does not have massive capital reserves to fund infrastructure changes to any of its roads, but some £9m a year is spent on maintenance Studies have consistently identified the A1237's roundabouts as its pinch points. So COYC have consistently been on the lookout for external funding to increase their capacity. The former Yorkshire & Humber Regional Transport Board (since abolished) had an underspend of its funding allocation from the DfT. So CoYC successfully bid for £2m to make the changes to Rawcliffe Bar. How much cycling infrastructure could have been funded from that, I wonder? The A59 P&R is principally being funded by a direct Whitehall grant, with top slicing contributions from York's Whitehall grants to our Local Transport Plan and Local Sustainable Transport Fund. Such is the complexity of local government finance, which is not a situation of CoYC's making.[/p][/quote]Nothing ever is according to you. andy fowler
  • Score: -30

5:55pm Wed 21 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Central funding is an amalgamation of local funds being sent to the govt treasury. So City Of York tax payers do contribute to all such national schemes in varying degrees; and the local authority/council has an obligation to be cost effective and cost efficient. Supervising this job needs an efficiency and investment appraisal officer; but the council do not have any one covering these important issues..

Shovels are often heavy and cannot be lifted for periods exceeding egg-timing. In fairness the often sighting of three men each holding a shovel could be that they are looking for instructions on how to use them!"

NYCC have better, but not perfect, road alterations workpeople.

The A59 businesses should collectively have a dialogue with the council.

The book on Prince Charles/Diana's wedding was available after 6hours!
Central funding is an amalgamation of local funds being sent to the govt treasury. So City Of York tax payers do contribute to all such national schemes in varying degrees; and the local authority/council has an obligation to be cost effective and cost efficient. Supervising this job needs an efficiency and investment appraisal officer; but the council do not have any one covering these important issues.. Shovels are often heavy and cannot be lifted for periods exceeding egg-timing. In fairness the often sighting of three men each holding a shovel could be that they are looking for instructions on how to use them!" NYCC have better, but not perfect, road alterations workpeople. The A59 businesses should collectively have a dialogue with the council. The book on Prince Charles/Diana's wedding was available after 6hours! Cheeky face
  • Score: 3

6:13pm Sat 24 May 14

CaroleBaines says...

Agree with comments on here. Am not usually one to moan about such things, work needs to be done, but it is borderline dangerous which is very unusual in this health and safety conscious age.
Agree with comments on here. Am not usually one to moan about such things, work needs to be done, but it is borderline dangerous which is very unusual in this health and safety conscious age. CaroleBaines
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