Cyclist films drivers behaving badly on York roads

York Press: Cyclist captures drivers behaving badly on York roads Cyclist captures drivers behaving badly on York roads

A CYCLIST who filmed bad behaviour by fellow pedallers and posted the footage on YouTube has now produced a new video exposing poor driving.

The three-minute film, created over a three-month period with a camera on his helmet, shows York motorists parking illegally, blocking cycle lanes, speeding, jumping red traffic lights and failing to indicate.

There are also clips of drivers passing cyclists too fast and too close, driving whilst on their mobile phone or eating, and pulling out in front of the cyclist.

The man, who has again posted the film on Youtube but does not wish to be identified, says he wants road users to ask themselves: “Is the additional risk I am taking worth it?”

"My second aim is to shame those road users who think it is OK to put others at risk," he said.

"Drivers who choose to drive with a cup, food or phone in their hand are a danger to all other road users and should rightly be embarrassed by their selfishness. Drivers who pass too closely are in breach of Rule 163 of the Highway Code."

He said that parking in a cycle lane might seem a minor offence at the time but could have serious consequences.

Referring to a section of the video in which he can be seen 'squeezed' between an illegally parked car and an overtaking coach that is far too close to him, he said: "At that point, I was scared. The camera has a wide angle lens and doesn’t really convey just how small that gap was."

The cyclist's previous film showed cyclists taking risks including jumping red traffic lights, cycling on the pavement, cycling down one way streets the wrong way and using mobile phones whilst cycling.

The most startling images involved a man who removed his jacket while cycling along Holgate Road and then tumbled to the ground, with the bike on top of him.

The cyclist said he had been cycling in York for 30 years and had become increasingly concerned about the reckless behaviour of some cyclists.

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2:59pm Wed 7 May 14

mitch2nd says...

Yes lots of bad drivers in York I also see them jumping red lights and just hope they crash when I see them do this, people on phones also, the ones I see have kids in the car also, great parents.

The only one problem with the film is that it does show a roundabout and the car has the right of way but the filming cyclist ignores that himself and pulls out in front of him, so who bad now??
Yes lots of bad drivers in York I also see them jumping red lights and just hope they crash when I see them do this, people on phones also, the ones I see have kids in the car also, great parents. The only one problem with the film is that it does show a roundabout and the car has the right of way but the filming cyclist ignores that himself and pulls out in front of him, so who bad now?? mitch2nd
  • Score: 60

3:06pm Wed 7 May 14

Mr. Marcus says...

Well, "cyclist", who ever you are, try and peddle down Davygate in the correct way.
Most cyclists peddle from Parliament Street to St. Helen's Square. This is a one way street, but they choose the wrong way deliberately. No police to control those idiot cyclists. No traffic wardens either.
Well, "cyclist", who ever you are, try and peddle down Davygate in the correct way. Most cyclists peddle from Parliament Street to St. Helen's Square. This is a one way street, but they choose the wrong way deliberately. No police to control those idiot cyclists. No traffic wardens either. Mr. Marcus
  • Score: -26

3:09pm Wed 7 May 14

conorm11 says...

Yeah as someone who cycled to school everyday non of this surprises me, York drivers, especially those in the centre of town, don't care about cyclists' safety one bit. I've nearly been hit by cars, vans and buses numerous times around Blossom Street, Micklegate and the horrendous junction before Ouse Bridge.

To be fair though, many cyclists and pedestrians are no better.
Yeah as someone who cycled to school everyday non of this surprises me, York drivers, especially those in the centre of town, don't care about cyclists' safety one bit. I've nearly been hit by cars, vans and buses numerous times around Blossom Street, Micklegate and the horrendous junction before Ouse Bridge. To be fair though, many cyclists and pedestrians are no better. conorm11
  • Score: 58

3:16pm Wed 7 May 14

Exiled1 says...

Stop being so hysterical. Stop cycling on the footpath. And consider getting a life.
Stop being so hysterical. Stop cycling on the footpath. And consider getting a life. Exiled1
  • Score: -45

3:37pm Wed 7 May 14

bolero says...

This video has convinced me and persuaded me to stick to my car. Far too dangerous to cycle in York. And don't think for one moment that this exonerates the wayward cyclists who break just about every rule in the book each time they are on the road. I will continue to have respect for cyclists as I have for all road users but i do try to observe the rules of the road and at the same time make allowance for those who don't.
This video has convinced me and persuaded me to stick to my car. Far too dangerous to cycle in York. And don't think for one moment that this exonerates the wayward cyclists who break just about every rule in the book each time they are on the road. I will continue to have respect for cyclists as I have for all road users but i do try to observe the rules of the road and at the same time make allowance for those who don't. bolero
  • Score: 38

3:40pm Wed 7 May 14

Fat Harry says...

Exiled1 wrote:
Stop being so hysterical. Stop cycling on the footpath. And consider getting a life.
I'd love to cycle on the footpath, but it's always blocked by parked cars.
[quote][p][bold]Exiled1[/bold] wrote: Stop being so hysterical. Stop cycling on the footpath. And consider getting a life.[/p][/quote]I'd love to cycle on the footpath, but it's always blocked by parked cars. Fat Harry
  • Score: 42

3:41pm Wed 7 May 14

MarkyMarkMark says...

mitch2nd wrote:
Yes lots of bad drivers in York I also see them jumping red lights and just hope they crash when I see them do this, people on phones also, the ones I see have kids in the car also, great parents.

The only one problem with the film is that it does show a roundabout and the car has the right of way but the filming cyclist ignores that himself and pulls out in front of him, so who bad now??
Think the point is the motorist didn't indicate before turning right driving across the top of the painted-on-road roundabout. You could hear the cyclist saying "yeah, but you still need to indicate".

It wouldn't have been unreasonable to expect the car to be going basically straight up the road - and if I'd been (protected) in another car I probably would have.

As a cyclist (without a helmet camera!), I've learned not to expect drivers to use indicators, and rely mainly on judging their road positioning ans speed to anticipate what I think they're going to do next. And then be prepared for something else!

Also:
It's not uncommon to find cars & vans stopped & parked illegally in no parking areas (inc those with "no loading" marks on the kerbs) whilst delivering to shops. The issue isn't just that they're blocking the cycle lane - it's a dotted line and motorised vehicles are allowed in them - it's that they've stopped with no regard for *any* other road users, and cause and obstruction (esp near new Sainsbury Local on Ousegate - not all Sainsbury deliveries, either!)

And those scarily close passes (lorries at any speed, and cars too fast, buses tend to be better....) are exactly why I prefer to cycle on the dedicated cycle route where possible - but many of us aren't so fortunate as to be able to.

Good film, and just maybe it'll make one driver somewhere consider their actions a little bit - in which case it'll have been worth all the effort and grumbling it'll inevitably cause.
[quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Yes lots of bad drivers in York I also see them jumping red lights and just hope they crash when I see them do this, people on phones also, the ones I see have kids in the car also, great parents. The only one problem with the film is that it does show a roundabout and the car has the right of way but the filming cyclist ignores that himself and pulls out in front of him, so who bad now??[/p][/quote]Think the point is the motorist didn't indicate before turning right driving across the top of the painted-on-road roundabout. You could hear the cyclist saying "yeah, but you still need to indicate". It wouldn't have been unreasonable to expect the car to be going basically straight up the road - and if I'd been (protected) in another car I probably would have. As a cyclist (without a helmet camera!), I've learned not to expect drivers to use indicators, and rely mainly on judging their road positioning ans speed to anticipate what I think they're going to do next. And then be prepared for something else! Also: It's not uncommon to find cars & vans stopped & parked illegally in no parking areas (inc those with "no loading" marks on the kerbs) whilst delivering to shops. The issue isn't just that they're blocking the cycle lane - it's a dotted line and motorised vehicles are allowed in them - it's that they've stopped with no regard for *any* other road users, and cause and obstruction (esp near new Sainsbury Local on Ousegate - not all Sainsbury deliveries, either!) And those scarily close passes (lorries at any speed, and cars too fast, buses tend to be better....) are exactly why I prefer to cycle on the dedicated cycle route where possible - but many of us aren't so fortunate as to be able to. Good film, and just maybe it'll make one driver somewhere consider their actions a little bit - in which case it'll have been worth all the effort and grumbling it'll inevitably cause. MarkyMarkMark
  • Score: 59

4:07pm Wed 7 May 14

Old_Man says...

Well done to the film maker.
Well done to the film maker. Old_Man
  • Score: 26

4:10pm Wed 7 May 14

Bailed Out says...

Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE. Bailed Out
  • Score: -123

4:12pm Wed 7 May 14

Justin7 says...

I like his horn,

"OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOiiii
iiiiiiiiiii!"

Someone's going to end up decking him, I'm fearing. :-(
I like his horn, "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOiiii iiiiiiiiiii!" Someone's going to end up decking him, I'm fearing. :-( Justin7
  • Score: 20

4:13pm Wed 7 May 14

Can't all be wrong says...

Not sure cyclists fully understand that when using the roads you become a member of the worlds largest team event. With everyone relying on everyone else doing the right thing at the right time. In reality of course that just doesn't happen, motorists have to take avoiding action, have to slow down when confronted by a problem, and in general accept a certain amount of give and take.
Can that be said of the bulk of cyclists who use our roads? The video seems to suggest that this cyclists has some sort of priority status over other road users. It's that kind of approach that gets people killed or injured, you also sir have a duty of care when using the roads, not just the folks in vehicles!
Not sure cyclists fully understand that when using the roads you become a member of the worlds largest team event. With everyone relying on everyone else doing the right thing at the right time. In reality of course that just doesn't happen, motorists have to take avoiding action, have to slow down when confronted by a problem, and in general accept a certain amount of give and take. Can that be said of the bulk of cyclists who use our roads? The video seems to suggest that this cyclists has some sort of priority status over other road users. It's that kind of approach that gets people killed or injured, you also sir have a duty of care when using the roads, not just the folks in vehicles! Can't all be wrong
  • Score: 24

4:14pm Wed 7 May 14

adam reith says...

mitch2nd wrote:
Yes lots of bad drivers in York I also see them jumping red lights and just hope they crash when I see them do this, people on phones also, the ones I see have kids in the car also, great parents.

The only one problem with the film is that it does show a roundabout and the car has the right of way but the filming cyclist ignores that himself and pulls out in front of him, so who bad now??
but he driver should have indicated he was turning right rather than going straight on...
[quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Yes lots of bad drivers in York I also see them jumping red lights and just hope they crash when I see them do this, people on phones also, the ones I see have kids in the car also, great parents. The only one problem with the film is that it does show a roundabout and the car has the right of way but the filming cyclist ignores that himself and pulls out in front of him, so who bad now??[/p][/quote]but he driver should have indicated he was turning right rather than going straight on... adam reith
  • Score: 36

4:37pm Wed 7 May 14

Sambo1987 says...

This man has way to much time on his hands does he think he's going to get brownie points for doing this very very sad if you ask me get a life !!! He was riding his bike on the path anyways !!!
This man has way to much time on his hands does he think he's going to get brownie points for doing this very very sad if you ask me get a life !!! He was riding his bike on the path anyways !!! Sambo1987
  • Score: -27

4:47pm Wed 7 May 14

Eborwatch says...

Here are some classic examples of dangerous, reckless and careless driving and cycling - let's face it we have all seen or experienced similar. How about some plain simple old fashioned enforcement. Fixed penalty notices and, in more serious cases, court proceedings. Come on ....
Here are some classic examples of dangerous, reckless and careless driving and cycling - let's face it we have all seen or experienced similar. How about some plain simple old fashioned enforcement. Fixed penalty notices and, in more serious cases, court proceedings. Come on .... Eborwatch
  • Score: 37

5:03pm Wed 7 May 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

The little GoPro camera he has used are appearing everywhere these days, especially filming adrenaline boost sports. I was passed on the double bend at the bottom of Garrowby Hill on the A166 by a speeding motorcyclist wearing one of these cameras on his helmet. He crossed a double white line to pass me doing 70 mph. He was obviously in an excited rush and filming his crazy exploits as he raced towards York doing in excess of 100 mph at times. In my opinion the camera was spurring him to take road risks in order to produce a more exciting film for YouTube kudos.

I suggest that there may be some temptation for the GoPro cyclist here to take a few "risks" over the next few months trying to get the "money shots" that'll appear in "York Drivers Behaving Badly-Part Two". We'll see.
The little GoPro camera he has used are appearing everywhere these days, especially filming adrenaline boost sports. I was passed on the double bend at the bottom of Garrowby Hill on the A166 by a speeding motorcyclist wearing one of these cameras on his helmet. He crossed a double white line to pass me doing 70 mph. He was obviously in an excited rush and filming his crazy exploits as he raced towards York doing in excess of 100 mph at times. In my opinion the camera was spurring him to take road risks in order to produce a more exciting film for YouTube kudos. I suggest that there may be some temptation for the GoPro cyclist here to take a few "risks" over the next few months trying to get the "money shots" that'll appear in "York Drivers Behaving Badly-Part Two". We'll see. Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: 11

5:27pm Wed 7 May 14

Dr Brian says...

Yes Motorists behave badly and cyclists never do? - why has the press even given this a mention - obviously they have nothing better to print!
Yes Motorists behave badly and cyclists never do? - why has the press even given this a mention - obviously they have nothing better to print! Dr Brian
  • Score: -31

5:42pm Wed 7 May 14

hoekstra says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
You don't pay 'road tax' you pay CAR TAX due to the emissions your vehicle creates. Bicycles create zero emissions therefore no tax. Many cyclists also have insurance....
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]You don't pay 'road tax' you pay CAR TAX due to the emissions your vehicle creates. Bicycles create zero emissions therefore no tax. Many cyclists also have insurance.... hoekstra
  • Score: 58

5:46pm Wed 7 May 14

swh1963 says...

Dr Brian wrote:
Yes Motorists behave badly and cyclists never do? - why has the press even given this a mention - obviously they have nothing better to print!
Obviously you haven't read the first line of the report, or followed the embedded link in it
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: Yes Motorists behave badly and cyclists never do? - why has the press even given this a mention - obviously they have nothing better to print![/p][/quote]Obviously you haven't read the first line of the report, or followed the embedded link in it swh1963
  • Score: 35

5:47pm Wed 7 May 14

swh1963 says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
Shouty capitals generally indicate a person hasn't got a coherent point to make and this is no exception.
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]Shouty capitals generally indicate a person hasn't got a coherent point to make and this is no exception. swh1963
  • Score: 37

5:48pm Wed 7 May 14

swh1963 says...

Sambo1987 wrote:
This man has way to much time on his hands does he think he's going to get brownie points for doing this very very sad if you ask me get a life !!! He was riding his bike on the path anyways !!!
It was a cycle path.
[quote][p][bold]Sambo1987[/bold] wrote: This man has way to much time on his hands does he think he's going to get brownie points for doing this very very sad if you ask me get a life !!! He was riding his bike on the path anyways !!![/p][/quote]It was a cycle path. swh1963
  • Score: 46

5:48pm Wed 7 May 14

yawn.. says...

Waiting restrictions
Waiting restrictions indicated by yellow lines apply to the carriageway, pavement and verge. You
may stop to load or unload (unless there are also loading restrictions as described below) or while
passengers board or alight. Double yellow lines mean no waiting at any time, unless there are signs
that specifically indicate seasonal restrictions. The times at which the restrictions apply for other road
markings are shown on nearby plates or on entry signs to controlled parking zones. If no days are
shown on the signs, the restrictions are in force every day including Sundays and Bank Holidays.
White bay markings and upright signs (see below) indicate where parking is allowed.
http://www.direct.go
v.uk
Waiting restrictions Waiting restrictions indicated by yellow lines apply to the carriageway, pavement and verge. You may stop to load or unload (unless there are also loading restrictions as described below) or while passengers board or alight. Double yellow lines mean no waiting at any time, unless there are signs that specifically indicate seasonal restrictions. The times at which the restrictions apply for other road markings are shown on nearby plates or on entry signs to controlled parking zones. If no days are shown on the signs, the restrictions are in force every day including Sundays and Bank Holidays. White bay markings and upright signs (see below) indicate where parking is allowed. http://www.direct.go v.uk yawn..
  • Score: 0

5:51pm Wed 7 May 14

anth!! says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
Is'nt road tax linked to the amount of exhaust emissions you're vehicle gives out, so how can cyclists be asked to pay for road tax ?
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]Is'nt road tax linked to the amount of exhaust emissions you're vehicle gives out, so how can cyclists be asked to pay for road tax ? anth!!
  • Score: 51

6:03pm Wed 7 May 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

3 months to get 3 minutes of film.

A bit like war reporting, vast amounts of time where nothing happens then a few minutes of edited compressed action.
3 months to get 3 minutes of film. A bit like war reporting, vast amounts of time where nothing happens then a few minutes of edited compressed action. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -25

6:10pm Wed 7 May 14

move with the times! says...

Exiled1 wrote:
Stop being so hysterical. Stop cycling on the footpath. And consider getting a life.
What a ridiculous comment - if you had a collision with a bike, I think you would be hysterical regardless of whose fault it was! I cycle and drive in York and it never ceases to amaze me the stupid mistakes that both cyclists and motorists make, through their own choice or lack of thought/patience. I don't portray myself to being the perfect motorist or cyclist because I'm probably not, but since cycling to and from work on a regular basis, I have become more aware of cyclists. Unfortunately, everyone seems in too much of a rush to get to their destination to consider other road users. Cyclists - stop jumping red lights, cycling on pavements and going the wrong way down one way streets. Motorists - you have pair of eyes, so use them and look out for cyclists!
[quote][p][bold]Exiled1[/bold] wrote: Stop being so hysterical. Stop cycling on the footpath. And consider getting a life.[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous comment - if you had a collision with a bike, I think you would be hysterical regardless of whose fault it was! I cycle and drive in York and it never ceases to amaze me the stupid mistakes that both cyclists and motorists make, through their own choice or lack of thought/patience. I don't portray myself to being the perfect motorist or cyclist because I'm probably not, but since cycling to and from work on a regular basis, I have become more aware of cyclists. Unfortunately, everyone seems in too much of a rush to get to their destination to consider other road users. Cyclists - stop jumping red lights, cycling on pavements and going the wrong way down one way streets. Motorists - you have pair of eyes, so use them and look out for cyclists! move with the times!
  • Score: 37

6:14pm Wed 7 May 14

spottycow says...

EVERYONE IS AS BAD AS EACH OTHER BLOODY CYCLISTS
EVERYONE IS AS BAD AS EACH OTHER BLOODY CYCLISTS spottycow
  • Score: -39

6:34pm Wed 7 May 14

pedalling paul says...

OK so let's settle the taxation issue for the umpteenth time. So-called Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty..a levy on something popular ie car ownership to raise income for HM Government. The income from VED is not ring fenced for roads. A mix of that plus all other national taxes helps the DfT to fund Motorways and strategic trunk roads. We have one of the latter which is the A64 bypass. Every other road in York is Council Tax funded.

Personal liability/third party insurance is obtained by cyclists who choose to become members of CTC or British Cycling. Legal Aid is also a membership benefit, where a collision is someone else's fault.
Many of the cyclists that you see around York are car users as well, who have sensibly opted for two wheels for some local journeys.

No-one has yet suggested that pedestrians should have insurance, but given the numbers who step off kerbs right in front of me with eyes glued to mobile phones, that day should perhaps come.

And on to the video. Not an offence to park on an advisory cycle lane ie one with dotted markings. But when a cyclist needs to deviate past one, give a right shoulder warning look first then pass an open doors width away.

Trying to beat cyclists to pinch points featured in some clips. Road narrowings caused by parked vehicles, pedestrian refuges etc should not be seen as a challenge. If a cyclist is in front of you in that situation, let them get through the narrowin,g before overtaking if it is now safe to. Personally at pinch points, I always move from the secondary to primary position to physically deter overtakers, again preceded by that warning look over the right shoulder. No hand signals.....reserve those for turning off at junctions.

Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined.

Don't get me wrong. The majority of road users show respect and courtesy towards each other. I experience a great deal of this and offer it in return. I let a Park & Ride bus out in front of me on Museum St recently. Thumbs up from the bus driver but a window down and a "effing t**t" from a single occupancy car driver behind me. But which of us was using road capacity most efficiently?

To complete the sequence, we need this guy to film some pedestrian antics.
OK so let's settle the taxation issue for the umpteenth time. So-called Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty..a levy on something popular ie car ownership to raise income for HM Government. The income from VED is not ring fenced for roads. A mix of that plus all other national taxes helps the DfT to fund Motorways and strategic trunk roads. We have one of the latter which is the A64 bypass. Every other road in York is Council Tax funded. Personal liability/third party insurance is obtained by cyclists who choose to become members of CTC or British Cycling. Legal Aid is also a membership benefit, where a collision is someone else's fault. Many of the cyclists that you see around York are car users as well, who have sensibly opted for two wheels for some local journeys. No-one has yet suggested that pedestrians should have insurance, but given the numbers who step off kerbs right in front of me with eyes glued to mobile phones, that day should perhaps come. And on to the video. Not an offence to park on an advisory cycle lane ie one with dotted markings. But when a cyclist needs to deviate past one, give a right shoulder warning look first then pass an open doors width away. Trying to beat cyclists to pinch points featured in some clips. Road narrowings caused by parked vehicles, pedestrian refuges etc should not be seen as a challenge. If a cyclist is in front of you in that situation, let them get through the narrowin,g before overtaking if it is now safe to. Personally at pinch points, I always move from the secondary to primary position to physically deter overtakers, again preceded by that warning look over the right shoulder. No hand signals.....reserve those for turning off at junctions. Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined. Don't get me wrong. The majority of road users show respect and courtesy towards each other. I experience a great deal of this and offer it in return. I let a Park & Ride bus out in front of me on Museum St recently. Thumbs up from the bus driver but a window down and a "effing t**t" from a single occupancy car driver behind me. But which of us was using road capacity most efficiently? To complete the sequence, we need this guy to film some pedestrian antics. pedalling paul
  • Score: -130

6:37pm Wed 7 May 14

mightymag says...

Well I am a cyclist and a car driver but the behaviour of one cyclist appalled me.

Leaving the Knavesmire to turn right back up the mount, it is particularly bad visibility being on the bend, I went to pull out and a car came flying around the corner, probably speeding to be fair but rather than continue with my manoeuvre I stopped but the nose of my car was admittedly in the cycle lane, i could not back up as the car behind me was too close and more behind him so nowhere to go, more cars came and a cyclist took great exception at the nose of my car being in the cycle lane - started banging on the bonnet of my car and shouting expletives and insults at me!!! No cars coming from the right so he could have gone around me easily, just cars from the left so I could not pull out.

I might add he was in full Royal Mail attire at the time but really upsetting.

It was not a disregard for a cycle path, I use them regularly myself - just one of those things! So maybe some cyclists need to get off their high frames and get some common sense at times too
Well I am a cyclist and a car driver but the behaviour of one cyclist appalled me. Leaving the Knavesmire to turn right back up the mount, it is particularly bad visibility being on the bend, I went to pull out and a car came flying around the corner, probably speeding to be fair but rather than continue with my manoeuvre I stopped but the nose of my car was admittedly in the cycle lane, i could not back up as the car behind me was too close and more behind him so nowhere to go, more cars came and a cyclist took great exception at the nose of my car being in the cycle lane - started banging on the bonnet of my car and shouting expletives and insults at me!!! No cars coming from the right so he could have gone around me easily, just cars from the left so I could not pull out. I might add he was in full Royal Mail attire at the time but really upsetting. It was not a disregard for a cycle path, I use them regularly myself - just one of those things! So maybe some cyclists need to get off their high frames and get some common sense at times too mightymag
  • Score: 13

6:39pm Wed 7 May 14

Alf Garnett says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
So paying these gives you a licence to behave badly ?
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]So paying these gives you a licence to behave badly ? Alf Garnett
  • Score: 62

6:47pm Wed 7 May 14

roadwarrior420BLAZE_IT says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
Ahahah you complete moron. You don't pay 'Road Tax', you pay vehicle excise duty, because your vehicle is harmful to the environment among other things.

Also, how do you know he doesn't also own a car and choose to cycle his commute?
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]Ahahah you complete moron. You don't pay 'Road Tax', you pay vehicle excise duty, because your vehicle is harmful to the environment among other things. Also, how do you know he doesn't also own a car and choose to cycle his commute? roadwarrior420BLAZE_IT
  • Score: 26

6:49pm Wed 7 May 14

bolero says...

You've given yourself a decent score there PP.
You've given yourself a decent score there PP. bolero
  • Score: 12

7:17pm Wed 7 May 14

ouseswimmer says...

I've always found steel tipped shoes work very well on car exteriors when they cut me up. You would be surprised how they suddenly see you!
I've always found steel tipped shoes work very well on car exteriors when they cut me up. You would be surprised how they suddenly see you! ouseswimmer
  • Score: 29

7:23pm Wed 7 May 14

Batman Begins says...

pedalling paul wrote:
OK so let's settle the taxation issue for the umpteenth time. So-called Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty..a levy on something popular ie car ownership to raise income for HM Government. The income from VED is not ring fenced for roads. A mix of that plus all other national taxes helps the DfT to fund Motorways and strategic trunk roads. We have one of the latter which is the A64 bypass. Every other road in York is Council Tax funded.

Personal liability/third party insurance is obtained by cyclists who choose to become members of CTC or British Cycling. Legal Aid is also a membership benefit, where a collision is someone else's fault.
Many of the cyclists that you see around York are car users as well, who have sensibly opted for two wheels for some local journeys.

No-one has yet suggested that pedestrians should have insurance, but given the numbers who step off kerbs right in front of me with eyes glued to mobile phones, that day should perhaps come.

And on to the video. Not an offence to park on an advisory cycle lane ie one with dotted markings. But when a cyclist needs to deviate past one, give a right shoulder warning look first then pass an open doors width away.

Trying to beat cyclists to pinch points featured in some clips. Road narrowings caused by parked vehicles, pedestrian refuges etc should not be seen as a challenge. If a cyclist is in front of you in that situation, let them get through the narrowin,g before overtaking if it is now safe to. Personally at pinch points, I always move from the secondary to primary position to physically deter overtakers, again preceded by that warning look over the right shoulder. No hand signals.....reserve those for turning off at junctions.

Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined.

Don't get me wrong. The majority of road users show respect and courtesy towards each other. I experience a great deal of this and offer it in return. I let a Park & Ride bus out in front of me on Museum St recently. Thumbs up from the bus driver but a window down and a "effing t**t" from a single occupancy car driver behind me. But which of us was using road capacity most efficiently?

To complete the sequence, we need this guy to film some pedestrian antics.
Paul,
To decide who is using the road most efficiently, you really need to know the purpose of an individual's journey.
As an example, when I have to move large, or heavy objects, say the weeks groceries for the few old people who live close to me, as I sometimes do.
I can fit it all inside my car provided I didn't have any passengers. It would not be "efficient" or possible to carry it all on the bus, nor "efficient" , possible or legal to carry it whilst cycling.
Sadly, Paul life for many is not as simple as you seem to be!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: OK so let's settle the taxation issue for the umpteenth time. So-called Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty..a levy on something popular ie car ownership to raise income for HM Government. The income from VED is not ring fenced for roads. A mix of that plus all other national taxes helps the DfT to fund Motorways and strategic trunk roads. We have one of the latter which is the A64 bypass. Every other road in York is Council Tax funded. Personal liability/third party insurance is obtained by cyclists who choose to become members of CTC or British Cycling. Legal Aid is also a membership benefit, where a collision is someone else's fault. Many of the cyclists that you see around York are car users as well, who have sensibly opted for two wheels for some local journeys. No-one has yet suggested that pedestrians should have insurance, but given the numbers who step off kerbs right in front of me with eyes glued to mobile phones, that day should perhaps come. And on to the video. Not an offence to park on an advisory cycle lane ie one with dotted markings. But when a cyclist needs to deviate past one, give a right shoulder warning look first then pass an open doors width away. Trying to beat cyclists to pinch points featured in some clips. Road narrowings caused by parked vehicles, pedestrian refuges etc should not be seen as a challenge. If a cyclist is in front of you in that situation, let them get through the narrowin,g before overtaking if it is now safe to. Personally at pinch points, I always move from the secondary to primary position to physically deter overtakers, again preceded by that warning look over the right shoulder. No hand signals.....reserve those for turning off at junctions. Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined. Don't get me wrong. The majority of road users show respect and courtesy towards each other. I experience a great deal of this and offer it in return. I let a Park & Ride bus out in front of me on Museum St recently. Thumbs up from the bus driver but a window down and a "effing t**t" from a single occupancy car driver behind me. But which of us was using road capacity most efficiently? To complete the sequence, we need this guy to film some pedestrian antics.[/p][/quote]Paul, To decide who is using the road most efficiently, you really need to know the purpose of an individual's journey. As an example, when I have to move large, or heavy objects, say the weeks groceries for the few old people who live close to me, as I sometimes do. I can fit it all inside my car provided I didn't have any passengers. It would not be "efficient" or possible to carry it all on the bus, nor "efficient" , possible or legal to carry it whilst cycling. Sadly, Paul life for many is not as simple as you seem to be! Batman Begins
  • Score: -31

7:24pm Wed 7 May 14

DaveBruebeck says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
The little GoPro camera he has used are appearing everywhere these days, especially filming adrenaline boost sports. I was passed on the double bend at the bottom of Garrowby Hill on the A166 by a speeding motorcyclist wearing one of these cameras on his helmet. He crossed a double white line to pass me doing 70 mph. He was obviously in an excited rush and filming his crazy exploits as he raced towards York doing in excess of 100 mph at times. In my opinion the camera was spurring him to take road risks in order to produce a more exciting film for YouTube kudos.

I suggest that there may be some temptation for the GoPro cyclist here to take a few "risks" over the next few months trying to get the "money shots" that'll appear in "York Drivers Behaving Badly-Part Two". We'll see.
Is your car VASCAR equipped?
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: The little GoPro camera he has used are appearing everywhere these days, especially filming adrenaline boost sports. I was passed on the double bend at the bottom of Garrowby Hill on the A166 by a speeding motorcyclist wearing one of these cameras on his helmet. He crossed a double white line to pass me doing 70 mph. He was obviously in an excited rush and filming his crazy exploits as he raced towards York doing in excess of 100 mph at times. In my opinion the camera was spurring him to take road risks in order to produce a more exciting film for YouTube kudos. I suggest that there may be some temptation for the GoPro cyclist here to take a few "risks" over the next few months trying to get the "money shots" that'll appear in "York Drivers Behaving Badly-Part Two". We'll see.[/p][/quote]Is your car VASCAR equipped? DaveBruebeck
  • Score: 14

7:35pm Wed 7 May 14

joelwithatleast6characters says...

Come The Press, I can't be angry at EVERYONE!
Wasn't I supposed to be furious about the council taking pictures of us parking badly a couple of days ago?
Perhaps if the council employed a cyclist to prowl the streets protecting the innocent and exposing driving injustice we could all just get along?
Come The Press, I can't be angry at EVERYONE! Wasn't I supposed to be furious about the council taking pictures of us parking badly a couple of days ago? Perhaps if the council employed a cyclist to prowl the streets protecting the innocent and exposing driving injustice we could all just get along? joelwithatleast6characters
  • Score: 4

7:37pm Wed 7 May 14

Brabus says...

And in next weeks installment said cyclist is heard yelping with pain as Go-Pro camera is retrieved from a bodily cavity in A&E
And in next weeks installment said cyclist is heard yelping with pain as Go-Pro camera is retrieved from a bodily cavity in A&E Brabus
  • Score: -15

7:41pm Wed 7 May 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Well I'm not going to waste energy embroiling myself in the pointless tit for tat cyclists/motorists do this/that/the other/road tax/blah blah blah.

But I will say that this video is tame. I see far worse from drivers every single day. Far worse. Some accidental, some deliberate.

Most importantly I'll say this (and it relates to the word "deliberate" above) - If this bloke's videos have done nothing else they have flagged up the rampant anti-cyclist hate and prejudice pervading our society, demonising and endangering ordinary human beings, mums, dads, sons and daughters.

When his badly behaving cyclists video went up on YorkMix it attracted dozens of outraged comments.
When his bad driver video goes up on YorkMix? One comment.

When the bad cyclists story made it over here to the good old Press, that paragon of tolerance and thoughtful debate, there was a ton of rabid kneejerking against cyclists - Oh the injustice! Red lights, road tax etc etc.
When the bad drivers story makes it over here to the good old Press, there's a ton of rabid kneejerking against cyclists - Oh the injustiice! Red lights, road tax etc etc.

The principle behind this bloke's series of videos is to encourage us all to watch WTF we are doing and look out for each other - drivers cyclists pedestrians. Well that's never gonna happen with all these hateful potential vigilantes is it?
Well I'm not going to waste energy embroiling myself in the pointless tit for tat cyclists/motorists do this/that/the other/road tax/blah blah blah. But I will say that this video is tame. I see far worse from drivers every single day. Far worse. Some accidental, some deliberate. Most importantly I'll say this (and it relates to the word "deliberate" above) - If this bloke's videos have done nothing else they have flagged up the rampant anti-cyclist hate and prejudice pervading our society, demonising and endangering ordinary human beings, mums, dads, sons and daughters. When his badly behaving cyclists video went up on YorkMix it attracted dozens of outraged comments. When his bad driver video goes up on YorkMix? One comment. When the bad cyclists story made it over here to the good old Press, that paragon of tolerance and thoughtful debate, there was a ton of rabid kneejerking against cyclists - Oh the injustice! Red lights, road tax etc etc. When the bad drivers story makes it over here to the good old Press, there's a ton of rabid kneejerking against cyclists - Oh the injustiice! Red lights, road tax etc etc. The principle behind this bloke's series of videos is to encourage us all to watch WTF we are doing and look out for each other - drivers cyclists pedestrians. Well that's never gonna happen with all these hateful potential vigilantes is it? Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 44

7:46pm Wed 7 May 14

BertieBrompton says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
READ THIS: http://www.thetimes.
co.uk/tto/public/cyc
lesafety/article3311
131.ece
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]READ THIS: http://www.thetimes. co.uk/tto/public/cyc lesafety/article3311 131.ece BertieBrompton
  • Score: 29

8:05pm Wed 7 May 14

malonemalone says...

when you start paying road tax and insurance then you might be allowed an opinion , until then get over it
when you start paying road tax and insurance then you might be allowed an opinion , until then get over it malonemalone
  • Score: -60

8:30pm Wed 7 May 14

swh1963 says...

malonemalone wrote:
when you start paying road tax and insurance then you might be allowed an opinion , until then get over it
When you get a brain you might be allowed an opinion, until then get over it. Are you seriously saying that car drivers are entitled to endanger cyclists' lives because cyclists don't pay road tax or insurance? You are beyond ridicule.
[quote][p][bold]malonemalone[/bold] wrote: when you start paying road tax and insurance then you might be allowed an opinion , until then get over it[/p][/quote]When you get a brain you might be allowed an opinion, until then get over it. Are you seriously saying that car drivers are entitled to endanger cyclists' lives because cyclists don't pay road tax or insurance? You are beyond ridicule. swh1963
  • Score: 96

8:36pm Wed 7 May 14

yorkshirelad says...

Buzz light year has it spot on. Of course there's bad road use by all users and no-one should suggest otherwise. But much of what's on that video is truly shocking and by all accounts is a pretty much daily occurrence for people cycling in York.

What's pretty clear is that this goes on on a huge scale, and whilst York's cyclists also aren't angels, I think there I'd far far more motoring offences....but also the actual potential harm to others is massively greater whereas cycling offences are, by and large, just an irritation.

Many of the comments above simply show deeply ingrained prejudice...strange for York because there'll be very few families that don't include someone who cycles. You have to be a pretty nasty bit of work to put someone's life at risk, or condone it...

Like the person above said....it's somebody's son or Mum or cousin or daughter....

We need more prosecution of motoring offences...particula
rly the ones with potential to create danger to others.
Buzz light year has it spot on. Of course there's bad road use by all users and no-one should suggest otherwise. But much of what's on that video is truly shocking and by all accounts is a pretty much daily occurrence for people cycling in York. What's pretty clear is that this goes on on a huge scale, and whilst York's cyclists also aren't angels, I think there I'd far far more motoring offences....but also the actual potential harm to others is massively greater whereas cycling offences are, by and large, just an irritation. Many of the comments above simply show deeply ingrained prejudice...strange for York because there'll be very few families that don't include someone who cycles. You have to be a pretty nasty bit of work to put someone's life at risk, or condone it... Like the person above said....it's somebody's son or Mum or cousin or daughter.... We need more prosecution of motoring offences...particula rly the ones with potential to create danger to others. yorkshirelad
  • Score: 76

8:38pm Wed 7 May 14

swh1963 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
OK so let's settle the taxation issue for the umpteenth time. So-called Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty..a levy on something popular ie car ownership to raise income for HM Government. The income from VED is not ring fenced for roads. A mix of that plus all other national taxes helps the DfT to fund Motorways and strategic trunk roads. We have one of the latter which is the A64 bypass. Every other road in York is Council Tax funded.

Personal liability/third party insurance is obtained by cyclists who choose to become members of CTC or British Cycling. Legal Aid is also a membership benefit, where a collision is someone else's fault.
Many of the cyclists that you see around York are car users as well, who have sensibly opted for two wheels for some local journeys.

No-one has yet suggested that pedestrians should have insurance, but given the numbers who step off kerbs right in front of me with eyes glued to mobile phones, that day should perhaps come.

And on to the video. Not an offence to park on an advisory cycle lane ie one with dotted markings. But when a cyclist needs to deviate past one, give a right shoulder warning look first then pass an open doors width away.

Trying to beat cyclists to pinch points featured in some clips. Road narrowings caused by parked vehicles, pedestrian refuges etc should not be seen as a challenge. If a cyclist is in front of you in that situation, let them get through the narrowin,g before overtaking if it is now safe to. Personally at pinch points, I always move from the secondary to primary position to physically deter overtakers, again preceded by that warning look over the right shoulder. No hand signals.....reserve those for turning off at junctions.

Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined.

Don't get me wrong. The majority of road users show respect and courtesy towards each other. I experience a great deal of this and offer it in return. I let a Park & Ride bus out in front of me on Museum St recently. Thumbs up from the bus driver but a window down and a "effing t**t" from a single occupancy car driver behind me. But which of us was using road capacity most efficiently?

To complete the sequence, we need this guy to film some pedestrian antics.
I don't often agree with PP but some good points here - except please stop the preaching about single occupancy cars. Sometimes my car is full of people and things public transport simply can't carry, sometimes its just me. Give someone a backer on your bike before you tell everyone else how to live - no? Thought not?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: OK so let's settle the taxation issue for the umpteenth time. So-called Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty..a levy on something popular ie car ownership to raise income for HM Government. The income from VED is not ring fenced for roads. A mix of that plus all other national taxes helps the DfT to fund Motorways and strategic trunk roads. We have one of the latter which is the A64 bypass. Every other road in York is Council Tax funded. Personal liability/third party insurance is obtained by cyclists who choose to become members of CTC or British Cycling. Legal Aid is also a membership benefit, where a collision is someone else's fault. Many of the cyclists that you see around York are car users as well, who have sensibly opted for two wheels for some local journeys. No-one has yet suggested that pedestrians should have insurance, but given the numbers who step off kerbs right in front of me with eyes glued to mobile phones, that day should perhaps come. And on to the video. Not an offence to park on an advisory cycle lane ie one with dotted markings. But when a cyclist needs to deviate past one, give a right shoulder warning look first then pass an open doors width away. Trying to beat cyclists to pinch points featured in some clips. Road narrowings caused by parked vehicles, pedestrian refuges etc should not be seen as a challenge. If a cyclist is in front of you in that situation, let them get through the narrowin,g before overtaking if it is now safe to. Personally at pinch points, I always move from the secondary to primary position to physically deter overtakers, again preceded by that warning look over the right shoulder. No hand signals.....reserve those for turning off at junctions. Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined. Don't get me wrong. The majority of road users show respect and courtesy towards each other. I experience a great deal of this and offer it in return. I let a Park & Ride bus out in front of me on Museum St recently. Thumbs up from the bus driver but a window down and a "effing t**t" from a single occupancy car driver behind me. But which of us was using road capacity most efficiently? To complete the sequence, we need this guy to film some pedestrian antics.[/p][/quote]I don't often agree with PP but some good points here - except please stop the preaching about single occupancy cars. Sometimes my car is full of people and things public transport simply can't carry, sometimes its just me. Give someone a backer on your bike before you tell everyone else how to live - no? Thought not? swh1963
  • Score: 48

8:40pm Wed 7 May 14

mr-blobby says...

Perhaps all the cyclists in York should drive to work for a week and we'll all see how long a 2 mile journey could take.
Perhaps all the cyclists in York should drive to work for a week and we'll all see how long a 2 mile journey could take. mr-blobby
  • Score: 30

10:02pm Wed 7 May 14

MouseHouse says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
You don't pay ROAD TAX. I know you don't pay ROAD TAX because ROAD TAX doesn't exist. What I think you're referring to is Vehicle Excise Duty, charged in accordance with your vehicles omissions. This payment goes into the general tax fund, it is not ring fenced for roads / pavements.

INSURANCE. Many cyclists are insured. There is no legal requirement to pay for INSURANCE so don't be surprised when some cyclists don't have INSURANCE.

So that's you looking the fool.
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]You don't pay ROAD TAX. I know you don't pay ROAD TAX because ROAD TAX doesn't exist. What I think you're referring to is Vehicle Excise Duty, charged in accordance with your vehicles omissions. This payment goes into the general tax fund, it is not ring fenced for roads / pavements. INSURANCE. Many cyclists are insured. There is no legal requirement to pay for INSURANCE so don't be surprised when some cyclists don't have INSURANCE. So that's you looking the fool. MouseHouse
  • Score: 62

10:05pm Wed 7 May 14

MouseHouse says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
You don't pay ROAD TAX. I know you don't pay ROAD TAX because ROAD TAX doesn't exist. What I think you're referring to is Vehicle Excise Duty, charged in accordance with your vehicles omissions. This payment goes into the general tax fund, it is not ring fenced for roads / pavements.

INSURANCE. Many cyclists are insured. There is no legal requirement to pay for INSURANCE so don't be surprised when some cyclists don't have INSURANCE.

So that's you looking the fool.
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]You don't pay ROAD TAX. I know you don't pay ROAD TAX because ROAD TAX doesn't exist. What I think you're referring to is Vehicle Excise Duty, charged in accordance with your vehicles omissions. This payment goes into the general tax fund, it is not ring fenced for roads / pavements. INSURANCE. Many cyclists are insured. There is no legal requirement to pay for INSURANCE so don't be surprised when some cyclists don't have INSURANCE. So that's you looking the fool. MouseHouse
  • Score: 64

10:24pm Wed 7 May 14

twoleftfeet says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
Road Tax?.........
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]Road Tax?......... twoleftfeet
  • Score: 48

10:44pm Wed 7 May 14

Dave Ruddock says...

SEND TO THE POLICE ??
SEND TO THE POLICE ?? Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 30

10:49pm Wed 7 May 14

eeoodares says...

hoekstra wrote:
Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
You don't pay 'road tax' you pay CAR TAX due to the emissions your vehicle creates. Bicycles create zero emissions therefore no tax. Many cyclists also have insurance....
How many, what percentage? Insurance for theft or third party insurance?
Try walking along any footpath where cycling is permitted, they go flat out with no consideration.
[quote][p][bold]hoekstra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]You don't pay 'road tax' you pay CAR TAX due to the emissions your vehicle creates. Bicycles create zero emissions therefore no tax. Many cyclists also have insurance....[/p][/quote]How many, what percentage? Insurance for theft or third party insurance? Try walking along any footpath where cycling is permitted, they go flat out with no consideration. eeoodares
  • Score: -134

10:49pm Wed 7 May 14

eeoodares says...

pedalling paul wrote:
OK so let's settle the taxation issue for the umpteenth time. So-called Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty..a levy on something popular ie car ownership to raise income for HM Government. The income from VED is not ring fenced for roads. A mix of that plus all other national taxes helps the DfT to fund Motorways and strategic trunk roads. We have one of the latter which is the A64 bypass. Every other road in York is Council Tax funded.

Personal liability/third party insurance is obtained by cyclists who choose to become members of CTC or British Cycling. Legal Aid is also a membership benefit, where a collision is someone else's fault.
Many of the cyclists that you see around York are car users as well, who have sensibly opted for two wheels for some local journeys.

No-one has yet suggested that pedestrians should have insurance, but given the numbers who step off kerbs right in front of me with eyes glued to mobile phones, that day should perhaps come.

And on to the video. Not an offence to park on an advisory cycle lane ie one with dotted markings. But when a cyclist needs to deviate past one, give a right shoulder warning look first then pass an open doors width away.

Trying to beat cyclists to pinch points featured in some clips. Road narrowings caused by parked vehicles, pedestrian refuges etc should not be seen as a challenge. If a cyclist is in front of you in that situation, let them get through the narrowin,g before overtaking if it is now safe to. Personally at pinch points, I always move from the secondary to primary position to physically deter overtakers, again preceded by that warning look over the right shoulder. No hand signals.....reserve those for turning off at junctions.

Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined.

Don't get me wrong. The majority of road users show respect and courtesy towards each other. I experience a great deal of this and offer it in return. I let a Park & Ride bus out in front of me on Museum St recently. Thumbs up from the bus driver but a window down and a "effing t**t" from a single occupancy car driver behind me. But which of us was using road capacity most efficiently?

To complete the sequence, we need this guy to film some pedestrian antics.
Wow, you are dull...even for a Liebour councillor!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: OK so let's settle the taxation issue for the umpteenth time. So-called Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty..a levy on something popular ie car ownership to raise income for HM Government. The income from VED is not ring fenced for roads. A mix of that plus all other national taxes helps the DfT to fund Motorways and strategic trunk roads. We have one of the latter which is the A64 bypass. Every other road in York is Council Tax funded. Personal liability/third party insurance is obtained by cyclists who choose to become members of CTC or British Cycling. Legal Aid is also a membership benefit, where a collision is someone else's fault. Many of the cyclists that you see around York are car users as well, who have sensibly opted for two wheels for some local journeys. No-one has yet suggested that pedestrians should have insurance, but given the numbers who step off kerbs right in front of me with eyes glued to mobile phones, that day should perhaps come. And on to the video. Not an offence to park on an advisory cycle lane ie one with dotted markings. But when a cyclist needs to deviate past one, give a right shoulder warning look first then pass an open doors width away. Trying to beat cyclists to pinch points featured in some clips. Road narrowings caused by parked vehicles, pedestrian refuges etc should not be seen as a challenge. If a cyclist is in front of you in that situation, let them get through the narrowin,g before overtaking if it is now safe to. Personally at pinch points, I always move from the secondary to primary position to physically deter overtakers, again preceded by that warning look over the right shoulder. No hand signals.....reserve those for turning off at junctions. Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined. Don't get me wrong. The majority of road users show respect and courtesy towards each other. I experience a great deal of this and offer it in return. I let a Park & Ride bus out in front of me on Museum St recently. Thumbs up from the bus driver but a window down and a "effing t**t" from a single occupancy car driver behind me. But which of us was using road capacity most efficiently? To complete the sequence, we need this guy to film some pedestrian antics.[/p][/quote]Wow, you are dull...even for a Liebour councillor! eeoodares
  • Score: -130

10:55pm Wed 7 May 14

bolero says...

mr-blobby wrote:
Perhaps all the cyclists in York should drive to work for a week and we'll all see how long a 2 mile journey could take.
They do when it rains and that's when congestion is at its worst. I pointed this out earlier.
[quote][p][bold]mr-blobby[/bold] wrote: Perhaps all the cyclists in York should drive to work for a week and we'll all see how long a 2 mile journey could take.[/p][/quote]They do when it rains and that's when congestion is at its worst. I pointed this out earlier. bolero
  • Score: 66

11:32pm Wed 7 May 14

Grey Lady says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
It is reasonable to expect to be able to cycle on the road in safety. Many people drive cars and choose to cycle to work if there is no where to park, so they would be paying road tax.
I ride my bike responsibly and obey the rules of the Highway Code, but there have been many times when I've nearly been hit by a vehicle been driven by some one who is not paying attention, so if the video has the desired effect of shaming those who have been caught, all the better.
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]It is reasonable to expect to be able to cycle on the road in safety. Many people drive cars and choose to cycle to work if there is no where to park, so they would be paying road tax. I ride my bike responsibly and obey the rules of the Highway Code, but there have been many times when I've nearly been hit by a vehicle been driven by some one who is not paying attention, so if the video has the desired effect of shaming those who have been caught, all the better. Grey Lady
  • Score: 16

5:15am Thu 8 May 14

Magicman! says...

Well then, this really is showing the true colours of a lot of people in York... this anonymous person posted a video of cyclists behaving in a stupid and dangerous manner, and all the comments were criticising cyclists... now the same person has put up a video showing car drivers behaving in a stupid and dangerous manner - and yet a lot of the comments on here are still criticising cyclists for some bizarre reason.

An awful lot of closed minds on here, that's all I can say. If you have watched this video and still think the cyclists are in the wrong, then shame on you.
Well then, this really is showing the true colours of a lot of people in York... this anonymous person posted a video of cyclists behaving in a stupid and dangerous manner, and all the comments were criticising cyclists... now the same person has put up a video showing car drivers behaving in a stupid and dangerous manner - and yet a lot of the comments on here are still criticising cyclists for some bizarre reason. An awful lot of closed minds on here, that's all I can say. If you have watched this video and still think the cyclists are in the wrong, then shame on you. Magicman!
  • Score: 23

7:34am Thu 8 May 14

farmer_robot says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
You don't pay road tax. You pay VED, a tax on emissions. Some cyclists have tried to apply for a tax disc for their bikes (zero emissions so zero VED) but have been declined by the DVLA. Do yo uhave a problem with owners of low emissoins cars, disabled, police, milk floats, electric vehicles on the roads, all of which are VED exempt too? As for insurance - this was made mandatory for motorised road users as there is a substantial difference in speed and mass between cars and other vehicles such as bikes, people or horses. Have a think about what you're saying before posting it on here, eh?
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]You don't pay road tax. You pay VED, a tax on emissions. Some cyclists have tried to apply for a tax disc for their bikes (zero emissions so zero VED) but have been declined by the DVLA. Do yo uhave a problem with owners of low emissoins cars, disabled, police, milk floats, electric vehicles on the roads, all of which are VED exempt too? As for insurance - this was made mandatory for motorised road users as there is a substantial difference in speed and mass between cars and other vehicles such as bikes, people or horses. Have a think about what you're saying before posting it on here, eh? farmer_robot
  • Score: 9

7:37am Thu 8 May 14

oldgoat says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
I do. Well, its called Vehicle Excise Duty now. They phased out Road Tax in 1937 when it stopped being reserved for road repairs.
Insurance is not relevant to this discussion.

Paying to use your vehicle on the public roads is not a license to drive badly or inconsiderately.

Having seen this video, some of these incidents #seem# to be as a result of the cyclist being a bit over enthusiastic and not thinking like a car driver. I see far more cyclists ignoring red lights, riding the wrong way up a one-way, or on pavements.

Not condoning bad driving, but sometimes you need to give the car a little space to get on with what the driver is trying to do?
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]I do. Well, its called Vehicle Excise Duty now. They phased out Road Tax in 1937 when it stopped being reserved for road repairs. Insurance is not relevant to this discussion. Paying to use your vehicle on the public roads is not a license to drive badly or inconsiderately. Having seen this video, some of these incidents #seem# to be as a result of the cyclist being a bit over enthusiastic and not thinking like a car driver. I see far more cyclists ignoring red lights, riding the wrong way up a one-way, or on pavements. Not condoning bad driving, but sometimes you need to give the car a little space to get on with what the driver is trying to do? oldgoat
  • Score: -9

7:38am Thu 8 May 14

Kevin Turvey says...

can he now do a video of the council meetings where democracy is ignored and a delibrate policy of financial suicide has been started against all common sense and duty of care!
can he now do a video of the council meetings where democracy is ignored and a delibrate policy of financial suicide has been started against all common sense and duty of care! Kevin Turvey
  • Score: 10

7:58am Thu 8 May 14

farmer_robot says...

oldgoat wrote:
Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
I do. Well, its called Vehicle Excise Duty now. They phased out Road Tax in 1937 when it stopped being reserved for road repairs.
Insurance is not relevant to this discussion.

Paying to use your vehicle on the public roads is not a license to drive badly or inconsiderately.

Having seen this video, some of these incidents #seem# to be as a result of the cyclist being a bit over enthusiastic and not thinking like a car driver. I see far more cyclists ignoring red lights, riding the wrong way up a one-way, or on pavements.

Not condoning bad driving, but sometimes you need to give the car a little space to get on with what the driver is trying to do?
You don't pay VED to use the roads. VED isn't ringfenced for road use. It goes into the same tax pot as my VAT and Income Tax which they use for the roads. Let's stop this myth that there is somehow this direct tax you pay as a motorist for the roads in the UK, there isn't. When externalities are accounted for, the taxes paid by vehicle users, VAT on fuel, fuel duty, VED etc don't even cover the whole cost of running our road networks.

The point obviously is that the roads are a shared resource and the onus is on a car driver (I drive a car) to be as considerate around vulnerable road users such as cyclists as much as the onus is on cyclists (I am a cyclist) to be considerate around vulnerable road users such as pedestrians.
[quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]I do. Well, its called Vehicle Excise Duty now. They phased out Road Tax in 1937 when it stopped being reserved for road repairs. Insurance is not relevant to this discussion. Paying to use your vehicle on the public roads is not a license to drive badly or inconsiderately. Having seen this video, some of these incidents #seem# to be as a result of the cyclist being a bit over enthusiastic and not thinking like a car driver. I see far more cyclists ignoring red lights, riding the wrong way up a one-way, or on pavements. Not condoning bad driving, but sometimes you need to give the car a little space to get on with what the driver is trying to do?[/p][/quote]You don't pay VED to use the roads. VED isn't ringfenced for road use. It goes into the same tax pot as my VAT and Income Tax which they use for the roads. Let's stop this myth that there is somehow this direct tax you pay as a motorist for the roads in the UK, there isn't. When externalities are accounted for, the taxes paid by vehicle users, VAT on fuel, fuel duty, VED etc don't even cover the whole cost of running our road networks. The point obviously is that the roads are a shared resource and the onus is on a car driver (I drive a car) to be as considerate around vulnerable road users such as cyclists as much as the onus is on cyclists (I am a cyclist) to be considerate around vulnerable road users such as pedestrians. farmer_robot
  • Score: 9

9:05am Thu 8 May 14

Lance Corporal Jones says...

pedalling paul says...
A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court.

So now your going to get private funding for the purpose of prosecuting near miss incidents (events that had potential but did not result in damage or injury).

Like thats going to happen, you are not on this planet, although you have the potential to give your private legal insurer a good laugh. Looking forward to seeing your first prosecution but think I have more chance of winning the lottery on 10 consecutive Saturdays.
pedalling paul says... A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. So now your going to get private funding for the purpose of prosecuting near miss incidents (events that had potential but did not result in damage or injury). Like thats going to happen, you are not on this planet, although you have the potential to give your private legal insurer a good laugh. Looking forward to seeing your first prosecution but think I have more chance of winning the lottery on 10 consecutive Saturdays. Lance Corporal Jones
  • Score: 0

9:14am Thu 8 May 14

Ralph_ says...

pedalling paul wrote:
OK so let's settle the taxation issue for the umpteenth time. So-called Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty..a levy on something popular ie car ownership to raise income for HM Government. The income from VED is not ring fenced for roads. A mix of that plus all other national taxes helps the DfT to fund Motorways and strategic trunk roads. We have one of the latter which is the A64 bypass. Every other road in York is Council Tax funded.

Personal liability/third party insurance is obtained by cyclists who choose to become members of CTC or British Cycling. Legal Aid is also a membership benefit, where a collision is someone else's fault.
Many of the cyclists that you see around York are car users as well, who have sensibly opted for two wheels for some local journeys.

No-one has yet suggested that pedestrians should have insurance, but given the numbers who step off kerbs right in front of me with eyes glued to mobile phones, that day should perhaps come.

And on to the video. Not an offence to park on an advisory cycle lane ie one with dotted markings. But when a cyclist needs to deviate past one, give a right shoulder warning look first then pass an open doors width away.

Trying to beat cyclists to pinch points featured in some clips. Road narrowings caused by parked vehicles, pedestrian refuges etc should not be seen as a challenge. If a cyclist is in front of you in that situation, let them get through the narrowin,g before overtaking if it is now safe to. Personally at pinch points, I always move from the secondary to primary position to physically deter overtakers, again preceded by that warning look over the right shoulder. No hand signals.....reserve those for turning off at junctions.

Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined.

Don't get me wrong. The majority of road users show respect and courtesy towards each other. I experience a great deal of this and offer it in return. I let a Park & Ride bus out in front of me on Museum St recently. Thumbs up from the bus driver but a window down and a "effing t**t" from a single occupancy car driver behind me. But which of us was using road capacity most efficiently?

To complete the sequence, we need this guy to film some pedestrian antics.
Great post PP, but I'm no sure the driver in the first clip is at fault. It appeared that the car was indicating left before the cyclist 'undertook' it. Does a cycle lane give priority in this instance?!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: OK so let's settle the taxation issue for the umpteenth time. So-called Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty..a levy on something popular ie car ownership to raise income for HM Government. The income from VED is not ring fenced for roads. A mix of that plus all other national taxes helps the DfT to fund Motorways and strategic trunk roads. We have one of the latter which is the A64 bypass. Every other road in York is Council Tax funded. Personal liability/third party insurance is obtained by cyclists who choose to become members of CTC or British Cycling. Legal Aid is also a membership benefit, where a collision is someone else's fault. Many of the cyclists that you see around York are car users as well, who have sensibly opted for two wheels for some local journeys. No-one has yet suggested that pedestrians should have insurance, but given the numbers who step off kerbs right in front of me with eyes glued to mobile phones, that day should perhaps come. And on to the video. Not an offence to park on an advisory cycle lane ie one with dotted markings. But when a cyclist needs to deviate past one, give a right shoulder warning look first then pass an open doors width away. Trying to beat cyclists to pinch points featured in some clips. Road narrowings caused by parked vehicles, pedestrian refuges etc should not be seen as a challenge. If a cyclist is in front of you in that situation, let them get through the narrowin,g before overtaking if it is now safe to. Personally at pinch points, I always move from the secondary to primary position to physically deter overtakers, again preceded by that warning look over the right shoulder. No hand signals.....reserve those for turning off at junctions. Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined. Don't get me wrong. The majority of road users show respect and courtesy towards each other. I experience a great deal of this and offer it in return. I let a Park & Ride bus out in front of me on Museum St recently. Thumbs up from the bus driver but a window down and a "effing t**t" from a single occupancy car driver behind me. But which of us was using road capacity most efficiently? To complete the sequence, we need this guy to film some pedestrian antics.[/p][/quote]Great post PP, but I'm no sure the driver in the first clip is at fault. It appeared that the car was indicating left before the cyclist 'undertook' it. Does a cycle lane give priority in this instance?! Ralph_
  • Score: 11

9:17am Thu 8 May 14

the original Homer says...

This is one man's view of the world, and (in my opinion) there are some occasions where his cycling is as bad as the driving he's trying to highlight.

However, we all need to take a step back from the cars vs bikes debate. Like many, I use both forms of transport regularly, and I don't suddenly become anti whichever I happen to not be using at the time.

His videos (both of them) should show us all how easy it is for things to go wrong. We need to stop the us and them arguments and concentrate on keeping ourselves safe.

If I was sat in a hospital bed I wouldn't get any comfort from knowing I'd had right of way when a car knocked me off my bike.

As a motorist, I wouldn't get any comfort from knowing I'd had right of way when I knocked a cyclist off his bike and put him in hospital.

We should all try to ride / drive better, but let's also face up to others getting it wrong. In many (not all) accidents, the person who had right of way could have avoided the accident if they'd been riding / driving better themselves.

Maybe most of us would behave that bit better on the roads if we thought there was a high chance of a camera capturing our actions?
This is one man's view of the world, and (in my opinion) there are some occasions where his cycling is as bad as the driving he's trying to highlight. However, we all need to take a step back from the cars vs bikes debate. Like many, I use both forms of transport regularly, and I don't suddenly become anti whichever I happen to not be using at the time. His videos (both of them) should show us all how easy it is for things to go wrong. We need to stop the us and them arguments and concentrate on keeping ourselves safe. If I was sat in a hospital bed I wouldn't get any comfort from knowing I'd had right of way when a car knocked me off my bike. As a motorist, I wouldn't get any comfort from knowing I'd had right of way when I knocked a cyclist off his bike and put him in hospital. We should all try to ride / drive better, but let's also face up to others getting it wrong. In many (not all) accidents, the person who had right of way could have avoided the accident if they'd been riding / driving better themselves. Maybe most of us would behave that bit better on the roads if we thought there was a high chance of a camera capturing our actions? the original Homer
  • Score: 17

9:22am Thu 8 May 14

Fabius the Delayer says...

Brabus wrote:
And in next weeks installment said cyclist is heard yelping with pain as Go-Pro camera is retrieved from a bodily cavity in A&E
I see my comment was taken down, so you shouldn't be far behind (excuse the pun)
[quote][p][bold]Brabus[/bold] wrote: And in next weeks installment said cyclist is heard yelping with pain as Go-Pro camera is retrieved from a bodily cavity in A&E[/p][/quote]I see my comment was taken down, so you shouldn't be far behind (excuse the pun) Fabius the Delayer
  • Score: 4

9:25am Thu 8 May 14

MouseHouse says...

The truth is drivers, cyclists and pedestrians can all do **** stupid things. On my first driving lesson I was taught to assume that everybody else is an idiot, and to make sure I treated thm as such.

One point made earlier by somebody was the need for cyclists to think like a car driver. I would also suggest for drivers to think like a cyclist. It's isn't possible for my teenage children cyclists to think like a driver as they don't drive.

As ever there's a lot of folk trying to use the same space - share, be realistic, be aware and THINK.
The truth is drivers, cyclists and pedestrians can all do **** stupid things. On my first driving lesson I was taught to assume that everybody else is an idiot, and to make sure I treated thm as such. One point made earlier by somebody was the need for cyclists to think like a car driver. I would also suggest for drivers to think like a cyclist. It's isn't possible for my teenage children cyclists to think like a driver as they don't drive. As ever there's a lot of folk trying to use the same space - share, be realistic, be aware and THINK. MouseHouse
  • Score: 14

9:30am Thu 8 May 14

Priapus says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
I cycle and pay also around £1200 per month in tax and National Insurance. So, i'm pretty sure I'm contributing more to the upkeep of roads than some anti-cyclist loser with an X Reg Fiesta on minimum wage.
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]I cycle and pay also around £1200 per month in tax and National Insurance. So, i'm pretty sure I'm contributing more to the upkeep of roads than some anti-cyclist loser with an X Reg Fiesta on minimum wage. Priapus
  • Score: 9

10:44am Thu 8 May 14

anti-rant says...

mr-blobby wrote:
Perhaps all the cyclists in York should drive to work for a week and we'll all see how long a 2 mile journey could take.
I sometimes do drive my car to work, but prefer the bike because I know almost precisely how long it will take me to get there.
[quote][p][bold]mr-blobby[/bold] wrote: Perhaps all the cyclists in York should drive to work for a week and we'll all see how long a 2 mile journey could take.[/p][/quote]I sometimes do drive my car to work, but prefer the bike because I know almost precisely how long it will take me to get there. anti-rant
  • Score: 4

10:59am Thu 8 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Good debate, particularly Origiial Homer.

Each traveller should appreciate and be courteous to the others and
none should abuse the privilege that stupid actions are not yet a jailable offence. But silly actions need official policing if they are dangerous.
Good debate, particularly Origiial Homer. Each traveller should appreciate and be courteous to the others and none should abuse the privilege that stupid actions are not yet a jailable offence. But silly actions need official policing if they are dangerous. Cheeky face
  • Score: 4

11:11am Thu 8 May 14

pbrowne2009@live.co.uk says...

All we need now if a film on bad pedestrians and reckless motorbike riders.
All we need now if a film on bad pedestrians and reckless motorbike riders. pbrowne2009@live.co.uk
  • Score: 6

11:48am Thu 8 May 14

YorkPatrol says...

MouseHouse wrote:
Bailed Out wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
You don't pay ROAD TAX. I know you don't pay ROAD TAX because ROAD TAX doesn't exist. What I think you're referring to is Vehicle Excise Duty, charged in accordance with your vehicles omissions. This payment goes into the general tax fund, it is not ring fenced for roads / pavements. INSURANCE. Many cyclists are insured. There is no legal requirement to pay for INSURANCE so don't be surprised when some cyclists don't have INSURANCE. So that's you looking the fool.
https://www.gov.uk/b
rowse/driving/car-ta
x-discs
[quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]You don't pay ROAD TAX. I know you don't pay ROAD TAX because ROAD TAX doesn't exist. What I think you're referring to is Vehicle Excise Duty, charged in accordance with your vehicles omissions. This payment goes into the general tax fund, it is not ring fenced for roads / pavements. INSURANCE. Many cyclists are insured. There is no legal requirement to pay for INSURANCE so don't be surprised when some cyclists don't have INSURANCE. So that's you looking the fool.[/p][/quote]https://www.gov.uk/b rowse/driving/car-ta x-discs YorkPatrol
  • Score: -2

11:57am Thu 8 May 14

YorkPatrol says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
The little GoPro camera he has used are appearing everywhere these days, especially filming adrenaline boost sports. I was passed on the double bend at the bottom of Garrowby Hill on the A166 by a speeding motorcyclist wearing one of these cameras on his helmet. He crossed a double white line to pass me doing 70 mph. He was obviously in an excited rush and filming his crazy exploits as he raced towards York doing in excess of 100 mph at times. In my opinion the camera was spurring him to take road risks in order to produce a more exciting film for YouTube kudos. I suggest that there may be some temptation for the GoPro cyclist here to take a few "risks" over the next few months trying to get the "money shots" that'll appear in "York Drivers Behaving Badly-Part Two". We'll see.
I’ve seen this idiot with the camera a few times and he does just that. The last time I saw him he deliberately biked into the path of a car screaming and shouting waving his fist about like a deranged imbecile. He was riding too fast, believed he had priority over everything and everyone and was blatantly trying to make a point for his silly little video. It was a similar story the previous time I saw him – he was simply acting in aid of his footage

This lunatic is either going to end up hurt or like some people state “filled in” and he’ll only have himself to blame. Let’s hope his gopro captures the footage
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: The little GoPro camera he has used are appearing everywhere these days, especially filming adrenaline boost sports. I was passed on the double bend at the bottom of Garrowby Hill on the A166 by a speeding motorcyclist wearing one of these cameras on his helmet. He crossed a double white line to pass me doing 70 mph. He was obviously in an excited rush and filming his crazy exploits as he raced towards York doing in excess of 100 mph at times. In my opinion the camera was spurring him to take road risks in order to produce a more exciting film for YouTube kudos. I suggest that there may be some temptation for the GoPro cyclist here to take a few "risks" over the next few months trying to get the "money shots" that'll appear in "York Drivers Behaving Badly-Part Two". We'll see.[/p][/quote]I’ve seen this idiot with the camera a few times and he does just that. The last time I saw him he deliberately biked into the path of a car screaming and shouting waving his fist about like a deranged imbecile. He was riding too fast, believed he had priority over everything and everyone and was blatantly trying to make a point for his silly little video. It was a similar story the previous time I saw him – he was simply acting in aid of his footage This lunatic is either going to end up hurt or like some people state “filled in” and he’ll only have himself to blame. Let’s hope his gopro captures the footage YorkPatrol
  • Score: -1

12:04pm Thu 8 May 14

NickPheas says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
3 months to get 3 minutes of film.

A bit like war reporting, vast amounts of time where nothing happens then a few minutes of edited compressed action.
He wanted variety I think. You could get three minutes worth of shoddy parking between Bootham Bar and Clifton Green in just a couple of hours.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: 3 months to get 3 minutes of film. A bit like war reporting, vast amounts of time where nothing happens then a few minutes of edited compressed action.[/p][/quote]He wanted variety I think. You could get three minutes worth of shoddy parking between Bootham Bar and Clifton Green in just a couple of hours. NickPheas
  • Score: 6

12:18pm Thu 8 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

There seems to be a lot of experts on this site advocating how one should cycle, drive and/or walk and it seems also that they take great joy in pointing out the failings of one or the other.
One commentor stands out more than anyone else and that is pedalling paul, hence I called my self notpeddalingpaul as I am exactly opposite to him in my thinking.
This cyclist who has published these films on bad cyclists and bad motorists should really get a life, I have a GoPro camera fitted in my car and record my every journey - for insurances puposes only - but even though I capture many instances of other motorists cutting me up or kamikazi anticts of cyclists or pedestrians it has never entered my head to put them on this site or others like youtube.
Is'nt it about time that all we road users had a little bit more tolerance to each other, that includes cyclists, motorcyclists, car, bus and lorry drivers, getting wound-up does'nt do anyone any good at all.
There seems to be a lot of experts on this site advocating how one should cycle, drive and/or walk and it seems also that they take great joy in pointing out the failings of one or the other. One commentor stands out more than anyone else and that is pedalling paul, hence I called my self notpeddalingpaul as I am exactly opposite to him in my thinking. This cyclist who has published these films on bad cyclists and bad motorists should really get a life, I have a GoPro camera fitted in my car and record my every journey - for insurances puposes only - but even though I capture many instances of other motorists cutting me up or kamikazi anticts of cyclists or pedestrians it has never entered my head to put them on this site or others like youtube. Is'nt it about time that all we road users had a little bit more tolerance to each other, that includes cyclists, motorcyclists, car, bus and lorry drivers, getting wound-up does'nt do anyone any good at all. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -1

12:30pm Thu 8 May 14

imassey says...

Sadly, films like this will do little to change people's attitudes to the way they drive (or cycle, in the earlier case).

How many people of each of us know who have been prosecuted for speeding, or attended a speed awareness course, only to speed again? Even if you don't know anyone, the stories of people who are still driving with tens of points on their licenses or while disqualified make it apparent that people don't learn, or think themselves above the law.

Perhaps the only thing that will change peoples' attitudes is if they have a crash, injure/kill somebody or even injure themselves. I would guess that the cyclist in the first video hasn't tried to take his jacket off while cycling again.
Sadly, films like this will do little to change people's attitudes to the way they drive (or cycle, in the earlier case). How many people of each of us know who have been prosecuted for speeding, or attended a speed awareness course, only to speed again? Even if you don't know anyone, the stories of people who are still driving with tens of points on their licenses or while disqualified make it apparent that people don't learn, or think themselves above the law. Perhaps the only thing that will change peoples' attitudes is if they have a crash, injure/kill somebody or even injure themselves. I would guess that the cyclist in the first video hasn't tried to take his jacket off while cycling again. imassey
  • Score: 2

12:49pm Thu 8 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Notpedallingpaul,

Well said. Interpersonal skills and understanding other travelers is the answer.

The short film on turning lights off in Bristol showed lots of courtesy; and is worth a look.

Can the camera-car be used to catch these idiots; drivers and cyclists in equal proportionate measures?

Was the cycle-camera guy totally safe in his actions?
Notpedallingpaul, Well said. Interpersonal skills and understanding other travelers is the answer. The short film on turning lights off in Bristol showed lots of courtesy; and is worth a look. Can the camera-car be used to catch these idiots; drivers and cyclists in equal proportionate measures? Was the cycle-camera guy totally safe in his actions? Cheeky face
  • Score: 2

12:57pm Thu 8 May 14

bolero says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
There seems to be a lot of experts on this site advocating how one should cycle, drive and/or walk and it seems also that they take great joy in pointing out the failings of one or the other.
One commentor stands out more than anyone else and that is pedalling paul, hence I called my self notpeddalingpaul as I am exactly opposite to him in my thinking.
This cyclist who has published these films on bad cyclists and bad motorists should really get a life, I have a GoPro camera fitted in my car and record my every journey - for insurances puposes only - but even though I capture many instances of other motorists cutting me up or kamikazi anticts of cyclists or pedestrians it has never entered my head to put them on this site or others like youtube.
Is'nt it about time that all we road users had a little bit more tolerance to each other, that includes cyclists, motorcyclists, car, bus and lorry drivers, getting wound-up does'nt do anyone any good at all.
Yes, his camera is an EGO/PRO.
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: There seems to be a lot of experts on this site advocating how one should cycle, drive and/or walk and it seems also that they take great joy in pointing out the failings of one or the other. One commentor stands out more than anyone else and that is pedalling paul, hence I called my self notpeddalingpaul as I am exactly opposite to him in my thinking. This cyclist who has published these films on bad cyclists and bad motorists should really get a life, I have a GoPro camera fitted in my car and record my every journey - for insurances puposes only - but even though I capture many instances of other motorists cutting me up or kamikazi anticts of cyclists or pedestrians it has never entered my head to put them on this site or others like youtube. Is'nt it about time that all we road users had a little bit more tolerance to each other, that includes cyclists, motorcyclists, car, bus and lorry drivers, getting wound-up does'nt do anyone any good at all.[/p][/quote]Yes, his camera is an EGO/PRO. bolero
  • Score: 1

2:06pm Thu 8 May 14

Dan Atkinson says...

malonemalone wrote:
when you start paying road tax and insurance then you might be allowed an opinion , until then get over it
It's idiots like you who give drivers a bad name.
[quote][p][bold]malonemalone[/bold] wrote: when you start paying road tax and insurance then you might be allowed an opinion , until then get over it[/p][/quote]It's idiots like you who give drivers a bad name. Dan Atkinson
  • Score: 5

2:08pm Thu 8 May 14

Minguel says...

I'm afraid that some of thse are just bad cycling. You cannnot expect everything to just move out of your way. In the first ten seconds there is a van that pulls across you from what looks like Bootham. It as already started to turn before you come bombing out from the side of anothr van on the sme side of the road. I'm a cyclist and motorist and like most realise that ou need mutual respect for the shared space. Same with the bus on the roundabout - it had already started it's manouver well before you got there!
I'm afraid that some of thse are just bad cycling. You cannnot expect everything to just move out of your way. In the first ten seconds there is a van that pulls across you from what looks like Bootham. It as already started to turn before you come bombing out from the side of anothr van on the sme side of the road. I'm a cyclist and motorist and like most realise that ou need mutual respect for the shared space. Same with the bus on the roundabout - it had already started it's manouver well before you got there! Minguel
  • Score: 3

2:17pm Thu 8 May 14

Minguel says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
Can we all agree to never mention road tax again on any debate involving cyclists? It 's been covered a hundred times and makes you look a bit silly. Just Google it.
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]Can we all agree to never mention road tax again on any debate involving cyclists? It 's been covered a hundred times and makes you look a bit silly. Just Google it. Minguel
  • Score: 7

3:05pm Thu 8 May 14

again says...

Mr. Marcus wrote:
Well, "cyclist", who ever you are, try and peddle down Davygate in the correct way.
Most cyclists peddle from Parliament Street to St. Helen's Square. This is a one way street, but they choose the wrong way deliberately. No police to control those idiot cyclists. No traffic wardens either.
Another day another motorists vs cyclists story.

Oh what a bore..
[quote][p][bold]Mr. Marcus[/bold] wrote: Well, "cyclist", who ever you are, try and peddle down Davygate in the correct way. Most cyclists peddle from Parliament Street to St. Helen's Square. This is a one way street, but they choose the wrong way deliberately. No police to control those idiot cyclists. No traffic wardens either.[/p][/quote]Another day another motorists vs cyclists story. Oh what a bore.. again
  • Score: 2

3:38pm Thu 8 May 14

bolero says...

Minguel wrote:
Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
Can we all agree to never mention road tax again on any debate involving cyclists? It 's been covered a hundred times and makes you look a bit silly. Just Google it.
I'm going to look a bit silly and mention road tax which is not paid by cyclists who are costing us a fortune with their unused cycle paths.
[quote][p][bold]Minguel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]Can we all agree to never mention road tax again on any debate involving cyclists? It 's been covered a hundred times and makes you look a bit silly. Just Google it.[/p][/quote]I'm going to look a bit silly and mention road tax which is not paid by cyclists who are costing us a fortune with their unused cycle paths. bolero
  • Score: -4

3:50pm Thu 8 May 14

MorkofYork says...

How do cyclists manage on roads without yellow lines or a white line painted down the side ?
I'm anti stupid but some things aren't really an issue.
It's not that i'm an offender, i'm just pro freedom.
How do cyclists manage on roads without yellow lines or a white line painted down the side ? I'm anti stupid but some things aren't really an issue. It's not that i'm an offender, i'm just pro freedom. MorkofYork
  • Score: -2

3:50pm Thu 8 May 14

YorkPatrol says...

bolero wrote:
Minguel wrote:
Bailed Out wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
Can we all agree to never mention road tax again on any debate involving cyclists? It 's been covered a hundred times and makes you look a bit silly. Just Google it.
I'm going to look a bit silly and mention road tax which is not paid by cyclists who are costing us a fortune with their unused cycle paths.
The problem is that the council stupidly think that building more cycle paths will have everyone jumping out of their cars onto totally impractical bikes for their daily transport needs.

People who can, want to and are physically able to are already riding their push irons – those who aren’t, can’t, don’t want and are unable to therefore can not be persuaded otherwise resulting in wasted millions building unused infrastructure
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Minguel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]Can we all agree to never mention road tax again on any debate involving cyclists? It 's been covered a hundred times and makes you look a bit silly. Just Google it.[/p][/quote]I'm going to look a bit silly and mention road tax which is not paid by cyclists who are costing us a fortune with their unused cycle paths.[/p][/quote]The problem is that the council stupidly think that building more cycle paths will have everyone jumping out of their cars onto totally impractical bikes for their daily transport needs. People who can, want to and are physically able to are already riding their push irons – those who aren’t, can’t, don’t want and are unable to therefore can not be persuaded otherwise resulting in wasted millions building unused infrastructure YorkPatrol
  • Score: -3

4:02pm Thu 8 May 14

MorkofYork says...

It's like they paint a line down the road and personal responsibility goes out the window. "this is my line, block it and you're wrong". We're supposed to be working together on the roads not segregating ourselves. I've seen cyclists complaining at traffic lights because someone's in the cycle lane and they can't skip to the front of the queue. God forbid they have to wait their turn like the rest of us.

The pro cyclists create a lot of their own problems.
It's like they paint a line down the road and personal responsibility goes out the window. "this is my line, block it and you're wrong". We're supposed to be working together on the roads not segregating ourselves. I've seen cyclists complaining at traffic lights because someone's in the cycle lane and they can't skip to the front of the queue. God forbid they have to wait their turn like the rest of us. The pro cyclists create a lot of their own problems. MorkofYork
  • Score: -1

4:30pm Thu 8 May 14

paulrobinson21 says...

I used to cycle around York all the time and with the exception of the odd person I never really had too many problems with other road users. Now driving around a lot more often with work I've noticed cyclists are not exactly angels of the road. If anyone has ever seen a cyclist in York actually stop at a red light rather than just hopping onto the path or going through regardless then I'd be pretty surprised! Riding in groups rather than single file is also a bit frustrating, whilst cutting in and out from the side of the road is just beyond me.
I used to cycle around York all the time and with the exception of the odd person I never really had too many problems with other road users. Now driving around a lot more often with work I've noticed cyclists are not exactly angels of the road. If anyone has ever seen a cyclist in York actually stop at a red light rather than just hopping onto the path or going through regardless then I'd be pretty surprised! Riding in groups rather than single file is also a bit frustrating, whilst cutting in and out from the side of the road is just beyond me. paulrobinson21
  • Score: 1

4:34pm Thu 8 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul stated in his comment - Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined.

Well if you study the clip on YouTube you can clearly see that this cyclists is cycling with one hand in pocket therefore not in proper control of his cycle, the car must have overtaken well before the corner as the cyclist is along side a car that is behind the car that is turning, the car is indicating its intention to turn and has already started its turn whilst the cyclist is still away off the turning car, but he just completly ignores the situation and carries on, now you tell me pp do you really think the motorist was in the wrong, for if you do then it's true what all others say about you i.e. you are just anti car to the core.
pedalling paul stated in his comment - Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined. Well if you study the clip on YouTube you can clearly see that this cyclists is cycling with one hand in pocket therefore not in proper control of his cycle, the car must have overtaken well before the corner as the cyclist is along side a car that is behind the car that is turning, the car is indicating its intention to turn and has already started its turn whilst the cyclist is still away off the turning car, but he just completly ignores the situation and carries on, now you tell me pp do you really think the motorist was in the wrong, for if you do then it's true what all others say about you i.e. you are just anti car to the core. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 2

6:37pm Thu 8 May 14

CarefulCyclist says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
The little GoPro camera he has used are appearing everywhere these days, especially filming adrenaline boost sports. I was passed on the double bend at the bottom of Garrowby Hill on the A166 by a speeding motorcyclist wearing one of these cameras on his helmet. He crossed a double white line to pass me doing 70 mph. He was obviously in an excited rush and filming his crazy exploits as he raced towards York doing in excess of 100 mph at times. In my opinion the camera was spurring him to take road risks in order to produce a more exciting film for YouTube kudos. I suggest that there may be some temptation for the GoPro cyclist here to take a few "risks" over the next few months trying to get the "money shots" that'll appear in "York Drivers Behaving Badly-Part Two". We'll see.
I’ve seen this idiot with the camera a few times and he does just that. The last time I saw him he deliberately biked into the path of a car screaming and shouting waving his fist about like a deranged imbecile. He was riding too fast, believed he had priority over everything and everyone and was blatantly trying to make a point for his silly little video. It was a similar story the previous time I saw him – he was simply acting in aid of his footage

This lunatic is either going to end up hurt or like some people state “filled in” and he’ll only have himself to blame. Let’s hope his gopro captures the footage
Not me YorkPatrol, I don't scream at other road users, I cycle safely, my aim is to get all road users to respect each other . Your posts are full of aggression, are you an aggressive road user?
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: The little GoPro camera he has used are appearing everywhere these days, especially filming adrenaline boost sports. I was passed on the double bend at the bottom of Garrowby Hill on the A166 by a speeding motorcyclist wearing one of these cameras on his helmet. He crossed a double white line to pass me doing 70 mph. He was obviously in an excited rush and filming his crazy exploits as he raced towards York doing in excess of 100 mph at times. In my opinion the camera was spurring him to take road risks in order to produce a more exciting film for YouTube kudos. I suggest that there may be some temptation for the GoPro cyclist here to take a few "risks" over the next few months trying to get the "money shots" that'll appear in "York Drivers Behaving Badly-Part Two". We'll see.[/p][/quote]I’ve seen this idiot with the camera a few times and he does just that. The last time I saw him he deliberately biked into the path of a car screaming and shouting waving his fist about like a deranged imbecile. He was riding too fast, believed he had priority over everything and everyone and was blatantly trying to make a point for his silly little video. It was a similar story the previous time I saw him – he was simply acting in aid of his footage This lunatic is either going to end up hurt or like some people state “filled in” and he’ll only have himself to blame. Let’s hope his gopro captures the footage[/p][/quote]Not me YorkPatrol, I don't scream at other road users, I cycle safely, my aim is to get all road users to respect each other . Your posts are full of aggression, are you an aggressive road user? CarefulCyclist
  • Score: 1

7:45pm Thu 8 May 14

MorkofYork says...

I'm not even really bothered what cyclists do either. What does it matter to me if one hops onto the path to skip a light ? It makes no difference to me what-so-ever. People should have and will take these little freedoms. I'm happy we live in a country that people feel like they can do that.

Stupidity is a different problem, like the guy parked at 45 degrees lol. I won't complain if people like this are dealt with.
I'm not even really bothered what cyclists do either. What does it matter to me if one hops onto the path to skip a light ? It makes no difference to me what-so-ever. People should have and will take these little freedoms. I'm happy we live in a country that people feel like they can do that. Stupidity is a different problem, like the guy parked at 45 degrees lol. I won't complain if people like this are dealt with. MorkofYork
  • Score: 1

7:57pm Thu 8 May 14

John Cossham says...

Minguel wrote:
I'm afraid that some of thse are just bad cycling. You cannnot expect everything to just move out of your way. In the first ten seconds there is a van that pulls across you from what looks like Bootham. It as already started to turn before you come bombing out from the side of anothr van on the sme side of the road. I'm a cyclist and motorist and like most realise that ou need mutual respect for the shared space. Same with the bus on the roundabout - it had already started it's manouver well before you got there!
What bus? What roundabout? The bus turning right out of Coppergate into Nessgate (one minute into the vid) is doing so with some disregard for the cyclist coming up Clifford St. However, when this has happened to me, and this exact manoeuvre has happened to me several times, I usually wave the bus on, and then go to the right of the bus and overtake on Nessgate or after the left turn into Low Ousegate.

So, this instance IS a (bus) driver 'behaving badly' but,in my opinion, not the worst offence on the video.
[quote][p][bold]Minguel[/bold] wrote: I'm afraid that some of thse are just bad cycling. You cannnot expect everything to just move out of your way. In the first ten seconds there is a van that pulls across you from what looks like Bootham. It as already started to turn before you come bombing out from the side of anothr van on the sme side of the road. I'm a cyclist and motorist and like most realise that ou need mutual respect for the shared space. Same with the bus on the roundabout - it had already started it's manouver well before you got there![/p][/quote]What bus? What roundabout? The bus turning right out of Coppergate into Nessgate (one minute into the vid) is doing so with some disregard for the cyclist coming up Clifford St. However, when this has happened to me, and this exact manoeuvre has happened to me several times, I usually wave the bus on, and then go to the right of the bus and overtake on Nessgate or after the left turn into Low Ousegate. So, this instance IS a (bus) driver 'behaving badly' but,in my opinion, not the worst offence on the video. John Cossham
  • Score: 2

8:07pm Thu 8 May 14

pedalling paul says...

We'll be overtaking Lendal Bridge soon with the volume of comments......
We'll be overtaking Lendal Bridge soon with the volume of comments...... pedalling paul
  • Score: -4

8:52pm Thu 8 May 14

Pinza-C55 says...

I can't wait till he does one for pedestrians. To get in shape I will watch this training video
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=iV2ViNJF
ZC8
I can't wait till he does one for pedestrians. To get in shape I will watch this training video https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=iV2ViNJF ZC8 Pinza-C55
  • Score: 0

11:38pm Thu 8 May 14

Magicman! says...

Ralph_ wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
OK so let's settle the taxation issue for the umpteenth time. So-called Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty..a levy on something popular ie car ownership to raise income for HM Government. The income from VED is not ring fenced for roads. A mix of that plus all other national taxes helps the DfT to fund Motorways and strategic trunk roads. We have one of the latter which is the A64 bypass. Every other road in York is Council Tax funded.

Personal liability/third party insurance is obtained by cyclists who choose to become members of CTC or British Cycling. Legal Aid is also a membership benefit, where a collision is someone else's fault.
Many of the cyclists that you see around York are car users as well, who have sensibly opted for two wheels for some local journeys.

No-one has yet suggested that pedestrians should have insurance, but given the numbers who step off kerbs right in front of me with eyes glued to mobile phones, that day should perhaps come.

And on to the video. Not an offence to park on an advisory cycle lane ie one with dotted markings. But when a cyclist needs to deviate past one, give a right shoulder warning look first then pass an open doors width away.

Trying to beat cyclists to pinch points featured in some clips. Road narrowings caused by parked vehicles, pedestrian refuges etc should not be seen as a challenge. If a cyclist is in front of you in that situation, let them get through the narrowin,g before overtaking if it is now safe to. Personally at pinch points, I always move from the secondary to primary position to physically deter overtakers, again preceded by that warning look over the right shoulder. No hand signals.....reserve those for turning off at junctions.

Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined.

Don't get me wrong. The majority of road users show respect and courtesy towards each other. I experience a great deal of this and offer it in return. I let a Park & Ride bus out in front of me on Museum St recently. Thumbs up from the bus driver but a window down and a "effing t**t" from a single occupancy car driver behind me. But which of us was using road capacity most efficiently?

To complete the sequence, we need this guy to film some pedestrian antics.
Great post PP, but I'm no sure the driver in the first clip is at fault. It appeared that the car was indicating left before the cyclist 'undertook' it. Does a cycle lane give priority in this instance?!
If the car is already moving, then no. If I am on the bike and am approaching a red traffic light that I can see is about to turn green (the signs are there if you know what to look for), and there is a car a lit bit ahead that is already indicating to turn, then I hang back and stay behind them - as the liklihood is that they will have started to move before I could get past them, so to complete such a movement would not be wise.
If, on the other hand, I am going past static vehicles and the vehicle next to me suddenly starts to turn left with no form of indication whatsoever, then that is a completely different story.
[quote][p][bold]Ralph_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: OK so let's settle the taxation issue for the umpteenth time. So-called Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty..a levy on something popular ie car ownership to raise income for HM Government. The income from VED is not ring fenced for roads. A mix of that plus all other national taxes helps the DfT to fund Motorways and strategic trunk roads. We have one of the latter which is the A64 bypass. Every other road in York is Council Tax funded. Personal liability/third party insurance is obtained by cyclists who choose to become members of CTC or British Cycling. Legal Aid is also a membership benefit, where a collision is someone else's fault. Many of the cyclists that you see around York are car users as well, who have sensibly opted for two wheels for some local journeys. No-one has yet suggested that pedestrians should have insurance, but given the numbers who step off kerbs right in front of me with eyes glued to mobile phones, that day should perhaps come. And on to the video. Not an offence to park on an advisory cycle lane ie one with dotted markings. But when a cyclist needs to deviate past one, give a right shoulder warning look first then pass an open doors width away. Trying to beat cyclists to pinch points featured in some clips. Road narrowings caused by parked vehicles, pedestrian refuges etc should not be seen as a challenge. If a cyclist is in front of you in that situation, let them get through the narrowin,g before overtaking if it is now safe to. Personally at pinch points, I always move from the secondary to primary position to physically deter overtakers, again preceded by that warning look over the right shoulder. No hand signals.....reserve those for turning off at junctions. Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined. Don't get me wrong. The majority of road users show respect and courtesy towards each other. I experience a great deal of this and offer it in return. I let a Park & Ride bus out in front of me on Museum St recently. Thumbs up from the bus driver but a window down and a "effing t**t" from a single occupancy car driver behind me. But which of us was using road capacity most efficiently? To complete the sequence, we need this guy to film some pedestrian antics.[/p][/quote]Great post PP, but I'm no sure the driver in the first clip is at fault. It appeared that the car was indicating left before the cyclist 'undertook' it. Does a cycle lane give priority in this instance?![/p][/quote]If the car is already moving, then no. If I am on the bike and am approaching a red traffic light that I can see is about to turn green (the signs are there if you know what to look for), and there is a car a lit bit ahead that is already indicating to turn, then I hang back and stay behind them - as the liklihood is that they will have started to move before I could get past them, so to complete such a movement would not be wise. If, on the other hand, I am going past static vehicles and the vehicle next to me suddenly starts to turn left with no form of indication whatsoever, then that is a completely different story. Magicman!
  • Score: 4

6:50am Fri 9 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Magicman! wrote:
Ralph_ wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
OK so let's settle the taxation issue for the umpteenth time. So-called Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty..a levy on something popular ie car ownership to raise income for HM Government. The income from VED is not ring fenced for roads. A mix of that plus all other national taxes helps the DfT to fund Motorways and strategic trunk roads. We have one of the latter which is the A64 bypass. Every other road in York is Council Tax funded.

Personal liability/third party insurance is obtained by cyclists who choose to become members of CTC or British Cycling. Legal Aid is also a membership benefit, where a collision is someone else's fault.
Many of the cyclists that you see around York are car users as well, who have sensibly opted for two wheels for some local journeys.

No-one has yet suggested that pedestrians should have insurance, but given the numbers who step off kerbs right in front of me with eyes glued to mobile phones, that day should perhaps come.

And on to the video. Not an offence to park on an advisory cycle lane ie one with dotted markings. But when a cyclist needs to deviate past one, give a right shoulder warning look first then pass an open doors width away.

Trying to beat cyclists to pinch points featured in some clips. Road narrowings caused by parked vehicles, pedestrian refuges etc should not be seen as a challenge. If a cyclist is in front of you in that situation, let them get through the narrowin,g before overtaking if it is now safe to. Personally at pinch points, I always move from the secondary to primary position to physically deter overtakers, again preceded by that warning look over the right shoulder. No hand signals.....reserve those for turning off at junctions.

Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined.

Don't get me wrong. The majority of road users show respect and courtesy towards each other. I experience a great deal of this and offer it in return. I let a Park & Ride bus out in front of me on Museum St recently. Thumbs up from the bus driver but a window down and a "effing t**t" from a single occupancy car driver behind me. But which of us was using road capacity most efficiently?

To complete the sequence, we need this guy to film some pedestrian antics.
Great post PP, but I'm no sure the driver in the first clip is at fault. It appeared that the car was indicating left before the cyclist 'undertook' it. Does a cycle lane give priority in this instance?!
If the car is already moving, then no. If I am on the bike and am approaching a red traffic light that I can see is about to turn green (the signs are there if you know what to look for), and there is a car a lit bit ahead that is already indicating to turn, then I hang back and stay behind them - as the liklihood is that they will have started to move before I could get past them, so to complete such a movement would not be wise.
If, on the other hand, I am going past static vehicles and the vehicle next to me suddenly starts to turn left with no form of indication whatsoever, then that is a completely different story.
Magicman! - If you study the clip on YouTube you can clearly see that this cyclists is cycling with one hand in pocket therefore not in proper control of his cycle, the car must have overtaken well before the corner as the cyclist is along side a car that is behind the car that is turning, the car is indicating its intention to turn and has already started its turn whilst the cyclist is still away off the turning car, but he just completly ignores the situation and carries on, now you tell me pp do you really think the motorist was in the wrong?.
The chap who published these camera clips has shortened this particular one, go on YouTube, the cyclist is in this instance wrong, he is not even a responsible cyclist, but one that give other cyclist a bad name.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ralph_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: OK so let's settle the taxation issue for the umpteenth time. So-called Road Tax is actually Vehicle Excise Duty..a levy on something popular ie car ownership to raise income for HM Government. The income from VED is not ring fenced for roads. A mix of that plus all other national taxes helps the DfT to fund Motorways and strategic trunk roads. We have one of the latter which is the A64 bypass. Every other road in York is Council Tax funded. Personal liability/third party insurance is obtained by cyclists who choose to become members of CTC or British Cycling. Legal Aid is also a membership benefit, where a collision is someone else's fault. Many of the cyclists that you see around York are car users as well, who have sensibly opted for two wheels for some local journeys. No-one has yet suggested that pedestrians should have insurance, but given the numbers who step off kerbs right in front of me with eyes glued to mobile phones, that day should perhaps come. And on to the video. Not an offence to park on an advisory cycle lane ie one with dotted markings. But when a cyclist needs to deviate past one, give a right shoulder warning look first then pass an open doors width away. Trying to beat cyclists to pinch points featured in some clips. Road narrowings caused by parked vehicles, pedestrian refuges etc should not be seen as a challenge. If a cyclist is in front of you in that situation, let them get through the narrowin,g before overtaking if it is now safe to. Personally at pinch points, I always move from the secondary to primary position to physically deter overtakers, again preceded by that warning look over the right shoulder. No hand signals.....reserve those for turning off at junctions. Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined. Don't get me wrong. The majority of road users show respect and courtesy towards each other. I experience a great deal of this and offer it in return. I let a Park & Ride bus out in front of me on Museum St recently. Thumbs up from the bus driver but a window down and a "effing t**t" from a single occupancy car driver behind me. But which of us was using road capacity most efficiently? To complete the sequence, we need this guy to film some pedestrian antics.[/p][/quote]Great post PP, but I'm no sure the driver in the first clip is at fault. It appeared that the car was indicating left before the cyclist 'undertook' it. Does a cycle lane give priority in this instance?![/p][/quote]If the car is already moving, then no. If I am on the bike and am approaching a red traffic light that I can see is about to turn green (the signs are there if you know what to look for), and there is a car a lit bit ahead that is already indicating to turn, then I hang back and stay behind them - as the liklihood is that they will have started to move before I could get past them, so to complete such a movement would not be wise. If, on the other hand, I am going past static vehicles and the vehicle next to me suddenly starts to turn left with no form of indication whatsoever, then that is a completely different story.[/p][/quote]Magicman! - If you study the clip on YouTube you can clearly see that this cyclists is cycling with one hand in pocket therefore not in proper control of his cycle, the car must have overtaken well before the corner as the cyclist is along side a car that is behind the car that is turning, the car is indicating its intention to turn and has already started its turn whilst the cyclist is still away off the turning car, but he just completly ignores the situation and carries on, now you tell me pp do you really think the motorist was in the wrong?. The chap who published these camera clips has shortened this particular one, go on YouTube, the cyclist is in this instance wrong, he is not even a responsible cyclist, but one that give other cyclist a bad name. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 4

7:03am Fri 9 May 14

blackcabbie says...

All these comments and not one dig against taxi drivers? There must be someone out there who can't refrain any longer. :)
All these comments and not one dig against taxi drivers? There must be someone out there who can't refrain any longer. :) blackcabbie
  • Score: 0

7:29am Fri 9 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

I honestly think we need to be very wary of reading too much into these published camera clips, as they can be edited by the publisher to give the wrong impression, as I have commented, the first clip is not in it's entirety and gives the impression the car driver is in the wrong, which if you view it on YouTube it shows the truth.
It's sad that these cameras are being used in this way, I have one in my car but its there in case of accident so it can be viewed by the insurance company if there is a dispute.
I honestly think we need to be very wary of reading too much into these published camera clips, as they can be edited by the publisher to give the wrong impression, as I have commented, the first clip is not in it's entirety and gives the impression the car driver is in the wrong, which if you view it on YouTube it shows the truth. It's sad that these cameras are being used in this way, I have one in my car but its there in case of accident so it can be viewed by the insurance company if there is a dispute. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 1

7:50am Fri 9 May 14

redchick says...

malonemalone wrote:
when you start paying road tax and insurance then you might be allowed an opinion , until then get over it
I do pay car tax and insurance but choose to cycle to work as it is much more efficient than sitting in traffic for hours...most cyclists own a car and are, therefore, paying car tax and insurance.
[quote][p][bold]malonemalone[/bold] wrote: when you start paying road tax and insurance then you might be allowed an opinion , until then get over it[/p][/quote]I do pay car tax and insurance but choose to cycle to work as it is much more efficient than sitting in traffic for hours...most cyclists own a car and are, therefore, paying car tax and insurance. redchick
  • Score: 0

9:32am Fri 9 May 14

fixedfanatic says...

As a commuting and leisure cyclist I loath moaning cyclists, get a life. Wear a camera by all means use it as evidence if you get knocked off but don't bother publishing it.

Cycling is always going to have an element of danger to it as you are exposed and at times vulnerable but the freedom it offers far outweighs this. God forbid you ever pedalled in a big city, you may encounter all sorts of non indicating & overtaking machines.
As a commuting and leisure cyclist I loath moaning cyclists, get a life. Wear a camera by all means use it as evidence if you get knocked off but don't bother publishing it. Cycling is always going to have an element of danger to it as you are exposed and at times vulnerable but the freedom it offers far outweighs this. God forbid you ever pedalled in a big city, you may encounter all sorts of non indicating & overtaking machines. fixedfanatic
  • Score: -2

10:34am Fri 9 May 14

the original Homer says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
pedalling paul stated in his comment - Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined.

Well if you study the clip on YouTube you can clearly see that this cyclists is cycling with one hand in pocket therefore not in proper control of his cycle, the car must have overtaken well before the corner as the cyclist is along side a car that is behind the car that is turning, the car is indicating its intention to turn and has already started its turn whilst the cyclist is still away off the turning car, but he just completly ignores the situation and carries on, now you tell me pp do you really think the motorist was in the wrong, for if you do then it's true what all others say about you i.e. you are just anti car to the core.
PP said
Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb.

NonPP said
Well if you study the clip on YouTube you can clearly see that this cyclists is cycling with one hand in pocket therefore not in proper control of his cycle, the car must have overtaken well before the corner as the cyclist is along side a car that is behind the car that is turning, the car is indicating its intention to turn and has already started its turn whilst the cyclist is still away off the turning car, but he just completely ignores the situation and carries on, now you tell me pp do you really think the motorist was in the wrong, for if you do then it's true what all others say about you i.e. you are just anti car to the core.

This is why we all need to think for the other road user as well as for ourselves. I can see where both interpretations are coming from, and I can see why both think they are right.

In my opinion, it comes down literally to a fine line - that of whether the cycle lane white line is solid or broken. Being realistic, we have to accept that many road users (cyclists / drivers) don't know the difference the line style makes, so they are going to get it wrong.

Ultimately, even if that cyclist thought he was in the right, he should have seen well ahead that the Saab was turning left and he should have slowed down to let that happen. Whether he carried on because he wasn't looking or just to try to prove a point we don't know, but it wasn't a good idea either way.

In that particular example, the cyclist puts himself in danger, and (as it's a dotted line cycle lane) he was technically in the wrong (but I don't blame him for not knowing that). The Saab driver was in the right, and had no obligation to give way to the cycle, but he did still have an opportunity to see the cyclist if he had double-checked at the crucial point and he could have stopped just before he turned .

It's a bad clip to put forward under the banner of bad driving, as the driver was probably driving up to the required standard, and the cyclist probably wasn't cycling to the required standard.

It does however highlight why we all need to think more about safety and less about right vs wrong.

Humour me for a minute, view the video again, and imagine yourself as the cyclist. Forget what you think the Saab driver should do, and just think could you as the cyclist have made things safer.

Now view it again and imagine yourself as the Saab driver. Forget what you think the cyclist should do,and just think could you as the car driver have made things safer.

That;s how we need to think when we're driving or cycling. Someone earlier said they were told to assume every other road user was an idiot. Maybe that's extreme, but we should certainly assume that other road users won't always do what we think they should do.
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: pedalling paul stated in his comment - Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left right in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. Try that with me and my legal aid scheme might see you in Court. A motorist who recently overtook a group of right turning cyclists on the offside (not in York) was filmed by a helmet camera, prosecuted and heavily fined. Well if you study the clip on YouTube you can clearly see that this cyclists is cycling with one hand in pocket therefore not in proper control of his cycle, the car must have overtaken well before the corner as the cyclist is along side a car that is behind the car that is turning, the car is indicating its intention to turn and has already started its turn whilst the cyclist is still away off the turning car, but he just completly ignores the situation and carries on, now you tell me pp do you really think the motorist was in the wrong, for if you do then it's true what all others say about you i.e. you are just anti car to the core.[/p][/quote]PP said Near the start of the video sequence, there was a perfect example of a "left hook" along Bootham. A left turning driver passed a cyclist immediately before the junction and then turned left in front, forcing the cyclist who intended going straight ahead, into the kerb. NonPP said Well if you study the clip on YouTube you can clearly see that this cyclists is cycling with one hand in pocket therefore not in proper control of his cycle, the car must have overtaken well before the corner as the cyclist is along side a car that is behind the car that is turning, the car is indicating its intention to turn and has already started its turn whilst the cyclist is still away off the turning car, but he just completely ignores the situation and carries on, now you tell me pp do you really think the motorist was in the wrong, for if you do then it's true what all others say about you i.e. you are just anti car to the core. This is why we all need to think for the other road user as well as for ourselves. I can see where both interpretations are coming from, and I can see why both think they are right. In my opinion, it comes down literally to a fine line - that of whether the cycle lane white line is solid or broken. Being realistic, we have to accept that many road users (cyclists / drivers) don't know the difference the line style makes, so they are going to get it wrong. Ultimately, even if that cyclist thought he was in the right, he should have seen well ahead that the Saab was turning left and he should have slowed down to let that happen. Whether he carried on because he wasn't looking or just to try to prove a point we don't know, but it wasn't a good idea either way. In that particular example, the cyclist puts himself in danger, and (as it's a dotted line cycle lane) he was technically in the wrong (but I don't blame him for not knowing that). The Saab driver was in the right, and had no obligation to give way to the cycle, but he did still have an opportunity to see the cyclist if he had double-checked at the crucial point and he could have stopped just before he turned . It's a bad clip to put forward under the banner of bad driving, as the driver was probably driving up to the required standard, and the cyclist probably wasn't cycling to the required standard. It does however highlight why we all need to think more about safety and less about right vs wrong. Humour me for a minute, view the video again, and imagine yourself as the cyclist. Forget what you think the Saab driver should do, and just think could you as the cyclist have made things safer. Now view it again and imagine yourself as the Saab driver. Forget what you think the cyclist should do,and just think could you as the car driver have made things safer. That;s how we need to think when we're driving or cycling. Someone earlier said they were told to assume every other road user was an idiot. Maybe that's extreme, but we should certainly assume that other road users won't always do what we think they should do. the original Homer
  • Score: 4

10:46am Fri 9 May 14

YorkPatrol says...

CarefulCyclist wrote:
YorkPatrol wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote: The little GoPro camera he has used are appearing everywhere these days, especially filming adrenaline boost sports. I was passed on the double bend at the bottom of Garrowby Hill on the A166 by a speeding motorcyclist wearing one of these cameras on his helmet. He crossed a double white line to pass me doing 70 mph. He was obviously in an excited rush and filming his crazy exploits as he raced towards York doing in excess of 100 mph at times. In my opinion the camera was spurring him to take road risks in order to produce a more exciting film for YouTube kudos. I suggest that there may be some temptation for the GoPro cyclist here to take a few "risks" over the next few months trying to get the "money shots" that'll appear in "York Drivers Behaving Badly-Part Two". We'll see.
I’ve seen this idiot with the camera a few times and he does just that. The last time I saw him he deliberately biked into the path of a car screaming and shouting waving his fist about like a deranged imbecile. He was riding too fast, believed he had priority over everything and everyone and was blatantly trying to make a point for his silly little video. It was a similar story the previous time I saw him – he was simply acting in aid of his footage This lunatic is either going to end up hurt or like some people state “filled in” and he’ll only have himself to blame. Let’s hope his gopro captures the footage
Not me YorkPatrol, I don't scream at other road users, I cycle safely, my aim is to get all road users to respect each other . Your posts are full of aggression, are you an aggressive road user?
Being an ex racing driver I could be deemed as an aggressive driver but only towards those people who fall into the following category’s (regardless of their chosen mode of transport);

1) Not concentrating
2) No consideration to other road users
3) Lacking in awareness
4) Not following basic highway code principles
5) Driving too slowing
6) Making silly and unnecessary video footage that serves no purpose other than highlighting the individuals mental state
[quote][p][bold]CarefulCyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: The little GoPro camera he has used are appearing everywhere these days, especially filming adrenaline boost sports. I was passed on the double bend at the bottom of Garrowby Hill on the A166 by a speeding motorcyclist wearing one of these cameras on his helmet. He crossed a double white line to pass me doing 70 mph. He was obviously in an excited rush and filming his crazy exploits as he raced towards York doing in excess of 100 mph at times. In my opinion the camera was spurring him to take road risks in order to produce a more exciting film for YouTube kudos. I suggest that there may be some temptation for the GoPro cyclist here to take a few "risks" over the next few months trying to get the "money shots" that'll appear in "York Drivers Behaving Badly-Part Two". We'll see.[/p][/quote]I’ve seen this idiot with the camera a few times and he does just that. The last time I saw him he deliberately biked into the path of a car screaming and shouting waving his fist about like a deranged imbecile. He was riding too fast, believed he had priority over everything and everyone and was blatantly trying to make a point for his silly little video. It was a similar story the previous time I saw him – he was simply acting in aid of his footage This lunatic is either going to end up hurt or like some people state “filled in” and he’ll only have himself to blame. Let’s hope his gopro captures the footage[/p][/quote]Not me YorkPatrol, I don't scream at other road users, I cycle safely, my aim is to get all road users to respect each other . Your posts are full of aggression, are you an aggressive road user?[/p][/quote]Being an ex racing driver I could be deemed as an aggressive driver but only towards those people who fall into the following category’s (regardless of their chosen mode of transport); 1) Not concentrating 2) No consideration to other road users 3) Lacking in awareness 4) Not following basic highway code principles 5) Driving too slowing 6) Making silly and unnecessary video footage that serves no purpose other than highlighting the individuals mental state YorkPatrol
  • Score: 3

11:36am Fri 9 May 14

kwalsh says...

If only cyclists were perfect and understood the Highway Code and only used designated lanes and dismounted when signs tell them to - including those at the passageway on the southern side of Scarborough Bridge.
If only cyclists were perfect and understood the Highway Code and only used designated lanes and dismounted when signs tell them to - including those at the passageway on the southern side of Scarborough Bridge. kwalsh
  • Score: 0

12:30pm Fri 9 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

the original Homer - From your comment I can see where your coming from, and I am glad you agree it is not a good clip, but it has been shortened and does not show all the true facts that is why I viewed it on YouTube where the original clip has been published.
PP hits car drivers straight in the eye with his comment 'a perfect example of a Left Hook along Bootham' when it wasn't at all like that.
I have said in a previous comment, we road users all need to be more tolerant of each other, whether that is riding a cycle or driving a motor vehicle and I personally dont think publishing video clips like this helps anyone, and its certainly not what these cameras were itended for.
the original Homer - From your comment I can see where your coming from, and I am glad you agree it is not a good clip, but it has been shortened and does not show all the true facts that is why I viewed it on YouTube where the original clip has been published. PP hits car drivers straight in the eye with his comment 'a perfect example of a Left Hook along Bootham' when it wasn't at all like that. I have said in a previous comment, we road users all need to be more tolerant of each other, whether that is riding a cycle or driving a motor vehicle and I personally dont think publishing video clips like this helps anyone, and its certainly not what these cameras were itended for. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 1

1:05pm Fri 9 May 14

chunkyyorkie says...

Most of us who cycle round York could make a 3 minute film each day of 'incidents', I'm surprised it took him 3 months to gather!
Most of us who cycle round York could make a 3 minute film each day of 'incidents', I'm surprised it took him 3 months to gather! chunkyyorkie
  • Score: 3

1:06pm Fri 9 May 14

the original Homer says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
the original Homer - From your comment I can see where your coming from, and I am glad you agree it is not a good clip, but it has been shortened and does not show all the true facts that is why I viewed it on YouTube where the original clip has been published.
PP hits car drivers straight in the eye with his comment 'a perfect example of a Left Hook along Bootham' when it wasn't at all like that.
I have said in a previous comment, we road users all need to be more tolerant of each other, whether that is riding a cycle or driving a motor vehicle and I personally dont think publishing video clips like this helps anyone, and its certainly not what these cameras were itended for.
NPP
I've not seen the YouTube version, but the clip on here shows enough to see that the cyclist could easily have slowed down instead of getting into the situation where he ran out of road.

I really don't want to get into the "us and them" trading comments, but If PP still believes that's a car cutting a bike up then he is out of touch, and I say that as a cyclist myself.

However, I do think that the car driver (whilst not at fault) could have checked twice and seen the bike. He could have stopped and let the bike through, even though he didn't have to.

I was taught that every decision I take on the road should consider:

1 Is it safe?
2 Is it legal?
3 Am I in the right?

I was also taught that if all 3 couldn't be satisfied then the order of priority was as above.

The debate about this kind of use of cameras is a hot potato. It does cause sensationalist headlines, but the end result (when all of us on here have put in our bits) might be a bit more tolerance and safer roads. To me, if even half a dozen drivers start taking that second look then something has been achieved.
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: the original Homer - From your comment I can see where your coming from, and I am glad you agree it is not a good clip, but it has been shortened and does not show all the true facts that is why I viewed it on YouTube where the original clip has been published. PP hits car drivers straight in the eye with his comment 'a perfect example of a Left Hook along Bootham' when it wasn't at all like that. I have said in a previous comment, we road users all need to be more tolerant of each other, whether that is riding a cycle or driving a motor vehicle and I personally dont think publishing video clips like this helps anyone, and its certainly not what these cameras were itended for.[/p][/quote]NPP I've not seen the YouTube version, but the clip on here shows enough to see that the cyclist could easily have slowed down instead of getting into the situation where he ran out of road. I really don't want to get into the "us and them" trading comments, but If PP still believes that's a car cutting a bike up then he is out of touch, and I say that as a cyclist myself. However, I do think that the car driver (whilst not at fault) could have checked twice and seen the bike. He could have stopped and let the bike through, even though he didn't have to. I was taught that every decision I take on the road should consider: 1 Is it safe? 2 Is it legal? 3 Am I in the right? I was also taught that if all 3 couldn't be satisfied then the order of priority was as above. The debate about this kind of use of cameras is a hot potato. It does cause sensationalist headlines, but the end result (when all of us on here have put in our bits) might be a bit more tolerance and safer roads. To me, if even half a dozen drivers start taking that second look then something has been achieved. the original Homer
  • Score: 1

2:07pm Fri 9 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

the original Homer wrote:
notpedallingpaul wrote:
the original Homer - From your comment I can see where your coming from, and I am glad you agree it is not a good clip, but it has been shortened and does not show all the true facts that is why I viewed it on YouTube where the original clip has been published.
PP hits car drivers straight in the eye with his comment 'a perfect example of a Left Hook along Bootham' when it wasn't at all like that.
I have said in a previous comment, we road users all need to be more tolerant of each other, whether that is riding a cycle or driving a motor vehicle and I personally dont think publishing video clips like this helps anyone, and its certainly not what these cameras were itended for.
NPP
I've not seen the YouTube version, but the clip on here shows enough to see that the cyclist could easily have slowed down instead of getting into the situation where he ran out of road.

I really don't want to get into the "us and them" trading comments, but If PP still believes that's a car cutting a bike up then he is out of touch, and I say that as a cyclist myself.

However, I do think that the car driver (whilst not at fault) could have checked twice and seen the bike. He could have stopped and let the bike through, even though he didn't have to.

I was taught that every decision I take on the road should consider:

1 Is it safe?
2 Is it legal?
3 Am I in the right?

I was also taught that if all 3 couldn't be satisfied then the order of priority was as above.

The debate about this kind of use of cameras is a hot potato. It does cause sensationalist headlines, but the end result (when all of us on here have put in our bits) might be a bit more tolerance and safer roads. To me, if even half a dozen drivers start taking that second look then something has been achieved.
Cheers, I'm ok with that, here's to more tolerance and understanding between us all.
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: the original Homer - From your comment I can see where your coming from, and I am glad you agree it is not a good clip, but it has been shortened and does not show all the true facts that is why I viewed it on YouTube where the original clip has been published. PP hits car drivers straight in the eye with his comment 'a perfect example of a Left Hook along Bootham' when it wasn't at all like that. I have said in a previous comment, we road users all need to be more tolerant of each other, whether that is riding a cycle or driving a motor vehicle and I personally dont think publishing video clips like this helps anyone, and its certainly not what these cameras were itended for.[/p][/quote]NPP I've not seen the YouTube version, but the clip on here shows enough to see that the cyclist could easily have slowed down instead of getting into the situation where he ran out of road. I really don't want to get into the "us and them" trading comments, but If PP still believes that's a car cutting a bike up then he is out of touch, and I say that as a cyclist myself. However, I do think that the car driver (whilst not at fault) could have checked twice and seen the bike. He could have stopped and let the bike through, even though he didn't have to. I was taught that every decision I take on the road should consider: 1 Is it safe? 2 Is it legal? 3 Am I in the right? I was also taught that if all 3 couldn't be satisfied then the order of priority was as above. The debate about this kind of use of cameras is a hot potato. It does cause sensationalist headlines, but the end result (when all of us on here have put in our bits) might be a bit more tolerance and safer roads. To me, if even half a dozen drivers start taking that second look then something has been achieved.[/p][/quote]Cheers, I'm ok with that, here's to more tolerance and understanding between us all. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 1

3:00pm Fri 9 May 14

YorkPatrol says...

chunkyyorkie wrote:
Most of us who cycle round York could make a 3 minute film each day of 'incidents', I'm surprised it took him 3 months to gather!
I doubt it but if you are really witnessing so many “incidents” each day I suggest you look a bit closer to home and perhaps review your method of transport or at least re-familiarise yourself with the highway code
[quote][p][bold]chunkyyorkie[/bold] wrote: Most of us who cycle round York could make a 3 minute film each day of 'incidents', I'm surprised it took him 3 months to gather![/p][/quote]I doubt it but if you are really witnessing so many “incidents” each day I suggest you look a bit closer to home and perhaps review your method of transport or at least re-familiarise yourself with the highway code YorkPatrol
  • Score: -3

4:08pm Fri 9 May 14

Richmc76 says...

The cars in the cycle lane on bootham are perfectly in their right if loading and unloading and since 2 where taxis we can assume they where. This cyclist is an idiot who is over reacting to some of the incidents. Some are shocking and highlight the problems cyclists encounter every day but for me if he's posting on youtube and the press are going to get involved they both should check the rules and regulations that they think (wrongly) are being broken.
The cars in the cycle lane on bootham are perfectly in their right if loading and unloading and since 2 where taxis we can assume they where. This cyclist is an idiot who is over reacting to some of the incidents. Some are shocking and highlight the problems cyclists encounter every day but for me if he's posting on youtube and the press are going to get involved they both should check the rules and regulations that they think (wrongly) are being broken. Richmc76
  • Score: -1

6:42pm Fri 9 May 14

chunkyyorkie says...

To YorkPatrol
Are you some kind of demented dimwit? Well of course you are! How else you could you possibly make such wrong assumptions and incorrect accusations? You have no knowledge or foundation to form a sensible opinion of me, so it is plain foolish of you to decide things with zero facts.
Firstly you have reacted in a manner that you presume my comment was in any way a complaint or moan about drivers. It wasn’t.
Secondly why doubt my statement that its common and widespread to see bad habits and silly antics on the roads of York every day? I have no need to lie and you have no idea where I commute from and to so no clue as to what I see.
Thirdly you really need to think; pedestrians walking in the road without looking, drivers who don’t indicate, drive through red lights, speed, talk on handheld mobiles or sit looking at tablets, or cyclists with no brakes, no lights, riding on footpaths, no hands, going through red lights etc are all doing these things by themselves, in no way are they being influence from me. Again I’ll make it perfectly clear none of these antics am I complaining about – I am indifferent to it and accept it happily. So suggesting that I look closer to home for noticing these antics suggests you are somewhat lacking….how do I have the power to make humans do these things you fool? I have biked into York daily for the past 30 years but I am not a cycle crusader. I choose the transport method to commute but as also an advanced motorist and motorcyclist I am fully conversant with all aspects of the Highway Code and have not had a single accident yet. So again you are unwise in hinting that my abilities are in some way to blame or that my road knowledge needs some help.
For what its worth, I find the youtube film pointless, it serves no real purpose and the individual has too much spare time on his hands and probably other issues too. My attitude is always to ride/drive defensively and keep myself safe and well. I have no interest in been laid up in hospital saying that I had right of way so ploughed on into the traffic, so other peoples habits or antics don’t annoy me. York drivers are no better or worse than they have ever been, its always been the same things.
Can I suggest to save yourself from coming accross as a very large plonker and before making uninformed and therefore incorrect assumptions in future maybe think before you type. If ANY one point you aimed at me were in the slightest part correct I then I’d accept difference of opinion but you are 100% wrong and needed telling so.
To YorkPatrol Are you some kind of demented dimwit? Well of course you are! How else you could you possibly make such wrong assumptions and incorrect accusations? You have no knowledge or foundation to form a sensible opinion of me, so it is plain foolish of you to decide things with zero facts. Firstly you have reacted in a manner that you presume my comment was in any way a complaint or moan about drivers. It wasn’t. Secondly why doubt my statement that its common and widespread to see bad habits and silly antics on the roads of York every day? I have no need to lie and you have no idea where I commute from and to so no clue as to what I see. Thirdly you really need to think; pedestrians walking in the road without looking, drivers who don’t indicate, drive through red lights, speed, talk on handheld mobiles or sit looking at tablets, or cyclists with no brakes, no lights, riding on footpaths, no hands, going through red lights etc are all doing these things by themselves, in no way are they being influence from me. Again I’ll make it perfectly clear none of these antics am I complaining about – I am indifferent to it and accept it happily. So suggesting that I look closer to home for noticing these antics suggests you are somewhat lacking….how do I have the power to make humans do these things you fool? I have biked into York daily for the past 30 years but I am not a cycle crusader. I choose the transport method to commute but as also an advanced motorist and motorcyclist I am fully conversant with all aspects of the Highway Code and have not had a single accident yet. So again you are unwise in hinting that my abilities are in some way to blame or that my road knowledge needs some help. For what its worth, I find the youtube film pointless, it serves no real purpose and the individual has too much spare time on his hands and probably other issues too. My attitude is always to ride/drive defensively and keep myself safe and well. I have no interest in been laid up in hospital saying that I had right of way so ploughed on into the traffic, so other peoples habits or antics don’t annoy me. York drivers are no better or worse than they have ever been, its always been the same things. Can I suggest to save yourself from coming accross as a very large plonker and before making uninformed and therefore incorrect assumptions in future maybe think before you type. If ANY one point you aimed at me were in the slightest part correct I then I’d accept difference of opinion but you are 100% wrong and needed telling so. chunkyyorkie
  • Score: 4

9:03pm Fri 9 May 14

daveyboy25 says...

Cyclists are the worst road users cyclists should be filmed, they are an accident waiting to happen
Cyclists are the worst road users cyclists should be filmed, they are an accident waiting to happen daveyboy25
  • Score: -3

8:10am Tue 13 May 14

sniper 9964 says...

Judging by a lot of the locations of this idiots footage. I d say he works / lives around hull rd - Melrosegate area
Judging by a lot of the locations of this idiots footage. I d say he works / lives around hull rd - Melrosegate area sniper 9964
  • Score: -1

10:15am Tue 13 May 14

purelobo says...

typical biased press coverage.for every one of these photos i could give you 50 of cyclists breaking the law.last year i took a camera and went about 200yards from my home onto fulford rd.i soon got bored clicking away because there were so many misdemeanours and this is on a road where there are 2 cycle lanes on the road and on part has another on the path.with all the traffic lights and pedestrian crossings the cyclists don t bother to learn the rules of the road they just press the little button and stop the traffic.
typical biased press coverage.for every one of these photos i could give you 50 of cyclists breaking the law.last year i took a camera and went about 200yards from my home onto fulford rd.i soon got bored clicking away because there were so many misdemeanours and this is on a road where there are 2 cycle lanes on the road and on part has another on the path.with all the traffic lights and pedestrian crossings the cyclists don t bother to learn the rules of the road they just press the little button and stop the traffic. purelobo
  • Score: -1

12:56pm Tue 13 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Where was the council camera car to-day when a York council van was doing 30mph in a 20mph limit? On Bishy rd 1055am.
Where was the council camera car to-day when a York council van was doing 30mph in a 20mph limit? On Bishy rd 1055am. Cheeky face
  • Score: 1

8:52pm Tue 13 May 14

Misty4 says...

mitch2nd wrote:
Yes lots of bad drivers in York I also see them jumping red lights and just hope they crash when I see them do this, people on phones also, the ones I see have kids in the car also, great parents.

The only one problem with the film is that it does show a roundabout and the car has the right of way but the filming cyclist ignores that himself and pulls out in front of him, so who bad now??
You must have been watching this with the sound off. The problem with the car and cyclist on the roundabout is that the car didn't indicate. If you put the sound on you will hear the cyclist telling the driver that he needs to use his indicator.
[quote][p][bold]mitch2nd[/bold] wrote: Yes lots of bad drivers in York I also see them jumping red lights and just hope they crash when I see them do this, people on phones also, the ones I see have kids in the car also, great parents. The only one problem with the film is that it does show a roundabout and the car has the right of way but the filming cyclist ignores that himself and pulls out in front of him, so who bad now??[/p][/quote]You must have been watching this with the sound off. The problem with the car and cyclist on the roundabout is that the car didn't indicate. If you put the sound on you will hear the cyclist telling the driver that he needs to use his indicator. Misty4
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10:50am Fri 16 May 14

hirsty says...

Bailed Out wrote:
Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.
Lucky for you I do pay Vehicle Tax as well - when I'm out on my bike it means I've left my car parked at home not wearing out the road or polluting the air, so you're also one car length closer to the front of the next queue too.

You're very welcome, no need to thank me.

#onelesscar
[quote][p][bold]Bailed Out[/bold] wrote: Start bleating on after you start paying ROAD TAX and INSURANCE.[/p][/quote]Lucky for you I do pay Vehicle Tax as well - when I'm out on my bike it means I've left my car parked at home not wearing out the road or polluting the air, so you're also one car length closer to the front of the next queue too. You're very welcome, no need to thank me. #onelesscar hirsty
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