CYC Cabinet debate on Lendal Bridge, York's night time economy, £2 million road improvements and the Hungate development

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  • Live updates on this evening's CYC Cabinet meeting, with debates including...
  • Lendal Bridge trial evaluation - and plans to tackle congestion in the future
  • Plans to revitalise York's "night time economy"
  • £2 million repairs and improvements minor roads and footpaths
  • Grant bids for Hungate development and a biorenewables business hub

7:53pm

And that's it. We're all done. Thanks for reading and commenting, and keep and eye on the website and the paper for full reports on what's gone on.

7:51pm

Last closing comments now, and James Alexander is taking a moment to thank the departing senior official Darren Richardson for his hard work and help as today is his last cabinet meeting.

7:49pm

Cllr Simpson Laing introduced it, and said the flats would give council tenants the option to move into smaller homes and would free up much needed a family homes elsewhere in the city. She added that the pub had been marketed for some time, but no one had come forward to take it on as a public house.

7:49pm

Cllr Simpson Laing introduced it, and said the flats would give council tenants the option to move into smaller homes and would free up much needed a family homes elsewhere in the city. She added that the pub had been marketed for some time, but no one had come forward to take it on as a public house.

7:47pm

Playing catch up here, so excuse the brief updates.  Another interesting item has been and gone in - this time on council plans to buy 14 one bed apartments to be built on the Pack of Cards pub site. 

7:45pm

And while I was typing that out the cabinet has approved two grants for work on public realm at hungate development (£175k) and the Biovale business hub being developed by the university of York and he Bioremewables development hub. £75k.

 

7:43pm

Cllr Williams has spoken, and said he would break a personal pledge not to criticise public speakers once they've left the room. The speaker was Cllr Reid, who mentioned cuts to highways funding. It's ironic, Cllr Williams said, because the current administration is dealing with 46 percent funding cuts from the coalition Cllr Reid's party, the Lib Dems support.

7:40pm

That item is being introduced now, and is about to be approved after a very brief comments.

7:38pm

Looking ahead, the next matter on the agenda is £2 million capital funding for highways. 

7:33pm

We have to work quickly on this, Cllr Alexander has added, otherwise we will miss the boat of economic recovery and won't get those new jobs for people in York.

7:29pm

We have to work quickly on this, Cllr Alexander has added, otherwise we will miss the boat of economic recovery and won't get those new jobs for people in York.

7:26pm

While their recommendations might seem a bit bland and vague they are meaningful, he adds. The main one is support for the YorCity construction network. 

7:24pm

While their recommendations might seem a bit bland and vague they are meaningful, he adds. The main one is support for the YorCity construction network. 

7:23pm

He, and the rest of the task force he chairs, spoke to a lot of people in the construction industry about a lack of skills in York. They heard time d time again, that people n the business feel construction isn't promoted as a real career opportunity in schools. 

7:21pm

Cllr Watt is speaking now, presenting the next item - which is about construction skills and the building industry. 

7:10pm

An hour and a half in, we've still got 7 items left on the agenda, including the plans for £2 million for road improvements on minor roads and footpaths, new social housing, and skills in the building industry, among others.

7:06pm

We've moved on now to report from the Health Overview and Scrutiny Committee on personalisation of care servicees, and adult social services.

7:05pm

As the comments on the school meals report wrap up, Cllr Alexander mentions the 'worst headline he has ever had in The Press.' It was a piece about childhood obesity, he said, and included the unfortunate headline 'Fat fighters unite' next to a picture of his face.

6:51pm

Cllr Janet looker is welcoming the report, which she said is very significant. Having a nutritious meal at lunch time is very important for children, but it's a challenge york has struggled to meet.

6:45pm

The next item is the school meals scrutiny final report. It's a bid to get more kids eating school dinners, and the paper is being introduced by the council officials who produced it.

6:43pm

The pilot scheme's aim is to give city trade city a boost for the 5.30-7.30pm early evening slot. It's been positively received by the cabinet, and both Cllr Gavlin and the rest of the councillors and officials who've put together the recommendations have been thanked by the cabinet members.

Wrapping up, CLlr Galvin tells the cabinet 'get on with it'!

"We can procrastinate for another 15 years and still be in the same position."

6:40pm

Back on the night time economy trial - they've chosen Coppergate for the pilot for a few reasons. It's small and compact, so will give the events some focus, and it's close to the Askham bar park and ride bus stop, Cllr Galvin adds.

6:30pm

Going back to Lendal Bridge for a moment... There was no decision made tonight, the decision to end the trial was, as we all know, taken weeks ago. This evening the cabinet was asked to note the council leader's decision to end the trial, and to consider the recommendations from the report- including the cross party traffic commission, and the recommendation not to spend any of the funds raised until the legal process is over. 

6:25pm

One other night time economy proposal CLr Galvin wanted to mention - a 'recovery facility'. Most people give it another name, he adds, but he won't offend by using it here.

6:19pm

They are proposing a pilot scheme based in Coppergate, family orientated rather than based on shopping alone. 

6:17pm

Cllr Galvin is introducing it, as chair of the scrutiny committee which pulled together the report. This  item shouldn't be quite so controversial, he said.

6:15pm

Moving on now, to the plans for the night time economy in York. 

6:14pm

James Alexander speaking now. Some people didn't want it the LB trial to work from the start and accused Labour administration if being anti car user.

Thats not the case, he said, but the city does need to get fewer people driving through York city centre who aren't going to york as a destination.

Unless they do something we are going to see more congestion in York, so we need to move on from LB and the independent traffic commission is the way to do that.

6:07pm

The cross party congestion commission is one of the key recommendations in the LB trial evaluation.

The other is a recommendation not to spend any of the money the trial raised for the council until the outcome of the legal challenge between council and the traffic adjudicator.

6:04pm

Setting up a congestion task force is a challenge for the city, he says, to tackle the problem in the future.

6:02pm

Cllr Dave Merrett speaking now. He said there's been a collective amnesia over the history of Lendal bridge trial, as LD councils in the past out forward plans for extensive bs priority schemes to improve transport in the city in both 2006 and 2011.

6:00pm

We need to stop playing politics with this issue he says. 

It was to trial the idea, but it was right to end the trial when they did, he added.

5:57pm

The issue of congestion isn't going away , he says, which is why they are proposing a cross party body to look at the problem in the future. This is an opportunity for other political groups to come up with their ideas, rather than criticising the Labour administration's plans. 

5:55pm

Public participation over now, and straight to Lendal Bridge trial. cllr David Leven speaking, he's Cabinet member for transport now. 

5:49pm

Cllr Ian Cutherberston speaking now, again on the Lendal Bridge evaluation. If you want to comment on that, or any other matter on tonight's agenda, comment below or tweet with #CYCCabinet

5:47pm

Sorry about those multiple updates, bit of a tech issue.

5:46pm

Green councillor Andy D'agorne now, talking about the traffic congestion task group the council is proposing. He's citing the example of Huddersfield where they have a free city centre shuttle bus.

5:46pm

Green councillor Andy D'agorne now, talking about the traffic congestion task group the council is proposing. He's citing the example of Huddersfield where they have a free city centre shuttle bus.

5:43pm

Finally, he points out this meetings agenda ran to 702 pages, and asks how on earth can one person comment on 702 pages in a three minute public participation slot? Well he didnt, as it happens, and James Alexander points out that Cllr Stewrt ran over, and spoke for nearer 4 minutes. 

5:38pm

Now it's the turn of Conservative group leader Cllr Chris Stewart. He's supportive of plans for the night time economy but not so positive about the Lendal Bridge trial. He said was a farce, and lacked a tangible measure of whether it worked.

5:36pm

The entire process has been 'anti democratic', she says. The decision could have been properly with the full report and info available, but instead the whole process was weak. She'll be taking the decision to the local govt ombudsman. 

5:34pm

She says she's not interested in the outcome, but is concerned about how the decision is taken. 

5:33pm

We start with minutes of the last meeting, and now the public participation session. Gwen aSwinburn is first up, speaking about the Lendal Bridge decision.

5:33pm

We start with minutes of the last meeting, and now the public participation session. Gwen aSwinburn is first up, speaking about the Lendal Bridge decision.

5:33pm

We start with minutes of the last meeting, and now the public participation session. Gwen aSwinburn is first up, speaking about the Lendal Bridge decision.

5:31pm

Good afternoon, and welcome to the live blog of this afternoon's cabinet meeting.

Councillors, and members of the public, are starting to gather now, and council leader James Alexander is just starting the meeting off...

 

2:20pm

There's a weighty agenda for this afternoon's City of York cabinet meeting, including the Lendal Bridge trial evaluation report, which alone runs to 267 pages.

On top of that we've got plans to make the "night time economy" in York more family friendly with proposals for buskers, food markets and festivals running in the early evenings; a bid to get more children eating school meals; plans to spend £2 million improving minor roads and footpaths around York; funding for the Hungate development and "Biovale" business hub; and the council buying 14 apartments built on the Pack of Cards pub site.

We'll be live blogging the whole event - follow here for updates or tweet your contributions on #CYCCabinet

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2:41pm Tue 6 May 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Live updates on this evening's CYC Cabinet meeting, with debates including...

•Lendal Bridge trial evaluation- "Excellent money making scheme but we got found out. In future lets make sure its legal. here here mwah mwah"
•Plans to revitalise York's "night time economy"- "We can allow more rubbish buskers and beggers to play horrible music later? and lets open more coffee shops? that will deter the drinkers. And its free? here here mwah mwah"
•£2 million repairs and improvements minor roads and footpaths. "Scrap that we can just put up 20mph signs & cycle lanes everywhere. Thanks for the advise on that paul. Here here mwah mwah"
•Grant bids for Hungate development and a biorenewables business hub. How can we con businesses to invest here? i mean its really expensive the traffic is rubbish and there is only one exit or entereance....and its no where near any other businesses....i know lets call it a hub? here here mwah mwah mwah.."

Right chaps meeting over lets all go back to smoking crack.
Live updates on this evening's CYC Cabinet meeting, with debates including... •Lendal Bridge trial evaluation- "Excellent money making scheme but we got found out. In future lets make sure its legal. here here mwah mwah" •Plans to revitalise York's "night time economy"- "We can allow more rubbish buskers and beggers to play horrible music later? and lets open more coffee shops? that will deter the drinkers. And its free? here here mwah mwah" •£2 million repairs and improvements minor roads and footpaths. "Scrap that we can just put up 20mph signs & cycle lanes everywhere. Thanks for the advise on that paul. Here here mwah mwah" •Grant bids for Hungate development and a biorenewables business hub. How can we con businesses to invest here? i mean its really expensive the traffic is rubbish and there is only one exit or entereance....and its no where near any other businesses....i know lets call it a hub? here here mwah mwah mwah.." Right chaps meeting over lets all go back to smoking crack. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -18

2:57pm Tue 6 May 14

Cheeky face says...

So the 267 page independent report on Lendal Bridge is now here! When did the council get it?

My long outstanding questions /queries on the Lendal Bridge trial have not been answered. The customer service/feedback team tell me I should now
go to the Ombudsman; even though they have chased answers for me several times.They started July 2013!; but an earlier complaint(2011) has been accepted as valid - but no action taken. CofYcouncil are well-known to them already.

See Matthew Laverack's letter in to-day's press.
So the 267 page independent report on Lendal Bridge is now here! When did the council get it? My long outstanding questions /queries on the Lendal Bridge trial have not been answered. The customer service/feedback team tell me I should now go to the Ombudsman; even though they have chased answers for me several times.They started July 2013!; but an earlier complaint(2011) has been accepted as valid - but no action taken. CofYcouncil are well-known to them already. See Matthew Laverack's letter in to-day's press. Cheeky face
  • Score: -87

3:27pm Tue 6 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Andy,Is this the same person who promised me a reply in Feb 2014 to my outstanding issues, and said he liked to be upfront and honest and chase his employees/councillor
s.. So I was honest and reappraised my concerns to him AGAIN ; but he did not provoke a reply!!

The 267 page report will be complex, but I have asked for it to be copied to me. We can look forward to more letters in the Press re Lendal Bridge; but we need to sort out other solutions -e.g. make public transport acceptable- turn off traffic lights whenever we can. The council are obliged to control traffic flow; and Lendal Bridge trial merely moved congestion! I use buses, car, trains and walk as appropriate to complete my journeys.

WE MUST ALL LOOK AHEAD WITH TEAM WORK THE ANSWER!
THE COUNCILS WHO BEST SOVE PROBLEMS ARE THOSE WHO TAKE POLITICS AS A PRIVATE AND SEPARATE MATTER.
.
Andy,Is this the same person who promised me a reply in Feb 2014 to my outstanding issues, and said he liked to be upfront and honest and chase his employees/councillor s.. So I was honest and reappraised my concerns to him AGAIN ; but he did not provoke a reply!! The 267 page report will be complex, but I have asked for it to be copied to me. We can look forward to more letters in the Press re Lendal Bridge; but we need to sort out other solutions -e.g. make public transport acceptable- turn off traffic lights whenever we can. The council are obliged to control traffic flow; and Lendal Bridge trial merely moved congestion! I use buses, car, trains and walk as appropriate to complete my journeys. WE MUST ALL LOOK AHEAD WITH TEAM WORK THE ANSWER! THE COUNCILS WHO BEST SOVE PROBLEMS ARE THOSE WHO TAKE POLITICS AS A PRIVATE AND SEPARATE MATTER. . Cheeky face
  • Score: -110

3:37pm Tue 6 May 14

bolero says...

Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.
Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging. bolero
  • Score: -63

5:15pm Tue 6 May 14

wildthing666 says...

The majority of Lendal Bridge fines were for drivers of non York postcodes, Says a lot really
The majority of Lendal Bridge fines were for drivers of non York postcodes, Says a lot really wildthing666
  • Score: 80

5:39pm Tue 6 May 14

Alf Garnett says...

Cheeky face wrote:
Andy,Is this the same person who promised me a reply in Feb 2014 to my outstanding issues, and said he liked to be upfront and honest and chase his employees/councillor

s.. So I was honest and reappraised my concerns to him AGAIN ; but he did not provoke a reply!!

The 267 page report will be complex, but I have asked for it to be copied to me. We can look forward to more letters in the Press re Lendal Bridge; but we need to sort out other solutions -e.g. make public transport acceptable- turn off traffic lights whenever we can. The council are obliged to control traffic flow; and Lendal Bridge trial merely moved congestion! I use buses, car, trains and walk as appropriate to complete my journeys.

WE MUST ALL LOOK AHEAD WITH TEAM WORK THE ANSWER!
THE COUNCILS WHO BEST SOVE PROBLEMS ARE THOSE WHO TAKE POLITICS AS A PRIVATE AND SEPARATE MATTER.
.
Is your final caps quotation a translation from Chairman Mao's Red Book ? It sounds like one of those emails from anonymous foreign sources; seemingly portentous but signifying nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: Andy,Is this the same person who promised me a reply in Feb 2014 to my outstanding issues, and said he liked to be upfront and honest and chase his employees/councillor s.. So I was honest and reappraised my concerns to him AGAIN ; but he did not provoke a reply!! The 267 page report will be complex, but I have asked for it to be copied to me. We can look forward to more letters in the Press re Lendal Bridge; but we need to sort out other solutions -e.g. make public transport acceptable- turn off traffic lights whenever we can. The council are obliged to control traffic flow; and Lendal Bridge trial merely moved congestion! I use buses, car, trains and walk as appropriate to complete my journeys. WE MUST ALL LOOK AHEAD WITH TEAM WORK THE ANSWER! THE COUNCILS WHO BEST SOVE PROBLEMS ARE THOSE WHO TAKE POLITICS AS A PRIVATE AND SEPARATE MATTER. .[/p][/quote]Is your final caps quotation a translation from Chairman Mao's Red Book ? It sounds like one of those emails from anonymous foreign sources; seemingly portentous but signifying nothing. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 15

6:12pm Tue 6 May 14

Tom6187 says...

Merrett could literally talk a glass eye to sleep.
Merrett could literally talk a glass eye to sleep. Tom6187
  • Score: -100

6:47pm Tue 6 May 14

purelobo says...

tourists can t even get into the city by car without having to negotiate mis managed traffic lights and other man made obstructions. i have lost count of the number of people i ve spoken to in this country and on holidays abroad who ve said that they came to visit york once but never again.poor traffic management on main roads into york specifically the a19 and a59 plus ridiculous parking charges.alexander and friends won t get anywhere by denying their anti driver policies.
tourists can t even get into the city by car without having to negotiate mis managed traffic lights and other man made obstructions. i have lost count of the number of people i ve spoken to in this country and on holidays abroad who ve said that they came to visit york once but never again.poor traffic management on main roads into york specifically the a19 and a59 plus ridiculous parking charges.alexander and friends won t get anywhere by denying their anti driver policies. purelobo
  • Score: -102

7:01pm Tue 6 May 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Amazing having a full on meeting and the comments scores are being adjusted at the same time. Well done.
Amazing having a full on meeting and the comments scores are being adjusted at the same time. Well done. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -55

7:11pm Tue 6 May 14

Silver says...

Doesn't seem fair to give Gwen 3 minutes to speak on the matter when the agenda is over 700 pages.
Doesn't seem fair to give Gwen 3 minutes to speak on the matter when the agenda is over 700 pages. Silver
  • Score: -37

7:13pm Tue 6 May 14

strangebuttrue? says...

They are correct about one thing though - congestion is not going away. Well that will be the congestion they are creating with their favourite weapon - traffic lights. All this congestion with less volume of traffic than in 2002.

I had to drive a short distance in York today to help out a pensioner who was having problems. My journey took me down water end and along Shipton Road. Every light I came to was red and every time I was waiting I noted huge periods when nothing moved. In fact the lights at Rawcliffe Lane end changed to red for Shipton Road and nothing moved until the main road went green again. On the way back the same lights only let two cars through the junction before going red again for the main road. I was the second car and only got through because I was too close to the car in front or it would have been one. So yes the council are correct congestion is not going away they appear to be manufacturing more of it every day along with all of the pollution they cause with it. They say they are not anti car and they care about our health. Pull the other one.
They are correct about one thing though - congestion is not going away. Well that will be the congestion they are creating with their favourite weapon - traffic lights. All this congestion with less volume of traffic than in 2002. I had to drive a short distance in York today to help out a pensioner who was having problems. My journey took me down water end and along Shipton Road. Every light I came to was red and every time I was waiting I noted huge periods when nothing moved. In fact the lights at Rawcliffe Lane end changed to red for Shipton Road and nothing moved until the main road went green again. On the way back the same lights only let two cars through the junction before going red again for the main road. I was the second car and only got through because I was too close to the car in front or it would have been one. So yes the council are correct congestion is not going away they appear to be manufacturing more of it every day along with all of the pollution they cause with it. They say they are not anti car and they care about our health. Pull the other one. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -7

8:16pm Tue 6 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Strange but true is picking only one of a few instances where traffic lights are a nonsense. This needs attention; as well as making the P and R work.e.g Charges per car and not by occupants could help. Cheaper P and R to effectively fill up empty buses at quiet periods. There are a few free shuttle buses in other cities/towns; give that an airing - it is something that has worked at the Yorkshire Show.

Gwen being given 3 minutes is harsh; and suggests the council do not want to hear her views.
Strange but true is picking only one of a few instances where traffic lights are a nonsense. This needs attention; as well as making the P and R work.e.g Charges per car and not by occupants could help. Cheaper P and R to effectively fill up empty buses at quiet periods. There are a few free shuttle buses in other cities/towns; give that an airing - it is something that has worked at the Yorkshire Show. Gwen being given 3 minutes is harsh; and suggests the council do not want to hear her views. Cheeky face
  • Score: -14

8:32pm Tue 6 May 14

pedalling paul says...

Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly.
Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference!
Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly. Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference! pedalling paul
  • Score: -10

8:36pm Tue 6 May 14

ouseswimmer says...

Coming in from Harrogate the number of traffic lights one passes through to reach the centre has doubled in a little over 10 years. More congestion thus more CO2 emissions as a direct result of Council planning.
Coming in from Harrogate the number of traffic lights one passes through to reach the centre has doubled in a little over 10 years. More congestion thus more CO2 emissions as a direct result of Council planning. ouseswimmer
  • Score: 3

8:48pm Tue 6 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Paul,

I switch my travel in York to miss city centre completely. I agree with views P and R charges are a hindrance. A little less in P and R costs in non-peak times could help.

Smashing when I get home in Scarborough after a weekly day visit to see family near the Knavesmire.

What will happen in York when they build on Bustardthorpe site, known as Terry's? The contractors, and eventually residents will have vehicles.

Look to the future is the message; and if motorists must use there cars let them not confuse that with "I would prefer to use my car!" These are very different issues. The cross party "think tank" is a must; but it should have been created years ago.
Paul, I switch my travel in York to miss city centre completely. I agree with views P and R charges are a hindrance. A little less in P and R costs in non-peak times could help. Smashing when I get home in Scarborough after a weekly day visit to see family near the Knavesmire. What will happen in York when they build on Bustardthorpe site, known as Terry's? The contractors, and eventually residents will have vehicles. Look to the future is the message; and if motorists must use there cars let them not confuse that with "I would prefer to use my car!" These are very different issues. The cross party "think tank" is a must; but it should have been created years ago. Cheeky face
  • Score: -58

8:55pm Tue 6 May 14

howmanymoretimes says...

I attended tonight's meeting (a first for me) One of the things that really struck me was how many Cllrs. and Officers didn't appear to be taking much interest in the proceedings. At one point I counted 8 out of 15? that were writing/fiddling whilst members of the public were speaking. Bad manners to say the least.
I attended tonight's meeting (a first for me) One of the things that really struck me was how many Cllrs. and Officers didn't appear to be taking much interest in the proceedings. At one point I counted 8 out of 15? that were writing/fiddling whilst members of the public were speaking. Bad manners to say the least. howmanymoretimes
  • Score: -57

9:00pm Tue 6 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Howmanymoretimes. Quite average for such people. They are paid or receive allowances for attending. And it's tax payers money that pay for this inattention! It is even worse in the houses of Commons and Lords.

If such people were recompensed only for what they truly earn then the money saved could clear the national debt.
Howmanymoretimes. Quite average for such people. They are paid or receive allowances for attending. And it's tax payers money that pay for this inattention! It is even worse in the houses of Commons and Lords. If such people were recompensed only for what they truly earn then the money saved could clear the national debt. Cheeky face
  • Score: -43

9:56pm Tue 6 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly.
Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference!
You still won't acknowledge the fact that the city needs a better outer ring road (A1237), this upgrading of the roundabouts will do nothing to improve the flow of traffic, but the logical solution would be too expensive i.e. either dualing or flyovers, so all your efforts to prevent car journeys into and across the city push that traffic onto the the outer ring road, as was highlighted by the restrictions put on Lendal Bridge.
A council who could and would address the outer ring road issue before putting car use repressions within the city would I imagine attract a lot of votes.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly. Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference![/p][/quote]You still won't acknowledge the fact that the city needs a better outer ring road (A1237), this upgrading of the roundabouts will do nothing to improve the flow of traffic, but the logical solution would be too expensive i.e. either dualing or flyovers, so all your efforts to prevent car journeys into and across the city push that traffic onto the the outer ring road, as was highlighted by the restrictions put on Lendal Bridge. A council who could and would address the outer ring road issue before putting car use repressions within the city would I imagine attract a lot of votes. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -39

10:36pm Tue 6 May 14

inthesticks says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly.
Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference!
You still won't acknowledge the fact that the city needs a better outer ring road (A1237), this upgrading of the roundabouts will do nothing to improve the flow of traffic, but the logical solution would be too expensive i.e. either dualing or flyovers, so all your efforts to prevent car journeys into and across the city push that traffic onto the the outer ring road, as was highlighted by the restrictions put on Lendal Bridge.
A council who could and would address the outer ring road issue before putting car use repressions within the city would I imagine attract a lot of votes.
PP doesn`t understand any of that, living in Holgate like many of the Cllrs - and others from Tad rd, Fishergate and Clifton etc. They are walking distance, cycling distance and have lots of regular buses into town. For those of us that are further out, have few or no buses and work a long way from home, they just don`t see the Outer York point of view.
A lot of people havn`t experienced the joy that is the A1237 on a daily basis. We could turn PP`s `cars fill up new roads` philosophy on it`s head -the more people cycled/walked/bussed for journeys within the City, and the roads became less congested within York itself, the more traffic now using the A1237 will short cut across York instead.
The only alternatives are real ones that people can use and afford to use, cheaper buses, cheaper P&R, routes that more people can make use of. A private bus company needing to make a profit isn`t going to service that need in York. Shame we got rid of the trams.
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly. Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference![/p][/quote]You still won't acknowledge the fact that the city needs a better outer ring road (A1237), this upgrading of the roundabouts will do nothing to improve the flow of traffic, but the logical solution would be too expensive i.e. either dualing or flyovers, so all your efforts to prevent car journeys into and across the city push that traffic onto the the outer ring road, as was highlighted by the restrictions put on Lendal Bridge. A council who could and would address the outer ring road issue before putting car use repressions within the city would I imagine attract a lot of votes.[/p][/quote]PP doesn`t understand any of that, living in Holgate like many of the Cllrs - and others from Tad rd, Fishergate and Clifton etc. They are walking distance, cycling distance and have lots of regular buses into town. For those of us that are further out, have few or no buses and work a long way from home, they just don`t see the Outer York point of view. A lot of people havn`t experienced the joy that is the A1237 on a daily basis. We could turn PP`s `cars fill up new roads` philosophy on it`s head -the more people cycled/walked/bussed for journeys within the City, and the roads became less congested within York itself, the more traffic now using the A1237 will short cut across York instead. The only alternatives are real ones that people can use and afford to use, cheaper buses, cheaper P&R, routes that more people can make use of. A private bus company needing to make a profit isn`t going to service that need in York. Shame we got rid of the trams. inthesticks
  • Score: -77

10:40pm Tue 6 May 14

eeoodares says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly.
Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference!
Missing the point again councillor.

Your rants and your colleagues blinkered, car hating agenda have changed the views of thousands of residents.

Act appropriatley and honestly and you will gain more traction with your plans, sadly it is to late for you and your colleagues, you will be out and not coming back to this city for a generation.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly. Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference![/p][/quote]Missing the point again councillor. Your rants and your colleagues blinkered, car hating agenda have changed the views of thousands of residents. Act appropriatley and honestly and you will gain more traction with your plans, sadly it is to late for you and your colleagues, you will be out and not coming back to this city for a generation. eeoodares
  • Score: -26

1:24am Wed 7 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

The Great Buda wrote:
bolero wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.
No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.
Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp.

Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread!
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.[/p][/quote]No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.[/p][/quote]Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -120

7:11am Wed 7 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Cllr Simpson Laing introduced it, and said the flats would give council tenants the option to move into smaller homes and would free up much needed a family homes elsewhere in the city. She added that the pub had been marketed for some time, but no one had come forward to take it on as a public house.

people will not downsize into these flats from larger properties, the labour run council will put in unemployed homeless people on benefits in them , a step up from the arc light centre, making space in the arc light centre for more unemployed homeless people on benefits, vicious circle forming FACT!
Cllr Simpson Laing introduced it, and said the flats would give council tenants the option to move into smaller homes and would free up much needed a family homes elsewhere in the city. She added that the pub had been marketed for some time, but no one had come forward to take it on as a public house. people will not downsize into these flats from larger properties, the labour run council will put in unemployed homeless people on benefits in them , a step up from the arc light centre, making space in the arc light centre for more unemployed homeless people on benefits, vicious circle forming FACT! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 9

7:45am Wed 7 May 14

Tom6187 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly.
Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference!
Isn't it interesting how Paul's scores are rarely adjusted down. I think we might have found our score adjuster.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly. Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference![/p][/quote]Isn't it interesting how Paul's scores are rarely adjusted down. I think we might have found our score adjuster. Tom6187
  • Score: 15

8:21am Wed 7 May 14

Paul Hepworth says...

Those who wish to can now delve into the independent Leeds University -based Institute of Transport Studies Report at
http://democracy.yor
k.gov.uk/documents/s
89212/Annex%20G%20-%
20ITS%20report.pdf
Those who wish to can now delve into the independent Leeds University -based Institute of Transport Studies Report at http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/documents/s 89212/Annex%20G%20-% 20ITS%20report.pdf Paul Hepworth
  • Score: -3

8:45am Wed 7 May 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Oooooh the score hacker!
Is it Badger? Is it Buzzz? Is it Paul? Is it a councillor? How can they do it whilst at a meeting?
It's starting to look like an A level psychology experiment.

Get a grip people!
Oooooh the score hacker! Is it Badger? Is it Buzzz? Is it Paul? Is it a councillor? How can they do it whilst at a meeting? It's starting to look like an A level psychology experiment. Get a grip people! Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 1

8:49am Wed 7 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Paul Hepworth wrote:
Those who wish to can now delve into the independent Leeds University -based Institute of Transport Studies Report at http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/documents/s 89212/Annex%20G%20-% 20ITS%20report.pdf
If the chap from the University of Leeds who was on BBC Look North last night talking about the report and CoYC is an 'independant' I will eat hay with a donkey!!!!!!!, same old rhetoric that the CoYC uses, no different what so ever!!!!.
[quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote: Those who wish to can now delve into the independent Leeds University -based Institute of Transport Studies Report at http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/documents/s 89212/Annex%20G%20-% 20ITS%20report.pdf[/p][/quote]If the chap from the University of Leeds who was on BBC Look North last night talking about the report and CoYC is an 'independant' I will eat hay with a donkey!!!!!!!, same old rhetoric that the CoYC uses, no different what so ever!!!!. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 13

8:55am Wed 7 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
Paul Hepworth wrote: Those who wish to can now delve into the independent Leeds University -based Institute of Transport Studies Report at http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/documents/s 89212/Annex%20G%20-% 20ITS%20report.pdf
If the chap from the University of Leeds who was on BBC Look North last night talking about the report and CoYC is an 'independant' I will eat hay with a donkey!!!!!!!, same old rhetoric that the CoYC uses, no different what so ever!!!!.
Should have added that it was no big surprise that the CoYC came to the conclusion after studying all the so called data that the restrictions on Lendal Bridge was a success, they could'nt say anything else could they? after all they would never admit that the restrictions added to more congestion and pollution in other parts of the city.
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote: Those who wish to can now delve into the independent Leeds University -based Institute of Transport Studies Report at http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/documents/s 89212/Annex%20G%20-% 20ITS%20report.pdf[/p][/quote]If the chap from the University of Leeds who was on BBC Look North last night talking about the report and CoYC is an 'independant' I will eat hay with a donkey!!!!!!!, same old rhetoric that the CoYC uses, no different what so ever!!!!.[/p][/quote]Should have added that it was no big surprise that the CoYC came to the conclusion after studying all the so called data that the restrictions on Lendal Bridge was a success, they could'nt say anything else could they? after all they would never admit that the restrictions added to more congestion and pollution in other parts of the city. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 12

9:27am Wed 7 May 14

BL2 says...

Paid little attention to most of it, but this cheered me up! :-)

As the comments on the school meals report wrap up, Cllr Alexander mentions the 'worst headline he has ever had in The Press.' It was a piece about childhood obesity, he said, and included the unfortunate headline 'Fat fighters unite' next to a picture of his face.
Paid little attention to most of it, but this cheered me up! :-) [quote]As the comments on the school meals report wrap up, Cllr Alexander mentions the 'worst headline he has ever had in The Press.' It was a piece about childhood obesity, he said, and included the unfortunate headline 'Fat fighters unite' next to a picture of his face. [/quote] BL2
  • Score: 13

9:46am Wed 7 May 14

Paul Hepworth says...

Intriguing to note by the way that PP is allegedly a Councillor and lives in Holgate......

Solving congestion is not about trying to accommodate existing and future demand for private car access. It's about encouraging modal shift for some of our local journeys, so that there is enough capacity for those who need rather than want to use a car.

Have look at this Flikr photo so see how much space 60 people take up, in cars, on a bus and on bikes.
https://www.flickr.c
om/photos/carltonrei
d/6440857817/
Intriguing to note by the way that PP is allegedly a Councillor and lives in Holgate...... Solving congestion is not about trying to accommodate existing and future demand for private car access. It's about encouraging modal shift for some of our local journeys, so that there is enough capacity for those who need rather than want to use a car. Have look at this Flikr photo so see how much space 60 people take up, in cars, on a bus and on bikes. https://www.flickr.c om/photos/carltonrei d/6440857817/ Paul Hepworth
  • Score: -4

9:49am Wed 7 May 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Paul Hepworth wrote:
Those who wish to can now delve into the independent Leeds University -based Institute of Transport Studies Report at http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/documents/s 89212/Annex%20G%20-% 20ITS%20report.pdf
I wonder if this is a new study to the one which had Leeds as a giant car park with buildings on top. Think that was planned for it back in the 70's.

On a serious note paul you carry on harping on about busses and sharing cars etc and neglect rail links? are you backwards? to reduce traffic (which does include busses and car shares) you need to get people off the road... how i hear you ask? cycle? no.... walk nooooo.... Just build two simple f@ckin rail links from the north and south for people who do commute to york to use. Its not rocket science! But wait the new park & ride has taken up the best site for the south one. Clever council (and you!!!) planning for the future and the ticking time bomb i see....

Look across Europe Paul... every successful city has rail links to the centre. I.e york station. The capacity of this is more then fitting within the rail network and in fact i think the government and the train operators are willing to fund such profitable schemes...

But do you or the muppets in this meeting mention it ever? no? why? becasue that is future thinking! not plonk more busses on the road that in many cases cause more traffic!!


Oh and my first comment was on for +60 likes when i checked! that was a record for me before the labour lovers came along.
[quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote: Those who wish to can now delve into the independent Leeds University -based Institute of Transport Studies Report at http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/documents/s 89212/Annex%20G%20-% 20ITS%20report.pdf[/p][/quote]I wonder if this is a new study to the one which had Leeds as a giant car park with buildings on top. Think that was planned for it back in the 70's. On a serious note paul you carry on harping on about busses and sharing cars etc and neglect rail links? are you backwards? to reduce traffic (which does include busses and car shares) you need to get people off the road... how i hear you ask? cycle? no.... walk nooooo.... Just build two simple f@ckin rail links from the north and south for people who do commute to york to use. Its not rocket science! But wait the new park & ride has taken up the best site for the south one. Clever council (and you!!!) planning for the future and the ticking time bomb i see.... Look across Europe Paul... every successful city has rail links to the centre. I.e york station. The capacity of this is more then fitting within the rail network and in fact i think the government and the train operators are willing to fund such profitable schemes... But do you or the muppets in this meeting mention it ever? no? why? becasue that is future thinking! not plonk more busses on the road that in many cases cause more traffic!! Oh and my first comment was on for +60 likes when i checked! that was a record for me before the labour lovers came along. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 7

10:20am Wed 7 May 14

goatman says...

I still maintain that the inner ring-road should be one way, which would allow either a dedicated bus lane or double the traffic flowing in the same direction. This would also reduce the phasing required at the traffic lights.

A bigger push should also be given to building a bus station by the railway station. This bus station should be of the 'hub' type so that it becomes the final destination for all buses coming into town. Then for example if you wanted to go from Haxby to Acomb you would get the No1 to the bus station, then from there get the 1A from the bus station to Acomb. This would also help cut down delays on the running of the buses, which always seem to go into meltdown when a road into Acomb gets dug up.
I still maintain that the inner ring-road should be one way, which would allow either a dedicated bus lane or double the traffic flowing in the same direction. This would also reduce the phasing required at the traffic lights. A bigger push should also be given to building a bus station by the railway station. This bus station should be of the 'hub' type so that it becomes the final destination for all buses coming into town. Then for example if you wanted to go from Haxby to Acomb you would get the No1 to the bus station, then from there get the 1A from the bus station to Acomb. This would also help cut down delays on the running of the buses, which always seem to go into meltdown when a road into Acomb gets dug up. goatman
  • Score: 3

10:28am Wed 7 May 14

YorkPatrol says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly. Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference!
"Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, cycle routes ...."

Impractical nonsense…. The transport strategy needs to be on a much grander scale that an idiotic car sharing scheme, a car club?? and simply thinking everyone can jump on a bike..

You talk like a deranged imbecile – What if people simply can not change any of their journey’s to another mode?

And give over with this melodramatic "time bomb" talk.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly. Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference![/p][/quote]"Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, cycle routes ...." Impractical nonsense…. The transport strategy needs to be on a much grander scale that an idiotic car sharing scheme, a car club?? and simply thinking everyone can jump on a bike.. You talk like a deranged imbecile – What if people simply can not change any of their journey’s to another mode? And give over with this melodramatic "time bomb" talk. YorkPatrol
  • Score: 6

10:33am Wed 7 May 14

inthesticks says...

Paul Hepworth wrote:
Intriguing to note by the way that PP is allegedly a Councillor and lives in Holgate......

Solving congestion is not about trying to accommodate existing and future demand for private car access. It's about encouraging modal shift for some of our local journeys, so that there is enough capacity for those who need rather than want to use a car.

Have look at this Flikr photo so see how much space 60 people take up, in cars, on a bus and on bikes.
https://www.flickr.c

om/photos/carltonrei

d/6440857817/
Read my post again; living in Holgate LIKE many of the Cllrs.
Windmill Rise is Holgate.
And are you supposed to have two logins?
[quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote: Intriguing to note by the way that PP is allegedly a Councillor and lives in Holgate...... Solving congestion is not about trying to accommodate existing and future demand for private car access. It's about encouraging modal shift for some of our local journeys, so that there is enough capacity for those who need rather than want to use a car. Have look at this Flikr photo so see how much space 60 people take up, in cars, on a bus and on bikes. https://www.flickr.c om/photos/carltonrei d/6440857817/[/p][/quote]Read my post again; living in Holgate LIKE many of the Cllrs. Windmill Rise is Holgate. And are you supposed to have two logins? inthesticks
  • Score: 4

11:01am Wed 7 May 14

greenmonkey says...

goatman wrote:
I still maintain that the inner ring-road should be one way, which would allow either a dedicated bus lane or double the traffic flowing in the same direction. This would also reduce the phasing required at the traffic lights.

A bigger push should also be given to building a bus station by the railway station. This bus station should be of the 'hub' type so that it becomes the final destination for all buses coming into town. Then for example if you wanted to go from Haxby to Acomb you would get the No1 to the bus station, then from there get the 1A from the bus station to Acomb. This would also help cut down delays on the running of the buses, which always seem to go into meltdown when a road into Acomb gets dug up.
The idea of 'one way' at least for parts of the 'inner ring road' deserves looking at, especially if tied in with joining up gaps in cycle routes along/across it and freeing up Lendal and Ouse Bridges from so much traffic. I would also suggest the opportunity taken to cut out the rat runs used by taxis like Navigation Rd and Petergate- Colliergate - Fossgate so that the footstreets areas are only used by cars with genuine need to access premises in the centre or get out onto the orbital main road.
On the bus station Im not convinced, having seen what happened in Sheffield where they built one with EU money then found operators didn't want to use it so 15 years later removed half of it (with more EU money! to build modern business premises). What could work better would be the free shuttle bus that operates in other city centres linking the station area and all the stopping points for other routes around the city centre to make it quick and easy to access these and the station regardless of which direction you enter from. This could also be used by shoppers including elderly people to reach their car in a more distant car park or get from the shops and attractions to the park and ride pick up point. The cost of running a shuttle bus for a year is less than has been allocated to provide free city centre parking on Thur- Sat mornings!!
[quote][p][bold]goatman[/bold] wrote: I still maintain that the inner ring-road should be one way, which would allow either a dedicated bus lane or double the traffic flowing in the same direction. This would also reduce the phasing required at the traffic lights. A bigger push should also be given to building a bus station by the railway station. This bus station should be of the 'hub' type so that it becomes the final destination for all buses coming into town. Then for example if you wanted to go from Haxby to Acomb you would get the No1 to the bus station, then from there get the 1A from the bus station to Acomb. This would also help cut down delays on the running of the buses, which always seem to go into meltdown when a road into Acomb gets dug up.[/p][/quote]The idea of 'one way' at least for parts of the 'inner ring road' deserves looking at, especially if tied in with joining up gaps in cycle routes along/across it and freeing up Lendal and Ouse Bridges from so much traffic. I would also suggest the opportunity taken to cut out the rat runs used by taxis like Navigation Rd and Petergate- Colliergate - Fossgate so that the footstreets areas are only used by cars with genuine need to access premises in the centre or get out onto the orbital main road. On the bus station Im not convinced, having seen what happened in Sheffield where they built one with EU money then found operators didn't want to use it so 15 years later removed half of it (with more EU money! to build modern business premises). What could work better would be the free shuttle bus that operates in other city centres linking the station area and all the stopping points for other routes around the city centre to make it quick and easy to access these and the station regardless of which direction you enter from. This could also be used by shoppers including elderly people to reach their car in a more distant car park or get from the shops and attractions to the park and ride pick up point. The cost of running a shuttle bus for a year is less than has been allocated to provide free city centre parking on Thur- Sat mornings!! greenmonkey
  • Score: -1

11:08am Wed 7 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly. Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference!
"Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, cycle routes ...." Impractical nonsense…. The transport strategy needs to be on a much grander scale that an idiotic car sharing scheme, a car club?? and simply thinking everyone can jump on a bike.. You talk like a deranged imbecile – What if people simply can not change any of their journey’s to another mode? And give over with this melodramatic "time bomb" talk.
Its ok for the likes of pedalling paul and paul hepworth to keep sugeting we use alternaatives, but I should imagine that car sharing is not somthing that a lot of people would be happy with, I for one would certainly not be, its ok if you all work in the same company/office etc. and know each other, but strangers, no thanks.
The Car Club I asume is aimed at those who have a driving licence but don't own a car, and only need to make the odd journey, but as for the Park and Ride I would bet you would get more visitors using it if it worked out cheaper than parking in the city or there were discounts for the number of people traveling in one car.
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly. Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference![/p][/quote]"Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, cycle routes ...." Impractical nonsense…. The transport strategy needs to be on a much grander scale that an idiotic car sharing scheme, a car club?? and simply thinking everyone can jump on a bike.. You talk like a deranged imbecile – What if people simply can not change any of their journey’s to another mode? And give over with this melodramatic "time bomb" talk.[/p][/quote]Its ok for the likes of pedalling paul and paul hepworth to keep sugeting we use alternaatives, but I should imagine that car sharing is not somthing that a lot of people would be happy with, I for one would certainly not be, its ok if you all work in the same company/office etc. and know each other, but strangers, no thanks. The Car Club I asume is aimed at those who have a driving licence but don't own a car, and only need to make the odd journey, but as for the Park and Ride I would bet you would get more visitors using it if it worked out cheaper than parking in the city or there were discounts for the number of people traveling in one car. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 4

11:12am Wed 7 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
YorkPatrol wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly. Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference!
"Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, cycle routes ...." Impractical nonsense…. The transport strategy needs to be on a much grander scale that an idiotic car sharing scheme, a car club?? and simply thinking everyone can jump on a bike.. You talk like a deranged imbecile – What if people simply can not change any of their journey’s to another mode? And give over with this melodramatic "time bomb" talk.
Its ok for the likes of pedalling paul and paul hepworth to keep sugeting we use alternaatives, but I should imagine that car sharing is not somthing that a lot of people would be happy with, I for one would certainly not be, its ok if you all work in the same company/office etc. and know each other, but strangers, no thanks. The Car Club I asume is aimed at those who have a driving licence but don't own a car, and only need to make the odd journey, but as for the Park and Ride I would bet you would get more visitors using it if it worked out cheaper than parking in the city or there were discounts for the number of people traveling in one car.
must check my spelling before sending!!!!
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly. Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference![/p][/quote]"Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, cycle routes ...." Impractical nonsense…. The transport strategy needs to be on a much grander scale that an idiotic car sharing scheme, a car club?? and simply thinking everyone can jump on a bike.. You talk like a deranged imbecile – What if people simply can not change any of their journey’s to another mode? And give over with this melodramatic "time bomb" talk.[/p][/quote]Its ok for the likes of pedalling paul and paul hepworth to keep sugeting we use alternaatives, but I should imagine that car sharing is not somthing that a lot of people would be happy with, I for one would certainly not be, its ok if you all work in the same company/office etc. and know each other, but strangers, no thanks. The Car Club I asume is aimed at those who have a driving licence but don't own a car, and only need to make the odd journey, but as for the Park and Ride I would bet you would get more visitors using it if it worked out cheaper than parking in the city or there were discounts for the number of people traveling in one car.[/p][/quote]must check my spelling before sending!!!! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 6

11:16am Wed 7 May 14

MorkofYork says...

It's not "modal shift", it's a bunch of greens trying to force their ideology onto people. It's been rejected because people don't like their kookie, devious ways and ignorance of facts.

The "ticking time bomb" is bad propaganda, no one's falling for it.
It's not "modal shift", it's a bunch of greens trying to force their ideology onto people. It's been rejected because people don't like their kookie, devious ways and ignorance of facts. The "ticking time bomb" is bad propaganda, no one's falling for it. MorkofYork
  • Score: 10

11:19am Wed 7 May 14

The Great Buda says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
bolero wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.
No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.
Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp.

Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread!
"one of my own", "your camp"

What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.[/p][/quote]No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.[/p][/quote]Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread![/p][/quote]"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP. The Great Buda
  • Score: -1

11:27am Wed 7 May 14

m dee says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly.
Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference!
I would be cautious taking the advice P.P gives on things like Car Club without reading the small print on associated costs and size of excesses ect plus of little benefit to anyone who already has their own vehicle.

As you say P.P Dave Merrettt mentioned a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car.
Well did he read the Data 80% of L.B vehicle users given the penalty charge accounted for visitors to our City in conclusion right idea wrong audience
One of my suggestions would be to make Coppergate a foot street better environment and safer for pedestrians.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Well that's all the usual solutions to York's traffic ills, by those whose sole intention is to try and make their car journeys easier today. But hang on a mo...didn't Dave Merrettt mention a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Delays doubling by 2031 for instance. That's the ticking transport time bomb which none of you are prepared to debate sensibly. Car sharing, city centre car club's hire by the hour, Park & Ride, cycle routes and priority measures for the most efficient users of road capacity. Sound very much to me like a strategy that will allow essential motor vehicle use to continue. Just switch one car journey in five to another mode, and see the overall difference![/p][/quote]I would be cautious taking the advice P.P gives on things like Car Club without reading the small print on associated costs and size of excesses ect plus of little benefit to anyone who already has their own vehicle. As you say P.P Dave Merrettt mentioned a continued increase in congestion delays as more residents try to access the road network by car. Well did he read the Data 80% of L.B vehicle users given the penalty charge accounted for visitors to our City in conclusion right idea wrong audience One of my suggestions would be to make Coppergate a foot street better environment and safer for pedestrians. m dee
  • Score: -4

11:50am Wed 7 May 14

RoseD says...

"Funds raised"??? Don't you mean "Illegal fines extorted"? C.O.Y.M.

"This evening the cabinet was asked to note the council leader's decision to end the trial, and to consider the recommendations from the report- including the cross party traffic commission, and the recommendation not to spend any of the funds raised until the legal process is over."
"Funds raised"??? Don't you mean "Illegal fines extorted"? C.O.Y.M. "This evening the cabinet was asked to note the council leader's decision to end the trial, and to consider the recommendations from the report- including the cross party traffic commission, and the recommendation not to spend any of the funds raised until the legal process is over." RoseD
  • Score: -32

12:51pm Wed 7 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
bolero wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.
No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.
Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread!
"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.
There you go, using insults to hide your obvious associations, and your obvious agenda.

It's obvious to posters what your game is....!!!
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.[/p][/quote]No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.[/p][/quote]Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread![/p][/quote]"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.[/p][/quote]There you go, using insults to hide your obvious associations, and your obvious agenda. It's obvious to posters what your game is....!!! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -66

1:17pm Wed 7 May 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
bolero wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.
No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.
Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread!
"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.
There you go, using insults to hide your obvious associations, and your obvious agenda.

It's obvious to posters what your game is....!!!
Tell us Badger, what is Buda's game? It's not at all obvious to us laymen. Maybe a seasoned and expert "researcher" like yourself could share it for everyone to see?

Also, were Buda's insults worse than "halfwits" which is the insult you used?
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.[/p][/quote]No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.[/p][/quote]Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread![/p][/quote]"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.[/p][/quote]There you go, using insults to hide your obvious associations, and your obvious agenda. It's obvious to posters what your game is....!!![/p][/quote]Tell us Badger, what is Buda's game? It's not at all obvious to us laymen. Maybe a seasoned and expert "researcher" like yourself could share it for everyone to see? Also, were Buda's insults worse than "halfwits" which is the insult you used? Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 20

1:21pm Wed 7 May 14

goatman says...

Maybe somebody could write into the Press saying how much they dislike so-and-so for whatever reason, and that could become the mud-slinging thread. Then those of us that would like to have a reasoned debate could stay on-topic on these letters.
Maybe somebody could write into the Press saying how much they dislike so-and-so for whatever reason, and that could become the mud-slinging thread. Then those of us that would like to have a reasoned debate could stay on-topic on these letters. goatman
  • Score: 7

1:45pm Wed 7 May 14

pedalling paul says...

Still no-one sadly seems willing to take a consensus approach to York's future traffic needs. Thankfully our Councillors have some expert Officers whose guidance reflects national and local strategy. and takes on board the needs of all who need to get along and safely across our city's roads. Very unlike the attitude of those who are seduced into buying a car by the TV or Cinema ad's promise of an open road. Sadly that's not part of the deal. Nor is the gorgeous blonde in the passenger seat.
Still no-one sadly seems willing to take a consensus approach to York's future traffic needs. Thankfully our Councillors have some expert Officers whose guidance reflects national and local strategy. and takes on board the needs of all who need to get along and safely across our city's roads. Very unlike the attitude of those who are seduced into buying a car by the TV or Cinema ad's promise of an open road. Sadly that's not part of the deal. Nor is the gorgeous blonde in the passenger seat. pedalling paul
  • Score: -9

1:47pm Wed 7 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

goatman wrote:
Maybe somebody could write into the Press saying how much they dislike so-and-so for whatever reason, and that could become the mud-slinging thread. Then those of us that would like to have a reasoned debate could stay on-topic on these letters.
Yes as a new comer, I do find it strange how the original thread of this comment has gotten side tracked with other personal issues.
[quote][p][bold]goatman[/bold] wrote: Maybe somebody could write into the Press saying how much they dislike so-and-so for whatever reason, and that could become the mud-slinging thread. Then those of us that would like to have a reasoned debate could stay on-topic on these letters.[/p][/quote]Yes as a new comer, I do find it strange how the original thread of this comment has gotten side tracked with other personal issues. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -183

2:04pm Wed 7 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Still no-one sadly seems willing to take a consensus approach to York's future traffic needs. Thankfully our Councillors have some expert Officers whose guidance reflects national and local strategy. and takes on board the needs of all who need to get along and safely across our city's roads. Very unlike the attitude of those who are seduced into buying a car by the TV or Cinema ad's promise of an open road. Sadly that's not part of the deal. Nor is the gorgeous blonde in the passenger seat.
No one is fooled by this so called add of the open road as you call it as there is no such thing within the city limits, also no one that I know buys a car for that reason, they buy a particular model because it suits their needs and nothing else, if you want open road driving go up to Scotland where there are plenty of open roads where drivers can and do enjoy the thrill of driving their cars, or like myself and a lot of other motorists, take your car onto the continent where motorways are long and traffic flows freely, and if you happen to have a gorgeous blonde in the passenger seat so much the better, now lets get back to the debate eh!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Still no-one sadly seems willing to take a consensus approach to York's future traffic needs. Thankfully our Councillors have some expert Officers whose guidance reflects national and local strategy. and takes on board the needs of all who need to get along and safely across our city's roads. Very unlike the attitude of those who are seduced into buying a car by the TV or Cinema ad's promise of an open road. Sadly that's not part of the deal. Nor is the gorgeous blonde in the passenger seat.[/p][/quote]No one is fooled by this so called add of the open road as you call it as there is no such thing within the city limits, also no one that I know buys a car for that reason, they buy a particular model because it suits their needs and nothing else, if you want open road driving go up to Scotland where there are plenty of open roads where drivers can and do enjoy the thrill of driving their cars, or like myself and a lot of other motorists, take your car onto the continent where motorways are long and traffic flows freely, and if you happen to have a gorgeous blonde in the passenger seat so much the better, now lets get back to the debate eh! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -128

2:49pm Wed 7 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Agreed. Debating other options is more important than throwing flack at other contributors.
But will the council listen AND hear what is sensibly suggested.

You should have P and R tariffs reduced/set to attract "shoppers" in quiet periods.
Also sort out a traffic flow management operation; sorting out the traffic lights that can be turned off at certain times, look at filtering etc, whilst not being ignorant of partial sighted /blind people. All from a control point who could then message congestion/alternati
ve routes on portable variable message board indicators.

Until the car is the most convenient means of journeys/errands the motorist will do as they do now.

The continent has the answer but I forget which country/city was mentioned when I last heard it.

Car sharing has merit but also can be a legal nightmare re insurance.

Footbridge for shoppers?
Agreed. Debating other options is more important than throwing flack at other contributors. But will the council listen AND hear what is sensibly suggested. You should have P and R tariffs reduced/set to attract "shoppers" in quiet periods. Also sort out a traffic flow management operation; sorting out the traffic lights that can be turned off at certain times, look at filtering etc, whilst not being ignorant of partial sighted /blind people. All from a control point who could then message congestion/alternati ve routes on portable variable message board indicators. Until the car is the most convenient means of journeys/errands the motorist will do as they do now. The continent has the answer but I forget which country/city was mentioned when I last heard it. Car sharing has merit but also can be a legal nightmare re insurance. Footbridge for shoppers? Cheeky face
  • Score: -106

2:51pm Wed 7 May 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Paul Hepworth wrote:
Intriguing to note by the way that PP is allegedly a Councillor and lives in Holgate......

Solving congestion is not about trying to accommodate existing and future demand for private car access. It's about encouraging modal shift for some of our local journeys, so that there is enough capacity for those who need rather than want to use a car.

Have look at this Flikr photo so see how much space 60 people take up, in cars, on a bus and on bikes.
https://www.flickr.c

om/photos/carltonrei

d/6440857817/
We can also watch this.

http://www.wimp.com/
trafficlights/

Look for - When traffic lights went out on Postishead High Street near Bristol
[quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote: Intriguing to note by the way that PP is allegedly a Councillor and lives in Holgate...... Solving congestion is not about trying to accommodate existing and future demand for private car access. It's about encouraging modal shift for some of our local journeys, so that there is enough capacity for those who need rather than want to use a car. Have look at this Flikr photo so see how much space 60 people take up, in cars, on a bus and on bikes. https://www.flickr.c om/photos/carltonrei d/6440857817/[/p][/quote]We can also watch this. http://www.wimp.com/ trafficlights/ Look for - When traffic lights went out on Postishead High Street near Bristol strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -114

2:57pm Wed 7 May 14

strangebuttrue? says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
Paul Hepworth wrote:
Intriguing to note by the way that PP is allegedly a Councillor and lives in Holgate......

Solving congestion is not about trying to accommodate existing and future demand for private car access. It's about encouraging modal shift for some of our local journeys, so that there is enough capacity for those who need rather than want to use a car.

Have look at this Flikr photo so see how much space 60 people take up, in cars, on a bus and on bikes.
https://www.flickr.c


om/photos/carltonrei


d/6440857817/
We can also watch this.

http://www.wimp.com/

trafficlights/

Look for - When traffic lights went out on Postishead High Street near Bristol
By the way watching the Postishead video shows reality and is not some fantasy report specifically written to support a particular point of view.
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote: Intriguing to note by the way that PP is allegedly a Councillor and lives in Holgate...... Solving congestion is not about trying to accommodate existing and future demand for private car access. It's about encouraging modal shift for some of our local journeys, so that there is enough capacity for those who need rather than want to use a car. Have look at this Flikr photo so see how much space 60 people take up, in cars, on a bus and on bikes. https://www.flickr.c om/photos/carltonrei d/6440857817/[/p][/quote]We can also watch this. http://www.wimp.com/ trafficlights/ Look for - When traffic lights went out on Postishead High Street near Bristol[/p][/quote]By the way watching the Postishead video shows reality and is not some fantasy report specifically written to support a particular point of view. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -114

2:59pm Wed 7 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Cheeky face wrote:
Agreed. Debating other options is more important than throwing flack at other contributors. But will the council listen AND hear what is sensibly suggested. You should have P and R tariffs reduced/set to attract "shoppers" in quiet periods. Also sort out a traffic flow management operation; sorting out the traffic lights that can be turned off at certain times, look at filtering etc, whilst not being ignorant of partial sighted /blind people. All from a control point who could then message congestion/alternati ve routes on portable variable message board indicators. Until the car is the most convenient means of journeys/errands the motorist will do as they do now. The continent has the answer but I forget which country/city was mentioned when I last heard it. Car sharing has merit but also can be a legal nightmare re insurance. Footbridge for shoppers?
Thats a good point that no one including myself has thought about, would car sharing increase you insurance premium, perhaps those that do it can enlighten, and to lower the fares overall on the Park and Ride or say reduce the fares during the week is also a good idea, but a reduced rate for multiple occupancy cars should also be an option.
[quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: Agreed. Debating other options is more important than throwing flack at other contributors. But will the council listen AND hear what is sensibly suggested. You should have P and R tariffs reduced/set to attract "shoppers" in quiet periods. Also sort out a traffic flow management operation; sorting out the traffic lights that can be turned off at certain times, look at filtering etc, whilst not being ignorant of partial sighted /blind people. All from a control point who could then message congestion/alternati ve routes on portable variable message board indicators. Until the car is the most convenient means of journeys/errands the motorist will do as they do now. The continent has the answer but I forget which country/city was mentioned when I last heard it. Car sharing has merit but also can be a legal nightmare re insurance. Footbridge for shoppers?[/p][/quote]Thats a good point that no one including myself has thought about, would car sharing increase you insurance premium, perhaps those that do it can enlighten, and to lower the fares overall on the Park and Ride or say reduce the fares during the week is also a good idea, but a reduced rate for multiple occupancy cars should also be an option. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -54

3:41pm Wed 7 May 14

JasBro says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
Paul Hepworth wrote:
Intriguing to note by the way that PP is allegedly a Councillor and lives in Holgate......

Solving congestion is not about trying to accommodate existing and future demand for private car access. It's about encouraging modal shift for some of our local journeys, so that there is enough capacity for those who need rather than want to use a car.

Have look at this Flikr photo so see how much space 60 people take up, in cars, on a bus and on bikes.
https://www.flickr.c


om/photos/carltonrei


d/6440857817/
We can also watch this.

http://www.wimp.com/

trafficlights/

Look for - When traffic lights went out on Postishead High Street near Bristol
Very interesting video.

It really backs up what a lot of us have been saying about the needless and deliberate council policy of creating congestion in York.
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote: Intriguing to note by the way that PP is allegedly a Councillor and lives in Holgate...... Solving congestion is not about trying to accommodate existing and future demand for private car access. It's about encouraging modal shift for some of our local journeys, so that there is enough capacity for those who need rather than want to use a car. Have look at this Flikr photo so see how much space 60 people take up, in cars, on a bus and on bikes. https://www.flickr.c om/photos/carltonrei d/6440857817/[/p][/quote]We can also watch this. http://www.wimp.com/ trafficlights/ Look for - When traffic lights went out on Postishead High Street near Bristol[/p][/quote]Very interesting video. It really backs up what a lot of us have been saying about the needless and deliberate council policy of creating congestion in York. JasBro
  • Score: -31

4:01pm Wed 7 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

JasBro wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
Paul Hepworth wrote: Intriguing to note by the way that PP is allegedly a Councillor and lives in Holgate...... Solving congestion is not about trying to accommodate existing and future demand for private car access. It's about encouraging modal shift for some of our local journeys, so that there is enough capacity for those who need rather than want to use a car. Have look at this Flikr photo so see how much space 60 people take up, in cars, on a bus and on bikes. https://www.flickr.c om/photos/carltonrei d/6440857817/
We can also watch this. http://www.wimp.com/ trafficlights/ Look for - When traffic lights went out on Postishead High Street near Bristol
Very interesting video. It really backs up what a lot of us have been saying about the needless and deliberate council policy of creating congestion in York.
This video echoes what has been seen in York many times when the traffic lights are not working - results in less congestion, not more!

It is no secret that the councilappear to use traffic light sequencing to create havoc, to justify their policies. Coun Merrett must think we are thick to fall for their scaremongering and manipulation!
[quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote: Intriguing to note by the way that PP is allegedly a Councillor and lives in Holgate...... Solving congestion is not about trying to accommodate existing and future demand for private car access. It's about encouraging modal shift for some of our local journeys, so that there is enough capacity for those who need rather than want to use a car. Have look at this Flikr photo so see how much space 60 people take up, in cars, on a bus and on bikes. https://www.flickr.c om/photos/carltonrei d/6440857817/[/p][/quote]We can also watch this. http://www.wimp.com/ trafficlights/ Look for - When traffic lights went out on Postishead High Street near Bristol[/p][/quote]Very interesting video. It really backs up what a lot of us have been saying about the needless and deliberate council policy of creating congestion in York.[/p][/quote]This video echoes what has been seen in York many times when the traffic lights are not working - results in less congestion, not more! It is no secret that the councilappear to use traffic light sequencing to create havoc, to justify their policies. Coun Merrett must think we are thick to fall for their scaremongering and manipulation! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -38

4:12pm Wed 7 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
bolero wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.
No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.
Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread!
"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.
There you go, using insults to hide your obvious associations, and your obvious agenda. It's obvious to posters what your game is....!!!
Tell us Badger, what is Buda's game? It's not at all obvious to us laymen. Maybe a seasoned and expert "researcher" like yourself could share it for everyone to see? Also, were Buda's insults worse than "halfwits" which is the insult you used?
Trying to pin the blame on me, when it's obvious that it's one of your camp.

The half-wit is the score hacker who hasn't the intellect to enter into the debate, and who obviously has no counter-argument or evidence to support the issues they seek to skew opinion on.

As you say, I do my research, and use epirical data to back up my points/views, unlike others who just attack and smear those who's opinions they disagree with, and haven't got a counter-argument which will stand up to scrutiny.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.[/p][/quote]No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.[/p][/quote]Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread![/p][/quote]"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.[/p][/quote]There you go, using insults to hide your obvious associations, and your obvious agenda. It's obvious to posters what your game is....!!![/p][/quote]Tell us Badger, what is Buda's game? It's not at all obvious to us laymen. Maybe a seasoned and expert "researcher" like yourself could share it for everyone to see? Also, were Buda's insults worse than "halfwits" which is the insult you used?[/p][/quote]Trying to pin the blame on me, when it's obvious that it's one of your camp. The half-wit is the score hacker who hasn't the intellect to enter into the debate, and who obviously has no counter-argument or evidence to support the issues they seek to skew opinion on. As you say, I do my research, and use epirical data to back up my points/views, unlike others who just attack and smear those who's opinions they disagree with, and haven't got a counter-argument which will stand up to scrutiny. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -34

4:18pm Wed 7 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Current unhacked score on my comment timed at 12.51pm: +5

Buzzz Light-year's unhacked score on his comment timed at 1.17pm: -3

Speaks for itself.

Why would I need or want to hack scores like that?

Obvious why the real score hacker would want to do it though!
Current unhacked score on my comment timed at 12.51pm: +5 Buzzz Light-year's unhacked score on his comment timed at 1.17pm: -3 Speaks for itself. Why would I need or want to hack scores like that? Obvious why the real score hacker would want to do it though! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -52

4:57pm Wed 7 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Some councils have already taken out traffic lights where it was viable to do so. I think it is in the South of the Midlands area of England.

Years ago Jersey had one for one flow driving at junctions; and it worked.

York is unique in different ways to most cities/towns but together we can overcome problems on congestion/air quality. The Lendal Bridge trial was courageous but badly handled, making the public's opinion on another Council plan to be looked on with suspicion.

What a shame it came to a head. But York must move forward.
If a bus station is unavoidable then so be it. But let's see it designed and planned with all York people contributing to the debates.
Some councils have already taken out traffic lights where it was viable to do so. I think it is in the South of the Midlands area of England. Years ago Jersey had one for one flow driving at junctions; and it worked. York is unique in different ways to most cities/towns but together we can overcome problems on congestion/air quality. The Lendal Bridge trial was courageous but badly handled, making the public's opinion on another Council plan to be looked on with suspicion. What a shame it came to a head. But York must move forward. If a bus station is unavoidable then so be it. But let's see it designed and planned with all York people contributing to the debates. Cheeky face
  • Score: -40

6:23pm Wed 7 May 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
bolero wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.
No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.
Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread!
"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.
There you go, using insults to hide your obvious associations, and your obvious agenda. It's obvious to posters what your game is....!!!
Tell us Badger, what is Buda's game? It's not at all obvious to us laymen. Maybe a seasoned and expert "researcher" like yourself could share it for everyone to see? Also, were Buda's insults worse than "halfwits" which is the insult you used?
Trying to pin the blame on me, when it's obvious that it's one of your camp.

The half-wit is the score hacker who hasn't the intellect to enter into the debate, and who obviously has no counter-argument or evidence to support the issues they seek to skew opinion on.

As you say, I do my research, and use epirical data to back up my points/views, unlike others who just attack and smear those who's opinions they disagree with, and haven't got a counter-argument which will stand up to scrutiny.
"your camp"
I'm in no camp. I have no affiliation with anyone here or their politics.
Once again the King of the False Dichotomy strikes.

Okay, so if you are so thorough with your research, let's see your data on the "score hacker"
We want some proof! All we hear is your smears and gossipy hints. Lay the real deal on us Mr Researcher.

You can't can you? Cos you're a fruit cake, a dreamer and a schemer. A nasty one at that.

"Show me the money"
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.[/p][/quote]No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.[/p][/quote]Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread![/p][/quote]"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.[/p][/quote]There you go, using insults to hide your obvious associations, and your obvious agenda. It's obvious to posters what your game is....!!![/p][/quote]Tell us Badger, what is Buda's game? It's not at all obvious to us laymen. Maybe a seasoned and expert "researcher" like yourself could share it for everyone to see? Also, were Buda's insults worse than "halfwits" which is the insult you used?[/p][/quote]Trying to pin the blame on me, when it's obvious that it's one of your camp. The half-wit is the score hacker who hasn't the intellect to enter into the debate, and who obviously has no counter-argument or evidence to support the issues they seek to skew opinion on. As you say, I do my research, and use epirical data to back up my points/views, unlike others who just attack and smear those who's opinions they disagree with, and haven't got a counter-argument which will stand up to scrutiny.[/p][/quote]"your camp" I'm in no camp. I have no affiliation with anyone here or their politics. Once again the King of the False Dichotomy strikes. Okay, so if you are so thorough with your research, let's see your data on the "score hacker" We want some proof! All we hear is your smears and gossipy hints. Lay the real deal on us Mr Researcher. You can't can you? Cos you're a fruit cake, a dreamer and a schemer. A nasty one at that. "Show me the money" Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 29

7:36pm Wed 7 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
bolero wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.
No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.
Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread!
"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.
There you go, using insults to hide your obvious associations, and your obvious agenda. It's obvious to posters what your game is....!!!
Tell us Badger, what is Buda's game? It's not at all obvious to us laymen. Maybe a seasoned and expert "researcher" like yourself could share it for everyone to see? Also, were Buda's insults worse than "halfwits" which is the insult you used?
Trying to pin the blame on me, when it's obvious that it's one of your camp. The half-wit is the score hacker who hasn't the intellect to enter into the debate, and who obviously has no counter-argument or evidence to support the issues they seek to skew opinion on. As you say, I do my research, and use epirical data to back up my points/views, unlike others who just attack and smear those who's opinions they disagree with, and haven't got a counter-argument which will stand up to scrutiny.
"your camp" I'm in no camp. I have no affiliation with anyone here or their politics. Once again the King of the False Dichotomy strikes. Okay, so if you are so thorough with your research, let's see your data on the "score hacker" We want some proof! All we hear is your smears and gossipy hints. Lay the real deal on us Mr Researcher. You can't can you? Cos you're a fruit cake, a dreamer and a schemer. A nasty one at that. "Show me the money"
Your usual cocky, arrogant, abusive self, I see.

Me, I'm an honest, straightforward, straight-talking, down to earth, York born citizen, like most on here, and not 'nasty' at all.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.[/p][/quote]No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.[/p][/quote]Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread![/p][/quote]"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.[/p][/quote]There you go, using insults to hide your obvious associations, and your obvious agenda. It's obvious to posters what your game is....!!![/p][/quote]Tell us Badger, what is Buda's game? It's not at all obvious to us laymen. Maybe a seasoned and expert "researcher" like yourself could share it for everyone to see? Also, were Buda's insults worse than "halfwits" which is the insult you used?[/p][/quote]Trying to pin the blame on me, when it's obvious that it's one of your camp. The half-wit is the score hacker who hasn't the intellect to enter into the debate, and who obviously has no counter-argument or evidence to support the issues they seek to skew opinion on. As you say, I do my research, and use epirical data to back up my points/views, unlike others who just attack and smear those who's opinions they disagree with, and haven't got a counter-argument which will stand up to scrutiny.[/p][/quote]"your camp" I'm in no camp. I have no affiliation with anyone here or their politics. Once again the King of the False Dichotomy strikes. Okay, so if you are so thorough with your research, let's see your data on the "score hacker" We want some proof! All we hear is your smears and gossipy hints. Lay the real deal on us Mr Researcher. You can't can you? Cos you're a fruit cake, a dreamer and a schemer. A nasty one at that. "Show me the money"[/p][/quote]Your usual cocky, arrogant, abusive self, I see. Me, I'm an honest, straightforward, straight-talking, down to earth, York born citizen, like most on here, and not 'nasty' at all. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -11

7:57pm Wed 7 May 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
bolero wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.
No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.
Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread!
"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.
There you go, using insults to hide your obvious associations, and your obvious agenda. It's obvious to posters what your game is....!!!
Tell us Badger, what is Buda's game? It's not at all obvious to us laymen. Maybe a seasoned and expert "researcher" like yourself could share it for everyone to see? Also, were Buda's insults worse than "halfwits" which is the insult you used?
Trying to pin the blame on me, when it's obvious that it's one of your camp. The half-wit is the score hacker who hasn't the intellect to enter into the debate, and who obviously has no counter-argument or evidence to support the issues they seek to skew opinion on. As you say, I do my research, and use epirical data to back up my points/views, unlike others who just attack and smear those who's opinions they disagree with, and haven't got a counter-argument which will stand up to scrutiny.
"your camp" I'm in no camp. I have no affiliation with anyone here or their politics. Once again the King of the False Dichotomy strikes. Okay, so if you are so thorough with your research, let's see your data on the "score hacker" We want some proof! All we hear is your smears and gossipy hints. Lay the real deal on us Mr Researcher. You can't can you? Cos you're a fruit cake, a dreamer and a schemer. A nasty one at that. "Show me the money"
Your usual cocky, arrogant, abusive self, I see.

Me, I'm an honest, straightforward, straight-talking, down to earth, York born citizen, like most on here, and not 'nasty' at all.
"Cocky"
Quote me cocky. Please.
"Arrogant"
Quote me arrogant. Please.
"Abusive"
Quote me abusive. Please.

You can't because I wasn't. You can't rewrite immediate history - it's all there for everyone to see!

Cocky, arrogant and abusive folk are the sort who get banned from the Press comments 6 or 7 times. They get their emails blocked by the council.

AGAIN - please show us your "empirical data"
Show us your evidence.
Show us how you *know* who the "score hacker" is.
Put your money where your mouth is. For once.

#showmethemoney
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.[/p][/quote]No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.[/p][/quote]Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread![/p][/quote]"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.[/p][/quote]There you go, using insults to hide your obvious associations, and your obvious agenda. It's obvious to posters what your game is....!!![/p][/quote]Tell us Badger, what is Buda's game? It's not at all obvious to us laymen. Maybe a seasoned and expert "researcher" like yourself could share it for everyone to see? Also, were Buda's insults worse than "halfwits" which is the insult you used?[/p][/quote]Trying to pin the blame on me, when it's obvious that it's one of your camp. The half-wit is the score hacker who hasn't the intellect to enter into the debate, and who obviously has no counter-argument or evidence to support the issues they seek to skew opinion on. As you say, I do my research, and use epirical data to back up my points/views, unlike others who just attack and smear those who's opinions they disagree with, and haven't got a counter-argument which will stand up to scrutiny.[/p][/quote]"your camp" I'm in no camp. I have no affiliation with anyone here or their politics. Once again the King of the False Dichotomy strikes. Okay, so if you are so thorough with your research, let's see your data on the "score hacker" We want some proof! All we hear is your smears and gossipy hints. Lay the real deal on us Mr Researcher. You can't can you? Cos you're a fruit cake, a dreamer and a schemer. A nasty one at that. "Show me the money"[/p][/quote]Your usual cocky, arrogant, abusive self, I see. Me, I'm an honest, straightforward, straight-talking, down to earth, York born citizen, like most on here, and not 'nasty' at all.[/p][/quote]"Cocky" Quote me cocky. Please. "Arrogant" Quote me arrogant. Please. "Abusive" Quote me abusive. Please. You can't because I wasn't. You can't rewrite immediate history - it's all there for everyone to see! Cocky, arrogant and abusive folk are the sort who get banned from the Press comments 6 or 7 times. They get their emails blocked by the council. AGAIN - please show us your "empirical data" Show us your evidence. Show us how you *know* who the "score hacker" is. Put your money where your mouth is. For once. #showmethemoney Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 27

10:53pm Wed 7 May 14

jay, york says...

I am totally sick of all the **** and name calling on this particular item on this site. What is it all about???

The fact is there was a cabinet meeting chaired by alexander. He said what everyone knew he would say - even after a 267 page report he had the nerve to saythat Lendal Bridge was a success, He truly does seem to believe that if he speaks, everyone will believe him. It may be true with all the yes men/ women of coyc, but not out in the real world.
He also made a lot of comments of "appreciation" to try and endear people to him and it is amazing how he suddenly wants to actually listen to and work with people now! He also made snide comments when non-cabinet people spoke and didnt allow any cabinet members to speak unless agreed beforehand.
Merrett spoke about the transport system when he is not even the minister any more, and he spoke with no confidence and totally bored the pants off everyone.. Just look at cabinets body language and what they were actually doing at the time - including writing notes to each other and rummaging in handbags (even KE).
And finally in a previous post on this site Jake777 tells us that there is no connection to to coyc in any way. Is that true? Or is it just a pure coincidence that this name is made up of the initials of JA and KE?.

No doubt I am going to be called delusional and paranoid by hoofy and/ or jakey and get really marked down by the mongrel yet again - but it does make you wonder..
.
I am totally sick of all the **** and name calling on this particular item on this site. What is it all about??? The fact is there was a cabinet meeting chaired by alexander. He said what everyone knew he would say - even after a 267 page report he had the nerve to saythat Lendal Bridge was a success, He truly does seem to believe that if he speaks, everyone will believe him. It may be true with all the yes men/ women of coyc, but not out in the real world. He also made a lot of comments of "appreciation" to try and endear people to him and it is amazing how he suddenly wants to actually listen to and work with people now! He also made snide comments when non-cabinet people spoke and didnt allow any cabinet members to speak unless agreed beforehand. Merrett spoke about the transport system when he is not even the minister any more, and he spoke with no confidence and totally bored the pants off everyone.. Just look at cabinets body language and what they were actually doing at the time - including writing notes to each other and rummaging in handbags (even KE). And finally in a previous post on this site Jake777 tells us that there is no connection to to coyc in any way. Is that true? Or is it just a pure coincidence that this name is made up of the initials of JA and KE?. No doubt I am going to be called delusional and paranoid by hoofy and/ or jakey and get really marked down by the mongrel yet again - but it does make you wonder.. . jay, york
  • Score: -73

11:06pm Wed 7 May 14

wilco says...

It was rather ironic that CYC produced a document regarding Lendal Bridge and Transport information, but where was the data to back up there evidence. I bet the CYC were unaware that First York buses were running buses throughout the day and night SORRY NOT IN SERVICE. I challenged the bus company to explain to me the reasons for this activity and the reply I got was these buses are late night buses which go from the depot on bus routes and then return to the depot. I have first hand knowledge of this as I have followed these buses which deviate off the service routes. I bet Councellor Merritt wasn't aware that this proceeder was happening and the lies coming out that more people were using the buses were just false. No wonder James Alexander moved him so that he didn't have to embarrass himself into answering awkward questions. And also when you want to speak to a member of the council for the Westfield Ward they just ignore you. Funny that once they get your vote you are totally oblivious to them. I have voted Labour all my life but I will never vote for Labour in local elections again because you are not interested in your constituents.
It was rather ironic that CYC produced a document regarding Lendal Bridge and Transport information, but where was the data to back up there evidence. I bet the CYC were unaware that First York buses were running buses throughout the day and night SORRY NOT IN SERVICE. I challenged the bus company to explain to me the reasons for this activity and the reply I got was these buses are late night buses which go from the depot on bus routes and then return to the depot. I have first hand knowledge of this as I have followed these buses which deviate off the service routes. I bet Councellor Merritt wasn't aware that this proceeder was happening and the lies coming out that more people were using the buses were just false. No wonder James Alexander moved him so that he didn't have to embarrass himself into answering awkward questions. And also when you want to speak to a member of the council for the Westfield Ward they just ignore you. Funny that once they get your vote you are totally oblivious to them. I have voted Labour all my life but I will never vote for Labour in local elections again because you are not interested in your constituents. wilco
  • Score: -78

11:07pm Wed 7 May 14

goatman says...

Sadly, the elected mongrels of all parties will spend their time telling you that black is white instead of making white whiter.

If only somebody would take an FOI request out asking how many times the York traffic light system has been amended since the Lendal Bridge,'experiment', and why all the monitor screens in CYC traffic offoce face outwards so that no other employees can see what is going on. Tonight it took me from 17:45 to 18:15 to travel from Wigginton to the hospital. Has the level of traffic increased so much since before the bridge closed, or is something else going on? You decide.
Sadly, the elected mongrels of all parties will spend their time telling you that black is white instead of making white whiter. If only somebody would take an FOI request out asking how many times the York traffic light system has been amended since the Lendal Bridge,'experiment', and why all the monitor screens in CYC traffic offoce face outwards so that no other employees can see what is going on. Tonight it took me from 17:45 to 18:15 to travel from Wigginton to the hospital. Has the level of traffic increased so much since before the bridge closed, or is something else going on? You decide. goatman
  • Score: -94

1:57am Thu 8 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

jay, york wrote:
I am totally sick of all the **** and name calling on this particular item on this site. What is it all about??? The fact is there was a cabinet meeting chaired by alexander. He said what everyone knew he would say - even after a 267 page report he had the nerve to saythat Lendal Bridge was a success, He truly does seem to believe that if he speaks, everyone will believe him. It may be true with all the yes men/ women of coyc, but not out in the real world. He also made a lot of comments of "appreciation" to try and endear people to him and it is amazing how he suddenly wants to actually listen to and work with people now! He also made snide comments when non-cabinet people spoke and didnt allow any cabinet members to speak unless agreed beforehand. Merrett spoke about the transport system when he is not even the minister any more, and he spoke with no confidence and totally bored the pants off everyone.. Just look at cabinets body language and what they were actually doing at the time - including writing notes to each other and rummaging in handbags (even KE). And finally in a previous post on this site Jake777 tells us that there is no connection to to coyc in any way. Is that true? Or is it just a pure coincidence that this name is made up of the initials of JA and KE?. No doubt I am going to be called delusional and paranoid by hoofy and/ or jakey and get really marked down by the mongrel yet again - but it does make you wonder.. .
You are indeed perceptive and insightful - your reading/observations of the cabinet 'performances' are exactly as I 'read' them. I was at the meeting.

James Alexander is an arrogant, ignorant, patronising, immature individual. I found his attitude an absolute disgrace. The meeting was a sham and a fiasco.
[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: I am totally sick of all the **** and name calling on this particular item on this site. What is it all about??? The fact is there was a cabinet meeting chaired by alexander. He said what everyone knew he would say - even after a 267 page report he had the nerve to saythat Lendal Bridge was a success, He truly does seem to believe that if he speaks, everyone will believe him. It may be true with all the yes men/ women of coyc, but not out in the real world. He also made a lot of comments of "appreciation" to try and endear people to him and it is amazing how he suddenly wants to actually listen to and work with people now! He also made snide comments when non-cabinet people spoke and didnt allow any cabinet members to speak unless agreed beforehand. Merrett spoke about the transport system when he is not even the minister any more, and he spoke with no confidence and totally bored the pants off everyone.. Just look at cabinets body language and what they were actually doing at the time - including writing notes to each other and rummaging in handbags (even KE). And finally in a previous post on this site Jake777 tells us that there is no connection to to coyc in any way. Is that true? Or is it just a pure coincidence that this name is made up of the initials of JA and KE?. No doubt I am going to be called delusional and paranoid by hoofy and/ or jakey and get really marked down by the mongrel yet again - but it does make you wonder.. .[/p][/quote]You are indeed perceptive and insightful - your reading/observations of the cabinet 'performances' are exactly as I 'read' them. I was at the meeting. James Alexander is an arrogant, ignorant, patronising, immature individual. I found his attitude an absolute disgrace. The meeting was a sham and a fiasco. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -132

2:06am Thu 8 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
bolero wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.
No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.
Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread!
"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.
There you go, using insults to hide your obvious associations, and your obvious agenda. It's obvious to posters what your game is....!!!
Tell us Badger, what is Buda's game? It's not at all obvious to us laymen. Maybe a seasoned and expert "researcher" like yourself could share it for everyone to see? Also, were Buda's insults worse than "halfwits" which is the insult you used?
Trying to pin the blame on me, when it's obvious that it's one of your camp. The half-wit is the score hacker who hasn't the intellect to enter into the debate, and who obviously has no counter-argument or evidence to support the issues they seek to skew opinion on. As you say, I do my research, and use epirical data to back up my points/views, unlike others who just attack and smear those who's opinions they disagree with, and haven't got a counter-argument which will stand up to scrutiny.
"your camp" I'm in no camp. I have no affiliation with anyone here or their politics. Once again the King of the False Dichotomy strikes. Okay, so if you are so thorough with your research, let's see your data on the "score hacker" We want some proof! All we hear is your smears and gossipy hints. Lay the real deal on us Mr Researcher. You can't can you? Cos you're a fruit cake, a dreamer and a schemer. A nasty one at that. "Show me the money"
Your usual cocky, arrogant, abusive self, I see. Me, I'm an honest, straightforward, straight-talking, down to earth, York born citizen, like most on here, and not 'nasty' at all.
"Cocky" Quote me cocky. Please. "Arrogant" Quote me arrogant. Please. "Abusive" Quote me abusive. Please. You can't because I wasn't. You can't rewrite immediate history - it's all there for everyone to see! Cocky, arrogant and abusive folk are the sort who get banned from the Press comments 6 or 7 times. They get their emails blocked by the council. AGAIN - please show us your "empirical data" Show us your evidence. Show us how you *know* who the "score hacker" is. Put your money where your mouth is. For once. #showmethemoney
In your book calling me 'despicable pondlife' is not abusive ?

I will let others judge who is telling the truth.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Judging by these comments the `Brainless wonder` should have a field day with their vote rigging.[/p][/quote]No need to call Badger a "Brainless Wonder" however funny it is.[/p][/quote]Stop defending one of your own Buda, by wrongly alleging that I'm the score hacker. The distraction fools no one, not even the halfwits in your camp. Who the score hacker really is, is clear on the 'Install Farage' letter comments thread![/p][/quote]"one of my own", "your camp" What on earth are you on about man? Your ramblings are starting to more and more extreme. Get help, seriously go see your GP.[/p][/quote]There you go, using insults to hide your obvious associations, and your obvious agenda. It's obvious to posters what your game is....!!![/p][/quote]Tell us Badger, what is Buda's game? It's not at all obvious to us laymen. Maybe a seasoned and expert "researcher" like yourself could share it for everyone to see? Also, were Buda's insults worse than "halfwits" which is the insult you used?[/p][/quote]Trying to pin the blame on me, when it's obvious that it's one of your camp. The half-wit is the score hacker who hasn't the intellect to enter into the debate, and who obviously has no counter-argument or evidence to support the issues they seek to skew opinion on. As you say, I do my research, and use epirical data to back up my points/views, unlike others who just attack and smear those who's opinions they disagree with, and haven't got a counter-argument which will stand up to scrutiny.[/p][/quote]"your camp" I'm in no camp. I have no affiliation with anyone here or their politics. Once again the King of the False Dichotomy strikes. Okay, so if you are so thorough with your research, let's see your data on the "score hacker" We want some proof! All we hear is your smears and gossipy hints. Lay the real deal on us Mr Researcher. You can't can you? Cos you're a fruit cake, a dreamer and a schemer. A nasty one at that. "Show me the money"[/p][/quote]Your usual cocky, arrogant, abusive self, I see. Me, I'm an honest, straightforward, straight-talking, down to earth, York born citizen, like most on here, and not 'nasty' at all.[/p][/quote]"Cocky" Quote me cocky. Please. "Arrogant" Quote me arrogant. Please. "Abusive" Quote me abusive. Please. You can't because I wasn't. You can't rewrite immediate history - it's all there for everyone to see! Cocky, arrogant and abusive folk are the sort who get banned from the Press comments 6 or 7 times. They get their emails blocked by the council. AGAIN - please show us your "empirical data" Show us your evidence. Show us how you *know* who the "score hacker" is. Put your money where your mouth is. For once. #showmethemoney[/p][/quote]In your book calling me 'despicable pondlife' is not abusive ? I will let others judge who is telling the truth. Badgers Drift
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8:48am Thu 8 May 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Where on this page have I said despicable pond life?
Your comment referred to this page. Quote me.
Where on this page have I said despicable pond life? Your comment referred to this page. Quote me. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

9:43am Thu 8 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Jay/Badgers Drift, Good comments. If the council are to listen to us then why do they ignore questions? My long outstanding queries are still unanswered and the feedback team have told me to go to the Ombudsman. No responses to me,( following numerous e-mails), from Kerstan England, Ruth Stephenson, James Alexander, David Levene although I had a quarter reply from the latter which I refused, because he preferred e-mails! If he prefers e-mails then why did he, and the others, not reply?

The guy on Look North talked a lot about his report but said very little.

Why the flack at other contributors on debates?I hope the Press can step in. Interpersonal skills are not that complex!

Council want you people to cut down on car journeys into York and at the same time encourage car drivers to drive in for free parking three mornings a week, coinciding with the school run!!

The debate goes on but my earlier comments are still valid. Have a good day.
Jay/Badgers Drift, Good comments. If the council are to listen to us then why do they ignore questions? My long outstanding queries are still unanswered and the feedback team have told me to go to the Ombudsman. No responses to me,( following numerous e-mails), from Kerstan England, Ruth Stephenson, James Alexander, David Levene although I had a quarter reply from the latter which I refused, because he preferred e-mails! If he prefers e-mails then why did he, and the others, not reply? The guy on Look North talked a lot about his report but said very little. Why the flack at other contributors on debates?I hope the Press can step in. Interpersonal skills are not that complex! Council want you people to cut down on car journeys into York and at the same time encourage car drivers to drive in for free parking three mornings a week, coinciding with the school run!! The debate goes on but my earlier comments are still valid. Have a good day. Cheeky face
  • Score: -1

3:29pm Thu 8 May 14

jake777 says...

jay, york wrote:
I am totally sick of all the **** and name calling on this particular item on this site. What is it all about???

The fact is there was a cabinet meeting chaired by alexander. He said what everyone knew he would say - even after a 267 page report he had the nerve to saythat Lendal Bridge was a success, He truly does seem to believe that if he speaks, everyone will believe him. It may be true with all the yes men/ women of coyc, but not out in the real world.
He also made a lot of comments of "appreciation" to try and endear people to him and it is amazing how he suddenly wants to actually listen to and work with people now! He also made snide comments when non-cabinet people spoke and didnt allow any cabinet members to speak unless agreed beforehand.
Merrett spoke about the transport system when he is not even the minister any more, and he spoke with no confidence and totally bored the pants off everyone.. Just look at cabinets body language and what they were actually doing at the time - including writing notes to each other and rummaging in handbags (even KE).
And finally in a previous post on this site Jake777 tells us that there is no connection to to coyc in any way. Is that true? Or is it just a pure coincidence that this name is made up of the initials of JA and KE?.

No doubt I am going to be called delusional and paranoid by hoofy and/ or jakey and get really marked down by the mongrel yet again - but it does make you wonder..
.
You really dont have any brains, and what part of I have no connection to the council do you not understand. Go and read your Beano comic god help you.
[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: I am totally sick of all the **** and name calling on this particular item on this site. What is it all about??? The fact is there was a cabinet meeting chaired by alexander. He said what everyone knew he would say - even after a 267 page report he had the nerve to saythat Lendal Bridge was a success, He truly does seem to believe that if he speaks, everyone will believe him. It may be true with all the yes men/ women of coyc, but not out in the real world. He also made a lot of comments of "appreciation" to try and endear people to him and it is amazing how he suddenly wants to actually listen to and work with people now! He also made snide comments when non-cabinet people spoke and didnt allow any cabinet members to speak unless agreed beforehand. Merrett spoke about the transport system when he is not even the minister any more, and he spoke with no confidence and totally bored the pants off everyone.. Just look at cabinets body language and what they were actually doing at the time - including writing notes to each other and rummaging in handbags (even KE). And finally in a previous post on this site Jake777 tells us that there is no connection to to coyc in any way. Is that true? Or is it just a pure coincidence that this name is made up of the initials of JA and KE?. No doubt I am going to be called delusional and paranoid by hoofy and/ or jakey and get really marked down by the mongrel yet again - but it does make you wonder.. .[/p][/quote]You really dont have any brains, and what part of I have no connection to the council do you not understand. Go and read your Beano comic god help you. jake777
  • Score: -1

3:38pm Thu 8 May 14

jake777 says...

wilco wrote:
It was rather ironic that CYC produced a document regarding Lendal Bridge and Transport information, but where was the data to back up there evidence. I bet the CYC were unaware that First York buses were running buses throughout the day and night SORRY NOT IN SERVICE. I challenged the bus company to explain to me the reasons for this activity and the reply I got was these buses are late night buses which go from the depot on bus routes and then return to the depot. I have first hand knowledge of this as I have followed these buses which deviate off the service routes. I bet Councellor Merritt wasn't aware that this proceeder was happening and the lies coming out that more people were using the buses were just false. No wonder James Alexander moved him so that he didn't have to embarrass himself into answering awkward questions. And also when you want to speak to a member of the council for the Westfield Ward they just ignore you. Funny that once they get your vote you are totally oblivious to them. I have voted Labour all my life but I will never vote for Labour in local elections again because you are not interested in your constituents.
A bus stalker heard of bus spotter bus this is a first sad person.
[quote][p][bold]wilco[/bold] wrote: It was rather ironic that CYC produced a document regarding Lendal Bridge and Transport information, but where was the data to back up there evidence. I bet the CYC were unaware that First York buses were running buses throughout the day and night SORRY NOT IN SERVICE. I challenged the bus company to explain to me the reasons for this activity and the reply I got was these buses are late night buses which go from the depot on bus routes and then return to the depot. I have first hand knowledge of this as I have followed these buses which deviate off the service routes. I bet Councellor Merritt wasn't aware that this proceeder was happening and the lies coming out that more people were using the buses were just false. No wonder James Alexander moved him so that he didn't have to embarrass himself into answering awkward questions. And also when you want to speak to a member of the council for the Westfield Ward they just ignore you. Funny that once they get your vote you are totally oblivious to them. I have voted Labour all my life but I will never vote for Labour in local elections again because you are not interested in your constituents.[/p][/quote]A bus stalker heard of bus spotter bus this is a first sad person. jake777
  • Score: -1

4:08pm Thu 8 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
goatman wrote:
Maybe somebody could write into the Press saying how much they dislike so-and-so for whatever reason, and that could become the mud-slinging thread. Then those of us that would like to have a reasoned debate could stay on-topic on these letters.
Yes as a new comer, I do find it strange how the original thread of this comment has gotten side tracked with other personal issues.
Jake777 - as you can see from my reply to goatman, I don't understand the vitriolic comments that you and others sling at each other, as a new comer I thought these pages were to debate or give constructive views, seems I am wrong
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goatman[/bold] wrote: Maybe somebody could write into the Press saying how much they dislike so-and-so for whatever reason, and that could become the mud-slinging thread. Then those of us that would like to have a reasoned debate could stay on-topic on these letters.[/p][/quote]Yes as a new comer, I do find it strange how the original thread of this comment has gotten side tracked with other personal issues.[/p][/quote]Jake777 - as you can see from my reply to goatman, I don't understand the vitriolic comments that you and others sling at each other, as a new comer I thought these pages were to debate or give constructive views, seems I am wrong notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 3

4:51pm Thu 8 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Notpedallingpaul,

You are right - this is a site for comment/opinion/deba
te. This item is definitely for debate; and I trust the Press can, perhaps, remind contributors of of this

.FOI request by me has been threatened, but I can't get normal questions answered - hence LGO have been approached.

Anyone know how the cross party group is being arranged. Road users need to be included!
Notpedallingpaul, You are right - this is a site for comment/opinion/deba te. This item is definitely for debate; and I trust the Press can, perhaps, remind contributors of of this .FOI request by me has been threatened, but I can't get normal questions answered - hence LGO have been approached. Anyone know how the cross party group is being arranged. Road users need to be included! Cheeky face
  • Score: -1

12:47pm Fri 9 May 14

Cheeky face says...

I received a phone call from Ruth Stephenson to-day. I trust she/myself can liaise and discuss my long outstanding issues next week.

I felt to-day she really was listening!
I received a phone call from Ruth Stephenson to-day. I trust she/myself can liaise and discuss my long outstanding issues next week. I felt to-day she really was listening! Cheeky face
  • Score: -1

4:45pm Fri 9 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Cheeky face wrote:
Notpedallingpaul,

You are right - this is a site for comment/opinion/deba

te. This item is definitely for debate; and I trust the Press can, perhaps, remind contributors of of this

.FOI request by me has been threatened, but I can't get normal questions answered - hence LGO have been approached.

Anyone know how the cross party group is being arranged. Road users need to be included!
I hope the cross party talks on congestion we have been promised are not hijacked by those with a skewed personal agenda like some commenters on these pages, and it truly is in the interests of the city.
[quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: Notpedallingpaul, You are right - this is a site for comment/opinion/deba te. This item is definitely for debate; and I trust the Press can, perhaps, remind contributors of of this .FOI request by me has been threatened, but I can't get normal questions answered - hence LGO have been approached. Anyone know how the cross party group is being arranged. Road users need to be included![/p][/quote]I hope the cross party talks on congestion we have been promised are not hijacked by those with a skewed personal agenda like some commenters on these pages, and it truly is in the interests of the city. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -1

8:29pm Fri 9 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Notpedalling paul. Noted.

Surprise, surprise.

2 days after getting an LGO ref number I get a return call from the council. This in response to my urgent call of 27.4.2014 to Ruth Stephenson!

I briefly mentioned my views on York's future transport/air quality and Ruth Stephenson promised to come back to me next week to answer my long outstanding issues.

P and R, footbridge, new road bridge, car sharing, Lendal Bridge, Legal issues, Coppergate still not right and sensible talks via cross party were mentioned by me.

So I expect action next week!

There is a lot for City of York council to do before the Tour De France- particularly road marking, box junctions faded etc.

I am experienced enough to "listen to what has not been said" when government officials reply to anyone
Notpedalling paul. Noted. Surprise, surprise. 2 days after getting an LGO ref number I get a return call from the council. This in response to my urgent call of 27.4.2014 to Ruth Stephenson! I briefly mentioned my views on York's future transport/air quality and Ruth Stephenson promised to come back to me next week to answer my long outstanding issues. P and R, footbridge, new road bridge, car sharing, Lendal Bridge, Legal issues, Coppergate still not right and sensible talks via cross party were mentioned by me. So I expect action next week! There is a lot for City of York council to do before the Tour De France- particularly road marking, box junctions faded etc. I am experienced enough to "listen to what has not been said" when government officials reply to anyone Cheeky face
  • Score: -1

12:20am Sat 10 May 14

jay, york says...

Keep up the good work and good comments everyone. Speak out.

York Press should be ashamed of themselves for some of the posts they allow on here. I too understood this is supposed to be a site for constructive comments and debate. Yet some people appear to get away with having more than one sign in (probably useful to them if one of sign in gets banned), being rude and offensive in their comments just for the sake of it, and being able to mark down comments at will.
It is about time York Press get to grips with this and stop all this abuse of the system..
Keep up the good work and good comments everyone. Speak out. York Press should be ashamed of themselves for some of the posts they allow on here. I too understood this is supposed to be a site for constructive comments and debate. Yet some people appear to get away with having more than one sign in (probably useful to them if one of sign in gets banned), being rude and offensive in their comments just for the sake of it, and being able to mark down comments at will. It is about time York Press get to grips with this and stop all this abuse of the system.. jay, york
  • Score: -1

12:24am Sat 10 May 14

jay, york says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
jay, york wrote: I am totally sick of all the **** and name calling on this particular item on this site. What is it all about??? The fact is there was a cabinet meeting chaired by alexander. He said what everyone knew he would say - even after a 267 page report he had the nerve to saythat Lendal Bridge was a success, He truly does seem to believe that if he speaks, everyone will believe him. It may be true with all the yes men/ women of coyc, but not out in the real world. He also made a lot of comments of "appreciation" to try and endear people to him and it is amazing how he suddenly wants to actually listen to and work with people now! He also made snide comments when non-cabinet people spoke and didnt allow any cabinet members to speak unless agreed beforehand. Merrett spoke about the transport system when he is not even the minister any more, and he spoke with no confidence and totally bored the pants off everyone.. Just look at cabinets body language and what they were actually doing at the time - including writing notes to each other and rummaging in handbags (even KE). And finally in a previous post on this site Jake777 tells us that there is no connection to to coyc in any way. Is that true? Or is it just a pure coincidence that this name is made up of the initials of JA and KE?. No doubt I am going to be called delusional and paranoid by hoofy and/ or jakey and get really marked down by the mongrel yet again - but it does make you wonder.. .
You are indeed perceptive and insightful - your reading/observations of the cabinet 'performances' are exactly as I 'read' them. I was at the meeting. James Alexander is an arrogant, ignorant, patronising, immature individual. I found his attitude an absolute disgrace. The meeting was a sham and a fiasco.
Minus marks from the mongrel mean we are absolutely spot on!!
and if we can see it so clearly, it means that many other people can.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: I am totally sick of all the **** and name calling on this particular item on this site. What is it all about??? The fact is there was a cabinet meeting chaired by alexander. He said what everyone knew he would say - even after a 267 page report he had the nerve to saythat Lendal Bridge was a success, He truly does seem to believe that if he speaks, everyone will believe him. It may be true with all the yes men/ women of coyc, but not out in the real world. He also made a lot of comments of "appreciation" to try and endear people to him and it is amazing how he suddenly wants to actually listen to and work with people now! He also made snide comments when non-cabinet people spoke and didnt allow any cabinet members to speak unless agreed beforehand. Merrett spoke about the transport system when he is not even the minister any more, and he spoke with no confidence and totally bored the pants off everyone.. Just look at cabinets body language and what they were actually doing at the time - including writing notes to each other and rummaging in handbags (even KE). And finally in a previous post on this site Jake777 tells us that there is no connection to to coyc in any way. Is that true? Or is it just a pure coincidence that this name is made up of the initials of JA and KE?. No doubt I am going to be called delusional and paranoid by hoofy and/ or jakey and get really marked down by the mongrel yet again - but it does make you wonder.. .[/p][/quote]You are indeed perceptive and insightful - your reading/observations of the cabinet 'performances' are exactly as I 'read' them. I was at the meeting. James Alexander is an arrogant, ignorant, patronising, immature individual. I found his attitude an absolute disgrace. The meeting was a sham and a fiasco.[/p][/quote]Minus marks from the mongrel mean we are absolutely spot on!! and if we can see it so clearly, it means that many other people can. jay, york
  • Score: -1

9:44am Sat 10 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Jay/Badgers Drift,

To see to-day's Press page 2.
We need to comment on that article asap.


Ruth spoke with me yesterday for 35minutes. Incidentally 9 times I have read/heard that Dave Merritt spoke to DVLA re using registered keepers address info for warning letter rather than issue PCNs. Now Ruth says he did not make such a call - a junior member of the council's employees did!
I asked for details of the call, but will I get a comprehensive response. That issue seems to have been fudged or a misunderstanding occurred. Either way it was a massive decision but does not appear to have been handled properly. Some councils do send warning letters!

If the draft report to cabinet was manipulated recklessly then that is a concern.
Jay/Badgers Drift, To see to-day's Press page 2. We need to comment on that article asap. Ruth spoke with me yesterday for 35minutes. Incidentally 9 times I have read/heard that Dave Merritt spoke to DVLA re using registered keepers address info for warning letter rather than issue PCNs. Now Ruth says he did not make such a call - a junior member of the council's employees did! I asked for details of the call, but will I get a comprehensive response. That issue seems to have been fudged or a misunderstanding occurred. Either way it was a massive decision but does not appear to have been handled properly. Some councils do send warning letters! If the draft report to cabinet was manipulated recklessly then that is a concern. Cheeky face
  • Score: 0

9:07am Sun 8 Jun 14

maybejustmaybe says...

I'll say it, recovery facility = drunk tank
I'll say it, recovery facility = drunk tank maybejustmaybe
  • Score: 0

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