York's Tour de France legacy 'in doubt' due to poor condition of cycle paths

York cycle legacy 'in doubt'

York cycle legacy 'in doubt'

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THE legacy of York’s involvement in this summer’s Tour De France Grand Depart could be threatened by the poor condition of local cycle paths, Liberal Democrat councillors have claimed.

Huntington & New Earswick councillors have highlighted cycle paths on Huntington Road and North Moor Road, which they say have deteriorated so much over the last three years that their condition is now “unacceptable”.

They said they had recently surveyed 2,000 households in Huntington asking them about the quality of services in the area and many had highlighted the worsening condition of cycle paths.

Cllr Keith Orrell said the cycle lanes had really deteriorated as Labour-run City of York Council had cut the budget for road maintenance year after year. “Labour say they want to build a legacy after this summer’s Tour De France and get more people cycling,” he said. “This will not happen unless the right facilities, such as good cycle lanes, are in place across York.”

But Labour cabinet member for transport, Cllr David Levene, said there was an established set ofcriteria for repairs to roads and footpaths and this criteria was followed in a fair way and based on an assessed level of need.

“Lib Dem councillors would do better to look at themselves and support for their party in explaining why funding is limited for such work when the party has agreed cuts of over a third to the council’s funding from Government,” he added.

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11:12am Sat 3 May 14

bolero says...

The Lib Dems really are scraping the barrel aren't they? Whilst not a terrific supporter of The Tour de France I just wonder what these lot are trying to prove.Considering the mess they made when in power at Clifton Green and Fulford for example and the money they wasted I think it best they keep quiet because we haven't forgotten. I understand they are also claiming credit for the reopening of Lendal Bridge. Really!
The Lib Dems really are scraping the barrel aren't they? Whilst not a terrific supporter of The Tour de France I just wonder what these lot are trying to prove.Considering the mess they made when in power at Clifton Green and Fulford for example and the money they wasted I think it best they keep quiet because we haven't forgotten. I understand they are also claiming credit for the reopening of Lendal Bridge. Really! bolero
  • Score: 8

12:08pm Sat 3 May 14

Dave Ruddock says...

As a Cyclist and now deprived on my bike (Stolen), think it time that the police got their "Shop" in order or these cycle thieves will have the time of their lives. As for Tour De Yorkshire, its a sad fact that most paths and dangerous, the lime (or what ever paint used last about 6 months rain and dissolves, Do any of the Political Parties remember Rowntrees, Terrys, Railway works at shift change, guess not
As a Cyclist and now deprived on my bike (Stolen), think it time that the police got their "Shop" in order or these cycle thieves will have the time of their lives. As for Tour De Yorkshire, its a sad fact that most paths and dangerous, the lime (or what ever paint used last about 6 months rain and dissolves, Do any of the Political Parties remember Rowntrees, Terrys, Railway works at shift change, guess not Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 17

12:22pm Sat 3 May 14

baileyuk says...

its because most of the lycra clad muppets are currently playing i own the road in the bishop wilton/pocklington areas,,, how they can defend riding 3-4 a breast around narrow lanes where they cannot see if anything is coming the other way is beyond me.
its because most of the lycra clad muppets are currently playing i own the road in the bishop wilton/pocklington areas,,, how they can defend riding 3-4 a breast around narrow lanes where they cannot see if anything is coming the other way is beyond me. baileyuk
  • Score: -45

1:18pm Sat 3 May 14

eeoodares says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
As a Cyclist and now deprived on my bike (Stolen), think it time that the police got their "Shop" in order or these cycle thieves will have the time of their lives. As for Tour De Yorkshire, its a sad fact that most paths and dangerous, the lime (or what ever paint used last about 6 months rain and dissolves, Do any of the Political Parties remember Rowntrees, Terrys, Railway works at shift change, guess not
The amount of bike stolen in York is staggering.

I remember the workers leaving Rowntrees, it was incredible seeing them dash out on their bikes.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: As a Cyclist and now deprived on my bike (Stolen), think it time that the police got their "Shop" in order or these cycle thieves will have the time of their lives. As for Tour De Yorkshire, its a sad fact that most paths and dangerous, the lime (or what ever paint used last about 6 months rain and dissolves, Do any of the Political Parties remember Rowntrees, Terrys, Railway works at shift change, guess not[/p][/quote]The amount of bike stolen in York is staggering. I remember the workers leaving Rowntrees, it was incredible seeing them dash out on their bikes. eeoodares
  • Score: 15

1:25pm Sat 3 May 14

pedalling paul says...

The Tour de France legacy will encourage utility and commuter cycling but equally leisure cycling on the Sustrans National Cycle Network routes which enter/leave York. Govt cuts may well compel Sustrans bids for Local Authority funds to keep these well maintained. The current annual national spend of £2 per population head on cycling needs increasing to at least £10 per head to maintain and improve infrastructure to levels which encourage modal shift.
This can only come from Govt. Rather silly of York's LibDems to hang this issue onto a TdF peg, and use it for opportunistic Labour bashing. Only cross -party concensus on a sensible transport policy will bring positive long term benefits..
The Tour de France legacy will encourage utility and commuter cycling but equally leisure cycling on the Sustrans National Cycle Network routes which enter/leave York. Govt cuts may well compel Sustrans bids for Local Authority funds to keep these well maintained. The current annual national spend of £2 per population head on cycling needs increasing to at least £10 per head to maintain and improve infrastructure to levels which encourage modal shift. This can only come from Govt. Rather silly of York's LibDems to hang this issue onto a TdF peg, and use it for opportunistic Labour bashing. Only cross -party concensus on a sensible transport policy will bring positive long term benefits.. pedalling paul
  • Score: 8

1:36pm Sat 3 May 14

marvell says...

All Tour de France will leave is a legacy of debt. You just wait and see how much they overspend...
All Tour de France will leave is a legacy of debt. You just wait and see how much they overspend... marvell
  • Score: -65

4:33pm Sat 3 May 14

courier46 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The Tour de France legacy will encourage utility and commuter cycling but equally leisure cycling on the Sustrans National Cycle Network routes which enter/leave York. Govt cuts may well compel Sustrans bids for Local Authority funds to keep these well maintained. The current annual national spend of £2 per population head on cycling needs increasing to at least £10 per head to maintain and improve infrastructure to levels which encourage modal shift.
This can only come from Govt. Rather silly of York's LibDems to hang this issue onto a TdF peg, and use it for opportunistic Labour bashing. Only cross -party concensus on a sensible transport policy will bring positive long term benefits..
It`s about time each cyclist had to have a license by law as do motorists and then we can at least have some form of check on the increasing number who seem to think it`s ok to ride on paths and too many to mention other unsocial not to mention dangerous acts.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The Tour de France legacy will encourage utility and commuter cycling but equally leisure cycling on the Sustrans National Cycle Network routes which enter/leave York. Govt cuts may well compel Sustrans bids for Local Authority funds to keep these well maintained. The current annual national spend of £2 per population head on cycling needs increasing to at least £10 per head to maintain and improve infrastructure to levels which encourage modal shift. This can only come from Govt. Rather silly of York's LibDems to hang this issue onto a TdF peg, and use it for opportunistic Labour bashing. Only cross -party concensus on a sensible transport policy will bring positive long term benefits..[/p][/quote]It`s about time each cyclist had to have a license by law as do motorists and then we can at least have some form of check on the increasing number who seem to think it`s ok to ride on paths and too many to mention other unsocial not to mention dangerous acts. courier46
  • Score: -28

4:43pm Sat 3 May 14

smudge2 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The Tour de France legacy will encourage utility and commuter cycling but equally leisure cycling on the Sustrans National Cycle Network routes which enter/leave York. Govt cuts may well compel Sustrans bids for Local Authority funds to keep these well maintained. The current annual national spend of £2 per population head on cycling needs increasing to at least £10 per head to maintain and improve infrastructure to levels which encourage modal shift.
This can only come from Govt. Rather silly of York's LibDems to hang this issue onto a TdF peg, and use it for opportunistic Labour bashing. Only cross -party concensus on a sensible transport policy will bring positive long term benefits..
Winding York residents up again Paul......One day your chickens will come home to roost ????
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The Tour de France legacy will encourage utility and commuter cycling but equally leisure cycling on the Sustrans National Cycle Network routes which enter/leave York. Govt cuts may well compel Sustrans bids for Local Authority funds to keep these well maintained. The current annual national spend of £2 per population head on cycling needs increasing to at least £10 per head to maintain and improve infrastructure to levels which encourage modal shift. This can only come from Govt. Rather silly of York's LibDems to hang this issue onto a TdF peg, and use it for opportunistic Labour bashing. Only cross -party concensus on a sensible transport policy will bring positive long term benefits..[/p][/quote]Winding York residents up again Paul......One day your chickens will come home to roost ???? smudge2
  • Score: -93

4:45pm Sat 3 May 14

bolero says...

PP is about with his vote wrecking again.
PP is about with his vote wrecking again. bolero
  • Score: -67

7:40pm Sat 3 May 14

Sillybillies says...

The farce will cost the York economy a bomb as our usual visitors and spenders of time and money in York and surrounding boycott the place. The legacy will like that of the London Olympics - a load of money down the drain and nothing else, how predictable.
The farce will cost the York economy a bomb as our usual visitors and spenders of time and money in York and surrounding boycott the place. The legacy will like that of the London Olympics - a load of money down the drain and nothing else, how predictable. Sillybillies
  • Score: -89

7:34am Sun 4 May 14

Tom6187 says...

There is no legacy, you're all delusional, it's a pedal cycle race with a terrible history of drug cheats, the cyclists will pass by the sad gits watching it in a matter of seconds and that is that, get a grip.
There is no legacy, you're all delusional, it's a pedal cycle race with a terrible history of drug cheats, the cyclists will pass by the sad gits watching it in a matter of seconds and that is that, get a grip. Tom6187
  • Score: -18

8:22am Sun 4 May 14

Woody G Mellor says...

I see the disillusioned score adjuster is at it again. Bless.
I see the disillusioned score adjuster is at it again. Bless. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -182

9:46am Sun 4 May 14

RingoStarr says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
I see the disillusioned score adjuster is at it again. Bless.
Yes, you're absolutely right. I think it's called 'Vote Rigging' but, then again, he will know ALL about that! C'mon, saddo, give me -87
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: I see the disillusioned score adjuster is at it again. Bless.[/p][/quote]Yes, you're absolutely right. I think it's called 'Vote Rigging' but, then again, he will know ALL about that! C'mon, saddo, give me -87 RingoStarr
  • Score: -121

10:45am Sun 4 May 14

Bad magic says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The Tour de France legacy will encourage utility and commuter cycling but equally leisure cycling on the Sustrans National Cycle Network routes which enter/leave York. Govt cuts may well compel Sustrans bids for Local Authority funds to keep these well maintained. The current annual national spend of £2 per population head on cycling needs increasing to at least £10 per head to maintain and improve infrastructure to levels which encourage modal shift.
This can only come from Govt. Rather silly of York's LibDems to hang this issue onto a TdF peg, and use it for opportunistic Labour bashing. Only cross -party concensus on a sensible transport policy will bring positive long term benefits..
You are not wasting £10 of mine on cyclists, you berk.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The Tour de France legacy will encourage utility and commuter cycling but equally leisure cycling on the Sustrans National Cycle Network routes which enter/leave York. Govt cuts may well compel Sustrans bids for Local Authority funds to keep these well maintained. The current annual national spend of £2 per population head on cycling needs increasing to at least £10 per head to maintain and improve infrastructure to levels which encourage modal shift. This can only come from Govt. Rather silly of York's LibDems to hang this issue onto a TdF peg, and use it for opportunistic Labour bashing. Only cross -party concensus on a sensible transport policy will bring positive long term benefits..[/p][/quote]You are not wasting £10 of mine on cyclists, you berk. Bad magic
  • Score: -49

10:49am Sun 4 May 14

Yorkshine1 says...

boring.
boring. Yorkshine1
  • Score: -21

4:12pm Sun 4 May 14

its-a-secret says...

Most Cycle paths are in better condition than the roads!

Rather than spend money on a cycle path that most cyclists ignore anyway as they would rather cycle in the middle of the road, why not improve the roads and fill in the pot holes so the people who pay road tax, insurance tax, fuel duty, VAT on the fuel don't have to play avoid the big hole.

And before some people moan at me, yes I am aware that most cyclists will also use a car and pay all of the above.
Most Cycle paths are in better condition than the roads! Rather than spend money on a cycle path that most cyclists ignore anyway as they would rather cycle in the middle of the road, why not improve the roads and fill in the pot holes so the people who pay road tax, insurance tax, fuel duty, VAT on the fuel don't have to play avoid the big hole. And before some people moan at me, yes I am aware that most cyclists will also use a car and pay all of the above. its-a-secret
  • Score: -82

6:57pm Sun 4 May 14

Woody G Mellor says...

RingoStarr wrote:
Woody G Mellor wrote:
I see the disillusioned score adjuster is at it again. Bless.
Yes, you're absolutely right. I think it's called 'Vote Rigging' but, then again, he will know ALL about that! C'mon, saddo, give me -87
Aww. Ain't she sweet though. And big and clever too! We are so impressed little score adjuster. You are so clever!
[quote][p][bold]RingoStarr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: I see the disillusioned score adjuster is at it again. Bless.[/p][/quote]Yes, you're absolutely right. I think it's called 'Vote Rigging' but, then again, he will know ALL about that! C'mon, saddo, give me -87[/p][/quote]Aww. Ain't she sweet though. And big and clever too! We are so impressed little score adjuster. You are so clever! Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -67

7:51pm Sun 4 May 14

acomblass says...

The comments of Cllr Levene are arrogant but hardly surprising. His mentor is James Alexander - a man who has absolutely no interest in the City of York and its residents.
The comments of Cllr Levene are arrogant but hardly surprising. His mentor is James Alexander - a man who has absolutely no interest in the City of York and its residents. acomblass
  • Score: -33

9:29pm Sun 4 May 14

bolero says...

its-a-secret wrote:
Most Cycle paths are in better condition than the roads!

Rather than spend money on a cycle path that most cyclists ignore anyway as they would rather cycle in the middle of the road, why not improve the roads and fill in the pot holes so the people who pay road tax, insurance tax, fuel duty, VAT on the fuel don't have to play avoid the big hole.

And before some people moan at me, yes I am aware that most cyclists will also use a car and pay all of the above.
Yes, Yes, Yes. You get my vote and the silly little so- and-so can't alter that.
+100
[quote][p][bold]its-a-secret[/bold] wrote: Most Cycle paths are in better condition than the roads! Rather than spend money on a cycle path that most cyclists ignore anyway as they would rather cycle in the middle of the road, why not improve the roads and fill in the pot holes so the people who pay road tax, insurance tax, fuel duty, VAT on the fuel don't have to play avoid the big hole. And before some people moan at me, yes I am aware that most cyclists will also use a car and pay all of the above.[/p][/quote]Yes, Yes, Yes. You get my vote and the silly little so- and-so can't alter that. +100 bolero
  • Score: -35

1:34am Mon 5 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
RingoStarr wrote:
Woody G Mellor wrote: I see the disillusioned score adjuster is at it again. Bless.
Yes, you're absolutely right. I think it's called 'Vote Rigging' but, then again, he will know ALL about that! C'mon, saddo, give me -87
Aww. Ain't she sweet though. And big and clever too! We are so impressed little score adjuster. You are so clever!
It's a power trip, they get off on thinking that only their opinion counts, and their scoring means something?

What it means is, that they have nothing to contribute, have no power, and are insignificant, small minded and useless!
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RingoStarr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: I see the disillusioned score adjuster is at it again. Bless.[/p][/quote]Yes, you're absolutely right. I think it's called 'Vote Rigging' but, then again, he will know ALL about that! C'mon, saddo, give me -87[/p][/quote]Aww. Ain't she sweet though. And big and clever too! We are so impressed little score adjuster. You are so clever![/p][/quote]It's a power trip, they get off on thinking that only their opinion counts, and their scoring means something? What it means is, that they have nothing to contribute, have no power, and are insignificant, small minded and useless! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -17

3:24am Mon 5 May 14

Magicman! says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
As a Cyclist and now deprived on my bike (Stolen), think it time that the police got their "Shop" in order or these cycle thieves will have the time of their lives. As for Tour De Yorkshire, its a sad fact that most paths and dangerous, the lime (or what ever paint used last about 6 months rain and dissolves, Do any of the Political Parties remember Rowntrees, Terrys, Railway works at shift change, guess not
Indeed... and all Labour have done since they got in power is make cycling provision WORSE than before. The Lib Dems made use of what was dead roadspace on Water End for 75% of the time (due to the bulk of traffic wanting to use the right-hand lane for Water Lane or Bootham, thereby blocking access to the left-turn lane) - but because motorists saw this as an affront on "their road" they kicked up so much stink that Labour used it in order to win votes, and it is primarily that which is why Labour are the current council in York. The same council who now bumble along from one blunder to the next.

The cycle lanes on Huntington Road and North Moor Road are in a poor condition; but the simple fact is that they were not to the required standard when they first went in! The DfT states an on-road cycle lane should be at least 1.5m (150cm) wide, and yet on Huntington Road the cycle lane is only 50-60cm wide, and on North Moor Road it barely touches 40cm wide - that's not even the width of an actual bicycle!! Physical tests in a scientific study have proven that on a road with identical width and traffic levels, vehicle drivers allow more space and overtake cyclists more considerately when there IS NOT a painted cycle lane in place due to not enough roadspace being available... if a 150cm-200cm cycle lane can be put on the road, then go ahead - but if a substandard cycle lane is shoehorned in to some ridiculously small space then it is more dangerous than not having one in the first place.

And thatr's not even going in to how this council have changed priorities along Malton Road.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: As a Cyclist and now deprived on my bike (Stolen), think it time that the police got their "Shop" in order or these cycle thieves will have the time of their lives. As for Tour De Yorkshire, its a sad fact that most paths and dangerous, the lime (or what ever paint used last about 6 months rain and dissolves, Do any of the Political Parties remember Rowntrees, Terrys, Railway works at shift change, guess not[/p][/quote]Indeed... and all Labour have done since they got in power is make cycling provision WORSE than before. The Lib Dems made use of what was dead roadspace on Water End for 75% of the time (due to the bulk of traffic wanting to use the right-hand lane for Water Lane or Bootham, thereby blocking access to the left-turn lane) - but because motorists saw this as an affront on "their road" they kicked up so much stink that Labour used it in order to win votes, and it is primarily that which is why Labour are the current council in York. The same council who now bumble along from one blunder to the next. The cycle lanes on Huntington Road and North Moor Road are in a poor condition; but the simple fact is that they were not to the required standard when they first went in! The DfT states an on-road cycle lane should be at least 1.5m (150cm) wide, and yet on Huntington Road the cycle lane is only 50-60cm wide, and on North Moor Road it barely touches 40cm wide - that's not even the width of an actual bicycle!! Physical tests in a scientific study have proven that on a road with identical width and traffic levels, vehicle drivers allow more space and overtake cyclists more considerately when there IS NOT a painted cycle lane in place due to not enough roadspace being available... if a 150cm-200cm cycle lane can be put on the road, then go ahead - but if a substandard cycle lane is shoehorned in to some ridiculously small space then it is more dangerous than not having one in the first place. And thatr's not even going in to how this council have changed priorities along Malton Road. Magicman!
  • Score: 1

3:36am Mon 5 May 14

Magicman! says...

its-a-secret wrote:
Most Cycle paths are in better condition than the roads!

Rather than spend money on a cycle path that most cyclists ignore anyway as they would rather cycle in the middle of the road, why not improve the roads and fill in the pot holes so the people who pay road tax, insurance tax, fuel duty, VAT on the fuel don't have to play avoid the big hole.

And before some people moan at me, yes I am aware that most cyclists will also use a car and pay all of the above.
I am calling you on your first comment. Spend a week cycling in York and see if you still have the same view. Cycle the following routes:
Malton Road,
Huntington Road,
Huntington New Lane,
Huntington North Moor,
Haxby York Road,
James Street from Lawrence Street to Layerthorpe FOLLOWING the cycle route to the letter,
Tadcaster Road and The Mount (heading outbound from York), again following the cycle route to the letter,
Micklegate Bar,
The signed 'cycle route' from Wigginton Mill Lane to Clifton Moor and then to Nestle,
Crichton Avenue,
Fulford Road,
Beckfield Lane following the cycle route towards Acomb to the letter,
Cemetary Road, at 4.30pm heading towards Fulford Road,
Minster Plazza at 2pm on a saturday,
Riverside route from St Peters School to the city centre, following the signed directions which includes going over Scarborough rail bridge,

... if you cycle all those routes exactly as I have stated (when I state 'to the letter', this means if there are Give Way markings on the cycle lane surface, you come to a complete stop and look both ways before restarting your journey), you will see that cycle lanes in York are NOT in a better condition than the roads. No road in York would make you stop and give way to traffic coming out of the minor road for example. Go on, take the challenge and prove me wrong, I dare you!
[quote][p][bold]its-a-secret[/bold] wrote: Most Cycle paths are in better condition than the roads! Rather than spend money on a cycle path that most cyclists ignore anyway as they would rather cycle in the middle of the road, why not improve the roads and fill in the pot holes so the people who pay road tax, insurance tax, fuel duty, VAT on the fuel don't have to play avoid the big hole. And before some people moan at me, yes I am aware that most cyclists will also use a car and pay all of the above.[/p][/quote]I am calling you on your first comment. Spend a week cycling in York and see if you still have the same view. Cycle the following routes: Malton Road, Huntington Road, Huntington New Lane, Huntington North Moor, Haxby York Road, James Street from Lawrence Street to Layerthorpe FOLLOWING the cycle route to the letter, Tadcaster Road and The Mount (heading outbound from York), again following the cycle route to the letter, Micklegate Bar, The signed 'cycle route' from Wigginton Mill Lane to Clifton Moor and then to Nestle, Crichton Avenue, Fulford Road, Beckfield Lane following the cycle route towards Acomb to the letter, Cemetary Road, at 4.30pm heading towards Fulford Road, Minster Plazza at 2pm on a saturday, Riverside route from St Peters School to the city centre, following the signed directions which includes going over Scarborough rail bridge, ... if you cycle all those routes exactly as I have stated (when I state 'to the letter', this means if there are Give Way markings on the cycle lane surface, you come to a complete stop and look both ways before restarting your journey), you will see that cycle lanes in York are NOT in a better condition than the roads. No road in York would make you stop and give way to traffic coming out of the minor road for example. Go on, take the challenge and prove me wrong, I dare you! Magicman!
  • Score: -2

10:38am Mon 5 May 14

courier46 says...

Magicman! wrote:
Dave Ruddock wrote:
As a Cyclist and now deprived on my bike (Stolen), think it time that the police got their "Shop" in order or these cycle thieves will have the time of their lives. As for Tour De Yorkshire, its a sad fact that most paths and dangerous, the lime (or what ever paint used last about 6 months rain and dissolves, Do any of the Political Parties remember Rowntrees, Terrys, Railway works at shift change, guess not
Indeed... and all Labour have done since they got in power is make cycling provision WORSE than before. The Lib Dems made use of what was dead roadspace on Water End for 75% of the time (due to the bulk of traffic wanting to use the right-hand lane for Water Lane or Bootham, thereby blocking access to the left-turn lane) - but because motorists saw this as an affront on "their road" they kicked up so much stink that Labour used it in order to win votes, and it is primarily that which is why Labour are the current council in York. The same council who now bumble along from one blunder to the next.

The cycle lanes on Huntington Road and North Moor Road are in a poor condition; but the simple fact is that they were not to the required standard when they first went in! The DfT states an on-road cycle lane should be at least 1.5m (150cm) wide, and yet on Huntington Road the cycle lane is only 50-60cm wide, and on North Moor Road it barely touches 40cm wide - that's not even the width of an actual bicycle!! Physical tests in a scientific study have proven that on a road with identical width and traffic levels, vehicle drivers allow more space and overtake cyclists more considerately when there IS NOT a painted cycle lane in place due to not enough roadspace being available... if a 150cm-200cm cycle lane can be put on the road, then go ahead - but if a substandard cycle lane is shoehorned in to some ridiculously small space then it is more dangerous than not having one in the first place.

And thatr's not even going in to how this council have changed priorities along Malton Road.
I disagree with you ,the Water Lane farce should never have taken place and was changed back through common sense ,the huge queues that formed were a direct result of closing the left turn.
I also disagree why Labour got in,in my opinion is they got in because the Lib-dems went in with the Tories and lost a lot of support (3 votes in our house alone).I think that most parties are much the same and we have to pick the one who wont destroy York and waste the least money (this is why Labour have shot themselves in the foot and will be out next year)
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: As a Cyclist and now deprived on my bike (Stolen), think it time that the police got their "Shop" in order or these cycle thieves will have the time of their lives. As for Tour De Yorkshire, its a sad fact that most paths and dangerous, the lime (or what ever paint used last about 6 months rain and dissolves, Do any of the Political Parties remember Rowntrees, Terrys, Railway works at shift change, guess not[/p][/quote]Indeed... and all Labour have done since they got in power is make cycling provision WORSE than before. The Lib Dems made use of what was dead roadspace on Water End for 75% of the time (due to the bulk of traffic wanting to use the right-hand lane for Water Lane or Bootham, thereby blocking access to the left-turn lane) - but because motorists saw this as an affront on "their road" they kicked up so much stink that Labour used it in order to win votes, and it is primarily that which is why Labour are the current council in York. The same council who now bumble along from one blunder to the next. The cycle lanes on Huntington Road and North Moor Road are in a poor condition; but the simple fact is that they were not to the required standard when they first went in! The DfT states an on-road cycle lane should be at least 1.5m (150cm) wide, and yet on Huntington Road the cycle lane is only 50-60cm wide, and on North Moor Road it barely touches 40cm wide - that's not even the width of an actual bicycle!! Physical tests in a scientific study have proven that on a road with identical width and traffic levels, vehicle drivers allow more space and overtake cyclists more considerately when there IS NOT a painted cycle lane in place due to not enough roadspace being available... if a 150cm-200cm cycle lane can be put on the road, then go ahead - but if a substandard cycle lane is shoehorned in to some ridiculously small space then it is more dangerous than not having one in the first place. And thatr's not even going in to how this council have changed priorities along Malton Road.[/p][/quote]I disagree with you ,the Water Lane farce should never have taken place and was changed back through common sense ,the huge queues that formed were a direct result of closing the left turn. I also disagree why Labour got in,in my opinion is they got in because the Lib-dems went in with the Tories and lost a lot of support (3 votes in our house alone).I think that most parties are much the same and we have to pick the one who wont destroy York and waste the least money (this is why Labour have shot themselves in the foot and will be out next year) courier46
  • Score: 2

11:31am Mon 5 May 14

its-a-secret says...

Magicman! wrote:
its-a-secret wrote:
Most Cycle paths are in better condition than the roads!

Rather than spend money on a cycle path that most cyclists ignore anyway as they would rather cycle in the middle of the road, why not improve the roads and fill in the pot holes so the people who pay road tax, insurance tax, fuel duty, VAT on the fuel don't have to play avoid the big hole.

And before some people moan at me, yes I am aware that most cyclists will also use a car and pay all of the above.
I am calling you on your first comment. Spend a week cycling in York and see if you still have the same view. Cycle the following routes:
Malton Road,
Huntington Road,
Huntington New Lane,
Huntington North Moor,
Haxby York Road,
James Street from Lawrence Street to Layerthorpe FOLLOWING the cycle route to the letter,
Tadcaster Road and The Mount (heading outbound from York), again following the cycle route to the letter,
Micklegate Bar,
The signed 'cycle route' from Wigginton Mill Lane to Clifton Moor and then to Nestle,
Crichton Avenue,
Fulford Road,
Beckfield Lane following the cycle route towards Acomb to the letter,
Cemetary Road, at 4.30pm heading towards Fulford Road,
Minster Plazza at 2pm on a saturday,
Riverside route from St Peters School to the city centre, following the signed directions which includes going over Scarborough rail bridge,

... if you cycle all those routes exactly as I have stated (when I state 'to the letter', this means if there are Give Way markings on the cycle lane surface, you come to a complete stop and look both ways before restarting your journey), you will see that cycle lanes in York are NOT in a better condition than the roads. No road in York would make you stop and give way to traffic coming out of the minor road for example. Go on, take the challenge and prove me wrong, I dare you!
Give way only means that you have to slow down and be prepared to stop if there is traffic, if not then you may continue without stopping.

Plus I mentioned the word Most, this infers that I am aware that not all Cycle paths are in better condition.

York has got better cycle facilities than a lot of other towns and cities and yet some people still criticise and moan about them.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]its-a-secret[/bold] wrote: Most Cycle paths are in better condition than the roads! Rather than spend money on a cycle path that most cyclists ignore anyway as they would rather cycle in the middle of the road, why not improve the roads and fill in the pot holes so the people who pay road tax, insurance tax, fuel duty, VAT on the fuel don't have to play avoid the big hole. And before some people moan at me, yes I am aware that most cyclists will also use a car and pay all of the above.[/p][/quote]I am calling you on your first comment. Spend a week cycling in York and see if you still have the same view. Cycle the following routes: Malton Road, Huntington Road, Huntington New Lane, Huntington North Moor, Haxby York Road, James Street from Lawrence Street to Layerthorpe FOLLOWING the cycle route to the letter, Tadcaster Road and The Mount (heading outbound from York), again following the cycle route to the letter, Micklegate Bar, The signed 'cycle route' from Wigginton Mill Lane to Clifton Moor and then to Nestle, Crichton Avenue, Fulford Road, Beckfield Lane following the cycle route towards Acomb to the letter, Cemetary Road, at 4.30pm heading towards Fulford Road, Minster Plazza at 2pm on a saturday, Riverside route from St Peters School to the city centre, following the signed directions which includes going over Scarborough rail bridge, ... if you cycle all those routes exactly as I have stated (when I state 'to the letter', this means if there are Give Way markings on the cycle lane surface, you come to a complete stop and look both ways before restarting your journey), you will see that cycle lanes in York are NOT in a better condition than the roads. No road in York would make you stop and give way to traffic coming out of the minor road for example. Go on, take the challenge and prove me wrong, I dare you![/p][/quote]Give way only means that you have to slow down and be prepared to stop if there is traffic, if not then you may continue without stopping. Plus I mentioned the word Most, this infers that I am aware that not all Cycle paths are in better condition. York has got better cycle facilities than a lot of other towns and cities and yet some people still criticise and moan about them. its-a-secret
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12:44pm Mon 5 May 14

Sign 'O' The Times says...

its-a-secret wrote:
Most Cycle paths are in better condition than the roads!

Rather than spend money on a cycle path that most cyclists ignore anyway as they would rather cycle in the middle of the road, why not improve the roads and fill in the pot holes so the people who pay road tax, insurance tax, fuel duty, VAT on the fuel don't have to play avoid the big hole.

And before some people moan at me, yes I am aware that most cyclists will also use a car and pay all of the above.
There is no such thing as road tax. What you pay is vehicle excise duty. Also, none of the things you mention pay for road maintenance, that is paid from council tax, so we all pay it whether you are a motorist, cyclist or pedestrian.
[quote][p][bold]its-a-secret[/bold] wrote: Most Cycle paths are in better condition than the roads! Rather than spend money on a cycle path that most cyclists ignore anyway as they would rather cycle in the middle of the road, why not improve the roads and fill in the pot holes so the people who pay road tax, insurance tax, fuel duty, VAT on the fuel don't have to play avoid the big hole. And before some people moan at me, yes I am aware that most cyclists will also use a car and pay all of the above.[/p][/quote]There is no such thing as road tax. What you pay is vehicle excise duty. Also, none of the things you mention pay for road maintenance, that is paid from council tax, so we all pay it whether you are a motorist, cyclist or pedestrian. Sign 'O' The Times
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